/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

This mf gave me stockholm syndrome so

>>61595496
you're going to have to provide an image of her original form cause literally who?

>>61595496
her neck is weird but she seems cute

>>61595496
Downgrade, sure. Worst, no.

>dominated by boring tones of brown
>long thin neck with a collar that's way too big (even by vtuber standards)
I don't like it. But at least she's still a dog, unlike Purin

Of both eyes were blue it'd be fine.

>>61595496
It’s not a bad design but her original was cuter

>>61595496
She had one of my all time favorite designs. I'm devastated

>>61595496
No it's not.

>>61596017
>cause literally who

>>61595496
very cute

>another shitty use of heterochromia
please for the love of fucking god stop using opposite colors it will ALWAYS LOOK LIKE SHIT

>>61595496
I think the original model fit her better but I don’t dislike the model, technically speaking its probably better but it doesn’t really feel like Pochi to me

>>61595496
Didn't cause nearly as much seethe as that indie who went from a loli to a twich whore model

>>61596017
I like the new model more

>>61596345
A redesign so bad the audience no longer recognises the Vtuber anymore.

>>61596017

Snuffy keeps going back and forth between pretty charming designs and bright neon, mega milk fetish shit

>>61595496
Is this anon the biggest gay in history?

>>61595496
Shes super cute.
I like it when she leans forward

>>61595496
Cunny is always better.

>>61596231
I think you need to work on your reading comprehension

>>61596816
I still think her first 3D raccoon model was the best one. It had some jank, sure, but it had soul.

>>61595496
She wanted the numbers that her genmates get from being lolis. What a fucking downgrade.

>>61595496
why are you gay

>>61595496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJXnjVokmJM

>>61595496
>literally moetron

>>61595496
It's an upgrade for me since she's a loli. She's now watchable.

Any lewds of the new model yet? This puppy looks like she takes ojisan dick well.

It's good, except for the heterochromia. Remove it and a couple of pointless accessories maybe.
The disheveled look and oversized collar are great.

>>61595496
It's actually suits her well. I just don't like the color choices.

Vesper. Nothing will ever come close, and I hated him.

>>61595496
I like this design better but I don't understand the nose band-aid. It's unnecessary imo.

That thing is cute

>changes to a poorly rigged, significantly less expressive, stiff as fuck model with horrid proportions
>then becomes generic as fuck

>>61597496
People like you are why she joined vshojo.

>>61597496
>buzzwords buzzwords
Define Generic retard

>>61597606
>People like you are why she joined vshojo.
Pikamee was already on the downturn when she went to the Kaiju model.

>>61597199
Rigging looks to be quite good as well. Very cute!

By far the worst. Jesus Christ, they massacred her. She was a cute blonde gamer doge with a perfect outfit and everything that matched her personality. Now she's...what the fuck even is that?? Some kind of diseased looking cunny gremlin-dog? Covered in wounds? What the actual fuck? I unsubbed so I don't have to look at this shit anymore. She's repulsive. -1/10 design. The full body image is even worse.

>>61595496
no that's Purin
at least Pochi's new design still looks like a dog and not a weird elf-gremlin mix

>>61597796
you weren't kidding, she looks like a 10 year old that just got her ass kicked. Bandage seething somewhere

>>61597927
I hope they find a cure for your homosexuality.

>>61595496
It's the heterochromia

>>61598506
I like it, she looks like she just got rescued from my sex dungeon.

Her new model is a lot better imo.

>>61597259
There were a couple but I didnt save them...
Maybe /jidf/ has them.

>>61598580
My flip wife!

>>61595496
>>61598506
looks like that meme mashup of all the moebait from 2007

>>61598958
Moetron my beloved.
I'm sure someone tried to rig her years ago but I don't have it saved anywhere.

>>61596816
>Snuffy
She looks worse with every single redesign ever since the racoon, she should've kept it. And call me gay, but sometimes adding huge tits doesn't improve something, she looks stupid with them.

>>61596545
God, she was so pretty. The new model is muddy and souless, like it was generated with ai

>dramatroons talk shit about pochi
You should face the wall.

>>61599439
Well, that black and blue Warcraft/League of Legends looking one is pretty nice, especially with the mask off, even if it feels a little busy. But the others are a downwards spiral of tacky bullshit, yeah.

>>61595496
>>61596545
Wait, that’s dog from Idol EN? Holy canoli, they ruined her.

Her new model is significantly cuter. You never watched her anyway, so its no loss.

>>61595496
To be honest I would be happy of she keep her eyes brown instead of going with the heterocromie meme

>>61595496
this sayu model
arguably still the worst decision she ever made during her vtuber career

>>61596545
I watched her maybe once but damn she looked SO MUCH better

It looks like really bad fanart

God i loved Pochi when she was new. After a while she went menhera, stopped being a gamer dog even tho she still claims to be one, has no idea what she wants her content to be, taking a lot of longer breaks and now chaning to a loli model for no reason. I was holding on, i knew she was gonna be a loli after her redeisgn but i thought she would keep the overall colors and stuff. Dropped her now.
IdolCorp is shady as fuck anyways, where does that money come from? I know they keep donobaiting and i know a lot of their donothon goals are still not done. A shame tho, Fuyo was cute.

I don't like when a vtuber gets a total redesign that looks like a new character like this, but on it own, I like this one. Call me boring but I like brown hair. Heterochromia of two fairly normal eye colors is actually kind of refreshing at this point, too. Overall, a mix of normal and abnormal features that I think works well.

