/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>5797162
Kuzuhaaaaa Im cummiiiiiiiiiiiiiiingggggggggg

>>5797162
Tokyo Ghoul pretty high.

superchats

Your weekly VOD numbers
https://panora.tokyo/archives/28475

Besides the typical hololive domination, Gura absolutely dominated with her song and hololive broke 1m views in the top 4.

>>5797162
Oh no no no holobros... we got too cocky...

>>5797604
SIRO!! Pretty fucking based.

>>5797604
Whatever you've filtered by has taken Mea out of the rankings so here's a more complete list
Also check out who number 22 in the worldwide ranking was today, wasn't expecting to see that name but it gave me a good chuckle

>>5797162
that boy's outgunned but damnit he's got heart and sometimes that's all you need

keep fighting kuzuha

>>5798299
>collabing with cringe e-celebs means you have heart
Wow

>>5798593
when your whole company is reclining you can't just die on the moral high ground

you've got to dig deep and do whatever it takes, that's SOUL

>>5798593
Vtubers are ecelebs
The vtubers you watch are just about as normie as those guys

>>5798661
As normie as hiromoot?

>>5798712
If not more

>>5798661
I watch Miko

>>5798661
NOOOOOOO

>>5797740
So they only put one video per vtuber?
Because both Miko and Gura broke 1M on their festival vods

>>5799330
Looks like it.

>>5797903
well she just got her channel monetized

>>5799330
Can't have too much hololive domination, gotta give everyone else a chance.

>>5799584
>Since we want to introduce many VTubers, we have ranked one video per channel
I'll translate that

"I'm a Nijinigger and because I don't want Niji to be totally blown out I'm only going to include one video per channel"

>>5799330
Miko's festival VOD is on the list at #8.

>>5799330
I was thinking about that too. But then this list would be filled with UsaKen festival shit, not to mention Gura would have been on the top two spots.

>>5799745
yeah, seems like an excuse to me too

>>5799667
This! As a hololivechad, i'm tired of winning all the time. Manjisanji still got mog expect tokyo faggot.

>>5799902
Even then it took him collabing with multiple cringe e-celebs to...........get the same amount of viewers as Pekora playing a 20 year old Final Fantasy game.

i smell holocope

I see nijicope

>>5800309
Was curious how all the people sponsored to play the Sonic game did.
Was most surprised by Korone pulling in the amount of views she did considering her stream seems to be shadowbanned (not showing up in the hashtag or search) and she streamed at the same time as usaken festival.

>>5797740
to bad there are 2 days between most those streams and now. youtube purged some vodviews yesterday and i was curious to see if it hit Nijis just as hard. Lulu only gaining 15k views in two days does seem pretty weird

>>5799902
Honestly, I think we're about to humbled again soon. So many people are expecting Coco's graduation stream is going to break records in viewership and superchats that the pessimist in me can't help but predict conservatively. She had a huge graduation buff in the beginning, but after 3 weeks, it's running out of gas. Her recent costume review should be around Calli's numbers, but it was "only" 100k in the end.
I'm sure Coco's graduation live will beat hololive's 3D record (~100k), but I don't think it'll beat Fuwa's 144k 3D debut record and superchat record. I actually think Ibrahim has a chance of beating her in peak views and superchats too.
Nothing would make me happier to be wrong and for Coco to get something like 200k viewers and the new SC in a stream record .

>>5802441
That's weird. I'm a nijinigger and I think it'll very easily beat Fuwa's viewers record, although it's probably not going to beat his SC record but I'm not sure. 144k live viewers in graduation stream (let alone a concert one) doesn't seem difficult for the most famous Holomen overseas. Bear in mind that Fuwacchi's subs is a quarter of Coco's so it's not even a competition in the first place.

>>5802733
this, it doesn't make sense to think she will beat his SC, her roommate information is out there to plebs isn't it? she isn't disappearing so there's no need to shower her in exorbitant amounts of money. as for views, it will definitely beat it, as this is a spectacle. people who don't watch hololive but have heard of it, will watch it. her friends in hololive will be promoting the link too so their fans will watch it.

>>5802441
Not that anon but the upcoming 4 days will be pretty interesting number wise.
There will be Mio's new outfit stream later, then followed by Lulu's graduation stream on 30th, Coco's graduation stream on 1st, Ibrahim's 3D on 2nd, and finally 3D live of 3rd gen on 3rd.

So i found out that the biggest japanese youtuber make almost 2m per year with ads and that's fucking pathetic.
Even here in brazil the biggest one make more than 20m

>>5802441
She got more scs in 3 week for 5 fuwa 3d debut already. No shame holochad, niji may hold the records but we won the war.

>>5802733
Maybe it's projection on my part. After this 3 month graduation tour and hearing her multiple explanations, I've kinda made piece with Coco's departure and thus, don't really feel the "sad hype" for her final stream. SC record won't probably be broken tho since Tatsunokos have been paying for weeks now. She basically made 100k in SC every week for the past 3 weeks already.

>Bear in mind that Fuwacchi's subs is a quarter of Coco's so it's not even a competition in the first place.
Well that didn't really stop him from breaking the record for all the previous Holo3D debuts. Niji 3D streams get a lot of normie tourists who check in for a good show, but idk if Hololive appeals to the same tourist crowd.

I'm pretty sure I'll be wrong, just being conservative.

>>5802882
How do views/subscribers compare?

>>5797903
I'm from the future. A certain someone will retire.

>>5802733
Maybe it's projection on my part. After this 3 week graduation tour and hearing her multiple explanations, I've kinda made piece with Coco's departure and thus, don't really feel the "sad hype" for her final stream. SC record won't probably be broken tho since Tatsunokos have been paying for weeks now. She basically made 100k in SC every week for the past 3 weeks already.

>Bear in mind that Fuwacchi's subs is a quarter of Coco's so it's not even a competition in the first place.
Well that didn't really stop him from breaking the record for all the previous Holo3D debuts. Niji 3D streams get a lot of normie tourists who check in for a good show, but idk if Hololive appeals to the same tourist crowd.

I'm pretty sure I'll be wrong, just being conservative.

>>5797162
>coco is on 6th
Nobody gives a fuck about her anymore haha

fuwacchi, ibrahim...get behind me

>>5803004
He has 42m subs.
Basically every youtuber with more than 10m subs or go to netflix/amazon or a tv channel like hbo or some br channel. It's really rare they become streamers

>>5802882
That's what happens when only 5 people in the entire country are able to afford a camera, all the views go to them. That added to the fact most brazillians can't even speak portuguese let alone another language

>>5803117
after him it's mashiro... so many boys to protect from the rabid numberfags

>>5803079
>idk if Hololive appeals to the same tourist crowd.
Coco in particular does.
Niji3D has better live viewers records than Holo3D because Holo3D isn't very interesting, especially for people who aren't already the girl's fans in the first place. But in Coco's case it's a graduation concert, that alone would boost the number of not only tatsunokos but fans from other Holos as well along with tourists.

>>5803224
WTF are you talking about? Brazil has hundreds of youtubers with more than 10m subs and thousands with more than 1m.
The biggest brazilian streamer bought the rights to stream the fucking NBA. Japan if you found any youtuber with more than 100k is too much

>>5803079
Holo3D is basically just "look at her in 3D!" and then she sings a few songs.
Niji3D is basically an entire show full of skits and interactions with other livers in 3D in some cases.
In Niji's case that will most likely be the most amount of people that will ever watch that particular liver in their entire career.

>>5803288
"Tourists" here will also include the entire internet literate population of Taiwan. Yeah it's nonsense to think Coco's graduation stream numbers won't mog everyone in the industry so far. And I don't even like Coco or Hololive in the first place.

So, what took so long for the proper numbers thread to go out?

>>5802441
at least 5 people I know have taken a day off to watch it, and in some Japanese companies it's customary to give a day off to an employee when his Oshi graduates.
I'm sure she'll comfortably have 150k+ watching.

>>5803453
>and in some Japanese companies it's customary to give a day off to an employee when his Oshi graduates.
That's pretty fucking insane, no wonder it gives you Holo girls.

>>5803393
>liver
eventually you idiots will learn to stop using that term.

>>5803534
They call themselves virtual livers every day.

>>5803393
Interestingly holos used to do 3D skits as well. Stuff like Marine and Korone switching bodies. Rushia feasting on the souls of her fandeads and recently the Botan 3D debute which had the long gaming skit.

>>5802882
> wrong thread
> wrong board
Docchi docchi?

>>5803602
I've always been confused at just how little Cover seems to be interested in investing in their 3D content.

Now seems like the ideal time for them to be doing that, right? Right as they've hit their stride as an organization and have the opportunity to capitalize on it?

>>5803712
If they're going to get good numbers and inclining without having to improve the quality of their content, why should they?

>>5803534
live and live are two different words ESLchama

>>5797162
So are these numbers based on highest concurrent viewers?

>>5803712
I guess in the end it comes back to the girls themselves. As Botan showed skits are still ok but it seems none of them want to use it that way. They do have to book the 3D studio and it seems the girls that do it the most are people like Suisei , Aqua and Nene who want to sing and dance

>>5803712
It has to do with a couple factors I think.
Holos getting busier.
Covid, cover seems to be taking it more seriously and limits studio use (hell they even cancelled the live audience portions of their concerts while Nijisanji just went ahead and did it anyways)
It takes a lot of time to plan these things compared to just a showcase and then sing and dance.

>>5803768
>Calls me ESL
Liver, in the context you are using it, isn't a fucking word. Learn English idiot.

>>5803712
>how little Cover seems to be interested in investing in their 3D content
It's not that. They're trying and improving at a normal pace if Niji was playing on the same field from the start. But ever since they received a $17M investment from Sony Music back at april 2020, of course you'd expect more from them. Mind you, they could afford several suits that CodeMiko uses for their 3D and an upgrade in most of their facilities. 17M is a whole lot as to compared to what Cover has right now. Take away that 17M and we'd be seeing the same 3D tech as Cover in Niji right now. That, or they've reclined hard at the start of 2021.

