/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>exploiting fan works
As expected from lazy company, watch it gonna flop

>62615920
good bait. watch people still fall for it even after i point it out

>>62615851

Wait, so if I read that correctly, game creators can now monetize their hololive fangames on steam? Does Cover get a cut?

now you can submit your game in a program and it will be put on steam under hololive brand

Shit. They really are 2hu2

This is literally all just for the sake of getting money out of Holocure isn't it?

>exploiting fan
BASED

HOLOLIVE ONLY GROWS STRONGER

>>62615977
There's no mention of royalties anywhere. I guess as long as you are an independent fan creator they won't mess with you

>>62615851
Fans can get money from their passion (and hololive too, like always).

Actually no downsides here.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2647230/HoloParade/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2647230/HoloParade/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2647230/HoloParade/

>>62615920
>people were making Hololive fan games pro bono
>they can now make money from them
>nijifags will paint this as a bad thing
It's not Cover's fault that people don't give enough of a shit about your organs to make good fan games

Black company for exploiting fans

>>62615851
Cool, it's a win-win for both Hololive and the game developers.

>ITT : seething blacksanji

>>62615851
Yea it's going to flop, nobody want this lmao

This is actually insane, no other company would be so lenient. Hololive really didn't forget it's' roots

>>62616081
BUY BUY BUY

>>62615920
>>62616029
>>62616123
Low IQ people shouldn't be allowed to post on this board.

>>62616081
>>62616177
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH IT LOOKS LIKE DOGSHIT

>>62616000
Now that you mention it, it really does follow 2hu model, but with more support I guess

Being published on Steam officially should give developers more popularity and security.

It's not precisely the same, but thank you for the precedent 2hu.

>>62615851
Oh fuck I hope Spacey Bat hears about this and applies for Chrono Gear to get into this. SK Jynx with their Mumei fangame too. Love me some platformers.

>>62616150
>>62615920
>>62616029
>>62616123
>>62616210

Ahahahahahaha this game HoloParade is so ugly, am I right fellow nijisis? They wish they had made a magnificent game like our MegaMan fangame!

https://twitter.com/HoloCureGame/status/1724704436562608345

Seems dumb but whatever you want, I guess.

>>62616123
I'm betting even fans get more than 2%

>>62615920
They're literally allowing fandevs to profit of their fangames. How is this a bad thing?

This is a retarded move for Cover if they want to protect their IP. Giving people a platform to make derivative works will actually cut your profits by a lot which means the company gets less money.
Everybody shits on Anycolor but them protecting their ip by stomping on derivative works such as fan games actually is a smarter move since it means less money for non Anycolor products.

>>62616002
LMAO https://twitter.com/HoloCureGame/status/1724704436562608345

Any more rrats sister?

>>62616382
If you want to make money from holo games it became easier, that's pretty much all.

>>62615851
Hololive is the next 2hu.

>>62616431
If you took 2 minutes to read you'd understand that's exactly what they're doing. You have to go through them to publish your monetized works

>>62616431
This actually gives everyone even more reason to shit on Anycolor. Hell, Anycolor not doing it this way makes them the retards here.

>>62616490
I did read it which is why i said its retarded. Giving leeches a platform while you get little to no profit out of it will only serve to destroy your company in the long run.
>>62616504
Anycolor not doing it is actually more logical since they dont have to share any of the profits which in turn means more money and support for their employees.

>>62616431
You are talking like a Japanese company right now, stop being retarded.

>Cover does something genuinely great
>Niji corpodrones come in droves to shit on it
And you faggots have the gall to complain about "muh tribalism".

>>62616626
>Holodrones think cover being retards with their ip is doing something great.
Maybe its you who needs to stop with the tribalism anon and call out their retardation for what it is.

>>62616569
What's this about?

Niji can't have good fan games?? Damn that's sad

>Cover does a massive positive move for the community
>Sisters panic and shit themselves
Every time.

>>62616569
>Anycolor not doing it is actually more logical since they dont have to share any of the profits which in turn means more money and support for their employees.
What money and profit? Fangames aren't allowed to be monetized under Anycolors guidelines. Thus there isn't any money being spent, nor any cut to take.

>>62616665
Kurosanji looking blacker by the day. They just can't stand it.

>>62616666
Nijifag literally seething that cover let their fans make money

>>62616650
Imagine being so mindbroken you literally block out reality, you're not monetizing shit if they don't give you the kosher stamp

>>62616666
Its what Cover needs to do instead of being retards and giving them platforms.

>>62616693
Well, good thing you're not in charge then if you consider that a better move than this.

>>62616693
Actual retard kek

>>62616665
no one on /vt/ actually reads the document. it's as bad as reddit where a bunch of anons just look at the headlight make up assumptions that fit their world view and then meme about it.

>>62616693
This style of governance (from Cover) is the primary reason for South Korea's wealth.

The best part about this besides the possibility of monetization for indie Holo games is that Cover will be quality-checking the games through that application process. Nothing will get through without their blessing. And if indies just want to put their game out on Steam or otherwise, they can just do that by following the guidelines and keeping it free to play. Brilliant.

>>62616616
Except Japanese companies allow the doujin market to exist making him dumber than them

>>62615851
This is a win win for both fans who make fanworks and Hololive. This is nothing but positive and something other companies should strive for.
>>62615920
Only a nijifag would try to paint fans being able to make money with their fanworks as a bad thing.

