/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQgA-_QvzwE
Riyuri Genchink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iLeE4KjzGg
Naka Parasocial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6DP4A_fxo4
Wait, is Tana the first monetized jkt48v member? But didn't she streams the least from all 3?

>>58208384
maybe management decision?
ANYWAY, JURUS TELEPOT!!!
meen i love my jawir women

Demita continues her Armored Core journey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNtfzNP-CuI
Kinda curious, why there's no local corpo chuuba that play this game? The only one did it that I can think of is Rai. Does mecha filters too strong, even for a meta game rn?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHBYeT20yuc
Laras New Model Reveal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4CXJpHqSyQ
Reru R6S
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOx4Jq5Ub7k
Velary Food Review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guwlIMmV5OE
Seiso Echi
Happy 1st anniv Naya!

>>58210799
>Happy 1st anniv Naya!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXkYSKxdDmI
I forgor the link again lemao

>>58208384
pia the first in the schedule, but for some reason she can't stream at that day, so the stream diundur

kana 2nd, but i don't know

and the last is tana today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgwlzrjXcZg
Kana QnA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJd9oTjitmc
Devi Got Talent

Just want to remind that we're the most polite, civilized, and smartest community.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP5vZwsLWXE&pp=ygULZWlrbyB2dHViZXI%3D
Eiko Donathon Continues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azngs04GcW0
Ooh, Miti invaded this balorant stream

>>58213165
stop spamming this

>>58200625
its already been confirmed a few members of exid and holoid have hung out irl so they wouldnt need to be starid to fuck holoid if they really wanted
>>58200515
this thread has rapidly declined in quality in recent weeks
>>58203472
>maybe a handful of Indonesians who are aware of 4chan
maybe normie indonesians but if youre into vtubers you know about this place
>>58213990
id prefer him spamming that then the constant nijiseeth and its equivalents

>>58214231
the word nijiseethe and sisters lost all meaning to me

>>58216075
Aah, Nurul Patricia from AnalogueLock

so guys, what do you think about RaGluss?
i miss all of their debut so i don't have any opinion

>>58218242
Ngl, I thought that Raden one is Indo

>>58218541
There seems to be two non Japanese natives there so we might see an Indonesian in the future

>>58218541
as in Raden ningrat? i never look her name carefully, at first i thought her name was Raiden lol

already hear their first cover except Ao, i think kanade & hajime is better singer, raden comes after them, and then ririka
king? in this year? without pulling any trick?
not gonna beat Risu or Gura&Mori vers

bump

>>58209495
Price debuff mayhaps? How expensive was it again?

>>58217246
kek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUyFAbDFj2o
Gema Deep Talk n Sing

> sundul tengah malam
good rest to you all

kek, kobo now chasing that sweet sweet EN money

>>58228905
can't blame her really, her attempt on focusing local only met with doxx of her and her entire family, probably after the incident her discussion with cover and mchan is to stream in en sometimes to get holobox and weed the bocil out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFet4Yt6ZGM
Nym Baldur Gate 3

>>58214231
>but if youre into vtubers you know about this place
Even so, it's either people who think /vt/ is a poster child of antis or people who think the same but secretly browse it. Oh, and maybe legitimate antis and shitposters.

sundul page 9

https://twitter.com/nhk_vtuberradio/status/1700877034396733486

Just for information, Perse/warkop/ currently hold some records on /vt/ League so far.

>Most Shots on Target - 14 shots, vs. /aa+corpo/, VTL4
>Most Goal Scored in a League - Kobo Tempest with 14 goals on VTL3
>Most Goals Scored in a Group Stage - Kobo Tempest with 10 goals on VTL3 Group Stage
>Fewest Goals Against - 4 goals on VTL4 over 4 games
>Most Consecutive Games without Conceding a Goal - 2 games on VTL4 Group Stage (against /wvt/ [2-0] and /vsj+/ [2-0])

Also,
>Loli Miti (Mythia Batford) scored 1000th /vt/ League goals in the match against /HiRyS/ (4-3 win) in /vt/ League Round of 16

> sundul subuh
good morning to you all

https://www.twitch.tv/elainecelestia
Echi Genchink

>>58210799
I just saw the Laras new model reveal. Damn, that voice reminds me of someone

>>58228905
>streams in English
>low CCV
>less SCs than her ID stream
Kobo is clearly not the brightest person

sundulan pagi lagi

>>58222579
599k, pretty standard for AAA games

>>58240627
but she said "Let me be your sun to shine your day"
she must be bright enough to do it

Hiragi-san, NO!

>>58247794
Ojisan, yamete!

>>58208384
How much did she get?

>>58250633

>>58251255
Is this amount good?

>>58253659
Oh sorry, wrong stream

>>58250633
>1.4jt
here bonus
>total trakteer
>419 mie pedes =4.910.000

>>58247794
this is a joke right? a funny-haha ojisans roleplay right??

btw, just watching gura outfit reveal, and daaamn her viewers fall soo much
seems like alot of chumbuds got really tired of her bs

>>58255430
Off course it is.

>>58256074
but what if kobo really invite hiragi san to her hotel??? we will never know
and the next thing we know, kobo will have 9month hiatus because tummy hurts

>>58222579
Actually, that kinda makes sense. We missed so much AAA meta gaming contents (Baldur's Gate 3, Starfield, Armored Core VI), just because the price is over than IDR 200k or whatever local corpo chuubas are willing to pay. It also doesn't help that some of them aren't really keen to play AAA games

BUMP DIKALA NGANTOR

Gebi morning freetalk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnh--6N0_HY

>>58233267
>No new records has been made in current season
Wow, one might say that this season is the worst performance from Perse/warkop/

>>58255116
Not bad at all for an emerging chuuba imo

tono only planned 3 stream this week
why tono, whyyy

new drop
https://litter.catbox.moe/c7zt0c.png

>>58268370
sex with me

>>58255116
No wonder Nijisanji left us.
One Kaela fart is all it takes to get 10x this amount.