>>5803922
Not only did they get 17M, they only had a -300k profit which either means they’re investing a ton of money into R&D or they’re bleeding money. My bet is on the former. I think their total capitol was 23-
25M?
Cover seems to be going in a different direction trying to turn their brand into a multimedia giant. They’re making millions from their concerts as an example. The amount of VR concerts have been increasing to at least once a month among other concerts their talents are attending..

>>5804135
that's certainly not a bad direction to take it. I could easily see Hololive taking its place among the successful idol media franchises like idolmaster if cover is compete- oh wait.., its doomed to failure isn't it.

>>5804135
Honestly i wonder if VARK has a special deal with cover. Their event list lately is mostly holos with like one niji concert squeezed in.

>>5803873
It's a slang term created by an application of a common English grammar form. A native English speaker would never be confused by it so I doubt you are one, ESLchama.

>>5804135
>they’re investing a ton of money into R&D or they’re bleeding money
I think they're in the middle of that. I don't know what kind of R&D they're doing, but if CodeMiko could do a better job in her 3D tech, other indies or big corpos could do it too. Niji's pumping strategy (3D debuts & new vtubers) would get stale and eventually kill them in the long run.

>>5804349
Hololive got big too fast after that copyright apocalypse. Can't blame them from being safe or restricting now even if they had to let go of their biggest money-maker.

>>5804349
Yagoo seems to have S rank luck so who knows. Coin flip at this point.
An interesting thing that happened today was that Cover announced all of Holopro has full access to Audiostock’s database now. Means their creative types have more assets to play around with (BGM, SFX, sound/voice clips, songs)
>>5804443
Supposedly after their first Hololive concert they kept asking for more.
I mean shit, Lamy almost crashed their servers with how many gifts her fans donating to her.

>>5804501
Yeah i can see why they would want more of this. Each of those is worth the same as a aka and there are just as many on the other side

>>5804465
I really wonder how sustainable Nijisanji strategy is. They don’t really cultivate their talents other than the ones who are already popular so what happens when they retire or get bored of vtubing?
Their entire strategy seems to be to pump out vtubers and hope one of them makes it big.
Regarding Hololive, they had to learn the hard way by fucking up massively.
Their current permissions arc seems to be netting them a lot of sponsorships with companies that recently gave them permissions. The success of those are leading to even more sponsorships (Pekora putting in hard work especially), looks like a snowball effect.

>>5804501
>>5804736
I kinda hope they release the VR archive one day

>>5802441
I was conservative in my expectations but I'm starting to think it may be record breaking after all. Tatsunokos put up these ads all over Taiwan.

>>5804957
Some of the tatsunoko’s are rich as hell.
Coco, like Lamy, has an audience that consisted of salarymen with a lot of disposable income.

ok numberlords can you tldr me?
is cover/hololive hitting the yeet?

>>5804756
I don't know either. It's good to know they're thriving at least on their 3D scene in JP but they're losing the war with their overseas branch. HoloEN & ID beats their EN, KR and ID branches. HoloJP has 4 stacked gens while Niji has only Kuzuha, Kanae, Touya and Mito to compete but the 4 of them had already been in the business for too long and IDK when are they gonna graduate.

>>5804957
>https://mobile.twitter.com/ftltang2012/status/1409736792245346304
Taiwan bros are really impressive. Almost as impressive as the guy from Australia who named a star after Kiryu Coco. Holy fuck

>>5805005
Lamy keeps being so lovable I will always shower her with aka

>>5805006
What the fuck does this even mean?
Cover is doing great both in sc and in views

>>5805425
She also has the hottest fanarts imaginable

>>5797604
I sent Gura $54 a couple of days ago

>>5805455
there's so many doomposters but i guess it's all rrats

Shibuya Hal's income.
I wonder how much the holos earn from ads per month.

Shibuya Hal's income.
I wonder how much the holos earn from ads per month.
source: https://note.com/shibuyahal/n/nd98a73f6a82c

>>5805719
There are paid promotion streams and new merch almost every week lately and people think cover is going under? Fucking retards lmao

>>5805719
The doomposting you see is the whiplash reaction to Coco's graduation which came out of left field to the public. Everyone is trying to look for signs of Cover falling apart, but financially, they are in the best possible position they could ever be.

>>5806342
And with Coco's graduation it'll be even far, far better, something that some numberfags are reluctant to admit despite it being the natural conclusion of the general narrative on Cover's success.

>>5803572
Maybe nijiniggers do...

>>5804457
Jannies, this is offtopic...

6/1-6/28 24:00

\39,541,484 Coco
\16,101,915 Rushia
\ 9,237,674 Pekora
\ 8,555,977 Watame
\ 8,424,594 Kanata
\ 7,680,944 Marine
\ 6,265,864 Lamy
\ 5,531,376 Korone
\ 5,401,010 Nene
\ 5,242,812 Rushia
\ 5,242,790 Flare
\ 5,225,754 Suisei
\ 4,180,725 Noel
\ 3,548,529 Okayu
\ 3,104,707 Subaru
\ 3,046,108 Matsuri
\ 2,641,170 Miko
\ 2,597,917 Botan
\ 2,404,963 Fubuki
\ 2,006,931 Mio
\ 1,603,147 Aki
\ 1,577,301 Roboco
\ 1,547,538 Polka
\ 1,212,549 Towa
\ 1,200,877 Luna
\ 1,049,020 Haachama
\ 757,796 Choco
\ 599,695 Shion
\ 597,594 Sora
\ 183,791 Mal
\ 0 Ayame

Coco broke 40m (around $360k)

>>5806571
AYAMEEEEE

>>5806571
Ayame a shit!

>>5806571
You missed Aqua

>>5806342
Tbqh it's pretty sad to see her go but it's largely the fault of her own and her presence has debilitated Cover for a lot of potential long term growths. Coco denied us of the high potential Chinese market for Holo (no zhang shitting here, numbers only matter). She graduated because of instead of being content with market-friendly approach Cover is promoting and sticking for her high-viewers reddit meme review content that appeals to Western market, she insisted for "creative freedom" on edgy, immature Asacoco content like some failed Nijiniggers. So basically she refused the direction of either Chinese or Western market. Her earnings might be huge but she's a huge liability. Thank god a large percent of her SC storms went to Cover so it's not as if she mogged the profits all by herself while quitting.

>>5805935
Pretty interesting read. I will put the translation here in case others also want to know what he's talking about.

>Disclaimer : This pie chart is Shibuya Hal's, so other Vtubers may have different rates. Also expenses aren't included in the data.

>Ad Revenue (68.2%)
- Hal himself is pretty surprised after finishing the chart. He knew Ad Revenue played a big part into his income but didn't know it was this significant.
- He made a point where old video uploads play a great value since people are still watching it from time to time, even when they're old. And all of them pile up to contribute big into the Ad Revenue.
- On the other hand, even though livestreams also generate Ad Revenue, the fact that they aren't generating many views after some days passing and apparently they have lesser value in revenue generated for livestream compared to video upload made the latter becoming main source of his income.
- Pointing out that since video uploads are also connected to the increase of subscriber count, it's pretty strong.

>Work (14.8%)
- Everything from paid promotion to hosting events.
- He felt he did a lot of work from last year, but surprisingly it yields quite a low percentage, although definitely not negligible.
- He's always worrying how to keep balance between taking up multiple projects and maintaining a healthy fanbase from his video uploads (TN : Presumably since leaning too much on one side will sacrifice the other.).

>Superchats (12.2%)
- Can't tell the details but he gets 50%~70% of it.
- Membership also included.
- He's pretty thankful for people who superchat'd since he enabled it in the first place because his past inconsistent income. Now that it's changed he feels pretty content with the amount.
- He thanks everyone who sent it, since it contributes almost directly into him.

>Twitch (3.2%)
- Peaceful chat.

>Others (1.7%)
- The grey area is supposed to be 'Others', but somehow it wont show in the chart...
- Other stuff, like fanclub donation etc.

>Conclusion
- He observed a pretty big difference with the old chart he made.
- Back when he was still lesser known, superchats and membership were the one keeping him afloat. But now since he's kind of popular, he's supported by the Ad Revenue a lot more.
- He once again thanked everyone who have been supporting him, and hope everyone could keep doing it.

Sorry for the long post, and hope whoever read all of this have a good day.

>>5803712
Cover is honestly only behind compared to nijisanji and kizunai Ai, who mogs everyone else in the industry so hard it's not even funny. If you watched the kuro x obi concert the other day you'll see what the "average" 3d quality is like when it comes to such things.

>>5806832
Difference in treatment I guess. Niji had big money to upgrade, while AI only needs a 3D upgrade on herself. The budget for cover are split between talents, employees, tech and holoALT.

>>5804957
They did the same in Hong Kong.

>>5806822
So wait, not only Holos are leading in superchats and liveviews, their ad revenue is high as well from their past videos? I've been on adblock for far too long, does their MVs also have ads?

>>5806818
I'm pretty disappointed with her when I learned her graduation is due to "creative difference". Asacoco did help her and Holo's popularity but it's in the past and no longer match Cover's present direction, the Reddit meme reviews are good enough to keep her as world's top SC earner but she's not satisfied by it, and that's after she forced Cover to make a choice between Chinese and Western market, killing the chance to milk the zhangs and zhangcorps in foreseeable future.

>>5806818
i confess i hated her a bit because as a gachanigger i always wished to get my oshi. but i grew out of it and it ultimately is zhangs fault for being insanely oversensitive, feels like it was doomed to happen

>>5806818
It's not zhang shitting to say zhangs are primarily at fault, not Coco. Because they are. These aren't machines where you plug in a figure and get an expected response - they are people, responsible for their own actions.

