/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>61506538
Gee willickers, it's almost like the gosh-darn people prefer voices that match faces

>>61506538
She is boring

takes too many breaks.
doesnt play games just does weird shit.
is emotionally distant and doesnt give service.
bad in collabs.

>>61506538
Hot model but no hot menhera personality to match it like everyone wanted, just a cute dork instead (still ok but less fans)
Red flags at debut + breaks
After Bae, La+ and now Shiori I believe being appointed an official leader of the gen is a curse in itself. Kiara is kinda the leader and tardwrangler of Myth too, and even if she wasn't appointed, she still ended up being the runt, the curse still worked.

>numberfagging

>>61506538
She roleplays and plays indie shit. How is she going to get popular?

The fans she does have are weird and off-putting.

>>61506538
go watch streams and answer youself.
this thread gonna be full of falsefaggers and seething sisters in the next 1 hour due to Shiori mention.

>>61506852
That's true of all the holos. Whatever I watch their streams I just have to turn the chat off.

>>61506785
Shiori's menhera-ness is more subtle. She's currently cultivating one of the most mentally ill HoloEN fanbase up to date. Her fans and antis are all insane

The model is irrelevant, or dozens of twitch hoes would be vying for top vtuber worldwide spot

I think she's perfectly content with a more niche audience, she knows she's weird

>>61506538
kys numberfag

>>61506968
Shut the fuck up. Bau Bau.

>>61506538

The early break, this always does massive damage to a channel. If anything she didn't get hit nearly as bad as she could have.

>>61506538
gfe literally filters people.
The average holoslop consumer is a grass touching person.

She hates her fans, streams the least and doesn't give a shit.

>>61506785
>but no hot menhera personality to match it
that's because you anons don't even give her a chance.
The only thing you shits remember is her 1 line of respecting her collab choices.
When in reality, she doesn't even do collabs, unless the Open vc ones.

She's actually a really good gfe but no ofc lets all just think about her 1 line from debut.

>>61506659
Explain Raden then...

>>61506538
Have you ever watched her? She's very goofy, only does extreme debuff stuff and seems like an autist. Some people enjoy that sort of thing, but it filters most people hard. I wanted to like her a lot and I still believe she's a sweet girl, but I find it difficult to pay attention during streams.
A model only helps draw attention, personality is what makes people stick around.

>>61509335
Raden is charismatic

>>61506538
She filtered out a lot of people right from the start with the whole "respect my choices" thing. Just goes to show how important first impressions are. Look at Bae, she let everyone know right off the bat that her Aussie cunt was reserved for Roberu and she never recovered from runt status since.

>>61506538
Because she doesn’t understand her demographic, she plays into the GFE stuff way more then other holos, so much so that i’m pretty sure she’s the only holoEN girl to explicitly talk about GFE in stream, as in the word GFE has left her mouth on stream in the past… and yet she simps over a bunch of anime dudes and had that whole “respect my collab choices” thing during her debut. If she wants to do better, she needs to pick a lane and stick to it, going half and half just doesn’t work

And she's about to become even less popular. She pulled the GFE rug and will now return to being the useless 3view she was before.

>>61506538
Lost faith on her when nerissa was about to shipbait fuwawa and mococo but she butted in saying "BUT THEYRE SISTERS!!!"
bitch shut the fuck up

Doesn't give a fuck about Hololive, refuses to do her idol reps. Is the only one in Advent that haven't released a cover song individually, milks her paypigs shamelessly. She's a slimy person who will quit after a year. She's grifting and has done nothing to prove my initial assumption wrong.

>>61506538
>interests: anything but gaming
gee i wonder

Are we being raided?

>>61509780
Wish you guys would stop shitposting. There's plenty of reasons to dislike her already, you don't need to make up things.

>>61509654
God forbid non-Japanese tsukomis

>>61509881
Pray tell which one of these points are made up

>>61509800
Kiara and Fauna have shit numbers despite being gamers. Bijou is popular because she's a loli not because of games.

>>61509881
You can disprove exactly none of what I said Novelcuck

>>61510129
Explain why La+ is the third most popular of her gen and Luna is the least popular of her gen

>>61506538
She did NOT match the image the PV set for her

>>61506785
>Red flags at debut
This is all of them, anon.

>>61510187
Laplus is a twitch streamer now. She basically nolonger exists.

>>61509574
>“respect my collab choices”
I can't believe you niggers are still going on about this. You guys speak English, right?

>>61510368
Please let people know what she meant by that when she explicitly states so on stream.

