/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6071105
>Gura
>enjoying her NUMBERS

sure anon sure.

She will but you know the drill, a simple thank you and that's it.

Celebration streams are not the Gura way.

>>6071105
She said she had some kind of joke or gag planned for if she had hit it during her stream earlier tonight. She's acknowledging the numbers now, unlike before.

>>6071105
Gura has changed apparently, she actually mentioned it during her latest stream and seemed pretty happy. i'm proud of her

It's content. It's a good reason to just not play the same games over and over.

>>6071312
manager-san was probably unhappy with dumb shark's apathetic outlook on everything.

>>6071408
Cringe

>>6071105
she's fucking a holostar atm, please ask again tomorrow

>>6071408
The fuck does it matter

>>6071270
pretty based, wonder if the rrat of her cancelling minecraft collab with kiara to avoid her numberfagging/celebrating 3mln live is true, hope it is

>>6071105
Why should she? She going to hit 4M soon anyway, probably before Marine or Pekora hits 2M.

>>6071270
I dont need no celebration stream, i just want a 3h+ karaoke stream

>>6071735
You and me both, but I don't think she has the endurance for 3h+ without ruining her voice for a day or two afterwards

>>6071105
>Gura hits 8 billion subs
>Literally we very single person on the planet is subbed
>"Hey neat"

>>6071746
i don't think there's a major event after axn so it should be fine.

and for those of you that says gen 2 they will be in a bubble for about 2 months

>>6071637
>>6071668
>>6071735
cumsharts are pathethic

Acknowledge what?

>>6071105
Would you celebrate knowing your genmates like Calli are far more talented yet have far less subs?

They realize it isn't a reflection of their talent, they have to.

>>6071855
>Mori
>Talented
Fucking newfag zoomers

>>6071889
you may not like rap but producing music is a lot more significant than "lol dum shark"

>>6071900
>Paying someone to autotune your lazy talking
>Music production

>>6071735
>3h+ karaoke stream
I need it and I need it to be achieved.

>>6071825
don't even watch her, simply appreciate the fact she's not a numberfag. seems kfptards are seething as usual since kiara collab was mentioned in one of the messages

>>6072072
not even a kfkek lmao keep coping

>>6072096
coping about what? you sperging out? lol get a fucking grip weirdo

>>6072107
...watch out

>>6071105
No

>>6072128
ok weirdo

>>6072171
stop calling me weirdo

>>6071105
Meds and cope. Gura always stays humble.

>>6071933
>>6071746
She has the endurance for a 3 hour karaoke stream. But you only get them from members.

>>6072180
Take ur meds WEIRDO

>>6072226
patethetic

Why should she celebrate? She didn't work hard for it, she doesn't deserve it.

Also who cares if she hits 3M or she gets a nendo? Kiara is the brand ambassador for tales and that is more important. She deserves it cos she worked hard for it.

>>6072302
the cumshart señores

>>6072317
>patethetic
ESLchama...

>>6072226
There's a difference between being humble and being uncaring.
This is not just an achievement for Gura, but also for Hololive, for vtubing as a whole, and most for the fans.
By acting like its not a big deal and doesn't matter, she's also saying Hololive's achievements are not a big deal and don't matter.
What Gura needs to understand is that celebrating achievements is not only about her.

>>6072348
I just write like utter shite
notghing to do with language

>>6071615
Transpacific cock...

>>6072335
>weirdo

have you considered that they are aware they don't deserve it, and it's also shitting on their genmates who have far less despite not being less talented?

>>6072386
>and it's also shitting on their genmates
lmao THE COPES

>>6072386
how is celebrating your accomplishment = shitting on others? are you fucking retarded?

>>6072352
The poor girl has a big case of imposter syndrome already. Especialy since she surpassed Kizuna Ai, and now people are pressuring her to make a big deal about three million.
Yes it is a big deal, but she never really handles this type of stuff. It's a big pressure on her.

>>6071105
It was 3 000 000 for (you). For her, it was sunday.

>>6072477
because they aren't far superior to their genmates and they are basically celebrating a number generated by an algorithm.