>>58268370
Dead. On. Arrival.
How can you grow your fanbase when there are only 3 of you in a gen and yet you can afford to stream only thrice in a week. Not to mention JKT48 fans are a bit wary to you taking more of company's resources.

>>58268370
>corpo chuuba now MUALAAS
>indie doesn't stream all that much
my stream frequency meter is currently broken
is this a good number of stream or not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb5BK_smtwI
Zoey ASMR

>>58270658
Only Holos can get away with a sporadic streaming schedule like this.

Indonesian economy is booming amidst the global economic slowdown. It's worth more to work outside than to work on the internet. Currently you get more money selling street food than streaming. Expect more ID chuuba to reduce their streaming frequency.

just saw this on my TL, real uooh ToT

>>58271754
Eewwww

>>58271754
shes not a potato though?

>>58271754
Uh... This girl is most likely will break the containment if she knows about this place. Two literal underage players in the squad are too many for /warkop/...

>>58271754
Time to do some.........research

>>58268370
Holy fuck this is pathetic
>>58270449
Hopefully they debut a new gen soon. Their mindshare will deteriorate if they dont

>>58271754
this legit made me question things
se nyantai itukah anak smp/sma sekarang?
sampai bisa pursuing vtuber even tho as hobby?
back in my days, i was always busy with bimbel and extra class, the only free time i had was 2-3hours gap between bimbel and school, and i would rather play games on warnet rather than pleasing online freaks

>>58271451
Meanwhile kaela earning 1.5 billion in less than 2 years

>>58271754
Yah, digembok. Ini entah beneran bocah ato mbak-mbak RP dah?

https://youtu.be/BH3i6I6iMt0?si=h-t_9yZe_Ze9Eiuu
Twitter diggers, could you help me out? That clip comment section says that there's a pemaloe from JP who flies to Surabaya for Kaela, could you find out who tweeted that ?

>>58271190
but ain't rememo also has similar schedule

>>58271754
There's no way right ?

>>58275007
Risu stop being a lazy cunt

>>58272675
Eh, it really depends on the parents. You have to pay for the cram school, after all.
>i would rather play games on warnet rather than pleasing online freaks
I want to know the psychology behind those VTubers (i.e. why they choose to become one, how their response to any sexual objectification and why they insist to keep going, etc.), especially female.

>>58272675
You guys have some lesson after school ?? How pathetic i only study at school do hw at school and somehow still got B+ - A for almost everything except math and fisika and score some good test score (sekolah swasta, dapet potongan, my mom is single mother and a teacher not on my school tho)

>>58272767
And to think /warkop/ was shitting on EN-lites
How the tables have turned rumao

https://youtu.be/8x9i5ksB10A?si=mgj4Uy_0OmRAsGa7
Fiona now liv!

>>58272767
After cover cut?

>>58276049
don't worry anon, in the end of the day, berpendidikan or not, we're still 4chan resident
degenerate but intelectual, i like it

>>58276848
Yes. Her channel has around 4.6 billion total. After YT's 33% cut and assuming 50-50 between Cover between Kaela, she has earnt 1.5 bil before taxes.

>>58276987
>intelectual
Learn to avoid replying to the bait first.

>>58277031
>she has earnt 1.5 bil before taxes
How to do tax for Kaela as a content creator, though?

>>58272767
Literally every single HoloID member made at least 1B IDR during their entire career

>>58277254
Kobo has not made 1B in terms of SC, but she probably did if we count merch and other donos

Is kaela the have the most gachikois or what ? I thought it was mooner or past ollie

>>58276315
This thread is incredibly nationalistic. This is a slap to the face kek

>>58277434
Cant donate if they dont stream. Also, Moona is kinda weird sometimes, like talking about supporting her even if she got BF. Meanwhile, ela openly reject homos.

>>58277527
She was talking about Rushia. In regards to herself she stated she won’t be able to make gachikois happy, so they can move on.

>>58277622
I'm pretty sure that was Suisei's statement, not Moona's

>>58277800
Moona said that later. Btw the screenshots you see on catalogue bait threads are only half of what she said.

>>58277207
Content creator usually treated as freelancer, so
((1.5B*50%)-54 millions)*5%
around 35 million for tax.

>>58277949
>Content creator usually treated as freelancer
But, she and others work for a foreign company, though? Are they still being counted as freelancers?
https://csiconsultant.co.id/dapat-cuan-dari-tiktok-begini-cara-hitung-pajak-untuk-content-creator/

>>58277949
oh sorry i made a mistake.
For earning around 500 mill - 5 bill, freelancer got taxed 30% so she needs to pay around 200millions.
If she's smart, she could use some tax consultant to help decrease the amount she needs to pay.

>>58278086
Yes, looking at your link she categorized as type 2

Meanwhile, im here earning like 5 juta a month...

>>58278144
Oh? I thought the girls were in the Type 1. I must have missed the memo.
Also... Yeah, Kaela and others definitely have to hire a tax consultant for each of them. Imagine paying the government for 200 million rupiahs.

