/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>57842519
/asp/ Commandments
>1. Are you a girl or a boy?
It is not of our concern.
>2. Are you a babi or a femboy?
It is not of our concern.
>3. Did you guys see the aspie numbers?
It is not of our concern.
>4. Did you see what twitter/discord is saying?
Thou shalt not waste time on their foul words.
>5. The baiters are insulting your aspies!
Thou shalt not waste time on their foul words.
>6. Hey guess what I heard from /asp/cord!
Thine words do not belong in this temple.
>7. You guys should quit...
Thou shalt not.

Therefore I declare this thread, sanctified.

Another worthless thread great job faggot

>>57842853
Amen

>>57842959

Responding to this since previous thread 404d
>>57841556
I said you can ignore it, or mute/ban/block someone if they're a nuisance. Do that and move on. Don't take to Twitter to angrily 'vent' about your audience TO your audience. This is rule 2 in the sticky. If this is "the worst advice" to you, then anon, I...
Anyways I'm failing rule 3 by even responding, so this is my final word on it. General advice, practice good PR and at least pretend you like the people who give you the time of day. be frendry

https://voca.ro/16Zu9oRZnBOg

>>57843179
have cownfeedence!

I'm a chibi

>>57842853
AMEN!

>>57842853
amen.

Why do the newfags like Camui and Layla treat this thread like their personal diary?
I don't think we've had people this annoying in the thread since Haru, but even Haru wasn't this obnoxious or egotistical.
The curious part is how Camui and Layla are on opposites sides. Layla is the vtweeter type that Camui keeps shittalking about, and Camui is the type of person to talk shit about other vtubers that made Layla make that tweet that went viral.

>>57842519
oh hey, it's me

>>57843968
the thread are dying anyways so I don't really mind, in time they will either stop self-posting or go full schizo

>>57843968
Probably because the Fortune discord was made and so people actually had a place to talk in instead of just being in this thread all day.

>>57843968
>>57844292
>>57844384
angry crab

I'm GOING to yank Haru's tail.

>>57845100
And I'm going to YANK Haru's tail.

>>57843968
the seasons cycle. the wheel spins in place. nothing is truly new.

>>57843968
If the post you're talking about is the one about her singing, I actually had commented on that before I ever posted on /asp/, and I encouraged her! I told her to keep going and that there's a charm to not being perfect at something. The post she made wasn't arrogant or berating others. Those are the types of vtweeters I take issue with. Layla comes across as gentle and kind, I really can't see her spending hours at a time shitting out tweet after tweet
>EW PARASOCIAL CREEPS GIVE ME THE ICK STOP TRAUMADUMPING ON ME EW MY DMS ARE NOT YOUR DIARY SIS VTUBING IS NOT A DATING SITE STOP SEXUALIZING VTUBERS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DRAW ME THIS WAY STOP BEING PARASOCIAL *writes opinion post repeating the same line over and over*
You see the difference between this and Layla, right?

>>57845571
Eggshells and fine glassware

>>57845946
Kingsnake and coral snake. Both are snakes. Both are red. One is poisonous.

>>57843968
What does it mean to be a "vtweeter type"?

I find this kinda weird because I literally only joined twitter when I created the Leolayla account. So I don't know much about it at all. (I don't have it irl, I created it to contact artists at first and now to share content and stuff)

>>57846216
And you're 10 ply

>>57846292
At the end of the day, we all exist to mop up someone else's shit...

>>57846408
Born to shit forced to wipe

>>57846408
Tires not paper zoomer

>>57846216
And one eats the other!

>>57845571
>>EW PARASOCIAL CREEPS GIVE ME THE ICK STOP TRAUMADUMPING ON ME EW MY DMS ARE NOT YOUR DIARY SIS VTUBING IS NOT A DATING SITE STOP SEXUALIZING VTUBERS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DRAW ME THIS WAY STOP BEING PARASOCIAL *writes opinion post repeating the same line over and over*
No one has ever said that.
And you are allowed to feel uncomfortable about being sexualized.

Would be a real shame if you guys fed a bunch of drama to tabloid posting schizos for literally no benefit to yourselves.

>>57847199
Watching the ex wrestler/musician/youtuber crash and burn is gonna be fun.

>>57846500
Pic
>>57846559
Thanks, or fuck you I guess
>>57847033
The eternal oroboros of self suck
>>57847037
>No one has ever said that
Not in one singular post, no, but sprinkling these little verbal dingleberries across their entire page, yes

>>57847295
If you're gonna anti me, I'd appreciate if you also used my name so that people are directed to my channel and also please hate watch my stuff.

>>57847451
In the thread? Everyone who uses it is already aware of who I am talking about.

>>57847614
They are? Yay! I'm making it!

I'm redebuting with a buff tomboy design. I'm not pussying out anymore.

whatever happened to argiepire

>>57849268
She makes YouTube videos

>>57845100
I already did. Wouldn't recommend it

>>57848893
Stop Alva, I hoped you will come back and everything will be the same...Guess someone tought you the joys of anal sex...

>>57849581
Genuinely what the fuck are you saying

>>57848893
Okay but Professor oak is required to know

>>57849616
He's saying prepare for rape

>>57848893
And you're a girl?

>>57849268
Bf keeping her busy

>>57846272
VTweeters are "VTubers" that don't actually stream or produce content, they just tweet all day and are "pre-debut" indefinitely.

