/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6041763
Gunrun has been around long before vshojo and vtubers he’s not hard to find at all. He we og member of twitch and justin tv before twitch was even a thing.

theyre friends and she is now becoming more active. that and she is completely free from having kson affect her coco channel. before (chinese) schizos could freakout over such things and spam at cover as well as reddit and 4channel.
now coco as a channel is frozen in time. anything she does on kson won't affect coco. she probably feels more free and less resposnsible -- sure, she was always free to add them, but now there is 0 chance of it causing an issue anywhere she doesnt control.

>>6041985
Yeah, I'd say the same thing, but following Gunrun? And the rest? All in the same day? I know people joked that she'd join VShojo, and it's just odd that it happened.

>>6041763
Coco is joining Vshoujo

>>6041763
that manager just DMd kason. vshojo might want her but i dont think she will join vshojo. she however would try to build a new relationship if she wanted to run her own agency in the near future

>>6042307
This. I'm not sure it could be more apparent. But because /vt/ is so overfull of self-hating insects who only accept nip rrats this is just impossible.

>>6042348
If anything, i think she'll be a collaber with VShojo now.

Coco is not gonna abandon her mainly JOP audience in YT to join vshojo on twitch.

Keep fuckong dreamer vbeggars

Why the hell would kson join vshojo???
She already has over half a mil on youtube, and if she actually streams she will make it clear over a million in no time. What advantage will joining an agency serve to her???

>>6042471
if she joined it shed just lose all her jp audience. i dont think its worth it

>>6042574
She wouldn't lose all of them, and she would gain a gigantic American audience. And considering that's where all the juicy akaspas come from, I'd say it's a good financial decision.

Would not doubt at all that Gunrun would be attempting to get her onto vshojo. Gunrun understands talent acquisition. during this prime early period of esports and twitch, he would float around the esports circles as esports was significant in getting twitch off the ground. During that time there where huge talent and player acquisitions that hes probably learned a lot from so I don’t doubt he has some level of understanding in making moves like this.

>>6042678
>Gunrun understands talent
>Hime.

>>6041763
That doesn't mean much to me, but if she does decide to join, I'll probably stop with vtubers.
It paints Hololive at an even more suspicious light and it makes Kson feel the need to join an "agency" instead of standing on her own feet.

>>6042723
That wasn't a mistake on his part. Sid is huge but unreliable. I bet he's learned his lesson about scheduling since then.

>>6042569
Twitch is still more lenient than Youtube especially if you fit a criteria.

>>6041763
perhaps she will join,but i doubt she will, however i could see her taking a producer job with the vshojo girls perhaps coordinate their talent with minors Japanese or american agencies, she is pretty smart i could see her promoting new talent or help already running vtubers with new material or segments, and since everything seems to indicate that her graduation of hololive was in good enough terms to not burn any bridges she could even organize big collabs between agencies... at least that is my current rrat, but is too early to know anything

why would i join an organization if i know i'm going to LOSE money

>>6042574
You realize Twitch is very easy to get used to, easier to mod, easier to deal with spammers, and has been growing with the Japanese as a whole, right?

She not going to join vshojo fucking fags. At most I bet she going to use Vshojo to help produce some her of project ideas that she can't do on her own.

>>6042617
no japanese would watch her collabs in fully english. shed just lose all of them. i dont think the english vtuber industry outside of hololive is that big. niji en vtubers finally reached 100k subs but it took time and theres still not so many live viewers.

>>6042838
You realize most of the money Coco made went to Cover, right?

>>6042872
That sounds like a large cup of copium, summerfriend.

>>6042723
Aye I said nothing about his taste, the man certainly has a peculiar taste

Sounds to me more like holoniggers don't WANT her to join than that she actually won't.

>>6042860
ex coco fans arent gamers or e-whore lovers, dont watch twitch

>>6042904
>You realize most of the money Coco made is going to vShojo if she joins, right?
Thanks for proving my point

>>6042896
Tell that to Gura.

>>6042872
She will just you wait.
She’s going to go full whore

>>6042967
The streamers on VShojo keep the money they make.
Proof? Zentreya was able to fucking buy a house to live in.

>>6041763
ummm tatsukeks?
how do you excuse kaichou joining shitshojo?

I think she'd become an 'extension' like Snuffy or Haruka. Not full on join. She may appear to play games with them in multiplayer, not a full time membership.

I'd rather trust her than some random schizos weaving baskets.

I don't think she's going to be joining any other agency anytime soon. She might do something similar to the anime dormitory though, to help out smaller talented vtubers get housing and other amenities.

>>6042967
vshojo is probably one of the few vtuber companies that doesn't take a cut from dono/bits/subs and personal merch stores, how would she lose money

>>6042471
>>6042307
vbeggars deserve the rope

>>6042872
Agencies are only useful insofar as to get your name out there with an already established audience, maybe also kick in some funds towards pet projects. She already has both of these things, and could collab with any of them w/o having to give up creative and financial independence. Any agency other than her own startup would be a step down from where she stands currently.

Oh, you're all mistaking. She's joining a streaming team that starts with a v but not VShojo.

>>6042976
they only watch translated clips.

>>6041763
Manager is not hard to find at all. He's a fat asian dude that works at twitch.
On a sidenote, Kson should try streaming on Twitch. I'm pretty sure the chinks will find it harder to spam her there. Twitch staff are pretty quick to ban bots and stuff unlike Youtube.

>>6042923
It makes the most sense think about it. Kson wants to do big projects but she probably can't do it alone.

She can't turn to hololive or nijisanji for help and vshojo as much as anon here hate to admit it is literality a popular overseas agency. So she going to work with them to help produce projects and vshojo get clout with working with a former holo.

>>6043204
Face it. English vtubing is the future. You're just mad because your precious nippon rice munching is dying the slow death it deserves.

>>6042574
>>6042617
>>6042896
Do you take into consideration that Kson is not Coco? It's a different person, it's a different character. You think people will watch Kson for any other reason than 'look, it's Coco'? She's not gonna pander to her old fans with reddit reviews and asacocos, she'll probably do compeletely different content than before.
Who was she before anyway? Some cosplay thot doing bland shit streaming bland content, there's nothing interesting about her channel other than 'she used to play the holodragon'.

>>6042307
If she joins vshojo and rants about the CCP menace I will kneel and twitch sub to all vshojos

>>6043249
kek

>>6043348
Kson isn't even a 'character' it's the literal person who put on the Coco persona.

>>6042772
Okay but she doesn't need to join an agency to stream on twitch, lol.

>>6043348
The fuck are you even trying to say

>>6043046
So was Ame though

>>6043412
Vshojo's barely an agency. It's just a group of people who wanted to be vtubers, and got 'hired' by Gunrun. They keep all the money they raise, even from their merch. Each of them also commissions merch with their own money.

>>6043204
You will see.

Do you guys know how Vshojo operates? They don't give you a character model and set you up to stream or anything. For Coco to join Vshojo she'd first need to stream on Twitch as a vtuber. Until that day comes nothing is happening.

>>6043466
What do you mean "wanted"? The only one on the roster who wasn't already a vtuber was Hime. Gunrun took existing talent and gave them legal protections. It's honestly a pretty hot deal.

>>6043535
>need to be a vtuber on twitch
>hime

>>6043535
Melody fucking streamed once on twitch and was added and is the fucking 'leader' of VShojo.

>>6043658
What's her story?

>>6043535
Lucky for her then she's already an online personality, so all she has to do is get herself an avatar and she's good to go.

>>6043443
I'm saying her target audience will be completely different than before. Do japs give a shit about an average western thot streamer? Do they care about vshojos? Would Coco's english speaking fans watch her new incarnation if her content was drastically different?

>>6043761
Was a youtuber and wasn't a vtuber until VShojo.

>>6043535
They helped Zen and Vei with their models, Mel is regularly getting small updates. They help with stream set up as well, it was hilarious when they fixed Holo's sound issues in Mori Mouse collab.
If Coco is gonna join, she will be joining VshojoJP. She can still stream on youtube, even. Although model would be different of course.
All that assuming Kson still wants to stream and dont want to be indie.

