/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

no more pretty girls, draw a dude for once!

>>5896659
>Did you send in your Niji app yet?
no, I'm wondering if I should try hard on this current app, or take it easy and get some experience and apply for the next one.

>>5896659
Dont forget about Tsunderia auditions https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfc2L7yb85BdCn0JEwaU4g0OODsZsxlmho04_qtpG8vh-ngUw/viewform

>>5897946
You could use the application experience, start streaming, and apply again in the future. I figure, can't hurt to apply, and may as well start streaming.

>>5898169
That's what I planned on doing anyways, I'm not deluded to think I'm going to get in especially since I don't have any social media following, but I was more curious if I should put my best foot forward. nijisanji's future male applicants probably won't be able to get a say in their designs unless the applicants have a really good idea so I'm not sure how I should go about it. I do have my script partially written for my video so I'm not completely dead in the water.

>>5898047
>female only
hmmmm

Worth it to shill yourself on /here/? Nadeshiko and bunny cunny are getting a nice head start from anon fanbases

>>5898347
>- All genders welcomed!

>>5898480
we went over this last thread, that section is blatant legalese and they legally have to allow all genders to apply
it doesn't mean they won't just throw out all applicants who aren't asian girls in SoCal like the rest of their talent

>>5898315
Unless you do something really embarrassing they’re not gonna remember a bad performance. There’s a nonzero chance that they think “this guy improved a lot since the last interview” but the most likely situation is that they just don’t remember you at all. I’m in your spot and I’m going for it, it’ll be good practice in the worst case.

>>5898347
Asian only too.

>>5898553
>in SoCal
Two live in Texas, one in Canada, and a another in the Philippines.
Still all Asian though.

>>5898751
doesn't really do anything about my point to reinforce that literally all of their talent are asian girls
the 100% aren't recruiting any guys and would not pick any guys who apply, they're just trying to avoid the fires by not saying "no guys lmao you're all gross"

So I know people hate voice modulators/filters, but what's the opinion on applying EQ to your voice?

>>5898783
Slugma said as much on one of her streams: Males are unmarketable.

>>5898838
Please do.

>>5898875
damn that's crazy, I'll let all the successful male vtubers in JP orgs know that they are incredibly untalented and unmarketable
I'll also tell Nijisanji who has decided that they can 100% market male vtubers to the west
Slugma is apparently a genius who knows way better than everyone else, despite her talent barely beating out indies who stream at the same time

>>5898838
if you know what you're doing, that's fine. if you don't, please don't touch it.

>>5898953
>I'll let all the successful male vtubers in JP orgs
>JP orgs
japanese orgs
in japan
speaking japanese
appealing to a primarily japanese audience
with japanese culture of widespread anime adoption

you even had to add the specific qualifier in there yourself, so you know that it only works in japan.

>>5899029
>male streamers only work in japan
damn that's fucking wild I'll let NijiEN know as well as 90% of twitch

>>5899084
>moving goalposts to include all male streamers even though we're talking about this in the context of vtubers
tell me that you're arguing in bad faith without telling me you're arguing in bad faith

>>5899029
>anon thinks it's more likely that a whole half the population is entirely talentless and unmarketable instead of a single dumbass Californian being wrong about marketing

>>5899110
anon you are the one who moved the goalposts, I mentioned NijiEN and other streamers in my previous post

>>5899004
I'm no expert, I've only looked up things online that mention "lower the frequencies in these specific ranges to adjust these types of sounds or to get these results"
Which of these 2 your opinion sounds better?
https://voca.ro/17aUROtiS5dl

>>5899322
nothing noticeably different

>>5899084
NijiEN has no male streamers, so there's no data to go by.

>>5899084
Why mention "90% of twitch" and NijiEN? 90% of twitch aren't male vtubers and the context right now is vtubers

>>5899414
they very clearly disagree again "they are unmarketable" if they opened applications on their 4th wave to males only

>>5899468
Just because they disagree doesn't make it true. What happens if it's a total flop? All their girls are losing viewers like crazy last I checked. I'm sure he'll do "Default corporate marketing" fine, but unless they're literally just a god at streaming and entertainment, I honestly don't even expect them to get close to the girls numbers.

>>5899528
>the 2nd top vtuber agency that makes millions every year from vtuber doesn't understand the market
>anon the shitposter on 4chan understands it better
yeah I'm sure faggot

Waiting for hololive ESL

>>5899571
When they were the number one vtuber agency that made billions every year they released niji india which was a colossal failure. Being the best doesn't mean they don't fuck up.
In the first place we're seeing a minimum of 10 women before they even attempt to launch a western male so nijisanji might not be so confident either

>>5899571
Companies often waste money testing the waters, it's a drop in the bucket for them to try this out and it helps they're the first. It literally has to "work" because it's a corporate vtuber from a massive company, but what do you consider a successful male vtuber, because I'm willing to bet money he won't even top the bigger indie males even with corporate backing if the females can't do it either.

There's a newbie goblin vtuber that's already caught up just because some dude on Youtube decided to share some of her clips ,what does that tell you about Niji's marketing if indies that started in April are beating them out?

>>5899663
>>5899668
>all of this cope and moving the goalposts now
alright slugma show yourself, this mysteryposting is getting old

>male timeloop
go take this shit back to /wvt/ this is /asp/

>>5899571
Google "Nijisanji IN" and shut the fuck up. I'm a male and I literally made more in donos my first 3 months as an indie than Vihaan did his entire time in Niji IN.

>>5899701
If they understand the market so well, why did Niji IN fail? Can you explain that instead of bitching about goalposts?

>>5899750
>moving the goalposts again
kek

>>5899736
no no, we've had this same timeloop in every few asp/auds thread too it almost always starts the same way too
>males can't succeed
>males can succeed because kuzuha's meat is fat and his numbers are huge
>using a jp corpo when you're a western indie
rinse and repeat except this time nijiEN is looking for males now

>>5899767
I'm not them why would I explain shit for them anon?
fact is they see an opportunity and males clearly are not unmarketable like you originally claimed since there are a large number of successful male JP vtubers
regardless of how much you move the goalposts to say "but but but jp is so different than Western markets"

>>5899799
fuck off back to /wvt/, i don't care for this timeloop

>>5899799
The evidence is overwhelming that men don't succeed in this market and every contrary example is an exception that proves the rule. All I really want to know is whether the people who argue otherwise are malehera convincing themselves otherwise or women that refuse to acknowledge that there's any industry where they have an advantage.