>>61508895
>>61509574
She only went with GFE at the start because of the expectation people had on her with the design and the whole ''Goth GF'' thing. You can see she gets bothered by it now and try to set the boundary of
>You are just a viewer
whenever she can. Nerissa you could be considered more GFE even with all her yuribait

>>61506538
>hot model
She's ugly as sin??? She's not even a loli either.

>>61506538
I bet most of it is the break. This algorithm stuff is really the most important part when you want to get numbers. I also think that she's really not concerned with numbers at all but with doing something unique that draws a lot from her personality. Tl;dr: She's a breath of fresh air which is by definition incongruent with algo-gaming.

I wonder why, surely it's not because she's a horrible person. Slime like this does not belong in Hololive.

>>61510512
>doing something unique
Like how? Unless you think handcam streams every week are something unique

it's all so tiresome

>>61509867
Yeah, if you're wondering who makes those threads and posts >>61493702
They're still seething after 3 months.

>>61510661
lmao what makes them so mentally ill

>>61510448
This. Shiori started out very caring and sweet and her audience became accordingly parasocial. This made her scared and afraid and she's been putting up barriers and distancing from them for the past week, not giving out kisses, not even hugs when she used to every stream. Mentioning her IRL friends stressing that her viewers are simply her viewers when she told them they can view her as whatever they want and telling them they have to find other women to love.
She's ostracizing those who supported her.

>>61510405
If you speak English, you should have no problem going and watching a clip and understanding what she's saying. Because the majority of this board is subhuman ESLs, it's only natural they didn't understand she said the opposite of what they all thought.

>>61510129
>Fauna
>Shit numbers
She has some of the best average numbers in EN, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>61506538
her voice is annoying as fuck and she plays the most boring stuff. worst possible combo

>>61506538
People were not ready for a goth GF that actually behaves the way real life goth girls behave, instead of the weird dommy mommy abomination that zoomers who have never even seen a goth girl IRL have invented.

>>61506538
She is kinda ugly dude

>>61510857
She has the second least amount of subscribers in Council (didn't do well as expected). Kronii can survive without GFE and gachis, Fauna cant'.

>BVTM browns hate her
>doxxsite femcels sisters hate her
>meanwhile she's just doing her thing and she's been on a good behaviour for over 3 months

>>61510805
>Because the majority of vtubers are subhuman ESLs
Nice, glad your enjoying the ride.

>>61511056
Anon I think you meant
>You're

>>61506852
So true sister.

>>61511115
Yes and? Did you expect a english major to reply to your "I fuarking hate ESL's so much" post?
"huuur you don't need to have a major-" Yeah, yeah, who the fuck cares.

>>61506538
She likes cuck shit. No man in their right mind would stick around.

>>61510985
Subs don't mean much when nobody is watching the streams, donating, and buying the merch and memberships, all metrics Fauna absolutely stomps Kronii at. She makes the most money in Council by a mile.

Was Shiori's piano stream archived?
I want to watch it but I don't want to member only to find out its not there

>>61510747
i know streamers doing small affectionate things is one thing and another but it makes me sad when the power of the audience and the collective mental illness energy dampens their fire for content

it's like the same kind of feeling i get when i hear an enthusiastic vtuber's project get denied or what have you and they talk about it on stream
or when biboo says something she thinks is innocent but everyone on the internet sucks so she is sad
it's a mix of despair and pleasure

>>61511306
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuhDcKdzcBA&ab
It's still there

>>61506926
I recognize the pattern.

>>61506538
Immediately compared herself to trash tier anime, filtered

I watched a few of her VODs like her microscope stream and I don't get the face not matching the personality criticism. She talks about stabbing Ina and ripping out Pekora's spine in the same stream. I feel like everyone who says this is just going off her voice.

>>61506538
She filtered out the poorfags which are the majority. Just look at Bijou's CCV compared to her sc.

>>61506538
More shocking is how Bijou turned out the most popular despite being boring as a plank of wood

>>61506538
I don't like her voice

>>61513172
Fuwamoco has the closet door view debuff

>>61506538
I think her strange personality might filter people but personally it was acting so thirsty for gacha twinks that filtered me.

Her desperation to milk SCs put me off

>>61513014
This. Do /#/fags only care about ccv and subs? Because Shiori does well in superchats.

>>61511185
Methinks the ESL doth complain too much.

>>61513357
Multiple girls said SC is the worst way to give them money, merch and members being the best
Hell, some girls always have superchat off like Ame, or spam games that you can't monetize, like Bijou

>>61513357
It's not worth mentioning when FWMC gets way more than her and even Nerissa match some of her numbers these days

>>61513357
SC works like this:
35% goes to youtube
35% goes to cover
The other 30% goes to the talent
But they get paid in Yen (the currency is down the shitter) and they also pay taxes
So they get around 20% of that money you give them
While with individual merch, most of the money goes to the talent (with hololive at least)

>>61506538
Why do you think that a hot model should get more views?
Even if you are a coomer, you can masturbate without watching a single stream.