>>57849581
I changed my mine, bring back the blog posting instead of this stupid shit

>>57849879
This is why I refuse to acknowledge I'm a vtuber on my profile untill My model is done.

>>57849879
Ah ok, I'm not that tho. I create content, just not on Twitch.

In fact I only had attention on Twitter because people started insulting me for making bad content (I'm just starting and need to practise tho).

i like the idea of streaming but can't bring myself to do it

>>57851797
The secret about being a vtuber nobody mentions is that it really sucks at first

>>57851905
won't you just be streaming to an empty room? how do you know when to start talking?

>>57852022
>won't you just be streaming to an empty room?
Not if you post link!

>>57852022
I practised what would be like streaming to no viewers the other day in a video. You just comment and talk on your own as if people were watching. You say your thoughts about the game or what you are doing outloud or talk about your day/week, your hobbies, idk.

I made a short. Please laugh.
https://youtube.com/shorts/r0pIt0qOU_0

>focus on a proper career and work up to a $200k salary by 40
or
>vtube, for a chance at glory, but if I fail I'm forever behind in my career
kowai

>>57852457
I'm already way behind in life at the ripe old age of twenty-four...looks like vtubing is my only chance.

>>57852457
Budget time and money accordingly so you can do both.
Come on guys, people who do photography spend $10K for no profit, and y'all are shaking over $3K.

>>57852457
Get the money anon.

>>57852535
I started at 30, everyone thinks I'm young

>>57852022
I feel like Lets Plays are a dead genre (or at least, one on life support) but if you're gonna be streaming into the void you should probably look to them for inspiration moreso than some holo chuuba with ten thousand people in their chat.

>>57852457
i make 150k a year at 30 and manage to also be a vtuber just as a fun hobby, you can do both friend

>>57852022
Just be funny.

>>57852421
>talk about your day/week
Do not do this. I see so many 0views talking about their job or paying their goddamn taxes and then I do not wonder why they have no views. If you're gonna talk about nothing, you may as well go on an insane schizo rant about something innocuous or mundane, at least thats funny.

>>57854609
Yeah and desu if your life is really so interesting that anyone would want to actively hear about it, you probably aren’t a streamer because you have better shit going on.

I want to ask some questions!
1- How much did you spend on your art?
2-How much did you spend on your rig?
3-Was it worth it?

>>57854823
Nothing
Nothing
No

>>57852022
Entertain yourself. Speak your thoughts out loud and make jokes for yourself to laugh.
Viewers might stay or put you in the background if they hear you having a good time.

Woke up to 1.8k views on a YouTube short and five new subscribers. Am I… am I GMI?
Clip for context: https://youtube.com/shorts/guTamOzrlOU?feature=share

>>57855061
godspeed, edgyboy.

>>57854823
Nothing
Nothing
Yes

ECW announcement for this episode. It does overlap this weekend's divegrass a little bit but I moved up the starting hour to compensate. This week wraps up the title tournament.

>>57854823
A lot
Some
Yeah

>>57854823
$1k
None yet
No

>>57855262
Thanks, anon. I knew becoming a PNG/VShorter would have some benefits. The orc was right. Aspies need to clip moar.

>>57854823
Good model and rig is somewhere between $500-1K, depending on whether it's half-body/fullbody.
Worth depends on what value you want out of it, noone can determine that but yourself.

Eternal darn-nation awaits you in Doom 2 awoomfies...
In 15 minutes we finish off the rest of the demons who have come to Earth (don't look at me, I'm Innocent)
https://www.twitch.tv/harumizukich

>>57852457
200k is not a lot these days, I'm 23 and currently make 165k/yr and it feels like I'm barely scraping by. It's kind of rough but working on my debut is a good distraction. I would get a job first so you have something to distract yourself from though.

I find it incredibly funny that a vtweeter got assblasted into a seething shoot that’s spanned multiple threads. This new wave of /asp/ies is based beyond belief

The child? Mine.

>>57849865
Yes.

>>57856338
- Me when Coco reveals she's pregnant

>>57856579
That child? Me.

>>57856313
Anon I used to be comfortable with $20k a year, are you married with 4 children?

>>57855947
I impregnated haru.

>>57856313
>165k/yr and it feels like I'm barely scraping by
Nigga what the fuck are you pissing away your money on?
I can survive with 1500 usd a month just fine and have enough leftover to save, in the ass end of jersey.

>>57856313
Californian detected

What are some good overlays to have starting off? Just chat, some alerts & Latest X tracker?

>>57857322
No trackers, those are trash and will unironically kill your growth just starting.
Your chat is the only thing that matters.

>>57857447
It does feel awkward having the same latest follower for 5 streams

>>57854609
It's all about framing and delivery. There are absolutely people who could be entertaining while talking about their taxes, but most people can't. It's a better bet to choose a more interesting topic in the first place.

Would it be a cardinal sin if I didn’t have an on-screen chat?

>>57852535
24 in 2023? it's not even fair to say your lifespan will be measured in centuries. take care of yourself and you will live indefinitely

>>57854609
I was more referring to interesting things you did in your day/week. Like, cool places you visited, nice food you tried, a new movie/series you watched, how you are preparing for Halloween, the new thing you're gonna add to your collection, a cool game you saw on sale. Idk... exciting stuff that is kinda related to the interests of your audience too... I think people can be interested in stuff like that.