>Kobo going back to holobox
damn i never thought this day will come
welp its not this too late to case after holobox or maybe management realize you only need 10-100 rich local gachi to sustain the local market and focusing more on international market.
probably manager saw how successful Kaela from the recent local event, even tho she is EN-Lite she still have huge fanbase in local event

>>58278609
ID have unique thing, subs + ccv from locals (sometimes the overproud - bocils, just look at how big id content creator-streamer ccv + subs, even bang jo(Jonathan liandi) regularly got 10k+ - 100k+ but the donateor tho, rata rata judol) and can pander to holobox gachis if money needed

STOP TALKING ABOUT TAX
you'd never know how i feel
after diligently paying tax and reporting it yearly
then the day after i submit my taxreport, Rafael & Mario case happened
fuck this country, fuck this gov, fuck everyone
fuck kobo, deidey, chloe, miti mita or whoever your oshi

>>58279129
Kys niji sister

>>58278609
>10-100 rich local gachi
pssttt you only really need 5-10

>>58272767
ain't that still comparable with local micropreneur assets after 2 years tho

>>58279129
>fuck kobo, deidey, chloe, miti mita
don't we all

>>58276315
Woah hold your horses. I think now that EN-lite Kaela makes more money than ID-only Kobo isn't the case of EN market vs ID market. It's more like Kobo keep shooting herself on the foot, like playing endless Valorant, collabing with males, covering very few songs despite her being the top singer of HoloID, etc.
While Kaela is using her strength (only need a few hours of sleep) to keep attracting new viewers by streaming in every timezones. And she knows that the Hololive fandom doesn't like males so she stay away from males. Kaela is definitely smarter in business than Kobo.
So this is not as simple as "hurr durr Kaela winning because she panders to EN". Because if we look at the other EN pandering HoloID like the entirety of Holoro, we can see that all of them being mogged by ID-only Kobo. So the most likely answer is the one above.

>>58279538
Interesting, Kaela is the first member of ID to value money and numbers over branch unity

>>58276315
>>58279538
I also remember how /warkop/ was shitting on unicorns and parasocial
How the table turns

>>58279129
The fuck are you talking about? You'd be surprised that even in Japan, Korea, or US of A the taxes are being misused too. A pramuka jamboree last month in Korea turned out to be a huge corruption scandal for example. A few months ago in Japan some bureaucrats were arrested for using the tax money to go to Hawaii. This all happens in supposed rich countries.
Sure Indonesia is worse, but so did those countries back when they were as poor as Indonesia. It's a phase.

>>58279129
>monthly salary is below taxable threshold
Should I kill myself?

You know these posts that compare holos' net worth with each other by their superchat income don't watch holos, right?
Like these n*j* fans would use superchat income as indicator for total wealth cause their oshis only get 2% money from other sources, right?
I mean real fans would know that superchat money is nothing for a holo that's why talents like Ina doesn't even do superchat reading, right?

>>58279992
wait a fucking minute, I won't accept this slander
Niji also only got 2% from their superchat

>>58279640
Spoken like a true nijinignog

>>58279538
>holoro
Ollie and Reine is the most and third most superchatted ID of all time respectively

>>58279226
how the fuck my rant to my country make me a nijisister what the fuck are you on???

>>58279438
some people don't want to fuck them anon, some chose exID, which is fine, but a bit weird

>>58279738
iam not surprised, iam just dissapointed because the news about those two fucktard only reaching to me the moment i submit my taxreport

>>58280040
That's only for merch

>>58279879
you should be gratefull in some ways
i guess?

>>58280091
oh shit sorry
forbidden knowledge
you don't read that

https://youtu.be/pKnOVxHFM6Q?si=rm7x5RuxNRuNy9Tp
Sudden Dina stream

>>58279399
Yeah, i think one of my acquaintance already getting more than that selling foods online when we on lockdown.

>>58279538
Anon, you forgot Ollie still held biggest supacha amount for now. And if you averaging their total supacha by stream numbers. Ollie and Kaela actually have pretty close numbers.
Sure, Kaela'll surpass Ollie number just from her sheer stream quantity.

>>58279685
I'm fine with parasocial actually. That's just how people are. As long as they self-aware of it, and keep it to acceptable level.

>>58279879
Nah, a lot of my neighbour earning is just around 2-3 mills a month and they still live decently, you are fine Anon.

>>58280058
Kaela already surpassed Reine anon,
it's Ollie->Kaela->Reine

>>58280085
>some people don't want to fuck them anon, some chose exID, which is fine, but a bit weird
As long as they want to fuck those who're alive, that's ogey, meanwhile some past thread anons wanted to fuck Miti on her deathbed which is.. I don't even know what to say..

>>58270060
>>58272767
>>58275007
>>58277031
>>58277207
>>58277434
>>58278342
>>58278609
>>58279538
>>58279640
>>58280175

If it's works, it's works. Thanks for the (you) btw

>>58280281
oshit abort abort

>>58280175
Kaela has to stream 4x more than the rest of ID to get those numbers though

>>58280518
But she got that amount in one and a half years.

Fun fact:fuwamoco and shiori already surpassed kaela
No one cares about kaela. Stop talking about her

>>58280758
but fuwamoco still need 120k to surpass kaela???

>>58272767
But she's among the top dogs in the ID market.
You see, the market for whatever Rich Brian is targeting is more lucrative than the market for Dangdut. But the top dogs in Dangdut still makes more money than the average rap singers. But if you're just an average Dangdut singer, you better work as TKI or a secretary or some other "real jobs".

>>58280726
What part of “4x” do you not understand

>>58279538
Also Kobo has already in decline since before Kaela inclined since earlier this year. She stopped growing ever since she collabed a lot with Holostars and there were some scandals last year.
Kobo being a regular <5k ccv has already been a thing since earlier this year, it's just a matter of time for someone to surpass her, Kaela just happen to take that spot right now.

>>58281182
Deserved. All homocollabers are destroying the hololive walled garden and needs to be destroyed.

>>58281248
See? This is the sort of audience Kaela is courting. She’s a liability.

>>58281248
Anon, please go outside and get a GF or wife while you are still young.

>>58281182
Kobo did EN only stream earlier and is now leeching off Kaela. How far she has fallen...

Get get get some help~

There is one more thing about Kobo and Kaela's financial situation that many people here forgot to include, which is project spending. Project like Orisong and Cover can cost a lot but have very little return. Kaela doesn't have a lot of these, but Kobo does. This widen their gap in financial even further.

Meanwhile the secret agent skilfully avoiding tribalfag attention

>>58279879
depends where you live, I live in small Kabupaten in Jatim and I make 3-5mils a month I feel like the 1% kek the best part I inherit my parents house and don't have debt with Bank.

