/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I missed it. How did Gura do?

>>5855834
Can you global fags fuck off

>>5855869
Literally drop whatever you're doing and watch it right now before you read spoilers. It's an S-tier stream.

I also forgot to link the previous thread
>>5832721

>>5855869
Walked in like she owned the place, chewed the scenery, challenged Calli in her own game, and somehow managed to (completely using in-character knowledge and analogies with no outside assistance) figure out things that people were expecting a NPC to feed her. It was amazing to see her natural talent on display.

She claims that she's never played a TTRPG, which may be true, but I seriously doubt she's never done roleplay/improv before.

>>5855869
It was unequivocally the best of the bunch, and I would argue one of Gura ane Mori's best streams in general.

>>5855834
Hi Mori, love your streams.

>>5855869
Really quite good. Gura's reaction is really fun looks like she really enjoy it.

This is a tangent, but how much do you want to bet this causes an uptick in the amount of western indies trying to stream their own TTRPGs?

>>5856179
They've already been doing it before this.

>>5856179
Considering this exact situation has already happened with normalfag streamers and D&D, it's pretty much guaranteed.

>>5855950
Gura called Callie out on being a theater kid once, which makes me believe she also has acting experience

>>5855869
Pretty fucking great according to Mori.

>>5856200
>>5856202
Oh good. Now I'll be even more of a literal-who.

>>5856179
It's possible. It's not like streaming TTRPGs is that new or uncommon of a trend given the success of CR.

>>5856179
The problem is of course that western indies don't have the resources Calli does. She can tap a massive well of community talent that operates out of sheer goodwill for HoloEN, To pull this off as an indie you would have to be some kind of wunderkind that can do all the art, music, planning, tech, and (lest we forget) all the game world on top of that.

>>5856234
As long as you don't do D&D or Pathfinder.

Man I'm tired of people shitting on Watoto, it was actually my favorite and I'm not a teammate at all.

>>5856277
Having sheer force of will/autism to do all that helps too.

>>5856313
You're allowed to have wrong opinions, it's ok.

>>5856313
It would really help if Ame wasn't so nebulous about descriptions.

Damn, I wish I could read.

Bets on what sort of connection(s) the major friendly NPCs have with each other?

>>5856313
>t.

>>5856290
I don't already. Unfortunately D&D/Pathfinder is all viewers seem to care about in terms of clicks. Especially on Twitch where non D&D TTRPGs go in a debuff category that is so niche you never get noticed short of existing audience/raids. The fact that Mythbreakers is doing so well is great, but I doubt the windfall will pass to non-agency VTubers.

>>5856277
I have the last three and >>5856312. But it means fuck all without music/art/social media success.

>>5856238
CR isn't a good metric to judge by at all.

>>5856179
Not gonna lie. I wouldn't be upset in the slightest. TTRPGs are pretty fun to watch. And hey, if a few standout indies catch my eye then all the better.

>>5856433
>CR isn't a good metric to judge by at all.
I didn't imply that it's a metric to judge success by. It was a major catalyst as to why streaming TTRPGs is even a thing.

>>5856313
i am a teamate and i was disapointed.

I think a lot of it probably comes down to ame being new and not knowing what she's doing. I hope she gets better.

I haven't seen guras yet but of the other 3 ames was the worst, which hurts because I was looking forward to that one the most.

>>5856482
That's ignoring the success of Acquisitions Inc. They were the first big D&D podcast out there. They set the stage far before CR did.

>>5856313
Some people were put off by her speaking pattern. Like Tiara's vocal tic, there's a significant chance it gets toned down because of the effort required to maintain it long-term.

>>5856414
Too early to speculate. I caught a reference to a hellmouth in one of the threads and I think it's kind of apt. Mythton as a focus of supernatural weirdness is probably gathering all kinds of attention from all kinds of people mortal and not mortal, and if Vic, the mayor, and the cultists are any indication it looks like people both mortal and immortal are gathering to take advantage/stop whatever's going on.

Do you think the girls will burn down a vampires house in broad daylight together?

That's quintessential huntercore and also sounds cute.

>>5856518
I won't tell you that they didn't set the stage, they did, but CR played the show. Stream culture as we know it didn't truly exist in 2008 to begin with.

>>5856501
I think it comes down to people disliking Watoto because it's the only non fapable character, and all their vtuber appreciation revolves around sexual fetishes.

Her character was the most unique, her interpretation of it was on point, all her actions made sense and the entire episode flowed seamlessly. If there were any blatant flaws was because of Mori not doing a proper offstream prep with her. While I agree that Gura was amazing today and she is the EN girl I watch the most, I'd love to have a Watoto tier character on all of my campaigns every time.

>>5856580
So one thing I don't get is, are people in general aware of all the supernatural shit going down around them in this world? If not, how would hunters get away with what would be seen as murder and arson by regular authorities?

>>5856617
I'm more familiar with old world of darkness but..

generally no, others are NOT familiar with the supernatural. That's why burning down a vampires house in broad daylight is such a hunter move.

You would rather deal with authorities via mind controlling powers, having money in the police station, bribery, avoidance, whatever than have to deal with a vampire at night. Burning a house in the day isn't the most subtle move but vampires are fucking dicks at night.

hunters are heroes making the big risk plays the normie humans would be too afraid to make. that's why they're the players.

>>5856617
Most people aren't, and how often the authorities could (or should) get involved largely depends on GM fiat - but it's important to note that while the comman man may not be aware of all the supernatural forces at play around them, they very much are - and many generally have a vested interested in remaining hidden. Hunter targets are generally off the grid as far as "people" go, assuming they even are people to begin with, so an investigation might not even be launched by local authorities. For something involving an incident burning a building down, there might be consequences but depending on who's pulling the media's strings you might find that the local papers write it off as a gas explosion or some such to sweep it under the rug.

>>5856580
yes, by complete accident yull lights vics house on fire trying to park the car.

>>5856617
Other supernatural factions help them cover it up because they have much more to lose from having their own existence known. Of course, then they go after them with their own means.

>>5856832
Don't forget that Kiara's owl will somehow be involved as well.

That damn owl is pretty much the only reason why I don't rate Kiara's stream very high. The fucking bird solved the entire scenario by itself while Kiara slept.

>>5856832
Vicchama...

What kind of character would Ollie play???

>>5857058
A very loud one.

>ttrpg

This is getting kind of autistic. Gura and Mori playing Warhammer tabletop when? them playing any of the warhammer games, especially total warhammer, is also acceptable

>>5855834
GURAAA I TOOK LETHAL DAMAAAGE LESGOOOOOO TO MYTHOOOON

does Yagoo know how much a fucking break he caught with these HoloEN girls? like, jesus christ how did you manage to find 5 girls out of the blue, one of which ended up being the perfect pair for a TTRPG? 23k viewers and it did not fucking flinch for three hours

any of you ever taken aggrevated damage irl?

>>5857218
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>>5855950
She roleplays as a shark, after all.

>>5855869
watch the VOD right now

>>5856313
i would rate it highly if she got out of character even for a minute but nope

Is this going to be WOD's Critical Role?

>>5857058
probably a yuul type since she's already living a protag lifestyle like her brother being a leader in a big gang

>>5857486
i wouldn't be surprised if the fully sponsor the first episode (like music, art, etc.)

Is the ttrpg with snuffy and some vshojo girls any good?

>>5857579
go watch ironmouse one they had 2 campaigns, atm the current one is still introducing mechanics to them.

Gura was an active player. It was believeble for her to try and sneak out of the house to chew out the doctor. It was okay that she was stomped at some points that Mori had to give her options because she was so in character. She was panicking. It was in character for her to just keep on asking questions. She used her best skills to play through the game as best she can as a newbie. Her not connecting the dots as fast as everyone can was believable as well because her character was kind of like that. I like her session mainly because her character was believable and she knew when to step back and be Gura when making decisions. I'm interested how she's going to interact with the other characters. I know for sure she's going to treat Watoto like old crinkle.