>>5807053
Did you somehow miss this part?
>>Disclaimer : This pie chart is Shibuya Hal's, so other Vtubers may have different rates. Also expenses aren't included in the data.

>>5807036
winnie and the zhangs won't like that

>>5806818
>Chinese market
>potential
Anon, their numbers are useless in the west. You can't even get most of their money out of the country. For manufacturing, food infrastructure and technology, their market kinda works, but for the entertainment industry and intellectual property in general, the Chinese market is more trouble than it's worth. Not even China bashing about this.

>>5806822
his VOD views average is 170k

>>5807122
>>5807143
>>5807184
It's not her fault but she did put Cover in a severely difficult situation. Bear in mind that Holo was the largest and most popular group in the mainland for a while, FBK and Aqua absolutely mogged everyone in Bilibili sub count. Collabs with zhangcorps are definitely worth it numberwise in the long-term.
And it's not just about zhangs. She also refused to adjust to the family-friendly mainstream Western market, and in fact I suspect this is the main factor for her graduation. It's one thing to steer away from one market to another, another to completely reject them in favor of fringe Niji-tier mediocre content like Asacoco.
My point is that at this point she's largely a liability to Cover's long-term growth and many in Cover and people who supported Cover are probably relieved to see her graduating. And yeah, probably even Coco herself, too.

>>5807053
Uhh no. I'm sorry, but did my English suck? Probably shouldn't have written it in the first place...

There's difference in livestream and video uploads. Livestream is all those stream we've been watching regularly, including the VOD, while video upload is something like MV the girls put out, and VOD of a livestream isn't categorized into this. Some short skit also included in video upload, dunno if they have Ads in them or not tho.

So now, about your points. First, superchat is already covered there above. Do tell if my English sucked tho, will try to rephrase it better. Next, live views. Hal didn't touch this, but mentioning the total views (so VOD views) on livestream have less value compared to video uploads. So the number of live viewers and peak viewers probably have no connection whatsoever to their income, only to measure popularity and how it influences YT algorithm.
Third point, since I put out the definition of livestream and video upload above, those that counted as video upload for the girls are mostly their MVs. So whoever has the most views and highest number of MVs is probably the one profiting the most from Ad Revenue (if it's enabled).

Hope that cleared it up.

>>5807053
Anon, this applies to all of YT: if you are monetized, all your videos generate ads at the beginning and end of each video (2-4 ads total), and in the cases where a video is long enough, you get ads peppered throughout your video. It piles up real quick... MVs included. The only exception is when you don't want you video monetized or when YouTube demonetizes a video for any number of reasons.

You see those millions of views that Holos get? Many of those could have anywhere from one to four ads on average and could go as high as double digits given video length. It piles up QUICK.

>>5804756
The Nijisanji method is unironically safer and more stable than Hololive's, since it's basically "streamers but with an avatar". That means a single liver fucking up or wanting to quit doesn't affect the others due to how spread out their fanbase is, whereas hololive is far more susceptible to being hurt by drama. As long as Niji are the poster child for normie streamers who want to use 2D avatars they'll always be successful, there won't be any shortage of people applying and the market they can tap into is huge even if it's not as lucrative per capita.

>>5807353
I do think Niji will last for quite a while despite being consistently "mogged" by Holo in numbers for the foreseeable future. It's not going to be on the top of anything anytime, but being a Niji is a good opportunity for more casual streamers instead of fulltime streamers like Holo. Also it'd hog male vtuber market for quite a while.

>>5804957
>>5807036
Well shit, maybe the glorious bitch will get the sendoff she deserves.

>>5807265
What is exactly wrong with Asacoco and how did it hurt "the market"?

>>5807653
Gratuitous reference to drug use, sex toys use doesn’t go really well with the idol marketing or the “seiso” marketing.
I doubt Coco disagrees that her content doesn’t align with Hololive intended direction, that’s the exact reason they’re parting ways very amicably.

>>5807118
>she forced

It was the zhangs who forced it anon. They were the ones who demanded her graduation before she was even back from her suspension for what was essentially an accident. They would take nothing less. The fault for the destruction of HoloCN is on them.

>>5807653
NTA, the content that she included in Asacoco included, at various points in time, allusions to suicide and drug abuse, which are topics that carry a really negative tone. Advertisers and sponsors are very wary of material containing such topics. Cover doesn't want her making content like that because it may spook sponsors.

It's the same reason why the ENs are told not to curse so much.

>>5807766
>The fault for the destruction of HoloCN is on them.
That’s true and that would be the unavoidable consequence too. It is very hard to have a foot in the west and another in China nowadays and if not the even that led to it either chinks or burgers would invent something else to make it
>you’re either with us, the good guys, or with them, the bad guys. Pick one and only one
The whole kerfuffle helped the choice early on and got them into arguably a larger market and easier to navigate

>>5807353
their fanbase is not that spread anon, there are established groups of friends in nijisanji too so if you watch regularly one member then you probably watch his or her friends too

>>5807766
It doesn't really matter, though. Western market has its own standards and inviolable, unreasonable taboos, Chinese market has their own. It's the exact same thing as debating about "creative freedom" - there are rules that must be followed, and arguing whether they're "reasonable" or not is pointless. Might as well I say it's unreasonable for Holos not being allowed to say niggers to their Western audience.
Moreover the point is what happened afterwards - after Cover pivoted to Western market completely for her sake, she refused to properly adjust to it, which got us to our current position. I'd say it's kind of selfish for her to graduate instead of adjusting to company standards after Cover chose her over HoloCN, but of course that's entirely within her right to do so. At least her graduation is a net benefit for Cover's growth and she's not throwing any crazy yab doing so.

>>5807970
>what happened afterwards - after Cover pivoted to Western market completely for her sake
Anon, you know HoloEN debut before the debacle right?

>>5807890
It's still far more spread out than hololive's.

>>5808054
NTA, but I think he was referring to Cover ending HoloCN and cutting all connections with the Chinese market with that sentence, not anything about HoloEN. The opposite would be Cover firing Coco and Haato while retaining HoloCN, which could be paraphrased as Cover choosing the Eastern market.

>>5800644
>Was most surprised by Korone pulling in the amount of views she did considering her stream seems to be shadowbanned

I think Gura is getting shadowbanned by youtube recently. I'm a membershrimp and if i wasn't actively tracking her schedule and checking her channel I'd never get notified of her streams. she wouldn't show up in my recommended or anything. In fact the last two member streams never showed up at all for me, I had to get the links from 3rd parties, as they never showed up on youtube recommendations and they don't show up on gura's channel (the tremors watch along and the Scout TTRPG drawing stream)

None of those things used to happen. But this has been happening for a couple of weeks now. It would also explain why her Reflect video never touched youtube's trending list; despite being the 3rd most watched video on youtube the day it released.

>>5808323
I'm pretty sure she isn't, I'm still getting notifications just fine. Might just be youtube fucking up the algo again.

>>5807150
Nope. I've never seen these graph before, and never knew that ad revenue was a whole lot more important than superchats. If Hal had this much of an income just from ad revenue, my mind went to think "what about the Holos? How much do they earn from their VODs piling up?". Since they are also a popular vtuber group. I always thought the number from ad rev was insignificant because it ain't much to look at, but surprisingly VODs are also important. Afterwards, my mind just made a conclusion that on top live views and super chat, Holos are also dominating in ad revenue in the vtubing industry because their videos tend to get more VOD views than others especially MVs.

>>5807346
No problem, your english is okay. I just made up my own conclusion from the translation you gave about Hal.

>>5808833
I think there's no doubt that Holo earns massive amount of ad money, but it's also likely that a larger percentage of the revenue comes from SC compared to Hal.

TOP FUCKING JEJ, numbers thread getting (you)s from Roboco in a very convoluted way

First: >>5772692 and >>5772743, then some faggot broke containment and posted on Reddit which got picked up by the Twitter auto reposter and it made all the way to Roboco

>>5808910
Anon... look closer, it's not the same screenshot

>>5809000
It is, her is cropped by twitter from an image with it overlaid over a reddit meme done with it.

>>5808323
Think you cleared up your notifications to fast from seeing the Gura's members stream and post. It doesn't show up in recommendations, you gotta click her profile and check the community tab.

>>5809016
In the 4chan screenshot Rushia's name is between Coco and Ollie while in the Reddit one it's between Lamy and Moona

>>5808833
This is only true for Hal because he doesn't get a lot SCs. Girls like Lamy, Nene and Coco definitely get a big portion of their earnings from SCs, Sponsorships and merch because. A lot of their fans prefer watching them live and interacting with them. You shoot an SC at them because you want them to read it or laugh at it.

>>5809085
Good eye!

>>5808149
>but I think he was referring to Cover ending HoloCN and cutting all connections with the Chinese market with that sentence, not anything about HoloEN
I consider these two things to be independent things. Cover didn't "pivot to the Western market completely for her sake" but yes, the demise of their Chinese operation was a consequence of chink glass heart overreacting

>>5807217
Wtf? Kiara, arguable the least popular EN, has 240k view/vid average compared to Hal's 170K, and also of course completely mogs him in superchats. Then there's power houses like Peko, Mori, or Gura. I always assumed a conservative RPM but even with the $3-5 range something doesn't add up here. Apparently there's more to ad revenue than pure RPM in which case we've all been drastically underestimating the Holo's incomes. Like by a huge amount.

Aki + Robocco song premiered 21 minutes ago on AKi's channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP-caiSnm2Q
>under 10k views


1) She is 100% undoubtedly restricted somehow on YT. Her videos most definitely don't appear on anyone's recommendations, her channel must not come up on searches and such YT shenanigans for that number to remain that low
2) Both Aki herself and Roboco NEED TO DO THEIR PROMOTION REPS
Roboco posted today on reddit on that wifi meme (https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/oa3w0a/roboco_wifi_is_strong/)) after some 9 months of inactivity there.

