/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6001009
Nigga where the funny?

Probably not, debut are always boring so i'll wait for some real stream

I'll be watching, but really I just hope we don't have to wait too long after this for the actual debuts.

if they get 1k views is already too much

I'm watching. Let's do this!

Holy shit the music is really good

Generation 000001

July Beginning!

Looks like a copypasta of the Vshojo announcement trailer.

>>6001590
yeah I was thinking the same thing lololol

>>6001009
>our story is only july beginning
Really now

shes so cute bros

>The trailer character art looks completely different to their actual models on twitter
Why would they go with the weird artstyle for this announcement?

Did they straight up just copied Vshojo trailer?

Why were they so secretive about the panda chick was she already a name or something?

>>6001009
>Private
ogey

why is the video private?

the star chick just straight up added the space thief thing this week..... isnt that like a last minute copy of phase connects ashelia rinkou..........

>>6002081
Just give us a moment to upload the reveal without the typo!

Not too bad, production quality was enough that I'll be taking them a little more seriously at least.

>>6001590
All of these things start to feel pretty samey, the art of making trailers out of existing art assets was pretty well hashed out by VN openings a long time ago and a lot of what comes out of the vtuber space seems to follow the same formula.

>>6002081
Probably uploading a version without the typo at the end

Is this thread glowing?

>>6001009
>Hololive clones

>>6002081
>>6002067

their pinned chat on the stream said there was a mistake on the end of the video. probably reuploading to fix that july typo

I wanna fuck the cat holy shit

>>6002126
doesn't it take months to draw and rig though? star girl is probably just unlucky

>>6002166
Yeah man, cyberlive paid me in tacos to shill their cat cunny

>>6002342
I dont see how "space thief" is inherent to her design. iirc she was just a star themed vtuber until today

>>6002342
It was just changed to add the space thief thing.... Vshojo trailer, pc lore, what's next?

Despite the good production that was a whole lot of nothing. Any anons when the actual debuts are and if they’re done by any known chuubas?

>>6002488
only skeptical because she has ashelia in her follows. why blatantly copy if it wasn't the original concept?

>>6002786
but why would they copy? they've been hinting at her being a thief for weeks with her emojis and tweets

>>6001009
hylos model is fucking amazing

>>6003209
is it posted somewhere? that's the ria sibling right?

Vshojo knockoffs

This company just reeks of pump and dump. They will shut down in three months if they don't do well

>>6003209
Kinda disappointing considering the guys other art.

>>6003543
is there any vtuber company that isn't like that though? all the startups seem like they will fall at any moment

https://twitter.com/AmarisYuri/status/1411136680615108611?s=20

Doesn't this confirm that that rrat about cyberlive being rebranded yunity is true? Since Moshie has a no resale policy. This model is cuter than the other one by a mile....

>>6003833
I am in the moshie kids discord and they said that wasn't the case there and that they were bought out

>>6003900
yunity was telling people they were bought out but it doesnt seem likely considering that misaki is the same girl that was running all the yunity socials

>>6003900
it's literally against the artist's policies to resell her models. i was convinced it wasnt the case when the new model was revealed, but the fact that she's able to use the moshie model just convinced me otherwise.

>>6003900
which moshie child are you?

The cunny cat sounds hot, i'll give you that

say what you want about the concept
this model is top tier

>>6004052
the moshie kids server had them saying that it was bought out so i don't know what to tell you. i can ask but i am assuming either a) exception was made because the other model never debuted or was revealed or b) that is for like people who buy and then try and sell for more

>>6004599
bro yunity lied plain and simple

>>6004052
>>6004599
>>6004810
Moshie has another tier where you get all the rights

>>6003900
yuri tweet a sign if you're /here/

Cyberlive is doing the whole 'international gens' thing like Phase-Connect, but instead of Japanese mixed with English, they're going for the Spanish market

Discount amsrntk3

>>6006351
she's so ugly bros...

>>6006458
>nyahallo
nigga, that greeting is copyrighted fuck off

>>6006351
5th member speaks japanese looks like

>>6006503
Thanks for the correction. Pretty interesting that theyre going for three languages.

It's one of those black companies that makes their livers buy the assets from them. It's a dump and dump scam.

>>6003460
>Vshojo knockoffs
More like western 774_inc/AniMare

>>6006584

they're going for the untapped markets.. and EN is already pretty saturated right

>>6006351
isnt wactor supposed to placate the spics?

>>6006619
Fuck off corpo shill, owning their own assets means they have a lot more freedom compared to scummy agencies like Hololive where you don't own your avatar and can't stream whatever you want without a whole list of bullshit permissions to check.

>>6006695
are they here? hello hylo

>>6001009
>CyberLIve
>Production Kawaii
>Prism Project
I'm actually falling behind in keeping up with it all.

>>6006749
Wactor has competition now

>>6006822
eh...i don't know about that. 1 Spanish speaking talent versus like what 4-5 ones?

