/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

holizontal lol
haha chinaman cant say r
funny

>>57445602
That’s not It’s Over, It’s Cover!

SE ACABO

>>57445602

>>57445602
I don't get it

>>57445602
It's not over. This is only the beginning.

>>57445602
Who thought this was a good idea, even remotely

>>57445805

>>57445602
OWARI DA

>>57445805
>we want the normie audience

>>57445602
into the trash it goes

why are they going after normies now, lockdown is over

>>57445805
Think about mythic, that but in reverse

>>57445602
>external streamers, creators, and VTubers,
>AND vtubers
>not ONLY vtubers
My oshi markiplier

>>57445868
>why are they trying to get more money?

>>57445805
Sponsored events with the girls having to collab with ecelebs from twitch scene and whatnot are confirmed that WILL HAPPEN

Horizontal Mambo

>>57445896
Cover will probably put them all in a separate branch, not even a holo branch but a cover branch.

Its over for rushia

>>57445923

>getting involved with streamers.
I'm looking for indies ASAP, Fuck this company.

Who he is gonna collab with for an Horizontal event?

towa thriving

>>57446352
Can we transfer Towa to holizontal?

>>57445602
>In "HLZNTL," we aim to deliver not only the charm of our talents as "idols" but also their charm as "entertainers" to a wider audience. In order to take a new step as Hololive Production
>We want to create our own Nijisanji
why?

>>57446525
because instead of being happy with one slice, they want two.

Can't wait for Asmon-chan to collab with Peko!

Holo has been in their own little bubble for far too long. It's time to target a larger audience. Gura, sykkuno collab. Coming soon

>>57445602
fucking disgusting, if they could at least pick decent things instead of fucking blizard and mixing the homos with the girls

>>57445602
>we aim to deliver not only the charm of our talents as "idols" but also their charm as "entertainers" to a wider audience.

In other words, "we want the normie audience". This sounds like a terrible idea. If you try appealing to everybody, you just end up being for nobody.

>>57445602
>involving external vtubers
Who would they even play against? They'd just get their asses kicked even harder if they play against VSPO, Niji or Neo-Porte, and playing against anyone smaller would start hurting their numbers because nobody would care.

>>57445602
Nice ! Let me see which membership I'll cut off next

Can't wait for my oshi gorgc to commentate on a holo dota toruney.

uhm... dmitri jap sisters? care to explain?
or was the plan always to get your oshi their very own connor from the start?

>>57445602
Why are Cover like this? They have a concept going for them but for some reason they are willing to shit all over it for something else of dubious success, hell they couldn't even afford to be this retarded if it weren't for the former concept

>>57446525
Its funny because myth was hired as entertainers and not idols.

WTF JAP MAN???? I THOUGHT WE ARE GOING TO BUILD THE WALL!!!!???????

This is what you get for supporting Corpo VTubers

>>57445602
forsen

>>57445805
GurAsmongold collab soon

EN babies complaining about something normal Hololive already does. AGAIN.
No wonder Gura doesn't stream.

>>57445602
Why do they have to ruin everything I love?

>>57445602
Surely Cover's latest attempt to be like Kurosanji will work!

>>57446990
>muh corpo
Every time anon shares an indie, it is someone who has already done male collabs

post yfw you lived long enough to witness the the beginning of the end to the absolute vtube powerhouse that is hololive

Fucking esports shit is even worse than male collabs

Holizontal management's mind:
>average viewer will see these anime girls he totally never knew about and go "wow they're so funny and cute! Let's check them out!"
Reality:
>WEEBSOUT WEEBSOUT WEEBSOUT OMEGALUL WHEN IS DOTA FUCK THIS WEEB SHIT

Holizontal management's mind:
>oh my favorite streamer has finished! Time to check out these hololive girls now I know about them!
Reality:
>Oh RE9 just dropped and that twitch streamer they collabed with is already doing a marathon playthrough while the holos are talking about waiting for permissions, guess I'll go watch that instead of yet another chilla's art game

>>57447059
Nothing new. Newfags gonna newfag.

>>57446931
It's all thanks to their decision to go public. Cover got greedy and wanted to expand rapidly and now the investors are telling them what to do.
I started getting worried when Hololive started opening their doors to outsider collabs again. It's like they've forgotten what made them big in the first place.

This thread reeks of doomposters

>>57447226
>they've forgotten what made them big in the first place.
Collabing with established streamers and nijisanji + having a big breakthrough in the Chinese market with Aqua and Fubuki?

>>57445602
Already going down. Between the feedback on note and the disaster that was the OW2 sponsor, they have more than enough arguments to stop something like this from happening in the near future again.

>>57447226
Cover has majority and has no plans on releasing more than 50% of their shares, so investors have literally no way of forcing them to do anything.