>>6043305
face it, you are just another beggar

>kson's collabs can be numbered on one hand
>everyone thinks that kson will suddenly start collabing with people after graduating even though she barely did it even before coco
Sorry to break it to you anons but kson is a loner

>>6043837
Why? She speaks fluent English. VShojo has some overseas influence and they have some JP translators for their clips. Hell, maybe Kson will move back to Texas and just nip (lol) the whole issue in the bud.

>>6043482
yeah yeah, take your meds

>>6043865
Her collab choices were limited.

I absolutely guarantee she wants to get on-stream with Melody now that the Cover shackles have been taken off.

>>6043865
She collabed with people literally every week you brainlet. Did you forget about reddit shitpost review already? It hasn't even been a fucking week yet.

>>6043348
you clearly never watched a kson stream

My rrat is kson is joining vshojo as a manager

>>6043865
>Coco retired because Cover wouldn't LET her collab.
>lol she loner guys

>>6043837
Why would they need a JP branch when kson is literally American?

>>6043813
>I'm saying her target audience will be completely different than before.
And what makes you think that? You are just assuming shes gonna drop all her old fans, some of which have been following her ever since before her holo days and go for an entirely new audience because reasons.

>>6043907
So she could build her own team and be its own manager (in JP branch). And to pander to both JP and EN audience.
She only knows Melody anyway.

>>6043249
this is the best rrat

>>6043535
vshojo isn't a twitch only company, the core initial group was on twitch but nobody ever said they will or need to stay on twitch

>>6044035
I'd be pretty surprised if she only talks to Mel behind the scenes. She and Nyanners especially would get along famously.

>>6043907

Anon Kson treats EOP like second tier citizens there are never her main audience if anything there more like a side dish at best.

>>6041763
Even Coco hates Vei and forgets Hime exists.

>>6041763
She embraced the idol aspect of hololive, why would she join a pack of whores?

>>6044020
She doesn't get to pick her fans
I know some gachikois will stay with her forever
But majority of fans aren't gonna stay with her forever especially if her content changes.

>>6044051
They already don't stream exclusively on twitch. Mel has taken CB by storm.

>>6043046
>Proof? Zentreya was able to fucking buy a house to live in.
So no proof? They may have a better deal for all we know, but what you said isn't a proof at all

>>6044084
>embraced the idol aspect
>shaved her pubes on stream
>made sport of getting more seiso hololive girls to swear
>actively hit on pretty much every guest

>>6043936
>Her collab choices were limited.
No, her collab choices were gigantic as coco which is another thing, kson literally has collabed with 5 people total, do you think she had no friends aside from holo friends?
>>6043955
Anon I...

>>6044084
>pack of whores
You know just because you hate women not being repressed, hijab-wearing sex dolls doesn't mean everyone does.

>>6043907
>Hell, maybe Kson will move back to Texas
Yes of course, move back to Texas and stop living with her best friend, would make a lot of sense

>>6044160
Her collab choices were "whoever Cover approves of", her choices now are "Anyone except Hololive".

>>6044197
Kanata was always holding her back. Besides, the little leech can just move in with Marine. I hear she's close by.

>>6044081
>Kson replaces Hime
Best timeline.

evening /vt/ros is this the thread for getting angry over baseless speculation by anons who have no connection to the people being raged about

>>6044247
This would really be best for all parties involved.

>>6044229
Besides, why would she give up a SIGNIFICANTLY better life to move back to the shithole known as the US?

>>6044218
>Coco joins vshojo
>Vshojo can collab with Hololive
No weakness.

>>6044229
Sure, keep believing whatever your sick mind tells you

>>6044229
haha meds

>>6044271
yes you're in the right place

>>6044291
>>6044276
It's inevitable, you know. Now that she's unemployed she has no income. Presumably Coco has some savings but it'll run out before long.

>>6044279
That's a fucking power move.

>>6044218
Anon once again we're talking about kson, kson never had any restrictions, she could stream anything and with anyone without cover being able to do anything as long as it doesn't involve coco or other holo members, if kson didn't collab with anyone before she won't collab with anyone now, at best you can expect a new koikatsu model with kanata's voice to appear in a few months

>>6043350
This

>>6044247
I still don't understand why Syd even bothered. She never cared, still doesn't care, and is still as much of a cringe-inducing unironic weeb as she always was.

>>6043249
>I AM KIRYU COCO AND I LIKE TO SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

>>6044328
>Now that she's unemployed she has no income
this is how you know there are only retards falseflaggers that talk from their ass

>>6044173
And those people are wrong

>>6044355
I think she cared at one point. It's just fallen into despair now. She conceptualized her model over a year ago so she was clearly pretty into it.

She's actually going to join Zone-Sama's team. Then she can talk about girls with cocks.

>90 replies
>30 ip
Jesuz are we getting raided by Vniggers discord tranny?

>>6044173
right, every woman that's not constantly talking about sex or not masturbating on chaturbate is a poor, repressed slave.

>>6044348
You're talking about the same fucking person, I don't care which persona she was using, whether she was using Coco or not it's still kson doing it.

>>6044495
IP count didn't go up when you posted either. Hows your hololive fan wiki doing, tranny?

Are all the VShojo members american? Would Coco would be the first nip member?

>>6044328
Kson opened memberships, so she has income. She probably has lots saved too (at least I hope), and already get enough to live as Kson. What I'm not sure about is if they bought the apartment or are renting, but considering she made several hundred thousands dollars, she should be fine for a few years at least

>>6044493
I fucking wish, at least we may get more Coco futa art. For all the talk about the Cocock, there's less that 10 pictures out there

>>6044419
They're right, because I say so. Kys.

>>6044500
You realize Hololive has done this more then VShojo, right?

>>6041763
Between everything that you posted, plus this tweet and the one with Melody saying she is in "important business meetings" a little before Kson's tweet, I don't know how anyone could deny the possibility of Kson joining Vshojo. Before graduation, Coco said she wanted to collab with Melody but management shut it down, and then after graduation, she said a big part of her decision to leave was because management wasn't letting her do things that she wanted. With all that information, it's hard to deny that it's certainly a realistic possibility, whether you want it to be true or not.

>>6044173
he is right though

>>6044526
I think Froot's from London.

>>6044500
Do you think women are just inherently less horny than men or what? People like fucking, you do know that right?

Is this entire board filled with nothing but sexless incels and autists? Do you even understand how much the average person thinks about sex?

>>6044566
no, because they haven't.

>>6044583
do your reps trannie

>>6044526
No, because she's American.

>>6044526
Froot and Vei are British. Ironmouse is Mexican. I've heard people say Melody is Canadian but idk if that's true or not.

>>6044607
Oh, I must have imagined those times Coco used a laser to fucking shave her pubes three times, and got other HoloLive members to do so, talked about anal plugs, creampies, Marine talking about how men like anal sex, and all those other times.

>>6044661
Mel is from SoCal. She's mentioned it once or twice before, when particularly drunk and horny.

>>6044605
>Do you think women are just inherently less horny than men or what?
Not the guy you replied to but they actually are, look up the effects of testosterone and read a bit about people transitioning, the change of sex drive is a big theme

>>6043350
me too, maybe then I'll finally like vshojo

>>6044648
She's half yeehaw and half nip. That's why her accent is so fucking ridiculous; those two cultures were never meant to interact.

>>6044661
>Mexican
Ironmouse is American you dumbasses.

>>6044550
Who hurt you

>>6044738
Puerto Rico is not American. We don't acknowledge territories.

>>6044605
of course I know that, but I don't go around acting like a thirsty retard talking about sex non stop
>>6044680
>shave her pubes three times
wasn't that twice?
>and got other HoloLive members to do so
*sources*
>talked about anal plugs
asacoco? barely related
>creampies
haven't heard that one
>Marine talking about how men like anal sex
once in her whole career
>and all those other times.
so that's it?

also yeah, that's why she had to go - she was way out of line.

>>6044789
Kill yourself.

>>6044628
I need a spotter, fill me in faggot.

>>6041763
If she goes to vjshojo she's gonna tank her image

>>6044738
Nah she speaks Spanish.

