/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>60834191
> actually putting illegal non-compete clauses on their contracts
fucking hell, every single rrat that the nijifags push about hololive ends up getting reflected back onto their ass

>>60834283
They aren't illegal in Japan. Hololive had them too btw.

>>60834419
>more nijifag projection
kek

>>60834283
If Nijisanji has a non-compete clause then why does almost every single graduated liver resurface within a few weeks doing vtubing again? Sounds bullshit.
Strict restrictions typically means NDA, as in don't talk about the fact you worked for Nijisanji live on stream, don't leak company secrets, etc. Pretty standard for any vtuber company. To date the only person to break this NDA was Zaion because she's dumb as rocks.

>>60834191
Can anyone recognize who the streamer is from their speaking pattern? Is it Vox?

>>60834452
>If Nijisanji has a non-compete clause then why does almost every single graduated liver resurface within a few weeks doing vtubing again? Sounds bullshit.
The easy answer is that they do have such a clause, it's just unenforceable in the west.

>>60834419
>Hololive had them too btw
Source?

>>60834191
>Japanese corporations have strict rules
More news at 10. It does seem like there's more of an expectation to fill a role for content creation under a character vs "here's a model, do your thing"

>>60834452
My guess is that they can only make them work with JP livers, but they also try to threaten EN crowd with them in hopes they don't know any better and will play along as a result. Which obviously is no true, seeing as both Nina and Mysta keep talking shit about Kurosanji

>>60834452
if you fire someone by definition NDA no longer applies
Also NDAs only work in Japan anyway so to Zaion or all the other nijien vtubers they are worth about as much as the stuff I use to wipe my ass this morning

>>60834612
you clearly don't know anything about NDA expiration

>>60834544
Probably his ass. Neither Kson nor Nazuna had any issue making contents after graduation / being fired, and both of them live in JP. If Hololive has
>strict restrictions as to what content they can and can’t create once their contracts with the agency expire
those must have been pretty loose.

>>60834539
>>60834581
That's retarded, as my point didn't just apply to NijiEN graduations. L*l* and Gibara resurfaced as vtubers within a few days of their graduations. They would've been instantly sued if such a clause existed.
I'm not suggesting vtuber corpos don't have some shady clauses in their contracts, but non-competes don't really make sense. It wouldn't discourage people from graduating, it'd just discourage them from working for you in the first place.

>>60834539
this sounds like something that could have a run-off effect

>>60834283
A tale as old as time. It happens every single time. Without fail.

>>60834191
>nijisanji article
>use gura as seo bait

>“Agencies should allow for talents to experiment, so long as it isn’t hurting anyone,” says the source.
it hurts the "brand", not that nijisanji has a good brand image these days
but when you're using their brand and their resources, you're subject to their rules
imagine if someone who doesn't care about vtubers joins hololive solely to use it for promoting male collabs, fleshtubers, their roommate's activities, etc,
wouldn't that be terrible?

>>60834678
>Probably his ass.
Oh I know, I just like to give them the benefit of the doubt cause it makes it look much worse when they are in fact full of shit.

the article doesn't even mention non-competes. from public documents, we know there are exclusivity clauses, but the gap between graduation and redebut can be attributed to the time it takes to make a new model

>>60834191
>Both Hololive and Nijisanji give creators very little freedom in terms of presentation, whereas newer agencies such as Idol allow talents to create their own concepts.
IDOL CHADS WE FINALLY DID WHAT THE CATALOG ASKED AND BOUGHT AN AD

>>60834751
It's more of a big corpos vs creativity freedom / small corpos and indies, actually (and perhaps an Idol shill). They just couldn't interview any Holo member

>>60834191
This anonymous Niji member is Selen, isn't it?

>>60834191
>put gawr gura in URL
>barley mention her
algorithm manipulation lmao

Non-compete clauses are unenforceable most of the time because the corporation would have to prove that the offending party knowingly caused economic damage, which is hard to prove unless a vtuber does something like poaching sponsors from the corpo right after leaving. They exist mostly to scare people who don't know better.

>>60834897

>Both Hololive and Nijisanji give creators very little freedom in terms of presentation

Reminder.
https://youtu.be/0pkv5gh5Dhg?t=1058
>But to be honest when I joined I thought there would be a lot more company led work. Which I th- now, nowadays there is more. But I realized once I joined that there wasn't very much before me- a lot- it was very much talent led and it's been talent led.
>And it ended up being like that...for... me! I was like "Oh shoot! Wait! I didn't, I didn't realize this!" Like this was even before debut I-I started to realize and was like "oh...oh wow. Basically everything is up to us! I see, I see, I see!" I thought I was in to be bossed around a lot more. I was like "Huh. Nice."
>But I went in a bit overwhelmed when this became clear to me. I was very-I was like "what on earth do I do? Wait I hav- I feel- I have...power to, like, do what- like kinda just basically do almost anything I want? Freedom? Freedom is scary!" I didn't know what to do, I remember.

>>60834708
>They would've been instantly sued if such a clause existed.
I'm not familiar with either of their new selves but if they came back as independents, then I don't think a non-compete can be applied. Right?

>>60835019
either vox or mysta

>>60835019
Sounds like a numberfag with a relatively formal cadence so my guess is Vox

>>60834191
>nijisanji are literal subhuman trash
SURPRISING FUCKING NOBODY

>>60835104
To play devil's advocate (and assuming it wasn't just a shill piece), that article *probably* meant things like
>Collabs with streamers without going through management
>Hand / facecam streams
>Possibly more controversial streams (i.e: politics or overly sexual)
>Twitch-style reaction streams
And in that sense, Holo / Niji definitely are way stricter than small corpos and indies. I don't think it's bad, though

>>60835224
if that's true why are nijifags still in denial?