Been looking through Holofangames. The Kronii fangame Chrono Gear looks like a pretty fun Metroidvania and the sprite and animation quality is nice but man it's such a goddamn shame that the devs had to shoehorn in homo references even with the ones Kronii never even interacted with.
https://twitter.com/ChronoGearDev/status/1720259046240829455

The Smol Ame dev I completely forgot has been making fan games still (made the Boom Boom Hakotaro game and Beeg Sana). Currently making an Advent game called "Age of Advent" which is a mashup of different minigames in one. Nothing all that impressive as it's just simple games like snake and candy crush but with a very stylized Advent skin over it all (also good lord he is a massive Bettel fan).
https://twitter.com/KevinCow/status/1719876381188755799

Elite Exorcist Miko (bullet hell game) is shaping up to be promising. The total amount of bosses currently is around 11 or so of the Holo girls both JP and EN currently. Could be a really fun boss rush game plus the ZUNpet style remixes are great.
https://twitter.com/tiannya_/status/1718054277149577712

For Holocure I actually found one of the new programming devs that Kay Yu brought on board. The person is another Holofangame dev.
https://twitter.com/zkfie/status/1718162434966290805

Found a Korean dev whose currently making what appears to be a 3D Gura beat em up platformer. Looks pretty charming and feels reminiscent of "A Hat in Time".
https://twitter.com/kennyparkpark/status/1533659843986264064
https://twitter.com/kennyparkpark/status/1711065222411338086

New 2D platformer game in the works featuring HoloEN and HoloJP (Sora and Gura currently shown off). Kinda reminds of Scribblenauts.
https://twitter.com/Gumi_772/status/1716597798542438580
https://twitter.com/Gumi_772/status/1721070627103064363

HoloEN Halloween based game that features 5 playable minigames. Primarily Myth based. Looks like a pretty fun time waster, minigames are a chemistry mixing game with Ina, stealth assassination based game with Kiara, horror corridor runner (think Dark Deception essentially) with Mori, FPS wave survival with Ame, and Kaiju destruction mode with Gura.
https://twitter.com/monamiralgames/status/1714698640214659433

Mumei based side scroller puzzle? game based on her "mumei" music video. Reminiscent of Limbo.
https://twitter.com/SK_Jynx/status/1714610440712462702
https://twitter.com/SK_Jynx/status/1712731834813976675

Final Stage of Nui Nui Quest (high quality Megaman like) is being worked on which should rap up possibly the final update.
https://twitter.com/sulpx/status/1720853026745839634

Holotrials an Ace Attorney VN style+side scroller is looking promising. Primarily features HoloEN members sprite work and animations look well done.
https://twitter.com/HoloTrials/status/1707584025257504989

Holotyping Advent Update. Typing of the Dead like game but more like a visual novel. Presentation is very good.
https://twitter.com/zeth_total/status/1698619966138843194

Game being made by the developer of Nui Nui Quest Holosurvivors is a survival “battle royale” strategy game with what appears to be TTRPG like dice mechanics. Possible multiplayer.
https://twitter.com/sulpx/status/1665507197738971142
https://twitter.com/sulpx/status/1665528423941394432

The Parking Lot is a beat em up style game such as River City Girls and Streets of Range. You primarily play as Mori or a deadbeat. Sprite work is nice and combat looks good looks pretty reminiscent of Scott Pilgrim.
https://twitter.com/makadoods/status/1651789342673866760

Very fast pace Metroidvania like game. Best game I could compare this to is Hollowknight and Touhou Lunar Nights. Developer has been pretty silent about it since it’s reveal however they are still active and frequently make pixel art and animations.
https://twitter.com/downvote_me/status/1605109051683004417

>>62615851
THIS is why I sticked with hololive,
0 yabs and dramas for weeks/months, and now even the fans are winning.

Hololive really does only grows strongers, and you can tell from some of the anons here who're trying so hard to make this news look bad lmao.

Nijifags, just give up already.
You, LOSE.

>>62616431
>Giving people a platform to make derivative works will actually cut your profits by a lot which means the company gets less money.
Explain how, do you think someone is gonna throw a few dollars at an indie game and then decide not to send that red supa?

>>62616734
>Cover good
>Nijisanji bad
i dont need to read it when nijisanji drones here already read it and seethe for us holochads

Can you still ignore those guidelines if you don't care about money?

>>62616912
Yes, that's what holocure dev said.

>>62616923
Good to hear then

https://twitter.com/tiannya_/status/1724701418311856171
YES
YES
YES

>>62615851
How I wish Anykara would do this kind of thing

>>62616734
Not sure if that is supposed to be a poke at me or at sisters? I've read it and I see nothing negative about this move. The community gets the possibility of some monetization for their creations and Cover gets the possibility to control what that are sanctioned. Do you think a game that's promoted by cover has a better spread than one that's done outside of this project?

>>62616912
It's basically just an official way to Monetize hololive fangames

>>62616912
You can't ignore the derivative fanwork guidelines at all even before this. If you did Cover has all the means to exercise their IP rights.

>>62616963
It's a poke at the nijiniggers yes

>>62616910
based holoGOD

>>62616912
Ignore is a strong term. If you release a game that break the spirit of the guidelines they might try to come after you.
As in, the game hurts Cover/Hololive/Talents reputation, image etc.
But you wont need to register to the Holo Indie thing just to make a game.

>>62616880
holy based THATS A LOT OF EM
the kronii issue with homo in the game, in which i dont mind but others can just not playing it anyway.