Marine is there every day posting about every little single thing she will do, be it collabs, songs, lives even if she doesn't master the language.
How hard is for Aki, a Reddit babbie saved from the dead bottom of the subs count, to drop by and say
>MOSHI MOSHI ANON KUN
>NEW COVER SONG ON MY CHANNEL PREMIERES TODAY
>WATCH IT KUDASAI, CHU!

That's mind blowing, the girls work in a company that gives them all the leeway they need to succeed or fail based on their own efforts and merits and some don't take advantage

>>5809470
Aki is more of a twistcaster than a youtuber at this point.

>>5809470
really sad numbers.
They need to learn how to build hype.

>>5809470
>>5809518
I thought about that as well but she's putting content out there. She's cute, her character has charm, appeal and tons of Moe, her voice is nice.

She can do much better than that with minimal effort on her part. She could easily occupy the same niche as Rushia and Lamy and be a "healing streamer" but for that she needs to do he reps and fix her numbers, her SEO and her promotion

>>5809180
I mean, alternatively they could grow in both, but yeah, I mean what that anon is saying. Cover fled away from chink market for Coco's sake and instead of adjusting for her own and Cover's success she preferred to back out and graduated because of "muh creative freedom", squandering the opportunity Cover had given to her.

>>5809470
Get to the times, old hag. Still, it's a good song. She should play 8 hrs of Ark and build a dedicated fanbase from there like choco. Even better, if they get permissions for Rust.

>>5809470
i think i haven't ever seen a clip from aki

>>5809588
One her biggest issues is that she’s basically a ARK and MHR channel with some collabs and ASMR sprinkled in.
>>5809621
Aki and Roboco aren’t really as clippable as the rest of JP.

>>5809621
The only clip of her I ever saw recommended was that one of her crying about her numbers that got leddit to pump and dump her, those fags have an even shorter attention span than we do

>>5809539
Matsuri needs to learn too. Her cover from a few days ago has less views on it after 3 days than the first 10 mins of Kiseki Knot, Bluerose, and Coco's new covers. Aki, Roboco, and Matsuri aren't exactly big view getters or EOP favourites so I wonder if that plays a part.

>>5809603
>Cover fled away from chink market for Coco's sake
It was a matter of time, their chink operation was being more trouble and expense without living to the potential. If it was not Coco it would be something else with the same result.

All non chinese companies had to make a clear statement of allegiance in the previous 18 months
>you are either 100% committed to your chinese operation in detriment to your western operation
>or you are out of the chinese market

It happened with organized sports, it happened with the movie industry, it happened with the tech industry, it happened with the fashion industry and it was bound to happen with the streaming industry as well.

About Coco: sometimes jobs, like marriages, don't work because of "irreconcilable differences" and a friendly separation beats a rocky marriage.
- Coco is not cut to be "moe".
- Hololive Productions is unironically a "moe idol" company that pushes the boundaries just a tiny bit to stay fresh and at the top

You will be hard pressed to find any promotional material from Hololive in partnership with other companies to have the talent in any outfit other than the idol one because that's what sells in Japan: moe

>>5809127
Hal has gotten $160,000 superchat over the course of his career. If you assume he gets 50% that means $80K represents 12% of his income. If instead you use the 70% figure it's like $112k. So we have a very good range on Hal's SC income and total income. Note his channel debuted in May of 2018.

That also implies his 230M views have gotten him 68% of his income, or around $453,000 to $634,000. This represents a RPM of 2-3, which is quite good. That would imply, assuming a 50/50 split and similar pay rates that someone like Kiara with 63M views would make around $62,000 to $86,000 on ads alone. Gura with her 134M views would have earned like $125,000 to $250,000, compared to around $240,000 in superchat revenue and assuming ~20K members @ $5 each (likely an underestimate) $350,000 in membership revenue last ten months. So roughly ~$800,000 since debut, roughly $1M/year before sponsorships, merch, salary, music plays, etc.

So while SC are certainly important even for the Holo's it's a surprisingly small portion of their income. SC readings can be a slog and for someone like Ina who throws her professional income on the pile or Gura who has lots of members it not worth their time/effort to fish for them. If Gura increased her SC revenue 50% it would only increase her take home by 12% or less depending on the ancillary income streams.

>>5809709
Those three songs are from popular holos, anon and two of them is related to Coco's graduation. If you compare it to them, ofc you'd be disappointed.

>>5809709
Even if it's true now seeing Festival who was absolutely one of the biggest EOP magnets back when this was getting popular in the west mentioned along with those two shitters stings

>>5809709
>>5809771
Matsuri pretty much burned through her fanbase by obsessively playing APEX with non-holos.
Her fans have been getting tired at Matsuri continuously delaying or cancelling her non-apex streams.

>>5809766
Being in Hololive should have benefited the MV, but its like they have their own bubble within the Hololive umbrella.

>>5809766
>Those three songs are from popular holos
That's the exact point being made in general: there is no reason for Aki not to at very least strive to make herself more popular and close the gap with her peers.

Here is one of her most popular videos and the most watched in 2021 so far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58wRREr9fz4

It's her playing a Kalimba, doing ASMR, speaking a tiny bit of English and healing her audience.
It got picked up by clippers because of the "Superchat is now free" meme that pushed it a bit but even then, it could be her niche.
Anyway, all she needs is to put herself out there. Not wanting to get into rule breaking zone but: is Hololive even her primary income source?

>>5809744
>If Gura increased her SC revenue 50% it would only increase her take home by 12% or less depending on the ancillary income streams.
I'd wager that the return would be higher. I have no stats on this, but I would expect those who superchat to be more likely to become a member, more likely to buy goods, etc.
So for chuubas like Coco and Rushia (and Lamy), their goods sales are probably a huge part of their income. They have so many diehard fans that will spend their fortunes on them.

This is like the whale vs pleb model for mobile games. Do some people get the majority of their funds from some oil balons? I can see that being possible.

>>5809744
If you put that into perspective, then they are really making a lot of money from this vtubing business. Holy fuck. How did they come from graduating an entire chinese branch into becoming the top global vtuber company within a year?

>>5809603
It's more than just creative freedom, She actually gave quite abit of reasons for the graduation, and honestly I find the "starting to not enjoy streaming anymore" to be a bigger factor than creative differences.

>>5809832
>is Hololive even her primary income source?
My guess is yes. But even so: she's a dancer who is too old to do it professionally. I presume she is married. Does she even need to work hard? The current state of affairs is far beyond what she could have in any other role. Maybe this is enough for her.

>>5809744
Let's use Kiara. She has overall $708,000 in SCs. With a 30% cut, she earned $212k alone in that. The $86k you mentioned in ad revenue, that is still a greater deal. This is not adding her memberships and the sponsorship deals she gets. Sponsorships and merch will be the only thing that would give her a better pay rate given that Susan doesn't have to have a cut from that.

>>5809841
Ceteris Parabus Anon. You are confusing increasing her fanbase vs increasing SC donation from the fanbase.

>>5806994
>>tech
lol they're just paying for old tech

>>5809880
Even a measly 20% cut of the superchat pile would put her in the "Silicon Valley Senior Developer" salary range. That's a lot of money

>>5809901
I'm not - I think increasing donations is a way of growing the fanbase. How many people have donated because of the "my dog died lets gooo" clip?

>>5809880
>>5809744
Gura is the same. Her SC total is $679,931 which means a profit cut of $203,700. This is not adding her memberships and sponsorships. She has a better standing than Kiara because her ad revenue is equal or greater than her SCs because she gets more view.

>>5809880
Assuming 10K KFP at $3.5 per that's $35000 revenue per month, of which she gets $10K, or $120,000 a year. With SC and ads that's roughly $500,000/year (remember we aren't at the 1 year anniversary and Kiara hasn't had her birthday yet). Kiara is unusual in that while her overall numbers are weak for her branch she is a Superchat powerhouse, true. But it's interesting that the even for her SC is probably less than 50% of her income.

This also makes her training for SV and doing 8-10 hours of SV streams make a lot more sense. They probably had to pay her and Mori an absolute ton to make it worth her while, but a $25,000 sponsorship would be 5% of her income for the year, well worth it. Well maybe.

>>5806994
>cover is the richest!
>cover is too poor for home3D for everyone!
which is it?

>>5806571
so what is she gonna even do with that cash?

>>5810023
I think someone said her membership was somewhere around 5k.

>>5809832
Her views might be dire but she made $238k on superchats last year, even accounting for YT and Cover's portion that's a well above average income not even including memberships and merch

>>5810034
It's not whether they have the money. It's whether its worth the return on investment

>>5810068
If you are referring to the scraper numbers we know that's a drastic underestimate based on the few data points we have, notably Risu's emotes and the members in the Guracord. 10K is an estimate as is there $/member but it's at least in the rough ballpark I feel. I actually suspect the $/member is lowballing but too lazy to do currency conversions

>>5810077
anon, the set up isnt exactly expensive either, even less then noel's autistic audio set ups

>>5810034
The whole value proposition of Cover software is
>easy to setup and use software that works on off the shelf inexpensive hardware
Meaning selling the dream that their software, an iPhone and OBS is all a Jane Doe needs to become the next Fubuki or Gura with Haachama tier computer literacy

>>5810034
Home3D is not really on their priority list. It's more of a stream gimmick at this point. They're barely getting gen 0 hands for their home3d when they should already have full body tracking if wanted.
From what we can guess, they're currently working on ID/EN 3D models, all of Holostars were confirmed to get their 3D models this year (they're having their version of Holofes this year).