>>6006860
They may have more for future gens

>>6006800
is kiara finally leaving HoloEN? thank god

>>6006619
for someone so obsessed with them you sure seem to be missing out on a lot of info. stop coming to every thread to spew the same schizo bullshit when it's been disproved multiple times

>>6006800
Hylo seems to be top tier so far, shitty memes, top tier design and model, also posted a video where she spoke and has cute fucking voice

>>6006543
>>6006458
Cute, and a little funny. I like cat. I will shill her and defend her no matter how she actually performs. I do not apologize to anyone for this.
>>6006503
Maybe
>>6006351
Not sure that will work but I hope she's bilingual.

I am very interested in EN start ups on a macro sense, I kinda want to see who will win the rat race.

>>6007068
i hope she sings Wo alle Straßen enden

>>6006543
Just because they both share similar color schemes and share the thief theme, and just because Doki recently graduated, doesn't they're played by the same person, right?

Why do all these fucking companies go the same damn Holo route.
Its just diminishing returns at this point, try something fresh and unique.

>>6006786
She's very cute. I will watch her debut.

So what's this agency's angle other than multiple languages? I don't see them shilled so I guess their marketer/discord simps don't know about this place.

>>6003833
>Lwdgngcode

How the FUCK is this guy stalking every vtuber at once

>>6004562
after looking at lumi's following list i discovered the sister but something is off about the model?

anon is it just me or are the faces weirdly different. did xiho recently change style or something

>>6007259
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTdjqG3j2SA

star girls voice is softer than dokis
unless shes voice acting the shit out of it

>>6007343
it's just the eye line that is different, it's less dark

>>6007299
They're already way more unique than Hololive by virtue of actually letting their talents own their own avatars as well as letting them do whatever content they want, no restrictions

>>6007315
>Lwdgngcode
Yeah, Cyberlive janny, milk this retarded nigger as hard as possible for donations but don't let him close, he's probably one of the worst autistic creeps in the entire community. He thinks he can actually groom.

https://twitter.com/AmarisYuri/status/1411167190619987969?s=20

cat voice is cute

>>6007556
Bootleg VShojo

>>6007299
you aren't one of those retards that wants a calarts style vtuber company are you? I'll admit I wish there was more room for variety in the scene but the reality is pretty much nobody wants some ugly ass looking vtuber

>>6007556
Having them own their own models is nice as an insurance policy for the streamer.
If they make it big, I wonder if they'll still be allowed to do whatever. Holo didn't used to be as restrictive but they got so big that a small misstep could cost them heavily as we saw with China.

>>6007791
vshojo doesn't give them models and create chuubas like cyber so it is unique in that way. it is combining both methods which i find interesting and is the only startup to do it so far for the west

If anyone from Cyberlive is actually here you need to get rid of this guy asap.

He stalked a few Nijisanji girls to the point where they had to permaban him so he changed his entire name and online persona and has now been going after small companies like Prism project and Phase connect and indies.

You HAVE to get rid of him

>>6007831
tell that to these three

>>6007933
or this literal who with a male debuff https://youtu.be/SyLXDjCKxeU

>>6007343
xiho tweeted about practicing and has been posting a lot of art
might explain why lumis model is so much better than her sisters

>>6001009
Naming a vtuber ??? is a bold move...I like it.

So when are they actually debuting?

>>6008518
next weekend

>>6007831
I want something different that isn't just 5 girls trying to be TEEHEE KAWAII.
Phase Connect has someone that knows a lot about music and she's done 2 violin karaoke streams, that's the kind of shit I'm talking about.

>>6007933
These 3 are popular because their models are insane, the purple haired one in particular has one of the ridiculously detailed models I've ever seen on a vtuber.

>>6007706
cute af laugh

>>6008944
if i remember correctly everyone shit on uruka before debut because she sounded like a tranny

way to judge a new company before they even debut. there could be an oboist in cyberlive for all we know

not to mention both lumi and hylo have posted singing covers already, and the panda is themed around being an idol

>>6009211
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTnEmVDuwhc hylo just posted another one, pretty solid

>>6009324
this is almost gura level good with those high notes

>>6005788
Ew. It's real, so it's a chink company? Their first post on leddit looks kinda sketchy.

>>6007706
I like this one. I'm not sure who to anti but not her.

>>6009554
it says unofficial right there anon

>>6009324
YOU GLOWING SO BRIGHT IT HURTS MY EYES

>>6009324
any rrats on who her roommate is? her voice is unique so it should be easy to figure out

Hey, if anyone talks on their discord recommend thoroughly sound testing, maybe on more than one set up. I get filtered easily by bad sound and bad mics levels and I know for sure I'm not the only one. Normally I would ask something like this but I've seen many debuts with not so great sound, so there.

>>6009554
this is for Chinese cyberlive that disbanded not this one

>>6009679
i tried looking around and couldnt find anyone maybe someone else knows?

>>6009324
Song is meh but I like her singing. I will need to say.

>>6009708
Good, I hate the bugs so goddamn much you wouldn't believe.

>>6009777
I don't blame you

https://twitter.com/kirribluedesu/status/1411180744429371392?s=20

rigging better than hololive

>>6009859
....?

>>6001009
No males no interest.
Why would I care about the 8th new all girl company this quarter?