>>5899819
So you think the Japanese market is the same as the western market?

>>5899875
>moving the goalposts again

>>5899888
The goalpost isn't being moved. The claim is that male vtubers cannot succeed in the west. Period.

>>5899736
blow me faggot, half the thread is male and they want to apply to orgs and stream without being treated like second class citizens
fucking sue me if you're so mad about that nigger

>>5899834
this is my home thread though i've been here since the beginning ;_;

>>5899919
the claim was that male vtubers are unmarketable and cannot succeed, use your eyes and read next time honey

>>5899922
They're not being treated like second class citizens, they're being warned that the odds of them succeeded are extremely low no matter how entertaining they are because the audience for male vtubers is so ridiculously small compared to the audience for females, and that the most successful males are those with previous audiences that brought it into vtubing. The one exception is KittyMcPancakes, and even he had an audience before being a vtuber it was just much lower.

>>5899990
>anon males are entirely unmarketable
>anon they aren't treated like second class citizens in this hobby, be happy with the scraps that females leave you

>>5899356
Alright then, guess I'll stick with the EQ (1st) version, I'd rather minimal difference then trying something drastic and fucking it up

>>5900074
the truth hurts. It's not 100% impossible obviously, but it's so ridiculously unlikely that of course people will be constantly reminding others.

Got excited seeing how many posts there were, thinking I'd learn lots of neat tips, boy was I mistaken

>>5900094
honestly, yeah. with the game sounds when you're playing, background music when you zatsudan, and reverb when you're singing, no one will notice any difference. maybe if you're doing ASMR bedtime story readings or something specifically for that.

>>5900135
it's wild how unhelpful it is when the first posts of the thread are "if you're male just stop trying"

Instead of fucking complaining that males can't succeed why don't you go out and become a successful male? You know there's a first to everything right? And it's not impossible. Even if somehow males are completely unmarketable then become the exception. If you think it's impossible that's just a reflection of your own self esteem, and if you're so unhappy with yourself why are you trying to become an entertainer to begin with? Either get better or give up.

to steer the topic a bit away from the hostility, for males who are trying to succeed what will make you different from the rest? I genuinely wanna know your positives, what you plan to bring to the table in order to "break the cycle"

>>5900135
just hide the main troll post and they all disappear

>>5900336
I'm playing back scripted live-action videos in a first-person perspective. Not saying this is THE thing that'll set me apart, but it's an example since you asked. I may link a stream here soon.

actual tip i remember from /auds/
once you get your fully rigged model, to a range of motion test and place sticky notes along your wall that marks the limit of your head turns in relation to your avatar's turning.

helps keep your facial capture range in check without your model reseting to its t-pose

>>5900453
VTube studio has an option to stick your model to its last position when tracking breaks instead of reverting back to neutral, but this does sound somewhat useful to newbies

>>5900504
that's convenient

>>5899322
second one is better. is the first one your voice without eq?

>>5900784
First is with, second is without

>>5900324
It doesn't matter, anon says men are unmarketable and doomed to fail in all markets it's over.
Some random shitposter has decided they know better than hololive and nijisanji at marketing and wants (you) to know

>>5900878
okay. the reason i think the second one is better is that the first one sounds kinda harsh at higher volumes. it's not really important anyway.
https://litter.catbox.moe/odukk7.mp3
i gave it a go. this sounds pretty subtle and natural to me. high pass at 50, 4db boost at 80, 4db cut at 3.5k, and a slight de esser. up to you whether you like it or not.

what's the longest your skebs taken, anons? was looking for a simple pic to use as a thumbnail and now it's been almost 2 months

The current issue with OBS VOD tracks, does that mean I can't use Twitch's Soundtrack, as that needs to be set-up in a VOD track; or is that handled Twitch-side, and I can use St fine?

Or is the issue fixed? I've not seen anything, but can't see much discussion on it online, only on Twitter, plebbit, and the OBS forums

>>5901889
Oh wow, thanks anon, yeah, it is quite subtle so hard to tell the difference, but the main thing I've been trying to do with EQ is get rid of some of the ess-ing, (might need to look up some sort of de-esser plugin), and also try to not make my voice sound so, "nasally"? I don't know the term, but to me my voice is on the deeper side so I don't want to sound like some cave troll. I'll fiddle around with those suggestions you had though

>>5905343
Pop filters can help a bit with de-essing (and harsh p sounds) if you don't own one buy one. If you do, make sure it's at least an inch or two away from your mic between your mouth and your mic.

>>5898374
Depends. You might get shunned from some circles

>>5898374
>>>
> Anonymous 07/01/21(Thu)00:42:21 No.589837
It's a gamble. The hololive guys might go schizo.

>>5898953
Male vtubers can work. But the amount of effort and the content quality required to match the results a mediocre female vtuber can achieve are a lot higher.

>>5918356
It feels like female vtubers rely on gimmicks a lot more in big companies. I dunno if the content needs to be higher so much as you need to be an actually engaging person.

>>5918356
I'm not shooting for huge success, I just want to stream and have fun, and hopefully others come along for the ride. I figure doing some unique content might help me stand out, even if it only has niche appeal. I can't imagine the kind of things I want to do blowing up and getting me popular, but that's not the point.

>>5919384
In general they can lean on gimmicks.
Simps want that relationship with the female. It's the primary pull.

>>5900336
I've created a backstory that allows others to create characters within my universe. It's proved pretty effective at collecting a small but very devoted fanbase since even while I'm not streaming or social others are interacting, plotting and creating art/stories/music that link back to me.

>>5900336
im not just streaming, i want to make full scale youtube content besides clips for a wider audience than just other vtubers/vtuber wannabes/vtuber fans which is more than what 99% of male vtubers can do

>>5898953
I don't think they can't be successful, but definitely lack a marketing capacity that the ladies have. Being trans is literally more marketable than being a guy.

>>5900324
I think kamiyaa will unironically be the first successful male indie

>>5898374
I've thought about it and I wouldn't post, but I'm also a girl and still learning the ropes so I don't want people ITT laughing at me. You'd probably be fine if you didn't care about the woke crowd potentially finding out

>>5898374
i'm not sure how much /vt/ or other vtubers that get shilled here would enjoy my content since i'm going into this with a twitch streamer background. vtubers and regular streamers are still very divided for whatever reason, so i'm looking for a comfy zone where i can take good parts from both sides

>>5898374
I'm very tempted.

