/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>57699436
So when it ends and devis arrive we can do this
https://youtu.be/Osuhh-TsM7c?si=BwutY50YDd7W_W6C

They invested money into it so they may as well see if it will work out. I suspect this was done to appease investors for the most part and they probably know it'll fail.

don’t shitpost with my oshi, faggot

>>57699436
Corporations don't know the word "backing off" unless their stock suffer a giant dip, besides they probably had a whole plan and they don't wanna give up on it even though nobody liked

>>57699436
they want to save the homo failures from evil investor hands

Aqua said she refused to take part in it so hopefully she rallies the other girls that don't wanna do this dumb shit behind her

>despite no one wanting it
Give me some evidence outside of /vt/ of people publicly hating Holizontal. I'll wait.

>>57700014
The reddit thread got deleted by T-chan because all but 2 comments were negative
The twitter posts for it are about 50-50

>>57700014
I think the lack of views should also demonstrate that nobody wanted this.

>>57700014
>nigger doesn't watch streams
>nigger doesn't even watch clips
>nigger doesn't browse ANY social media
Just want the fuck DO you do? Do you literally just exist on /vt/ like some sort of toxic mold?

>>57700121
Links?
>>57700201
By this logic EN3 should not exist
>>57700313
I do watch streams and browse social media, I don't look at clickbait clips though.
Can you give me links to these posts and streams where members are saying Holizontal is a horrible idea?

>>57700121
Twitter was like 80-90% negative about it until the "own unicorns/incels" crowd arrived

>>57699436
>still being pushed
Is it really though?

>>57699436
why do you post even though nobody wants to read what you say

>>57700014
The terrible views on the Overwatch 2 collab event? IRyS was around 2~3k and Lui was around 1~2k I believe. They also got humiliated by the boys in skill so it was even embarrassing to watch. The only one with skill on the girls team was Botan but she couldn't overcome carrying all the death weight holding her back.

>>57700366
NTA but here's the reddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/166iydv/hlzntl_holizontal_cover_corps_new_project_focused/
Overwhelming negative response to it.
Don't have the twitter comments tho because I don't look at the hololive_En twitter due to the massive amount of homo shit they post.

>>57699436
expansion at all cost

>>57701484
>Only clips you find of of it are people saying how good Botan was well only picking up the game a little bit ago
Grim

>>57699436
Because they've put money into it, and the potential for a lot of investor dollars outweigh the outrage.

>>57699436
popular. fucking. demand.

>>57701505
the holo subreddit has loooong been colonized by numberfaggots & catalog faggots.

>>57700014
How about their own website where the majority are against it?

>>57701505
>>57702551
>Top post is mentioning unicorns and collab beggars
Yeaaahhh...

>>57702661
Federer343 is absolutely one of the most egregious containment breakers /here/

>>57699668
Actually, there's some merit to this train of thought. HLZNTL could be a loss leader meant to fail. They'll roll it out with advertisements, appease fans when it fails with a public apology, then redirect any new viewers who were curious into regular activities.

>>57699668
Yeah my suspicion of what happened is someone put a poison pill in it (multiple actually) to scuttle it on purpose. As to why, who knows, but making a shill collab a co-ed event was guaranteed known to be a not so popular idea and less so bringing in random girls who had never done homo collabs of -any- kind before who -also- didn't have the slightest bit of gamer tendencies suitable for an esports-themed project. A total joke all around.

>>57702887
Who the fuck is going to discover Hololive (or homos) through Horizontal however. They should know full and well clips are what provide the viral, not esports, and clips are made usually out of funny/amusing/awkward moments, not epic esports plays.

If they want the VSPO audience Hololive is wholly unsuited/unqualified to attain it, at least on their girl's side. You can say Botan could legit be a contender but there's nobody else like her and she's been years out of that loop now vs variety entertainer so probably wouldn't be that good to get back into it. Aqua is IMO the obvious answer, if she came back and played nothing but Apex (yet bizarrely was still entertaining and fun while doing it) that would be the VSPO rival - only they'd need to clone her like 5x first and get her to actually-stream. So it just is not in Cover's portfolio to do.