CyberLive is a virtual entertainment company operating in the United States.
>United States
This is the end of the vtuber scene, everything will be turned into another MUH equality MUH LGBT shithole again.

>>6001009
Have any of them opened marshmallows yet?

>>6009964
nobody wants males anon go back to asp

>>6009982
yuri hylo and lumi

>>6007556
>Letting the Chuubas own the avatars
>Chuubas didn't have to pay for shit

Interesting strategy, let's see how this plays out for them when one of the girls leaves 1 month into the gig

>>6007556
>United States
>Letting them do whatever content they want
A big fat lie.

>>6010055
As long as they avoided haring any sort of histrionic narcissist or BPD they're fine.

>>6010093
aw did you fail your audition anon?

>>6010055
Pretty sure there's a payment clause, which I'm guessing takes up a percentage rather than just cost, in the case they make it big.

>>6010246
What's your pronoun?

>complains about black companies
>company shows up that finally offers both assets and them keeping them if they leave
>complains it is a bad idea

this is why we can't have actual transparent companies anons... and why all of them protect their asses first

>>6010253
They did Q&A on their old website. Talent takes 85% or something. Plus they own the avatar, and do whatever they want. The company might graduate faster than the talents leave.

>>6010333
too good to be true
always doubt

>>6010367
here hoping there isnt a catch and both the company and the talents will make it

>>6010576
they never showed their contract, confedential and shiet, talk is cheap, anyone can boast about their penis size on the internet.

but yeah i wish them all the best, looks promising.

>>6010333
If >>6010367 is true, then whoever is running this company has zero business sense. It's nice to have good intentions for your employees, but it has to be sustainable. Ultimately, those good intentions are meaningless if the company can't even stay afloat. Even their manager is apparently debuting as a vtuber in August.

I wonder if the person(s) running this company are failed vtubers themselves and just want to be involved in the scene somehow.

>>6010659
And they shouldn't just to prove some schizo wrong.

>>6010659
has any vtuber agency ever showed their contracts? why are we acting like this is a black company when the manager has been the most transparent out of any company so far

>>6010682
Reminds me of the Melody/DigiTrevX thing.

>>6010682
It's probably a locked in contract like they have to serve a 1 year if they want to leave. Nobody knows anything about the industry really though

>>6001009
it's still private. when can i actually watch this?

>>6010707
>why are we acting like this is a black company
What else is there to talk about? I mean we've been teased but the video got privated. If there is nothing to talk about then might as well make up a reason to.

>>6010697
>>6010707
Time will tell.
Come on, they just debuted.
Just enjoy the show dude.

>>6010780
the models/talents finally since all other threads derailed into some other topic

>>6001009
rate them anons, who is gonna be the main chuuba

>>6010869
>Just enjoy the show dude.
I would if I could actually watch it. 4 hours later and the video is still privated. Doesn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence in them.

>>6010682
This. Feels like charity or some kind of business idea being ran by a highschool kid.

>>6010887
>since all other threads derailed into some other topic

>>6010952
definitely Hylo, she shows talent, personality, and top tier model and rigging. cut fucking voice plus rias sister

>>6010952
between hylo and yuri for me
hylo's singing is surprisingly good but yuri is just good casting and voice acting for the character. others haven't posted as much so hard to judge

>>6001009
I won't have time to watch either of them anyway. Their models looks bad.

>>6011000
never forget the rrat, she lives on

>>6010952
I will need to see much more but I like Yuri's voice and attitude. She might have something going for her.

>>6006974
This sounds like a fucking scam, whats the revenue split between the company and the talents?

>>6011141
85 talent 15 company according to their old website

>>6001009
>forbidden or private
sure I cant

>>6010682
from lumi's maros it sounds like cyberlive is already working on merch. i dont believe anyone with over 10k to blow on free models and assets wouldnt have a plan in place. theyre just playing it differently from the startups and i hope it works out for them

>>6010967
>>6011141
Just because other companies are fucking leeches and scams exploiting their talents doesn't mean you can't succeed with a generous talent-company equity, they're changing the industry and all you can do is whine about how it can't be done and we should all kneel to greedy corpos

>>6011365
>theyre just playing it differently from the startups
Narwal and 4vlive plan to do the same thing

>>6011365
I don't know, with the market as it is a fantastic model will be belly up by 2022 and a shitty idea will gain traction depending on who gets the algorithm horseshoe and who gets 75% of their subs yeeted.

>>6011470
Narwal isn't a real company anon and 4Live is doing terribly.

>>6011470
comparing these 2 to cyberlive doesnt even make sense when the main cyberlive account is already at 2k on twitter and the others are literal whos. one company knows how to market and is clearly taking advantage of that

>>6011602
Not knowing how to market I'd say and rather just being aggressive and marketing period. Not many startups are even trying but cyberlive clearly is probably given the state of the market. the fact they almost have numbers on par with prism (twitter) is really telling

>>6011676
Twitter bots don't cost that much. Just don't view bot, we've all seen it and can smell it a mile away.