>>61597796
>blonde
Anon, your color vision reps...

>>61600371
I think this one is the winner.
Real bad.

>>61598506
Sorta feels like she wanted to be more in line with the rest of idol's cunny brigade. It's a pretty nice model but the original stood out more to me within idol as a whole, as long as shes happy with it I guess that's fine though.

>>61595496
I really like Pochi but her new model is such a downgrade. She had very bright, vibrant colours that naturally caught your eye.
The new model just looks very dry and lifeless.

>>61595496
Ew heterochromia and gives off punkalopi vibes

>>61600104
*Second worst
Her worst decision in her vtuber career was going to a black company

>>61600414
What do you mean donothon goals arent done they hit all of them.

Weird heterochromia and I prefer the older colors but she's cunny now so I like it

>>61595496
That brown eye feels wrong.

>>61595496
That's a serious oof if I've ever seen one. I don't watch pochi but on sometimes hanging in the idol thread I never, ever not once ever saw anyone ragging on her for her model's design. Actually she has .. or had, probably one of the most overall liked ones.

The thing is the new one isn't that bad to me either, but if she was easily a 9/10 (probably a 10 to some) before she now is like a 7 or 8. It's still cute, just really fucking different and kind of odd in how asymmetrical it all is considering he old self was mirror symmetry. Anyone would suddenly "look weird" for getting a heterochromia eye when they didn't have it before, just as it would look weird for someone who always had it to suddenly not have it. Subtle heterochromia without a giant difference isn't even that bad, like Marine's for example, but Pochi's is about as different as they can be in contrast making it jump out at you.

>>61595496
nah, ironlungs still hasnt had a good design since her original one for branding. and that one wasnt even good, just plain and simple. worse still, she has some fcking forced fate-esque lore surrounding her models and 95% of them look like i could have smashed my head on a drawing tablet and made. wish i had smashed my head on a drawing tablet desu, if i do it enough, maybe her voice wont make me wanna commit rope kek

>>61598580
NTA and she looks good, but the other guy is right about elf-gremlin mix rather than dog.

>>61600104
Why didn't she return with that? Why did she spend so many months without a proper model and collected the temporary drama buff in that unappealing period when she had a good model lying around?

>>61595496
I assume her numbers sucked so they did a bratty cunny redesign, like purin and yoki. Her old design was cuter but this design has a large audience

>>61600371
All the VOMs models have their charm.

>>61597496
I completely agree. The original was best.

>>61595496
friend

>>61595496
But why?

>>61598506
Holy fuck, I need to cum inside of this.

>>61595496
>>61596545
she now looks like a shitty twitch vtuber

>>61595496
It's very fluid and expressive in motion, while it doesn't look as good visually it's a technical upgrade that shows her off better.

>>61601725
Yukos spicy ASMR not done
several orisongs/covers not done
doujin not done
voicepack not done
those small desktop animation things, whatever its called, not done
Im sure there is more but since i lost interest i dont feel the need to check. Its just for your information or if anyone else should care

Idol had a pretty amazing start and the girls were amazing too, some are still good but the hype is gone and content went to shit for the most part.

>>61596545
I like the colors of the old one and the artstyle of the new one.

>>61596545
>>61595496
The new design isn't bad. It's cute. But there was no reason to change her already perfect design.

>>61609020
Never trust a donothon ever. Nearly every donothon i've seen has ended up with some yab being unearthed or the girl just stops streaming and does none of the goals.

>>61609193
Well isnt it a good thing that IdolCorp excels in donothons then.

>>61596545
Why change so much?

Lumi into blonde Vei

>>61598506
I stopped watching the jews a while ago, I assume all their fans being obnoxious cunnyfags and most of the new talents pandering to that ended up getting to her and she felt like she had to fall in line.

>>61595496
Well she looks more like a dog now, I’ll say that.

>>61595496
This model isn't bad per se, but I do not understand why she did it. Her previous model was perfect.

>>61596545
I prefer this one.

>>61595496
its bad but none is as bad as vesper's redesign

>>61609020
Fuyo has slavishly done her dono goals, stream after stream. She even rp'd herself being in jail for awhile until they were done. I think they're all done now except the little desktop pet thing, but that's something that's out of her hands. She's such a joy to watch, I wish she got more credit. She's like early Watson, comes up with all the creative shit then her genmates copy it.

>>61597606
she's doing fine now but that doesn't change the point that the new models weren't good
the black outfit was especially bad, it was just the original model with a black outfit with "normal" anime eyes

>>61595496
It's always funny how defensive these girls get about their bad redesigns, like lumi, because their own audience is rejecting their tastes and it causes cognitive dissonance

With pochi, it's understandable that she wants too look comparable to the other idol corp girls, but yuko, roca and coni are top tier talents that could stream with just a png and entertain

>>61597606
cry more tranny

>>61596816
The first few 2D models she had right after the VR chat model were really good, but lets be real, the OG 3D racoon model was fucking hideous.
Remanent from that garbage era where a bunch of Vshojo/twitchtubers used the Big Chin modeler for 3Ds.
Yes i know her first model was a VRChat but that was so early on that it doesn't really count

>>61598728
... how many little girls haven't escaped from you sex dungeon...?