I can't believe I'm older than all of you... it's actually hilarious

>>57854823
>100 euro
>542 sek
>Yeah, I think the most important thing is getting yourself started and without a model I wouldn't have started streaming or known whether it was worth it to invest any more than that.

>>57855061
Let's fucking GOOO HYDEMAN!!!

>>57855688
Congrats, anon! The sky is the limit!

You are actually motivating me to start making the clips I should do this week. Thank you for sharing your success! I hope you have a lovely day!

>>57858428
are you sure?

>>57858710
pretty sure I'm at least older than more than half of you

>>57855061
Deprave the gluttons of nourishment, Ed-chama! Their access to sustenance hinges on your mercy!

>>57858837
The majority of /asp/ies are 23-ish, are you 40?

>>57858990
no, but I am way older than 23

it always fucks me up when I realize a lot of the chuubas I hang out with are in their early 20's, especially since I'm turning 30 soon.

Be honest has anyone here ever actually tried botting their views or follower counts before?
Did it end up doing anything for you long term?

>>57859177
I’ve never had the guts to try it, since if you get caught it’s an automatic DQ from the partnership program + can get your channel deleted. But somebody has to have had success with it, especially those guys that seemingly come out of nowhere

>>57858837
OK zoomer.
t. born in 85

>>57859280
I would think that streamers that appear out of nowhere have some kind of marketing agency behind them

>>57859177
I never did that, I don't know how to do it, but it sounds dangerous.

If you want more views and follows, share your links every chance you get in all social media (using hashtags), share them with your friends and family, just share them. If you are playing a specific game, share clips or videos in the subreddits, facebook groups and discords of that game (read their rules first). You need to spend some of your time advertising/sharing content for it to be seen imo.

I want to get off Mr Kojima's corny ride.
I think I'll be able to finish Zone of the Enders 2 today then go back to my comfy retro corner.

https://www.twitch.tv/manasongwriting

>>57856313
obvious larp because too young to be making such money but even if you did wtf would you spend that much on? the biggest thing i could think of is helping cover medical expenses for my oshi but personally im happy with what i already have

>>57859381
jesuschrist, somebody older than me

>>57857676
If you have the same last follower for 5 streams you're not promoting your stream.

>>57859381
You are older than my stepdad

>>57852457
balance. don't throw your life away for few extra good goy points but also don't expect success in vtubing if you're a male

>>57859177
You don't bot them up. Embedding is what the smart players do to boost their category and tag placement

>>57858499
>>57858507
>>57858970
Thanks anons and not so anon. I’m glad if my lucky success can help motivate more clipping.
It seems like the zoomers who like shorts want shorter (than 1 minute) clips, more easily understood contexts (i.e., simple games), and preferably emotional reactions. High brow humor is off the table. Let’s see if any of us can replicate this.

57861332
>if you're a male
He really is content to make this post every single day.

>>57854823
$13 (2000JPY) on a premade from the depths of booth. Very much worth it and I don't see myself upgrading for a long time.

>>57862250
I was going to bite that bait, but I’m glad you did it for me. Yes males do have a tougher time taking off initially, but some of the males in Hololive, Nijisanji and even the indie scene have done as well as if not better than some of the more successful girls out there.
We’ve got a few future corpo shoe-ins who have posted in these threads lately, they just need time to spin their wheels.

>>57862810
>We’ve got a few future corpo shoe-ins who have posted in these threads lately
(you)

For a few years, I put out original content which consistently reached upwards of 1m+ impressions and was featured on various "buzzfeed"esque sites (including Buzzfeed themselves) which I wore as a badge of pride at the time but not so much anymore. Remnants of this stuff can still be found around the internet. I stopped because after 2 years, I was running out of ideas and couldn't deliver quality as consistently.
You can do all the mental gymnastics you want to convince yourself that all this has been worthless, but even failed opportunities provide things of value. Only a pessimist who quite literally WILL never make it will be unable to find that value, and subsequently apply that to their next venture. Vtubing also isn't hot and new, it's been popular for years. If I wanted to capitalize on that aspect, I would have done it in 2020 or 2021.
Anyways.
I think you will suffer a worse fate than I will, even if this ends up being a flop for me. Your mentality is so poor, that you will not only not make it, you will also refuse to dive back in or get into something else with new knowledge or an improved mindset. You will sit and wallow in it and hate everyone for your own shortcomings. You will keep throwing the same ball at the wall and hoping it sticks. You are an angry, spiteful person who could fill a family size Dorito bag with the amount of chips on your shoulder, but you couldn't pop a can of Pringles. You think openly shitting on people who try to care about you is the way to go. The only people I see doing this are terminally-on-Twitter 0views, which is where my grievance came from because they're a dime a dozen. So GOOD LUCK!
You aren't meant to be an entertainer. You are meant to be a seething retail worker.

>>57863082
Based. Walmart employees on suicide watch

stop paying attention to crabs, if you want to be here you must learn how to differentiate the crabs and schizos from the normal posters

Just wiped my ass and there’s some kind of orange jelly on the paper. Wat do

>>57863522
apparently reposting someone's essay makes you a crab or schizo, but not the original poster.

Man I wish I could draw lava like cheen does

why are vtubers with freckles so rare? can you think of any? do people not like freckles?

>>57858837
me too lol

>>57863672
sounds like anal mucus

>>57863845
on one hand I feel you but on the other, pic related

>>57863856
shimada and arypie come to mind

>>57863837
Holy kek you think after this post >>57856323 he’d have stopped just to prove that anon wrong
Self awareness doko?