Question from someone not normally into these things: What's with the GM's eyes? They twitch about far more than any of the other avatar things the players are using. Her mouth seems to be better matching what I imagine her real mouth is doing compared to some of the others, but her eyes are all over the place, twitchy and spasaming.

>>5856179
indies seem to use Holo as a guide, so it wouldn't come as a surprise.

>watch Gura's and Calli's stream
>have a ton of fun
>realize this kind of experience is something i've always wanted
>covid's fucked up any meet up with my friends for over a year
>start crying
please stay safe anons, so we can all meet up and have fun like this once more

>>5857829
That's just normal Mori behavior. Maybe she's habitually a bit too close to the camera, but since she's moved house once and redid her setup like three times, I think it's just how her eyes normally move.

>>5857829
That's good eye tracking, likely exaggerated by the anime proportions of the face, plus her using multiple monitors and maybe playing it up for the camera.

>>5857829
She probably actually is just like that, since none of the others do it, but we don't know for sure.

>>5857829
Mori's always had twitchy eyes. It's probably a combination of really good rigging and her own habits.

>>5857829
I remember her saying her setup has 4 monitors.

>>5857829
she probably has 4 monitors if she does music editing

>>5857851
whatever you do, DO NOT join free campaigns unless you actually know the people you are playing with

>>5857172
Warhammer is complete autism and totally boring to watch. The game is propped up by dopamine-dead whales who fork out their bennies to continue creating shitty internal paracosms about their crappy army. Find a real wargame to play and don't come to this thread ever again.

>>5858150
Mori said on Trash Taste that she has 4 monitors

>>5857829
Mori is a bit schizo......

>>5858200
Warhammer is literally part of 4chan culture, reddit scum.

>>5858177
That's the only way to start if you don't have any friends into RPGs. Just keep in touch with the people who seem stable if the game falls apart.

time stamp for Gura's moment of realization adlib: https://youtu.be/_MiGxbsKyO8?t=9117

>dark mystery lady replaced with dumb, rapeable country bumpkin
i like this

>>5858307
OUHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>5858307
Nice edit my dude.

>>5857932
Pretty sure she also doesn't wear glasses, which helps with the eye tracking. She also probably has the best rigging in all of Hololive, and she definitely uses that. I can't think of any of the other girls that can manage as many expressions as her.

>>5856179
except D&D and shit on twitch is a terrible idea lmao. it's super bad unless you're actually interesting and know what you're doing

>>5858398
Thanks. Honestly even discounting the fanservice factor, the whole using her clothes to make a rope bit was one of the best plays in the campaign thus far, going beyond the usual problem-solving strategy of "which skills/equipment can I use" and actually thinking outside the box to come up with a solution.

>>5858447
Gura was "cheating" by reading chat for ideas. But I'm OK with that if it means we don't get her going "uhh... ohhh... I don't know what to do!" for ten minutes every time she gets in a stressful situation.

>>5858535
I'm down for some occasional chat peaking if it results in more interesting ideas being tried.

>>5858200
vtubersisters...

>>5858634
is this from /tg/? it sounds from /tg/

>>5858667
>/tg/ stands for /tranny games/

>>5858200
>>5858634
Both are true, but the first guy was responding to some 40ktard who thought roleplaying tabletops were bad.

>>5856616

I like Watoto. But I think the session was just kinda bleh. Ame made a mistake, and that’s okay. I’d say it’s more of Mori’s fault for not clarifying it until it was too late, but they’ve both fixed this issue now.

I’m disappointed but not discouraged. Looking forward to the first real stream.

>>5858307
Tfw you'll never be saved from death by a pantless, tomboy bumpkin girl

I was waiting for the Vic. Really like his character.

>>5858535
friends give hints and advice on real life sessions anyway i don't see anything different with this

>>5858535

Chat tends to be cancer and hardly has anything of value to say. Especially Gura’s. But I actually really like the idea that chuubas can do that in a livestream. Because by looking into chat and scouring it for ideas, they’re consenting to the backseating in the moment. So it’s not like they’re being forced into things by faggots like in FPS games. They see it and go: ‘oh that’s a good idea’, and it creates interaction when they take the community idea.

>>5857860

Do you guys think that Vtubing fucks up your body language? It’s kinda creepy to think about. Imagine being her friend and meeting Mori irl after a couple years. And for some reason she raises her eyebrows to maximum height constantly, her eyes twitch about, you can always see all the whites like a frightened horse, her mouth gapes open in a smile whenever she finishes a sentence, she tosses her head side to side, etc. It would be super unsettling. I feel like having to use facial controls for a rig 6 days a week would completely fuck up how you express emotions in the normal world.

>>5858862
Maybe occasional slip-up but not constantly. Talking to someone face to face is very different than staring a screen

>>5858862
No, man.

>>5857851
Tell a couple of your friends to buy TTsim and you can go to town. It doesnt have to straight up be TTRPG either, any other type of table top games like game of life, monopoly, or even normal card games are amazing at bonding and can fill that hole surprisingly quick

>>5858777
repulsive art

>>5858862
>It would be super unsettling.
I think it would be super cute.

>>5858862
i sincerely doubt that, and its not like they have to do exaggerated movements for the tracking to pick up, they can just change to the desired expression in their menu, which we see many do constantly

>>5858916

Yeah, but I was thinking that it’d be tiring if you have to put on specific faces to activate your rig. So when you’re offscreen, you unconsciously associate expressing X emotion with making the face that you use the live2d with.

Any amateur tubers here that can weigh in on this?

>>5858321
That really was well done. I kneel to shark.

Well first you've gotta be threatened into a near-death situation by that same scrappy farm girl and take a dip in some stomach acid.

>>5856313
The problem with Watoto is that she didn't drift far from Calis loving embrace. Kiara and Ina were on branching paths. Ame was on a railroad and Gura actually stretched her legs out a little.

>>5856617
There are alphabet boys more secret and private than the FBI itself dedicated to pulling the wool on the public's eyes; Task Force Valkyrie.

>>5858862
>for some reason she raises her eyebrows to maximum height constantly, her eyes twitch about, you can always see all the whites like a frightened horse, her mouth gapes open in a smile whenever she finishes a sentence, she tosses her head side to side, etc
Jesas, stop, I already want to fuck her.

>>5859234
Didn't Calli say Watoto took the path Calli didn't expect her to?

>>5859507
only really at the end when she agreed to the pact and such, most of the early game was her just nodding along

why was Gura so awkward and hesitant every time Calli roleplayed as Scout's papa?

>>5859555
She was role-playing as Scout of course.

>>5859306
>cali will never pay you to escort her and fuck and cum inside her in a hotel

why do i look so shit

>>5859555
She literally, unironically, is into DDLG fetish

>>5859555
she wants to call her daddy but remembered she's an idol now

>>5858862
>>5858981
Pretty sure that all the specific expressions are controlled by the hololive application UI, rather than recognition of facial expressions. Especially given that facial expressions don't twist around when in shock (from horror games), and also this clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Rw3fJmE2Q

If it looks like it's seamlessly transitioning based on what they're feeling/saying, that's just really good rig-control on the vtuber's part. The ones more accustomed to streaming/willing to invest have a streamdeck of some kind that further streamlines the process.

>create campaign plot that involves characters who will recur later in the story
>your players keep trying to get them killed
is there any good GM etiquette about making some NPCs "essential" or does Mori just kind of have to keep doing what she's doing?

>>5859654
>is there any good GM etiquette about making some NPCs "essential"
You can do it if you want. A GM has a lot of tools to keep their NPC's alive.
That said, the best GMs tend to follow the convention 'let things play out naturally' - and if that involves letting a supposedly 'essential' NPC die, so be it. Write around it.