>>57699668
>>57702887
>>57702896
It seems like Cover in general has been pushing out so many random fucking things recently that either crash and burn or go nowhere.
>HoloAlternative
>HoloEarth
>Blue Journey
>HLZNTL
>Probably DEV_IS
It seems like they're just throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks.

>>57699436
Reminder they actually deleted the reddit thread about it because it was full of hate. They are pushing through with this regardless of want the fans want. And you retards called me a doomposter for saying going public was the beginning of the end for the Hololive you know and love.

>>57703166
>>HoloAlternative
We got two good hololive anime MVs out of it.

>>57703364
they deleted the reddit thread because it was filled with containment breaking faggots like you

>>57703442
Sure thing diego

>>57703442
Is that the cope now?

>>57703126
Loss leaders aren't meant to succeed. It's a business strategy where you intentionally fail a project, usually by targeting a market you're unsuited for. In a lot of cases, these strategies are so intense that if the product actually succeeds and starts making money on its own then the company as a whole actually loses cash.

The customers that you aren't reaching in the first place, in this case, people who aren't catching clips and content to start, end up seeing your shit in the peripheral, for example through the sponsorships, and even though your product fucking sucks some of them get converted into buying into other shit.

So the hypothetical ideal scenario if this were the case would be that HLZNTL comes out, it's total dogshit, but people who play Overwatch or Valorant or whatever see the dumpster fire and then a few of them go "Wow, that gameplay was absolute dogshit but that Chloe girl sure is cute. I wonder what else she does".

Hololive is already more or less at their primary market cap which means they need to reach outside one way or another to grow their business, which I think is something everyone agrees on more or less.

>>57701505
>>57702551
The fact of the matter, inconvenient or not, is that the Holo subreddit is a tiny weak shadow of what it used to be, it gets like 200 comments a day. that is like 1/250th /vt/'s rate of approx. 70,000 per day the past couple months (sometimes far higher). I dunno where all the holo fans are talking but it sure ain't there. It's here, discord and twitter, the only place that actually is a cohesive forum out of those is here vs random twitter threads not really being places for focused long-term discussion and discords generally being mostly off-topic noise and either doxfag shitter or hugbox fag mods.

In other words, we exert a kind of effect of the tail wagging the dog on them because a lot of them are here too - that isn't exactly impressive considering only a couple hundred of them per day are talking actively - that seems rather similar to here actually if not lower. And apparently when given the freedom to say mostly what you want that is far more appealing in a medium like this where most other places are a stifling hugbox.

>>57699436
Mori’s really big tits.

>>57703785
also typo woops, they're not 1/250th our activity, oh no that would make them look bad wouldn't it. they're 1/350th.

>>57703659
??? a loss leader in this context would bring in views you moron. loss leading is something like uber, where they dominate the market but make no money. the metaphorical equivalent here would be starting an uber competitor that nobody uses and calling it a "loss leader"

>>57699436
JP shareholders/management is clueless on what's going on with the rest of the world in terms of the video game community. Activision is paying pro Overwatch players to leave because they're done with esports and want out, Riot themselves have admitted that esports isn't profitable and are firing pro Leauge players in order to cut costs, even pro Apex players are leaving because the current meta is shit. You have all these news coming out about how garbage esports is, and all of a sudden Cover wants a esports team for themselves? If they bothered to do a bit of Google research, they would've known it was a terrible investment.

>>57703785
>The hololive sub has been colonized by numberfaggots
>Numberfaggot arrives to literally numberfag the subreddit
christ almighty you faggots are going to be the death of this hobby

>>57703785
I would think anyone smart left the Holo subreddit when it became company owned.

>>57703659
>Hololive is already more or less at their primary market cap which means they need to reach outside one way or another to grow their business, which I think is something everyone agrees on more or less.

They should honestly grow their presence in the international English market. And I don't mean just streams and gaming. The success of Connect the World, as well as the interest of idol content in the English speaking world, means that there is an avenue to export this content and culture to a larger landscape. Honestly, and I genuinely think this, I think they should look into animation. A English language animated series, promoted as a Western animated series, but using their characters. Something like "Myth's Bad Ending" but on steroids. A really good Hololive animation could actually change the western animation market and world, especially for the better.