>>61513540
That's still more than they get for subs and CCV. 20% of 5k is still more than 20% of 2.5k.

>>61506538
>be the least popular in advent when she has such a hot model

Pekora has a dogshit design but her personalty made her popular.

>>61513809
You're forgetting views, too
Its why Mori is a lot richer than Kiara despite having simillar SC
It goes like this
Individual merch > sponsorships > views > memberships > SC

>>61506538
How is Bijou the highest ccv?

>>61514012
She always is 2nd or highest in advent collabs, how is this news?

>>61514047
I'm just surprised she beat FWMC, it's usually the other way around. I guess the japanese were working or asleep.

>>61514012
self-raid before every advent collab
no, seriously, she does that every collab

>>61514078
She didn't though

>>61514078
That doesn't work the way you think it does, she will keep the same viewers.

>>61513985
Views only give you money if people aren't adblocking though

>>61514351
Views give money if they count as a view
They wouldn't even count to begin with if youtube decides to flag it

>>61514351
that anon is retarded if he thinks views worth more than sc and member. even cover said themselves that adsense money make up for the smallest portion of their income

>>61514412
>no source

>>61514446
and your source?

>>61513985
youre thinking of revenue split % not TOTAL earned which is what matters at the end of the day
so basically reverse your list

>>61513540
Youtube takes 30%. It doesn't really matter that they get paid in yen. If their cut is $20 USD they get paid 2,993.07 yen, which after currency conversion back to USD is magically $20 again! Taxes and suboptimal foreign currency exchange deals can eat into that but it's nowhere near as bad as the initial 30% cut from youtube.

>>61509537
this is the major thing, also combined with her content being more niche in general. if she played minecraft several times a week or something she'd have probably have a like 1-2k higher average.

however, people have more than enough choices and more than enough experience with chuubas these days to know someone with an attitude/condescending air is not gonna be worth the time or emotional investment in the long run. you can say "but she isn't really like that" and even if it's true 99.999% of the time, her "respect mah collab choices" thing literally all by itself negates all of that. one memorable, quotable bad line does fucking incalculable damage. her being Ms. "I'm so experienced with vtubing guise" fucking dumb ass should have known but if she can't resist a gaffe even with like 5 years experience running for the sake of her own ego, then no, she'll never improve, she'll never learn.

>>61509287
it was so stupid to say it on the debut
she doesnt do collabs for now, but you have the warning that one day it will happen
like a fucking bright colored frog, you stay away

>>61515102
>one day it will happen
This is the thing. We're in only the first what like, 3 months of her existence? Will she be good still for a year? Two years? Three years? She'll fuck up eventually and then everyone will say "I FUCKING told you so" but it seems like the majority of the crowd didn't need to be told actually, people instinctively just avoid her.

>>61513172
>Bijou turned out the most popular
? In what world?

>>61514849
>her "respect mah collab choices" thing literally all by itself negates all of that. one memorable, quotable bad line does fucking incalculable damage.
It's funny because she literally didn't say that line, which makes it clear to me that you haven't even seen the clip.

>>61515230
It's only a slight paraphrasing of what she did say because it was kind of a meandering sentence and it carries 100% identical meaning.

>>61513985
Here you go dumbass.

>>61513985
Cont.
You simply can not give an estimate on how much one is earning on adsense alone because it's extremely hard to grasp without all the insider metric. Geography, retention rate, average watch time, cpm, etc. Some times, the VOD and video might not even be monetized.
Usually the longer the video the better, so music video like what makes up for most of Mori's view have a much lower rpm. Stream VODs can reach a really high rpm but it has to be VODs views because YT suck at playing ads on live-stream, live views just don't give as much adsense money because of that. The best case scenario, is when the viewer fell asleep to one of the VOD while watching it on their phone, they'll then automatically watch all the ads that were served to them without skipping. It's easy to do with ASMR but it's also scummy. So the common practice is that you don't put mid-rolls on ASMR, or put very little, and again, that makes it less valuable for adsense. That's why SC and member are much more reliable for content creators like Hololive and Vtubers in general.

>>61506659
I never got this retarded complaint. Her voice completely matches her look, she sounds like a schizo constantly on the verge of a mental breakdown

>>61506852
better than the literal manbabies watching fwmc

>>61506538
Because she's not really a numberfag and just wants to do her autistic things while building a small and dedicated fanbase.
Reason why she's one of the few Holos who completely skipped Suika game when everyone was getting massive views thanks to it.