>>5859654
you copy paste whatever info or role that npc was to serve onto another generated on spot

>>5859654
It's not a videogame...

>>5859654
any good dm has the bruce lee's water mentality, the only thing set in stone is the rope you tug on players when they're too far or going too slow

>>5859648
There is some automatic transitions (I think you can turn on and off the auto expression changer), but there is manual control as well. The clip you linked and most of Calli's stuff is manual. I don't have any clips handy, but I have seen moments where the on-screen action indicates that both hands are on the controller when the expression changes.

>>5859654
If Mori wants to save an NPC she will, it's just a matter of wording it. "This is his last chance to survive" is very different from "This is his last chance to get out of the mine...", etc. If she wanted to kill Nice she would have squashed him on the first roll when he tripped and fell while Gura got out, he got like three more chances (which he kept failing), because Gura clearly wanted to save him.

>Tiara has Vic
>Yuul has Chad and Nita crying in a corner
>Watoto has 2 dogs
>Scout has half digested doctor

>>5860060
Don't forget about her cute sister.

>>5860114
we aint practicing incest in this town, let it be a threesome with Nice then it slides chum

>>5860060
don't forget her backup character

>>5860152
Aw man I read that in the Sheriff Calli voice.

>>5859597
Imagine Gura actually being into that, DIAMONDS.

>>5859597
I don't suppose you have some actual proof.

>>5859810
Was it full on expression (angry face -> sad face for example) change or more like eyes widening, mouth gaping?
The former is what I mean for the manual expression control, and dictates the baseline 'default stance' but it's separate from eye movements, mouth movements, head tilt, and so on. Not sure myself if I've ever seen them go from one full expression into another when both hands are explicitly in use

>>5859597
Based. I want to manhandle tiny shark cunny while she calls me daddy.

DMing on a hobby shop for close to 12 years now I was honestly very surprised to see so little stereotypical "new player" characters in EN, considering its five autists that play videogames for a living.
Glad to see Gura ramming headfirst into the eternal INTJ gadgeteer first time character classic, the only thing she forgot is to make her a misunderstood but clumsy genius in disguise. Nature is healing.
Kiara also made a stealth archer legolas but being a falconer instead of a brooding supersniper already makes it a different character.

Wheres the Scout lewds? I need to see her tongue swirling inside the foreskin of a dick right now

>>5861406
and let it be in a PE storage area

>>5861406
>>5861488

Considering how country she is she probably even gladly sniff and lick up the smegma

did gura really lick a wall made of human bacon

Gura has most likely masturbated to Scout's model.

Vote for your favourite session so far!

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>>5855869
Worse than Ina
Better than Kiara
Better than Ame

Is the mine an existing thing in the setting like the Hook or the thing Watoto made a contract with?

>>5861863
I don't think it's the wyrm or an 'established character' - it's just a fucked up fruit of Mori's beautiful mind.

>>5855869
I expected Gura's session to be 3/10, barely above Watoto, but got a solid 9/10.

>>5858777
apart from Vic being a monstrosity, why is the gun melting in his hand?

>>5856617
People suspect there's spooky shit out there but they dont look too hard because if you can't see it it can't see you. Most of the time. Hunters are the exception.

>>5857486
God I fucking hope so, it might actually be easy to find a game

>>5862325
Imagine if a bunch of /vt/ anons decide to try and put a Hunter campaign together. Sounds like a fucking beautiful mess.

>>5861745
What's wrong with you fags, didn't you like Watoto's session?

>>5862430
I liked it a lot, it just wasn't my favourite.
Every session was at least a healthy 7 imo.

>>5862393
I once on a whim decided to join a /tg/ session aimed at beginners and we had a nice campaign spanning nearly a year with weekly sessions. Miracles happen

>>5862430

>>5862430
It's not as bad as some people make it out to be but certainly not my favorite.

>>5862510
Yeah, I agree with this sentiment. None of the girls have been campaign-wrecking terrible and have at minimum been entertaining. Even Amelia showed levels of forethought (the camouflage mushroom, hiding money).

>>5862430
I liked it a lot. Same thing, only one issue is her articulating her character's thoughts OOC. She was too terrified to be OOC.

>>5859648

I see. So she’s manually juggling it often. Thanks anon! That cleared it up for me.

>>5857579
I like it. Froot does some really good RP as does Nyanners.

>>5862430
I don't like her speech patterns honestly, just because Watoto is a conspiracy theorist doesn't mean she has to speak like Gollum.

>>5857218
Its all scripted and prerecorded

>>5862761
But that's how Ame speaks

>>5862772
can you at least try?

>>5862837
cope

>>5857218
Can you imagine how fucking Onyx Path must feel right now? Tragic release after tragic release and suddenly some pink haired reaper gets to saviorfag the entire company.

>>5862904
I imagine they must be pretty happy if they watched Gura's intro.

>>5862904
They need to shill the shit out of this to try to convert some of the fresh vtuber fans into buying their books

>>5863312
Yeah I can't wait to see what they have cooked up-
>v5, the only tabletop in history to cause an international incident
>shitty production schedules on all their books, even beyond World of Darkness
...ah...

>>5863387
So a perfect company to sponsor Cover shit!

I think having all four girls will actually make things much easier for all of them. Each of them had to role play and make decisions nonstop for 2-4 hours with a huge audience to boot. That’s exhausting. In a group there’s downtime to collect your thoughts while someone else has the spotlight and they can brainstorm together. In a stressful situation some might freeze up a bit but if someone else takes action they can just play off their lead. There’s more and more interactions to kickstart characterization and gameplay too.

Total aside a +2 wepaon, while nothing crazy in WoD, is going to be a pretty solid weapon. In her hands she will have a base 6 (dex+melee) plus 2 for the pick for 8 dice and something like 2-3L damage (armor pierce for a master craft pickaxe maybe?) is very respectable. If she goes all out and uses willpower she can throw 13 dice which will fuck a mortal right up. Even weaker supernatural creatures will have to take pause at that. And wasn’t it made out of magic demon human sacrifice metal? Be interesting to see if that means it could do lethal instead of beat or count as cold iron. In which case it really would be the Excalibur of pickaxes but hell 7 successes is pretty rare for something that requires significant time, materials and equipment to make. Also makes something very valuable you can take from a player without killing them

>>5863387
30 years of backlog, five editions and an alternate universe

>>5863387
I played a little oWoD and the fragmented product line confuses the hell out of me. Having glanced at the new stuff some of it seems awesome some sucks, so I would do what Mori is doing: mix and match. Makes it tough to market though. They are getting a six figure marketing campaign dropped in their lap for free so let’s see how hard they flub it.

>>5863498
if anything I'm kind of worried that Ina and Ame is going to be overshadowed by the more proactive players, but i guess Mori can foresee that and might have something planned to get them more engaged so it doesn't come to that.

>>5863387
Well getting Hunter 2e released so Mori doesn't have to cobble together rules would be nice

Query regarding cold iron, does the entirety of the weapon need to be formed from it, or could you say, wrap a weapon/bullet in a layer of cold iron and still have it be dangerous to fae

>>5863742
You don't need the whole thing to be formed from it, but if you wrap it it's probably not going to be very durable.

>>5863658
She's already stuck some OWoD cosmology so i think cobbling is inevitable

>>5863790
Lore/setting related stuff isn't too bad but she's also mixing nWoD 1e and 2e mechanics which makes balancing tricky. It's not nearly as bad as Tiara's session so it's not too big a deal but with HtV 2e it should make everything a lot smoother.

>>5862430
i don't like that she was too passive in most of the session with only grunt here and there, barely taking the initiative, which is very strange of her to not do.
RP elements were great and the story is interesting on paper, but going through the stream is boring.