>>57863856
I believe Prayers for Abigail has freckles. Lily Hopkins too, though it’s best to forget Lily exists.

>>57863845
Why don't you draw lava better than cheen instead? He's not that good

>>57864266
>Lily Hopkins too, though it’s best to forget Lily exists.
I'm not into her content but the few times I've interacted with her in other chats or on social media etc. she's seemed like a cool enough person

>>57864444
“She’s” a nutjob in a bad way

>>57863856
I have freckles! But I haven't revealed my design yet..

>>57864444
She's good but one of the /wvt/ schizos is on a crusade against lolis

>>57864437
I really like how he draws lava, if he wasn't constantly drawing her I would probably commission him

>>57866658
you can dm him for comms

>>57862639
I got one for $23 months ago and it's even cheaper now. It's pretty good despite missing eye tracking.

Why do all vtubers have such long necks?

should I get a good rig or invest the money into something else?

>>57868313
the better for kissing

>>57868313
A defense mechanism to increase the range of movement to bite predators attempting to bite the neck

>>57862810
not even baiting. making it in vtubing is hard for everyone but significantly more women did it than men. successful men are the minorities of minorities which you can confirm yourself by scrolling the vtuber list on twitch. the top is almost entirely female

>>57868313
The rigging process, vtubers are a head on a pole

>>57869092
You can get ahead on my pole, anon.

>>57869092
I'll show you the rigging process, anon.

anyone streamin?

Haven't streamed in days...I'm dying...need to stream tonight...pray for me, anons...

>>57869092
I'll process your vtuber's head, anon.

>>57870321
Half rabbit?

>>57863837
No it makes you dumb

>>57871389
can't disagree

>>57870732
Yes.

>>57871567
Stream reps. Affiliate awaits.

>>57871567
don't burn out trying to get affiliate han, your streams have a really good vibe and it would be a shame to lose them

>>57872466
I wish I could...the space I use for streaming has been very busy the past few days. Hopefully today is different...hopefully...
>>57872688
I'm not burnt out...! Quite the opposite, I'm practically burning up wanting to do more, and it feels like I'm trapped in a little rabbit cage...but tonight, I'm going to break free!

>>57873445
Ah, understandable. Straya, right? Spider infestation? I had a bee infestation a couple weeks ago. Couldn’t stream for a week or so. Those Strayan Crawlies have gotta be worse. I’d suggest fire and then rebuilding on the ashes. Would probably be quicker.

>10
Where is a schizo to call us seething retail workers when we need one?

>>57876395
>us

>>57876494
Yeah, me

>>57876494
He means you

>>57854823
1) Too much
2) Too much
3) I'll find out when I debut

>>57854823
700
1000
Yeah, I made it back by streaming.

>>57854823
~3 weeks and some sanity
~2 weeks and the rest of my sanity
Yeah it's pretty cool. I like the creative process

>>57877965
>I made it back by streaming.
How long did that take?

>>57878326
I used my model in March, and I got it back by May, due to oilers and twitch payouts

>>57878391
Who are you

>>57878841
Gumpai

>>57878952
Gumpai is real? I thought it was just a meme

>>57879092
I post here quite often

which aspiring vtuber would let me creampie their butthole

Why are the noise gate settings different for audacity and OBS :(

>>57879273
That depends on whether you want a struggle or not.

>>57879273
most of the femboys, probably coco. gonna hazard a guess one of the more seiso girls is secretly a freak in bed but I'd rather not throw darts randomly

>>57879273
You're never getting laid. You will die a virgin.

>>57878952
I love you!

>>57880170
i'll creampie this anon then, since you're just asking for it you tease

I'm that guy.

Should new models/outfits always be fancier than the last?

How much will I debuff myself if I start learning an instrument on stream

>>57880193
Thank you, means a lot. I hope your night or day goes well, anon.

>>57880917
Depends what you mean by fancier. As long as the quality (i.e. art, rigging) is as good, it shouldn't matter.

>>57880987
Record a private stream for yourself and watch the VOD
Is it entertaining?
No?
Then don't.
This is not hard.

>>57843140
Oh yeah, I kinda dislike peeps ranting on twitter about this kinda stuff... It's annoying and feels somewhat entitled

>>57846272
VTweeters are basically just normal tweeters. You know, the kind that's constantly only, whines about everything and will get you fired from your job because you dared to say being obese isn't healthy

how would an austin powers chuuba fare?

>>57881671
My boomer dad would like him

>>57881343
Yeah, truthfully it's almost an art learning how to bite your tongue when it comes to the things your audience will see, but I believe it's a skill worth developing when deciding to become a public figure.
For example, I want to focus on streaming, making clips and generally amusing people. How I feel about certain chat members, any drama in my personal life, any kind of issue I might take with another vtuber etc shouldn't be anybody's burden to bear but my own.

I finally started hitting over 15+ viewers consistently but now all my 1view/low 2view friends are starting to cry to me about their numbers/treat me colder
What the hell is this, I try my best and I'm rewarded for it. So fucking annoying

>>57881671
That would be awesome but you'd have to really lean into it super hard and double down when someone inevitably goes "THIS IS AN OFFENSIVE STEREOTYPE!"
If you can pull it off, it would be really funny. :>

>>57882155
They were never your friends, anon.

nini vtubing frens!!! i love you all / wo ai ni men

sweet dreams >^,,^<

also! also! my captcha today was rg00wp which i like to think really said (u) r g00d!! :3

>>57882155
It's just you and your fans against the world anon, trust no one

It's impressive that he hasn't killed himself yet.