>>61595496
Absolute worst. She had a really pleasant color scheme and general design going on before.
The idolcorp pedophile circlejerk will defend it to death since getting pandered to (and milked for cash) helps them cope with being nonhumans.
She became a shitbrown generic loli for those pedo dollars.

>>61596231
>Redesign
>Kiara's first model
Also take away the stupid hats and sword/shield and it actually looks pretty alright, the face and hair design alone makes it a 8/10

>>61614822
All the rest of them.

>>61595496
When you fags make threads about redesigns, can you fucking post both? I don't follow every single 2view to know what they looked like.

>>61598506
Reminds me alot of Purin from tsunderia, coincidentally Her redesign also fucking sucks, too heavy on the coomer angle

>>61595496
No, not even close.
picrel is.

>>61615396
from loli to space-sex, I wouldn't call that a downgrade

>>61615451
>I wouldn't call that a downgrade
Then you must be both blind and retarded.
From cute and simplistic, to overdesigned street hooker.

>>61595496
It grew on me tbhdesu

>>61600104
she gets credit because she actually got Kita Senri to design a model for her.

>>61615521
not a pedophile, and do like me some meat on a woman

>>61595496
>>61596545
>>61598506
Other then the heterochromia, the new design is really cute. It just also didn't need to be changed. Her first design was already one of the best in the corpo. It kinda makes me sad.

>>61615882
>see cute design
>instantly think of pedophilia
Why are americans like this?
It's always either niggers or pedophilia with you faggots.

>>61595496
she might do ten more redesigns but problem remains that she's not a good streamer - for a 'gamer dog' she wasn't doing much gaming, instead some variety streams that she's not great at.

>>61616186
I almost never like heterochromia. Otherwise her new design is about on par to her old one. It's obvious why she got the redesign, so she can get a larger audience.

>>61595496
>>61596545
THE WORST REDESIGN IN HISTORY? Hell no, if you ask that question unironically you haven't seen many vtubers.
There are far far worse.
However this is definitely on the "wow you fucking ruined it" category, but at least she is still a cute dog.
She's just a very inferior cute dog.
The colors look so fucking dull and she had a great contrast before, the art style is also way more generic, combine both changes and she just looks like a fucking background NPC now.
Heterochromia is hit or miss and this is a miss too.
The hair decorations are now a fucking mess, she was recognizable enough before and looked like a proper character you'd see in a game now she just looks like a vtuber with the now tiresome accessory spam.
Her outfit and body also became super generic.
"Loli with a bit loose shirt" is one of the most over used designs in the medium, it's over used in general in manga and anime too but vtubers took the look and ran it to the ground.
She's also just another loli more in idol which makes her stand out even less.
"dog girl" is a very basic concept for starters and it takes something extra to make one stand out and she doesn't have it now.
The new design isn't horrible and it's not too far from the original but it's such a big downgrade in so many ways that it can serve as a case study of how not to make a redesign.

>>61616354
Have you considered that simply not everyone is into cunny? Does having a preference= twittart trying to cancel loli to you morons now?

>>61616507
>Have you considered that simply not everyone is into cunny?
He doesn't have to be, I'm just saying his first thought was pedophilia LMFAO.
Sounds like the average kiddy diddling twitter tranny that seems to make up like half of online Americans these days.

>>61600414
>and now chaning to a loli model for no reason
She probably wanted more views, and it has worked for now. Up to her if she squanders it or not.

>>61616354
Oh no, (he) doesn't understand jokes or that most retards on 5kek call lolicons pedos as a joke. /uoh/ isn't there to just call the designs cute

>>61595496
downgrade for sure since her original artist went missing
doesn't fit her but at least she's happy

>>61609175
Women, when given the chance to change their vtuber model, will tend to either give themselves huge tits or make their character a loli. No exceptions.

>>61615396
not sure if that counts since she completely went back to the old design

Other anons said it and it's true, the design doesn't matter, Pochi is not a good entretainer and thinks this will save her career when the bad numbers weren't because of her design but because of herself.
She went menhera pretty fast, never knew what to do and is overall souless.
Now she got a redesign that goes with her "preferred tastes and that represented her better" when in reality she just went for what is popular with her coworkers, cunny.
Had a very pretty color scheme and a design with a style that stuck out, now is just an NPC moebait beast amalgamation.

>>61595928
theres nothing wrong with this guy imo, just needed a skin hue change

>>61597796
WTF Ive seen her new model being recommend to me and though she was a new IdolEN

>>61613963
Sometimes when I look at anime characters I think "she looks like she stinks" and fuyo looks like she doesn't shower.

>>61617389
The problem is that people liked the original thin and highly stylized vampire looking dude and he just became this generic super hero looking dude, it doesn't look like the same character at all.
It's the male equivalent of a cute small loli becoming an oneesan titty monster.

>>61614924
it suits her very well

>>61598506
not bad at all but the previous model was good too so it does feel weird.

>>61614924
Despite leaning on them, didnt she shat on them too and much prefers her alt outfits??

>>61596545
Wtf I thought she fucking disappeared. This redesign really lost me, though I only really pay attention to Yuko.

>>61617178
It would be quite hilarious if the design is actually based on what supposedly will give her more views, because the design is so shit it probably will only scare some of her actual watchers. This new design is the most generic cunny attempt I've seen in a while.

Any idolers can explain WHY she got a redesign and not just a new outfit? From a non-viewer's point of view her original design was really really good.