And then also Gura's session was way too damn good

>>5863874
I think it was New Player jitters. I know less experienced players might get locked in overanalysis or just feel overwhelmed.

>>5863780
Fair enough, but could be useful in a pinch especially if an existing cold iron tool breaks and the pieces aren't big enough to form into a practical weapon

>>5855869
first 2/3 were excellent, but then gurandma got tired and probably should've taken a nap before the finale (still pretty entertaining though)

>>5855834
Calli made a playlist for all the sessions so far:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB8Nt5W7hnKA-nna_2FcXRSeg0un0dogU
Should it be in the OP template?

>>5864304
>0 views
It's over...

>>5864304
We call her Mori 'round these parts, anon.

>>5864052
World of darkness rules for cold iron are sort of weird. It’s not clear which interpretation Mori will use. Historically cold iron basically meant all iron. Iron like most metals is cold to the touch. You can’t make iron from ore or shape it usefully without the heat of a forge with very rare oddball exceptions (tiny meteoric iron tools or the like). So it’s really down to what the GM feels is reasonable.

>>5862430
I really liked it. Up until Gura's I thought it was the best session. Not sure why so many people were down on it. I appreciated Ame's dedication to her character and I thought it really added to the immersion.

>>5864009
yeah, i fully understand that as well, but it doesnt change my answer on which stream was the best.
I hope that once they get into the rhythm of it, all of them get more comfortable with their role and be more expressive and out of the box while playing, just like how it took them a while to break from initial debut jitters.

It's always amazing to see new players to TTRPG finally click on how to play the game

>>5862430
i liked it, but i like the others a whole lot more

Mori confirms Dr. Nice wasn't supposed to be a character, he was supposed to be a rumor for suspicions until Gura became proactive and RP'd him into existence.

>>5864802
So he really is a Mage then?

>>5864802
If you asked I would've assumed he was a key part of the plot. That Mori managed to create him on the fly and Gura alternately bullied him and saved him while getting invested in him is testament to both their GM/RP abilities.

>>5864894
Only if mori is using purple mage

>>5864939
Why would Dr. Nice have to be an Ascension Mage instead of an Awakening one?

>>5865023
>Gura became proactive and RP'd him into existence.

Sounds like ascension, not awakening. Also it's way easier for Awakening mages to just melt your face out of nowhere RAW

>>5865077
>it's way easier for Awakening mages to just melt your face out of nowhere RAW
Dr. Nice is a nice guy, the average person, and lots of Mages aren't okay with murder

>>5865189
Paralysis, mindscrew, your shank breaks, etc. He's not a mage, Scout's dad was just projecting

>>5865290
Unless going into the mine was his real intention all along, and having a blood relation of the guy doing all the sacrificing, who he tracked down to the farmhouse, could be useful...

Cover could make a fuckton of money if they funded an anime adaptation of this

>>5866147
damn man, with such hot ideas you should post advice on /biz/

>>5866147
Give them a break, they're still signing paperwork to put the official clip channel into full throttle.

>>5866147
Anime is way too fucking expensive, it's not going to happen. But it would be great to have fans draw something based on the events in the sessions like what we already have.

>>5866147
Animatics from fans is first. If they can drum up that side of the fanbase enough for the artists to have a sustained audience like clip channels, then they can start considering an anime. Start small.

>>5866429
Anime doesn't make money is rare exceptions. It is a great ad for manga sales, movies, merch, etc. But anime is usually an expense, not a source of revenue. Which is why so many awesome anime's never get more than 2-3 great seasons. Once they've done their job it's hard to justify their cost. A Hololive anime isn't going to happen.

Unless.... They make a Hololive gacha. Then an anime might be worth it.

>>5855834
I'm digging the fact that artists are digging the whole "muscular" Scout thing.

>>5866580
May the gods forgive you for the dark words you have spoken into this world.

>>5856313
people didn’t like watoto?? I thought it was hilarious

Is there a place to read up on the lore?

>Dr Nice
I wonder what's his full name since he's from Mythton.

>>5858422
>She also probably has the best rigging in all of Hololive, and she definitely uses that
Nah, even in EN I'd say Kiara has better rigging

>>5866662
It's Cawk.

>>5866649
buy the stuff, the publishers are starving
or if your unscrupulous, grab pdfs from the usual sites
dont mind the details like powers and such just read up on the fluff to get a feel of the world

>>5866662
There was an anon who said he's probably French. Guy.
I like it so much it's my headcanon until explicitly disproven.

>Doesn't get fucked over by like the others
>Gets a part of her own
>Can actually roleplay
Is Scout going to be the "main" character?

>>5866628
I've enjoyed gacha in the past and was always a light spender, maybe 10-20/month. I always felt like I could resist the urge to whale pretty easily. Special Limited Banner Fully voiced L2D Scout skin to commemorate the finale of Season 1 TTRPG! Ahhh! My wallet is opening by itself!

Actually what on earth is the copyright situation with Mythbreakers? Let's say they wanted to do an official manga or the like. Streams are one thing but actual merch using WoD IP?

>>5866693
>>5866741
What about the Mythton naming culture? Justin Time and Yuul B. Alright

>>5863742
It's required that you forge it at low temperatures to stay cold iron so it's probably easier to just form a solid block instead of trying to wrap something.

>>5866848
That's Justa University's name culture.
The current rrat right now is that Nice is a Justa Graduate.
In my reply, his full name is Nice Cawk.

47 mins in and I'm enjoying Gura's initiative. Her tapping to her innner country girl and her slight bumpkin intonation is pretty pleasant. Really makes me want to go back to GM'ing a campaign.

>>5866849
Forging actual iron at low temperature would be near impossible. Iron's actually pretty brittle relatively speaking. Doing it by hand... Jesus

>>5866908
I thought Nice was his last name

>>5866908
I don't know about you, but where I'm from, Doctors are usually called by their last name, so he'd be Dr. xxxx Nice.

>>5866908
A safer name would probably be Nice Toomityu
And if Nice were a graduate, wonder if he'd know/know about Yuul in some capacity.

>>5867021
I like that Mythton apparently have puns as a naming convention is just something that's accepted as normal and passes without question in that alternate reality.

>>5866846
They'd have to contact pardox proper for something like a manga licensing.

>>5867021
plot twist: dr. nice is a minion of the professor
he becomes a mid-season antagonist

>>5856179
I think we're more likely to see a jump in WoD/CofD streams than a vtuber TTRPG jump. Huntermyth has serious potential to be the Critical Role of WoD.

>>5866662
Barry Nice

I really did not expect Gura out of all of them to be the most open to rp based on her relative shyness infront of others. Good for her.

>>5867199
I like this one.

I can't wait for a redshirt to show up and be named Isgona Die

>>5867335
Yvonna Runinfurst

I wonder why Ame hasn't tweeted after her tutorial session.

Every other girl gave their thanks to those who viewed their session and gave their brief thought of it.

so fill me in anyone with experience
is say a full party of vampires going to go full twilight during combat situations?
can anyone paint me a picture (with words)

>>5867183
It already is relatively speaking. They are getting 10-35K so far for Hunter:the Vigil introduction tutorial sessions during late afternoon Tuesday timeslot. Critical role gets 50K for their main D&D sessions. I suspect with a proper marketing and buildup and a good slot they could approach or even beat those numbers occasionally. But there are quite a few D&D streams some of which get 4 digit viewership. It's very hard to find WoD streams and the one's I've seen have like 100-200 peak viewers max.

For Mori this is clearly a passion project and it seems that the girls range from somewhat interested to having a total blast so they aren't really pushing it as hard as they can. My selfish motivation: if it gets popular and official sponsorship deals get involved it makes it less likely it will be dropped and more regular, more frequent streams.