>>6072534
pretend you are them. do you genuinely think you are better than Usada Pekora as a streamer or entertainer?

that's why they shouldn't "celebrate", they went viral. it's not like they are amazing or talk better than Marine or entertain better than Pekora.

>>6073198
pekora wishes she could be even a percentage as entertaining as gura lmao

>>6073267
and this is why no one respects chumfags.

>>6073198
> algorithm this and that
Algorithm also works quite well in twitter, pixiv, booru etc right ?
Algorithm draws all those wonderful fanarts right ?
Cry more, I doubt you even have a tiny bit about computer science.

>Kiara will be the 1st to acknowledge Gura hitting 3 million
>Gura will still be in bed when she does it

>>6073330
knowledge*

I don't think Gura joined Hololive expecting to get huge based on the way she acts so it's honestly okay if she doesn't make a big deal out of it.

>>6073346
I know you are ESL no need to explain

>>6071773
>still doesn't make as much in superchats as Rushia

>>6073222
Tell me anon, why do you celebrate your birthday? You don't deserve to celebrate your birthday - you we're simply born during that day. Do you think you've accomplished half the shit other people have who share the same birth day as you?

>>6071773
this is literally the shark:

>>6073371
would you celebrate an "achievement" that you didn't really work for? even if others worked harder and objectively do better work?

i'd feel like a fraud

She's gonna go on a week long hiatus to avoid acknowledging it.

>>6073357
Yeah, it is fine.
It doesn't change the fact that you appear to be too massive retard with a shallow thinking.
> Imagine feeling proud for being dumb
kek

>subs go up
>viewers continually go down
you can't explain that!

>>6073380
>India's largest music label
>makes most of Bollywood's soundtracks
>moderately successful film company
>most viewed and most subbed Youtube channel

I don't get it. Are you saying Gura is someone who is super succesful and talented and deserves all her laurels but sadly people only think of them as a meme?

>>6071105
Gura doesn't care about numbers

>>6073475
i'm saying both have shit content and both are highly overrated, and many dead subs.

>>6073357
Yeah, it is fine.
It doesn't change the fact that you appear to be a massive retard with shallow thinking.
> Imagine feeling proud for that
kek

>>6071105
Am I just being a tourist/rrat, or does Gura not really acknowledge her subs milestones because when she reached a million, numberfags sperged on Fubuki's stream when Gura reached a million first? Isn't it you shitty numberfags' fault?

they are well aware they are boring and a shadow of their former self
>durr dum shark
>im so talented

>>6073620
>numberfags sperged on Fubuki's stream when Gura reached a million first
That was fucking pathetic

>>6073620
Yes.

>>6073620
she doesn't feel she's earned them

and she's right

>>6072386
you can't bring sense into numberfaggers they need the acknowledgement that their idol is the best to satisfy their own narcism -> pic related
thats why they hate the claim that the 3 million subs might be in significant parts a result of the algorithm + Matthew effect...

>>6073501
>They don't deserve it because I don't like them

Nice arguments faggot

>>6072386
There is consideration for her fellow genmates. But there is also the fact that Gura is a nihilist who understand it is all fleeting. It's a serious outlook on things, more than just humility or playing nice. Fubuki was there before her, and Kizuna Ai was there before her. And like the Ozymandias poem, tomorrow there will be a hotter thing in town. She is much more concerned about her own life and happiness, than worrying about how she currently stacks up to others. Or in her own words, "nothing in life matters. Bake yourself a cake and call it a day."
https://youtu.be/_5DUrOyIvm0?t=594

Another factor that contributes to her own jadedness is that a large portion of her current fanbase is just curated yes men who send overly sweet nothings and unending adoration. To put it simply, it's like when a smart guy has been told he's smart for all his life, or a pretty girl hears how she's pretty so much. At some point, you stop caring for those praises (one particular case was Aqua who said it took just one negative comment to rattle her).

>>6073842
It's not about liking them, it's about the lack of talent and ability to be entertaining as a streamer
>but subs lol
t-series of vtubers

>>6073859
watch gen 2 have some loli school girl who gets 10 million subs in a month despite having no talent. deja vu.

>>6073882
It'll be a loli schoolgirl who calls her viewers "daddy" and always talks about her love of cock.
The hololive fanbase will love it.