>>58281747
Because no one care about her

>>58281747
Being primarily known as Axel's cumrag isn't really a good thing to have

>>58280221
speaking of miti.....

>>58282045
This is why unicorn schizo should go out and meet more people.
A Female talk, joking, and smile at you doesn't mean she want your dick anon.

>>58281747
>Kobo is ID vtuber with most subs and ccv
>Kaela is the ID vtuber with most SC and has long streaming hours
What's her achievement?

>>58281248
Ughhh, this is why i fucking hate unicorms. You guys are elitist and cringe and giving the girls restrictions and causing stress. I hope all hololive girls collab with the stars to piss all you fuckers. It's better for hololive to cut ties with your kind.

>>58282171
If you just want numberfagging then she got more SC than Kobo and more subs than Kaela.

You faggots are arguing about ccv and revenue of two vtubers who are both genmates and friends in real life. How pathetic can your lives be holy shit.

>>58279538
>covering very few songs despite her being the top singer of HoloID
I still remember her saying she will focus on music because she get burnout from streaming.
she mention that she want to make more cover/orisong but with bombastic MV she is perfectionist she don't want half assed MV but that's the problem good MV=big budget.
she don't have the budget for that, I wish Mchan let her take skincare sponsorship stream we already saw her body and arms anyway

>>58282346
> taking skincare sponsorship just because we saw her body and arms anyway
what kind of retardation is this ?

>>58282346
Bego amat sih lu

>>58282316
People will always tribalfagging anon. Just ignore them and move on. People with good lives won't linger too long in 4chan.


>>58282435
Anon this is English board, if you want to use Indo you can goes back to kikebook

>>58282435
Hello VPU vermin. Bored with your usual shithole?

>>58282400
>>58282435
kek found the tourist
go check your favorite clippers Kobo already said on stream she get offer from Scarlet cosmetics but her manager decline it.

>>58282100
If Simpthia OP is still here, I wonder what he'll say about this...

>>58282615
piece of shit retard. did you actually want kobo to show her body on stream ? there's a reason why Mchan rejected the idea retard. just because she show her body on stream once on accident she need to show herself once more. hey did your stupid brain getting fucked by stupid ? did you actually even know why Vtubing exist

>>58282615
>whitening cream
Tai.
Brown skin is the best.

>>58281182
>Also Kobo has already in decline since before Kaela inclined since earlier this year
>Kobo being a regular <5k ccv has already been a thing since earlier this year
Both of those already happened since her return from COVID back in October. Kobo has spent her time as a 5k streamer for almost a year now, I don't know why people are treating this as if it's a recent development.

>Every /ehe/, /v7/ and /gsh/ refugees are numberfagging /here/ instead of doing that in respective generals or /#/
Holy shit, just watch off-collab stream guys

>>58277527
Who says you can't donate if they don't stream?
If they have at least one of those waiting room streams, you can send superchats.
And there's superthanks for VODs (Lives, Videos, Shorts) but Moona disables it (it's enabled on my oshi channel).

>>58282466
>>58282532
>implying this thread quality is better than kikebook shithole
Both are shite

>>58282933
>there are no opposition in their respective threads
>numbers too low for /#/

reading comprehension

>>58282966
It's not about quality anon, it's about language.
Grammar error is fine, all of us ESL here. But he should at least try.

>>58282966
yeah because one 4chin general is absolutely on the same level as a congregation of potential rapists who would willingly show themselves stalking a chuuba's private property publicly

back to your dirty shithole VPU subhuman

is this why even /#/ hates us?

>>58283193
>congregation of potential rapists who would willingly show themselves stalking a chuuba's private property publicly
to be fair, we have those too
just not in /vt/

>>58283122
I find bad English grammar worse than someone using non-English language in a thread filled with their fellow countrymen

>>58283217
who cares about current /#/? they're just a bunch of pagpags and yuropoors baiting each other out with anything but numbers

>>58283217
/#/ hate everyone equally, especially to those who manipulated data and talk about data with no source
>>58283231
well it's not part of /vt/ then awanama, if it doesn't exist in /vt/

>>58283193
Whoa I can't believe they did that, do you have the link or is it archived in the wayback machine?

>>58283265
you can try to fit in or fuck off

>>58282761
calm down kid, which part where I say she need to show her body, I only said she already show her body.
she can do handstream skincare.
>but showing skin is again policy
wrong. here let me help you find the clip where Nene show her hands without gloves
https://youtu.be/DuhjtvjzJK8?si=zXV3y7WqJqtEiG73

>>58283512
and yet despite all of the members showing off their hands it still get rejected, why ? because it's simple the risk is greater than benefit

>>58283439
No one said that they should speak Indonesian, I just said that I find post with bad grammar worse

>>58283512
If you actually watch Kobo you would know that she's the type to only accept sponsorship for things that she truly enjoys

>>58281747
Your audience ship you with bang Al

>>58285553
Oh so you're the guy that's been shitting up holomem's chat for the past month

>>58285553
How big is Bang Al's harem?
I only know Kejeblos but I heard many female indies are thirsty him.

You fuckers made this thread so shit, kikebookers actually feel right at home here.

>>58277527
>>58282948
It baffles me to this that moonafags still exists like seriously lmao

>>58288606
>like

warkop should've talking about heavy stuff, like work, chatty neighbor, mpok-mpok janda, football match,we shouldn't talk about vtuber afterall
vtuber is curse in disguise
quick! revert to 0, enjoy being bapak-bapak sarungan sruput kopi
throw this vtuber bullshit out from warkop

>>58288606
She is irrelevant these days.

https://twitter.com/MikaMelatika/status/1701127268062658990
wait did mysta really graduate to get that mika memek

>>58288696
Let me remind you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DCXLpLyN0k
Chia-Purin tries out Sui's quiz

>>58289051
anon you know using kikebook and posting with your phone in /warkop/ make you invalid

>>58288974
>mysta
>british
kekaroo

>>58288974
>Isreal
HOLY SHIT

>>58288974
Is this real or is this a dare from her charity stream

>>58289051
oh yeah thanks for reminding me that the one who spammed this board with this image and moona doxx thread trying to invite people to witch hunt her months ago in the catalog, /#/, and global is a fucking indogs too, truly the most polite, civilized, and smartest community.