>>6044823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eple4P1a_2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL-DxK361sY
Also did it during a singing stream and a cooking stream. Four times.

>>6044738
Puerto Rico isnt technically American

Kson gonna be the spearhead for VShojoJP and have complete creative control of it and also be part of the hiring process for new talents into the JP branch along with the occasional collabs with the regular VShojo girls. Shit makes too much sense.

>>6044823
>talking about sex non stop
Where do people fucking get this idea?

It's literally just Vei that's a constant hornball, because she's a virgin shut-in. Even Mel isn't being one half the time she's on fucking CB, let alone Twitch.

>>6044838
I see you're one of those "pseudo-americans". Pour me a drink boy, and don't look at me when you hand me the glass.

>>6044089
That's just a dumb circular argument

>>6044823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQgTPGR0K9E

>>6044873
Want to know how I know you voted for Trump?

>>6044901
Mel would be taking it up the butt 24/7 if she could get away with it and you know it. She was an e-slut well before she joined Twitch and became "respectable".

>>6044069
She didn't even knew who nyanners was until vniggers kept bringing her up

>>6044901
>Vei
>Virgin
Lol the absolute state of vshojo incels

>>6044847
with who exactly? 200 people frequenting /vt/? Her Hololive gachikoi that liked her vulgarity?

>>6044607
How about that running joke about Ame's tampons?

>>6044823
Never watched Coco's streams huh?

>>6044878
Complete opposite. At the very LEAST, it IS technically American.

>>6044906
Just come out with it and admit you hate anyone who isn't a WASP already

>>6044974
What the absolute fuck are you talking about

>>6044879
I think she going be like the slung from tsunderia if she going to go that route.

>>6044081
Coco would need a team of Japanese girls that would cooperate with her on projects and shit Slutjo might give her freedom but she could stream about peepeepoopoo as Kson without leaving Holo her individual creative freedom was never core of the issue, slutjo members are collab partners at best and she doesn't even need to join slutjo to collab with this thread is full of twitchffagots that have no idea about Coco holy shit it's only possible if Vshojo would start a proper JP branch with separate management under her, nothing less would be enough.

>>6044962
lol this. She'll become more popular than ever. You honestly think some boohoo threads on /vt/ will do anything? This shithole couldn't even stop Kiara from reaching one million. Hell, it probably helped her.
>>6044959
She's not a virgin, but she is a shut-in. Vei took her god-given good looks and threw them away in favor of anime and porn.

>>6044954
Even then it's speculated she was told by Cover not to talk about Nyanners, or the other members of vshojo, but then HoloEN did collabs with them.
>>6044974
Or the constant groping when they collab in 3d.

>>6044962
vulgarity in context of tongue in cheek idol group is one thing. Vulgarity for Americans is par for the course, nothing special. Her image as someone who's good at vtubing tanks if she thinks she can be entertaining by being vulgar.

>>6044950
Have you ever actually watched one of Mel's streams? She's very casual and conversational even while she's stripping for the camera.

>>6045019
It's American in the same way that Iraq is. aka they cucked your government but they don't acknowledge you anymore

>>6045048
Coco's retired. We're talking about Kson, anonchama.

>>6045051
>God given looks
She looks like a blowup doll from the 90s have some standards

>>6045061
So, never watched a Coco stream huh? She was actually worse then most members of Vshojo

>>6045084
I have. Many. While she's being pleasant and conversational, she's letting strangers from around the world "eroticize" her snatch.

>>6044583
she also said in a members only stream that she wont be joining any other company

>>6045085
>Puerto Rico is as foreign as Iraq
You're not even trying to hide it are you

>>6045034
The one time Ame wanted to make tea with her used tampons.
Or the time Coco lend one of her two inserted tampons to Ame because she did not have one (source: Reddit review, in the beggining).

>>6044328
>has 3.5k members as kson on yt + mildom fans + whatever she gets paid to stream on mildom
>no income

Vshojo cannot hope to contain her ambition
They are small-time

>>6045061
>Vulgarity for Americans is par for the course, nothing special
Yes, of course, the country where you can't say "fuck" on TV

>>6045146

>>6045188
Low and behold, people tend to keep big reveals secret.

>>6044508
>You're talking about the same fucking person
What the fuck are you arguing retard? Coco had restrictions, kson did not

>>6041763
Joining Vshojo then simulstreaming on fc2 and chaturbate.

>>6045058
Cover probably wants nothing to do with Melody specifically, since she's a fucking camwhore. They probably don't care too much about the other members.

>>6045178
And? Your whole point was them talking about sex constantly, when you know for a fact Mel, the literal porn one, often doesn't even do it WHILE GETTING OFF. It's even less for the others, I can't even imagine unironically believing Froot talks about sex more than anything else.

>>6045271
No, pretty sure Gura even said she can't talk about Nyanners once. But then Cover said 'ok do collabs'

I'll believe it when I see it. Disregarding than the fact that Coco publicly stated she isn't planning on joining other agencies, what's the incentive to join VShojo vs. staying as an independent? Like seriously, what is the incentive? VShojo offers her nothing she can't get on her own. She's free to do collabs and whatnot but that doesn't mean she's gonna join them.

The faggots in this thread only watch coco meme review and it shows and never seen a single kson stream.

>>6045229
Isn't it a defining feature of American TV how often characters casually swear?

>>6045247
why the fuck does every retard on this board believe the exact opposite of whatever people say

>>6045317
Vshojo isn't really an agency though. And at the most, she'd probably do collabs with them.

>>6045019
>Just come out with it and admit you hate anyone who isn't a WASP already
I'm not American, but I won't acknowledge you as an American if you aren't this. Sorry, Paco.

>>6045253
But she wasn't using kson for vtubing, she used Coco for that.

Whether she'll use kson for vtubing now or make a new character remains to be seen. The POINT is that it's all the same person. We're talking meta here, you can drop this retarded kayfabe shit.

>>6045343
why join then? whats the advantage she gets from joining vs streaming solo?

>>6045317
Please understand, I need the drama

>>6045340
Let's see, what are some major examples I can give...
>Toho said they won't make another godzilla movie with america
>they make the Monsterverse
>Grant Kirkhope saying Banjo isn't in Smash Bros, despite working on Smash Bros and Banjo getting in.

>>6045294
Well, I don't have proof of Gura or Coco saying that, but Cover definitely did let them collab with Nyanners, so until you provide some actual proof, I'm right and you're wrong.

>>6043588
Froot wasn't a vtuber either and she's doing pretty well for herself for someone who's only been at it for 6 months.

>>6043466
They don't keep the merch money that's how VShojo itself raises money. But subs, donos, and bits are all theirs

>>6045360
Thankfully I don't have to care what you think.

>>6045384
A steady income. VShojo members keep all their donations for themselves, unless they're raising money for charity.

>>6045430
Sure but Froot was in the community. She made costumes (and still does) for dozens of vtubers. She fit in a helluva lot better than Hime ever did.

>>6045464
and if she's solo she has to... give money to the voices in your head??????

>>6045058
This is retarded, this was after the restrictions were lifted and the vshojo collab with Kiara was anounced, do you even watch streams or at the very least clips or love talkibg out of your ass?

Stop spamming these threads vshojo beggars

>>6045445
Me neither, since you aren't white.

>>6045205
You sure you're not talking about the community joke of her straining tea through her kneesocks. I don't remember her ever talking about tampons at all

>>6045512
And Coco said she couldn't mention Melody or Nyanners before the collab between VShojo and Kiara.

Honestly though why would I watch vroasties if there's plenty of wholesome chuubas that just want to have fun and make friends and I dont need to listen about her stretched out holes and constant thirst for sperm?

>>6045377
>But she wasn't using kson for vtubing
Anon please, at least look through kson's channel before saying retarded shit
>We're talking meta here, you can drop this retarded kayfabe shit.
What are you even trying to say? Coco had literal restrictions put on her, kson did not have these because her real self is not coco, we're talking about the rules and enviroment they had, not her personality

>>6045237
Kek that guy still looks more like a normal human than she does

>>6045572
>holopuritans.
You realize even the lewdcast is done, right? And Melody barely streams on Chaturbate now? You have to dilate.