>>57446925
This is straight from HQ Jap only controls EN

>>57445901
theyll turn the company into a souless bland mess that 90% of current fans wont enjoy. must have been decided by the same nijispy that suggested tempus

>>57445602
callmecarson finnaly gonna get that blue cunny

>holo collabs with males
>1 year on the no watch list
>holo collabs outside of hololive
>1 year on the no watch list
>holo cancels streams or delays streams regularly
>indefinite placement on the I wont rearrange my time at all to watch their streams list

forsen collab when?

>>57445602
Whoreizontal.
Money talks and you know that Riot Games and Shitzzard paid a huge sum for the Valorant and OW2 collabs. It's frustrating to see Cover forfeit the formula that made them successful for corporate greed. Only to alienate the fans that gave them that success.

>>57447261
What else would chumbuds do?
It's doomposting and being brats towards other streamers.
All because Gura is lazy.

>>57447323
The only way to force Cover to change is to do it from the inside like Jap did.

>>57447389
But enough about Coco's reddit memes and closing the Chinese branch

>>57447054
>Gura/sykkuno collab
>"Well... This is awkward"

>>57447372
who is on those lists anon?

Why does /vt/ seem to have more people that can peer into the future than /x/?

>>57447476
because /vt/ unironically has more schizos than /x/

OUT WITH THE TOXIC UNICORNNNNNSSSSSS SIUUUUUUUUUUU

>>57447267
heard it here first. every single person that collabs with nijisanji and has a chinese fan will be big.
might as well say that mori grew because of trash taste and kiara grew after collabing with pomu

I'm going to become Shiori's personal Connor, and dump her live on stream. She will be so broken that she'll come crawling back to you plebeians like a rebound fling. It will be kino and you'll thank me in the end.

>>57445662
They're next, it happened to IRyS it can happen to them, where's you Jap now?

As long as I can see more moments of Aqua getting beaten up by Sasaki

>>57447389
>It's frustrating to see Cover forfeit the formula that made them successful for corporate greed. Only to alienate the fans that gave them that success.
I will never not laugh at unicorns who say this, as if you were some how even a single decimal point on the percentage of watchers who made them blow up here in the west. Sorry anon, the normies who kickstarted hololive's success here could not give a shit about women collabing with men. They don't even care about the concept of "idols."

>>57447519
Yeah we need more "starsfans"

>>57447601
o7
godspeed

>>57447531
No, but the ones that do it the best can make it.
Or could, the CCP went schizo mode again and the market that Hololive used in 2019 no longer exists.
But what happened still happened, you can't change the past. The "Fubuki at the lead" era, the Chinese clippers being the first ones to clip stuff in English.
Gen 3 was a latebloomer gen, Pekora took a long time to get going and stand out event among Gen 3.

it's over..

>>57447476
The medium is so niche that for every ten posters there is one insider, and everyone pretends to be that one poster

>>57447472
Anon will never answer you.
On the JP side the only Holo not on the list would be Akaai Haato

>Unicorn bucks wasn't even enough to make Cover pause about this decision
Incel cash was also better used in 2view twitch talent. Dropping 600+400 on stream labs barely gets you a raised brow from corpo whores, but it gets you a girl having a panic attack and worship elsewhere

>>57445602
So.... Same as they’re already doing, but now it’s named holizontal or whatever?

>>57447926
You have no idea what you are talking about. Indies dread anyone sending more than $100

>>57447944
Meant for >>57447891

>>57446525
Cover's MO since 2018 has been trying to create a new Nijisanji, not sure why you're shocked by it.

it was nice of cover to contain all the shit people don't want - homo collabs, eceleb dick sucking etc- in one project. Now we know where we can be as toxic as possible so no sponsor other streamer wants to get involved and kill this shit on vine

>>57447944
Completely their fault for using a system that allows for chargebacks.

>>57445602
As long as they avoid mixed-gender shit and twitch whores it's fine. HLZNTL's Valorant collab was fine.

>>57446525
>We want to create our own Nijisanji
Despite what revisionist retards on here might push, niji saved hololive when they needed it most in the early days, and Riku talks to yagoo quite frequently. >>57447944
>Indies dread anyone sending more than $100
Lol, LMAO even

>>57448040
Hopefully you can be shitty enough that Cover will close the EN branch like they did with CN

>Holeechzonktard

>>57448066
Bring on the homos. I do not care, unicucks can get fucked.
All that matters to me is that my oshi is having a good time, even though she's unlikely to participate in this given she doesn't play the games they seem to want to target.

>>57445602
All the big vtuber companies are going to shit.

>>57448102
https://twitter.com/Niyumii_/status/1675915211734233089
lmao indeed

>>57448103
I'm gonna pedal a rrat and say that if they're doing this much for a fast paycheck, they might just spread their legs for Chinabux

>>57445602
>The last collaboration failed miserably
>But we are going to continue doing them
We already know where they transferred omega

>>57447631
Holostars numbers are shit, Holostars numbers will remain shit and if they add them to collabs like yesterday then their shit numbers will tank the collabs.