>>5810034
You are misunderstanding some context here. The talents are one of the richest because they get enormous money even with a 60% cut from Cover and YT. Cover itself only gets a 30% cut. Their investment money was good enough to get their tech boosted to average but any endeavours they are doing like HoloAlt and new employee hires are coming from the 30% cut which is not something they got in one go unlike the Niji investment of 17M. So that is why the progress you see are all in transitions. At least you know they are doing improvements because you see them every month

>>5810160
>holoALT
did we get anything else other then that one chapter from the gobslayer mangaka?

>>5810034
>>5810156
Also Home3D is pointless if your talents are more comfortable using their live2D avatars. I've only seen girls like Aqua and Suisei use their home3D a handful of times because they like their costumed live2Ds more.

Any mild negative criticism directed at Coco should not be taken seriously. Completely baseless and reeks of newfaggotry. You are a Zhang. Shitting on Coco makes You a Zhang. I don't make the rules. That's just the Law. Do (You)r Coco reps before barking about things you know moot about. Come July 1st we shall All kneel, even You Zhang. You will KNEEL.

>>5810240
No. At this point I think they're waiting till Coco graduates to do any major announcements.
Especially anything concerning Gen 2 and Vsinger.

>>5810073
Aki also gets sponsorships even with those numbers. That ragnarok thing and last year was her liquor deal. She's also part of the whole merch deal that Holo got for Stukumo, gachapon and that card thing. I'm assuming she going to get her own nendo too right? She's fine

>>5810245
>>5810077
>investments
>money money money
that sounds boring, where is my 3d swimsuit ringfit challenge

>>5810160
If they had business sense, they would be able to turn that 30% cut into loans or investment so that they could do things in a less piecemeal way.

>>5810308
you'd be surpised on how much money even 500average live viewers get.

>>5810240
You have to wait for that. But judging from the contract that Mizuryu Kei got, any talents they commission gets a 6 month contract. A lot of revisions happens. I know they were hiring an Art director of some sort.

>>5810308
That's mostly due to Cover making sure even the lowest performing holos get a decent amount of sponsorships and merch. It helps with their box pushing strategy and is pretty smart so they can retain their talents as much as possible.

>>5810354
I guess no amount of money bags can ever end the timers.

>>5810343
I think they already secured a major one judging by the fact that they announced 3Ds for both ID and holostars. I think they just want to keep the momentum going for their main attractions which are Hololive.

>>5810245
To add to all of that, their home 3d require a specific set up in order to not suck monkey balls. Most holos can't make full use of it due to lacking that set up so to most of the holos giving them home 3d is just little more than a gimmick they can bring out every once in awhile. It also makes it extremely difficult for them to just take their iphoine, go to a different place, and then start streaming. You can see it when Roboco and Towa too their trip together that roboco's model suddenly became alot stiffer.

Tl:DR it's a bad investment whose results are usually shittier than just using their live2d

>>5810428
nigga, it aint that expensive if even sub 300 viewer indies can afford it
having hand movement allows for far more expressive streams at a massively low cost of getting another phone.

>>5810348
Holofags don't appreciate that 500 live viewers is a ton and put you in top 0.1% of all streamers. Members, superchats, sponsorships, and don't forget Aki has non Youtube channel related content and income too. We are crying tears for Holo's that "only" make $70,000 in SC a year. Motherfucker the median household income in Japan is $30,000. People lose all perspective. Ame is actively self sabotaging and still went from poorfag to poorfag with more money than she ever dreamed of.

>>5810448
But no one actually cares about that shit. The releases are big events but using a 3d avatar is some ways is inferior to a good 2d avatar. Does it actually make those indies more money long term? It's not clear at all.

>>5810426
They raised 6m in investments in may 2020, before they truly blew up. Can’t imagine what they raised now.

>>5810448
It's not expensive for me to drop 300 dollars into the toliet and flush it down the drain but I'm still not going to do it.

>>5810470
Yeah. You can see that Cover knows that the money are pouring into these big concerts that they do. Thus you see the focus are going there while just letting the tech team do the progress that they have been doing. They have a backlog with ID and Holostars and eventually EN.

>>5810518
you mean they have priorities in their spending? their favorite host need to make ANOTHER champagne tower?

>>5810474
I hope they manage it well. You see a lot of small tech companies that gets overvalued go down the drain because of mismanagement. Even Nijisanji can get shit ton now if they decided to do another round.

>>5810451
>Holofags don't appreciate that 500 live viewers is a ton and put you in top 0.1% of all streamers.
I think every numberfag who isn't a schizo tourist trolling about Gura vs Pekora knows this. Everyone mentioned in these threads is cream of the crop in the industry. We're talking about the best of the best here so unfortunately we do need to set the standard of "good" to be higher than your average joe indie vtuber with 200 viewers.

>>5810560
Concerts, songs, licensing, permissions, all of which would get a greater return on investment than home3d which half their talents won't even use, and that's not mentioning holoAlt

>>5810538
they spend a lot less then you think anon, especially since they have empty seats due to covid.

>>5810581
>licensing, permissions
no initial investment, just a handshake on how much the parties take out of royalties
>songs
commissions aren't any more expensive then you think since even 774 can do that
>Concerts
these only stack up in price if the event goes on for SEVERAL DAYS

cover only buys it for a hot hour or two.

>>5810474
Let's put Hololive's growth in perspective: in May 2020 Pekora had fewer subs (309K) than Anya has now (328K).

Korone had fewer subs in May 2020 than Iofi had in March of 2021, 3 months ago.

Roboco and Ayame had the same number of subs (~200K)

Gen 5, EN and ID2 all didn't exist.

They got a 6M investment round at that point. They aren't even on the same planet now

>>5810583
>they spend a lot less then you think anon
I think the cost of production cannot be underestimated. Biggest cost of pretty much any commercial endeavor is
>payroll
Getting the best sound engineer in the industry, the most experienced network engineer in the industry, the best camera director, it all makes the difference between some very choppy 3D lives from Cover and their best live shows.

>>5810632
>Getting the best sound engineer
they must be getting scammed then LOL

>>5810575
Well it makes it weird when people shit on Holomen with ""low"" views with "Why didn't she work harder for Marine tier income?" Well maybe because that's not necessary? At some point people here literally just fucking larp as a corporation.

>>5810651
>they must be getting scammed then
No. That’s my exact point. They will have to spend a whole lot more money to get top talent, which they don’t have today on those specialized areas and that they pretty much winged for the most part of their history

>>5810632
They have a shit ton of open jobs right now. https://herp.careers/v1/cover
And they also do a lot of marketing in Tokyo. They do a lot of these promotional banners all over the Tokyo subway

>>5810608
>>licensing, permissions
>no initial investment
it depends on the contracts, sometimes it's abit of a tit for tat "you advertise this game and we'll let you play a bunch of other games on stream" whereas others like sony is more "You pay us x amount of money and we'll let you stream this game for a month".
>songs
they can easily cost 10 grand or more, especially if you want an Mv to go along with it. The gen 4 song costed Kanata 100k yen and that was alot cheaper than usual because she made use of her personal contacts for that. Music production isn't cheap

>>5810675
>when people shit on Holomen
Commenting on “wasted potential” is not shitting on them.

>maybe because that's not necessary?
Wishing more success for them is never a bad thing

>>5810725
damn those music producers are milking those dumb bitches then, good on them.

>>5810651
All the best sound engineers or other tech autists probably went to Niji because of probable higher salary than Cover. When Niji reached its end, they'll probably work for Cover next.

Predictions for Mio's new costume peak numbers?

https://youtu.be/2UktG3wqu4s
outfit reveal lets goooooo

>>5810754
I'll go by the last predictions of 8-12% of sub count and say around 70k, give or take 10k

>>5810746
>dumb
Don't know what you define dumb is when they could recoup that money in a week

>>5810574
Yagoo boldly claimed the company has enough funds to survive 4-5 years without making money so I think they’ll be fine.
>>5810617
It’s easy to forget just how hard Hololive blew up. They went from 100k or less youtubers to have over 15 being at 1m in the span of a year and a half.
>>5810725
Funny enough, Kiara mentioned at one point that she basically uses the money she gains from her song releases to fund itself and her next song.

>>5810785
considering how little effort they put in to these shitty original songs are, they're minmaxing their gains

>>5810754
60k

>>5810854
Let me guess, next you're going to say the only reason why Hololive original songs are widely successful is because they have a big fan base and undeserved?

>>5810746
>those music producers are milking those dumb bitches
Haha, this is a numbers thread anon, how the fuck you are commenting as if it could be gotten for cheap when the cost is well known across the history.
>Currently, the statutory mechanical royalty rate for physical formats (CDs, cassettes, LPs) and permanent digital downloads (e.g. iTunes) is 9.1¢ for songs 5 Minutes or less or 1.75¢ per minute or fraction thereof for songs over 5 Minutes.
Meaning 91 dollaridoos per 1000 CDs or digital downloads sold per song.

For streaming (Spotify, YouTube, etc)
>The rates for interactive streams (e.g. Spotify) and limited downloads (e.g. offline mode) are determined by a formula that takes into account the service type, license type, whether or not it's ad-supported, amounts paid to labels, and other factors.
>Spotify’s rate comes out to about $0.0007 per stream.
Meaning a cover getting 1M listens will set one back in compulsory licensing alone 700 bucks at the lowest rate in the market.

That doesn’t apply if you make a MV because you then need a second “synchronization license” whose cost is at the discretion of the owner of the original song.
That’s just for covering a song that someone else already made. An original song made by someone else will cost you a whole more than that in production cost and the producers will obviously ask for a share of the revenue.
Specialized work costs money because there is an unlimited amount of demand for it but only a few talented people capable of doing a good job

>>5810938
they cant just buy out that good talent then? lol

>>5809873
well yea that would be the main thing, but to my understanding wasn't that largely due to the restrictions due to cover's decided direction? That is why she started to not enjoy streaming as coco, because she couldn't do the projects she enjoyed and couldn't see herself being able to adapt to cover's direction while retaining her enjoyment.