>>6045567
Mel might still be blacklisted. Nyanners is crude but she's not a literal porn star like Mel is.

>>6045292
Froot cheated on her husband she's the worst one by far

>>6045613
lewdcast is done I'm pretty sure, but Mel streamed on CB twice last week alone. She just does it when she feels like it.

>>6042307
Not necessarily. She could just be VShojo adjacent like Snuffy.

>>6045572
Because I'm not a puritan and that's not all they talk about anyway?

>>6041763
More like vshojo is desperately going after her.

>>6045672
I don't get this whole hate for VShojo /vt/ has. Literal IRL streamers spread their actual labia on stream and get verbally warned, but /vt/ acts like VShojo is the anti-christ.

>>6045656
>caring about something that has zero direct impact on you

Literally no better than a gossiping scullery maid.

>>6042772
Do we still not know why Dr. Disrespect got permabanned?

>>6042112
the only reason i'd say its a joke that she'd join vshojo is that she specifically said as coco that she wasn't joining anywhere else. Of course, she still could, but it would bring into question everything else she's said as coco. We could no longer take as fact alot of things she was saying as Coco. I just think this means she's going to collab with Vshojo, which she of course is free to do as an indie, and having the manager of vshojo followed makes them easier to contact for that sort of stuff. Also switching to Twitch makes no sense, her primary audience is JOP's. It would make more sense to go back to niconico, and that still wouldn't make sense. She's gonna stay on Youtube and Mildom.

>>6045656
Cheating happens all the time, there's a statistically significant chance you've done it yourself. I don't see why I should care.

>>6045735
He filmed a person in a fucking public bathroom, pissing. And since he didn't have tits for twitch admins to simp about, he got the boot.

>>6045720
It's almost like /vt/ is full of nip apologist fags or something.

>>6045720
You do realize most people here also hate IRL streamers that act like whores right? People focus on vshojo because (they think) they are bringing the twitch whore culture into vtubing

>>6045737
It could also be a mistranslated thing. Coco isn't joining anything else, but KSon hasn't mentioned anything about joining or not joining companies. Remember, she was still under the 'kayfabe' at the time.

>>6045723
>>6045748
This is why vshojo incels deserve zero respect.

>>6045464
For the regular person thats great but Kson is beyond the point of needing any sort of agency for popularity

>>6045464
Anon are you literally retarded?

>>6045787
They're pretty tame from what I've seen. It's the ones not part of vshojo that concern me. A goldfish one that uses a voice similar to gura's talked about bukkake.

>>6045567
Yes? That's what I'm talking about. Even after the restrictions being lifted she said she didn't know who Nyanners was when vbeggars aked her if she would collab with Nyanners l

>>6045812
This. She was playing a character. She also said the reason why she was graduating was because she paid off her debt to Yagoo for dragon divebombing the Cover office when she first joined. Or do you think she's actually a dragon?

>>6045149
I've been a long time paying member, she was leaning hard into the vulgar stuff because it made her unique in Hololive which is meant for JP audience. Vshojo isn't JP. If you're going to criticize me then fault me for not watching vshojo because I find them boring.

>>6045613
>Noooooo, you MUST watch whores and listen to whoretalk!!!!
I just dont want to listen to this kind of shit. Is that bad? Do you need sexual innuendos in everything you consume? You watch a game of soccer and want the speaker to go 'oh ye thats some sexy lookin ball, speaking of balls, I haven't shaved mine in a month! Haha. Sweaty, hairy balls with smegma covered stick.'

>>6045868
Yet she instantly followed Nyanners after graduating. That's the fucking odd part.

>>6045867
I don't watch vshojo so I don't know if they're tame or not, my point is just that people are reacting to the twitch whore culture in general that they hate getting closer to vtubers/hololive/their niche hobby

>>6045229
No one watching vtubers cares about American tv which is meant for normal people

>>6045891
He's the kind of person who kneels for every sports event to make his little white cock feel tingly

>>6045812
>Remember, she was still under the 'kayfabe' at the time.
You might as well believe that everything about coco is fake, she doesn't actually live with kanata and she actually still works at cover as a manager because everything she said was all under the kayfabe

>>6045891
>>6045884
>IT'S OK WHEN THE JAPANESE COMPANY DOES IT

>>6045883
>saying you aren't interested in joining other agencies is part of the kayfabe of being a dragon
Holy fuck the retards on here.

>>6045812
I mean yes you can argue that way but do you think Coco is stupid enough to think that line of logic will work with her viewers, and more importantly, her HoloLive friends? You think the other HoloMems would've allowed Coco to leave just to join VShojo? Seriously? Even if they didn't know you think they're going to take it lying down? That Coco would betray her friends like that?

>>6045891
Do you unironically think this is even half of what the VS girls say on a daily basis? How fucking warped is your view?

I guarantee most of these Holoniggers don't even watch VShojo, they just parrot talking points from defensive weebs who hate every vtuber that isn't Japanese.

>>6045891
There's a pretty wide margin of error between funny and cringe with those topics and somehow Vshojo always falls on the cringe side

>>6045908
Gee it's not like the vshojos were tweeting at her roommate at every chance they could and following takes literally no effort or space

>>6045949
She literally said in the same members chat that she was graduating because she paid off the debt of crashing into HoloLive HQ. Do you actually think she's a 7 meter tall purple dragon that can turn into a 7 foot tall woman who wears a tail buttplug?

>>6045953
>IT'S OK WHEN MY COMPANY DOES IT

>>6045953
It's not that it's okay, it's just funnier because of how conformist/strict their culture is in contrast.

>>6046001
so she didn't graduate either then?

>>6045953
It's kinda true to be honest, when there's novelty people tend to follow. Whoreness wouldn't be a novelty among vwhores.

>>6045931
You're acting like using an anime avatar instead of a facecam is like some kind of ultra-unique thing that needs to be fucking guarded by a bunch of sperging autistic fanboys.

The only thing ACTUALLY unique about it is that the avatars are animated, since static anime avatars have been around forever. Other than that, it's just streaming, and all of this just strikes me as typical weeb spergfits against non-Japanese things.

>>6045987
How is changing companies because you can't work on what you want to work on a betrayal? You sound like a child. If a company doesn't gives you what you want you're free to look somewhere else

>>6045953
Unironically yes.

>half the people in this thread are probably the same people who said she's le reddit cringe dragon and sounds like someone throat fucked mickey mouse who relied on sex humor
>oh but she's too good for vshojo

>>6044160
>kson literally has collabed with 5 people total, do you think she had no friends aside from holo friends
Yes? Have you ever checked her twitter? She's always with the same person everywhere

>>6046001
She said that she wouldn't join hololive management, therefore she's actually still in hololive working as a manager
She said that she would continue living with kanata, therefore she's actually changing homes or maybe she never even lived with kanata since it was all kayfabe
You realize how retarded you sound?

>>6046084
>The only thing ACTUALLY unique about it is that the avatars are animated, since static anime avatars have been around forever. Other than that, it's just streaming, and all of this just strikes me as typical weeb spergfits against non-Japanese things.
Yes, that's the whole point, people that have hobbies are very conservative about their hobbies. Are you new to the human experience?

>>6046150
OK, faggot. Now talk about Kson.

>>6046089
What does vshojo offer that neither cover offers or being an indie offers
Keep in mind that coco doesn't need the exposure and doesn't need to belong to a company to collab with them

>>6046150
I suppose you think Hulk Hogan is still a 'major threat' to the younger wrestlers because he said it himself.

>>6046084
You're right. It's hololive that's unique. Maybe they talk about sexual stuff from time to time whether it's fanservice or just fucking around, but in the end they are idols, they do wholesome stuff and that's what most of them tries to focus on.

>>6046164
No, but that doesn't mean I'm just going to accept their crap. The conservative mindset is so dreadfully stifling and moronic, and I am glad to see it repelled where possible so the rest of us can just chill out.