>>57699436
jewish investors just trying to ruin the genre. they do this with everything nice. they just won't stop until everything good in the world is a mediocre travesty

>>57703967
i suppose they did, which is why it's populated mostly by number/catalog faggots now.

>>57703870
No anon that's not the case at all. Loss leader isn't a hypothetical buzz word, it's a formal marketing term that refers to something completely divorced from what the fuck you're thinking of. A "loss leader" has absolutely nothing to do with a "market leader" that happens to be losing money which is what Uber is.

The idea is that X product loses money, but people who check it out move into different products that actually gain money. It doesn't lead the market, it's referred to as a leader because it's the front of the strategy. The "follower" products are supposed to actually make back the losses that they intentionally took on with the loss leader.

>>57703166
>HoloAlternative
>HoloEarth
HoloEarth is part of HoloAlt, and they are both doing fine. It's nothing major yet, sure, but they've got proof of concept using HoloEarth for concerts with the Yamato Phantasia one, as well as those MVs being well received. The Manga is eh, but I doubt it's losing them money
>Blue Journey
The obscurity behind this one's a bit weird, but some of the songs aren't bad, and they'll obviously profit off the concert alone, let alone CD sales. And it helps get some of the girls more original songs under their belt at the very least.

>>57703986
>as well as the interest of idol content in the English speaking world
it seems like the bubble has burst to some extent
i also disagree on the "growing to the english spekaing world" part. idols and idolfaggotry are fundamentally incompatible with western ideologies and westerners destroy whatever they touch. cover should unironically extend back into china

>>57704728
>go back to China as BilliBilli is dying
okay bat soup go try this somewhere else

>>57699436
Speak for yourself, i want StarCraft2 holopro tournament

>>57704728
Superchats always seem like a terrible way to judge things. Early on you have the "new toy" feeling which drives people to super, also there are generally much fewer ways to support newer talents. After the first year It's not abnormal for talents to straight up try to stop people from sending super chats and send them more towards merch instead.

>>57704728
>Memberships exists
>Better merch exists
>The amount of fans has exponentially increased resulting in less responses to SCs
Could this possibly cause fans to spend their money on these other things rather than useless SCs?
>Noooo way
t. B2 anon

>>57700014
11 OW2 streams combined had less viewers than solo Miko doing normal stream.

>>57700014
>>57682218

>>57703959
I don't like numberfaggots but they've been in vtubing since the beginning, if they would kill the hobby that would had happened a long time ago

>>57703166
>It seems like they're just throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks

Oh nyooo!

>>57703959
>knowing what makes something grow kills it
Whatever you say homobeggar

>>57704728
Ame didn't decline as much as the others
heh

I thought Twitch was only watched by 30 years old zoomers in the US anymore, but that seems to be the case in Japan as well.

>>57700014

>>57707116
For completeness sake
https://hololyzer.net/holostars/realtime/list/2023-08-30.html
the stars side didn't gain anything from it either. Even the FPS powerhouse that is Astel did no better than usual

>>57707116
>>57707557
I wonder if Lui having lower viewership than Astel is gonna be a wake up call for her

>>57707623
>wake up call for her
she didn't even know it was mixed collab until after she agreed to part of it, same with irys

>>57703785
>Holo subreddit is a tiny weak shadow of what it used to be
Coco had her reddit meme review, with talents joining one after another. Last time i checked it became a bunch of yesmans, where the slightest criticism isn't allowed. It is a shithole like /vt/, just the opposite kind.

>>57707557
Holostars gained more hate by beating up a bunch of girls who were amateur players.
Even clippers didn't really clip it, who would want to watch their oshi losing so badly?

>>57707693
And yet she still put out a completely dogshit members post
IRyS had a great response, Lui completely fumbled it

>>57708241
Seriously? Addressing a public issue only among the members is just straight up retarded.

>>57708390
non-members don't deserve any explanation about anything

>>57699436
Big western corporations will own your oshi's and you'll like it

>>57707693
Proof?