>>5810919
>Hololive original songs are widely successful is because they have a big fan base and undeserved
Isn't that a given? "Undeserved" is subjective but the success of their music is riding on their streaming 100%. Their music does certainly come off as fairly average/mediocre overall. Gura's original song is a nice song but not 3 million views nice.

>>5810938
These threads crack me up. "Why don't artists just build their own studio, write their own lyrics, produce their own music, and animate their own videos?" All that stuff is basically free right?

>>5811068
These numbers are about right for notable but not huge indie artists and the secondary tracks of mainstream popular artists. Quality is subjective but I'm not seeing some huge gap between Reflect and those tracks.

>>5811068
Yeah, because there's bit of lore from their character/irl in the songs which made them amazing for example, Suisei's songs.

numberfags are like their sewn together with love... so I get that. But the important things that are more important than stuffing vaginas.

You know what I'm talking about.

Well, I'm talking about boys... but the important things are: boobs, ass, thighs, and calves. So I've lost about 25 lbs since my friend found me a shitload of horse porn on the internet and gave me your address.

To be honest, I was so upset to lose that many pounds in a few weeks, I stopped writing shit like this and had fun instead.

>>5807445
>you need to be a full time streamer to be a part of hololive

>>5811163
based

>>5807445
It's not sustainable, anon

>>5810779
63k at the legs reveal, looking pretty accurate.

Is her tail wrapped around her thigh? Is this awakening something in me?

>>5810779
anon-sama, I fucking kneel

>>5811259
I'm a Holofag, but you're delusional if you think Niji is in any financial trouble with their current business model. They've gone full shill the past few months and doing a bazillion sponsored streams. Even now, the most sponsored Holo is only around mid-tier in Niji when it comes to # of sponsored streams. 80% of the cast is technically dead weight, but the 20% and occasional breakout star is more than enough to sustain the company because of how low investment it is to manage a vtuber.

>>5810779
so this... this is the power of numberfags...

That’s a triple X if you include the button. Lewd

>>5811397
Correction, how low investment it is to manage a Niji* Vtuber. Anycolor is really hands off compared to Cover. IIRC the only thing they support their livers on are legal stuff and sponsorships/merch, maybe record label if you want to get into music.

>>5811492
What does Cover do for their talents?

78k

>>5811397
Niji faces the same basic problem as Hololive: there's always the risk the top end talent breaks away since the brand itself isn't as strong, and even if they stay they can use it to leverage negotiations. Tokyo Ghoul could fuck Niji severely if he wanted. There's a lot of inertia in business but at some point the gap becomes too big advertisers will start leaking to the market leader. A business in any field can never afford to be complacent, especially one as rapidly changing and fickle as vtubing.

>>5811550
>>5811542
Wow 10k really just disappeared when she reached the full reveal? That quickly?

>>5810779
seems good, 78k was the peak.

As expected, Kuzuha's e-celeb stream was broken.

>>5797162
>>5811542
Welp, another outfit reveal beats Kuzuha's record from yesterday. Doesn't take e-celebs to pass him.

>>5811068
Most holos are not very good singers and the mixing is not good enough to hide that fact most of the time. Niji has much better mixing so even their worst singers sound good.

what is the current prediction for coco's graduation stream?

>>5811553
I’m not too privy on Nijisanji business but what is their long term model?
It seems currently that sponsorships and selling merch while trying to showcase their 3D is their current model.

>>5811651
23.57 million, the entire population of Taiwan.

>>5811651
around 150k was the most agreed upon

>>5811716
It will be huge but Gura just has the EN language fanbase and sub count advantage. It will also be in Japanese/Japanese time zone which will be a big filter for a lot of people.

>>5811581
anon, dont you see how any of this works already?

>>5811525
>What does Cover do for their talents?
Honestly not much different from what I've heard. They have a studio for Holomems to use, but I think Anycolor probably provides the same services. Cover is more hands on with their talents tho, such as content restriction, needing to ask managers for permissions to do things...etc. I also think Cover puts more focus on the average holomem than Niji does on the average Nijiliver because there's less holomembers.
If you're in Hololive, things like multiple costumes, 3D debut/live opportunities, sponsorships are basically guaranteed.
If you are just another Nijiliver with around 100k subs, you'll get a costume and 3D debut (might take a while tho because of backlog), but you'll probably be a forgotten child because of how many livers there are. Niji has a habit of prioritizing their favourite children (Kuzuha, Mito, Kanae, Kenmochi) for sponsorships.

>>5811716
Feeling it'll be around that range too cause the time isn't that good for westerners unlike Gura's outfit reveal which happens in the morning of Japan.

>>5811763
I know there is always a drop, but I didn't expect it to be so quick and sharp.

Someone redpill me on this guy. How are his numbers so crazy when he doesn't even have 1m subs? He really makes everyone in Nijisanji and Hololive seem like a failure.

>>5811177
Ayame is the exception not the rule. If you debut in Hololive right now. You will get flak if you don't stream atleast 2-3 times a week or put out consistent content like covers. And Ayame is fine because she just did Tubeout and released covers that got millions of views.

>>5797162
Wolf Mama is strong.

>>5811553
Hololive is just 30 chuubas, half of them are not all that much more relevant than your average successful niji and at least 5 of them are having a mehera breakdown at any given time. They target specific demographics and are barred from the Chinese market. There is only so much sponsorship work you can get done with them.

>>5811801
you should've seen gura's went from 190k to 100k so fast

>>5811764
Doesn't Cover also provide their services to other vtubers? Like I'm pretty sure I read that Amai Hiyo's 3d streams are there.

>>5811810
look at his face, who would resist watching him?

>>5811764
nijisanji basically doesn't give a fuck about their talents beyond the baseline. They get a live2d model, a social media presence, and that's basically it. If they want anything else like new outifts, 3d models, etc etc, they've got to push for it themselves. In a way nijisanji is less of a company and more like a vtuber union

>>5811651
Tbqh most people here underestimate Coco's appeal to tourists or something. There's no way Coco's graduation concert stream is only twice of Mio(!)'s costume reveal. Take it from a nijinigger, I'd guess somewhere near 200k peak live viewers or more. If tomorrow's Lulu graduation stream has more, it'll be more.

>>5811810
There is nothing to brag about. He is your typical twitch streamer dude but in YouTube. It's the same thing as asking why Pekora doesn't get the same numbers as Pokimane.

>>5811581
For Gura's costume reveal, she conjured 70k people in 10 minutes when teasing the outfit and then 40k vaporized the moment her outfit was fully revealed. That's just how outfit reveals work. Niji outfit reveals get 1/3rd the numbers, without the big peak.

>>5811810
No wonder he's Pekora's boyfriend

First I will apologize for the long post, please skip it if you're not interested.

I counted some numbers for Shibuya Hal from 2020/06/28 ~ 2021/06/28 >>5805935
(Data taken from https://playboard.co/en/channel/UChLfthKoUV502J7gU9STArg))
Number of Video Upload only vids = 258
Total of Video Upload only vids views = ~42.729M views
Number of Livestream = 716
Total of Livestream (VOD) views = ~118.204M views
Total of superchat on livestream = 13,548,614 Yen

So for the interesting point :
- Calculating using the number of SCs gained and we get ~53,017,281 Yen for his Ad Revenue.
Interestingly here, As I've translated back on >>5806822 , Hal himself said that the income he got from Video Upload only views trump those coming from Livestream views, so those 258 vids and 42.729M views, the lesser number, is apparently contributing more than the 716 vids and ~118.204M views.

- Let's compare this number to for example Rushia. Rushia got lifetime views of 86,984,950, which after substracted by ~8.924M of Video Upload only views will bring it to ~78M of Livestream (VOD) views. From this number alone we can already see it's below Hal's VOD views, so she's definitely making less than ~53M Yen from Ad Revenue. Now looking at her SCs, she got lifetime SCs of 260,436,905 Yen. Assuming talents only get 35% of that value (30% goes to YT, then 50% of the remaining goes to Cover) then she gets ~91M Yen from SCs. So Rushia is one of the talent that definitely have SC as their main income.

- Now let's compare it to Pekora. Pekora got lifetime views of 205,626,749, where ~13.5M of it came from Video Upload only vids and bringing her Livestream (VOD) views into ~192M views. The hard part begins here. According to Hal, ~42M of Video Upload views > ~118M of VOD views. Now does ~13.5M of Video Upload views < ~192M of VOD views? I hope someone can give their opinion for this one. Now we look at her SCs, she got lifetime SCs of 176,662,720 Yen. Using the 35% assumption above she gets ~61M Yen from SCs. So depending on the number of views calculation, Pekora could be one of the talent that have Ad Revenue and SCs neck and neck.

Conclusion : Ad Revenue is hell of a drug. Pekora is 3rd in lifetime SC amount, raking ~176M Yen from it alone, but after all the cuts she 'only' gets ~61M Yen from it, which is 'just' ~8M more from the Ad Revenue Shibuya Hal got in the span of a year. I'm sure if put the range wider then Shibuya Hal would've made more in Ad Revenue than that lifetime SCs of Pekora.
Kinda make you wonder why these Vtubers aren't uploading more Video Upload only vids.

For everyone who read it, hope you have a good day.

>>5811810
>>5811895
samefag

>>5811882
>It's the same thing as asking why Pekora doesn't get the same numbers as Pokimane.
Pekora gets better live viewer numbers than Pokimane tho. Pokimane just streams all day so she has more watched hours.

20k is like Gura/Marine/Miko level.
https://twitchtracker.com/pokimane

Jun is like 50-80k range. He's huge even by Twitch standards.