>>57882329
Skill issue.

>>57882329
How does one accomplish this little after so long?

>>57882383
It's because he's a pariah from the history of schizos, no one wants to openly associate with him because of how the threads handle him.

so is the jury still firmly on the idea that twitch is better for starting to stream? I saw a small chuuba come from nowhere on YT and now she has memberships, all from youtube apparently

>>57882466
Are you a woman?
Yes? It doesn't matter, you'll get memberships anywhere.
No? Stream on Twitch and shut it.

>>57882155
When you're a competitive person, it can be discouraging to watch others who started out on the same playing field succeeding where you can't, even if you're putting in the same amount of effort. Sometimes your brain says "I deserve it more than this person!"
I think you're dealing with that mentality. It's probably not personal, but that's not the kind of mentality you want to surround yourself with if it's making you unhappy. You could encourage them, but it's likely they will still resent you for doing better than them. Don't trouble yourself with it.

>>57882545
ok sir understood sir o7

>>57882329
Welcome to being type cast as a specific type of streamer. He'll never get watchers if he doesn't do tcgs.

>>57882466
Twitch is a meme at this point. Horrible platform, horrible exportability due to forced/unblockable ads, less accessable than youtube. Use it if you enjoy doing whatever other people say regardless of how good of an idea it actually is.
Honestly at this point I'm not sure if all the Twitch shilling is from Amazon employees are just people who don't question how bad of a platform they're forced to use is.

>>57882329
>go look at his latest stream
>0 views
Good lord. Lance buddy, if you're watching this. Go to YouTube. Learn the platform. People will watch your VODs. Even if it's just a few dozen, that's better than fucking ZERO.
>>57882756
I feel like a lot of new streamers go to Twitch just because of the legacy. "Oh hey, that's where streamers do their thing" and then they sit in 0 view hell like Lance there for the next however long due to it being a no-growth platform with a horrible pay split. Your success on Twitch will depend on how many people are willing to sift through page after page of streamers who are doing better than you and then deciding to watch you for whatever reason.
Seriously, Twitch staff have even said they don't care if you grow on Twitch, they want you to grow elsewhere and then bring your audience to Twitch. If you consider how many of the big streamers on Twitch have actually done just that, you realize how much Twitch actually blows for people who haven't already made it in some capacity.

>>57882329
Its astounding how asshurt you guys are about him after all this time. Take it back to your aspcord crabhole.

>>57883069
Exactly.
I don't know why that stupid quip about Twitch is still in the OP.
It's an actual meme now. It's cargo cult behavior and it's pathetic.

>>57882455
Do you want to try that again but use sentences so you can be understood?

>>57883232
99% of newer aspies have no idea who lance is and he'd be welcomed by pretty much all of them

>>57883069
VODs will always have 0 views for the first few hours before the counter updates to reflect the live viewers but you can see his other vods aren't doing too hot either

>>57883250
it's in the OP because one of the main paths to grow bigger is by networking, and networking on youtube is painfully slow when you are small

>>57883413
>Crabbing on the one guy that's sponsored

It's hilarious.

>>57883474
Cool.
I'm not sitting through your prestream ads, by the way.

>>57883413
I'm fairly certain everyone who's been here from the start of the year until just short of the very brand new arrivals knows of and thinks decently of him. The only ones who throw tantrums about him are the hangons from the endless lame discord slap fights.

>>57883498
Sponsored by who? In what world?

>>57882466
There is literally zero reason to use twitch. You're also not a real vtuber if all you do is stream. Make some damn videos.

>>57883474
Do people really message prospective collab partners on their streaming platform/in chat? Doesn't everyone just use twitter and discord to communicate? I don't see the difference between the two in this regard.

>>57883250
Even Twitch's big players like Kai Cenat and xQc think Twitch sucks. They're constantly threatening to go to Kick and probably only don't do so because they don't want to risk losing a chunk of their established audience.
>>57883442
Oh, thanks for the insight! I didn't know that's how it worked. He should be putting focus on getting eyes on VODs and clips with these numbers, and YouTube is the platform for that. Also I like the benefit of your VODs staying up. Another thing that I like about YouTube is that you can get a better insight into who your audience is as well; for example I know that my PL had a big overlap with Vinesauce, Jerma and Vargskelethor. So I can get a rough idea of what people like about my streams/personality and lean in on that, whereas I don't *think* Twitch shows you who your followers watch. You're always kind of fumbling around in that regard.

>>57883895
>Make some damn videos.
that's what I'm asking seems kinda retarded to still preach twitch as better when you can upload covers, make shorts, highlights and have your VODs on Youtube and then...just redirect people to twitch? seems like a really bad strat

>>57883790
God's most oblivious schizo

>>57884142
No seriously those are not the numbers of someone who's earned a sponsorship.

Looks like we've got a youtube evangelist here guys. He figured out you can post videos on youtube and everything!

Lance did nothing wrong

>>57884194
>noombers

>>57884214
Except be terrible at streaming.

>>57884194
If you're going to anti somebody at least learn even the basics first holy shit.