>>60835133
Goo goo gabba gee gee
Mysta is no longer working for Nijisanji

>>60835019
Not enough laughing or raging to be Selen

>>60835395
who knows when that interview was taken, and if mysta was on the way out he might just not give a shit anymore

>>60834191
>says a streamer with agency Nijisanji who is not approved to speak publicly
So…
who is it?

>>60834283
non-compete and nondisclosure are not the same thing

>>60834191
>Both Hololive and Nijisanji give creators very little freedom in terms of presentation, whereas newer agencies such as Idol allow talents to create their own concepts.
This article is literally Jew propaganda

>>60834612
That's why Magni and Vesper 'graduated'.
They're still bound by their NDA.

>>60834283
what's illegal about it?

>>60834191
Literally spreading misinformation for clicks.

>>60835464
Mysta doesn't talk nearly as eloquently as that

>>60834967
It's an obvious idol shill.
>fit neatly into the clearly defined boxes some agencies slot them into
The appearance of the model doesn't mean jack shit when it comes to what content you're "allowed" to pursue.

Buy an ad Moshe how many threads are you gonna make about this shit article from some shit website

>>60834581
Neither of them are directly mentioning Nijisanji they're just saying how nice it is to be in a place with good management
Believe me even if a contract isn't practically enforceable they don't want to fuck around with it and find out

>>60835308
But they're attaching that argument into one about the look of the model as if that matters in any way.

Sounds like someone is trying to get some changes done through outside or inside pressure, I just don't think that is going to work.

>>60835019
It's Vox

>>60835545
>the source from Nijisanji mentions that some talents have been given strict restrictions as to what content they can and can’t create once their contracts with the agency expire
maybe read the post you're discussing first.

>>60834452
>Pretty standard for any company.
ftfy

I read this article in everyone in NijiEN's voice and both Vox and Aia are my top candidates

>>60834191
>some talents have been given strict restrictions as to what content they can and can’t create once their contracts with the agency expire.
I bet Pomu is prohibited from being a vtuber ever again or work for another agency like Nina did and that is why she will never quit.

Honestly as much as I hate niji, it's quite blatant this article is just a fluff piece paid by Idol

>>60835784
NIJISEETHE

>>60836148
If it shits on nijisanji it's good in my book

>>60835209
assuming the journo actually quoted verbatim and didn't paraphrase to make the quotes fit the tone of the article better

>Independent VTuber NagamiMugi feels as though “corporate VTubing” is still a viable avenue for those looking to make a career out of the medium that can support content creation full-time.
>I think VTubing content has become kind of stale
>She goes on to mention that a lot of VTubers tend to be boxed into specific kinds of content — playing Minecraft or popular FPS games like Valorant
based anti-block game and anti-arena streamer

>>60834191
They're all gonna get a spanking for that, aren't they

>>60834191
Sounds like you need some of that Talent Freedom™ bro

>>60834678
Kson joined Vshojo exactly one year after she graduated, down to the day.

>Both Hololive and Nijisanji give creators very little freedom in terms of presentation, whereas newer agencies such as Idol (https://www.idol-company.com) allow talents to create their own concepts. While that may feel overwhelming to some, it allows for the talents behind these models to flex their creativity and create a persona that otherwise wouldn’t fit neatly into the clearly defined boxes some agencies slot them into
TALENT FREEDOM

>>60834452
What's the matter sister, you're afraid of former livers exposing your black company?

>>60834191
>Agencies should allow for talents to experiment, so long as it isn’t hurting anyone
Making peepee poopoo jokes and doing react content is not experimenting. I'm glad most corps prohibit this kind of content. If the talent can't come up with something unique without resorting to that, then the fault lies with them, not the corp.

>>60836296
If you dislike being in the box more than you like the numbers of the box, simply leave the box
>but i HAVE to
I guess it is like a job after all

>vtubing is dying for real this time!

>>60836489
which one?

>>60836459
because that's when anime expo was

>>60836148
Idol or Vshojo, yeah. The timing with the debut and all the "omg it's so much better here" comments are hella sus.

>>60836101
Cope harder pomunigger, Pomu has allways been the biggest anykara bootlicker and loves the taste of Riku's boot soles.

>>60836449
Based
Niggers need to go

>>60836683
That's her live reacting to Coco's graduation announcement, your point?

>>60834191
Idol paid for this

>>60836533
>peepee poopoo jokes and react content
It actually is about not being able to do this kek. A majority of the largest western indies rely on phoning it in with this shit, and to be fair, western viewers broadly do not appreciate effort streams (from a soulless # perspective)

>>60834283
if it's illegal then you don't have to abide by it

>>60834535
It could be Vox, Ike, Pomu, Selen, Fulgur, anyone currently in the branch. So long as they're generally well spoken and very aware of the writing on the wall and that the branch is already past its prime, which probably rules out at least half of the branch members.

>>60834191
>>“Agencies should allow for talents to experiment, so long as it isn’t hurting anyone,” says the source. “Let people fail and still have that opportunity for growth in the future. More risk-taking and trying to branch out in other ways instead of simply just streaming or following preestablished methods.”
ITS POMU AIEEEEEEEE

>>60836683
That's her going menhera over Coco graduating, none of the graduated holos have talked shit about holo agter leavinf or written a 20 page exposé about the managemen, (well, besides Rushia who seems to still think that email conversations with her manager don't count as company-internal information and that her firing was orchestated by a jealous Aqua)

>>60834539
It's also generally unenforceable in Japan because of their American-baked Constitution. Some exceptions exist for sensitive or high level roles, which doesn't apply to a mere vtuber.