>>6046219
>What does vshojo offer that neither cover offers or being an indie offers
Not censoring AsaCoco and collabs that Coco wants to do at least

I wonder if kson/Coco will regret her retirement in the future...
I mean, if she continues to stream, and thing don't go well economically for example. And I have my doubts that she will be in a better situation in case the makes a 180° turn and dedicates her life to a whole different thing, I mean, it's not impossible but highly unlikely to find a better job (being a successful streamer is a dream job, and you know it)

>>6046281
So now it's about Vshojo not being wholesome? Didn't they just do a charity to raise donations for nonprivileged children?

>>6046281
Japanese idol culture is toxic as all fuck and it says a lot about the mindset of non-Japanese weebs that they want to replicate that culture themselves.

>>6046314
>being an indie she will censor herself

>>6046164
based post
soulless weaklings who never truly enjoy anything wouldn't understand it.

What I’m surprised about is that these associations are being made so soon. Like even entertaining talking to Gunrun so soon like not even after vacationing is interesting and feeding the speculations. Omg I’m so curious to see what happens next!

>>6046150
>Kana can't mention Kson, despite her probably being in the same fucking room

>>6046191
She's a slobby hikki who has collabed with 1 fucking person in the last year, and she has a contract to stream on mildom, but apparently in your fantasies she's going to completely change personalities and she's going to join/collab with vshojos because a "friend" is in there

>>6046331
Fuck you fag. That doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that I can pretend like they're my virgin wives.

>>6041763
Do you think SHE wanted us to know about Kson?
A lot of the things she said regarding her graduation and future plans, she said it as if she was giving a hint to her most hardcore fans.
Kind of like "You know where to find me!" vibe to it

>>6046381
All I said is she's more likely to collab with vshojo. But now I want her to join just because it'd break your fucking mind.

>>6046314
>or being an indie

>>6046320
Well, god (Matsuri) already said that if she find out that Coco isn't happy in whatever the fuck she does in the future, she will force Coco's ass right back to hololive. Who knows...

>>6046406
None of Hololive are virgins.

>>6046358
There's a difference between ME liking something and trying to gatekeep what others should and shouldn't do. They can do whatever they want, I can do whatever I want.

All of this really does sound more like Holoniggers actively wanting EOPs to just be shut out entirely, for there to be no non-Japanese vtubers and no non-weeb vtuber fans. They don't want everyone to be happy, they want to specifically prevent certain people from enjoying something.

>>6046415
I mean, it was better to embrace it. Cause there's no hiding that fucking voice.

>>6046347
>toxic
take your pronouns elsewhere

>>6046447
And Fubuki said she will quit if Hololive becomes a black company. Let's just wait to see if they get genshin permissions or something, and we'll know what happened

>>6046456
Botan and Mio might be. Their roommates aren't the best looking ladies in glorious nippon.

>>6046406
Absolutely pathetic. Go outside you incel fuck.

>>6046406
pick up a football, jesus christ.

>>6046430
>All I said is she's more likely to collab with vshojo
About 1% more likely considering she has collabed with a total of 1 (one) person in the entire past year, but feel free to keep dreaming

>>6046347
I don't want to replicate that shit. They can do whatever they want in real life. But I want to know nothing of that, I want them to keep a facade and act like they are seiso idols.

>>6046347
Which is why Hololive is great because it looks like it's way better than regular idols (except if you're Mel...)

>>6046501
>ugly women can't have sex
Sure anon, whatever you believe. Botan is also old, she's 100% not a virgin. You also don't know what they looked like when they were 16

>>6046536
>She doesn't collab.
>we have hours of fucking evidence she likes working with others, lives with other vtubers, and the like
You're right, anon, she won't collab ever again.

>>6046089
Uhh because she's literally said she's not going to and then proceeds to do it? That she gives one story to her fans and HoloMems and then jumps ship to another?

I'm not saying she isn't free to look elsewhere. I'm not saying Coco needs to be loyal to any company. I'm saying Coco herself said she wasn't looking elsewhere and that's what she publicly stated. If you don't like the term betrayal, fine. Call her a liar.

>>6046610
>HULK HOGAN WOULD NEVER BETRAY THE WWE
>joins WCW
It's called making sure you have an income to keep fucking doing what you're doing. News flash, shit costs money and Kson isn't going to leech off Kana when her royalties for being Coco run out.

>>6046593
Small nitpick, some people are loner by nature but once they're in a group they help a lot and enjoy it, they just don't try anything to be in a group at first. She entered Hololive to be a manager at first

>>6046610
Could be also that things have changed since. She probably said at some point during the harassment that she won't graduate yet here we are. I wouldn't hold it against her

>>6046406
Based.
>>6046331
You think I care about some whore charity fest? They could've made a fucking 24 hour relay chaturbate stream and donated all their whore money to some poor children for all I care. Good for them.

>>6046660
Who says she wont? Kanata is weak; she'd loan Coco money if asked.

>>6046474
tone it done with the racism, this is a wholesome board.

>>6046703
How come Hololive never donated to charity?

>>6046381
Not to mention, vsh*jo just piggybacks off established personalities as it's nothing more than twitch's official piggybacking off the trend just taking whatever is big on its platform (and some random bullshit that wasn't but had the right connections) and going "there you're a group now" which is entirely different than how Holo or Nijisanji works where there are auditions, you apply, are screened, start over with a new character/personality etc. It takes no specific talent to get into vshojo other than being like by a million 12 year olds because you constantly give them boners. snuffy will be the next one and that is guess what, her entire fucking schtick. They are just trying to leech her name even though she can't bring over the coco avatar or personality, that belongs to cover.

She'd have to start over from scratch and specifically has never actually been an English streamer or twitch user, and her roommate already has like 600k subs and probably a substantial portion of her Holo income (if not more without Cover cuts) going. She also specifically fucking said, she was not planning on doing any more vtubing aka isn't just hopping ship somewhere.

Vshojo management doesn't fucking care (or maybe doesn't even fucking know because they're just poser faggots managing a bunch of people just aping a Japanese scene), they're trying for her anyway, probably making ridiculous offers etc thinking this is their big break for legitimacy or competition with Holo. It isn't. If she joins we'll fucking just turn on her instantly as she'll be an abject bald-faced liar for doing so, we have it on video. All that teary shit over her graduation, the emotions of her genmates and Holos etc, all just to hang out with copycat twitch ethots? No, the goodwill people have for her would be ruined, the sympathy assuming it was Cover or China's fault vs Coco being a bitch would be severely depleted. Cover would instantly lose any perception of being the badguy here and it'd be abundantly clear coco is just that much of a fucking trashy lowlife that she'd leave the top dog position just to pander to the giving-12-year-olds-boners-on-twitch crowd.

>>6046728
Japanese think basically all charities are scams 100%. Seriously.

>>6046711
Oh she totally would, but Kson wouldn't do that. From what we've seen of the almost 2 years she was active as Coco, she had to be forced to accept gifts, such as the switch or the new bed.

>>6046593
>we have hours of fucking evidence she likes working with others, lives with other vtubers, and the like
Feel free the show me the tons of kson collab streams, you can even include her old niconico ones if you want.

>>6046347
>toxic
this bitch was leading us with his bait all along, I thought that he was just retarded

>>6046728
They did, it's called paying your taxes in a country that has social programs in places. Why do you think donations to charity are tax-deductible?

>>6046499
>Genshin permission
Anon, that doesn't depend on Cover. After the Kayano Ai debacle, I think Cover simply won't get any big Chinese IP permission anymore.
The nationalist chinks and schizos will torch any company that shows slight interest to reach "traitors and offenders" and ignore the past. They're like a fucking cancer.

>>6046794
Good then, it proves in part that the theory of investors pushing Coco out to get back the Chinese market may be wrong and that I can keep part of my trust in Hololive

>>6046741
You realize Hime never streamed on twitch at all. Or Zentreya used to be Youtube exclusive. Right? But clearly, hololive isn't out to give people boners either. Now excuse me while I dry hump my Korone pillow.

>>6046406
>Fuck you fag. That doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that I can pretend like they're my virgin wives.

>>6046821
>Good then, it proves in part that the theory of investors pushing Coco out to get back the Chinese market may be wrong and that I can keep part of my trust in Hololive
Anon you're extremely retarded for even entertaining that idea, you should leave this board since it's clearly not good for you

>>6046777
Oh let me link you to her entire coco channel then, since you're clearly a new possible fan.
>>6046793
Is that why Japan's amongst the top 10 that have homeless people?