Much better. Everything's better when loli.

>>61613963
Fuyo is literally the only donothon I've ever seen done right. Entertainment throughout the 48 hours it lasted. Goals and rewards unlocked tons of fun extra content instead of just being a glorified throne for buying them things. She sounded excited about her shimejii being done soon. I think she only has to deliver on her own original song.

>>61617775
I think she said something about her mama being difficult to work with/MIA, but I don't watch Pochi much so don't quote me on that.

>>61615117
Officer this IP address here.

I like both designs, but for me personally,
> Ephebe > Hebe > Loli

>>61619280
What is Ephebe ?

>>61619011
I have the officer's little sister too. He doesn't dare to do anything.

>>61620502
It effectively means the following; "grandma > hag > loli".

>>61595496
>Startup corpo runs shill campaign on /vt/ as a hebrew vtuber group
>expectantly flops, with 2 talents leaving within a few months
>was literally a month away max from being shut down in august 2022, a la cyberlive or tsunderia
>Debut an English branch a month later
>By the end of 2022 become one of if not the biggest small corpo in the scene
I'm a holo purist but even I'm impressed, this is like a dream underdog scenario out of a sports movie

>>61616507
>>61615882
>>61616806
>>61614897
Don't care. Conflate reality with fiction and you deserve to be killed in the most brutal way possible. Kill yourself.

>>61621089
They have done a lot of good moves.
They have a massive budget so they are not true undedogs, there are other small corpos that actually struggle to keep up but idol's CEO can flex on xwitter how he will fund any equipment, games or props the members need.
Besides top tier models and rigs they also got some fairly big indies to livestream and shill their debuts.
Tho credit where it's due they made some great moves.
Aviel's bullshit blog and tweets have turned him into a pseudo Yagoo figure and he has managed to get involved in big discussions about vtuber ethics without coming off as too shameless.
They've given their members a fairly good range of freedom too which helped them find their own niches well.
Another big thing were the ads, they ran a very heavy ad campaign on youtube, other corpos have done it afterwards as well but idol was the first small corpo I saw aggressively showing targeted ads this much and that couldn't have been cheap.
But it paid off clearly, meanwhile other small corpos are too conservative with budget and don't invest as much so their growth is smaller. This was allegedly a reason behind Kawaii's third gen quitting.
Their hiring was very good too, no idol has gone full yab yet and most of them are generally recognized as being very fun, Pochi is ironically the one that was called boring most often and she's still fairly entertaining.
The corpo has a good range of content, it's not all just low effort gaming shit and they have different appeals too.
Aviel was even considering males but after seeing how it played out for the biggest company out there he realized if they can't make it work he sure can't either.
Now they wan to expand into ES, first noteworthy company going that direction. They are actually beating Holo and Niji at it.

>>61622084
i'm thankful to the CEO for hiring cunny, GFE even.

>>61622084
They should give the girls a monthly budget for skeb commisions. They keep my heart happy, but there aren't enough lewds to keep my dick happy.

>>61596545
Holy shit, what the fuck? That design is so top tier and the one in OP is actual fucking junk. Crazy that anybody convinced it was an improvement. Women just get bored with shit huh? Must be like dying their hair.

>>61622585
They have a budget and they choose how to use it.

>>61622084
fair, still not watching your jewtubers btw

didn't like the new model at first, but it grows on you very quickly when you see it on motion. the rigging is very impressive and she's super expressive

>>61622699
People say her OG artist was ghosting the company and she wanted an artist that would actually be there for her for any extra skins but that's kind of bullshit since no one in idol has gotten a proper new skin and they already have the barbie models of them.
Many vtubers have different artists make their outfits so that's not really a problem.
Most likely she just wanted to be a loli like 90% of the company. Shame she couldn't just hire someone to change her model to make it a loli, it was already very cute, she literally just needed someone to remove her tits and call it a day.

>>61622084
I remember phase connect ran some pretty heavy shill Ads when gen 1 and later 2 debuted, but didn't get the same massive results as idol.
They got most of their outreach ironically from youtube shorts, dedicated clippers, and the pink rabbit's god given talent of networking for better or worse

>>61623114
I don't remember any phase ads back then man, I only heard about them because there were threads about them.
If there was any marketing department it was Pippa.

>>61595928
>Stockholm syndrome
You seemingly fell in love with your captor/abuser?

>>61597606
Pikamee joined vshojo because she wanted to be a twitch react streamer (see: her entire vtuber career after debuting the isekai model)

I dont like the concept of redesigns in general; your model is part of the decision making process when a viewer makes you their oshi so changing it without a really good reason kinda sucks. Having said that, this model looks cute. Personally I'd make the brown eye green if she really wanted to do heterochromia. Also 90% of this thread wouldn't know a good design if it hit them in the face and are holo faggots just trying to dunk on small corpo because their life is that pathetic.

>>61595496
You like loli right? Why are you hatin

From the river to the sea, death to the kike company

>>61623206
PC had constant ads on most holo clip channels and pretty much any video/stream that had to do with vtubing in the weeks leading up to the corpo's debut and a year later with gen 2's.
It just wasn't noticed because most PC fans came around last fall
T. Day one capipitalist

>>61617561
Her 3d is fucking amazing, but 2d it's kinda... shit.