>>57884205
why is it that bad then

>>57884285
The only think I know about him is the discord exists and an Anon or Anons tell him to kill himself

>>57884376
sorry, I don't talk shop with true believers

>>57884422
When what did you think was going to happen here other than you looking foolish?

>>57884422
My brother in christ if you thought this was how you ingratiate yourself with the community and get ass pats you miscalculated

>>57884477
I'd find out how to get a sponsorship as a 0view

>>57884577
Maybe you should figure out who sponsored him for what and why. That might reveal some information to you that your noombers can't.

Why are the antis in /asp/ worse than regular antis? I've just witnessed anti-ing because somebody doesn't get a lot of views, followed by anti-ing because somebody likes using youtube

>>57884577
You mean the thing you admitted not knowing until it was mentioned in response to your clumsy tabloid posting? Embarassing.

>>57884683
>anti-ing because somebody likes using youtube
>likes using youtube
You mean the guy who rolled into the thread and started telling everyone they were "not real vtubers" because they're not posting videos to youtube and doing song covers. That guy, right?

Where is the button to run an ad?

>>57884723
Yeah I didn't know you could get sponsored at the low view count and wanted to know. You can stop ass kissing lancecorder. I'm glad I never took the bait and joined.

sometimes I wish YC would come back to scare away all the new people with his schizo ramblings

>>57884437
wow nice retort faggot, I'm sure your esoteric knowledge on how twitch is sooo good will get you to stardom

THE SCHIZOS COME OUT AT NIGHT

>>57884835
>I'm glad I never took the bait and joined.
The system works.

>>57884888
This is why I don't talk shop with your sort.

>>57884794
reply to that guy because I was the one that started the conversation and have not seen someone say that,

>>57884994
I wonder what this post says
>>57883895

>>57884794
There's a couple people talking about youtube come to think of it. I thought this >>57884205 was directed at this person >>57884045

>>57884983
>I asked you nicely why is it bad
>"erm...I don't talk with true believers"
>ok fuck you then
>"see this is why I don't talk to you"
ogey schizo

>>57885089
>no self-reflection was found in this post

>>57884683
/asp/cord people hates Lance for some discord drama

>>57882155
Most vtubers don't understand how to actually make friends

>>57885229
Don't forget the drama is just that lance said no viewers in og aspcord. Never forget that's the whole catalyst for close to 3 years of anti posting.

>>57885264
can i convince a vtuber to let me fuck their ass in exchange for friendship

>>57884376
Why is what bad? Posting videos on youtube? Where did you get that from anything posted in this thread? Do you realize that streaming and making produced video content are different things with different workflows, different marketable features and entirely different audiences? They're also not exclusive of eachother. Though, given how your conversation went with that other anon, I don't think you realize you can do both things or that making youtube content at all isn't actually necessary. I'm sure that the advice to "just go to youtube and post your vods" will lead to some sort of success though because uh...
oh right, you didn't actually say other than just assuming that views will materialize on youtube.

I don't think that you understand why people stream on Twitch over youtube. Nor why your example (talking about two of the largest fleshstreamers for some reason) didn't include those two migrating to making produced content on Youtube.

>>57885390
Never ever getting laid

>>57885495
can you help me with that anon

>>57885519
Never ever

>>57885529
why must you hurt me so

>>57885390
>look guys I made the post again

>>57885390
Yes, me. I'm a male though.

Either Lance is peak autism maxing and just actually isn't bothered by any of this, or that man is so filled with spite that he continues on to piss people off. Never watched the guy, never hung out in either discord.

>>57885475
Me and that guy are 2 different anons. I'm the guy that said post VODs. Views absolutely do not just materialize, and stream VODs are still niche content. But they will get some something if you write good descriptions, utilize tags, make good thumbnails and have passable audio, don't go on long breaks.You'll get even more if you can get your VODs in front of your target audience to influence the algorithm. Just dumping the VOD with no extra work won't cut it, but if you at least make some kind of effort you'll get more views than what Lance gets.
You should read what I'm replying to. I'm replying to an anon who was talking about Twitch being a bad platform. I brought up the big fleshwalkers as an example that even the guys at the top think it's a bad platform. And then I replied to an entirely different anon altogether. They're different conversations, not the same one.

I streamed today. I even got raided.

>>57886090
yatta! Keep going anon!

>>57885907
>I brought up the big fleshwalkers as an example that even the guys at the top think it's a bad platform.
You also did this in the most content-free way you could to the point it may as well just be an appeal to authority fallacy. You haven't actually told anyone what is wrong with the platform, you've only told them "well, these guys with totally different circumstances producing totally different content don't like the site so uh, you shouldn't too?" Its a non-point. About as much of a non-point as comparing random youtube uploads to Lance's stream content.

>>57885877
im just happy knowing you're willing anon, may your fledgling career blossom and good times come to you

>>57885907
Not to fully discredit your example, but Lance is having a unique issue where he's really good at one thing, but doesn't do that one thing for every stream. He's great at talking about and playing card games, but whenever he plays a guy or does something not card game related he doesn't get views. He does decent with tcg stuff but is stubborn or something along those lines and won't just do that.