Is Scout inbred? Would you still impregnate her knowing that she is?

>>5861745
Gura > Ina > Ame > Kiara

But I may be biased here, because I couldn't sit through Kiara session.

Watoto is a great comic relief character in my opinion and can bring fun dynamics into the story considering Ame's choices in her introduction session.

so far Gura and Ina are the only two with somewhat serious characters. Don't know about Kiara but her ara-are shit really threw me off.

>>5866662
So on a scale from "Calli literally had to make up everything about him on the spot" and "He was very deliberately designed to be the most important character in the campaign," how important do you think Dr. Nice actually was? I kind of get the feeling that it was just a throwaway comment that Gura decided to follow up on and Cali had to improvise, and then Gura just kept fucking bringing him places. There was really nothing in the story that couldn't have been done without the doctor other than an offhanded mention of him keeping an eye on the old people, and how it was making it harder for Pa to do his dirty business.

>>5867079
It actually isn't, that's the best part. Vic didn't get Yuul's name. They had a dialogue in the very end that went like "What's your name?" - "Yuul B awlright" - "Yeah I'll be fine, what about you?" It's something unique to Justa University graduates, aside from Greg from frat party. Greg is probably getting kicked out solely for that reason.

>>5867568
Maybe? Doesn't really matter, i'd still let her ride me 'til my hips shattered.

>>5867568
Someone has to revitalize the bloodline
>Got a tractor captcha

>>5866846
They'd have to get commercial licensing for the setting stuff. The characters alone I'm pretty sure still belong to Cover.

>>5864802
>>5867679

So how is the Doctor Nice and Scout's little sister going work with the Yuul, Watoto, and Tiara?
I mean, is it normal for players to bring their own party to "the" party?

>>5867650
Honestly Tiara's session was the second strongest after Gura
>>5867554
I really doubt that they're going to change the timeslot.
This one is already pushing it for Kiara and Ina has her Priestess duties later on.

>>5867754
Not really, probably just NPCs hanging out at the bar

>>5867754
>I mean, is it normal for players to bring their own party to "the" party?
Not generally, but it is normal in games like WoD or shadowrun to have an extended cast of 'supporting' characters, contacts, etc.

>>5867568
>Would you still impregnate her knowing that she is?
that makes it better

>>5862430
It wasn't terrible but it was definitely the worst one so far.

>>5866944
Yeah, you know how Gura was rolling multiple times to force the pick and shiv? With cold iron forging each roll represents an entire days worth of work.
It's a lot of hard work

>>5867568
And her sister, yes.

>>5867568
Don't care. Mating press and impregnate Scout.

>>5867778
Honestly I just hope it moves to weekends. Would make it reasonable to catch for most of the world then.

>>5867754
Little sis will probably hang around but Nice would probably just go live with his parents

>>5867754
Wasn't the doctor originally just a glorified extra with one scene? I guess Gura and Calli really fleshed him out so that chat and fanartists really got invested.

>>5867754
I think they're just be there hanging around, doc being doc doing doctors job and Scout could probably force her sister to go to school or something so she'll be busy.

>>5867778
Thanks fren, I'll catch on it later then.

>>5868022
I think most STs would probably take the more lenient interpretation of cold iron, where like "cold steel" and "cold cash" the adjective just means "unemotional" or "badass" and can be forged by normal iron forging processes as long as it doesn't make steel. With the party being so heavy into crafting and Gura's character in particular being a skilled crafter, Calli might be more stringent on what "cold iron" requires. Yeah, I can see her saying that cold iron requires the iron being worked cold.

>>5868184
*they'll just be there

>>5867732
Based

>two weeks break

>>5867754
I doubt Nice is going to work with them. He was there purposely to investigate the missing old people happening, he left as soon as the mystery was solved. He's obviously working for something, someone, or somewhat.

>>5867754
In Chronicles of Darkness it's decently common for you to have family members/connections/whatever, to the point where CoD 2e Werewolf's character creation involves a second step, where you make a wolf-blood pack members, then a third step where you make a bunch of human pack members, then a fourth step where you all get together and make a pack totem.

>>5863635
A good GM knows how to shift spotlight time onto each of their players

>>5868144
>>5864802

>>5861745
Kiara did a very good job at actually being in character and doing/not doing things because her character (and not herself irl) would do things. This is hard for new players, and I expect everyone to slip into their irl personas once they start playing in earnest.
Ina was also good at this but she did the annoying "my character will now ignore the plot hook" thing not once, not twice, but for the whole session to the point where Mori probably googled "world of darkness hook" and retconned a True Fae into the campaign. While very funny at first this also means Mori will have to introduce a bunch of important concepts later or with another character. Very solid session zero though.
Gura is a blatant idealized self insert in the form of winry from fma so she probably had the most fun with the character and it shows in her interactions. She also probably had ttrpgs in her bucket list of nerd things to do.
Watson got too much into the roleplaying aspect of it, which is good, but also forgot that her character is nasty as shit and intentionally made to unpleasant to be around, so if you roleplay an unpleasant character you become unpleasant yourself. If she had had more time ooc it wouldve been better for for her, her character, and the session itself. I dont think Mori really explained that you dont have to be on character all the time, ooc is and should be the natural state of the room unless you're directly talking to people or actually playing.

All in all all of them are good, Gura was the best, Kiara second, Yuul's was funny but there's a limit to how many plot hooks you can cram in a session.

>>5868226
It sets up for some nice dramatic tension if it has to be worked cold. A fae threat hunting the hunters who have to distract it for a week for the blacksmith to make weapons for everyone.

>>5868382
It all depends on if this experience pushes him to become a hunter as well

>>5868144
That’s the beauty of a well run campaign. Dude didn’t exist until Gura decided to go bully him and now he has fanart. Also he’s a rural doctor who should really be at least passable with almost all fields of medicine including basic trauma management and has a college/med school education. He’s a convenient way for Mori to patch up the crew between sessions and serve as an out of combat resource but he’s not really part of the party. If asked to go exterminate a nest of vampires he would just say “fuck no but good luck”.

>>5855869
if your priority is comedy then it was 10/10
if you care about the player letting the GM and chat make some decisions then it's 8/10
if you like bacon it's 11/10
if you care about serious rp then it's 7.5/10

>>5868538
He seems to be innately curious from how Calli had him encourage Scout to seek out answers. He has that Hunter spark within him

>>5855834
weird prediction I have:
>Scout's prologue will be "retconned" as to having taken place before everyone else's chronologically, so she's going to already be at the bar with Doctor Nice and meeting Vic
>Nice will patch up Yuul.

>>5862430
People jus thate Watoto because it isn't fuckable, all this board is about masturbating to some anime girl and Watoto is neither hot nor a girl.

>>5869057
Based Ame, fuck coomers. TTRPGs are for roleplaying fun fantastical characters.

>>5868384
Mages usually cut off their families though, in both versions of the game. It's mandatory for Technocrats, can't have the Traditions taking a parent or lover hostage.

>>5868958
It's not that weird. It's probably fairly likely.

>>5868958
It's not weird. Right now, Tiara and Scout are contesting for "first arrival" award. Yuul is 3rd, Watoto is 4th.

>>5868958
Scout has Medicine 3. She can probably treat Yuul herself

>>5869057
Couldn't give less of a shit honestly. I just want him to speak in more than 3-word increments.