>>61506538
No one knows what the hell she is talking about at any given moment

>>61509287
I unsubbed when she mentioned pronoun garbage

>>61511185
this ESL is seething, we really are among subhumans

>>61506538
No GFE

>>61511368
Its comes with the territory, as much as people deny it chuubas are almost like girlfriends to the viewer, its men whith no romantic closenes any other women, so they dump it on the chuuba. To be fair in exchange the chuuba gets money. If your average vtuber had a gf to tell him about her day while she plays with her hair or he gives her a feetrub, the industry would lose lots and lots of viewers.

>>61513172
>asian
>cute
Its like vtuber viewer catnip

I don't get the model disconnect points
She's a psycho autist playing a character that looks like a psycho autist. Literally what personality would fit her model better?
Is there an example indie that yoi think would fit her current model more than she does?

>>61506659
Her model looks like she saw Ramona Flowers and felt so empowered
Her voice sounds like she saw Ramona Flowers and felt so empowered
I don’t get what your point is

>>61517997
The first expectations before debut was massive GFE yandere menhera PLAP PLAP PLAP GET ME PREGNANT sex goddess. Some people got so much into that idea her actual voice left them disappointed, no matter how much it actually matched the model, they wanted THAT voice or bust.

>>61518242
Except nobody here knows what a geniune menhera goddess randere plapplap sex goddess sounds like.

>>61517997
They're coomers who thought she would sound like the literal porn soundpost that was being posted.

>>61506538
Shiori is the only interesting one

I love her content and the way her voice sounds but I already have an osha and I feel like I’m cheating on her when Shiori gets personal with chat

>>61506785
But Ame is the leader of Myth

>>61518359
Even more the reason why the expectations skyrocketed to stupid levels. There was also that one PLAP PLAP sound clip going around that was kinda what people wanted, to the point where they thought the chuuba herself was /here/ and posted it.

>>61518950
I dont remember the plap plap voice
Someone post it

>>61519493
https://vocaroo.com/11eKwOQYnGBG

>>61506538
She's fine in all departments, but she's incredibly hard to follow. She'll jump from story to story without any break for you to understand what she just said.

>>61506538
Bae also had the most subs before they debuted. Gura was also getting mogged before she said “A”.

Koyori was also the most popular predebut only to be a 3k ccv shitter like a few weeks after. She crawled herself out that hole tho so kudos to her

>>61506538
She fucked up the debut, put a red flag on herself as someone who was seemingly gonna collab with indie shit or males
That way I never gave her a chance, so even if she doesn't do that now and actually went the GFE way, it's too late

>>61506538
Voice debuff.

>>61517997
People wanted mommy goth gf whatever the fuck that means, people that say things like probably haven't even had sex.

>>61506538
>Most people watched Bijou

I never doubted her. My sparkling little gem....

>>61510661
The last person summed up that schizo well.
>I'm not like those parasocial guys Shiori
>spams her doxsite page

>>61509341
preach brother

>>61513172
Bijou is only popular in collabs because she can actually game. FWMC are the most popular girls in Advent.

>>61509335
Unrepentant whore charm

I never liked her in her PL (other than the ASMR) and I just can’t seem to like her now. I dunno what it is but I just cannot get into her and lord knows I wanted to given how hot her model is.

>>61515959
No one here has ever had any actual experience with real-life "goth" girls. They're all fat/chubby and sound like retarded larping nerds irl. Shiori's voice and personality fit her model unbelievably well.

>>61518471
this

>>61518900
It always makes me happy when one of the EN girls refers to Ame as the leader of HoloMyth. Reminds me of the days when they’d have to call her up to help with tech issues.

>>61506785
Well, one wrong thing about that. No one considers Kiara the leader of Myth. It's always been Ame. Yes, even now. Even though she technically doesn't do anything that a leader usually does. Those first formative months and the stuff she did for the girls for their 3d, the smols, and the impromptu studio stuff were more than enough to cement her as a leader.
That's just how it is.

>>61506538
She's boring as fuck, and she pushed a bunch of people out with the "I do what I want" attitude with the on-debut collab comments, which is weird considering she doesn't collab anyways so why she chose to do that is beyond me. I like her model more than the rest of advent but the RP shit she has going on in her fanbase is enough to filter me.

>>61506659
Her voice sounds like a high school teenager goth, I don't know what you mean. Are you another one of those "I wanted a sultry mommy" fags?

>>61525218
Well, then, that explains why myth has been in shambles for the past couple of years. The only one actually doing anything to wrangle anyone is Kiara.