>>6045812
Coco said this in English, it isn't a mistranslation, and those sorts of cute word games aren't gonna work. I think you don't really watch Hololive if you're considering it the 'kayfabe' and not sincere, that's not really part of accepted hololive culture. Basically if it does happen, everyone involved, Kson, Hololive, the talents, all will lose face and respect by the fans. Really hope she doesn't stain her legacy like that.

>>6045998
Here's something that needs to be pointed out and hasn't been because nobody on this site seems to know how to use Twitter. She's only following 96 people. For a 5 year old Twitter account that's a really, really small number. Most people will follow something like 50 accounts the very first day they make one. This could be for any number of reasons but if it's a Twitter account that's only made for official reasons (fans being able to see when streams start, etc) then a small number is normal, and the people that do get followed are likely to be people you work or associate with.

>>6046741
Think of what vshojo’s pitch could be to her. Complete creative freedom to do what she wants, doesn’t even have to use an avatar meanwhile they act as her talent agency for management services. Gunrun’s pitch has got to look like something like this, thoughts?

>>6046728
They donated more to charity off a single stream than all of the vshojo ones combined lmao

>>6046935
>toughts?
ask what else they got because if im solo i can do all of the above withouth putting a shitstain on my name

>>6046873
>Is that why Japan's amongst the top 10 that have homeless people?
What are you talking about? Japan is near the bottom, with 0.3 homeless people per 10 000, and 4555 homeless people per night

>>6046935
>You can do what you want, just like an indie, and we offer you no benefit in return.
So this is the wisdom of American business

>>6046873
I really wanted to put >inb4 he links me meme review but I thought that you wouldn't be so retarded to do that, I'm sorry for overestimating you. Since you can't link me the vast amount of collabs from kson from the kson ON AIR channel, or her mildom channel, or even her old niconico channels, then I can say that kson might not have any interest in collabing with anyone aside from her closest friends

>>6046975
You need to understand that it's just your small band of turboautists on 4chinz that hate VShojo, it's not a shit brand to anyone else.

>>6046660
Do you even watch Coco? She literally says that she has enough money to be completely self sufficient for a long time to come.

Do you seriously think she will starve if she doesn't join VShojo? Do you know how to do math? Does the most superchatted youtuber ever not mean anything? That a $306k in superchats from graduation stream alone? You should sit down and do the math on how much she's gotten from memberships Anon. We're talking easily in the 30k a month range even after all the fees are removed. If you seriously think she's doing this for the money, news flash, VShojo will never be able to offer her enough.

The difference between Vtubing and wrestling is that wrestling a career that is guaranteed continue in the next 20 years. Cover won't exist in the next 10 years. Vshojo won't exist in the next 10 years. Coco doesn't need either of them to continue living.

>>6047048
They get associated with a brand name and a big push in popularity from being associated with that brand retardchama. Along with legal protections and technical support.

>>6046916
Well, any smart streamer will know that her fans know that their alt accounts are like extensions of their avatar accounts (a.k.a official Hololive account). So, Coco most likely chose to ignore the "following" button for her alt account and avoid any polemic, at least as long as she was a Cover employee.

>>6046935
Coco isn't actually that in tune with the English audience. Like at all. She's fundamentally more Japanese than Western 10x over. On meme review she said a waifu is "someone you beat off to" etc, she has actually not a great understanding and is pretty disparaging of America/the West overall constantly making fun of how shitty and trashy things were where she grew up. So she'd have not as strong a connection or drive to work around them as people assume. She can speak English but isn't even actually that good at it, constantly has grammatical errors etc. Sure it's a million times better than someone like Haachama but it's not like she actually cares a ton about the West to pander to us.

Meme review she only kept going at all costs no matter how fucking lame it got, because it was literally the only thing giving her big numbers. She said outright one of the reasons she graduated was she got really insecure over numbers comparing herself to others, as in other Holos, asking herself what she's doing wrong etc. Not that most reddit (or any vshojo faggots) would know this but Coco was actually not that popular outside of meme review, like at all. She had a very dedicated gachikoi fanbase but her numbers outside meme review were really nothing special, out of 4th gen I think Kanata and Watame consistently were doing better than her in fucking everything besides meme review which had like a 20-30k guaranteed extra viewers padding no matter how terrible it was. So I'm saying the one (1) (uno) thing she was doing to pander to the west, which are streams almost entirely in fucking Japanese anyway by the way, was only because it was BIIIG NUMBERS which actually as it turns out meant the world to her. So, all things considered, her attitude to working with the West is probably not as open as people might think.

>>6047102
Not that anon but don't forget that youtube takes a 30% cut, Cover half of what's left and she pays taxes in Japan AND in America. She's well off for sure though

>>6042307
>>6042471
>not stating facts

Come back when it's official. Otherwise, it's conspiracy theory garbage

>>6047109
>They get associated with a brand name and a big push in popularity from being associated with that brand retardchama.
Coco and now kson are bigger than vshojo, if anythign vshojo gains far far more from getting her than the other way
>Along with legal protections and technical support.
Indies don't need legal protection, and she doesn't need technical support

>>6047109
>kson needing a big push when everyone knows who she is
>brand name that doesnt do anything for their talents
>legal protections?

>>6044069
>Close friends with lolicons/shotacons
>Collabs with the Queen of Ironic Weebs
Dunno how to feel about this.

>>6047109
Yeah so nothing useful

>vshojo collabs and coco collabs with holoEN open at the same time
>coco leaves hololive to be kson and become a vshojo
>???????
>i have no idea where this was going

>>6045464
Bro she's been getting on average 1-2 dozen members a day.
Plus her ex-roomate just made her enough money to buy a decent car.
She'll be fine if she doesn't splurge

>>6047178
600k youtube subs is not bigger than all of vshojo lol. And being associated with a company is good regardless. it helps you get taken more seriously and gets your foot in the door. Do you think that Nyanners would have gotten to perform with Kizuna Ai if she didn't have a company standing alongside her?

>>6047224
>leave hololive to join vshojo
>get collabs with holoEN

>>6047178
>bigger than vshojo
Coco was barely bigger than fucking Nyanners, what are you talking about?

>>6047258
>And being associated with a company is good regardless. it helps you get taken more seriously and gets your foot in the door.
Being associated with a company is precisely why she left Hololive in the first place

>>6047141
>She said outright one of the reasons she graduated was she got really insecure over numbers comparing herself to others, as in other Holos, asking herself what she's doing wrong etc.
That sounds very weird coming from her, especially considering what she said to Watame at that time

>>6047289
>Gets restricted at said company
>Different company doesn't have same restrictions but keeps advantages of being a company
Do the math

>>6047285
some people here still think Hololive are untouchable, I say this as a hololive fan myself they dont realize just how large nyanners, ironmouse and i think veibae is also big. other ones arent small either a few thousand viewer streamers which is in line with the smaller holos.
they arent marines or pekoras but theyre very very big relatively speaking.

>>6047258
Coco holds the record for literally everything but subs in vtubing, she's FAR FAR bigger than vshojo and if you don't think the same then you're a fucking retard
>And being associated with a company is good regardless. it helps you get taken more seriously and gets your foot in the door
She doesn't need it, what do you even mean by getting your foot on the door? Kson has free publicity just from existing and every company would be killing to have her if she was willing to join another company
>Do you think that Nyanners would have gotten to perform with Kizuna Ai if she didn't have a company standing alongside her?
Kson could collab with literally anyone simply because she was coco and nobody would think of rejecting her (except kizuna because of chinks and joining any other company won't change that)

>>6047044
He must have confused JP with CA and NY

>>6047285
>Number 1 in superchats
>most watched vtuber stream ever and nothing but another holo graduation will surpass it
But sure, only a bit bigger than nyaggers, what the fuck is wrong with vshojotards' brains

>>6047403
That's Coco. She doesn't have the name, model, or brand anymore. 600k YT subs on your own is different from 1.39m when part of a company with dozens of streamers with viewcounts in the thousands backing you up, recommending you, and promoting your projects. It's a completely different playing field lol.