Seems like Livium got partnered to play a new local game
>Komandan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvzhMOAGhTs
>Non Dira https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qNTK1sSLdA

Of course it's a dare.
Easy catalog bait though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DCXLpLyN0k
does this count as shilling flesh streame or vtuber?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-U0ECatrCA
Cae Sonic Frontiers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcBohx7LNe4
Elula balorant with buddies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-fOcXj1iFg
HBD Queen!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc3FRpyhFRc
Ruka Night Talk

>>58282171
Most popular HoloID character.ai

>an endurance stream where we constantly have sex
https://twitter.com/rianez3/status/1697862147240562866
want this but anal only deisex and tono

>4 years
and the cancer fanbase still stong
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_ID/status/1171636268876337152

>>58289751
I don't know why you're seething so much about something a random anon said

https://twitter.com/ASPIRAProject/status/1701221553697153107
Another one we should watch for possible ID4 member, otherwise she wouldn't just "ehe" that announcement
https://twitter.com/VermelhaScarlet/status/1701221883285565824

>>58290374
his fault for reminding me

>>58290433
Oh, shit. She's that Mafia Princess friend, isn't she? The one that have car loving parents flavor text

>>58290483
Yeah yeah we get it we're the rudest nations on Earth when it comes to the internet and social media usage according to Microsoft

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVnKR6RslEo
Talk with Katya

>>58290433
>>58290642 (Me)
Also, I just realized, both members of gamer unit from this agency has/will have graduated: https://twitter.com/ASPIRAProject/status/1688882758779854849
So, double recruit, or probably just an expired agency contract?

>>58282316
lol that's not even the most egregious thing. they're pitting two contractors who work for the same corporation against each other.

imagine going to a stage theatre and arguing over who should win employee of the month. that's how retarded it is

>>58290858
Both grads are actually on the same gen so it might be them not renewing their contracts around the same time

>>58291258
Yeah, that's probably it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRdrkj7cqUY
Tono Palo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LugLxCekKGg
Nima Menkrep

>>58288606
???
-her ccv bellow id gen3
- dono holo id top4
- merch laku

You should change question to melfriends and iofiria

>>58293285
nah his premise is wrong. moonafags don't exist anymore, it's true. all chased away.
the fanbase is in a much nicer condition now.

>>58289858
Good for them, especially if they're given the game free for publicity. The gamedev will get extra exposure from their audiences, and Livium will save some expenses just to buy the game pay for streaming fee (assuming that the talents are playing the game with dev's blessing)

Deidey is cooking something for her first debut anniversary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzXQWVmT4Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC1qLmOs-hM
Meedy Sings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVxGFhw8xLk
Leone goes diggy diggy hole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co9VMK17oSs
you guys arguing for shit meanwhile the trio does CGDCT

>>58296056
sorry I can't look at zeta and kobo without thinking about male cocks in vivid detail

>>58297011
Cocks?

>>58297011
how? watching woman makes you think about cock? you gey or smth?

>>58297547
i'm not gay, thinking about homo cock only made me a little bit hard that's all

Honestly no matter how much Kobo's content has declined I'm just glad that she doesn't end up like Laplus

>>58295281
How much do you wanna bet that it's going to be orisong?

>>58294658
There's a lot of crossovers that can be utilized between local gamedevs and local chuubas, like marketing and VAing, I hope more of such partnerships can pop up real soon

>>58300529
I really liked that beat-em-up game that released earlier this year. Might be rough in some places, but you can tell that there's some love put into it. I hope whatever the dev is currently cooking will involve some of the local chuubas that has played the previous game

>>58290305
is hanmak here?
what is 4?

>>58301788
4 years anniv duh

>>58301788 (me)
>4
nevermind i am a retard

>>58301788
good that the reason i post that
feel lil bit bad for her ngl

>>58302002
Trying to remember all of the fond memories that end sadly is like ripping off scabs and expecting them to heal faster.

>>58301788
>>58302002
if the thread goes to shit tomorrow, i'm blaming the posts above, /warkop/ never cease to amaze after all

>>58302395
>tomorrow

>>58302395
I mean, I guess people /here/ forget that the root of the problem is the business model. The management view of what it means to become a VTuber. Say whatever you want about Kobo or Kaela or other girls, they'll be fine as long as they're in the Hololive-style business model. Alas, it doesn't matter how talented or how motivated the talents are when they're on the Nijisanji-style management. "Habis manis sepah dibuang" for them.

>>58303210
i mean....

>>58303426
>Hololive talents have formed a comradery sense (or family, whatever you want to label it) organically, presumably more than average company with white-collar workers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho12H7lqJDM&pp=ygUOcHJvamVjdCBsaXZpdW0%3D
And another tease from Livium, they looked very commited into teasing here but knowing ID market, are they wasting funds that should've been allocated into post-debut marketing instead?

>>58303860
While I'm tempted to answer it by skimming the achievement of their first generation, I'll say there's a need for more time, at least until several months since the second generation debut.

For the trailer, though, their mistake is not using the Indonesian language. They're not Hololive, or even Nijisanji. I want to see the trailer with the Indonesian version of Redd Pepper, with the old TVRI address style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5l0sgPP5k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOMhXoGbg8U

>>58303210
Now let's redirect it to other ID corpos, which business model's sustainable and which gonna fall like Alterly and Metanoia?