>>6073882
Cope

>>6073971
Cope? Talent isn't a prerequisite for lots of subs. EN gen 1 proved it.

>>6073407
except she worked for it, she streams, releases songs, collabs with her genmates, participates in events - so she has full right to celebrate something she achieved with her work. just because she's not working as hard as you'd like her to doesn't mean she's earning subs just by having a yt account.
again, don't even watch her but always feel confused why so many people are mad about her growth - life isn't fair, the amount of work doesn't always affect the end result, especially in case of chubas, where character design/personality seem to be more important. learn to live with it i guess? is the best advice i can give

>>6073941
>The hololive fanbase will love it
you mean Vshoujo? you basically described nyanners there.

>>6074000
Mori literally does more work yet has half the subs than a lazy shark, yep...so much merit!
>durr I can act like a dopey shark and get 2x the subs cause of my RAW TALENT

>>6072226
It's called "being a cold asshole". This is not just her achievement, it's the achievement of people who chose to follow her. Acknowledging milestones is not about showing off how big your sub number is, it's about thanking people for it.

>>6073998
>muh gen2 going to steal subs from already established oshis
It ain't how it works m8

>>6074039
i legit though you are just a mad deadbrap but didn't want to bring whori up, thanks for confirming that.

>>6074056
I wouldn't want to thank Gura's fanbase either.

>>6074004
Nyanners wouldn't call anyone that. Vei would, if you donate her enough.

>>6074077
you're right, being boring playing random games is a lot harder than producing music.

>>6074039
Either this is genuine petty jealousy or an anti-Mori falseflagger.
Because just a few days ago /vt/ was shitting on Mori.

>>6074039
>b-but Mori works harder than Reddit Shark, she deserves it more
"Just because you work really hard on something doesn't mean it's going to be good." - Calliope Mori, 2020
Do deadbraps even watch Mori's streams?

>>6074039
nice effort, but you still didn't make it into the 5%

Gura loves her fans and is greatful to be the largest v-tuber on the planet

>>6074242

>>6074000
>she streams
Her stream time is average at best, she drops games often.
>releases songs
One song. It's a good song, but it's one song.
>collabs with her genmates, participates in events
Imagine if she didn't. And even then, she often oversleeps and cancels, like when she didn't bother to record a message with her genmates for Coco's graduation.
>she has full right to celebrate something she achieved with her work
It's not her work, it's luck. She went viral on her debut, and YT algorithm did the rest. She's not a number one anything vtuber, only her sub number is the highest. Of course she didn't deserve it, realistically speaking. If you pretend otherwise, you're just simping for no good reason.

>>6074242
see image

it's more fair to say they got lucky, not that they "earned" it. Luck is ok too, I guess.

>>6071637

Kiara was so upset over being last to 1 million… it does make sense

>>6073770
> might be
> in significant parts a result of the algorithm + Matthew effect...
> significant parts
So many big yet ambiguous words with no direct evidence for your claim.

can you make a case based on TALENT as to why they are far above Pekora, Marine, or the other ENs?

no.

that's why it's luck.

>>6074374
>he can't even comprehend

>>6074374
Easily.

Because Gura is more talented than Pekora, Marine or the other ENs.

>>6074270
>>6074039
>>6074100
Based. Cumsharts willl always be in denial and overhype their oshi's work.
>>6074082
Gura's fanbase is full of entitled shitheads. Speaking of which...
>>6074056
>it's the achievement of people who chose to follow her
>achievement of people
>muh participation trophy
Holy fuck go back to plebbit you stupid dumbfuck. She can thank people for it and that's all that Gura owes them.
She doesn't owe them anything else.

It's weird how whenever someone clearly shits on Gura's fanbase, they treat it as if they're shitting on Gura herself. How does one explain this?

>>6074437
Define "talent". And no streaming regularly and making one song isn't fucking talent, nor having a cute design that she has little input on.

>>6074492
>She can thank people for it and that's all that Gura owes them.
And she won't. That's the fucking point.

>>6074530
It's a commie/hivemind mentality. If you shit on one of them, you shit on all of them.

>>6074554
She had in the past. I don't know how you got this idea that she doesn't thank her fanbase.