But I'm still a 2-view male pngTuber playing a lesser watched game; with less than 20 hours under my belt.

Maybe once (if) I hit affiliate, or I see someone else shill me, I'll join in. But until then, not sure.

>>5898374
Don't. It will remain in the archive and you'll forever remain associated with 4chan. You don't want that on your internet history.

>>5931134
But what if you do?

>>5931747
Then post it? Like that one person who never talks and keeps shilling his fallout streams here

How much do you guys lean into your kayfabe during streams? Is it only background mentions, something you never do, or are you full on talking about how you went out the other day and shat in the woods because you're a deer-man?

>>5933718
I just use it as an excuse to make jokes related to it, or make references when I want to block out identifying details of a story but still tell it

>>5896659
What bots do you recommend for moderating my chat on live?

>>5934682
I use streamlabs for the follow notifications, but nightbot for pretty much everything else, including the link blocking and phrase blacklist

>>5933718
I think it's just a nice basis to have and gives you something to fall back on so you don't self dox at all.

Wactor opened auditions, this time it seems you don't need to be able to speak Japanese
https://twitter.com/MiraisMaid/status/1410539061673033733?s=19

>>5937117
>Tweet is also in Spanish
This is a dangerous game they're playing.

>>5898374
I've considered it, but I already say enough iffy stuff on stream without making an overt connection to 4chan. Shilling on here would just take it too far.

>>5898374
Not really no, the people you get in your chat from here and wvt are a bunch of drama obsessed people and you're going to cap out at about 50 viewers doing that

>>5939036
They are the real HoloES now

>>5898374
I really don't want the wvt schizo drama cult to know I exist.

>>5898374
/here/ really only likes 2 types of chuubas, gfe females and femboys
if you're not either of them you're going to have a bad time posting in this thread or the other 2

>>5941898
Well, I'll do my best to prove you wrong. I've had pretty good reactions so far here, so I'm feeling hopeful I can find an audience.

>>5942032
There's really only a couple of male vtubers that don't fall into the above categories. I wouldn't bother trying to court /wvt/. You're better off shilling in the places where you content is related to.

>>5942386
It's not that they don't exist it's that the type of people on 4chan are the ones who wants idols and pure girl gfe
Other communities are open and theres 100% a market for them but this place can't think except with their dicks

>>5942495
Sorry I realize I wasn't particularly clear. There are only a handful of male vtubers that are apart of the /here/ side of /wvt/

>>5942684
I misunderstood as well. I may plug my streams on /asp/ more than /wvt/ since I'm just starting out, and you've all been supportive, with good feedback.

>>5942828
I think that's fine as you are getting your bearings. If you're like a month or two I wouldn't plug yourself here.

>>5941898
I guess its true, though /nina/ exists and she doesn't do actual GFE content.

>>5943199
I'm a complete novice, so I'll hang around a while longer. Might just rip the band-aid off and do an inevitably scuffed stream this weekend just to get into it.

>>5942386
There's no problem with shilling to other places along with /wvt/; it's just a problem if this is the only place you shill to.
>>5942828
Yeah if you're just getting started then absolutely plug yourself so you can get some feedback on stuff

I'm kind of wondering which track I should go down with my vtuber "persona" actually. I don't really get many viewers, and it kind of feels like my viewer base is split between two different demographics; people who watch because of the tarot streams and appreciate the occult aspect of it, and people who watch for the crafting streams where I get drunk while wood-carving.

Hello lads I've been encouraged to give Vtubing a try and after two 50/50 ideas I landed in one that I like much more than the others: a TV head.
Inspired by Echo by Crusher and by the grandson of a lady I know that actually got crushed to death by a CRT. Very rough sketch, given that I don't really know what to do with the body: a coat seems edgy, my favourite aviator jacket is too bland for an avatar, and a sleeveless shirt like robot head from Sexy and I know it looks funny.
I have some ideas as to what to do with the face, but I drew it on Procreate and haven't figured out how to make a CRT like filter for the screen, my main idea is to make pixelated eyes and eyebrows, no mouth because that's what the TV speakers are for.
The human body is based on Saxton Hale (because I had no other references) and partly on myself, because I have broad shoulders and my chest is hairy.
As for hardware, my PC is decent, I want to stream games I like and do what I think is a good idea: Wikipedia rabbitholes. Doing retro games should be VERY fitting, too, however I'm a zoomer and didn't play many games on consoles (save for some PS 1 and 2 ones), but I can, and will, try. The only issue I'm facing right now is upload speed, as we still have coaxial cable, but that would ironically be fitting for the CRT low res theme. I have plans to upgrade to at least 50 Mbps up so my house doesn't fucking explode.

What's your feedback? Is the idea decent? I know it'll be piss easy (compared to other avatars, of course) to Live2D.

Post them analytics, son

>>5945509
https://www.twitch.tv/tvhead_ch
https://www.twitch.tv/dialupwaifu
pre-debut
https://twitter.com/napmp4

>>5945610
It'll be a year in 20 days.

real life has gotten in the way pretty hard...

Interesting fact about CyberLive

In the additional tweets:
"We are an agency not a group or team!
We offer everything creators could possibly need to succeed as VTuber. We left our contract so open because we truly feel like we offer our talents enough to willingly want to stay with us as well as we just want to treat our talent right."

"Once our new website goes live we will explain this more!

I just wanted everyone to know our stances before the big reveal tomorrow since especially because of recent events a lot of people feel unsure if they can trust agencies."

https://twitter.com/SatoMisakien/status/1410665840417009672

absolutely killed by family commitments and day job the last month

>>5945610
Next week will be the start of my 5th month vtubing!

>>5945610
Only done four streams. Still learning a lot.

>>5945610
been dealing with some other shit recently, ugh

We’re all gonna make it bros!

>>5945610
Started 1 month ago, I think the average might be slightly skewed by the two big streams which were only that big as a result from getting raided

>>5946197
even if the raids happen, its on you as a streamer to be able to retain those viewers! the other day when i got a couple of big raids I was really happy that I was able to retain a good 70% of viewers throughout a really long stream!

>>5946323
Yeah that's true, it was quite uplifting when I realised that myself too. made me adapt the thought that "you know, maybe I AM entertaining, and can hold an audience, it's just an issue of finding them in the first place"

>>5925690
>has never streamed before
Great

>>5939036
Their experiment with Misora was a success so they seem to hope to gain a solid footing on the Spanish speaking market before other agencies get the same idea.