I thought it was just trolling but I refuse to believe nijidrones are mentally deluded enough to see any negative in this

>>62616963
>Not sure if that is supposed to be a poke at me or at sisters?
it's not. it's a jab at all the retards online who never actually read the article for anything that's posted. twitter, reddit, 4chan it's all the same. no one cares to actually read they just make shit up based on assumptions and whosever side they are on at the time.

>>62617030
Why do you think we call them nijiniggers?

>>62616984
>>62617013
I can still release the game and then update it through torrents or something
Doubt they'll bother with that (even if it also hurts the potential playerbase of my fangame)

>>62616431
You're not going to get a ride on the golden yacht anon

>>62617029
Dev's a dramafag watching furry. There's more than one issue here aside from the homos alone.

>>62617092
That might actually break steam guidelines.

>>62617156
NIJISEETHE

>>62617092
Why not just release like normal if there's nothing to be flagged in your game.

>>62617182
Don't worry Bat, I'm not gonna harass you. I just won't play your shit. You're fucking gay for being a furry though. And for being a homobeggar.

https://softdevwu.dev/hologames/index.php

Here are all hololive fangames if anons want

>>62615920
Nijiseether, you are not allowed to bitch unless you actually have a burgeoning fan game scene to begin with. Turns out Chinese yumes only know how to send death threats instead of actually appreciate the group / company.

>>62617208
Porn probably

>>62617030
>but I refuse to believe nijidrones are mentally deluded enough to see any negative in this
They're drones so of course they see negatives in it. Their company doesn't do it and in fact cracks down on derivative works. Therefore it's negative to them that Cover not only allows derivative works but even actively encourages fans and creators to create derivative works, and of course it's also negative to them that Cover are making it so creators can now even profit from said works.
Nijidrones will be nijidrones.

>>62617170
I mean in case it does get shut down by Cover
Also I wasn't thinking about Steam for initial hosting, more like itch.io or DLsite

>>62617224
In that case steam is probably not a good idea for a platform

>>62617251
Itch.io is good one

>>62617214
>25 games per page
>18 pages.
>450 fangames.
Jesas...

>>62617296
Most are mediocre and copies but the number are still very outstanding.

>>62616431
>>62616569
>smartest nijinigger

>>62617251
Then you don't go throigh holo indie anyway because it's only for steam.
So everything is exactly as before for you.

This Holo Parade thing looks like it came straight out of the gacha kusoge conveyor. The UI, the graphics, the gameplay, - everything here just screams gacha design.
I sure fucking hope Cover isn't going to headline their indie game program with an actual skinner box bullshit. It took Touhou decades until Lost Word and Cannonball came in.

I should stop being a brainlet and finally figure out some game engine to work on my Holo Diablo clone then.

>>62615851
It's basic what Scott Cawthon made with the FNAF fangames when he created the Fanverse.
And also looks like isn't closed only for fangames, but bigger indie devs can enter in that thing too.

So, looks like a mix of FNAF Fanverse and Riot Forge

>>62617398
This is basically reskin of battle cat right?

>>62617156
Eh, bad people can make good games. High probability of some stupid message being part of the game but as long as the mechanics and visuals are good it will probably be worth it.

>>62617398
It would have been Holocure but Kay Yu said no.

>>62617398
It's made by an indie dev my guy, literally a fan game also it's like 3 dollars

>>62617440
I for one don't mind the homo if it's engaging and interesting enough.

>>62617398
I doubt they will allow microtransactions in holoindie because that would actually compete with their own income.

>>62617398
The first Hologame that came into a wide public eye are Holocure and Idol showdown so I say they're good.

>>62616880
That's a lot of games holy shit.

>>62615851
I didn't think we would see this day coming but Hololive is a direct competition of touhou now this is insane.

>>62616382
Eh, it definitely seems like a case where holo indie couldn't offer anything to draw in Kay Yu's interest. I recall him talking about being in discussions with Cover, I guess this is what those talks were about.
It definitely sucks from Cover's perspective because they have to start off with a game with little or no pre-existing notoriety now.

>>62617156
Damn that's a nice chuuba model they have, though. I'm playing that game too, it looks too good to pass up.

The only downside I can see to this move is if they let too many copy-cat games through, even if those are free to play. As in a pure reskin with 0 innovation at all of something that already exists. That might cause the original games to remove/deny permissions for their games if they feel the existence of the holo-clone (lack of a better word) hurts their own game.

>>62616431
Anon we have all seen the staggering different between the 2 brands here, with the anime and gaming market growing indefinitely this opens many possibilities for hololive.
Anycolour will be left in dust, money is only relevent until a certain point becoming a force of culture trumps monitary value.

>>62617716
YAGOO =ZUN
discuss

>>62617843
this poster was slightly ahead of his time

>imagine being memoryholed literally by everyone

>>62617817
Which I doubt would go through, japs are very strict on copyright and cover would prob not accept reskin games if they're smart

>>62617817
They literally can't do anything about it, nobody can own the concept of a game as long as they are using original assets it is it's own game.
The people might call it a copycat or whatever but its a game made by 3 dudes with their own funds, indie game developers are well respected.

>>62617843
Alexa, play Sad Shiny Smily Story with rain sfx

>>62617901
Cover has shown to be very different from a Japanese company, this much is clear they understand the market and the importance of talents and community, they have been leniant with everything this attitude is what will make them reach great heights.

it's going to be like that meme
>thing
>thing, Japan
but
>game
>hololive game

>>62617961
If hololive will reaching the absolute level that anime has reached then i can only call it a crushing win.