>don't watch other holos
>not even ENs
>shit on every other fanbase
>easily the worst by far in terms of being annoying
would YOU want to thank these people?

>>6074593
Show me any milestone celebration she ever did.

>>6074530
It usually starts from
> I don't hate her, only her fanbase
to normalize shitting on them.
And then they continue with
> It's Gura's fault for not controlling/ calling out her fanbase
> She is shit
Basically gaslighting.
This type of argument has been brought up several times.

>>6074270
>It's not her work, it's luck. She went viral on her debut, and YT algorithm did the rest. She's not a number one anything vtuber, only her sub number is the highest.
Damn, imagine being so lucky you maintain the highest subgrowth in hololive for like 9 months.

>>6074627
2mil Celebration? The only other Archived Karaoke on her stream?

Are you retarded that you can't even be bothered to look that up?

>>6074353
true I have no evidence for my claims as others have no evidence for their claim that gura has more subs because she has more talent.

>>6074530
There are at least 5 threads a day trying to shit on Gura, some of them real antis and some of them baitfags, either way both groups are entirely motivated by her numbers. Not a single one ever sticks to focusing on her fanbase, they all target gura herself, just like this thread.

>>6074627
So you want an entire stream dedicated to a milestone celebration instead of just mentioning it on a stream?
Like how she thanked people for subscribing to her when she reached one million on a karaoke stream?
And you wonder why your fanbase gets called entitled?

>>6074622
>don't watch this streamer
>not even a stream
>shitpost in all her threads
>easily the worst by far in terms of being annoying
Would YOU want to read his posts?

>>6074665
That's how the algorithm works, yes.

>>6074663
You're connecting dots that don't exist. Those groups are not a progression of one thing to another.
I like Gura. I just feel sorry for her for having shitty fans.

>>6074733
>shitpost in all her threads
isn't that the regular ol /vt/ poster?

chumbuds are so obsessed with numbers I've seen them suggest Gura should graduate just so she could break Coco's viewer record.

>>6074777
What is concern trolling anyway?

>>6072359
Yeah, you think like utter shit too
Nothing to do with intelligence

>>6074774
Oh its the algorithm, I thought it was luck.

>>6074777
You don't but some other people do and take advantage of the first group.
I have seen those arguments in here before.

Many of " her shitty fans " might be dramaniggers and falseflaggers that keep creating bait threads specifically to make people hate her and her fanbase.

>>6074000
It's like Calli. She gets the most superchats for using 5% of her day for her fans and streaming.

>>6074923
>Many of " her shitty fans " might be dramaniggers and falseflaggers that keep creating bait threads specifically to make people hate her and her fanbase.
This is pretty much indisputable, and it happens so much with gura I don't know why people keep taking the bait to be honest.

>>6074818
>concern trolling
I'll be honest I never understood the concept. I just watch Gura and close the chat because it's twtich cancer tier

>>6075005
Those people can self-reply to make it convincing.
It doesn't help that there are too many tourists too.

>>6075037
>I really like gura, honest! I just shit up every thread about her with negative garbage because I feel sorry for her.

>>6075005
People need to learn how to use the options field too. Starts with an "s" and ends with "age"

>>6074777
>I just feel sorry for her for having shitty fans.
Pretty much concern trolling.
And no one speaks for the fanbase. It is as idiotic as mainstream media referring to anons as a hacking organzation filled with pedos and reactionaries.

>>6075098
Its almost like he's baiting (you)s

>>6075098
That's on you if you don't believe me.
You just need to take your meds so you can actually open your mind that there's more than one type of person.
>>6075082
I think it pretty easy to spot a samefagger. I just wish this board has poster ID.

>>6075136
I wish we had jisakujien

>>6075173
here have a (you)

>>6071773
>gura
>just exists
>quickly becomes first vtuber to get 3M subs, shooting past her senpais who have been working hard for years.
>gets put on a pedestal as the quintessential vtuber

>>6075973
Not her fault.

>>6076013
It's not her fault, but she still suffers because of it.