>>6043908
Take your meds

>>6047415
There's this weird thing among Americans where they unironically believe japan is secretly full of hobos crime and rape because no society could truly be that civilized

>>6045841
indeed

>>6047322
He's an EOP who has no idea what he's talking about, ignore him.

>>6047497
still here trannie?

You guys are silly thinking an indie of her size would do LITERALLY everything herself. She absolutely would want an agency, management, label, ect. backing her. If vshojo offers a good management deal to her, and with vshojo not having splits, I can totally see this happening. This would be a massive get for vshojou. Wouldn’t be surprised if a bigger talent agency picks her up outside of the vtuber world.

>>6047327
Being in a company is a tradeoff, not strictly a good thing. Considering she just quit one, I think she'll be indie for a while

>>6047340
Most holos are around 3-5k regular viewers, not much more

>>6047403
She has the best peaks, but that doesn't translate to regular viewers. Her Minecraft streams had what, 3k people watching her? Luna often gets as much, and it's Luna. Most of her content is zatsudans/superchat reading, which are great for Japanese gachikoi, but that's it. Her ratio regular viewers/superchats is one of the best of Hololive though

>>6047474
>backing you up, recommending you, and promoting your projects.
Anon, I...
Also please check kson's stats the past month, I implore you

>>6045687
This
I doubt she would be eager to join any group right after "leaving on her own"
Mayyybe down the line she could join but I wouldn't hold my breath

>>6047464
It's 1.39 mil vs 1.26 mil. It's really not huge.

>>6047141
I agree with most of your points but I want to clarify that Coco wasn't really in such a bad spot you're trying to make. I think Coco in general, doesn't really enjoy to "play" things as much as the other streamers, and let's be honest, playing is like the main part of being a streamer. And like you said, her main segments (reddit shitpost review and asacoco) were in decay or simply abandoned. She wasn't really a good singer and even when she tried (and she really improved IMO) you could feel that she didn't really enjoy it. Most of the least popular Holos are cool with being unpopular because they simply enjoy the idol thing and play occasionally regardless of their audience, and as long as they have a stable income you can bet they'll continue to stream in Hololive even with three digit watchers.

Coco retired because she didn't really enjoy the thing anymore. kson will probably stream whatever the fuck she wants and will do all sorts of things (not simply play and sing), so that's a huge plus.

Nobody in this thread has any idea what the fuck they are talking about.
It's hilarious

>>6047617
>She absolutely would want an agency, management, label, ect. backing her
For what? Why is it that you people are never able to point at what exactly management, labels, agencies are doing? Agencies are nice when you want to often have sponsorships and access to new games, but she already had something with the Yakuza people, and is already paid by Mildom. She also has all the technical knowledge necessary, and know how to find a house. What exactly would they give her?

>>6047617
> Wouldn’t be surprised if a bigger talent agency picks her up outside of the vtuber world.

This is more likely to happen than joining VShojo. Why would she want to join VShojo when she is bigger and has more influence than all of them. She doesn't need an agency to back her. She has more clout in VTubing than VShojo does. If she doesn't want to manage the more mundane stuff, she can get her own A-chan instead of relying on VShojo.

>>6047617
>managment backing her
for what? picking her nose? shaving her pubes?

>>6047617
>You guys are silly thinking an indie of her size would do LITERALLY everything herself.
Anon, kson only uses a vtubing model so she doesn't have to put makeup everytime she streams, and the vtuber model she has is a fucking koikatsu model, she doesn't need help because she doesn't do much at all, what the fuck would an agency even do to help her? And no she doesn't need the publicity either

>>6047569
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh0hj7Lh0nc

>one of the reasons I graduated
>yeah, comparing yourself to others and being disappointed
>like with others, what makes me worse than them?
>for the first time, I felt like being here didn't make me happy

No, she actually was a supreme numberfag. Most Holos actually are in private and just put on a holier-than-thou act if you talk about it to or around them, but no, humans are competitive and don't just live in bubbles generally.

>>6047715
That reddit shitpost thing became actual shit, and not the entertaining kind. Glad to have been able to seen it happen in real time.

>>6045812
Since when Coco or Holomem in general care about muh "keyfabe" this much, do you think they've watched Gigguk or something? Fuck of with this shit shojotourist, if Coco wanted to be "in character" it would be obvious, otherwise her gachi would've been pissed, this separation is like 100% shojoniger invention I have no idea why this other anon even bothered to entertain you with an answear.

>>6047818
Why don't you people just admit it's not really that it's so unlikely she'd join, you just don't like VShojo so you're actively hoping she doesn't? Lie just admit it, just admit you're a bunch of pathetic gatekeeping weebs who hate America already and stop pretending she's some kind of all-powerful streamer god who don't need no help or whatever.

>>6047836
>I'm not an EOP
>look at me misinterpret this out of context translated clip with a clickbait title discussing one issue she faced leading up to her graduation

>>6047648
Her Minecraft streams got way more than that it was not pekora numbers but her regular streams average around from 5k to 9k which is a middle size holo numbers.

She really shine with things like meme review and asacoco. Asacoco got around 20k views and meme review is always 20k+

>>6047920
Fuck you I love America. I just hate white women.

>>6047901
Coco has also gone out of her way to make it clear that she is just herself as Coco and isn't playing up any specific act or character.

>>6047270
It ain't happenin
And even if it did, just imagining the awkwardness of one of the EN girls pretending to meet "Not-Coco-Chan" for the first time would make me wish it didn't happened

>>6047836
No you retarded EOP, she's not talking about numbers.
She's tlaking about being restricted by management, all her projects were always shut down because she had antis waiting for any mistake, so management killed all her projects to stop any yabs.
That's what she's talking about, seeing others being able to have their projects and events when all her ideas got shut down made her feel that way, the fact that she even told others about it shows how much of a good girl she is, anyone in her position would feel the same way, it has nothing to do with numbers, she regularly tells her fans that they shouldn't watch all her streams because she tries to make content for differet audiencies.
She's the exact opposite of a numberfag.
Do your reps and stop relying on clips.

>>6047836
>supreme numberfag
It's what being on platforms like YouTube does to people. A lot of content creators talk about how the analytics start defining their emotional state. I figure stock investor are probably similar where a 3% increase makes them happy but a 5% drop ruins their day

>>6047920
but what would vshojo bring to the table that being she wouldnt get when being an indie

>>6047920
She's not gonna join any agency period, not vshojo, not voms, not animare because she doesn't fucking need to, she's set as a streamer

>>6047747
Talent does not want to be reading emails all the time, or negotiating deals, or scheduling sponsorships, or scheduling and setting up events all by herself. Even some of the most low effort Instagram influencers are under talent agencies for management deals.

>>6047969
>get proven completely wrong
>try to weasel out of it

I won't even say nice try because you have no actual rebuttal and are yourself mischaracterizing it. It's not "out of context" when she directly says it's one of the reasons she graduated. Not only that but numberfagging was THE first thing that actually made her unhappy to be a holo. So it must be a way fucking bigger deal than she ever let on. Unless you are going to just say she's lying there in which case you're living in your own reality now.

>>6042112
Maybe she listened to Mogra before the pandemic.

>>6045418
the only think i remember about nya and gura was when someone ask here about other v tubers and she told us that there were to many holomembers so she only watched holo

>>6047715
> Coco retired because she didn't really enjoy the thing anymore. kson will probably stream whatever the fuck she wants and will do all sorts of things (not simply play and sing), so that's a huge plus.

Exactly. People who think kson will be a carbon copy of Coco on a different channel are going to be disappointed. Coco was her primary job and commitment. Kson may become her primary job and commitment OR it may be something she does as a hobby while pursuing other things in life.


>>6047920
1. I literally do not care enough about VShojo to hate or love them. They exist is the extent of my opinion about them. Tell me where have I said I hated them.

2. Why should I believe Coco will join VShojo when there is no other evidence (other than a couple of follows) or incentive to do so? I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what VShojo can objectively offer her that she can't do herself. Or any VTubing agency?