>>61595496
>Is this the worst vtuber redesign in history?
Absolutely no. While I don't understand why she changed both her old and this new model look really good. I have no complaints. The subdued brown colors actually reflect her personality well. She's a slow burn chuuba rather than a ball of energy. And no, that doesn't mean "comfy" or boring, she's one of those girls like Petra Gurin or Komachi Panko, where their humor and entertainment value isn't in the loud = funny category.

She also has amazingly beautiful feet.

>>61617561
Kiara being the only one from HoloFest 2022 not to have a completely scuffed 3D model is pretty funny to me

>>61624127
>She also has amazingly beautiful feet.

>>61623384
You had a good post until
>Also 90% of this thread wouldn't know a good design if it hit them in the face and are holo faggots just trying to dunk on small corpo because their life is that pathetic.
No one has brought up any other company or other characters, there is no way you can know what their tastes are.

>>61624127
Panko has grown louder over time tho.

>>61624389
She posted them on twitter a while back. Both her and Yuko did, and Yuko still offers some fanservice while wearing shoes. Good stuff. Also I'm eagerly waiting for Coni to come back, I miss her.

>>61624793
True. But her humor is generally in the things she says, not the volume when she gets "upset" over something chat says. She usually delivers her jokes in her normal voice.

>>61625164
Damn, I thought she was fat? Her handstream with the blue gloves made her look like a whale

>>61625164
>That slight squish on that thighmeat.
HNNNNGGGGG.

>>61595496
Mouse

>>61626556
Which one, girl has more models than she has company mates

I've always hated Melody's 2D model. The original 3D one was great and not just because I saw her naked.

>>61625164
Holy shit that skindentation thigh shot, she knew what she was doing.

>>61625164
If only her personality as a streamer was as immaculate as her feet. Pochi can be so fucking cute, but she kept debuffing herself and now this forced loli thing. You cant force loli, you need the soul for it. She sould have at least sticked to her old color scheme.

>>61595496
That new model looks like what I imagine her indie PL would have been.

>>61629122
She went from white>yellow>brown, but always a dog.

>>61595928
aw man

>>61595928
Can't believe they gave a model to a traitor who stabs them in the back.

>>61617501
funny you say that anon, she often talks about hating showers and getting wet...stinky leprechaun gets taunted by chat for it mercilessly. God I love her accent, it's so fucking cute

>>61595928
Probably alone in this, but this actually looks pretty damn good for a maletuber model. The original with its Kaiji/Akagi face and castlevania skin looked to uncanny to me.

>>61618967
I couldn't agree more. I watched almost the entire donothon. The fact that she prerecorded 8 hours of shit for when she was asleep was amazing. That is serious dedication, she always tries so hard. I'm not sure what's holding her back from being more popular. Shitty games maybe, she's spammed Blasphemous 1&2 for like 30 fucking streams.

>>61634706
Numbers might be the lowest but IMO Fuyo has the most dedicated fanbase of her gen. See more clips and OC of her than anyone else in EN 1

>manufactured drama for shilling
Buy an ad
4channel.org/advertise

>>61634706
As the other loli of EN1, she was indirectly competing with Yuko who: has the golden loli voice, better opsec (the debut threads were a dumpster fire for Fuyo), seems more tuned into terminally online weeb humor, better game choices and was quicker to shed any dignity for the $$$. It can be hard to shatter the glass ceiling that is established during your formative weeks as a vTuber

>>61597606
Unfortunately Vshojo saved her career

pochi on the front page!

Miyune from Twitch, a shame.

>>61636238
>better opsec
I almost took your post seriously

>>61596545
She look better now, her old model are generic.

>>61623114
IdolEN came at perfect time by cashing out on thirsty and disheartened holoEN fans during the complete shitshow that was HoloEN 2022.

>>61598506
that's just kiki pyon with brown hair and dog ears

>>61638729
new version is objectively better unless you're a coomer

>>61638729
Are more chuubas turning into lolis because that's where the money is?

>>61640523
>ai trash
>better

>>61640652
bad bait

>>61617079
>No exceptions.
Lia downsized her breasts without going loli
You're still right though

>>61640224
and with 50% less autism

>>61639712
I don't recall days of shitposting against Yuko after debut. Maybe you just memory holed it; I'd have to as well to enjoy her ASMRs.

>>61595496
I will never forgive lemon woman for abandoning this model, first time I dropped a chuba because her new model was just so bad. At least when Yuri did it she was still cute but the menhera got the better of her.

>>61609668
Artist dead, and she decided to embrace the cunny corp.

>>61634706
For me, Fuyo is too inconsistent. She focuses on creative stuff, which takes time, so her streams can be pretty scarce at times. Also that type of content can be heavily hit or miss.
And yes, the RM stuff have absolutely hurt her numbers

>>61638729
Tf you smokin nigga
Her current model is a million times better than a hatsune miku rip off

>>61638729
I am not a fan of big redesigns but she went from generic schoolgirl to miku clone to a pretty cute loli, I'd say that's some good improvement.
>>61640523
Shut the fuck up you just want to lick loli feet.
>>61640622
Maybe it's the money or maybe more girls are realizing that they can relate more to the loli asthetic.
I've seen it with some of them going into a gremlin silly retard persona, being a loli enables that behavior and might feel liberating to them.
This isn't something often discussed seriously but the avatar does influence the way the actor views themself, the boxes they put themselves in.
It's why I've seen many girls debut with big titty models and later downsize because they couldn't really carry that weight figuratively speaking they couldn't get in what they perceived as the big titty girl character but they felt more relatable to a loli brat.