>>5925690
there are already plenty of successful male indies
they're just not corpo level successful

>>5925690
you cant be the first if there are others who did it before you

>>5945610
ended up streaming way less than i thought i would. but i am going up in numbers, even if the numbers are still small!

>>5937117
Is wactor a black company?

>>5945610
Hai dozo, you'll make it one day anons

How should you split your attention during a collab? Would 65% to the other streamer and 35% to the chat be okay? I feel like obviously the other streamer should take priority, but ignoring chat too much would make people leave the stream.

Also a similar question regarding watchalongs: How much should a streamer talk during a movie?

>>5947780
ignore the chat and don't address them until later on unless they say something you think is incredibly funny

>>5947780
If your collab premise is entertaining, you have a good back and forth with your partner, and you don't let the collab drag on you won't need to read chat at all except for if there is some sort of unavoidable downtime. You need to use a different skillset to entertain during a collab than you do in a solo stream, be ready to "yes and"

>>5947780
>How should you split your attention during a collab?
I think the chat understands that a collab is going to be different than a regular solo stream. Your guest should take FULL priority and only when they aren't talking or taking a break should you talk to the chat. While he isn't a vtuber, Bruce Greene was the prime example of why you shouldn't talk to the chat during a collab stream. He would do live podcasts with people like Criken and Lawrence Sonntag and as they were in the middle of fucking talking he would mute himself to them and talk over them to his chat like it was a solo stream. His streams are borderline un-listenable thanks to this.

>>5947780
>Also a similar question regarding watchalongs: How much should a streamer talk during a movie?
voicing this question also. There's subtitles so understanding isn't impacted.

>>5947780
>>5948008
also to add, let your chat know first that you will not be thanking any follows, subs, donos, raids, etc during the collab and save a spot afterwards to run through all of them

>>5947812
>>5947958
>>5948008
>>5948156
>>5948276
Thank you for all of this advice! I’ll be sure to keep this in mind for any and all of the collabs I do in the future.
Also putting subtitles on for the movie is definitely a very good idea.

>>5947780
I think it's okay to pick something from chat during collaboration and make quick comment if chat just commenting conversation between 2 streamers without acting like they're the 3rd person in the conversation. For example chat spams same emote or simple frazes like yep/cute comment say something like haha don't tease me chat and move on. If somebody will try to put themselves into conversation though donating that's would good manners to comment it but make it fast/simple.

So I have a scheme
Male vtubers seem to benefit more from collabs and doing shit as a group
So what if a bunch of us did that?

For female Niji, do you think many people will audition for each role or snowflakes will go ONLY ORIGINAL VERSION? Which one will be easiest to get?? I'm thinking ghost?

>>5949232
>Male vtubers seem to benefit more from collabs
do they really?

>>5949307
Male vtubers tend to get more attention with collabs with other vtubers regardless of gender. Male streamers (not vtubers) really live and die on their ability to give that bro simulator feel.

>>5949234
I am thinking most people will go for either cat girl or ara ara fox? So should ghost and birb be safe options to maybe get the role?

>>5949307
In general they seem to. And it makes sense when you consider some of the most consistently popular male streamer content is group games

>>5949307
Yes, the strengths of male vtubers lies in banter and collabs
Plus a lot of male vtubers have good content but limited reach because they can't use the cute girl angle to clear the first 10 viewer hump
A little push goes farther for a decent guy

>>5949431
The power of cunny is dum

>>5949234
I think the bird is going to be the least auditioned for.

>>5935231
Thanks a lot anon!

>>5949515
I don't think I've ever seen a cunny vtuber below 20 viewers now that you mention it.

>>5949657
This is why everyone wants to try using a voice mod to sound like a little girl
It's easy mode

>>5949700
>voice mod
?

>>5949710
You know voice modulator software
To try and change your voice to sound like little girl
Usually works like ass tho
But there's one nip who makes it work. Everyone knows and he turned it into a running gag

>>5949778
put some fucking respect on tomari mari's name faggot

>>5945610
What are your numbers from Taiwan?

>>5949700
>easy mode
no, don't go down that rabbit hole, there are a metric ton of low viewer girls and female vtubers have their own unique problems
but they do have the benefit of getting over the low viewer and low follower hump faster if they can play up the cute angle

>>5949234
I did bird because I thought most people would try for the others. I haven’t actually seen anyone say they did cat yet which shocked me

>>5950636
you could do as many as you wanted, so I think some submitted multiple applications with multiple voices and characters

>>5949587
>>5950636
>>5949372
>Bird becomes the most auditioned for because everyone thinks it's the least.
I'm gonna try for the bird too, best of luck to you all

>>5951186
fuck fuck fuck i also did bird

>>5949234
I'm seriously considering the witch, although I honestly have no idea how nijisanji would react to my current content.

>>5951186
>>5951275
This is so funny we all did bird thinking it was the niche pick. I also did fox though.

Maybe it really is cat that’s least picked.
Although, I don’t know about outside of here

Someone’s going to end up with a body they won’t like.
Well, you can always turn them closer into what you want with new costumes.

>>5947759
we'll meet you up there on the mountaintop, anon
how long did it take to get to that point? i'd understand if you don't want to say because it'll be easier to figure out who you are but i'm just curious

>>5952234
the follower number and the fact it's a /here/ vtuber should tell you exactly who it is anon

>>5952031
I did the cat

>>5952394
I have a guess but I can't find anyone who is an exact fit; the closest one i see is someone who i didn't expect to be posting here

>>5952234
A few months as a no-cam no-png voice streamer to learn and 1 year as a vtuber, I know Yozo came by here once so I wanted to check it out too to see what this thread is like
>>5952394
Tehe pero

>>5952394
yozo?

>>5952524
oh no

>>5952563
ah, as i thought then; it's always nice to see other bigger chuubas stop by here!
i feel bad because i haven't tuned into a stream of yours recently but its always a pleasure to challenge you when i get the chance to!

Is it frowned upon to use a female avatar as a dude?

>>5953990
it's called babiniku and a bunch of vtubers do it. it's not really frowned upon, just a big debuff since people aren't expecting a guy's voice out of a female avatar.

>>5949234
I'm auditioning for all of them except the fox, purely because her design doesn't appeal to me and I wouldn't fit the role.