Anon you're grasping here and going straight for the strawman.

>>6048116
>Talent does not want to be reading emails all the time, or negotiating deals, or scheduling sponsorships, or scheduling and setting up events all by herself
Freelancers do all the time and seem to be doing fine

>Even some of the most low effort Instagram influencers are under talent agencies for management deals.
They are because the talent agencies are looking for them because that's how advertising is done these days

>>6048116
how do the big solo streamers deal with all of that then? or are you just making shit up

>>6048117
She was comparing the fact that her coworkers were achieving their dreams, and she wasn't even allowed to make her funny news show. She has literally spent hours talking about her reasons, but you think it's numbers because you're an EOP and can only understand an 8 minute clip.

>>6048117
Seething clipwatcher

>>6047836
I knew this clip was the one you were referencing in an earlier comment, its fucking clear its not numbers but the fact that she was fucking shut down from everything and watching everyone else be allowed to continue as normal with support and all because of Covers dogshit management on top of a few other things like individual talents but comparing numbers is not what i gathered from this shit. Other anon already responded the same thing but you ignored the actual response and just cherry picked a short form one with a non-answer jesus christ.

>>6048116
>Talent does not want to be reading emails all the time, or negotiating deals, or scheduling sponsorships, or scheduling and setting up events all by herself. Even some of the most low effort Instagram influencers are under talent agencies for management deals.
I think you have some grand ideas of what kson does, but she's just a cosplay/make-up/gaming streamer, she doesn't really need an agency for anything

>>6047836
"For the first time I felt being here didn't make happy" followed by "I want to be my true self with you guys". I think it's more "They are doing what they love while I'm always getting my plans blocked" than "THE NUMBERS". Pekora had a few days like that earlier in the year where she was really depressed because management blocked some project or something. She also seem to be talking about outside deals, which were impacted a lot by the antis situation. Just count the appearance in HoloGra of talents and you'll see what she's talking about

>>6048002
The marshmallow was asking about voice acting and basically how she gets nitpicked and compared to others. In other words, criticism of her mickey mouse voice. And it seems, that made her doubt herself a lot. She also follows up her reply with advice on how to approach talking to people who clearly were singing better than you as well etc, basically to trying to put on a happy/positive spin on those conversations even though in reality, on the inside she was insecure about her voice vs theirs.

Consider Towa also changed her voice over time in response to criticism and is from the same gen and it's probably a conversation topic that was pretty common amongst themselves. I don't know why they would change their voice other than for more success aka bigger numbers. Coco decided not to change her voice and wound up being not actually that successful viewer-wise outside meme review. Maybe she wonders if she should have or if it would have made her a more well-rounded success than just the meme review/asacoco person.

So basically it's not numbers or management but I'd say it's probably closer to numbers in spirit. Pekora's voice was also panned hard but she just kept at it and became one of the biggest successes; Coco probably thought she would go the same way but didn't really and became pigeonholed.

>>6048799
Not to mention Luna's voice is also a constant source of critique. Only ppt and Watame aren't really panned for their voices out of that gen.

>>6048613
They wanted her to conform and just do game and singing streams and the occasional concerts. Probably has more to do with investors looking at the numbers and seeing what increases the brand more i.e sponsorships and Coco's stuff wasn't good for getting brand deals.

>>6046591
frankly if you want a virgin milf, your head is screwed on wrong.

>>6044733
no you idiot, she's a full blooded nip she was just born there

>>6048986
Content Coco wanted to make didnt align with Covers direction on top of those several months after Taiwan shit with Zhang infestation is what made all that align with giving things like sponsorships near her and greenlighting her shit. Its literally not numbers

>>6049196
I think it's pretty funny how ppl really think she was actually that bad a JP pronunciations and not hamming it up. Not saying she's a native speaker but watching kson stuff she was actually a lot better at it than her Coco persona.

>>6048992
It depends, some people could get off to the embarrassment and role reversal

>>6048980
>Not to mention Luna's voice is also a constant source of critique
And she's now ridiculed for it in the subs where it's translated to weird baby uwu speak

>>6048799
>Maybe
>Probably
I don't need to assume things, watching her first mengen after the graduation announcement or her last community post as Coco and the newest on her roommate explains it perfectly.
She's leaving before arguments with management makes her start hating hololive and that's something she doesn't want to let happen, she also thinks the money isn't worth betraying her character and failing to do what her fans expect of her.

She's always been insecure about her voice, you're right about that, but i don't see how that proves your theory.
She spent the vast majority of her time in hololive without a Switch and missed almost all the arcs and FOTM games, plus she's one of the holos who played Minecraft the least and that game boosts everyone's numbers.
Coco just played the games she likes, she played ARK, Yakuza and Resident Evil on her roommate and as Coco, she played Monster Hunter as Coco and you can see her tweets with the PSP from years ago where she's starting lobbies with her viewers on her roommate.

You could be right that her decline in viewers could have affected her but then i hear Kanata say how she was always very approchable and humble with the rest of gen 4 when she blew up in subscribers at the start and it doesn't seem like we're talking about the same person.

>>6048992
>he doesn't want a desperate hag begging for dick
ngmi

>>6048986
This is not a good rrat when you consider that all the other HoloMems, some of which have actively fought Coco about it at first, have made peace with her graduation. If Coco was truly forced out, more than just gen 4 will speak up. And if Coco was truly forced out, why do you think she bothered to make this the greatest graduation ever? Even if she "loved HoloLive" and didn't want to see it fail, she still could've done the bare minimum instead of pouring her soul into her final month. Unless Coco is actually a pushover and not the pillar of strength that the other HoloMems look up to.

Plus, Coco is far from the only HoloMem to be bad for investors. Marine and Matsuri are also very no go if they actually cared about that sort of thing.

>>6049196
anon, if you are born in America, you are American. If you are raised in America, you are a full blooded American.

>>6049745
They didn't force her out, they just wanted her to conform to "normal' streams which effectively stopped her growth so that she would leave voluntarily.

>>6049745
>If Coco was truly forced out, more than just gen 4 will speak up.
They will speak out if they can do something about it. They aren't children and know that sometimes you just can't change reality. Coco isn't a good fit for Hololive, and nothing will change that

>Plus, Coco is far from the only HoloMem to be bad for investors. Marine and Matsuri are also very no go if they actually cared about that sort of thing.
They have a different kind of vulgarity. For example, Coco made jokes about drugs while Matsuri and Marine never did. Coco also has dedicated antis from overseas that Matsuri and Marine don't have. Matsuri also acts normal most of the time

>>6049745
>And if Coco was truly forced out, why do you think she bothered to make this the greatest graduation ever?
When life gives you lemons, make lemonade. She's going to graduate anyway, so at least make it the best possible

She'll never follow veibae
That whore made vshitshow a pariah, no one will ever want to be related to them now

Coco will never join the same company as viebae
Every Japanese chuuba basically avoids her like plague after she went full retard

>>6050756
>>6050831
No need to samefag

have YOU thought about if theyre setting up a vshojo japanese branch or something, what better way to helm a venture than with a large indie with a huge loyal fanbase, since holoEN cracked open vshojo collabs on the other side of the pond, vshojo(jp) could theoretically be open on that side. the cycle continues

>>6044550
>because I say so
I bully someone like you every single day and it gives me unbridled pleasure.

>>6048502
What big “solo” streamers? Spend like 2 minutes googling and they probably have some sort of representation behind them.

>>6047836
What a retarded EOP lmao. That's what you get for relying on a poorly translated clip.

You faggots are so hellbent on this rrat that i wish she joins whatever other agency just to spite you. and that's coming fomr someone who enjoys the fuck out of VShojo.

>>6042574
Western audience is much bigger anyway, and they also pay up
I don't see the point in staying with her jp audience at all, quite the opposite

>>6042569
Most people who joined under Vshoujo were already big before, I don't think kson will join them, but that argument doesn't work

>>6044447
She memed the model, A model upgrade would probably be the best for her.

As it stands, only gigguk would bother watching her.

>>6042838
Vshojo doesn't take a cut, it's a group made for legal reasons after the digitrevx mess, so everything is clearer and it's easier to protect themselves.