>>5868958
There is no temporal "canon" yet besides Watoto and Yuul being the same night

>>5869420
Honestly i don't know why she put 3 dots there, it doesn't really fit the character at all.
Should have rather put some in athletics or stealth

>>5869471
she probably saw Ina's session and got spooked

>>5861745
Kiara and Ame suffered the hardest from misunderstood expectations. Both of them clearly seemed to initially assume that they were playing D&D-but-modern-day, since Kiara basically tried to make a D&D-ranger-but-modern (guns instead of bows, animal companion, speaks with animals) and Ame basically made a greentext D&D meme character. Kiara recovered more quickly and got into the flow of things easily enough, but Watson clearly thought her mushrooms were actually magic, and didn't really seem to "get" that she was supposed to be a pure mundane or how Out of Character works. Outside of that, they both did fine since Kiara's concept modernizes trivially and Ame's good about picking up plot hooks. Good at the actual RP though, so I definitely wouldn't call it bad. Kiara was also held back a bit by the fact that Calli was rustiest for hers.

Ina's and Gura's were a lot stronger, since both of them went in with assumptions closer to the actual setting, and their self-insert bits were... basically valid CoD characters while giving them a solid RP base to play with. Gura was a lot more eager to push forward and bite plot hooks than Ina was, but they both RPd really well and didn't have incorrect assumptions tripping them up. Gura also had the advantage of having watched the other girls streams and of Mori having had time to remind herself how the system worked, so when she played, she was able to hit the ground running.

In terms of ranking, I'd personally put it as Gura>Ina>Kiara>Ame, but I'd blame a lot of that on just incorrect underlying assumptions. They're all players I'd be happy running for, but for the latter two, I'd have taken a few minutes out of the game to double-check their assumptions, though I'm nowhere near as good a GM as Calli is, and her just running with it seemed to work out pretty well for her.

>>5869513
>didnt put points in athletics instead
she got spooked for the wrong thing

>>5869513
Gura's character does come off as her attempt to try to fill in some missing niches in the group while still roleplaying her ideal young adulthood.

>>5869554
good point, unless she is confident in using her willpower in comparison to Ina

>>5869471
Can't move a dot to another category, would have to go into Investigation or something

>>5869471
She can't. Those are Physical skills and Medicine is a mental skill. Scout already maxed out on Physical skills. One dot would make sense for her representing her how she can treat injuries in the farm. Maybe shift the rest of the dots into occult or possibly space her 7 dots in mental skill with her 4 dots in social skills

>>5869057
Nah Watoto is just annoying. He's like some meme character from a funny story about DnD session going wrong.

>>5869545
I don't really think that Kiara had a lot of wrong assumptions over the setting, if you relisten to her characters backstory it is basically completely mundane and the "talking to animals" only really came up during the chargen when it came to specialisations.
What I'd say though is that she probably expected it to be closer to D&D in how a given session is run.

>>5869545
Good writeup, I agree with all of your points. The good thing is it seems like Mori is talking with them all off stream to better set expectations and offer advice.

>>5869471
She takes care of animals on a farm. It makes sense.

>>5869545
People really seem to ignore how much Mori improved going from session to session in how to handle new players.

>>5868464
Ina didn't really ignore the plot hooks, she just bit on the first one, and then Calli decided to show off the other plotline she set up anyway, and the dice wouldn't let Ina get back on track.

>>5869806
Yeah, fair, Kiara's "DnD But Modern Day" expectations seemed to be more in /tone/, while Ame's seemed to be in both setting and tone, agreed. I still feel the expectations tripped her up though.

>>5869862
She 0 dots in animal ken

>>5867568
Incest makes it better

>>5869806
She probably thought it's horror Harry Potter. Which is not that far away from the truth.

>>5869868
>how much Mori improved going from session to session
The way she laid things out for Gura was ten times better than for anyone else, at least.

>>5869545
I see Kiara's talking to animals bit the same way Shaggy could talk to Scooby. Her Animal Ken is pretty much near supernatural with regards to birds anyway

>>5869893
That's more about understanding and training animals. Seems different than just caring about pigs you then slaughter.

3 dots still seem too high, she should have maybe 2 there and put that one left in something else.

>>5869868
Yeah, she played before but she's probably super green as a GM. She's way better in just 4 mini sessions.

>>5867754
It's normal. In fact, it is common in WOD to have a very, very long list of known, unique supporting characters/antagonists due to the amount of politicking that can happen in the small communities of the splats where everyone has to play nice and hide their true nature from the rest of humanity together.
For example, DaveB's Soul Cages chronicle, one of the most well-known Mage: The Awakening Actual Plays (game written down in semi-story form) has at least 127 unique, fleshed-out NPCs with their own stat sheets, backstories, rivalries and interactions, not counting nameless mooks. In any given scene, it can be extremely odd for there not to be at least an NPC or two on the players' side.
Despite this, obviously the Storyteller must refrain from having them become GMPCs and accidentally driving the story for the players.

>>5868545
Depending on the time they arrive at the bar, Nice might walk into Yuul who's half-dead and Tiara with her bullet wound. His skills become useful immediately and it also explains how Yuul is ready for more adventures without months of recovery.

I wonder how are they supposed to work as hunters now. All of them have their own plot that seems not really connected with the rest. Kiara is pretty obvious with brother and pendant, but others are just randos who encountered supernatural by chance.

>>5869868
Yeah, I feel that it definitely helped contribute to the relative strength of the later session/sessions. Calli was carrying a lot and smoothing over a lot of the problems, and as she got more back into the flow of things and less rusty, it got easier for her and smoother, and she remembered/picked up from comments/refined more tricks and tips for the players conveniences.

>>5870034
Rangers had Wild Empathy is 3.5, not sure about 5e, but it was definitely the archetype it felt like she was trying to lean into. Though I was actually talking more about it felt like she initially walked in/built her character expecting an action movie and only belatedly realized it was actually a horror flick. She rolled with the punches really well though.

>>5870097
Not super green, but super rusty. You can tell she has a ton of experience with how quick she can think on her feet but the mechanics were an absolute mess at the start and gradually smoothed out

>>5856277
It can totally be done with stock images and music like what Mori did for the preludes but in general no indie is even approach HoloEN numbers and attention.

>>5869797
t, pentex

>>5870346
Not!J-chad is probably gonna give them the gist of what the situation in Mythton is before each of the party members shares their individual experiences. With how things are set up, I wouldn't be surprised if it was one session per one tutorial plotline.

>>5870097
She used to be a forever ST back in her previous identity, and you can tell. A newbie GM doesn't learn that fast - that's the sign of a forever GM who just needs to review a bit.

>>5870385
Talking about stuff like perception checks and meme critical fails seems like something she got form a bad GM. I really doubt she was a GM often.

>>5869868
She very likely doesn't have experience with new players specifically. From what she said about her past experiences, it sounded like she played with more or less same group first as player and then as GM so everyone already knew most things. She's adapting very fast and it shows with how good Gura's session was despite relatively little prep work. Can't wait for full session.

>>5870460
>A newbie GM doesn't learn that fast

Nah, this is pretty normal. My first sessions were about the same level. A friend of mine who was a GM like 3 times in his life wasn't worse either.

>>5870586
She just mentioned in her current stream she had a large group of her friends she always played WoD with that had two GMs. She said one of them was super mechanics-based and the other was super character and plot-focused and that she was inspired by the latter in particular.

>>5870586
She seems to have played back in OWoD, when the stupid critical failures , shifting target numbers, etc, were actual things. And some people just... say "make a perception check".

>>5855834
>Still nothing but Yuul fanart on the mythbreakers twitter tag
You know, I finally understand that dude that had such a grudge for Ina's shit character, to the point of spamming.
I sort of got why Tiara didn't get art and maybe Watoto, but the fact that there is still nothing of quality for Scout despite being by far the most fleshed out character with the best roleplayed campaign speaks volumes.

>>5870717
Scout was designed in a member stream and had her public debut less than 24 hours ago, calm down. It'll come.

>>5868464
>but for the whole session to the point where Mori probably googled "world of darkness hook" and retconned a True Fae into the campaign
Mori mentioned she wanted to have one of them go against a true fae because she did in her very first session of WoD. She did say that the party scene meandered a ton though and there was more planned for the lab and her professor that got cut.