>>5811827
They get more international deals. Recently Marine just shilled a korean game. Red bull and Microsoft. Honestly, there are too many to list at this point the number of local jp companies they are shilling. China is not the only market.

>>5811938
Jesus christ that Amelia Watson thing was truly the hand of god at work.

>>5811852
>take it from a nijinigger

>>5811904
Why do video uploads get that much more ad revenue compared to livestreams?

>>5811938
Large multinationals weren't going to hand out big sponsorships to HoloEN immediately. They want multiple quarters of numbers and projections before they invest anything beyond a token in such a campaign. There's just a lot of lead time built into corporate deals. Be interesting to revisit the sponsorship picture near the end of this calendar year though.

>>5811972
I... don't know. Shibuya Hal is the one saying it and since I don't own a channel I won't ever be able to know.

>>5811984
I know they are still hiring someone for international client relations so there's that. They need to fill a whole department to be able to consistently keep up with the shill requests overseas.

>>5811904
You're mistaking things, anon. Stream views dont give as much money because sometimes they dont have any ads, I don't know why. But if you watch the Vod of the same stream, it will have ads, and so it will pay more. You cant simply count all stream-videos views on the live-viewed category.

>>5811851
That's basically what they are. Your income and success is far more guaranteed in Hololive if you're a vtuber, but Holo is alot more selective, demands far higher commitment, restricts alot more content, and also requires you to be a female. If one of these things don't suit you then Nijisanji is the place.

>>5811972
Not sure what you mean? Live streams on youtube make exactly 0 dollars since there are no ads. Views are all that matter on that platform.

>>5812050
hololive is like the spartans of vtubing

>>5811936
It's still the same comparison. Local streamer vs niche vtuber. I mean it's honestly weird that the comparison isn't about Kuzuha and Jun. Pekora should be compared to someone like Valkyrae

>>5812073
When you open the livestream on your phone or without ad blocks, you do get ads.

>>5811764
>Niji has a habit of prioritizing their favourite children (Kuzuha, Mito, Kanae, Kenmochi) for sponsorships.
Kurusu Natsume: 104k subs, 670 average viewers, 2 sponsored streams since 2020
Yukishiro Mahiro: 119k subs, 250 average viewers, 4 sponsored streams since 2019
Aki Rosenthal: 533k subs, 2,500 average viewrs, 1 sponsored stream since 2018
Yozora Mel: 548k subs, 2,000 average viewers, no sponsored streams since 2018

>>5812073
There can be an add that plays at the start of a live stream or when you just open one up. Still far less than the amount of adds a normal 10 minutes video might have

Kuzuha Amogus VOD already beat Pekora's Usaken VOD in views

>>5812129
Sure but even a huge stream with 100K viewers is generating a tiny number of impressions compared to the multiple ads in the VOD with 1M views.

>>5812166
STOP THE COUNT

>>5811852
I agree with this anon. Lulu graduation won't break any record in live viewers as her average stream are about ~5-6k pre-graduation announcement and her live viewers post-graduation announcement are about ~15k, my prediction would be about ~100k peak and avg about ~90k. No idea about superchat though, since Nijifans are wildcards in special occasions.

>>5812084
It's not really like that. It's expected for the girls to collab with one another. So exposure is guaranteed. It's not a struggle right off the bat. You can expect live viewers minimum of 1k-3k regularly. What you do to keep the interest is the problem that a lot encounter.

>>5811651
depends if the tourists willing to stay for an hour. Both of these have similar views at the end but one peaked 194k.

>>5812035
I did consider that to have an effect also for Ad Revenue on VODs, but
>単価が動画に比べて低い
Shibuya Hal explicitly told that however much the value of a VOD view it is definitely lower than the value of a Video Upload only view.

>>5812088
Pekora gets more avg live viewers than Valkyrae as well. Difference falls to how many hours they stream a day, again.
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UC1DCedRgGHBdm81E1llLhOQ
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCWxlUwW9BgGISaakjGM37aw
As for avg views, that site is a dumbass and counts her short videos for that exploded numbers, but you can scroll down to see that her actual lives get around 500k views each.

>>5812154
Aki had that liquor. Both Mel and Aki got to be in that big 1st gen concert. I'm pretty sure that net them a shit ton of money more than sponsorships. Both are part of all the sponsorship deals that cover got like Lawsons, Stukomo, and gachapon. Not to mention Aki did show up on a tv show with Matsuri.

>>5811060
I think the unfortunate reality was that once Cover became too big too fast, it was a double whammy from youtube randomly deleting their stuff + the copyright debacle and the permissions arc that Cover decided to go full idol. Because stuff like Swimsuit streams and Asacoco only work if youtube isn't targeting you. This is probably why Coco isn't criticizing Cover because that's the only viable path open for them in this environment. Also why Coco is very carefully not mentioning ANYTHING about youtube problems, despite there being a lot of them.
Nijisanji can still get away with it because most of their audience is JOP, and relatively small compared to Hololive. Also the crowd of haters that report this type of stuff haven't found Niji yet.

>>5812176
My guess is that Coco grad's peak number will be at least twice whatever's Lulu number. Kinda unreasonable putting lower estimation for a Holo girl with over double subs, a radicalized loyal fanbase, and popularity among tourists.

>>5812255
So that means Pekora is doing well for herself as a female streamer. Jun should be compared to Kuzuha.

>>5812176
probably 30k-40k like gibara. gibara didnt break that many views and shes more popular than lulu
>250k likes

>>5812176
Gibara's graduation was 35k

>>5812286
*double of Lulu's subs

>>5812202
>similar views
one is double the views than the other..

>>5812280
Yeah, Cover got big too fast. They achieved an all new peak back in may to august, but the sudden arrival of HoloEN blew everything out of the water and they need to take safer steps moving on. That's why they're on a hiring spree .

>>5812305
>>5812313
Oh yea, i forgot that it's not like 3D debut where people would just check for fun.

>>5812294
She's already top 4 female streamer last year. Kuzuha is nothing compared to other male streamers.

Is danganronpa a debuff game?

>>5812154
Yes, anon we know Anycolor has always been ahead of Cover in the sponsored stream game.

I'm talking about Kuzuha with 27, Kanae with 27, Kizuku having 24, Saku with 19, and Himawari with 28. I mean it's nice that some of the smaller Nijis get the scraps from when Niji signs a 20 liver sponsorship deal with a chinese gacha game, but for every 2 low sub Niji that get a handful of sponsored streams, there's 10 that won't get any scraps.

Aqua has only had 4 sponsored streams since 2018, and 2 of them were very recent. Marine has only had 5. Botan and Pekora are leading all holos with 13 and 12 sponsored streams respectively. Clearly Cover is behind and Aki and Mel will have to wait for their turn after the bigger holos, but it will happen eventually.

>>5812294
Valkyrae is literally the top female streamer in the world. If you want to keep the consistency, you should compare Kuzuha to someone like Xqc, or auronplay

>>5812154
We actually know how sponsorships work at least on the EN side.
There’s a list of sponsorships the girls can take and they can choose whether or not they want it (this is why Ame has so few), unless the sponsor specifically wants a certain person (Scarlet Nexus with Mori and Gura and Shadowverse with TakaMori).

>>5812418
isn't it basically a vn? Sounds like absolutely a debuff game.

>>5812418
pretty much, everyone and their grandma has already played it and it's more if a VN than a game so it wont help any streamer gain audience, at least that's what I think

>>5812409
pekora is third and tied for second on this year's

>>5812305
Jeez these Niji twitter numbers are so insane. For comparison, Coco's graduation tweet had 163k likes and only like 30k or so retweets.
That "Nijisanji" topic doing wonders for attracting tourists, especially if only 40k showed up to her final stream.

This is surprising to me. Why are real ethot streamers able to get so many more of their subscribers watching their videos?

>>5812442
>Marine has only had 5
lol now I see you're full of bullshit

>>5812526
Tits and ass

>>5812501
Pokimane getting beaten by a rabbit kek. How is Valkyrae doubling them both though. She plays among us all the time right?

>>5812501
I've no idea who the other 4 are, you could call them literal whos

>>5811651
Taiwan buff is real. If her graduation ends up on a national news broadcast. We're talking millions watching. Might even set a realistically unbeatable record for years to come. Bet. I'm never wrong.

>>5812526
Most people aren't weeb

>>5812526
Anon, Valkyrae's yt channel is full of clips. She probably has an editor that clips all the fun parts of her streams. That's why it's easier to watch her vods as compared to sitting hours watching her. Ame's idea of hiring an editor could be a breakthrough that HoloEN needs.

>>5812526
Don't they post highlights there instead of streams. It's like as if holos had all that clips on their own channels instead of everywhere else.

>>5812526
scroll down for her actual live views. Playboard seems to count her short edited skit videos for that avg.

>>5812526
Seeing her channel I'm just seeing short VODs. Livestreaming tends to attract fewer viewers in general, and not many people want to watch >1hour VODs either.

>>5812526
Look at her recent videos, they're all ~20 minute highlight reels. The real question is why Hololive doesn't make those for their streamers

>>5812526
Valkyrae has highlight videos as her main videos on her channel and those get millions of views (mostly among us highlights). Her stream VODs are kept in a playlist and the views on those are very similar to Pekora, and less than Gura's streams.

>>5811810
Jun-chan is an honorary holomember. He detests Nijisanji like no other. Even going as far as seeking his audience of loyal dogs to harass nijilivers. Man's a legend. A Pekora × Jun-chan collab would break records.

>>5812529
>lol now I see you're full of bullshit
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCCzUftO8KOVkV4wQG1vkUvg/ad

See for yourself. Where are you finding other sponsored streams for Marine?

>>5812526
this
>>5812613
thats why ame is doing it too.