>>60837168
>western viewers broadly do not appreciate effort streams (from a soulless # perspective)
It's more that they are ironically parasocial and would rather just watch a streamer react to a youtube video they linked in the chat while talking to their "bros" in the chat.
A stream with any amount of planning that doesn't involve the viewer just doesn't have the same "community" appeal.

>>60837450
>no one who graduated from holo wrote a hit piece about the company like a certain menhera, oh except for this other menhera

>>60834191
Its funny how much the article wants to make things about Hololive, but both lacks the connection for interviews or much knowledge about them.

>Let people fail and still have that opportunity for growth in the future.
That's a nice idea, but the "lets own 4chan" stream. Vtubers should experiment and branch out more but I don't think corpo restrictions the problem. EN vtubers have settled for a niche and are not really trying to reach out of it. Your humour and style is either Holo-lite or overly online twitter addict. This also creates issues with who they are reaching out to work with. HoloJP have appeared at baseball games and on chocolate. In the west they're a regular feature at anime cons at most. Cultural issues make this harder but cracking that shell is the only route to new growth.

>>60836444
Riku is going to order 50 lashes to every member of the EN branch as a lesson

>>60834191
>if I'm honest
It's Vox isn't it? He says this all the time

>>60837168
>western viewers broadly do not appreciate effort streams
We appreciate effort, just not from VTubers
That’s why we don’t watch vtubers

>>60837436
>>60837224
I want it to be Pomu so she gets out of niji and does some gfe asmr

>>60837697
>actual cases of management abuse and incompetence, some of them even documented like the stealth suspension vs Michael literally saying that her firing was unjustified because all she leaked were conversations with her manager which don't count as company-internal communications because she didn't mention anything classified in them.

>>60836459
>Kson joined Vshojo exactly one year after she graduated, down to the day.

You do realize if there was a non-compete clause in her contract, it wouldn't have started the second she finished her graduation stream. It would have started the next day. If she actually did have a full year non-compete clause, that would have violated it.

>>60838077
Did you have to put all of that in green text

>>60837878
In nijisanji JP several people have been advertisements for literally everything. Like there was a shoe store a while back that was using nijisanji members for advertising. I'm pretty sure they've also been featured on chocolate more than once too.
Corpo restrictions are the problem solely because of game restrictions imo. Hololive and niji would benefit immensely from opening up a subsidiary in the US and operating their talents under that which would bypass legal restrictions for streaming any game since content could then fall under fair use.

>>60834283
Also I'm about 90% positive this is just referring to the fact that they can't mention they were nijisanji members outside of their workplace. A non complete clause doesn't make sense when you consider that several JPs graduated and went back to being indies or signed up for other companies almost immediately and the same goes for en.

>>60838093
Non-compete clauses outright banning from working in the same industry are illegal, chances are that her non-compete said something along the lines of her not joining another company during the duration of the agreement .

>>60838003
This is how I know catalogfags never actually watch streams.

>>60834191
>linking polygon
>nobody called op a faggot and told him to archive it
This board is hopeless.

>>60838371
Tribalfaggot SEAfags on ad and tracking riddled smartphones are exactly why the internet is becoming shittier and shittier by the day. This is just another symptom of it.

>>60836465
>The article was Israeli propaganda all along

>>60836818
Quite the opposite, she's talked multiple times about management rejecting her projects, shooting down opportunities that were offered to her, talked about how she wasn't given input on outfits while everyone else was allowed to, talked about how Anycolor is delaying her Home3D for an entire year, etc.

Its probably Sayu, doubt anyone within the company itself would do this right now.
Also, the entire article just reads like one big slander piece on Vtubing in general, but somehow the monkeys turned it into tribal shit.

>>60838246
Perms are annoying, but more so for current fans and talent. If we're talking about generally growing Vtubing then very rarely have Holos or Nijis been told they can't play a big game when it is getting the most attention. Its usually smaller or older games that might make good content but likely won't make big number go up.

You could look at it in a more abstract sense like it'd be hard for them to become a poketuber, not only always playing the games but doing the general content around it. Due to the restrictions on what media they could use. Or maybe a true esports vtuber with the extra logistical work related to them attending events. That's bigger than just game perms tho.

>>60838620
>outfit
a single one her first she never wanted a maid outfit.
>delaying her Home3D
wanted changed to be done 3d artist working on other ones has to be sent to the back of the line.
>she's talked multiple times about management rejecting her projects, shooting down opportunities that were offered to her
this is just anycolor being fucking retarded and is fully on them

>>60834191
ssg kurosanji

>>60834191
>put Gura in the url
>mention her once in passing
lol, lmao even. Polygon never stopped being trash.

>>60836459
One year and two days you mean, because that's when they hold that convention.

>>60838682
Yeah, this whole article reeks of "corpo vtuber is dying for real this time, except for Idol™ Corp™ who is the best vtuber company out there #notsponsored" but since it throws jabs at niji, people here just ate that shit up.

>>60838246
>Corpo restrictions are the problem solely because of game restrictions imo. Hololive and niji would benefit immensely from opening up a subsidiary in the US and operating their talents under that which would bypass legal restrictions for streaming any game since content could then fall under fair use.
Brave Group opened up a US subsidiary for their EN group V4Mirai and they still have to wait for permissions for games and karaoke.

>>60835692
They can't prevent you from joining another company in the same area, that's a biding to discourage you from leaving their company in seek of better opportunities. It's very common in Japan, US tech companies also enforce that shit, but it won't fly in Europe and other countries with decent laws despite it being in your contract or not.