Have any png tubers in here noticed a big jump in views when you debuted your 3d model?

>>5954030
Thanks, I just scrolled through the entirety of twitch's "vtuber" tag, and there were literally 1000 women with female avatars, and 0 men with female avatars. Thats why I asked if you were wondering.

>>5945509
another tv head? theres already two

>>5945610

>>5954694
if you want to see an example of some at varying levels of audience, here are a few
https://www.twitch.tv/dot_lvl
https://www.twitch.tv/feefch
https://www.twitch.tv/akashivt

why do you /asp/ies suck so much? like only odette, feef and callie are worth watching

>>5954694
what are you talking about? wondering what?

>>5955036
Dunno, why did your mom suck so little?

>>5955036
well, we started here as a place to get pointers and try to improve
what are your problems with other /asp/ies beyond the three you named?

>>5955318
they are boring desu

>>5955354
oh, this was the answer i expected

>>5955036
doing better than you my friend

>>5956035
most of you are actually doing the same or worse than 4clover

>>5956069
searched both youtube and twitch and both platforms the only matches I found have less followers and viewers than me

>>5956299
so which aspie are you then?

>>5954401
Are you copy pasting the same written answers for all of them?

>>5956771
Nope, I'm tailoring each one to each character. Not a total rewrite, but different for each one

>>5957012
Ok ty anon

>>5939036
? its been almost 6 months already with 0 drama

>>5902009
2-3 months, if something gets approved doesn't mean it will be completed, I've had approved ones that have been dropped, but have faith. The one that took the longest ended up being the best.

>first time hearing own voice in years
>hate it
very cool

<div><iframe width="300" height="60" src="https://vocaroo.com/embed/1e95ylysk4AS?autoplay=0" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay"></iframe><br><a href="https://voca.ro/1e95ylysk4AS" title="Vocaroo Voice Recorder" target="_blank">View on Vocaroo &gt;&gt;</a></div>

>>5960079
I can't even fucking post correctly

https://vocaroo.com/embed/1e95ylysk4AS?autoplay=0

>>5960079
What are you doing here? Go do audiobooks with that voice, you'll do much better.

>>5960079
People are predisposed to hating their own voice. Despite what you might believe your voice is actually quite pleasant after listening to the vocaroo.

will i make it https://vocaroo.com/embed/1g9AzzCgckLl?autoplay=0

>>5960079
>>5960120
Your voice ain't bad bro, your s are a bit longer than ideal but otherwise it's way better than my trash voice and accent

>>5960828
I knew it, but I still fell for it, here's your (You)

>finished a stream
>looking over it, realized my pale-ass midriff was visible in the camera for the craft part of the stream

Should I just roll with it or refuse to post anything that takes away from the illusion that i spend my whole life in a witch outfit?

>>5960120
>>5960079
You sound exactly like an educational audio book narrator

>>5961495
Cant witch outfits with croptop cuts exist?

>>5961495
Roll with it just because it's funny lol

>>5961495
If you 're female its fine

>>5959377
>The one that took the longest ended up being the best.
hoping that's the case for me as well. this is gonna be hell of a thumbnail.

>>5960133
>>5960168
>>5960875
>>5961514

cheers, I'll start practicing my enunciation and try to sound less monotone

https://vocaroo.com/embed/19xRVO0GtWgR?autoplay=0

>>5962157
You know CGP Gray? That's what you voice vibes like, serious. Unless you're trying to play some character that doesn't go well with that voice, or one that goes well with the exact opposite, you'll probably fall into uncanny valley.
However your voice has great potential, what about your expressions? How can you act and pull of different moods? That's worth easily more than half the value of a character (I've seen several theatre actors with voices not as appealing as yours but with EXCELLENT skills that made you believe everything they say, and vice versa). What are you recording those vocaroos on? Got a microphone or just doing it straight on your phone? I don't know if vocaroo fucks up your file, but sounds a little bit muddy and as if the mid/high frequencies are toned down a lot.

>>5962529
https://vocaroo.com/embed/1bLoGGrvCepl?autoplay=0

I'm not really practiced enough to say for sure how my acting is - I don't think I do moods very well but I feel somewhat confident in my ability to sound somewhat confident in my own bullshit.

Recording on an entry level condenser mic in a room that's not properly set up, so the mud is a necessary evil atm

I'm currently in the process of learning how to play a stylophone. What are some songs I should learn how to play for memes?

>>5963306
the meme songs for vtubers are
>Country Roads
>Baka Mitai
>Never Gonna Give You Up
but i wouldn't do any more meme songs aside from those and play real songs, they're more impressive over the long run.

Why does everyone here get obsessed with commissioning a fucking expensive drawing just so they can get the clout and appearance? Most of them fall out after 3 months of their debut. How about you focus on your content instead?

>>5963472
>commissioning a fucking expensive drawing
who in this thread?

>>5963155
Yeah you can pull it off with that voice, however I personally dislike 80's action movies rugged men. Don't let my opinion on that subject make you reject it.
Honestly you can do that character pretty well just by tensing your voice and trying to sound a little more scuffed - think Jon Bernthal in The Punisher. Something like this: https://voca.ro/1hkxOLzMPt4O I'm ESL and have a higher pitch voice, but you'd be able to pull it off much more convincingly and with ease.
Mic test: https://voca.ro/1k67M2MaovIg

>>5963306
Original Doom's Hell's gate.
>>5963472
Idk if it's a fallacy or what, but it's thinking that investing more=better.

If you're serious about doing this getting a big name artist to do your design is legitimately a huge buff. There's a reason why people pay for the meme of iron vertex. It immediately puts eyes on your model and a good pre stream impression. This is all assuming you have the skills and charm to keep an audience of course.

>>5963352
Right now I'm just messing around with it. Might do a stream or two where I try to play songs, but I thought it would make a good redeem.

>>5964133
>but I thought it would make a good redeem.
oh fuck yeah, pulling off a quick riff from a few meme songs sounds like a fantastic redeem.

so after a few tutorials and about a week in assorted programs I came up with this thing. Any feedback, improvements, shit talking, or assorted comments to make it better? My artistic skills are limited at best

>>5963644
Thanks for the advice
https://voca.ro/1enluFq8dRKr

And here's the first very rough sketch of my character, currently unnamed

This is the mic I'm using, recording through audacity
https://www.audio-technica.com/en-ca/at2020

>>5964358
torso area is kinda bland, toss a brooch, necklace, some ornament or something on there.