>>6011718
pretty sure they aren't botting anon.
i checked their follows and they all look legit from the skimming i did. i thought it was a converted account at first but on social blade it shows natural growth. not sure though - but i do think at least most is natural

>Phase Connect gets a pass on any retarded thing they do
>Cyberlive tries to exist and gets shat on
Is this the power of /here/?

>>6011514
Pretty much this. With the EN market now as saturated as it is and very few people branching outside of the big 3 (with a few exceptions), I just can't see all of the companies popping up being even remotely sustainable. In fact, it reminds me a lot of the MMO bubble in the 2000's and very early 2010's.

>>6011821
yes but what is weird is at least one of them is a here according to /asp/ . might be worth checking graduations from them

>>6011821
you can at least bet the manager is monitoring like slugma does

Of the girls I've seen I like but there isn't much to chew on, except cat. Love cat.

>>6012011
Cunny princess > Cat

>>6012049
The debuts will settle on who is right.

believe in cat

>>6012080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFeXI9_hckA im sorry but cunny princess voice cuter

>https://twitter.com/lumikaneko/status/1411196899126743048

Why is she copy pasting her tweets? Is that why they're all obnoxiously in all caps?

>>6012161
is it real though

>>6012161
Cute voice but a touch quiet.
>>6012246
What the fuck do you think? Nothing is real.

>>6012246
seems natural especially paired with her cover song, so either its real or one hell of a fucking voice actress, either way, pure talent

>>6012298
hi hylo

>>6007919
Fucking hell why does this guy keep showing up.

>>6012322
He unironically thinks he can groom company vtubers. You have to go to 2view indies to get anything like what he wants.

>>6012312
>>6012298
real, you can't fake that kind of singing power. solid cover and looking forward to whatever she puts out next

>>6012159
NYAHALO

So who is the cutest and funniest? I'm a simple man.

>>6012548
Cat

I'm following the spic one. I hope she is good like misopa

>>6005788
Filthy bugs. Dropped.

>>6012548
I like Lumi's design. The cat has a cute voice. Can't really say beyond that.

>>6012166
if she actually has unique choices in games i dont care if she types in bold italic all caps forever

>>6012575
>Unofficial reddit
>For a different company that shut down in china

anon please read

>>6011864
The bubble is going to pop with Niji getting ready to carpet bomb the western market with 3 more gens.
The only smaller companies I'm confident in surviving are Tsunderia and Prism because their founders/investors have the necessary capital to keep them afloat.

>>6012735
Imagine if Nijisanji manages to carpet bomb HoloEN into irrelevancy.

>>6012735
>Tsunderia
anon they don't have any money what are you on about. prism will last for sure, phase probably will last at least a year, kawaii official, and depending on numbers cyberlive said they had a lot of capital on their website so possibly them but too soon to say.

Tsunderia will probably change into a group or just all disband into Indies within the next year or two.

>>6012575
are we looking at the same subreddit anon?

>>6001009
>privated
what happened there?

>>6012735
myholotv may surprise you

>>6012813
That's not going to happen, anon. Hololive is going to be dropping their En gen 2 in the next few months. At best, Niji EN's males might make a big splash.

In the case of the larger companies, I think it's probably all about who does it first.

>>6012895
typo due to editor they said in chat reupload tomorrow

>>6012895
they posted about having a typo and reuploading

>>6012598
Why waste time reading when you can hate chinks?

>>6012864
Don’t know, don’t care. Squash the bugs.

>>6009708
>>6009777
>>6009849
>TFW I subbed to all of them inmediately after reading this.
Based CyberLive, they leaved the Chinese bubble of chuubas before it collapses, true visionaries they are.

>>6012548
>Sees Cat face
>Hears voice
Definitely cat.

Hey Lumi, since I'm pretty sure you're reading here >>6012166
Post a clip of your voice, please. Thanks.

>>6012836
I feel something is off with Cyber. Their official twitter markets more about how "not sus" their company is, instead of their talents. Their website brags about having lots of capital. Something tells me this company is more interested in bragging about themselves than actually being "talent first" like they claim to be. They launched their manager first before the talents. I wouldn't be surprised if the manager is actually or related to the owner of the company. Then they throw out a premier video that is almost an exact copy of vshojo's video...with a typo lol. Really feels like a kid is trying to run a business.

>>6013586
Once again proving why we have so many black companies that don't mention anything anons come on

>>6013663
Are you Sato Misaki?

>>6013586
>I feel something is off with Cyber.
I like them but I feel like they are pulling all the cards TOO EARLY for their own good, stuff like bragging about capital, "not sus" and giving away models feels like something you would do when someone of your talents goes slightly viral to increase attention to your brand, not right now.

>>6013702
No I just am fed up with /vt/ asking for more information and then complaining when they get said information time and time again. I want more transparency and every single time you make rrats with it it puts the companies off more and more.

>>6011447
You could be correct on some level, but I'm not going to watch just because some other dweeb in 4chinz tries to spin them with an anti establishment angle.
If they're entertaining and/or talented, I'll give them a shot on a case by case basis. Mebbe even fard shid and cumt in kitty cunn

>>6013586
I don't think they're a black company. I do think they have their talents' best interests in mind--just to an unrealistic degree.