>>60834544
nazuna

>>60839000
Honestly no one here is really eating it up
That’s how you know how shit it is

>>60838770
Except we have seen that more than once. When pizza tower was the hot new thing neither holo or Niji were allowed to stream it for literal months until it fell out of popularity and nobody was thinking "boy I really wanna see that pizza tower playthrough"

Several big games that blow up are either non monetizable or restricted which is why a lot of members return to Minecraft time and time again. Even Non fotm shit ends up getting restricted , not to mention stuff like mods and even browser games can fall under restricted content.

>>60835019
Yeah it's probably Vox like the other replies said given
>Twitchcon
>Numberfag
>the way the person speaks

>>60836148
It would be funny to imagine either Idol or Vshojo using their war cache of shekels to sink Anycolor's reputation even further, but I really don't think this is the case. Mostly because they got at least one currently employed Niji to be an anonymous source and air out their grievances and concerns with the branch, and partly because they interviewed one indie, making the article feels more like it's pro freedom and fuck JP corpo agency bullshit.

This is also just rrat territory, but I also think the changing tastes of western fanbases is another reason why there's so many people saying "Its so much better elsewhere". Holo can be "restrictive" for some, but it also makes sense considering how advertiser-friendly their image generally is, the benefits you get easily outweigh any cons that come with working for an agency that has to follow Japanese law. With NijiEN, you have a bunch of rowdy people acting like IRL/Twitch streamers, but with none of the benefits that come from being a western indie or from being part of a JP company. You have to follow JP copywrite law, you still have to worry about game permissions, your fanbase will typically side with the company and throw you under the bus, after a point you get more pros than cons.

>>60838785
>a single one her first she never wanted a maid outfit.
She did, which is the worst part. Back around debut she said she would probably wait and get a maid outfit for like her 3rd or 4th outfit. One of the later ones that she could tailor it to the way she liked. Instead, Anycolor forced one on her that she was not allowed to give input on, for whatever fucked-up reason (since Elira and Finana talked about how they were able to customize their outfits. Also not to mention how they made Elira and Finana princess while they forced Pomu to be a fucking maid - talk about degrading). So now if she wants the maid outfit that she originally wanted, she'd have to waste outfit tickets to get a 2nd maid outfit.
>wanted changed to be done 3d artist working on other ones has to be sent to the back of the line.
Not an issue with the art, it's actually an issue with the rigging, because her model was glitching out both during her 3D debut, as well as the AX 3D performance. It's not really a good look for Anycolor to delay it for so long for just a rigging fix. Especially since they wanted to use it for promotional purposes.

>>60839029
That's retarded and on them then because under US laws you don't have to worry about permissions. Shit just look at the en talents of vsj

>>60837436
Doesn't match with the way Pomu talks

>>60839177
Don't forget that vox hates the idea of vtubing and has said as much publicly. He doesn't understand the point and only watches fleshstreamers

>>60838341
They aren't illegal in Japan you nigger, how dumb are you?

>can't stream I need to whine to polygon

>>60839283
Yeah, he's the most successful grifter of vtubing

>>60836148
And Vox is retarded to let himself get used by the jews

>>60839218
It's likely that JP corporate autism dislikes the grey area that currently exists in the US and err on the side of caution. There's no legal ruling that things like Let's Plays or video game live streaming being fair use.

>>60839204
Eh, I still find it suspicious that the article essentially amounts to "vtuber is dying because corpos are restrictive and don't inovate, except for Idol who treats their talents well and lets them try new things".

>>60838682
It's Vox lol >>60839283
>>60837961

>>60834191
>Article randomly mentions Idol.
>No mention of VShojo whose whole concept is built around "talent freedom".
>Mentions Gura for some reason.
I think the author just made shit up.

>>60839142
>pizza tower
I really doubt Pizza Tower was the game set to take vtubing to new heights. The big games this year like BG3 haven't been an issue. Outside of many just skipping them. If anything ENs have an issue of not being able to make proper arcs out of bigger games. A fair number of JPs are doing SF6 arcs and we've even seen them crossover with the FGC in doing so. That's a good way to expand your base. Things like no monetization are lame. However that's short term thinking. If that can get you attention you build it into something bigger. Mods are one area they are screwed over though. I just don't see what game they missed which really undermined their success.

>>60839211
Ya I mean I say artist just because they use that as a catch all when it comes to that I have no idea how many internal riggers they have for either. on top of the no split for 2d/3d

>>60839487
EN talents working for japanese companies are under the japanese law as their channel is essentially japanese, so even if a game is western it'll often be distributed in Japan by a local publisher who then will fiercely enforce copyright strikes to protect their client.
When it comes to indies it's often the case of them not responding to contact inquiries either because they think it's not needed and too much of a hassle or because they're afraid of the legal consequences of "giving out perms".

>>60839571
You arent wrong, but I find it hard to believe that a website like Polygon which doesn't typically like lolis would be gung-ho for Idol, which is a company where a good amount of talents act like lewd lolis.

Whoever did this interview is actively a huge fucking idiot and an asshole
>The way they speak is very obvious
>most of the people in the branch speak in twitchlingo, peepeepoopoo, or are too busy in JP to do any interviews
>Polygon meaning nobody who doesnt look at social media for US a lot isn't going to pay attention to the request
Literally, this leaves only three people it could possibly be - Selen, Vox and Ike. They're an asshole for doing this too, and admitting there's an NDA, because once management sees someone went behind their backs to do this and break NDA means more trust is going to be destroyed, if there was any left after the GC fiasco and Luxiems unprofessionalism with "COVID"

>>60839883
Nijiseethe

>>60839754
I mean fair enough but still. Having to wait for perms for song covers. No English covers 90% of the time, no mods for games and even karaokes being incredibly restricted all kinda suck ass.
Several indie games and even stuff like kh are unable to be played by en due to perms autism. F

>>60837961
Oh fuck you're right kek. It's him yeah because Ike and Selen, the only other people it could be, don't say that

>>60839808
Is a US subsidiary of a Japanese company still under Japanese law?