>>62617961
I mean it depends on the game, people already do that for Holocure when compared to Vampire Survivors

We (I) need more cultural games

>>62617958
Give us the gacha game already, Cover you dumb fags.

>>62617961
If you're an indie dev, why make a game that gets 2downloads when you can make game, hololive that gets thousands? You just have to put in funny anime girls.

>>62618022
If all fangames can be like what holocure was to vampire survivors we're eating really good

>>62618081
That's a stupid mindset

>>62617734
Yeah it 100% was about holocure but something went wrong

>>62616382
Kay Yu has said many times over we wants no monetization at all for this game, he doesnt even accept donations.

>>62617910
I think you misunderstand me, ofc they can't do anything legal about it. But they can for sure redact any permission they've previously given to cover to show case the game. Here, I'll make an extreme example. Someone makes a Hololive Mario kart clone, one that is solid enough that it gets traction to a larger audience. It wont be bound by any tos for Nintendo games, tournaments aren't restrictive etc. It becomes so popular that it spreads outside of just the holo audience. The extreme response from Nintendo would be to deny any permissions to Cover for future games and remove any of the existing ones, if they felt that the approved clone game "hurts" them, regardless of that being true or not.
But I admit, it's an extreme hypothetical.

>>62618061
They have explicitly implies that hologatcha will never be a thing, closest thing you will get is holoearth.
They arnt going to tie their brand with gambling it seems like management is very against it.

>>62618128
Nothing went wrong, kay yu just doesn't want holocure to be monetized

>>62618161
Stockholders seemed to want it, sucks that yagoo is still ceo lol

>>62618149
Yeah it is a very extreme case, still i doubt any developer would ruin their relationship with dozens of biggest streamers in japan over this (not that it matters they already don't have perms for any chink games) and this project most definitely won't produce anything that can undercut a big game.

>>62616431

Hahaha and the nijibootlicker shows itself

>>62615920
Stop blabbering before i chew off your face nijinigger.

>>62616382
I don't speak lawyer can someone explain how this works?
>We will not publish (Holocure) under Holo Indie
But Cover's terms say
>Only game creators who use the “Game Creator Support Program” as outlined below will be permitted to create fan made (also known as “doujinshi”) games under a corporation’s or circle’s name.
>Under the “Game Creator Support Program”, derivative work games will be published on Steam using the “holo Indie” game brand.

Is it because Holocure isn't made by a corpo or circle?

>Please refrain from creating derivative works that fall under the following categories:
>Content that includes matters pertaining to any particular ideology, belief, religion, or politics
Based.

>>62618248
If we got what stockholders want then the company will unironically crumble, they also want to give less money to talents.

>>62618266
I think they will just need to put the brand name on the title screen or something.

Holy fuck that's awesome
I remember lurking the comiket /jp/ threads for not just music but touhou doujin games too, most weren't great but a lot were fun to play once or twice, and occasionally you'd get ones like Age of Ethanols

>>62618266
Maybe it means other corpos can't publish them?

>>62618256
*cough* Konami. How long did it take for them to reconsider? 3 years?
Regardless, as I said, this is the only potential bad outcome of this announcement and I agree that it is highly unlikely to happen all.

>>62618266
You probably can't put "Hololive" in the title without publishing under Cover. How ironic that the brand they use for publishing games is called "indie", a term that means not using a publisher.
So stuff like "Idol Showdown" or "Pebble Jame" would be fine, but a hypothetical "Hololive Fortress 2, featuring Dante from Devil May Cry series" wouldn't fly.

>>62618248
NIJISEETHE

>>62618266
It's because kay yu's team is bunch of indie devs and holocure itself is really just a hobby of a bunch of holoweeb

>>62618430
What's the difference between this and a doujin circle?

>>62618402
What

>>62617900
If they are selling it, they cannot include fired characters, technically they can since Cover owns the IP, but fans won't be happy about that unless there is explicit permission and a share of the revenue with Mike, who knows if cover is willing to go through tall of that.

>>62618266
If you want monetize game -> holo published
If you just make a passion project (or fucking around) -> self publishing
Just remember. Second option is free shiping

>>62618266
It's like yugioh when reading cards
>to create
Meaning future creation of fanmade games must be under "Game Creator Support Program". Since Holocure is already created and established, this is exempted from the above rules.

>>62618457
>>62618485

>>62618466
Only a nijisnicker would seethe at Yahoo still being CEO.

>>62616382
>Seems dumb
Because you're a poorfag who can't fathom the concept of turning down money. Kay Yu does not want his project to go corporate. It's really that simple. It's a fan game entirely from passion so he's not taking any money for it.
>62616431
>retard
That's not how it works. Stop talking as if you have any clue about business. Cover has done nothing to push into the gaming market aside from signing off on a few crossovers with gachas. This is only going to help Hololive.

>>62618541
I was mocking the stockholders tho

>>62618541
Nah
Unicornfag would want YAGOO to go away as well

>>62618402
KEK

>>62617251
Anon what the fuck is wrong with you? This is a good way to get permanently banned from steam. Is having your Holo porn game visible on steam, which has been shit for discoverability ever since the floodgates opened, really worth shutting yourself out of future publication?

>>62618571
Ah, well. Friendly fire then.