It's funny how her sisters in NijiJP suffered the same fate. Sex design, boring streams. I was hoping they'd hire someone better for this design in Holo.

>>61506538
Every member of Advent except her is warm and welcoming. Every member of Advent except her has strong connections with at least one senpai.
Her heart is not really there. People can tell. "Oh you're so knowledgeable about VTubers, but what about hololive?" "Uh... I love Advent!" Please.
Add boring-ass game choices and you have low numbers.

>>61525218
Character wise she's also the leader, as the only human detective investigating the other weird myths. Her non-cannon fan-enforced "time travel" shit doesn't count

>>61506538
She likes Scaramouche from Genshin. That alone is enough to justify it.

>>61506538
Because everybody knew who she was on debut and decided to steer clear

>>61506538
Pebblebros we run this shit

>>61515230
>Autist needs to have something said to him exactly what they mean otherwise he won't understand what they're trying to say.
"S-She didn't say EXACTLY those words! That's not what she was trying to say at all!!"

>>61523515
I was more concerned about which shitty indie friends she was going to try and drag into the holobox than collabs with guys. the break so soon after debut put her low on my priority list

>>61527187
>than collabs with guys
I mean, most of her indie friends are dudes and not a single one of them is a big content creator. Funny thing is that one of them even raid a Bae stream recently, so they are trying to get a piece of that clout

>>61506538
Retarded debut behavior and impending male collabs

>>61506538
She fell off for a reason

>>61506538
Hot model, boring content.

>>61506538
Plays bad games nobody cares for, does bad handcam shit, won't integrate into Hololive, refuses to do idol reps, constantly talks about her husbandos or private friend group, walls herself off emotionally. And then the PL yabs.

>>61513985
Completely wrong, stream revenue (memberships, ad money, SCs) is bigger than merch and sponsorships

she took a break in her critical growth phase

>>61506538
Imagine Shiori's model with Miori's voice. Everyone watching the debut would involuntary cream themselves.

>>61528940
and she's taking another break in December wasted fucking slot

>>61516269
Now say that again without crying.

so did she actually stop doing GFE or are people just doomposting?

>>61528972
>replacing a NTR obsessed chuuba with a different NTR obsessed chuuba
what's the point?

>>61506538
What I don't understand is how Fuwamoco aren't the most popular members by far when they are easily the best HoloEN members in Hololive.
I guess cunny is just that powerful, even if they are boring as fuck.

>>61531068
Like I said, how are you supposed to gosling over twins. You can't

>>61531120
anon, people gosling over girls who talk about fucking their boyfriends on stream.

>>61531219
Can you consider them people at that point?

>>61531120
Bijou gives people even less to work with then them. CGDCT has always been the real draw, not GFE.

>>61531120
Watch me.

>>61506785
a. isn't ame the leader of myth?
b. isn't ame the runt of myth? I thought Kiara was doing ok because she is the only myth in her time slot, the only myth to consistently stream and she kept having Gura on to pump her numbers

>>61529048
I know you'd be so much better if you were there instead, babe.

>>61531437
Kiara has the lowest Myth subs and usually the lowest average CCV, and that despite streaming a lot. Her timeslot is trash, she plays a lot of debuff games, her voice is a hard sell.

Why is fucking thread still alive

>>61506538
>when she has such a hot model
Goth girl archetype is too white for weeb community. In contrast to dog girl or jewel-themed magical girl, or whatever Nerissa is.
>>61506659
>goth girl sounding like a goth girl is bad

I loved her minecraft stream, but she never plays it.

Shiori kinda feels like the opposite of Fuwamoco, the feelings when I look at her stuff is dark, unhinged and necrotic

doesn't really diversify her cointent

I really don't like scary stuff & indie horror games which is most of her stuff

>>61506538
A hot model and the blue dorito can only push a shitty vtuber so far, at some point she actually has to stop being bad

>>61506538
the people with the highest SCs have the lowest CCV

>>61510985
muh subs

I dropped in a while back into one of her streams and she was talking about irl friends and stuff. If I wanted that I'd watch a fleshtuber.

I'm an ex-Novelite and I just wanted her to do something well, but she's all over the place and unfocused and I can get a better experience elsewhere. Hurt me when she started distancing herself as well, GFE was the only thing she did good and she refuses to put out. Fucked up someone would trick their audience like that.

when I look at her thumbnails and titles sometimes I can't even tell if it's a game or some schizo shit. whatever the hell she's doing it's unique

>>61553615
Her stream descriptions are confusing. Her upcoming stream is an Open VC, but nowhere in the title or description does it say Open VC.