>>60839883
Sounds like Vox to me and he is definitely an asshole. I don't think his mates will appreciate it.

>>60839883
I'm certain that what was stated is a common feeling among all EN livers and that this is a cry for help from one of them more than anything

>>60839831
As if they wouldn't look to the other side for the right amount of sheckels.

If anything, if this was a hit piece against vtubing in general they would have twisted Idol as promoting pedophilia by forcing their talents to play loli characters.

>>60839883
Does Niji have something shameful to hide, intern-kun?

>>60834191
Pomu...

Oh boy the rats are escaping the sinking ship!

>I have to be honest
https://youtu.be/ZqdEC8tirOo?t=2230

>>60834191
niji never stops being a fucking joke lmao

>>60834283
sucks for JP but its legal there, I doubt it would be enforceable on EN vtubers unless they live in Japan.

>>60834419
>Hololive had them too btw.
The major corpos have non-compete clauses and it's why talents couldn't do vtuber work on YouTube on for a long time.

>>60840280
>I am Vox Akuma. I will do a anonymous interview with a major publication
>I will reveal we have an NDA, thereby breaking the NDA. The most major corporate bullet point
>I will speak exactly like how I do on stream, and say something literally only I say
>I will never be caught
What was he cooking in his mind

>>60834419
I wouldnt be surprised if its true, but there isnt much evidence for this.

>>60840424
le retard de vox akuma...

>>60840280
You've convinced me, it probably is Vox. Which also means he will probably graduate when his contract is up.

>>60834191
>Nijisanji who is not approved to speak publicly
oh no~ the next termination and incoming nijifags deflection and projection threads.

>>60840424
Meth, or that pasta (Was it chicken? I don't remember) dish that got him busted a while back for having a GF.

>>60840530
or they unperson him before that. But he will find a good spot in Vshojo along with Kuro.

>>60837193
>ignore illegal contract
>company with a better legal team than you sues you
Unless you want to be in extreme debt for years from lawyer fees then you don't want to do that. These companies plan on bleeding you out before you can win.

>>60840424
He is trying to get fired to move to vshojo

>>60839354
They exist in a legal grey area in Japan where they aren't explicitly legal but aren't outright illegal, and have to be brought to court and evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

Most people chose not to fight them because even if the court rules in your favor you still end up burdened with a bunch of legal expenses, not to mention that it can take months or even years in court, meaning that you might as well just have let the clause expire and save yourself all the money and trouble.

>>60834191
>>60834419
One post, ah-hah-hah...
Two posts, ah-hah-hah!
Two posts until a mindbroken anon brought up Hololive out of nowhere! Two!

>>60840030
It absolutely is a feeling shared by a fair chunk of NijiEN. This year in its entirety was a major blow to morale, they saw how their "fanbase" can turn on them with Zaion, they probably know more than we do about management's incompetence, the issue of game permissions is more of an annoyance than anything when they can see other people stream nearly whatever when they feel like it, and Anycolor or their male talents specifically just stick with following what works because they know it makes money.

>>60840424
I would not be shocked if this was a "fuck it" moment. He's not happy in Niji like Mysta was, so might as well try and use external pressure and force to improve the situation for everyone or just leave, either through a regular graduation or a full on termination.

>>60840862
Its impressive it wasn't the first one Count.

>>60840744
looking forward to 5 pages long termination list and his former coworkers throwing him under the bus.

>>60840862
>out of nowhere

>>60840424
He either has already checked out and is waiting his turn for graduation (no more than 1 graduation allowewd per month on niji, remember) and doesn't give a fuck or he renewed his contract for the nexte year as a retard and is now trying to get himself fired to get out of it.

Or maybe he's just that retarded and I'm giving him too much credit.

>>60840424
He's too high on his own farts for sure.

>>60840945
I cant wait to read the mental gymnastics sisters will be doing about how he was always a gross weirdo and his bfe content was over the line and bla bla bal.

>>60840744
I await the day Vshojo just becomes NijiEN without the Niji

>>60840744
>He is trying to get fired to move to vshojo
Would starting huge drama so people pay attention to your graduation be a viable way to create hype for your Vshojo debut?

>>60839984
Technically no, but we don't know how the autist jp publishers would react. They could still technically go nuclear and force the US subsidiary to geoblock all their content in Japan which is not ideal.

>>60839108
No one here you mean. Because who the fuck /here/ takes Polygon seriously.

>>60840744
>Youtube says he can't upload lewd ASMRs anymore
>Leave Nijisanji
>Join Vshojo
>Become Vshojo's next Chaturbate vtuber

>>60840862
It's completely applicable in this context? Stop trying to police threads - I don't even watch the nijisanjers.

>>60841358
Many such cases. In fact I'm surprised this doesn't have a slur yet.

>>60841358
It was, but hasn't he moved from that kind of content for a while now? I could see why he would want to start over from scratch without having the "bfe unicorn friendly" image that prevents people from getting in now that the unicorns left

>>60841693
>kson's first cb stream
>did I ever tell you guys how ntr is my favorite genre

>>60841693
Based but he can just do that on Twitch. All those korean ASMR sluts do it there.

>>60840424
so, now the question is "when"

>>60834191
>direct linking to polygon
don't do that

Truly the best possible time for Vox to do this interview.