>>57885475
>making youtube content at all isn't actually necessary.
dyrbi? because it's crazy how many vtubers owe a pretty large part of their audience to making actual videos, specially in the corp of picrel

>>57886460
>cites to Idol-en

>>57886460
>corpo

>>57886284
I did earlier in the conversation I was having with that anon
>a no-growth platform with a horrible pay split. Your success on Twitch will depend on how many people are willing to sift through page after page of streamers who are doing better than you and then deciding to watch you for whatever reason.
Seriously, Twitch staff have even said they don't care if you grow on Twitch, they want you to grow elsewhere and then bring your audience to Twitch. If you consider how many of the big streamers on Twitch have actually done just that, you realize how much Twitch actually blows for people who haven't already made it in some capacity.
It's a valid point that when someone who is benefitting the most from the platform has strong issues with the platform, it's an indicator that said platform is probably not all it's cracked up to be.

>>57886494
you're such a disingenuous fuck with your never actually showing a counterargument that could lead to a meaningful or helpful conversation

i can't sleep. i'm really sad. i feel like i don't have anyone to talk to.

>>57886566
what's up anon, what's popping in your head?

>>57886515
>a no-growth platform with a horrible pay split. Your success on Twitch will depend on how many people are willing to sift through page after page of streamers who are doing better than you and then deciding to watch you for whatever reason.
This demonstrates a painfully surface level understanding of the platform while also talking about things (pay split lmao) that are super irrelevant to 90% of content creators on the platform. Do you earnestly believe that people grow on twitch by just throwing themselves into the catalog and praying somebody searches from the bottom of the viewer list up?

>>57886566
talk to us anon

>>57886551
>disingenuous
Word of the day calendar? You gave a bad example, pointing out the fact that your example was bad was self evident. There's no conversation to be had on that point.

>>57886711
explain how is it a bad example that 19% of her audience came via vods/random livestream

>>57886351
Well be it far from me to tell someone to pigeonhole themselves if they don't want to. It seems he averages 60-70 views total when he plays TCGs. Common sense would be to go with what works, but could just be he doesn't want TCGs to be the focus of his channel exclusively. I'm guessing his CCV isn't high enough for him to feel compelled to go that route.
>>57886656
>Do you earnestly believe that people grow on twitch by just throwing themselves into the catalog and praying somebody searches from the bottom of the viewer list up?
No, and that was my point.

>>57886771
Idol-En doesn't stream on Twitch. The corporation markets their talents, people go to the talents per corpo marketing. The corporation also dictates that the content be on youtube. 2+2=4. You're intentionally ignoring that you're citing the growth of a corporate backed vtuber and saying "see, its actually because they made videos and posted them to youtube."

>>57886887
>No, and that was my point.
And you missed mine by surface reading. People grow on twitch all the time. They do it by doing all of the things you neglected to mention that are necessary for that growth. You don't know any of them because you don't actually know anything about how twitch streaming works.

>>57886937
I gave the example because I saw a poll with the result, I've seen an example of an indie going from almost nothing on youtube to membership, I can give you the channel but there's not really much evidence to back up what I'm saying and you'll go again into your disingenuous train of thought again

>>57886986
>They do it by doing all of the things you neglected to mention that are necessary for that growth.
not that anon, but what are those things

>>57886986
Well then, O Twitchlord, bless us lowly anons with this cryptic knowledge of Twitch mastery on an Indonesian penis pump enthusiast forum in these wee hours of the morn.

>>57863856
Oh, hi there :3

Are AI chatbot streams really bad? I could always get chat to backseat me on what to say, they could vote and argue on it?

>>57887047
>disingenuous train of thought again
You mean I'll disagree with your conclusion based on threadbare evidence again. Which is probably true. Also, saying "I've seen people grow on youtube" means nothing in the context of this conversation. "I've seen people make money selling baskets." is also a true statement, but I'm not going to go racing to make baskets so I can make whatever their profit margin might be.

How about this equally true statement. "I've seen people get really big on Twitch and sustain themselves happily off their proceeds. I've also seen people stream there because they enjoy doing so and the concept of doing it as a profession is not for them."

We've both now stated absolutely true, absolutely useless things.

>>57887234
Its already been done a few times to the degree that a lot of the novelty has worn off but its still content if you decide on a decent hook first. "Wow look its an ai chatbot" probably isn't going to sell itself.

>>57886598
>>57886700
i really just want to feel like someone cares about or likes me. i feel so alone and i just can't get rid of this feeling. thank you guys for being nice!

>>57887242
>I've seen people get really big on Twitch and sustain themselves happily off their proceeds
Have you seen them do this from an absolute square one starting point?

>>57887371
I'm not sure who you are so I can't say if I feel one way or another about you. But you seem gentle, so I'm inclined to think you're probably alright. :>

>>57887242
well yeah both in youtube and twitch you can grow an audience but why is twitch still the preferred option when it's kinda obvious the tools youtube gives you are much better for growth

>>57887197
watch that guy reply with an absolute deflection

>>57887087
Twitch is a networking based platform. Raid culture is heavily involved in that networking as well as streams being grouped by content/game/category. If you're not working with other streamers or raiding into other streamers, you're missing out on a lot of that growth. Having an external vod locker (because Twitch VODs are ass) is ok, but its not really going to drive content to your streams because the conversion rate between youtube content and twitch content is abysmal and twitter content to twitch content conversion is even worse.

More importantly is that Twitch growth is much more accessible from zero than it is on youtube specifically because raids and the catalog both exist. If you're joe chuuba trying to stream League of Legends in a catalog of thousands, you're probably not going to get pass through traffic unless your tags make you stand out in some way or unless you've already made contact and made friends with another streamer in a similar category to yours to direct you those views.
That's one or two things. I'm not going to write you a whole "how to twitch" guide in a post. The point is that streaming on twitch is a lot different than posting content to a Youtube channel and treating them as though they're somehow the same is a horrible mistake.