>>5869471
>>5869862
For a roleplay reason, she could have had a lot of practice with farming-related accidents like getting a hand caught in the equipment, or patching up her sister

>>5870753
>It'll come.
Its been two days, bro
Its not happening, we got a shit ton of quality stuff for Yuul in a matter of hours, even Watoto got some despite not even having a "canon" design.

>>5870717
Kiara's basically just playing as her hololive character, I guess it's just not as interesting to people.

>>5870717
>still nothing of quality for Scout

>>5870896
I think she did that on accident. iirc she wanted Tiara to be a lot more reserved but gung-ho chicken ended up motivating most of her decisions and interactions.

>>5870965
I more meant design-wise, though I haven't seen Kiara's actual drawing of her character, only some fanart.

Ina & Gura are playing characters fairly different from their Holo designs so it's something new for people to hook on to.

Watoto is playing a goblin and worse, a m*le, so he's got a major debuff for fanart, but he's also a meme character so maybe it cancels out.

>>5870717
Scout just appeared, she will have fanart. Kiara still has no official design.

>>5866841
Isn't Gura already the main character of HoloEN?

Someone explain to me difference between WOD and D&D, I keep seeing this fucking "hurr they thought it was just D&D" what the fuck does this MEAN

>>5871034
you forgot your image

>>5871034
Ame notwithstanding, Kiara's the only one without a concrete design because she did hers in a member stream and hasn't released the finished version yet. Theoretically it should exist but either it was in such a state there wasn't much to go off of or KFP won't leak it. Conversely, chumbuds were just so eager they didn't have any qualms with leaking Scout beforehand.

>>5870956
>That pic
I stand by my comment
This shit was done minutes after Ina's session

>>5871120
dnd is medieval fantasy, wod is modern

>>5871120
D&D is generic swords and orcs medieval fantasy. WoD is basically Type Moon.

>>5871143
It was actually pretty good and it has been leaked, but she specifically didn't release it because she wasn't sure what to do with things like hair color since she felt pressured by all the fanart up to that point being based on their models.

>>5871158
>You run him over
>Is he okay?

>>5871120
Different systems from different companies meant for different types of stories that use different resolution mechanics with different dice

It really is nothing buy Yuul in the tag, what the fuck is that about?

>>5871300
check latest instead of top

>>5871143
It's pretty much just Kiara with an owl, don't expect anything.
The dumb bitch had some schizo delusions about how her genmates were just gonna draw themselves in fancy outifts so she "didn't want to stand out" by making a unique design, and just made her Kiara with owl and guns.

Now she's the only one who stands out because she's the only one who literally just copypasted her own design.
Good job fucktard chicken.

>>5871300
what was the art hashtag again?

I won't accept any depiction of Watoto as anything but a giant mushroom with arms and legs and Ame's mustache.

>>5871300
>first one with actual design
>character designed and drawn by a real artist
>entertaining concept

It's a mystery.

>>5871438
#MythBreakers

Watoto is going to die and second campaign will introduce like 2 new characters. Probably from ID or EN2.

>>5871505
Its been more than a day since Scout debuted, bro, there should be something good by now, but NOPE

>>5871505
Also:
>Player's fanbase has higher concentration of artists than any of other four

>>5871540
Prior to the preludes I kinda figured Kiara or Gura would be the likeliest candidates to drop after season 1 but now I think if anyone it'd probably be Ame just because of her social anxieties. I'll wait to see how things go with a full party though, it's a lot harder to roleplay solo with no one to bounce off of and share energy.

>>5870717
Ina is an artist after all, so she attracts fans that are artists as well. So it's not really surprising that she gets the highest quality fan art first

>>5863856
>>5863658
She could have gotten the 2e manuscript, or just actually stuck with 1e.

>>5871754
I thought it was gonna be Ame since Day 1. She admitted to being apprehensive about roleplaying and even said she thought it was cringe at one point. And just knowing her personality and how she is during collabs, it didn't come as a surprise at all how she ended up being a dead fish, intentional or not. /vt/ is pretty much /ameg/ and I try to give teamates the benefit of the doubt, but I can't help but be amused that anyone is surprised or thought it would turn out differently.

>>5872140
I don't watch Ame as much anymore, so I just assumed based on all her weirder/goofier streams early on like the Halloween stream or the date RP she'd be more in her element.

>>5871120
Besides the setting difference, D&D is very combat-focused and from 3.5 onwards is built around the combat grid, which means things like ability AOE, range, etc, matter a lot. There are hard, clear rules governing whether something you do in combat is possible or not. Combat is frequent and expected.
On the other hand, with WOD, social interactions, negotiation and the like play a massively bigger role, and combat is much rarer and much more serious, in part due to the Morality systems. One might kill more people in their first three DnD sessions than in an entire WOD campaign.
Of course, you can force any kind of game in any system, but by default that DnD appeals to the standard dungeon-delving, murder-everything style of game, and WOD appeals more to the talk-things-out style of game.

>>5863498
CofD rules don't work like that for damage bonuses, they don't add dice to attack rolls. +2 is 2 auto-successes after you hit, so it always does at least 3L.+2 on a melee weapon is great for base stats though. Only a couple of things higher than that. I haven't seen the session yet but it would count as cold iron if it was hand-forged from mostly pure iron, and no machinery, mass-production, casting, or magic were involved. Steel, while having higher iron content than most iron, isn't iron conceptually though and doesn't count.

>>5863742
>>5866849
>>5866944
>>5868022
>>5868226
Cold iron is simply hand-forged mostly pure iron. Temperature does not play a role despite the name. You also can't cast it, produce it on a mass-scale, use magic, or anything else like that. That's all it takes RAW though, so it's not complicated to do it's just rare because it's not often done anymore. Iron is also more conceptual than chemical, steel might be mostly iron but it's conceptually steel. The fae are creatures of story and myth, not of science, so they don't care about stuff like that.

Regular iron is bad for fae creatures too, it's just not a agg damage dealing frailty that bypasses armour. But what regular iron ignores is fae-born defences and their magic and defences. So if they invoke a Contract to gain more armour or defence an iron weapon ignores those bonuses.

>>5872140
Besides western JP fans, teamates are probably the only EN fanbase that doesnt 'consume' their oshi as in actually watching every stream instead of shitposting everywhere.
Teamates being surprised at something amelia does is the norm. There's teamates that still ask why she wanted to drop gurame and she's talked about it several times. Amelia being nervous at roleplaying and not wanting to be cringy was obvious because : a) she thinks roleplaying is cringy, b) she's terminally shy when put in the spotlight, c) hates being the center of attention.
This is obvious for everyone that watches her.

>>5864476
Oh meant to include you here >>5872544 CofD is pretty clear about what makes cold iron cold iron. Also forgot to include the screenshot.

>>5868384
Uratha packs aren't all that common though, especially not Forsaken ones, most humans in a pack don't even know what the pack is even about too.

>>5872703
I was going off the wiki

>>5871120
By default, D&D is oriented towards being an adventurer out to save the world by stabbing bad things until they die, like they're in Lord of the Rings, and delving into dungeons full of traps, monsters, and treasure, breaking the traps, killing the monsters, stealing the treasure, selling it back in town, and then repeating. The system is built around doing that, and that's what it does best. You get better at doing those things as you level up, and you do those things in order to get levels - you gain XP by completing challenges/killing monsters, and succeed by having HP leftover.