It's obviously a male. None of the girls have the brains or guts to be this bold. Reading through thread others came to the same conclusion.

>>60841136
I buy that he's suiciding but it's still awful for the others that JP management is going to trust them even less now

>>60838371
>Liking polygon SJW cuckery in the first place.
Holy shit this board is worse than Reddit garbage and /trash/ together. Even /lgbt/ and /pol/ sure are more pathetic.

>>60841394
NijiEN talents without NijiEN management sounds pretty fine to me dayo

>>60842486
>Kyo
>Vox
>Finana
>Hex
>Kotoka
No thanks

>>60842486
a shame for you that this isn't even close to be happening

>>60842486
>NijiEN
>management

>>60834191
> VTubers have reached their inevitable conclusion
What a crap clickbait title.

>>60841783
lol you've been mad about this for 2 years now

>>60842589
So we any different to SJW right now huh. Holobros. Holochads.

You know it would be incredibly funny if Vox breaking NDA out in the open caused the AR live to get cancelled a second time because of JP management losing their last bit of faith in EN

funny how the article is shitting on hololive but holofags are ignoring that kek

>>60842841
Yeah but the HoloEN members all knew better than to break their NDA unlike Vox

>>60834191
>"Agencies should allow for talents to experiment, so long as it isn’t hurting anyone,” says the source. “Let people fail and still have that opportunity for growth in the future. More risk-taking and trying to branch out in other ways instead of simply just streaming or following preestablished methods.”
As much I hate niji this sound like a faggot, if you want that make your own company, no one is obligated to be a babysitter to their employees

>>60834708
>*l* and Gibara resurfaced as vtubers within a few days of their graduations
No they didn't. Lulu graduated June 2021, Unou debuted July 2022. Gibara was pngtuber for a while too.

>>60842978
theres no proof of this being vox or any member, doubt anything will come from this

>>60843028
gundou did less than a week later

>>60843028
Yes. Exactly. It takes a long fucking time to make a Vtuber model, and we saw that Sayu, Kuro and cockroach all popped up really quickly

>>60843061
>There's no proof
He talks exactly like Vox does. If he's enough of a coward to lie about it being him then EN is fucked completely since management will be grilling each member to find out the rrat and destroy the AR live

>>60843217
that's what you want to happen but none of that will be a thing

>>60842841
The only mention of hololive was about them shutting down HoloCN "without warning", Vesper/Magni's "mysterious" graduation and the usual "muh talent freedumb" argument before shilling Idol.

Nice try, sis.

>>60834191
Holy shit, this source never worked on his life?
Niji is scummy but when you get a job you do what's expected from you, do you want the whole world to bend backwards to you until you find something that you're good?

>>60834191
>>“Agencies should allow for talents to experiment, so long as it isn’t hurting anyone,” says the source. “Let people fail and still have that opportunity for growth in the future. More risk-taking and trying to branch out in other ways instead of simply just streaming or following preestablished methods.”
This is definitely Millie kek.

It wasn't vox, it was me.

>>60843387
It's not Millie because her English isn't that good nor does it talk like her. Also she wouldn't talk to polygon, a normie video game website for Americans

>>60837224
>pomu
>well spoken
Bitch doesn't know what a trillion dollars is.

>>60843322
>“Seeing agencies like Hololive and Nijisanji shut down entire branches or graduate talents without any real kind of information is heartbreaking for just about everyone involved in the process,” the source says.

>In 2020, Hololive shuttered its Chinese division, graduating more than a handful of streamers. More recently, Nijisanji announced the abrupt graduation of one of its more prominent talents, Mysta Rias. He revealed that his choice to leave Nijisanji was due to burnout. And in August, the parent company of Hololive, Cover Corporation, announced that two talents would be graduating from its Holostars division barely a year after debuting. Statements from the graduating talents were not provided outside of an official announcement from Cover.

>Both Hololive and Nijisanji give creators very little freedom in terms of presentation, whereas newer agencies such as Idol allow talents to create their own concepts. While that may feel overwhelming to some, it allows for the talents behind these models to flex their creativity and create a persona that otherwise wouldn’t fit neatly into the clearly defined boxes some agencies slot them into.

>According to both of the people we interviewed for this story, this is an agreed-upon sentiment — that to prevent further stagnation, this not-so-niche form of content creation needs to reinvent itself and allow more freedom to its talents. Time will tell if larger agencies like Hololive (which reported 50% growth in its 2023 financial report) and Nijisanji will allow their talents to break the mold.

Sure, if you ignored the text

>>60834283
Who are you quoting?

>>60843322
>this is somehow not shitting on them
Delusional.

>>60843130
I still remember some nijinigs trying to cope saying that Gundou wasn't chased out of the company and didn't renew her contract because of her health issues only for her to re-debut with the blob avatar less than a week later, lmao.

>>60834191
Every day I pray to allah for every polygon employee to die violent painful slow deaths and I'm an atheist.

This fluff piece speaks more about idol and aviel desu.

>>60843497
I don't get it, you are literally proving my point.

>>60843322
so they were shitting on them. The only positive things said in that article was about idol

>one might argue they sold out when joining hololive, or that the entire model is predicated on selling out. that said, cool little piece — i had no idea this stuff was drying up.

thats what polygon do to normies

>>60843808
>Polygon "journalists" shill the jewish company and run smear campaigns about their competitors
Gee, who could have predicted this.

>>60840394
Good luck enforcing them in the land of the free. Even fucking Commiefornia made them illegal.

>>60834283
>>60834419
Cover's only restriction is they can't sign with another agency at the same time they're signed to Cover. This isn't a secret, it's literally written on the audition form.