>>62618266
> なお、後述の「ゲームクリエイター・サポートプログラム」をご利用いただく二次創作ゲームクリエイターに限り、法人やサークル名義による同人活動であっても差し支えございません。
> Please note that as long as you are a derivative game creator who uses the "Game Creator Support Program" described below, there is no problem even if your doujin activities are carried out under the name of a corporation or circle.
But their official EN translation says -
> Only game creators who use the “Game Creator Support Program” as outlined below will be permitted to create fan made (also known as “doujinshi”) games under a corporation’s or circle’s name.

This looks like a translation fuckup

>>62618669
Yeah, it's more likely a mistranslation otherwise there'll be no more fan games lol

>>62618602
No, we don't. Yagoosan is the otousan, so he's acceptable.

>>62618669
>fan made (also known as “doujinshi”)
by itself is a mistake of doujin vs doujinshi so yeah looks like a mistake in the translation

>>62617398
>I sure fucking hope Cover isn't going to headline their indie game program with an actual skinner box bullshit.
There's nothing inherently wrong with skinner box design. HoloCure and the "survivorlike" genre in general are skinner box as fuck. It says right in the trailer that all gacha is in-game currency only just like HoloCure's gacha.

You don't have to like it. That's clearly just a casual game meant for casuals(read: most of Hololive.)

>>62616431
t.

>>62618669

>>62618854
Still needs to plate that yatch golden

>>62616431
is this a copypasta?
+1 row for the copelist (sourgraping)

>>62615920
t.

>>62617734
Nigga kay literally said from the very beginning he didnt AND doesnt want to make money from holocure. He dont even accept dono and shit like that even tho the fans were insisted. Stop listening to the voices in your head

>>62618988
I know, so I didn't write about it?

>>62618248
I hope to god A-chan will succeed yagoo as the next CEO when the time comes

>>62619059
what's her stance on cutting off the homos

>>62616123
You should stop using terms whose meanings you do not know. It merely makes you a clown.

>>62619089
Sadly.. she is a saviotfag like yagoo..

>>62619112
But nijiniggers are clowns tho?

>>62618876
You mean silver

isn't the holocure dev a professional animator in the anime industry? if so, it seems pretty clear to me, he probably burned out on his main passion after turning it into a job, and would rather not see it happen again.
I've seen it happen a few times but with gaming. OMG I LOVE GAMING -> BECOME GAME DEVELOPER -> I NOW HATE GAMING AND HATE MYSELF

>>62619229
The best way to ruin what you enjoy is to turn it into work

time to make my dating sim...

>>62619336
can you PLEASE include Towa?

>>62619229
>isn't the holocure dev a professional animator in the anime industry? if so, it seems pretty clear to me, he probably burned out on his main passion after turning it into a job,
Yes he's a professional animator no he hasn't burned out on it. Kay Yu has lamented numerous times that all the time spent on HoloCure isn't time spent drawing/animating titties. He is a man of culture but he's just that passionate about this project.

>>62617030
it makes them look very VERY bad, so obviously they need to find some way to cope

>>62619229
>>62619329
fyi its more of his failure. some passions can't be forced into a job at such levels of inexperience. if you try to be a indie game dev as a job for example, of course you're gonna be a miserable fuck minmaxing marketing strats and scrutinizing bullshit stats

>>62615851
as has been said previously, this is just an audition for fan game devs.

>>62617398
aesthetics are what they are, but there's no microtransaction bullshit
just in-game gacha like how holocure does it

>>62616880
>every single fan game dev is western
Why are japs so lazy?

>>62618469
Fans will be happy to see Rushia in Holocure.

>>62618401
> but a hypothetical "Hololive Fortress 2, featuring Dante from Devil May Cry series" wouldn't fly
Well duh, you already violate 2 ip under fanwork guideline.

>>62615851

I'm retarded.
How does Cover financially profit from any of this?

>>62619699
free and effective ads

>>62619699
By getting a cut from it? Do you think they are publishing games for free?

>>62619649
You jelly?

>>62619699
How does ZUN profit from allowing people to do whatever the fuck they want with Touhou? Free marketing.

>>62617398
That's already impressive for a game made by one guy in his free time. The graphics and UI can use a polish for sure but considering all of the sprites are made by one guy that's already impressive enough. Polishing the graphics can come later.

>>62619699
free marketing

>>62619649
nijiseethe

>>62619840
The graphics are fine. It's the animations that make it seem like a mobile game and good animation is time consuming/expensive as fuck. It's extremely unlikely they'll improve the animations at all.

>>62616880
I want a first person holo dungeon crawler like etrian, mary skelter, dungeon travellers, etc.

I want a holo senran PBS too.

>>62619699
>getting some cut as a publisher
>effectively free marketing for a small fee
>potentially infinite content for holomems which brings back to more eyes to the indie game which generates more profit

The biggest issue right now is the quality of the games that they're going to publish.

>>62619699
free mindshare

>>62619699
infinite nijiseethe

>>62615920
How many fan games does Niji have?

>>62620206
doesn't matter how many, they have the biggest one, suica game

>>62620206
You're not supposed to point that out...

>>62619946
Be the change you want to see

>>62620268
Holo is more well known for suica game though

>>62620372
This, there is even a ホロ の スイカ , I don't recall a Niji no Suika

>>62615970 (me)
like fucking clockwork

>>62619946

hey

working on something else at the moment though

>>62619059
A-chan is already the real brain while Yagoo is the funny ceo man used as public face.

>>62620589
Based Homoenjoyer

>>62620589
I know nothing about homostars but I'll play your game

>>62615920
How's the mgs collab going, pomu?