I agree that Misaki is probably an owner or investor (or closely related to one) and a big reason that the company exists in the first place, because she wants to be a vtuber herself.

>>6013663
This is /vt/ not leddit. Come on.

>>6013776
I think providing information is kool but cyberlive makes it seem like a weird flex of some sort. I can't put my finger on it. It's like your younger cousin was just given a butt load of money and he has to tell the whole world about it.

>>6013776
Well, it turns out /vt/ is more than one person.

>>6013776
What else are we going to talk about? There's really not much to discuss about them right now. Our conjecture about the company is the only thing keeping this thread alive.

has anyone found their roommates or do we just assume they are literal whos

Why does everybody say PRISM has so much money or isn't going to die? They look to not have many subs at all.

>>6011808
>>6011718
>>6013586
Did someone say twitter bots?

>>6014465
You found the 2 really obvious ones out of a thousand. There's a few others that could be suspicious, but the vast majority of followers appear to be genuine. A drop in the bucket doesn't really mean anything.

>>6014341
They're founded by a millionaire and they have dedicated gachis that blindly throw money at them, to the point that Iku can at least make it her day job. Sub-wise they're doing alright among the smaller startups, second only to Tsunderia I think.

>>6014465
I didn't check everyone that follows cyberlive but those two look somewhat legit, mostly following other vtubers. Not hard to imagine that vtubers get lots of lurker fans that want to follow but don't really engage.

> Last minute added Ashelia Rinkou's gimmick to the space chick.
> All have double oshi mark like Phase Connect.
> Split language generation.
> Aggressively trying to interact with the Phase Connect girls.

Stay away from oshis, leechfags.

>>6014775
Damn, it's totally not like cyber has been marketing for months while phase just dropped a youtube ad and debuted right away, totally giving cyber all the time to copy them. Get a life anon

>>6014775
If they had Pippa and Tenma I would jump ship. But no, Phase has Pippa and Tenma.

>>6014968
Occam's razor, anon. They started off copying VShojo and then saw Phase Connect shoot up to Prism level in a month. Now they have a new target.

>>6014775
cyber auditions concluded back in may. they wouldve picked concepts around then. nobody in their right mind would tack on a last minute concept to a vtuber persona especially when you need to cast a voice and personality for the role carefully

>>6015057
Or the market as we have all stated is saturated asf so if any company does a single thing it's automatically "copying someone else"

>>6015122
>>6015131
Prism and Tsunderia both have a dullahan isn't copying.

This shit? You're both blind, assuming this isn't a samefagging glowie.

>>6015237
I'm 100% sure it would have taken more time for cyber to get their models made than the entirety of phase has been announced

>>6015306
What does the thief gimmick have to do with character models taking a long time to commission? The design doesn't even look like a thief.

> armor boots
> long sleeves
> impractical hair
> etc

The thief shit was clearly tacked on later.

>>6015306
Model? Sure. Rigging? Sure. Adding space thief theme literally a week following ashelia's debut? SUS. If they had the space thief before, trust me they would have played with it. It's better than playing around with a black silhouette for weeks and then suddenly revealing it right after ashelia's debut? SUS AF

>>6015405
How does ashelia look like a thief and not just a space girl, you can literally put that argument two ways

>>6015434
What part of Ashelia's design implies space?

>>6015419
Even if they would have added it last minute why would they??? If anyone was gonna copy anything it'd be something unnoticeable not something like a whole damn theme

>>6015419
the cyberlive member twitters have only been up for a week, anon...

>>6015237
This whole company is suspicious, if I posted their "business" model in the numberfag thread they'd tell me to stop shitposting.

>>6015434
>>6015457
at least you can see that lumi plays off the space theme. ashelia is just a tech girl

>>6015551
Exactly, I honestly think there was no intentions of copying just like with tsuns and prisms dullahans

Just going to wait and watch until this sketchy as fuck company proceeds to blow themselves the fuck up.

They're a frankenstein of VShojo, Phase Connect, and Hololive. Ripping off the catch phrase of an OG in the vtuber community (Sakura Miko) puts a sour taste in my mouth.

>>6001009
>This video is private.
?????

>>6015471
>numberfags
You mean shitters who don't watch vtubers?

>>6015625
Honestly, I'll just wait for the talent and what sorts out from that. The good will rise and the bad will fall.

>Miko
Yeah, cut it out. Miko is a fucking legend.

Nyahalo is not copyrighted, dude.
Anyone can use it.
Taylor Swift much eh Mikoti?

>>6016761
Anyone can use it yes. Just a matter of how fucking desperate and how fucked up disrespectful you are to be copying it from an OG.

>>6016789
what a crime to say meow hello

>>6016847
If anything, at least TRY to be original for before and during the debut. Starting off straight copying? Oh wait.... Vshojo video inspirations? Conveniently timed space thief motif? I guess "inspirations" are shared in the company.