>>5964376
keep in mind that you'll be chest and up for 99% of your streams, so a lot of the details on your lower half won't be seen by the audience. pic related is generally what they're getting.

>>5964436
Yeah, I wanted to model the coat off an RL design I have (pic rel) but again, limited art skill. Course now that I have a picture I might be able to work with it. Also I still need a name

>>5964729
>model the coat off an RL design I have
gonna be honest, my first thought was moth wings

>>5964376
It's not that different but it's getting there, Rome wasn't built in a day chap. You have to force your voice frequently to be able to get it to make the one you want consistently. Keep in mind that maintaining a raspy voice for 1+ hours (average stream) will take a toll on your vocal cords and you'll feel like you caught a cold.
Try to look up voice EQ tutorials, like Alex Knickerbocker's https://youtu.be/ibxVti6i2K0
The mic you're using is pretty good, to be honest, but it needs a little bit of tweaking to sound "fresher", specially boosting a little bit the higher frequencies of your voice and reducing the resonance (it's easier to do it with software than to change your room lol).

The character's concept looks great, but as >>5964436 pointed out, you'd want to have a little bit more detail on the upper torso/face. I don't know if it was your goal, but having it use sunglasses makes it easier to Live2D.

>>5963155
>>5964376

Definitely check out Dr. Disrespect, he's got that 80s vibe down to the letter after years of practice.

>>5964763
Oh yeah, those things in the back are moth wings. I was talking about the single color jacket and shirt combo I had going on.

>>5953990
If you're not a femboy it can filter a lot of people, a few here and there like FoxyJoel and Dot can pull it off but Joel has an extremely magnetic personality and Dot provides a very niche experience as far as retro gaming content and knowledge goes. You need something besides "guy with a girl avatar", unless you're a femboy with a feminine voice and mannerism.

>>5954694
Scrolling through the tag won't really help unless you actually clicked every single one.

>>5964436
>>5964850
>>5964888
Thanks for the advice guys, I'm gonna start practicing regularly and hopefully it'll shape up into something nice

skeb accepts music requests now. Would be cool to commission intro music from there

i got my first akasupa today, i never thought anyone would drop that much at once especially for a normal stream.
i'm crying im so happy
we are all gonna make it guys

>>5965970
Happy for you anon.

Male VTuber. Been going for 9 months but just took basically a month off and it killed my channel. Hoping a redebut with new model in about another month will bring it back.

>>5966326
You were doing pretty good anon. Were your audience mostly girls? did you hit that niche?

>>5961550
>>5961565
>>5961709
I dont think you realize, I look like a fucking ghost.

>>5966368
Yeah. Not sure if you were around a few days ago but I was the anon who built up a Fujo audience reading novels and reviewing anime. Used to easily clear 150 a stream. Gotta build it back up and I'm thankful for finding this board. I can't stand most of the other "communities" out there.

>>5966508
Show us then.
Are witches supposed to be tanned and fit?

>>5966648
ohhh i had a feeling you were that anon; i'm sure you'll be able to build back up to that as more of your old base realizes that you're back!

>>5966689
I was carving a spoon, and while Im super self-conscious about how pale i am my work room also doesn't have AC, so i was wearing silkies and a sports bra.

>>5966753
Thanks bro! I'm hoping so! Gotta channel my inner child and learn how tiktok works next. That seems to be a huge point of growth for the male VTubers recently. Talk about cursed communities.

>>5966883
admittedly the spoon is a bit rough.

>>5966883
>I was carving a spoon
You better link your channel, I want to watch a witch do that DIY shit.

>>5966910
>have to make a tiktok to appeal to zoomers
godspeed anon, try not to die from the cringe/

>>5966951
I don't want to be linked with 4chan any more than I already am, most of my tarot streams get actual regular people into tarot.

>>5967047
I hope I'll find you some day, unironically interested.
The spoon looks cool, although the cup seems a little too shallow. Already finished it?

>>5967135
Yeah, the main purpose I plan on using it for is stirring chili.

My next crafting stream series will probably focus on accessories for flintlock rifle.

>>5966883
bunzel?

>>5967189
>flintlock rifle

>>5896659
I saw Coco's last stream today and decided I wanted to be an agent of positive change on someone else's life, like she was. Problem is, I only have a shitty business laptop and a phone 100x time more powerful that the laptop on me right now. Should I use it to stream something inconsequential and practice for when I buy an actual PC? Is there any advice on how to even stream from a phone?
I'm not poor, I just never cared particularly about having a good PC. But now I feel the fire in my heart burning, and maybe it's the mid-life crisis, but I want to try it anyway.

>>5967304
bunzel doesn't read tarot and also i don't think he'd be wearing a sports bra lmao

>>5967776
The actual rifle would be way too much to post, since all the carving and engraving is overly distinct since I did it all myself. I was just going to do streams making possible bags, flint wallets, vent picks and other accessories.

>>5967778
you can try downloading the twitch app and use it to go live and stream something. it's fairly limited in its options though.

>>5967878
Damn anon. I hope I find your channel. Any breadcrumbs you can give?

>>5967957
My debut stream was me drunkenly reading "Industrial Society and it's Future?"

>>5929404
>twitch
yeah, you're right i probably wouldn't

>>5967953
Well, it's better than nothing. I don't think anyone's gonna show up, anyway, so I'll just talk to myself for a while to try to get the shyness away and see how much dead air I can cover for without resorting to random cursing, like a lot of the streamers my sisters watch.

>>5968618
don't really expect regular viewers for your first 5-10 streams. you might get a few channel hoppers who are checking out no-view streamers, but it's not reliably consistent.

in your downtime, start making a list of topics you can zatsudan about, stream ideas you want to do, and so on.

>>5967957
Anon, how many vtubers do you think have done a spoon carving stream in the last 24 hours? Just chuck some keywords into twitter.

>>5968667
That's okay. The less people they see me bumbling like an idiot, the better. I'll just try to get over the awkwardness of talking to yourself and hating your own voice, like everyone else.
I'm also somewhat new to this, so I don't know what zatsudan means, but I'll keep some post-its nearby with reminder of anecdotes for when I run out of material and I need to talk about anything to fill out dead air.