Man, as an external observer I skimmed through most of hololive EN's stuff and I can see why a lot more people flock to Gura
Obviously we're discounting JP, sorry to those who like them, but they're literally swamped by the language barrier.
All the ENs in my opinion have their niches but it is Gura who provides that sort of general entertainment that's literally all you need to succeed in youtube.
Mori is weird. She comes off as some sort of "cringe" weaboo who nonetheless insists on wearing a cosplay. But she's got her songs so it makes sense that she's second highest.
Kiara is a sort of an odd one. Her accent really puts off a native speaker like me, and she collabs a lot with JP, which again puts most casuals off. And like Mori she has again this sort of "cringe" Japanese idol type of energy that really doesn't mesh well with your casual watcher. It's like that kid shouting "I've got anime on my side" except unironically (though I know its just part of the character)
Ina'nis is really one that settles into her niche. I can almost describe it as a much more restrained, relaxing type of streamer you can also find sometimes on twitch (mostly speedrunners). And of course, she is a proven artist of some caliber, which yet again adds to her niche.
Now Amelia is the gamer, and seems to be closest to Gura in terms of general appeal. It sort of makes sense that they get paired often, they really gel well in terms of personality. I am rather surprised she isn't higher, so there might be some factor I'm missing. But I guess going full into the image of a gamer girl does not really make you stand out, because there are already plenty of other choices for that. If all you're offering is being a variety gaming streamer, then some won't see the appeal other than "anime girl".
Gura just has the full package. She can sing, she can play games--not well, but at least she has her specialties--she has an easygoing personality that doesn't immediately trip the average "cringe" sensor like the first two, and just like old cartoons, she can be racy without being outright explicit. If there are children watching her for being a cute shark playing Minecraft, her jokes will fly well above most of their heads.
I'm not a fan of any of the five, but I can certainly see how Gura pulls in her fans. And it's worth stating that vtubing is still a relatively small and niche thing, which makes her more of a big fish in a small pond. There are literal giants of entertainment in youtube with more pull and influence on the greater social sphere, and that's not even getting into actual stardom. (Admittedly, vtubing also fulfills a demand that those aforementioned talents cannot provide but thats another topic)

Congrats to Gura for the 3M!

>>6073861
She also has the most viewers per hour and views per video so...

>>6071855
>>6072386
>>6073198
>>6073222
>>6073643
>>6074289
>>6074374
>they
>they
>they
Why do you keep doing this?

>>6076535
lack of medication, probably

>>6074895
She was lucky to get picked up by the algorithm. It's not complicated.

>>6071105
so she's not gonna celebrate or atleast do something special for her fans? arent half her viewers kids or something, do they even care?

>>6076535
Gura's antis just repeat the same things in every threads. You can spot them pretty easy.

3m celebration will be a collab with sykkuno

>>6071825
What's so pathetic with liking karaoke?

>So you want an entire stream dedicated to a milestone celebration instead of just mentioning it on a stream?
not him but yes, yes she should. Gura should dedicate a stream for reaching a million milestone. heck other chuubas dedicate a stream for a 10K Milestone. and you're telling me your shark wont do it because she's too humble?

>>6078473
No, she'll do it with bahroo and nyanners.

>>6073450
Many such cases.

Getting each million has taken roughly twice or thrice as long as the last one so four million subs in early summer 2022?

That's a nice long time to ignore numberfags.

>>6073341
kek

>>6073620
I hope not anon because i would hate for Gura to be ashamed of her fanbase. We just love the shork.

>>6074056
>>6074554
>>6074627
>muh dedicated numbers stream
You will be a reminder of why numberfags deserve death. Your oshi is more then a number shes already got a million subs on her pre-hololive youtube account why is she suppose to pretend to be excited for the 3rd mill? why do you think your entitled to more then a "thank you"?

>>6078384
I think the problem is everyone is comparing this to every one else where they stream for a few years and finally hit that big 1mil milestone and it's a big deal.
I'm not going to get into the argument of whether Guras content is worth the number of subs she has, but the reality is that she hits this milestone every few months and she could really make it even faster if she had the drive to do so.
Holidays, birthdays, etc. would lose a lot of meaning if it happened a few times a year. It'd be neat if she did celebrate every time but I can see why she wouldn't bother.