>>6016946
Phase connect failed to impress. I'm not hype for English vtubers anymore. They're all so uninspired, unoriginal and interchangeable with one another. I don't believe this will be any different. At this point, I think the next big thing will be indies who make a name for themselves by being passionate and unique. Most indies aren't, obviously. But I think the market overestimates the utility of branding while underestimating genuine talent. This is why we have a dearth of eccentric geniuses despite there being more agencies than ever before. Quality matters more than quantity. A single Miko or Korone is worth more than an entire generation of mediocrity.

>>6007706
bootleg Gura

>>6010055
They probably have clauses that don't let them leave before the year is up.

>>6012166
>STRATEGY GAMES
Is it finally our time, /vst/bros?

>>6018420
>passionate and unique
Thats why Hololive continues to be the top dog despite the retarded management, dismal tech, and constant fuck ups, their talents are top tier (sans for a couple).

>>6018740
She said strategy not grand strategy, you're getting maybe civ at best, not hearts of iron.

>>6018420
Every debut thread I enter is essentially judging girls purely on a cuteness scale. How cute is the design, how cute is the speaking voice, how cute is their singing etc. Only exception is their taste in games and media. It is like the more generic the girl, the most "points" she gets from /vt/ but that usually ends up as a pump and dump anyway unless the talent actually offers something unique or at least interesting enough to stick around..

>>6018804
I didn't ask for /gsg/, RTS is more than I could ask for already. Just please no assfaggots.

>>6018838
I hope it's that piece of shit Aliens vs Predator RTS just so it's salt in the wounds.

>>6018420
Agency or indie, it doesn't matter. Vtuber has to be trying to be original in the content they create. Can't just be like anyone else. Cyberlife is giving off major unoriginal red flags even before their debut.

What happened to the established indie theory people had, that was bullshit? And if so, why hide the name?

>>6018836
Discussion about vtubers before they actually stream, and between their debut and first actual stream, is almost always going to be superficial because everything we know about them at that point is superficial. It's necessary from a marketing perspective but honestly and speculation can be fun, but if you're just interested in them as a streamer then it's better to dip out until they're established.

>>6019128
What do you consider original? Cyberlive don't look like they're breaking the mould, but I would say the same for pretty much everything I've seen come out of hololive and niji of late, excepting Coco.

>>6019318
Originality is hard to come by. Especially when the market is already so saturated. What's wrong with the picture for Cyber is you don't even see them TRY. There are tons of vtubers out there failing and struggling, but they are at least trying. This is just flat out copypasta. As an agency, it's disappointing.

>>6001009
Please respond to this if any of them wears sandals

>>6019473
>There are tons of vtubers out there failing and struggling, but they are at least trying.
Do tell internchama, which that agency is it that you think is doing this?

>>6008016
The looks does not match the voice.

>>6007556
>no restrictions
This is unironically a meme. There is always a line in the sand somewhere.

>>6009980
Anon, Tsunderia has been around for a year now and they're based in Los Angeles. The scene is fine

>>6020665
Please before telling me to do your homework for you. Check this out
https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/ocpfwe/us_agency_cyberlive_copying_vshojos_announcement/

Original? Trying? I think not

>>6018578
So they don't own their characters and models for a year? We've all seen companies that don't last half that long. That's a pretty huge fucking omission if their big claim is how generous they are to their chuubas

>>6015625
Would you rather have her say Meow-llo or Salutations EveryNyan?

I believe in cat cunny

>>6001009
>My name is Connor, I'm the android sent by CyberLife.

>>6022314
kek

>>6021442
>So they don't own their characters and models for a year?
Sure they do. If they want to leave they'll obviously keep them, they'll just have to pay for leaving before the agreed period is up. Obviously this is all a rrat, but it's the most plausible way to me. That said, being part of an agency gives you more visibility, so I doubt they'd want to leave any time soon.

>>6021133
>reddit
into the trash

https://twitter.com/SatoMisakien/status/1411136008221958144
Is she /here/?

>>6021133
>16 seconds loosely line up in screen presentation
Side by side there's some resemblance, but honestly it resembles most B grade eroge openings even moreso. If it wasn't reasonable to assume the maker was familiar with vshoujo, this shit would be completely out of left field.
Honestly with all this talk about market saturation and accusing them of being unoriginal, it sounds like you dislike them out of the box purely out of tribalism. You've come actively looking for anything that'll reflect poorly on them because they're competition and you're emotionally invested elsewhere. Or maybe I'm just projecting.
The market might look small but there's plenty of ground to gain from hololive alone. I was shitposting in threads for a lot of these new start ups originally but eventually saw that they were succeeding in pulling in new viewers to the market and everyone was growing. Getting caught up on banal shit just drives people away from all of these smaller agencies, whereas the cooperation and interaction between the talents across agencies is one of the biggest things setting them apart from the big players right now.

>>6022314
thanks anon, I actually laughed

>>6022857
It's not ownership if you still have to pay to receive it. Assuming this is actually the way it is, all that's different here is that the company would be forced to provide a price tag and opportunity to sell the model and character rights. So if CyberLive pulls a MyHoloTV and loses the full generation, some would buy everything like Miori did, but others would probably choose to go the route of Marica and Manaka if they can't/won't pony up the cash

>>6001009
>Nyahallo
>copying 4vlive talent/avatar ownership policy
>Phase Connects international gen
>this trailer

Is there anything that Cyberlive does that's original?