>>57704728
Based KFP

>>57708241
What you talking about? IRyS and Lui both addressed it, reassured, and acknowledge the feeling of their audience. Only Chole ignored it, but to be fair, Chole warned you before that she don't want gachikoi and only want to be friends, her contents contradict this, but again not like she going for full homo collab yet.

>>57708484
watch streams or get better at thread reading
the clips and translations have been reposted in /vt/ a ton of times

Same reason hollywood and video game companies produce media nobody will actually enjoy

>>57700014
People don't want this garbage, it's not just homocollabs, it's homocollabs + western corporations

>>57699436
Shareholder's idea, you think they did it on a whim? Lol

>>57708390
see this: >>57708442
only paying fans matter, not greyfags.

>>57708624
>Same reason hollywood and video game companies produce media nobody will actually enjoy
I doubt that Japanese tax system is the same as the US one.

>>57700000
she wont but her mother will, nice get

>>57708580
IRyS made clear that she made sure there would be no Holostar involvement
Lui made clear that this would happen again whether we like it or not

>>57708770
You know Lui's member post was translated right? She clearly stated as strictly business and no homo voice will be heard just like IRyS.

>>57708992
Yup and she also said that this kind of thing would likely happen again.

>>57708697
What does tax codes have to do with investors pushing for cultural changes?

>>57699436
>Why is HLZNTL still being pushed
>1 single event
>still being pushed
The only ones still actively taking about it are /vt/ fags ironically.

>>57699436
Sponsorships are the biggest money maker for cover.
Sponsorships> Ticket sales>merch sales>SC.

>>57708241
None of them had a "great response" to it and for all your bluster Unicorns are not dedicated at all, Cover doesn't have a gun to their heads in these and any girl saying they didn't know the Stars would be involved is straight up lying.

I don't think it mean they want to fuck but it does show their still worried about losing money from gachi but are not serious to outright refuse male collabs period.

>>57710492
That's because no one wanted to watch that shill garbage

If the girls want to play a blizzard game it's whatever, but getting sponsored and censored by that shitty company is a completely different issue

>>57708442
that mindset is what drives away a greyfag from potentially becoming a member. ironically over time I'm the one who benefited from avoiding gura though given how badly she treats her members nowadays.

>>57699436
Shareholders want it. Esports is big business.

>>57712093
too bad the fans can't get organized and buy x stocks each to attain the greatest voting power

>>57699436
they get to do what they want with their company.

>>57699436
it's not always about what you want.

>>57712588
Nobody wants desu

>>57705223
Specially since all the girls have told multiple times that they are thankful for superchats but if they want to support them then please just buy merch.

>>57709611
So doesn't that mean that she's being forced? kinda like the kanata thing where she was forced to do that minecraft collab with ecelebs after her no male statement.

>>57703659
>which means they need to reach outside one way or another to grow their business
They already grew. They can't even maintain their current business by providing worldwide shipping at a decent rate or 3D Lives for their current talents on time.

>>57704728
Idols are American culture, Ken-boy

>>57711230
yeah we all saw how that amogus sponsorship money was

>>57711756
Yes and only OP and /vt/ is still taking about this shit.

>>57702896
Imagine if yagoo just lumped all the bad ideas into one so that they can point at it in the future as evidence of 'we tried, didn't work'

>>57702896
Or maybe Cover is run by complete retards

>>57703785
It's fucked up to think that this place is one of the main venues for discussing vtubers and not a fringe minority

>>57712093
Out of touch shareholders THINK esports is big business, the truth is it was propped up by venture capital and the bubble is bursting now because it has become apparent that it's nearly impossible to make money from esports

>>57699436
You dont even know what it is or what they are doing with it retard

>>57718277
imagine if yagoo is just an idiot

>>57714392
She wasn't forced, her manager just straight up lied to her

>>57714392
>>57721886
Do you actually believe that?
All that was just her trying to contain the damage once her fans started sperging out

>>57722425
>Do you actually believe that?
After the bullshit that Nene and Lammy's managers pulled?
It's 100% something that could've happened