>>60835636
No, not really. Since in the state they currently are living the NDA are unenforceable by law.

>>60843497
>if you ignored the text
People ignored it because everyone knows why hololive china was shut down, why Magni and Vesper left, and that the whole "hololive is evil and restrictive and forces their talents as seiso idols at gunpoint" argument is older than this board.

>>60842841
So the article also had a hololive member provide an anonymous interview? I had no idea! Those damn holobronies hid that fact from me all this time by not posting about it.

>>60844351
the article isnt only that, its about vtuber en industry and it talks both abotut niji and holo

>>60844633
And a niji liver thrashing nijisanji/vtubing in general is the biggest thing about it

>>60844633
But the thread is about there being a nijisanji member giving an interview and how that gives some validity to what's being said about nijisanji. Did you really just post in a thread without even reading the OP?
Why would anyone give a shit about baseless trash talk about hololive that has been seen several times since the beginning of time?

>>60844837
>>60844794
the article isnt about nijisanji en, its about vtubing in general and corporate vtubers, a little interpretation of text

>>60844324
I do wonder where they got their info on hololive from, because it's uninformed at best, or purposefully misleading to make them look bad at worst. They just skip over the reason holoCN shut down (it was impossible to keep them under the circumstances) and then regurgitate the ~talent freedom~ argument that has been around since before this board or even hlgg existed

>>60845171
>the article isnt about nijisanji en
The thread is, mouthbreather.
You also failed to answer why these damn brainwashed holobronies should care about what some random writer has to say.

>>60834191
>polygon
Kill yourself and why aren't you banned yet

>>60844837
their main example of shutting down branches is hololive and not nijisanji, even though kr and id just did last year, so sure, its not also about hololive, even though their ~source~ mention both hololive and nijisanji

>>60845357
kek i like how OP ignored that part because if mentions hololive, so obvious where they came from
>“Seeing agencies like Hololive and Nijisanji shut down entire branches or graduate talents without any real kind of information is heartbreaking for just about everyone involved in the process,” the source says.

>>60845561
yeap op is an obvious holofag trying to distract from the obvious ifnos being given about hololive

>>60845288
Why should anyone? The article is literally
>Working for Japanese corps sucks join Idol EN guys!!
The only reason this thread is at all about Niji is two reasons.
A: vox, a mentally unstable retard who hates vtubing in general spoke to a reporter and not someone like Mori
B: this is the holo board. We hate Niji.

The article isn't even anything new. Nobody likes perms autism. Ame complained several times about her managers shutting down her ideas and Kiaras complained about being ghosted by management for up to a year.
It's almost like working for people who voluntarily work themselves to death on a yearly basis is God awful and the only reason anyone does it is because it pays good.

>>60834678
Nazuna wasn't allowed to stream on youtube because the character belonged to Vshojo.

>>60845263
Journalists are lying niggers that's why.

>>60845669
But the "source" is a self-professed Niji talent, they have no info on hololive and everything mentioned in the article is the stuff you'd see in mild hololive anti posting from 2020

> larger agencies like Hololive (which reported 50% growth in its 2023 financial report) and Nijisanji
This contrast is so funny kek

>>60845263
It's Vox talking about hololive lol. Probably has no idea who Coco was or afraid to say anything negative about china.

>>60834191
ok so which one self reported

>>60845263
The whole article is a hitpiece on corporate vtubing at best and a paid ad by Idol at worst. The pancreas spilling the beans about Niji's NDA and non-compete clauses was just an useful idiot giving sone sort of validity to the whole thing

>>60845263
Polygon are lying piece sof shit that constantly push agendas and I'd celebrate if they died.

>>60843415
- Says an anonymous user on a Mongolian basket weaving forum who may or may not be approved to speak publicly.

>>60846204
Again the non complete clause is 100% a misinterpretation at best though since both Nina and Mysta came back in under a year and stream whatever the fuck they want to.
Gundou came back in less than a year and even before her people like Lulu also came back in a short span of time.

It's either vox talking out his ass or it's possible that he meant that you're not allowed to discuss that you were in nijisanji after your contract is up which is the same for hololive

>>60837472
I know about japan's history and how they got their parliament but at the same time these are the same people with a retarded take on fair use (aka perms hell) so who knows what their noncompete laws are lol

Come to Vshounen, Vox. Your pay will quadruple and you won't have any restrictions. hex will take your place.

ah yes, the one time polygon is "appreciated" lmao

>>60846375
Everyone is retarded about this for some reason even though it's easy to infer from observable evidence:
>Both companies have an NDA that still applies after you leave. This is legal and fairly normal
>Cover allows people to keep streaming on their personal channels while signed to them, but not join another agency
>Anycolor does not allow people to stream outside of Niji whatsoever
>Neither has a non-compete that lasts after they quit, because this is illegal in Japan unless you pay the person a market-competitive salary to not work, and lol they're not doing that

>>60846375
Vox said there was an NDA not a non-compete. There's a difference

>>60845887
Nijisanji had 80% growth. they only posted about it because of a siliconera article

>>60846621
>>60846589
Yeah it's just polygon either completely misinterpreting the restrictions post graduation or its vox being retarded.

What are the chances Polygon made up this "anonymous source"?

>>60846773
If they did they'd get sued or a very negative social media reaction if they didn't Vox gets a vacation or worse

>>60846773
They're 'jOurNaLiStS" so
56%?

>>60846773
I'd say 50-50, I could very well them doint it but we also know there is plenty of people wanting out of NijiEN stuck there either because of their contract or because of Anykara's policy of spacing out graduations to reduce the jmpact on the company's image

>>60840424

>>60845171
>the article isnt about nijisanji en, its about vtubing in general and corporate vtubers, a little interpretation of text
Holy fucking deflection Batman! Nijikeks are something else.