>>6012895
knockoff VShojo trailer

Coming in with a bit of tea regarding Yunity > Cyberlive so hold onto your seats. Source is from a friend who was one of the Yunity talents. For their privacy, I'm going to be keeping their identities private.

Basically, a lot of the Yunity talents were scouted, some girls had premade models (the ones that auditioned for Yunity) but the rest got to make their own. Everything seemed fine until they found out the manager (the person behind the manager character) was a MINOR who was dating the guy who funded it, who was definitely not a minor. They withheld that info from the talents, who were all a bit disturbed to be getting bossed around by a 17 year old, lol. All the talent expressed wanting to quit because 1. they didn't wanna work with a minor who had lied about her age 2. they didn't want to work with the guy who owned the company because he was dating a minor and 3. despite quite a few getting to "design" their characters, a lot of the assets came out really horribly and the manager just kinda did whatever she wanted/ignored talent wishes. She literally wouldn't let them handle any of their own assets.

After they all quit, most of the girls offered to buy their characters (since they designed them) if they could afford, but later changed their minds because it was pretty ruined at that point I think - they gave him permission to sell and such with proper credits or recast if he kept Yunity going. After that, the guy running the company threatened to sue them all for not buying their models, saying that according to their contract, they owed him for the model + asset costs and one year of what their earnings would've been (there was no such clause anywhere in the contract). He eventually stopped and just sold everything, saying him and his minor girlfriend had nothing to do with the project anymore and sold off all the assets... Also worst part is, I'm p sure one of the old talents designed Hylo and didn't get any credit because manager-san is petty, lmao.

I see a few things that rolled over from Yunity (I remember my friend would show me stuff and do the whole #HyloSupremecy, so that was something they came up with), that I'm pretty sure the girl who is the manager is still the previous manager from Yunity, don't know for sure tho.

Nothing against the current talents, p sure they have no idea about any of this, but management is probably the same awful management from Yunity.

>Video still private
How the fuck am I supposed to check them out?

>>6027135
It's practically a 1:1, not a good start

>>6028555
https://files.catbox.moe/r9f0k4.mp4

>>6012864
redesign has that description, old has the other, maybe they have to be changed individually, get on it cybermanager

>>6023121
Hi CyberLive manager.

>>6027707
anon if that's actually true then no wonder someone above said Cyberlive seemed like a business being run by a kid

but it's /vt/ so idk if this is just fic

>>6027707
I can vouch for the Yunity information. The manager was 17.

Is Kaneko west coast or kiwi? Her sleep schedule is odd.

>>6027707
i can back this up since i know another talent involved in this whole shitshow.

>>6027707
Can also vouch. The whole thing seemed too good to be true back then, and still sounds too good to be true now, so I’m sure the 17 year old is still the manager. The entire company was under her control and at one point the entire company was almost destroyed because she stole the assets back from the talents, leaving them with absolutely nothing, and basically ripped the rug from under them because she had a temporary breakup with her sugar daddy that was funding the project.

>>6033583
I can also vouch for this shitfest (friend of an ex talent). Been holding my tongue on their behalf but cyberlive is using their old talent's work and concepts from Yunity.

weird how suddenly all these friends of yunity talents are showing up... and on 4ch of all places
meds please, all of you

>>6018804
I want TWWH...

>>6036235
We all got sent the link to the board. Been holding our tongue this whole time because the talents didn’t want to stir up trouble after the owner tried to sue them.

>>6036235
I personally couldn't care less if the rrats are true. The only thing I care about is to see my new /vst/ oshi stream.

>>6001009
>cyberlive
>obvious Hololive mooching

Are any of them reincarnations of semi-big indie chuubas? Like posy for one of the other startups. Like a Miki or something.

>>6036431
she mentioned stellaris
i have faith in lumi /vst/bros

>>6039840
God if she actually becomes a /vst/uber she might actually earn my second membership.

I can confirm all the drama regarding CyberLive with regards to the minor manager. It's more likely that Yunity had a rebranding instead of a buyout because too many assets are similar at this point. There is a fear that if the former talents speak up about how awful the people surrounding CyberLive are, that they'd be sued by the company for defaming them on social media. Overall, it's a shitshow and I couldn't give a fuck about supporting this company solely because of the people behind it.

>>6040953
ok thanks kevin

>>6040953
If it’s true, they have no case in court. Defamation is false claims.

>>6040953
ok but can you prove that they're the same management tho
yunity's assets were for sale confirmed by live2d discord, so why would they sell some assets if they werent a buyout

>>6007343
Longer chin on the left. Smaller face on the right.

>>6042812
I can't prove they're the same management unfortunately. However, I do have a sneaking suspicion that the person playing the manager character of CyberLive was also the person who managed Yunity. That model was originally for her before they sold the assets. So maybe same management is the wrong way to phrase it. Maybe the same people involved? I'm just speculating at this point so ultimately we can all come to our own conclusions.