>>5968878
>zatsudan means, but I'll keep some post-its nearby with reminder of anecdotes for when I run out of material and I need to talk about anything to fill out dead air.
that's basically a zatusdan. it's japanese for "free talk" or "free chat" where the streamer just talks about idle topics with the chat. it's a carryover phrase from japanese vtubers that even western chuubas have adopted

>>5968776
oh wow that was really easy yeah

>>5968914
Alright. Thanks for the help.
I'll install some soundproof paneles in a room of my house before I try it. Don't want the neighbors thinking I went insane if I start singing Ridi Pagliaccio at the top of my lungs at some point.
This is a nice thread and I'll hang out in here for a while to see how things work.

>>5969169
good to have you here anon, the thread is usually cozy but occasionally it runs into some stupid arguments; hope you enjoy your stay!

Any niji girls with views here yet? I was pretty confident with the written part of my audition but I’m fretting already.
I saw some of the guys have views, maybe they’re sort of short listing as they go with them.

>>5966910
Im the guy who tried to look for you but I failed unfortunately.

>>5964358
Contrast is important. Look at your model in black and white. You lose detail because the colors you chose don't have a lot of contrast, notice in pic related that the hat, hair, jacket, and even the eyes are almost indistinguishable.

>>5969041
I do wonder why people post so specifically on here if they don't want to be linked to /vt/

>>5970865
there's still 9 days until they even close auditions, I wouldn't worry yet. there's probably a lot less guys than girls auditioning

>>5970865
Pretty sure most if not all are lying about getting views to make others nervous because its funny, I know I would. It doesn't mean you're in but basically don't worry about it until after the deadline. There is no point in worrying about an app you've already submitted. In the meantime you can practice and improve to either make it as an indie, pass a future audtion, or join Nijisanji as an even better vtuber.

People who did the female audition, what did you do for your videos? I'm thinking I'll do a zatsudan but and then some gameplay but I'm not sure

>>5974911
>>5974755

You’re right I know, I’m just a worrier!! Thanks guys though, for talking me down a bit.

>>5975946
That’s pretty much what I did. There was some good advice before about making sure you showcase all of your talents in your audition video really briefly.
So if you’ve not submitted, it’s worth following that advice I think.

>lots of useless knowledge on sea creatures
>bilingual, self-taught
>enjoy boomer shooters
>play the harmonica on the side
Is there any kind of demographic I can appeal to?
What would you guys recommend as a hypothetical application video?

>>5966508
You do realise that only makes it hotter?
Theres a multi billion dollar industry dedicated to skin lightening

>>5976289
Fuck it, lean into it, full force. Just go for the 'random knowledge' vtuber, drop facts in whenever they're relevant, play up the Miss Fizzle aspect

>>5976854
>play up the Miss Fizzle aspect
I had a completely different theme planned for the occasion, but a bus driver with too much info on pointless subjects sounds too much fun to not consider.
If comissioning didn't cost an arm and a leg I'd even do the "one dress a day" gimmick.

>>5977277
Do it anyway. Maybe not dresses, but maybe hats? I'm sure you could find transparent pngs out there, or do ones in paint?

>>5977277
different glasses?

Pomu answered a Marshmallow about Niji audition videos if anyone wants to watch

https://youtu.be/FhVPK2nWcsU?t=6335

>>5977361
>>5977504
I could do both, honestly. Since I'm not well versed in other subjects, the idea was to sport a new set for every day of the week. Or maybe one for every kind of stream (singing, gaming, etc) if I felt that it'd cover my model too often.

>>5972598
Ah, sorry about that. There's a surprising number of reading streams nowadays.

>>5976289
Sounds pretty insteresting anon. Go for it n.n

>>5978026
You don't need to be sorry for my inability to find you! omg
I still wish I could figure it out because I think I could learn a lot from your content. If I selfposted would it be alright with you if you liked some tweet so I knew? I get why you would want the plausability so I don't want to push you.

Why do 2d vtuber softwares use so much more resources than 3d? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Facerig, animaze, and 2 others I forget the names use 12% of my CPU with live2d models. But rigging up a high res 3d waifu avatar and using Vseeface uses ~5%.

What gives?

Anyone know if the issue with OBS vod track scuzzing up audio is fixed yet, or still ongoing?

>>5979035
graphics cards are very optimized for moving 3d models around but live2d is unique and not as well optimized since it's proprietary and not much else uses it

>>5977670
well, fuck I was going to write a script and act it out but it seems like I need to go back to streaming and grab clips instead if that's what they're looking at

>want to show off TRPG play in application since it's a lot of what I want to do
>friends and groups I play with don't stream and don't want any recordings of it
I guess I'm going to have to resort to just taking a transcript of a good moment and reading the parts out by myself in different voices

>>5979721
For my PRISM audition where I got called into an interview, I had a short script of like 2 minutes at most then just a bunch of clips/skits as well.

Although current Niji audition might be a bit different though (for females at least)

>>5980209
I'm thinking for males, but the pomu interview from that clip, she said it was just her giving a quick 30 second intro, talking about why she loves Nijisanji for like a minute and who she was a fan of, and then a bunch of clips of her existing character at the time (maid mint)
I don't know if that only worked because she was one of the top EN streamers at the time
but at least it shows the traditional idol interviews aren't necessarily what they're looking for

the only thing that makes me question is the prompt explicitly says a quick intro and then streaming in character as a character from your imagination, which makes it seem more like they want a 5 minute preview stream to see how well you can roleplay vs wanting to see a bunch of clippable moments you had that went viral

>>5898875
Link to slugma or clip to where she said it?

>>5960828
Is this how american noises sound like? How fascinating

This is an interesting thread. Had anyone here auditioned for both Hololive and Nijisanji EN and talk about their experience here?

Is vtubing on twitch to make friends and just talk to people in general a good way to go? Not necessarily looking to blow up or anything.
I have no IRL friends (aside from GF if that counts who is encouraging me to get into vtubing) after moving across the country for a job a year ago, and my online friend circle I've been a part of for over 10 years fell apart 6+ months ago and I've had no buds since.

>>5983505
No.

You'll have all the problems that standard streamers do in gaining viewers, but you'll also have the 'shackle' of not aiming to grow, so you'll perhaps be at a disadvantage. Maybe consider hopping into streams that get posted here, or jumping in on the 0/1 viewer streams and making friends with the streamer that way

>>5983505
you can make friends but they might be pretty superficial
it's important if you want to make friends to keep a little bit of distance from some drama since the discords, even the ones the people from here and wvt are in attract drama like nobody's business
join groups, make friends, but be aware when people are just talking shit and causing drama, and try to stay above it a bit, it's easy to get sucked into some 20 viewer vtuber's rant about someone who has 100 viewers who didn't raid them or whatever

>>5983505
Yes. I stream like 2 or 3 times a week playing XIV with like 15-20 people hanging out in my channel, and 90% of the time I'm mindlessly playing while just chatting with them.