>>60846773
God I hope it's not Pomu. I hope she's not stupid enough to do this.
>B-b-but its an anonymous source
There's like 10 people in NijiEN, whoever decided to talk to the news as an anonymous niji source is already out (which, you have 4 to pick from) or already 1 foot out the door, or is Enna level retarded.

And given how bad Nijimanagement is, I'd assume they'd let the Enna mob 'deduce' who dunnit.

>>60835106
This. The ex-NijiJP didn't join a company like what Nina or mysta did.

>nijifags deflecting

>>60847075
what deflection? its the reality, its an article that have a supposed niji member and an indie one about corporate en vtuber, mentioning mainly hololive, nijisanji and idol

>>60845171
>The source at Nijisanji

>>60847323
> “Seeing agencies like Hololive and Nijisanji shut down entire branches or graduate talents without any real kind of information is heartbreaking for just about everyone involved in the process,” the source says.
if you ignore that and the rest of the article talking about more than nijisanji

>>60847323
Nobody is arguing that there's a source from Niji but the article itself literally just says
>Japanese vtubing bad
>Permissions bad
>No creativity
>IDOL GOOD

its literally a hit piece on Japanese corporate vtubing

>>60840424
What I don't get is, why the fuck is Vox telling all this shit to mother fucking polygon? What does he expect to achieve from shitting his own company to polygon? And what is he going to do when the management start looking for the NDA breacher?

>>60847506
thank you for having a brain.. there's a source in there but the entire article is against jp vtubing, and most of what is even said by both interviewed is holo and niji

>>60847532
Nothing will happen, they probably dont even know this article exists

>>60847532
Vox is a mentally ill retard who told his own fans that he hates vtubing.
There is never a thought that goes through his head that doesn't involve him.

>>60847506
Without Vox spilling the beans the article would be just like your average 4chan schizo shitpost. Vox just gave this validity

>>60847629
>Nothing will happen, they probably dont even know this article exists
They are /here/, they will find out about it

>>60847532
He's a giga normie who hates vtubing, overwstimates how smart he is and has never had a job before to know what work looks like. Makes sense to me

>>60847629
We know for a fact that the clique is terminally /here/, they have probably already alerted management

>>60847629
Japanese corporate take NDAs very seriously. It is a horrendous look from their PoV to see Vox openly flaunt himself breaking NDA to shittalk vtubing

It's definitely Vox Pomu would not sound this pretentious

>BUT HOLOLIVE!!! HOLOLIVE THIS AND HOLOLIVE THAT!!!
Is that all you fags respond to this with?

>>60847981
We'll see then in at least a week to see if its a thing

>>60840280
The points he makes here are almost exactly the same as the ones in the article, just a bit less "me" with way more generalization.

>>60834191
>both Hololive and Nijisanji
kek, made by another vshojotranny "journo"

>>60839283
Vox thinks he's some sort of industry expert when he only got popular from chinese women shlicking to his rape asmr.

>>60849143
Kinda based ngl.

>>60845887
>>60846663
lmao

>>60849143
Seriously he doesn't watch vtubers, doesn't even pay attention to the successful jp branch and still thinks he's an expert.

>>60849215
The only based part is him realizing that he actually hates it.

>>60846589
>Anycolor does not allow people to stream outside of Niji whatsoever
tell that to mysta

>>60846589
>Anycolor does not allow people to stream outside of Niji whatsoever
holobronies really living in their own fantasy, there're plenty of nijisanji who streaming and doing stuff in their personal channels, they just can't working under a difference Vtuber label just like holo

>>60849118
It's Nina from or Matara- kan from Vwhore . She is the source. Vshojo whores. Idol En or Phasecucks Connect.

>>60838682
It's Vox. Only Vox would use the vocabulary that the person used in the interview. Sounds exactly like he sounds on stream.

>>60849444
>>60849460
Yeah there's plenty of JPs who do it if you just do 5 minutes of searching. There's no non-compete clause

>>60849444
>>60849460
Fair enough then, I don't go looking for roommate shit and it's never particularly come up in as blatantly obvious a way as it does with cover

>>60848771
Yeah that's how I instantly knew it was Vox

>>60849578
Nobody cares enough to doxx nijifailures. Not the clippers, not the audiences.

>>60849578
What do you mean fair enough? You literally claimed the exact opposite of reality you fucking faggot.

>>60849981
It's called conceding that I was wrong anon, I know this is a foreign concept here on 4channel

>>60849444
Mysta wanted out so he probably didn't care anymore.
>>60849531
JPs and ENs undoubtedly have different contracts.

>>60839883
>getting offended on behalf of the big corpo having its corpodrone NDA broken
You're an even bigger fucking dumbass than anyone at Nijisanji.

>>60834191
"vtubing is dead", says the article that then casually mentions cover corp's 50% growth

>>60834191
>says a streamer with agency Nijisanji who is not approved to speak publicly
Nothing particularly interesting was mentioned, though I do wonder if Anycolor will try and punish EN for unauthorized interviews.

>>60850947
NijiJP already has barely any faith in its EN branch because of these unprofessional idiots running their mouths. Vox is just proving them right, and I fucking hate it

>>60852395
It's dying because Vox doesn't have 10k asmr anymore

>>60834283
smash the like button

>>60834191
>since 2021 those "journalists" are saying that corporate vtubing is dying
Believing them is like believing on a random anon

>to prevent further stagnation, this not-so-niche form of content creation needs to reinvent itself and allow more freedom to its talents
>Hololive (which reported 50% growth in its 2023 financial report