>>6040953
There is no case for this. They are bluffing. They can't do shit to you. At most it will be a "cease and desist" letter to the talents to keep their mouths shut. But to get that issued there is a lot of paper work and $ involved in hiring a lawyer who is willing to twist his balls for some anime girl voice acting start up that failed.

>>6006816
you forgot phase connect

>>6005788
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXTZOCvjPxg

>>6045295
So did the rest of the planet

>>6012895
The amount of videos that get privated after a live-stream is pretty ridiculous.

>>6012895
It was literally a knockoff of Vshojo trailer, evidence:

>>6027135

>>6009980
Phase Connect is out of Vancouver... which lets be honest, is basically China light.

>>6027135
I'm willing to bet both companies just hired the same guy for the job, probably some pajeet on fiverr with a bunch of copy and past Adobe filters

>>6053470
company out of japan > black company, no support
company out of US > LGBT shithole
company out of canada > fucking leaf, basically china
company out of SEA > SEAniggers

pack it up everyone. no more vtubers because /vt/ has a problem with everyone

What a burning tire fire.

>>6031724
God I wish. Especially if the 17 year old rrat is true.

>>6054153
Korean vtuber agency when?

>>6027135
why copy the absolute worst group, they're bound to fail

Well, no matter how much /vt/ screams, kicks, and cries they will not sink this company. expect them to mog /vt/'s darlings Prism and Phase within a month.

Hi Hylo, since you're here I think you're company needs to apologize to a few other companies...

>>6064271
wtf if the video isn't copying, then this definitely is

>>6064146
Ironic considering 4vlive is just copying Heavenrend but in a Leddit one-upsmanship kind of way. Definitely not a great model to emulate
>>6064259
Phase threads glow like the sun, so take their /vt/ popularity with a grain of salt. Prism and Tsunderia are the two companies with the most well-rounded talent and are ultimately what CyberLive will be judged against

There is some drama now with the video copying VShojo's

>>6064457
This means... they are /here/ right?

>>6064457
lowkey feel bad for the talents. cyberlive ought to do better for their sake.

>>6001009
>still private
nice reveal
fucking retarded company

>>6064686
The talent is dramamongering to create traction. Hylo's statement screams sjw

https://twitter.com/AyaneHylo/status/1411521192062771204

>>6001009
Cyberwho? If you're gonna come mooch our support at least do it properly like Phase Connect (which obviuosly hired a girl from 4chins familiar with our culture).

>>6064775
who cares, now channel 7 is gonna sue cbs for having a similar intro in the news? this is just nonsense

>>6064686
Yeah it's a pretty shitty situation and they seem to be a bit unprofessional. They should have reviewed the video first

>>6001009
Hololive killer?

>>6064775
That's some next level unprofessionalism. You get a video and publish it without any reviewing? Also, it's not just this video, their previous videos also carried vshojo vibe. I think might be the same video editor. In which case, this whole negligence excuse does not really hold.

>>6064414
Phase threads glowing is like half the charm.

>>6065074
Arguably Phase would not have gotten noticed much more than Cyber if not for fucking Pippa. If /vt/ has proven one thing so far it's that it will go out of its way to look out for its own, whether they are people at least aware of here, people literally-from-here (or /jp/ /hlg/) or people who came to us first (like Beatani).

>>6064775
I don't see anything sjw about that at all it seems more like she's panicked if anything

>>6065069
To be fair there is a non-zero chance none of them ever bothered to watch vshojo's into video.

>>6064775
She loves drama and the attention. Let her be or she will start tweeting about getting bullied.

>>6065547
Well shit, I guess I'm crossing her off. At least cat is nice.

>>6002145
what typo?

>>6064775
>Also for lumi's case i can vouch for her having thief as part of her lore since day 1.
Did this get brought up anywhere besides here? I couldn't find any mention of it on twitter, at least.

>>6065547
lol u guys want answers about the video and now u guys are calling her an attention whore. if this is * then i expect u to be here. lol ur fucking braindead and autistic

>>6067521
I think Vouching means they have no other mentions to show.
>>6067552
Ok Misaki.

>>6064271
They need to hire a creative director ASAP.

>>6067664
misaki or not they have a point anon

>>6067767
Do you actually believe that shitty excuse? Put yourself in their shoe and think if any of this makes sense.

-You watched Vshojo video, and LOVE IT.
-Proceeds to hire a contractor using said video as reference material.
-Pays good money for the video for the arguably MOST IMPORTANT piece of content for hype building for your company.
-Somehow undergoes ZERO communication to check on the progress while the editor works on the video.
-Somehow the video just happens to be fully completed on the day of the premier.
-Somehow forgets to check the video to see the video is a complete copy of vshojo before premiering it.

After all that explaining, they need you to have so much benefit of doubts to justify ONE piece of copypasta. What about the other copypastas? I'm sorry I just don't buy it. The more they try to rationalize they more sus they sound.

>>6068110
Honestly, who even cares? Whining about their video being too similar is some vtweeter level concern trolling.

They're going to live or die by their talents. That's really all that matters.

>>6068487
>They're going to live or die by their talents.
Tell that to MyHolo or that company that mishandled AI. Talent doesnt guarantee shit

>>6064271
>>6027135
its just a coincidence