>>61644513
The artist isnt dead do your reps
She still hasn't been paid

>>61622084
>Their hiring was very good too, no idol has gone full yab yet and most of them are generally recognized as being very fun,
Letting the girls design their models works wonders too since they'll feel more comfortable with their characters.

IdolEN is for ToT only. She had to adapt.

>>61644433
That whole story is so fucking sad.
She had a pretty good model, great expression, great design. Could have reiterated on it with different outfits. But no she had to be a woman and had to change shit for no good reason and chase popularity at all costs so she got a shitty generic clone of a more popular streamer and pretended it was an improvement.
Worse expression, a freaky mouth that moves all over the fucking place, shitty soulless eyes, and those fucking retarded fangs that have no sense or reason.
She traded soul for soulless.
Not gonna comment on the outfit because that's honestly more subjective and she can always just get new outfits, she already has two.
But the new face is shit.
Seeing some fans slowly coping is also pretty fucking sad, everyone agreed it was shit at first.

>>61644885
True, one of their best moves overall.
The only drawback is that now 90% of the company is made of lolis so they lost any semblance of variety and they compete with each other more but I guess that's a learning experience for Aviel, if he is gonna let the girls choose their models he has to choose the right girls with their characters in mind.
So when he goes scouting indies for the next batch seek specifically some girls that provide balance.

>>61598506
I honestly think this looks infinitely better than the generic blonde one that was posted earlier

>>61645126
>lost any semblance of variety and they compete with each other
I disagree. Pochi wouldn't have had to change her model otherwise. The girls support each other, but many don't stick around unless they're watching a loli.

>>61640224
every lolituber reminds me of kiki now, idk why

>>61596545
This redesign hurts more if you knew she had top of the line fanart for her old model.

>>61645126
>The only drawback is that now 90% of designs are absolute shit
fixed

>>61595496
Holy fuck that’s meant to be Pochi?

RUINED

>>61645858
Tbh any non loli avatar is pretty shit since there's an oversaturation of non lolis especially from vtweeters so the viewer retention is mostly felt if one is a loli, which is why pochi changed her avatar
It's pretty embarrassing being raided by someone and then they don't stay because you're not a loli

>>61623206
Phase did quite a few ads, it was probably the first corpo I actually saw doing it, gen 2 had some really good debut numbers after all the advertising, I believe hitting 4view territory. Lots of those people didn’t stick around but it was a big boost to viewership overall, a very exciting time to be a fan.

>>61645253
You just nailed the issue.
If 90% of idol members are lolis it will only attract loli fans so no shit any loli fan whose favorite girl is not live and there are multiple options will have a bias towards the lolis live.
So hiring more lolis or letting non lolis become lolis will make them good at competing internally but they will just filter more the same audience.
Balanced casts are the norm in the industry because that's what works.
Pochi might have an easier time picking up some of the other girl's fans if their favorites aren't live now but they won't just leave their oshi and move over to her just because her design changed.
She'd have a higher chance of success long term if she grew her on niche.
Look at Rin for instance, she's a boyish tomboy and does pretty well in the loli corpo and has a unique audience.
Some level of overlap and general audience compatibility is good, all of Hololive appeals to a similar crowd so they are all cross compatible but that boils down to their approach and the style of content they produce, not the character designs or tropes they offer and the niches they occupy.

>>61598506
Holy shit, i want to fuck this

>>61645253
>>61646078
But is she really a loli just because of the model change?
Did she change her voice acting or character acting a bit to go with it?

>>61646078
>he says this when the most popular idol corp vtubers are rin and the other hag
didnt read the rest but you are a dumbass

>>61645038
>>61644433
I stopped watching her over it. Still sitting on the same 200k channel points since her redebut. That's how much I watched her before that.

>>61595496
Not the worst but the first that came to mind.

>>61646159
She was already very loli-compatible.

>>61598506
>>61595496
Damn Pochi's new model is PURE SEX

>>61646241
So she isnt

>>61595496
Slutty little 10 year old dog needs correction

>>61595928
The old photo ID was funny at least.

>>61646430
She doesn't need you, she wasn't playing a mature character before so she doesn't need to make any adjustments to fit a loli character now. I guess she's acting more bratty and silly so there's that.

>>61646530
Yeah? So she’s gonna piss herself? Dumbass.

>>61644433
>>61645038
Cope, Pippa said that her new model is good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGlz3yR9cG8

>>61648311
Pippa out of all people should not be saying anything about other peoples models

>>61596545
From a cute dog tradwife to twitch whore #323455

>>61595496
No the worst, but a huge downgrade.
Old model looked unique, now she looks like budget Purin

>>61595496
While I like cunny I liked more the old model...

>>61615396
>Redesign so shit you don't get the clips you thought you'd get, and you can no longer get the chink money you relied on, since it wasn't allowed on bilibili and even the censored version had its issues.
It's grim, because I actually liked her before she abandoned her old model and entire vibe to try and fail at becoming a coomtuber. Even though she reverted to her old model, you can't just erase the fact that she basically shat on her old fans.

>>61595496
Wait a goddamn fucking minute, this is Pochi? Jesus Christ...