>>58306143
>Alterly
I remember someone /here/ said that Alterly focused too much on technology but lagged when it came to establishing a proper fanbase. That's why they did a 3D concert (I think they're the first to do that among IDchuuba?) but went south in the end.

>Metanoia
I don't watch Metanoia except Kawi. Maybe someone who's more familiar with them can answer. That's why I prefer one of /warkop/'s hypotheses: too dependent on the spearhead and failed to build brand loyalty.

For other ID corpos, I think the problem related to the business model is incompetent management. Some of the local corpos don't even know how to run a VTuber business. Another one is not enough money to run the agency, due to no corporate backup at the start or inability to attract one. A sustainable business model still requires capital, after all.

>>58307034 (me)
Again, Hololive's business model requires an insane amount of capital. COVER literally aims to the metaverse thing as their goals. Hololive is a different monster when it comes to VTubers.

That's why, the answer to Kobo and Kaela's "problems" is to look at COVER's "Materials for Growth Opportunities and Strategies" presentation. They have a place on COVER's grand scheme even though YAGOO said the SEA market isn't that profitable, unlike ex-IDs talents. The only plausible reasons for them to fall is when they choose to do so, like Rushia did.

sundul page 9

>>58307459
>Hololive's business model requires an insane amount of capital
it also requires years of build up and luck.
>COVER literally aims to the metaverse thing as their goals. Hololive is a different monster when it comes to VTubers.
add onto the fact that the metaverse model requires them to have the majority of the market and it becomes impossible for anyone else to measure up without support from outside forces.
hololives cemented itself as THE vtubing corpo, no one will ever reach their level until theyre gone, whether thats because they kill their own model, outside forces invest heavily into usurping them or if the major of people ignores them, the last one being impossible to happen unless something really fucked happens.
while some fags have said nothing last forever, either as a warning to keep people from getting too comfortable with the norm or to just be a fag and start shit, hololive isnt going anywhere anytime soon.

My goodness, some literal whos are trying to tarnish IDchuuba reputation again
https://twitter.com/Reivwu/status/1701313587556524208
https://twitter.com/Reivwu/status/1701317683655115236
Imagine using vtubing as a way to hide his already notorious identity

>>58310993
>a bit of rant bc its 2 AM who the fuck is online right
roru
rumao

>>58310993
Who ?

>>58298947
What even is wrong with Laplus again? Her strategy is basically Akemi's but with few fixes, and cover's fine with it because they knew what she's doing will help their goal to be more appealing towards younger audiences

>>58311856
hey wtf anon you can't dox me like this

>>58312849
>What even is wrong with Laplus
Menhera zoomer that took 5ch shitpost seriously

>>58289568
>Is this real or is this a dare from her charity stream
Real. She's also in a trio with Reimu and Scale rn
(the waxing one is true thou)

bump

gojou satoru is dead? for reaaal??

bump

>>58303860
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with what >>58304271 said as there's a need for more time, but on the same time, and there's some issue with Chapter 1 which need some attention. (runts of the gen that hasn't quite get the spearhead trickling effect, slow growth for komandan 50k and non Indira 10k milestones)
However, at the same time, I don't think their pre-debut marketing tactic is bad. It's the same with what they did for Chapter 1, and look at the result. I think it'll work, as long as the word of mouth among chuubas fans talk about them often enough

>>58302002
Fucking whore killed her branch.

>>58310993
how do you even cheat in online tourney

>>58303210
You really can't blame the management when the fault lies on the talents themselves. If they only stopped being lazy pricks, we would've been watching their 3Ds by now.

>>58302002
she is such a selfish cunt and for all the failings that they had, she deserve all of it

>>58325525
>can't blame the management
>we would've been watching their 3Ds by now
Dyrbi? I mean, sure, Niji talents aren't flawless, but do you really think it's a one-sided problem only? The company is also not entirely clean from any wrongdoings, with bad business practices that relies heavily on spearheads

>>58325525
It Will be funny if mika got 3d first, before her ex-id senpai

>>58325175 (Me)
>but on the same time
Scratch that, phonephosting makes me fuck up the clipboard

>>58328826
Probably mika got first if we see it from ccv+dono wise

>>58328826
I mean, Salome got her 3D and there's a bunch of her senpai that already got it

katakan kepada saya, ini pengulangan yang keberapa kalinya?

>>58327864
add onto the fact nijisanji has had multiple chances to spearhead into the west before hololive but have failed to support the livers in ways that would help them retain that new audience.
notice how holojp started interacting with new english fans even when it was during the unruly tourist era.
it pretty clear that even with the language barrier mitigating some of the toxicity, that the management was supporting the girls in ways that helped them not feel the need to retreat into themselves.
meanwhile rin spammed FFXIV to get rid of english tourists and hana stopped playing buff games and mainly did debuff games to get rid of the tourists.

>>58328826
Niji livers get their 3D model after they hit the 100k milestone, and everyone else with 100k in ex-ID already graduated, so...

>>58330357
>unruly tourist era
Eh, it's mostly just Coco, and sankisei was in their own playground (Pekora was the popular one with mainstream JP, Senchou was the degenerate that oddly relatable, and Rushia is ... I think banking on her gap moe?)
>Shizurin
I mean, ShizuRin, Deron, or Inchou FWIW wasn't really equipped to deal with gaijins, but you can compare them with what gen 0 did during that time. Suisei and AZKi are grinding their VSinger reps, and Sora, Miko, and Roboco are ... just there? The point is, the older gen rarely contributed for the EN expansion, and you can't really blame them for not doing that. They didn't know any better about this new EN thing
>Hana
Practically speaking, she's the one that well suited to be their trailblazer to EN audience, like that Mick Gordon incident was truly a golden opportunity for her, but on the other hand, I can't really blame her if for some reason she became afraid and decided not to pursue that path. It's a big thing and the fact she just noped after realizing that it's too much on her plate is probably what I would have done too if I was a greenhorn in an uncharted territory

you guys should chill in the morning
listeing to some lofi and sipping hot coffee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMVaEnw5kpk

>>58331773
Listen to the real Iofi instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGkX6pbQ3K0

>>58329669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cALiCv2rXs

>>58331773
I'll never forgive those YouTuber essayists for making me hate Nujabes just because it reminds me of their awful videos

>>58307034
That's why I'm scared ngl to corpos that have talents taking a nijistyle break like Maha5 with Lumi and Re:Memories with Chloe, are there hidden incompetence we don't know about those corpos the same way we just learned from niji after that merge?