>>62616368
So can we group bugmen and Nijinaggers together at this point? They feel equally delusional.

>>62615920
Fpbp

>>62615920
Shitty game from exploitation of the fans. Holo is turning into zhang unironically

>>62616081
Buy an ad

>>62618248
>sucks that Yagoo is still CEO
Reminder that a stockholder asked Yagoo to cut talent appearance fees so that the shareholders could get more returns.
Yagoo only replied "No" and went to the next question.
Nijiniggers deserve no quarter and stockholders deserve no executive power.

>>62618248
Spoken like a true nijifag

>>62616880
I'm most excited for ChronoGear and Elite Exorcist Miko. Although multiple games on your list legit look good.

>>62616431
Hana fingering video is so mid, anon

>>62619089
YAGOO, A-chan and Sora are the core of the company and share ideals.

>>62618248
Someone proposed private irl meetings with the girls in a stockholder meeting once. Their opinions are worthless.

>>62620589
make sure you put, F.O.E in and i'll give your efforts a look

>>62620206
A fair amount actually

>>62615920
Holo can't stop winning and nijikeks won't ever recover

>>62618248
>Mr CEO the stockholders have come to a unanimous decision to cut talent earnings for our benefit.
Yagoo: No, you will not take a cut from our talents
Riku: No, Not unless I get a cut from MY talents

>>62621808
Anon you're reading vt shitposts again, their suggestion was stockholder exclusive merch

>>62616880
You missed one. Delivering Hope: https://david-wu-softdev.itch.io/delivering-hope-hololive-fangame

>>62619591
I think nips are afraid of making game because of the shitty japanese game copyright system.
With this announcement, they finally know that as long they follow cover procedure, they would be fucked by stupid law.

>>62619967
I think this lets them check quality and what kind game it is. They are not going let people publish NSFW games of hololive members

>>62619591
Eh there's holosuika

QRD? how is cover making money from this and how is it helping fans?
Is it good? bad?

>>62619699
By making hololive market bigger.
Like what other anon says, touhou market is that big because fans make it that big.

>>62622891
Money is actually not the main point of holo indie.
The main point is keeping the hololive fanbase flourish.

>>62622891
Cover either makes a small profit from the game or they get free mindshare because of the games instead of money.
It is helping fans who want to monetize their games and if you want creative control of your game just do like usual and release it for free.

More fan games,devs make money and hololive popularity grows you tell me if it is good or bad

ah nice. i can see people avoiding development when they had to do it for free. it's a win for devs because they get an instant fan base. and cover encourages games they approve of giving them an official platform.

>>62623441
Though Cover will control all the shit you put in your game so even if your game makes it on steam, any future patches and updates will need management OK.

So no making a wholesome Hololive visual novel, then deciding to patch in erotic CGs and voice acting later.

>>62623830
That's what unofficial patches and plausible deniability is for

>>62618061
>>62618161
based, fuck gacha and fuck gachafags

>>62623830
>So no making a wholesome Hololive visual novel, then deciding to patch in erotic CGs and voice acting later.
That's... the point of their publisher supervision? What would be the purpose of their guidelines and screening if you could just circumvent that and add any kind of bullshit in a patch? Yeah, you'll have to wait for some bureaucracy to patch your game, but that is a pretty negligible tradeoff for having the official blue dorito seal of approval on your game.

just like with holocure and that holofighter games, this will just bring forward the bedroom indies to make great games and promote hololive.
im only guessing because i never read through it, but maybe there's a possibility that a holo game can make it onto Nintendo which would be an even bigger mindshare to have.
but i guess shaking hands with them will be impossible for now

So they dropped HoloEarth because it was a fucking mess and decide to get a cut of indies games?

Smart move, holoearth was going no where

>>62624536
so true sister

>>62624536
>So they dropped
No, how did you even come to that conclusion?

>>62624591
>Nijinigger logic

>>62624442
Yagoo used to work on nintendo.
So, it's not impossible thing to happen.

>>62624536
Just because nothing came out of LieVerse doesn't mean they dropped HoloEarth sister.

>>62624588
>>62624623
holyshit, what is wrong with you, truly a retard from reddit

>>62624591
Because they decided to support indies games developers, and focus more on other things, it's pretty normal to assume that holoearth will take a while to develop and that they will try to recruit indie developers that are doing good under their new project.

Pretty smart, honestly, I don't know why they didn't do it before, I hope we get more good games.

>>62624807
so true sis

>>62617716
Dunno if I'd call it competition, per se

>>62624591
NTA but they did already have a form for creators interested in contributing media, including games, to the Hololive Alternative brand, which Holoearth is part of. They haven't "dropped" anything there though, so I assume that one has harsher guidelines for following official lore and/or is intended for developers of bigger scale with prior experience.

>>62624864
I don't want to be associated with retards like you, go back to discord.

>>62622137
Visual novels aren't games.

>>62625006
tell chillas that. no really, please.

>>62624807
You're retarded.

>>62618541
What flavor would a niji snicker taste like? I don't imagine it would taste very good.

>>62624807
do nijiniggers really?

>>62624987
Don't shitpost with my wife.

>>62625139
2% sugar
98% flours

>>62624536
oh thanks for the reminder. didnt even realize i didnt have the newest patch of holoearth instaled

>>62620589
I fucking love dungeon crawlers and I will play your game despite not watching these guys

>>62625380
Can you change holoearth language?