>>6076343
>she has an easygoing personality that doesn't immediately trip the average "cringe" sensor like the first two

I think this is the most important part. If Mori and Kiara were less cringe, I would consider watching them more. Gura is more appealing because she's only like 20% as autistic as those two.

>>6071105
Wow everyone really shitted up the board, i would just like to say Congratulations Gura!

>>6076343
Thank you for this.

>>6071105
How much time it will take to chumbuds realize that Gura doesn't want them to be numberfags?

>>6071105
She doesn't HAVE to do anything. She most likely will since it's multiple milestones all at once, but she doesnt actually have any obligations to do so.

>>6071105
No.

>>6071105
Hopefully no celebration streams. Just one slight mention and that would be it.

Gura is going to say the n-word on stream for hitting 3m.

>>6073450
>viewers continually go down
FALSE

only in passing

>>6072352
>hololive's achievements
kek. try giving her a working rig next time, cover niggers

>>6071105
she already did last night. she had a gag prepared but you numberfags weren't strong enough to earn it.

>>6071105
Literally the first thing she did today was acknowledge it.

>>6071105
Give her time, lol.
Seems like currently she's busy, also Hololive probably would like to make it into more official event and this will take time to prepare.
She can half-ass some chatting stream or 3+h karaoke stream or nothing OR she may work with Cover on producing something bigger and more valuable.
I'm curious if her lack of energy and disappearing periodically is connected to it. Maybe she's in fact working on something big.

>>6081124
The anime panel event. Ame mentioned that they prepare hours before.

>>6071825
Pathetic but still shits on you in daily basis

>>6076343
Based. I’ve had this exact conversation before and said these exact things to others.
Gura just has broad spectrum appeal to lots of different kinds of people. That’s also why her viewership and SC numbers are all over the place compared to others. She has a huge transient viewer base. People come and go, only watching her casually when the content she’s doing appeals to them. She doesn’t have half the loyalists that someone like Pekora has, but she has double the casual viewers.

>>6076343
Kiara is a massive sugar daddy girl a lot of 30's-40's creepys end up going to her fanbase.

>>6073165
Street Fighter?

>>6073341
My god should couldn’t even use proper English. It’s “Gura and I”, you fucking narcissist.

>>6073341
My god, she couldn’t even use proper English. It’s “Gura and I”, you fucking narcissist.

>>6082379
She's ESL.

>>6071105
If anything, she finally got to break the word on her nendoroid

Worst fucking vtuber and cringe

>>6082063
She does seem like the kind of girl that would “yes daddy!” If you praised her and bought her things.

>>6082063
>>6082809
Can confirm.

>>6082347
>>6082379
ouch

>>6071105
for what reason.

>>6082624
Based

>>6082347
>>6082379
this is just embarrassing now anon

>>6071773
When I was younger there were only 6 billion people how did we get 2 billion more people?

>>6074272
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNxyrabgLlQ

>>6083781
ur mum

inb4 AX host mentions it later

>>6082379
"Me and Gura" is wrong? Damn, the wonders of the English language...

>>6076343
>Her accent really puts off a native speaker like me,
Does she really have such a bad accent? I'm an ESL and I think her pronunciation is a little off sometimes, but it seems fine to me most of the time.

>>6082809

>>6083781
People kept breeding

>>6076343
There's this, but there's also a bunch of other coincidences that pushed Gura right from the beginning. Her design, her previous life, her singing Ride On Time on debut (which helped with the algo), her streaming Muse Dash as her second game, her big karaoke on the first month, and a couple more.

People forget how terrible Amelia's debut was. Yes, you can recover, and she did, but she would be doing even better if she it hadn't been like that. Similarly Mori and Kiara had other issues like computer problems and streaming on a JP timeslot. Kiara even had to move back to Austria and had tons of trouble with youtube even getting her channel removed at one point.

>>6083781
people (not you) had sex

>>6085477
I mean yes but having the best debut doesn't account for the fact that Gura significantly outpaces every VTuber in existence in growth even now.

the ax host made her acknowledge based

>>6071105
I was there when she hit 2M.
She was way more excited to get a Trident in minecraft than she was to be the first HoloChuuba to hit 2 Million.
a short "yay" and blowing some old horn things from new years that she didn't bother to clean up for a couple months.