>>58336107
Those two better come up with something that can put the talents back on track or they'll make everything that they've done a waste. IMO nothing worse than losing a spearhead for a corpo

>>58336107
i think they are planning to join jkt48v since holoid is becoming stagnant

>>58337548
I hope so. Anything but holoid.

>>58336850
but re:memo already has echi? and public seems to love her more than chloe

>>58337942
True, but I'd still think that it's a waste of resource for the corpo after all of the works done to make Chloe a spearhead, though IIRC I remembered that Re:Memo CEO claimed that they already has some understanding on how to make one a spearhead from Chloe success.
Idk, I still think that in the inevitability of Echi's quitting, I feel that they'll still be able to make a new spearhead, but that's not a sustainable business, is it?
Also an equally interesting question to ponder, what can corpo do with former spearhead that's good business-wise? Do they just keep it out of goodwill to fans and talent, or can they just retire them since it grew its usefulness and/or become a liability?

>>58337548
If holo id stagnant, it mean local corpo "mundur kebelakang"?

Anyone know how many percent local corpo vtuber get from the Dono?

>>58338980
former spearhead, as in active ones or MIA ones like Lumi?
Inactive spearhead should be obliged to fulfill their contract, even if they want to be hiatus, they have to be clear on how long will it take
cut their incentive (streaming revenue), and maybe cut more on their merch incentive, because its given, right?
normal corpo will give you surat peringatan for taking break this long

>>58271754
the majority of vtuber population in ID is underage/minor. Dominated by SMA instead of Univ. Good chance some of u fapped to bocil esempe voice.

>>58307034
Metanoia problem:

1. Male talents (they are good, but viewers doko)
2. spending ads on YT

if they havent does 2 thing, Metanoia would have another 2 year to live. Or if they have only karissa to manage, they would be on the green. Debuting one (max: 2) talent each gen is a good choice (genesix case) for ID agency but somehow seems not working out for Yume.

>>58340964
mostly 60-80% except aka who doesn't cut their ID branch

>>58341898
>Inactive spearhead should be obliged to fulfill their contract, even if they want to be hiatus, they have to be clear on how long will it take
Ah, it's either like Tsukumo Sana or Gura, then. No, I don't believe Gura is lazy, but maybe the combination of her loose screws inside her head and busy off-screen schedule like those HoloID girls.

Now think about it, why do I smell indecisiveness from Re:Memories when it comes to Chloe?
Or is this "mati segan, hidup pun tak mau" situation for Chloe from Re:Memories' POV?
Or is Chloe being perceived as big in terms of influence that even the management is hesitant to pressure her?
She can be as close as Miti in terms of numbers if she's active.

>>58343203
>Male talents (they are good, but viewers doko)
If they can't get people to watch them, then they are bad at their jobs.

>>58343203
>Debuting one (max: 2) talent each gen is a good choice (genesix case) for ID agency but somehow seems not working out for Yume.
It's because Groomcorp's past with Chapter 2 (Jolly Jungle) talents, especially with Keroro Suika.
Although, no, overall local fandom isn't aware of the rrat that Sena is being groomed.

>>58343487
This. If Harris Caine or Andi Adinata or Zen Gunawan can, any male chuubas can.
Zen Gunawan was the true brotuber. Fuck those Holostars.

>>58343487
>marketing + networking > talents
i've seen some shitty chuuba with surprisingly mid ccv (50+)

>>58300482
No, it's a cover song.
https://twitter.com/deidey16_/status/1701405996621721695

>>58341898
>Inactive spearhead should be obliged to fulfill their contract
You can never force entertainers as it usually ends up with them just doing bare minimum or worse, they could comply maliciously.
Nijisanji has that kind of system wherein their talents have to hit certain goals before they receive rewards/benefits. It resulted with people doing brain dead content just to meet quotas in streaming hours and frequency, which tanked their overall content and brand quality.

>>58343487
Honestly what should they do tho? This reminds me of what Ave have in AKA, his fellows keeps on saying him as the most talented in AKA but he never got his momentum at all, like it's harder to convince others to watch people like him or those Metaboys somehow but I can't figure out why?

>>58343843
Harris and Zen "success" is due to tons of networking (zen) and grinding (harris, Zen) which need aloooot of time and energy. They are exceptional at those area to the point its not normal.

>>58343948
Literally, skill issue. Gura succeeded as an indie and in Hololive.
Money obviously gets them the initial audience but ultimately, it's the skills that allow them to retain their it.

>>58344264
he's talented in the sense that he can produce his own music, and even make the videos for it. he has the skills the others don't have, he has a lot of talent but maybe not for vtubing

>>58344568 (me)
i guess it's hard to be attached to any male vtuber that's not BFE, unless you're just really in love with hard working type or something.