>>5812612
They occasionally do when they can't stream like Suisei that one time and Miko. They have a whole community of YT clippers in multiple languages that does this for them

>>5811824
Even with celebrity guests Kuzuha couldn't beat Mio costume stream. Pathetic.

>>5812653
I really fucking hope it’s a success. I don’t like watching 10 clips with most of them clipping the same exact shit.

>>5812526
Looking at some others:

>Luna
VERY LOW, 15.6% of subscribers
>Matsuri
VERY LOW, 12.2% of subscribers
>Coco
LOW, 37.9% of subscribers
>Korone
VERY LOW, 20% of subscribers

That Luna number is pretty shocking. I thought her fans were dedicated. That means that despite having low subs (for hololive), more of them are dead subs than usual.
Matsuri makes sense because she keeps debuffing herself. Korone pretty normal - 20-25% seems to be the average.
You can really see what Cover is losing with Coco. 37.9% must be the highest in hololive.

>>5812590
>Ame's idea of hiring an editor could be a breakthrough that HoloEN needs.
It's true that this is a great idea, but it isn't novel. Marine and Kiara have done it a few times. Haneru 774 either has an editor or does it herself, but her channel is full of her clips.

>>5812653
Ame streams so infrequently that she needs to hire an editor so that her channel won't look dead. She tends to spam her streams so that her quota won't look shit every week.

>>5812636
lol you I already knew you didn't watch her but basing your "facts" on playboard stats is beyond stupid. A lot of channels at youtube do sponsored videos without enabling that "contains paid promo" thing.

>>5812280
Funnily enough, part of the crowd of haters that report this stuff actually are JOP niji fans. There's a small minority of them that absolutely detest hololive, you'll see it in instances such as segregation in 2ch threads, where Nijisanji livers are allowed to be discussed in a general vtuber thread while hololive is banned. Or when drama pops up over things like singing im@s songs, streaming the ending of a game or BL doujins, the people fanning the flames turn out to be following mainly Nijisanji on Twitter. An upstart rival that suddenly gets good numbers will always be hated.

>>5812166
Pekora's stream had a lot of bots that youtube cleaned out. The same thing will happen to Kuzuha.

>>5812767
didnt it just drop from 1M to 990k?

>>5812731
>A lot of channels at youtube do sponsored videos without enabling that "contains paid promo" thing.
Don't just talk shit, anon. List me the streams, show me examples. I used playboard because the anon I replied to was also using playboard's stats. If you have proof that Marine has been doing multiple sponsored streams over the years, I'll love to see it. And fuck you, I do watch Marine.

>>5812442
Hmm anon, I think it's actually better to count sponsored streams per sponsor, as opposed to per stream. Since for example, the GnG stream of Pekora, she got 4 promoted tagged streams. But let's say if she finished it in one stream, wouldn't the promotion end right there? Counting it per sponsor is more accurate in my opinion.
Also as with >>5812529 pointed out, that site only counts streams with 'paid promotion' tag as sponsored streams. That feature itself wasn't even on YT until recently. Like for example, Pekora finished her GnG on her 5th stream, that doesn't get tagged as 'paid promotion' stream for whatever reason even though the previous 4 did. Also Marine had sponsored stream with WoWs, if you remember it, that wasn't shown there since it was before the tag was a thing. Aqua also had the Molly Online collab together with Shion, but also not shown there, similar case of the tag not even existing back there.
In conclusion, basing how many shills they got from that site is inaccurate.

>>5812718
>You can really see what Cover is losing with Coco. 37.9% must be the highest in hololive.
I'm pretty sure Ayame is the highest, but haven't checked for a while. Shion might be pretty high too.

Quick question for deadbeats and DotF fans, do you see Zero Two in Mori?

>>5812813
Pewdiepie has 12 paid promo videos on playboard, lol

>>5812718
>Coco
Has short clips plus stuff like Asacoco and meme review boosting her views. Check her regular streams, they're not very high at all in terms of views. If Cover wanted higher average views they'd start to push for each channel to do short clips and highlight videos.

>>5812857
Welp, this was supposed to be for Global. Ignore this.

>>5812834
Don’t forget all the NND sponsored streams as well.

>>5812570
That's a reach and a half.

Is Aki the only holo to have her channel name in japanese? アキロゼCh。

Everyone else I can think of has the english shortform at the start.

>>5812890
Ah yes, knew I was forgetting something else. Thanks for pointing it out anon.

>>5812935
Fubuki also does

>>5812834
A lot of hololive sponsorships also don't involve any streams but merchandise marketing (Famimart stuff) or appearances on other channels. Off the top of my head, Aki, Mel and the holostars were appearing on Bushiroad's channel to promote their stuff and hololive's biggest sponsorship of last year, Curry Meshi, didn't actually have any paid promotion streams on the holos' own channels.

>>5812954
Botan and Aquas biggest sponsor this year, Redbull, requires them to use their layout for streaming but no sponsorship tag.

>>5812813
You're a fucking dumbass. Coco literally had a Yakuza sponsored stream within a month of debut yet playboard doesn't have it listed. Why? Because it wasn't marked as sponsored. That's all there is to it.

>>5812834
Thank you for actually listing examples. The reason I used Playboard was because that's what the other anon used in the post I replied. If everyone's data was inaccurate to begin with, then this whole chain has been a waste of time. Doesn't change my original statement that the most popular Nijis get most of sponsored streams tho.

>>5812954
>>5812994
Yeah, there are a lot of shills that just aren't tracked by that website. Hope others aren't using it for that purpose anymore.

>>5812856
You're right. Here are the top 5:

>Ayame
54.4%
>Shion
42.7%
>Aqua
39.9%
>Coco
37.9%
>Marine
30.4%

Gen 2 really dominate in terms of dedicated viewers. You may be able to say that for Ayame and Aqua it is because of the song covers they have uploaded, but Shion isn't really notable for that.

>>5813095
Subaru is just below Marine, with 29.6%. Choco falls below the average at 17.5%.

>>5813050
I already said that I only used Playboard because the anon I replied to was using Playboard's stats. Not my fault when he was already using faulty data, but my bad I guess for assuming he wasn't retarded. Sorry I didn't go through every vtuber to make sure every sponsored stream was counted first.

>>5813095
>>5813151
Gen 2 confirmed to have the most loyal fanbase.

>>5812718
Luna's fans are dedicated. It takes some dedication to become a nnaaatard. Her subs are not her fans though, most of them are just the yonkisei quota.

it's happening

Too bad premieres don't count towards VNUMA, but this premiere of Coco interview Yagoo is probably going to get mad numbers.

>>5813573
just screencap the max and post it later

So does anybody think that Coco can beat the Wolf Mama? It is still growing

>>5813892
Doubt it'll get much higher than this

>>5814267
It's still growing because she didn't say what it actually was and people are still finding out and tuning in, the ceiling depends on how much longer it goes on for

>>5814267
>every time he giggles it goes up another 1k

>>5814341
The thing ends in 5 minutes though

>>5814387
how do you know that?

>>5814267
66k

THE FINAL YAB

>>5812759
damn, why do nijiniggers have to ruin everything..

HOLOCOPE AND HOLOSEETH

>>5812632
which niji he brokemind?

Gura passed Kizuna in subs
Is now the worlds biggest vtuber
Kizuna is fucking dead and crying
>LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>5811068
>Gura's original song is a nice song but not 3 million views nice.
3 million views is fucking nothing. It looks big but only because VTubers are midgets in comparison with the rest of the entertainment industry

>>5811068
Yeah, her song is now 4 million views nice.

Henry stickmin: buff
Danganropa: debuff
AmongUs: buff
Micra SSR collabs: buff for the involved parties
Whatever Okayu does: whatever

>>5816175
pekora is reclining...

Btw, Coco interview with Yagoo provided a nice numeric comparison
>the CEO of Cover makes less money than at least one of the talents
https://youtu.be/PqTA58UkGkA

His salary may be public information, that should be enough to establish what’s the pay Holos are taking home

>>5816175
>Henry stickmin: buff
eeeh depends, from what i remember Peko and someone else had worse views with it. think the theory back then was that people with a lot of EOP viewers get a buff from it

>>5812526
What page is this?

>>5806822
>>5811904
So VOD views are actually the most important factor?

>>5807346
So he gets more money from uploaded highlights video compared to streamed vod.... hmmmmm

>>5816355
I have the data now to do the analysis (but sadly not the time) so I’ll speculate: Pekora has a baseline of JOP viewers that gets supplemented with her Micra streams by lots of EOP (increasing her numbers).
When she do EOP appreciated content like that she loses more JOP than she gets EOP, debuffing her

>>5816410
People have been saying that since the beginning.
YouTube is a video platform not a livestreaming platform.

>>5809744
See >>5816553

Anya currently has fewer viewers than both homos streaming that are streaming lmao

>>5816553
Only because those get more views
Views are views for YouTube, vods have a shorter lifespan in general so old vods generate less views, but the total daily view number should determine ad income.

>>5816357
I just took screenshots of each page on playboard

>>5816816
Check hals ch, his stream vod and clip vod doesnt not seem to have that much difference in numbers
>the total daily view number should determine ad income.
What are you implying??

>>5817033
Daily views, specially when there's no stream, give a good idea of how many ad revenue they got in that day.
And if I'm not mistaken, YouTube also shows ads when you start watching a livestream, so even the views gained during the livestream should count towards ad revenue.
The only reason vods don't generate as much is because not everyone goes back to watch those, but people do go back to watch old highlight videos.

>>5812678
>They have a whole community of YT clippers in multiple languages that does this for them
Yeah and all that sweet ad revenue is going to a bunch of SEA monkeys who barely speak Japanese or English and intentionally clickbait and take stuff they say out of context

>>5816355
Pekora is the "minecraft streamer" so if she plays any other game her viewership drops by alot. The only exceptions are her weekend RPG games.

>>5817603
Danganronpa is an EOP filter