>>62624536
Honestly I'm fine if they just turn HoloEarth into glorified concert watching app (maybe with VR support) with minigames akin to Fall Guys but with holomems / holomem mascots

>>62615920
sadly falseflagging like this works unexpectedly good for anon nowadays

>>62625443
Japanese only but you don't need to understand anything for their alpha tests

>>62624536
Would if awesome if they support mods. Like dota

>>62625443
There's a language setting for the system menus. Game contents are not translated.

>>62616431
>cover making a move that will provide more power to their fans but reduce profits
>even if its true, its a good thing for the company in the long term.
>anon thinks this is bad

>>62625443
only for the system menu

>publish your game through Cover, under the Hololive brand
>they still ask you for perms to play your game, because they're scared they might sue themselves

>>62625443
You can, but only for system menu

>>62625861
Can you even blame them?
Last month a japanese streamer went to prison for 2 years because he didn't have permission.

>>62617398
anon its a fangame made by one guy..

>>62619699
the touhou way,
>ZUN makes good games
>fans make insane amounts of fanmade stuff
>free marketing, more people get into the game.
>???
>PROFIT!!

>>62625755
>hololive moba
imagine that, is there a warcraft 3 moba map with hololive yet?

>>62626212
I would, I would also like a Smash clone with Hololive too while we're at it

>>62626116
In 2hu's case most people do not get into the game and sometimes don't even know about it.

>>62616386
If its monetized, you aren't a fandev making a fangame. You're just a dev who slapped on some hololive sprites to make some extra bucks.

>>62625967
Anon, Cave Story was made by one guy in his free time from college life and later on software work
Iconoclasts was made by one guy in his free time from making Noitu Love games
There are a bunch of great games made by "one guy", both freeware and not

>>62626473
Both those games took more years than Hololive has even existed

>>62626442
And that is bad because?

I am confused, am I supposed to seethe about this or not?

>>62626442
I fail to see the problem

>>62624807
Fucking retard

How hard is it to publish a game on steam?

>>62626805
100 bones

>>62626291
A majority of the hololive "fandom" are secondaries that only watch clips anyway.

>>62626805
Pretty easy, you just need to pay 100$ per game

>>62626537
Because they were made in free time with no additional income and devs cared about the quality of ending result

>>62615977
i think it'd be an agreement between cover and the dev, on how they should price the game and what percentage should they take each other.

>>62615851
>No guidelines for non-Vidya games
Guess I'll just keep working on my vtuber TTRPG in my spare time, then.

>>62626116
More like
>make good music
Cause most of the 2hu fanbase are secondaries

20k copies at $5 minus Steam's 30% is 70k, enough to pay for most of a year of single person development. I could easily see this as symbiotic for independent devs and even small studios willing to put time into selling a good game to the Hololive fanbase. It also shows the insane money Holocure is leaving on the table.

>>62626291
and that's different from hololive how?

>>62626212
https://youtu.be/E8dU4Yms3A0

>>62625942
qrd

>>62626862
>>62626901
So Holo Indie is just providing the $100, I guess?

>>62627259
man, this is bizarre as fuck. this video feels like it came out of 2007

>>62616431
My fellow nijibros... are we the bad guys?

>>62619699
> Derivative work games published under the “Game Creator Support Program” may be live streamed by our affiliated talents via various streaming platforms such as YouTube or Twitch and such live streams may be monetized.
It's streaming content. Seems like a pretty good plan.

>>62627301
Cover's publishing so maybe you don't even provide the $100, it probably depends on how you arrange it with them.

>>62626869
>>62627250
Clips are at least directly derived from the source.

>>62627534
yeah I'm sure the thousands of people fapping to Reimu's armpits contribute greatly to touhou too

>>62617843
Holo is the new 2hu I guess.

>>62616193
The board would be dead then.

>>62617961
That is what's know as a "cultural victory", so If it gets to a point where that happens its safe to say Cover has manage to secure itself long term as both a company and as an IP.

>>62618402
>2chan has pick up the term
STOP COPYING US, IT MAKES ME FEEL WEIRD.

>>62627567
That's exactly what I was saying.

>>62618364
Holo becoming the modern version of 2hu is not what I expected.

>>62627853
so what's the difference between 2hu and hololive then?

>>62616431
Derivative works is how IPs grow and promote themselves far outside of their reach. There is now an actual tangible and practical reason to make a Hololive-related game than anything niji-related.

>>62615851
very naisu
>>62619591
they fear the japanese law, but people outside of Japan don't give a fuck mostly about DMCA unless they get too famous and get fucked hard by men in suits like those Pokemon mods
now I will keep track of these games while waiting for the new beta of the DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 4 mod (until the real next game that got announced drops and the japanese lawyers come for blood if they see it as a threat)

also a Bloody Roar Hololive game pls? there is enough kemonomimi girls to make a roster and I'm tired of waiting for Konami to launch a port or proper sequel to it

>>62615920
So right, Nijibro. I'd rather play the plethora of Nijisanji fangames out there.

>>62619699
Chubba gets streaming content that won't get copyright issues, Cover gets exposure made for free, and the game dev get a cut of profit and sweet internet clout. It's the 2hu way.

>>62615920
Well, it's a great strategy.
Hololive fans don't give a shit about any kind of quality (see Holoerror, holoearth...) and they don't have to put any money or development time themselves, so just let them plop the brand thing and one of the dozens of suckers doing more serious derivative work could possibly do well enough to get popular outside the fanbase.
If not, you're at least getting more money from your fanbase on something you didn't do shit about and even more, your lazy as fuck streamers has more game to stream from which are kinda buff streams since they usually feature most of the chuubas.
Funny enough the good games of the bunch will probably still be holocure and korone's box which are completely free.