Maybe they aren't "friends" in the strictest sense, but we enjoy each others company, so I think the other fag is wrong.

Stay well the fuck away from discord though

>>5983505
Yeah for sure, if you just want people to talk to while you gaym.

This is how I started out, ended up with a small following without trying. Genuinely just wanted to interact with other human beings. I think if you're sincere in that desire, it does attract people as well. A couple of people that follow me are now people I actively do shit with, even when I'm not streaming.

>>5983505
I didn't go into this looking to make friends but uniornically ive made some amazing friends and we collab and talk all the time.
Finding someone you genuinely vibe with is hard but i believe in you anon-chamma

>>5983596
>>5983602
>>5983682
>>5983822
>>5984152
thank you guys

So do you think a western vtuber aping Tomari's skit about totally being 100% a girl would be able to get any traction?

First stream is today...! Not expecting anyone to show up since my networking skills aren't the best, but still nervous. Wish me luck.

>>5984635
Link it or suck dick

>>5984635
good luck, anon.

>>5983505
other anons have touched on it already. you gotta keep in mind that when you're going live, you're a content creator first and foremost. just going live as a vtuber doesn't guarantee instant friends, even if you and some viewers happen to like nerdy stuff.

>>5896659
I'm trying out だれでもVtuber but the free version is kinda limiting. I can't stop the bobbing, can't swap to a different emotion, and the transparency is very buggy. The paid version is only $4 though, has anyone got any experience with it? This one seems like the best for pngtubers.

also will i make it https://streamable.com/b7690x

>average view of around 10
>going to med school soon
>started sperging out about the Jews for the lulz
>average viewership went up
Wtf? I wanted to quit with a bang

>>5984870
I use the paid version of that program for now, highly recommend it given its super cheap price. The current 2.1.9 version is pretty great and comes with a pretty detailed motion menu.

Transparency issue is still there for some reason. I used Clip Studio Paint to add a green background to my model images and used Chroma Key in OBS to get rid of it. Haven't found a way around it yet.

>>5984962
Wtf you can get an english version? Alright I'm buying it

>>5984991
Yeah, the paid version since... 2.1.6, I think? Has had a English setting. The Motion Menu also has English tool tips that pop up if you hover over them if you don't know what they mean.

Blink Frequency - how often your model blinks
Blink Speed - how long your eye remains closed when blinking
etc.

>>5984929
Fucking based I'd sub to you if I heard antisemitism, tier 3.

>>5984870
Why don't you guys just download one of the thousands of free 3d avatars that don't even require attribution, or one of the thousands that do, and you just link to the artists Twitter?

Seems much easiee

>>5985375
>using other people's designs and avatars
Branding is important anon

>>5984962
>>5984870
Use color key instead of chroma key! Don't ask me why it works better, but it does.

Yoolie just opened their commmissions for a 3D vtuber model. $1.5k - $2k. If you're looking for high quality 3D models, now's your chance. https://yoolie3d.carrd.co/

>>5986186
>3D vtuber model. $1.5k - $2k.
tfw i already put this much into a live2d and a rigger. would have jumped for a 3D model, but we're already in july and i've been working on this since march so i didn't want to postpone any longer. good luck to anons who land one of those 8 slots.

>>5974755
>>5974755
Since there was no timeframe given for contact with girls, and they're meant to be wave 3, I think they are going to prioritize going through the male app first and it may be months before the female app is finished. Every other app so far has given a timeframe for response such as 2 weeks to a month, but there is none for the Niji girls one.

some crazy bastard put together a huge list of commissions and assets for vtubers and general streamers

https://mobile.twitter.com/VTResources/status/1410763923356323840

>>5986613
What an absolute madlad. Thank you for posting.

i'm cursed. I'm an autist. If I wanna stream I want to do it in english but its my second language and I'm not that good at speaking it. I kinda wanna stream to improve my english speaking skills and my autism a lil I guess

>>5987031
Turn this flaw into your appeal point. People love ESL chubas if they sound cute.

So whats the deal with Cimrai?
Appears out of nowhere and in two months she's got over 10K subscribers

>>5987837
don't think anyone here really knows. rrat is that cimrai was very well integrated with the vshojo girls, kittymcpancakes and takahata's side of the vtuber community for a long while. is pretty loaded so got a very high quality rig and model, then started doing collabs right off the bat with them, boosting her to big numbers.

but again that's just a rrat.

https://twitter.com/ironmouse/status/1411033692806520838?s=19
It's that time again y'all

>>5988002
200+ comments in 10 minutes

>>5987962
Well she has some kind of relationship with takahata.
So yeah clearly set up for success

>>5986564
Pretty sure the first niji app didn't give a timeframe for a response

>>5987837
previous content creator who bought a top of the line model with tip top rigging quality, and used their influence with other bigger content creators to get shilled out of the gate
basically the same thing artemis of the blue did

What's up with skeb commission deadlines? If they don't meet it does just nothing happen? Feels awful having a request accepted and then nothing comes of it. I was kinda hoping to use the art I commissioned for promo stuff.

>>5988872
If they don't meet it, their completion rate decreases. I just got one of my comms refunded cause they didn't meet the deadline and their completion rate is sitting at 50% (only had one other commission done before me) which is bad for them.

coming up with a character name and design is hard
doesn't help that I want o draw it myself when I start out with a PNG
it's so easy to just be a voice, only need to hit "start stream"

>>5989164
Play around in picrews.

>>5989150
Ah, so that's what that means. I thought that was acceptance rate. Good to know there's some repercussions for the artist. Still sucks.

>>5989164
you can practice streaming without a character, it might actually help you come up with a design since you'll know what your voice and general vibes are like while streaming
for names try looking up name etymology/kanji that fit your character design maybe? worked for me

>>5989212
that's what I mean, I've been doing just voice and gaming streams for about 7 years on/off (mostly off) and managed to get a 100 or so follower account with 10 or so viewers built up
I was going to be a PNGtuber and just convert the account but damn it's so much harder than doing regular streaming