>>58341898
>normal corpo will give you surat peringatan for taking break this long
Yeah, I think this is the correct choice, business-wise. Seems draconian, from talents POV, but corpo and talent brand are also at stake if talent keeps taking extended hiatus
>>58343486
I really think MAHA5 and Re:Memo are bamboozled by Lumi and Chloe rm's. Those two certainly did enough to gain popularity, while tip-toeing around some of their corpo clause take a time-off, and the corpo can't do any punitive actions towards them since they outsmart the corpo clause.
>>58344112
Nah, if I was a corpo-owner in creative industry, I would rather put a leash on my employees (e.g. talents) rather than giving them carte blanche. Things can get ugly pretty soon with inexperienced talents wanting a lot of things

>>58344112
i maybe sound like an asshole but compare it to those big youtuber (indo)
they grind daily, they make big content (wether its shitty drama or real content), they shamelessly begging for subscribe, like, notification click, they sold their soul to youtube, they got big, they also got mental problem which most of the case turns them into this asshole youtuber who only care about numbers

meanwhile we came to vtuber era, the corpo ones get their model and asset, streaming 1-2times a day, maybe push a short video, collabing with friends for mutualism engagement, playing games, karaoke, or dono-read, seems fun, less stress, but then the audacity to take breaks longer than pregnancy, zero interaction with fans, yet corpo still put you in the showcase as one of their talent, that just fucked up, remember their fans is waiting

PS: iam actually ranting about my oshi, gura the jembut

>>58344264
Talents don't often translate to being entertaining. Have you noticed the quality of Hololive recruits? Some of them can't even speak properly or have obvious faults and yet they managed to pass the audition. Only few of them like Fubuki and Aqua who were big hits right off the bat. The rest of them struggled early into their careers.
It is why I think established entertainers don't necessarily make for a good vtuber automatically.
Hololive has good scouts.

>>58344112
yep, dont force entertainers. Some professional VA can be forced for a short goal objective, but the nature of entertainers is simply dont force or push them to do this and that. A VA can go a tantrum simply just bcs their idea being rejected, let alone being forced to something they dont like. That's why audition is very important.

>>58344755
True but then again despite that, burn out is sadly a thing for our chuubas, remember what happened to Dea? That might be the case for Chloe, which brings us to this question: shouldn't corpos do more to prevent burn outs in their chuubas? If they can't even lessen burn out impacts on their chuubas then what's the point of being a corpochuuba?

>>58345090
is it maybe because lot of them are underage? being underage with corpo lifestyle is hard
had to deal with school and work

>>58345298
Dea and Chloe isnt underage, the one who goes insane usually the 21-30 age group since their family have more expectation to them.
where is dea now anyway, is she good? i recognize that super stressful voice that sounds like laughing

>>58344744
>Nah, if I was a corpo-owner in creative industry, I would rather put a leash on my employees (e.g. talents) rather than giving them carte blanche. Things can get ugly pretty soon with inexperienced talents wanting a lot of things
The thing is, it only works if the incentive to keep working is great in terms of monetary. Say anything you want about Hololive ID, but the girls got jobs when so many people here similar to their age are struggling to get a job. Just remember Risu's story.
Also, I assume the system is pretty good for keeping HoloID girls working. I'm talking about the girls talking about M-chan casually in so many cases since the beginning.

>>58345090
>shouldn't corpos do more to prevent burn outs in their chuubas?
I think it's something that only those who have knowledge and experience in the entertainment industry can do. Thus, the problem as I mentioned on >>58307034 - some local corpos don't even know how to run a VTuber business, let alone handle the psychological problem of their talents.

>>58344623
>>58344568
>>58344264
As i told you guys several breads ago, Ave is similar to Riksa Dhirendra (Jukut), tho I've yet to see Ave making songs for others. But so far, some similarities are that he's underrated and "unexpectedly handsome" (see his cover here https://youtu.be/PoFFbsriCnE)) which reminds me of how Jukut glowup in covers, and in this tribute project from 1-2 years ago https://youtu.be/kf6HF1lCiHk

>>58345623
VRchama, you're reading this? If you do, try to convince DigiKagi Direct to talk about psychology in vtubing, would be great if we can have actual psychologist to discuss about burnouts and how to mitigate it for chuubas and managers alike

>>58344519
she was hardly a successful indie, she barely streamed and when she did she was a drunkard.
she only had so much subs because one song blew up so hard that of course shed get so many subs.
outside of that she was literally another dakooters and pre-vtuber nyanners, doing funny bits every so often but the main channel would go month without anything.

In other news: https://twitter.com/Saladartist13/status/1701462326829052170
Now I'm really sure if Echi's reclining between this and her next anniv, big chance that she'll go towards this circle. It's up to Re:Memo to either keep her in her best interest that aligns with corpo vision, try to restore Chloe as a spearhead, or just make a new one
Also, Zen gamau bikin agensi aja sendiri? Banyak bener harem lu

>>58346403
who is this bakwan? mumun?

>>58346403
Both. If possible, also do the third one. Re:Memories has been in the local chuuba scene for years and there's JKT48V as their nearest competitor. MAHA5 is still there, too. Not to mention other local agencies and indies. So, either go big or go home.

>spoiler
He has a great personality and boy, you better watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=203I2y8Yy20

>>58346670
Holy shit, i don't realize sui is that big. I thought he is at most 180cm.
When they standing side by side, it's looks like some JAV cover

>>58344755
>>58346267
Would you say that she'll fix her working attitude had she been the runt of her gen?

https://youtu.be/Hsv_5rdVkGg
Chia menkrep

>>58344755
big difference between indie and corpo.

indies own their own IP and are responsible for their brand. they prioritize the growth/grind mindset, otherwise they can't even get off the ground.

corpos are contractors piloting a company IP/brand. their focus switches to somewhere between personal growth and supporting/maintaining the company box. sometimes these two goals will conflict.

if you go into a corpo but keep the indie mentality, you're gonna have a bad time.

>>58349534
>if you go into a corpo but keep the indie mentality, you're gonna have a bad time.
But what about AKA anon? AKA grows well because of talents keeping indie mentality when in AKA

>>58349627
for a while, then your company ends up in the typical situation of small corpos where one or two spearheads dominate causing resentment or drama.

>>58349627
Is aka the same type company with vshojo and mythic?

GOJO SATORU IS FUCKING DEAD!

>>58350903
>>58322492

>>58348524
Dunno about her, but if she is the runt of her gen, cover will let her graduate without any fuss