>>62628041
Rocksuki is decent for a single run. It's an embarassment that there's been only one "okay" NijiGame.

>>62627899
2hu has a massive empire of derivatives that reaches so far that the people seeing those derivatives often don't even up seeing or even thinking about the source material.
People consuming hololive derivatives almost always understand that the characters are streamers and you get moments like someone playing Holocure checking out streams to understand the references.

>>62628110
Rocksuki is a joke game, and I'm not saying it as an insult, it's literally a "haha selen hates flashman's level, let me make an entire game that's flashman's level and slap her face onto it" joke game. The fact that it's the only game nijifags ever bring up when it comes to nijifangames is a travesty

>>62628171
>There is a non zero chance there is a day someone might play a Hololive game and not even know they're streamers
Spooky

>>62616880
Damm, I'm a huge fan of the MMZ games so ChronoGear looks so enticing to me.

Best thing about it is more holos playing games about them, the easiest content to stream that benefits both them and the games.

>>62628238
I think there was a Lazulight RPGMaker game, but I'm not sure and I could be mis-remembering.
I've long given up on Nijifags pulling any real fan content out, especially when it comes to NijiEN. Even the Nijisanji-based wrestling show that /hfz/ has is mostly JPs.

>>62616431
No because they can't produce shit with games so it is a net benefit for them to get a cut from someone else work. They're not Mario anon, they don't give a shit if there's a hundred shit games involved. If they ever want to do more official games they will shill them to dead with their own talents so it's not an issue.
>>62616809
>Cover will be quality-checking the games through that application process.
hahahahaha
>>62617843
If you understood the minimum you would see ZUN is the pure indie spirit of free creation without guidelines and Yagoo is the CEO of a souless overcommercialized company based around mediocre talent exploiting lonely salarymen. Two vastly different universes.

>>62618022
Honestly Vampire Survivors looks very primitve nowadays compared to HoloCure. KayYu's a fucking beast.

>>62628317
Endless circlejerking narcissistic game streams which is likely to be shit since it's made by rookies devs looking for a quick buck and they can't shit on since it's japan. Enjoy.

>>62619336
If Suisei's in it, I'm in.

>>62626975
>i think it'd be an agreement between cover and the dev, on how they should price the game and what percentage should they take each other.
Cover emails the game developer further information about the holo Indie program so there is probably more to the agreement that is covered by an NDA. They can also reject applications at their discretion and Hololive can withdraw support without notice if they consider the game to be inappropriate.

>>62620589
I kneel, Homofan. I look forward to yiur game, I love E.O.

I hope they put Nui Nui Quest on steam. It deserves some attention.
https://sulpx.itch.io/nuinui-quest

>>62628264
I'm sure it already happened with Holocure since it got on Steam, but we don't know.

>>62628264
My nephew played Holocure even though he doesn't watch Holo. He's the one that farmed Gura for me near the Council update. Granted, he'll play anything that's on my PC though, but it happened to some already. lol

>>62628551
So far HoloCure, Idol Showdown and Holotyping streams have all been as good as all other game streams. Thanks, I will enjoy them.

>>62615920

>>62629148
BASED BASED BASED

>>62615920
nijiseeetheee

>>62629148
People WILL seethe at this.

>>62629148
>Tfw you remember Cover is a TECH company
I wonder if Yagoo would have the balls to put out a console, be real fucking funny to see what happens.

>>62615920
Holy shit Southeast Asians are the easiest people to get (you)s from

>>62615851
are you telling holo pulled a "paid mods"? Well enjoy.

>>62615851
I approve almost everything about this but the guidelines are vague as fuck
If you make a holo a protagonist and you make another holo the villain and last boss that falls into hurting that member reputation/image?
There's several minor things like that

>>62630930
that's why they are "guidelines" and not "rules", It's basically a "use your common sense" line that lets them veto anything too out there and discourage people from thinking a game where they put a holo in a cage and gangbang her in three holes is a good idea

>>62615970
Meant for
>>62615920

>>62631010
They can take down anything they want even if you follow the guidelines as it's still their IP. The guidelines are there just to give you an idea of what you should do to avoid getting taken down.

>>62631424
Yeah, it's pretty much to set expectations so if they have to take a game down nobody can say they didn't see it coming

>>62618046
Now make them FUTA!

>>62631010
Yeah, that's obviously wrong, but let's say you want to make Mori the last boss
Her lore is death so making a game about her wanting the souls of everyone isn't far-fetched, or she wants to end death to everyone but to do that she needs to sacrifice lots of people or idk
It fits in the lore but making one of the members a genocide isn't the ideal reputation/image that you want to give
Or I'm just being paranoid since Ina literally destroyed humanity on that fan animation

>>62631547
It's not ideal, but nobody is going to lose their shit over typical jrpg final boss shit. It's there so if you blatantly make the people she wants to kill a stand in for the jews or whatever cover can slap you.
And honestly if you're giving that much thought to it already you're probably not the kind of people that message is addressed at

>>62619699
How did you think 2hu and more recently, FGO, blow up?

>>62630930
Just don't do things with malicious intent it's that easy.

>>62631547
Just don't put a horse as her sidekick and you'll be fine.

>>62616431
Is there a stronger force in the universe than the pull of a nijifaggot's lips to the corporation's asshole?