>>61649564
I thought that was purin's new model and I was going to say man that's a huge downgrade. l m a o

>>61652383
It might as well be since they stole the model. Couldn't even wait a month for her to graduate before stripping the corpse

>>61595496
The new model is pure sex
>>61596150
>collar that's way too big
That's the point. It make you want to tighten it.

>>61622699
Chasing the lolicon money is my bet

this is such a weird thread. you can tell nobody in here has ever watched her yet you're seething like your lives depend on it

>calling out something = seething
Buy an ad

>>61653055
They can't. The war is draining the ad funds.

>>61652934
pochi feet poster is right there anonymously yours >>61645537 you’re outside of your hugbox, accept the criticism like a man and stop being a bigger bitch than your pet

>>61652521
>That's the point. It make you want to tighten it.
A collar that's not tight around the neck is not unsual for vtubers, but this one just feels like it's too big compared to the neck and shoulders even by vtuber standards. The collar's diameter is about 3 times as large as her neck's diameter, and I can't think of another collared vtuber that goes beyond a factor of maybe 2.5. If you tightened the collar fully you'd have to wrap the leftover length all around her neck and you'd be unable to close it.
>>61652934
Offering mild critique on a model isn't seething, and you can talk aesthetics without knowing the vtuber - not to mention that some anons here do watch her. Reply to the posters you're thinking of rather than generalizing, that way you'll be taken seriously.

>>61623114
yeah, Pippa got me hooked on all Phase. I even toon in to twitch for movie streams or Lumi and Tenma. Hope Uruka comes back soon.

>>61596231
three years and he's STILL mad

>>61644517
she has a spotless on-stream track record though. she constantly says male HATE, eww guys, male on stream! etc. She has made it clear there will be no collabs with guys. Let's face it, 99% of chuuba girls are married or have a bf, to think otherwise is delusional. All I want is for them to keep it to themselves and play their character, and Fuyo does that amazingly well.

>>61645253
explain how Rin and Juna are 2 of the 3 most subbed in idol...not loli. No one gives a shit about the model as long as it is either cute or hot. A good model won't save shit talent, but a good talent will succeed with any model.

>>61595496
insane downgrade, doesnt fit her voice either

>>61595496
If you're a gay homo maybe.

>>61654361
it's okay pochi, no one liked you then and no one likes you now, so nothing's changed really.

>>61654415
Yeah man imagine missing out on those sweet views from the catalogshitters who never watch streams in first place
I'm sure she's regretting all her choices right now

>>61654492
From someone that doesn't care about that they sure do go out of their way to shit up that said catalog with the most putrid of threads

>>61654604
The only thing this thread is missing is deflecting/attacking hololive,getting called out then followed up with "actually her oshi is in hololive!"

Why do vtubers who look like cute teen girls redebut into loli? Is nothing sacred?

>>61597496
Her loli model was fuckign cute

>>61600371
Looks fine aside from the hairstyle

>>61654701
Cunnyfags are easy to pander to and much, much more importantly forgive and forget literally everything.
They have no standards, you could act out menhera, ban and accuse other vtubers of anything and they'd still believe you.
Just see michaelneko, these people are brain-damaged.
I have to say that loli lovers aren't the same as cunnyfags, I can't put my finger on it, but there's an important difference.
>pic related the one chuubah that will never abandon her teen model as much as cunnyfags are begging her to

>>61655146
>sample size: 1

>>61646239
>Italian flag
>On Japanese Holo

>>61653413
>Offering mild critique on a model isn't seething
>OH MY GOD THAT'S POCHI? SHE'S FUCKING RUINED THERE'S NO COMING BACK FROM THIS HOLY FUCK IT'S OVER
you're unhinged

Post that one girl that went from cute teen model to veibae semen demon.

>>61644517
This is what I never get, if they don't mention it at all on main then why is it an issue? It's like sticking your head into a beehive and getting pissed that they fucking sting you. Suspension of disbelief exists for a reason...

>>61615396
this is the future that cunny haters want

Can’t wait
For kattarina redebut

>>61658418
the real problem is the complete redesign on top of hebe- or lolification as has happened with pochi and shizukou
if the design stays similar, its fine for the most part really
>pic related, emma august and her 2 sex forms

>>61655912
I didn't say everyone in the thread offered mild critique, I said at least one person did.

>>61658481
Qrd?

Wasted 2.0 model on a bad streamer and it sucks compared to the first one. Her streams are boring like Roca's, but at least Roca can sing. Pochi just exists and was supposed to be the "gamer dog" but she isn't that good at games.

>>61659522
Cool it with the unhinged antisemitism

>downgrade

>>61596545
Her original design looks so much better. The colors pop and look warm and inviting, and her appearence overally just looks way more cuter with a nicer outfit.
I've no idea why she threw that all away, since I think the newer model looks like shit in comparison.

>>61595496
No. It's cute, even if it's a downgrade to generic brown dog. Also the answer could never be yes for as long as Shizukou remains in memory.

>>61659792
The perfect age for breeding.

I've got a whole folder of these, some worse than others. But this seems like a good enough excuse to post some of them that have bothered me.

>>61660183

>>61660212
Cute. I wanna give her tummy rubs from the inside too.

>>61595928
People hate this model? I actually fucking love it, it's one of the few male vtuber designs I consider to be decent. I hope Pako does a male design next time as well.