>>57887371
you seem like a cool fella, i hope things improve for you buddy

>>57887538
>obvious the tools youtube gives you are much better for growth
Youtube discoverability for streamers is vanishingly small. Note that I said "for streamers". Disabuse yourself of the idea that "growth" means to ever make a single stand alone video. Streamers stream, youtube video makers make youtube videos. These are different skillsets that demand a different approach and tend to draw entirely different audiences.

>>57887436
Yes, lots. Does that shock you?

>>57887704
ok so what you are saying is that streamers shouldn't dabble in video content?

>>57887770
Where and when did I say that? You can quote me where I did.

>>57887725
A bit, yeah. I can't think of any off the top of my head that weren't either OGs from Justin.tv or streamers who brought in audiences from outside Twitch.

Do I have to trash my spaceman design I was working on now?

>>57887828
There are literally millions of people on Twitch. Your sample from personal knowledge is tiny by comparison.

>>57887845
Since you forgot to give context for this question I'm just going to say "yes"

>>57887855
Well, of course I mostly know the big ones. Name some big ones that don't fall into either of those categories.

>>57887845
depends on how you fill out the suit

>>57887904
Actually, since you don't know the answer is more likely "no"
sucker!

>>57887694
>>57887490
these replies mean more than you know. i really needed to hear some kind words. c:

>>57887937
Coin tosses are coin tosses, especially when the results mean nothing.

>>57887904
Amelia Watson debuted a spacesuit outfit tonight.
>>57887845
I wouldn't. There's plenty of chuubas with overlapping concepts. If you like your design, then keep working on it.

>>57887618
>because the conversion rate between youtube content and twitch content is abysmal
yeah, that's what I'm saying why not literally do it all in one platform?

>More importantly is that Twitch growth is much more accessible from zero than it is on youtube
Literally ignoring the fact that people can look up the game you are playing and find not only your stream but also your VOD, you're arguing that Twitch's catalog is actually good for discoverability a thing that many streamers have said is probably the worst part of Twitch

You really are proving to be more of a Twitch cultist than a reasonable person, raiding shouldn't be the absolute only way for growth, that just doesn't sound like a good idea

>Twitch is bad
Yeah, and youtube is worse, lol.
You people have more patience than I do to argue with such an absolute retard tourist.
Holo/corpo brainrot is too strong on him.

>>57887802
>Streamers stream, youtube video makers make youtube videos.
>These are different skillsets that demand a different approach and tend to draw entirely different audiences.
????

Why does it matter which is better if you never go live anyway? Maybe you should just choose one and stream instead of humming and hawing about which one is better.

>>57888047
basically true

>>57888047
seems like a good idea to discuss where you should start first ideally in a thread about aspiring vtubers

>>57887931
Well, this is a vtuber board so that narrows us down to the vast majority of vtubers because they all came after Justin.tv was dead and gone with the Twitch rebrand/merge. We can also narrow out any vtubers who started on youtube first and "brought in" that audience. That just leaves us with the vast majority of indie vtubers posted to here, /wvt/ and /lig/. Granted, the much larger channels have either branched into doing their own fixed content that they also post to youtube in addition to doing their streams on Twitch, but that's more of a market expansion thing than a "must do or their brand doesn't function" thing. The same also applies to a large number of the fleshwalkers who also didn't come from Justin or migrate in from outside. Again, this is a site of millions with tens of thousands (I haven't looked at last stats so that's probably a magnitude larger) partners. Presuming they're all OGs or migrants is very shortsighted.

>>57888156
Seems like you discuss this every day and never get closer to an answer to me. Sounds like you'd make more progress regardless of the platform if you used that time to stream or prepare stream content to me.

>>57887992
>raiding shouldn't be the absolute only way for growth
Literally nobody said this. Before you call somebody a cultist for disagreeing with you spend more time understanding their position. It stops you from projecting like this. Twitch raid culture is extremely important to growth and aids in the accelerated growth that Twitch streamers experience compared to their youtube counterparts because they form not only inter-streamer relationships and networks, but also networks between your viewers and the regular viewers of those you raid. These are both very good things for growth. You're also injecting a "should" into a discussion about what is and isn't. So whatever you think "should" be is just, like, your opinion mayne.

>Literally ignoring the fact that people can look up the game you are playing and find not only your stream but also your VOD
You can do both of those things on Twitch as well. These are not distinct except that if I go to youtube and search for [name of game here] there is a zero percent chance I will find your 1 view channel and stream/VOD unless you're literally the only person who has ever streamed or made a video about that game. Comparing that to twitch categories is laughable.

>>57888018
Yes. Those statements are correct.

Is there a breadbaker chuuba?

>>57888592
Inugami Korone

>>57888009
>tourist.
Probably not even a tourist. I've noticed one or two of the recent arrivals talk a big game like they have everything figured out except the part where they actually stream.

>>57888610
Can she bake us some bread before we die?

>>57888876
>>57888876
>>57888876
>>57888876

>>57888669
angelbrah must have been working some black magic fuckery to have a stream highlights video if he never streamed

>>57888508
I hate you so much man

>>57888951
who?

>>57885310
The guy who runs /asp/cord isn't a vtuber so he got booted from lancecord and has been seething ever since