WoD is more like improv acting as either the protagonist or an antagonist of a modern day horror story. It's about getting into fights with your supposed allies over petty reasons like them poaching some of your stuff, about fighting your instinct to be a terrible person, failing, and being a terrible person, and about poking around in the darkness then running away screaming because the night is dark and full of terrors, and sure, you're one of them, but there's even more terrifying things out there that are going to eat your face so you go back to picking on the hapless mortals to make yourself feel better. The XP system revolves around doing that, and your powers and stuff revolve around that - you get XP by transgressing morality, by fucking up dramatically, by accomplishing personal goals, and by poking around at things you shouldn't be, and lose by running out of life, or by becoming a monster with no semblance of humanity.

>>5868040
Dude.... Her sister is underaged.

>>5871120
WOD is a narrative focused RPG game and DnD is a mechanics-focused RPG game.
Its not about the combat OR the social actions in either, its about whether or not the DM is "encouraged" to ask you to throw dice to do an action. Some places call it "description based", which is also good because thats the point. In a narrative game you tell your story and the dice are the arbiter of whether or not it happens as you say or it backfires, you even have mechanics to overrule the dice or even the DM (usually in the form of "yes,but..." additions).
DnD has dice first and narrative second. You TRY to do an action. Can you? We both throw our dice to see if you succeed. Narrative, what you do with the action, what happens,... happens later. Dice are more important than narrative.

Obviously one system works best for combat since combat requires mechanics, life points,... and fighting in narrative always sounds like bullshit to the losing side, its basically a playground magic fight. Narrative works better for "non-action" portions of the story where dice are just kind of sitting there. But this is not to say narrative combat is or mechanical socialization is bad. Both have pros and cons and you need to choose the right system for the right campaign.
DnD is the usual go-to since it was the first TTRPG, and a lot of people resent its status as the most important and most played rpg because they believe other systems are objectively superior and DnD is just a dungeon crawler, pen and paper world of warcraft. Most of it is hisperism though, you see that a lot.

>>5870404
Creating a novel setting and scenarios for four newbies then creating assets (music art backgrounds etc) for all of them is a massive amount of work. A lot of GMs burn out creating new content for their players. Finding a good indie gm with a Good group of regular players is a Herculean task honestly. It’s massively more work than being a player but I would argue it’s also massively satisfying when you create and execute a great campaign.

>>5867520
Vampires will differ based on blood potency but as a rule of thumb experienced ones are pretty crazy by human standards, though still relatively fragile for supernatural stuff and only somewhat bulletproof. Celerity is fast enough to make them a bitch to hit though.

>>5872848
What I posted is how it works in CtL 2e. It's also how it works in CtL 1e. What you're looking at on the Steel Mastery page is a little different. That's talking about 1e's "hand-forged iron" which is a specific thing that works like 2e's cold iron but isn't the same as 1e's cold iron. Hand-worked iron requires it be made without being heated by man, which means the only way to get it is through meteoric iron. This is only talked about in a supplement in any detail, the core book sort of mentions it but not in a way that makes a huge deal of sense. It's also, generally, really dumb.

>>5867520
What does "full twilight" mean in this context?

>>5872703
One caveat, Perfected Iron (Siderite) also counts as cold iron, despite being created by magic.
Perfected Materials always count as something's bane. Such as a spirit that has a bane of "The tears of the innocent betrayed by their masters," will be affected by Perfected Water all the same

>>5873140
Yeah, I know it's great

>>5872359
Wait a minute. I know oWOD was separate hit and damage. Thought nWOD was weapon bonus to hit dice pool and add successes to damage, no separate damage roll. Did COD change it again? Because it seems like Mori is using nWOD? Man there are too many confusingly named products in this line.

>>5873858
In Chronicles, you roll attack, and leftover successes + weapon's damage stat turn into damage, yes.

>>5873858
CofD (nWoD 2e(Paradox made them rebrand(Should have been this from the start thooo))) changed it, and she said she switched to CofD rules at the start of Ina's stream. I haven't seen the session yet, like I said, but damage bonus is a bonus to damage, not dice pool, in CofD. In oWoD there was a seperate damage roll, CofD doesn't have that though. It's just Stat + Skill - Defence (+/- other shit) with damage equally your successes plus your weapon damage (and other shit.)

>Hunter the Vigil 2e coming out in 2022
So uhm...what the fuck. I'll just play 1e I guess.

>>5874076
The back copy will be out next month, almost assuredly

>>5874076
You can find the 2e backer manuscript/draft/whatever on the /tg/ chronicles thread.

So, new thread? There's no session next week.

>>5873673
Sure, but that's not super relevant. Or even really a caveat to what cold iron is. It's a caveat to what counts as a fae frailty.

>>5874076
You can find the 2e manuscript, and the back copy of 2e when it's out (won't be long), here.
>r3br@nd <dot> ly /WOD-CODpt1
>r3br@nd <dot> ly /WOD-CODpt2
>r3br@nd <dot> ly /WOD-CODpt3
replace the "3" with an "e", the "@" with an "a", the "<dot>" with a ".", remove all the spaces and it's case sensitive.
Hunter is in pt1, Chronicles of Darkness in in pt2. You don't need the core CofD book to play 2e but it's more usable than a manuscript, the core rules are all the same, and it has more options and better explanations of some stuff.

>>5874212
Probably should just wait then. Or we can have CofDanon come and duke it out with OWoDanons

>>5873673
Man, Mage Bullshit shouldn't be taken as a standard for anything, they're Mages, they do bullshit.

>>5874327
There's always room for mage discussion.

Huh so does CoD have actual rules for masterwork crafting? A skilled smith making using magical materials to make a gift for her father getting seven successes seems like a perfectly reasonable method of making a kickass weapon. But does a +1 sword have a standard meaning like in D&D? Or is it house ruled? If I recall Mori explicitly said the bonus was for combat and wouldn’t make it easier to climb out of a well, which seemed reasonable

>>5874567
It has rules for creating equipment, yeah. Basically, when you make an item that's better than normal, you take a "Build Equipment" action, which lets you roll against your dice pool to create an item. The exact mechanics aren't exactly how Mori did it, but the idea of "I build a tool which gives me a +X to a specific type of roll" is within the boundaries of normal stuff the character can make, you just normally take a penalty equal to the intended equipment bonus instead of rolling and finding the equipment bonus based on successes, which IIRC is how Mori did it?

>>5874226
>Sure, but that's not super relevant.
Only mentioned it because a lot of people think Scout's pickaxe and shiv are made of perfected iron and there is a known fae about.

>>5874865
Oh, I haven't seen the session yet. That's a super fucking weird thing to introduce if it is.

>>5855869
>>5856073
Gura's cringe childhood rp she use to do finally paid off.

>Scout's Ma and Pa vanished without any physical evidence that they left
>Pa broke down and muttered "What have I done...?" once the "super pure" metal he had collected broke down into meat dust
So at least Pa is a Mage right? Ma might be one too?

>>5874865
>Siderite is Perfected iron or steel. Unlustrous, siderite appears the same as normal worked iron. It is the hardest and strongest of all the Perfected metals and always holds an edge that never dulls. It can cut through diamonds, the finest mundane steel, and even Kassiterum. Siderite is so strong it cannot be melted, even with magical heat. It must be hammered into a desired shape through heating and cooling. As iron is associated with the Realm of Pandemonium, so is siderite. Siderite offers a +2 tool Yantra to spells concerning strengthening or protecting materials. It can cut through anything, ignoring the Durability of an object.

Pretty sure Scout would have realized something was off about the shiv the instant she angled it wrong on a table and it sliced the corner clean off.

>>5875160
>Pretty sure Scout would have realized something was off about the shiv the instant she angled it wrong on a table and it sliced the corner clean off.
Maybe she would have if she had done anything with the shiv besides stab the wall, which it went clean through. Although that might be because the wall was flesh

>>5873140
Yeah, exactly. Imagine her tiny, frail form sitting on top of you unable to control herself, or gasping at the difference in size vs the available space. Disgusting.