>>61658481
>>61659508
kattarina qutie will also redebut, but cunnybros may be disappointed
https://twitter.com/kattarina_qutie/status/1716231663234019646

>>61597496
2=Genius>1>>>>>>3

>>61660200
How is it not this one

>>61660742
Kattarina is an oneesan she will only become cunny for the lolz

The idol general is the biggest hugbox on this board

>>61602243
Anon that model sucks, I wouldn't even stream with that one

>>61660200
I miss HI-C moff

>>61598506
>>61654415
Looks fine but those sweet thighs will be missed

Her old model was good, no doubt about it.
But with her character falling more and more, into menhera territory, the new model might actually fit her much better.

>>61660200
shizuko needs to be in there

>>61595496
The new model is good but the old model was too good to just throw in the trash and simply better. Just completely pointless.

>>61595496
She was having trouble to communicate with the artist from her previous model which made for some stressful moments specially when it came to her future, I prefer the original color palette but I'm guessing she ended up associating the previous design with bad memories so she scrapped everything and moved on, menhera moment

>>61660200
Man, Naiyo's progression was questionable, but tolerable, but Juniper is just a case of never knowing when to stop. I don't use "soul" often but genuinely, so much soul was lost with Juniper, and it's sad. I guess that's what happens when you're able to continuously tweak and tinker with your model yourself.

>>61598506
i like it actually

>>61646239
still bummed out about this, need more old men models.

>>61598506
>>61654415
The brown one looks much more like a dog girl to me than the orange one.

>>61665322
Brown's main problem is the hat and they eyes. I don't think she's worn the hat since debut. But not much can be done about the eyes.

So is she going to change her model every time she notices her viewers leaving?

I had started watching a bit just recently, mainly because I liked her design. This pretty much cuts my interest in her, but I guess I wasn't really attached yet.

>>61665555
For what it's worth, heterochromia is actually pretty common in dogs. For some breeds it gets up to a fucking massive 20% chance, especially the brown/blue combination. I get why some would complain about "design choices", but having had several dogs with eyes like this, I actually like it quite a lot.

>>61640960
Lia is a super special case because she has autism and therefore designed her character to look like a combo of her favorite anime/videogame girls (jirai kei+michiru from grisaia). All the other ones, which are OCs, are either lolis or titsluts.

>>61655803
Canonically he's supposed to be italian. Arurandeisu is supposed to be something like Orlando Deus or some shit idk.

Will she try a titty monster model when the pedophiles find a different outlet for their mental damage?

>>61664175
She actually is but someone else posted her so I didn't bother adding her to this comp

>>61660810
I can't find it in me to blame the mentally ill

>>61666381
>michiru from grisaia
Exceedingly cultured.

>>61666505
Nah, because it's the SJWs, aka. pedophules who are against the loli. They can't stop being guilty every time they see a loli. Anybody who can't separate reality from fiction deserves a painful death.

>>61666505
>>61666670
SJWs will keep being mentally damaged regardless of any vtuber. If every single SJW is shot to death, then that's the only way you can cure them.

>>61666770
you pedos are really brain damaged.

>>61667456
Keep saying that while you're grooming kids into mutilating their genitals
That's what SJWs like you are, you should be thrown into a woodchipper without questions asked

>>61667456
You forgot your hashtag #transrights4minors

>>61666505
>>61667456
>>61615882
>>61616507
This you? https://archive.md/U23XK

>>61595496
https://twitter.com/PochiWanmaru/status/1719394410243191279

>>61667752
>>61667889
I shouldn't expect anything smart from people who want to have sex with kids but it's still disappointing.

>>61668823
That's the current state of the world since you guys voted for a molester like Biden in office, now every woke person wants to legalize troon child predators.

>>61668823
The man's got a point, delusional fucks like you do belong in a woodchipper.

>>61596231
REdesign dummy.

>>61668823
hey sjw
your new home is waiting for you
hop in

>>61660810
The last two aren't redesigns, they're just her other OCs

>>61668823
It's amazing mental hospital patients like you are allowed to be out and about when you can't even seperate reality from fiction.

>>61669074
>>61669176
now kiss maybe doing with someone above 18 years will make you stop being a pedo

>>61668823
>>61667456
>>61666505
>>61669549
Who let you out of the insane asylum? Somebody needs to reel you back in

>>61669549
the only over 18 here is your time in prison and the only thing your kissing are your prison walls, sjw faggot

>>61669549
Before you tell anybody what to do, hop in a woodchipper first since you deserve it for grooming minors with your woke garbage

>>61669839
try some new lines and if anyone will jump into one, it's gonna be you pedo.
very very soon.

>>61670028
>>61669549
>SJW pedophilia trying to groom others to become a groomer like them
You aren't so bright

>>61670028
Yeah we'll be dunking your head in it once we find out where your child predator ass lives. Kill yourself SJW garbage.

>>61670028
>pls become one of us i'm begging u

>>61670249
associating with bunch of pathetic losers, not surprising.

>>61670385
>he's failed over and over
cry more

>>61670385
Being SJW means you forfeit your right to live. Immediate execution for you, NOW.

>>61670439
don't be mean to
>>61670249
maybe he likes aesthetic and might read some history book down the line

>>61670589
shut up nigger
i will be mean to whoever i want and this time sjws are deserving

>>61670028
Strong words from a 41%er.

>>61596231
I still can't believe Huke, who created 2 of the best female character design in history, Black Rock Shooter and Makise Kurisu, made something this bad, especially in colors, the rest could have been save with a better color palette.