Ohhhhh I see a lot of Nijifags are shaking in their boots right now. If Holo collab with the streamers then they'll become 'the better Niji' and there'll be no point of Niji existing anymore

>>57445602
Mori won and will bring her eceleb collabs to others
Cover bowed to her and will walk off a cliff because they were given bad directions

>>57448295
numbers numbers numbers numbers numbers numbers numbers numbers numbers numbers numbers numbers numbers numbers I literally do not care
Go bitch in the investors meeting unicuck

>>57447267
Those didn't make them the juggernauts of the industry. Keeping to themselves and their strong display of unity is what kept the viewers around. They didn't share their viewers with anyone but that's starting to change.
>>57447323
>so investors have literally no way of forcing them to do anything.
Not forcing, but they can convince Cover to do stupid shit.

>>57445602
Might suck for EN since western E-celebs are absolute cancer but JP has already been doing this shit for years.
Its just another idea Cover is throwing at the wall to see if it sticks. Really doubt itll amount to much.

>>57448301
That's some retarded logic anon. Thank you for contributing, but that will be all from you for now

Can't wait for the Lando and Randon stars collabs

just don't watch the holizontal collab streams if you don't want to it's not that difficult gachikoi unicucks ahahahah

>>57448301
>Support nijification to own nijiniggers
FUCK OFF COVER INTERN

>>57448525
Past talents have a ban on new collabs, so that will never happen.

>>57447185
They never got the answer to REAL the origin of GPB's name. They had their chance as Red Bull sponsored gamers to get the TRUTH but they blew it!

Also should we mention The 8Bit Drummer collab work during the 24 hour KoroMiko stream

>>57448665
>Past talents have a ban on new collabs
Only for black companies like Cover.

>>57448525
They've cracked the code, leeching off the corpo viewer cucks without paying the corpo cut bucks, sasuga

>>57445901
>implying normies will spend money on vtubers
weeb shit = pedo shit according to western normies, this will only generate more controversies

>>57448481
JPcuck, what does this have to do with EN? Horizontal is a JP branch initiative. Of course the JPcucks are defending it instead of fighting against it kek.

>>57447226
>It's all thanks to their decision to go public
Dumbass, they never have a choice, either go public or sell their company to their internal investor.

>>57445602
can't wait for japanese schizos to start burning down shit again

>HLZNTL
>HoLoZ NeToLare
>Holos netorare

>>57448301
fuck off faggot, only fake fans will want them to collab with male e celebs

>>57448801
And there is literally nothing wrong with it.

>>57448847
ANON RUN YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO FIGURE IT OUT THE COVER ASSASSINS ARE ALREADY AT YOUR HOUSE

>>57445602
Hasn't HoloJP already collabed with normalfag-tier celebs many times? Seems like they want to establish a more organized form to interact with the wider entertainment sphere.
I guess the schizo unicorns who don't want any interaction with males (aside from all those males watching the stream, of course) might finally kill themselves over this.

>>57448172
Based chargeback chads putting these whores in their place

>>57448928
>Gura and Mori threw themselves at Mattpatt, but got filtered by his secretary
You just know Connor and Sykkuno are showing up real soon.

>>57445602
Good. A forsen collab with Gura is inevitable now.

>>57448798
>he says while watching the literal most normalfag vtuber company

>>57449020
Jerma first male or bust

>>57449025
That's Vshojo.

>>57448984
Yes. And if you're going to kill yourself over watching Subaru interact with the Great O-Khan then you're gayer than any man in a gay porno

>>57448937
Of course the JP LARPers will eat up anything that Yagoo shits in their mouths. Mogu mogu, faggot.

>>57449068
>implying vshitshow even gets half the views of your average holo
okay gunrrat

>>57448984
I'm not seeing any downside here, Cover is doing the right thing

>>57448445
Hololive always collabed outside of hololive.

But... aren't JP already getting sponsored eceleb collabs every now and then? What's the difference?

>>57446525
Redditors and Twittards hate idols, so they want Hololive to turn into Nijisanji.

>>57449154
There is none, this isn’t even a EN project.

>>57447443
Legit question. Is sykkuno a legit chumbud? I just see it get memed a while ago

>>57449154
Almost like incremental steps were taken prior until we're arrived to this point, and now you are using those past inches taken to justify losing even more ground to soulless corporatization.

>>57448943
Oh shit, before they get me, I have to tell you one th

>>57449250
He's a bit of a leech, but yes, he is definitely hyper aware of Gura

>>57448801
Serious question. irys part of the JP branch or EN branch?

>>57446567
they're public now, so it's all about the money now

>>57449154
stop rationalizing my mental illness, I can't handle it

Never trust corpos.

>>57449430
>Unicucks spent their money trying to get one girls attention
>Investor chads navigate the entire future of the chuubas company

>>57449390
Serious answer: stop deflecting from the rampant rot the JP branch is experiencing by using IRyS's one singular participation as a target dummy. There's more fantasizing about Western e-celebs and Gura ITT when JPs are the ones to jump head first into some soulless corposhit event every month. It's like a schizo immune system reaction whenever the resident Last Samurais don't know what else to do or say.

>>57449154
Go look at the replies and retweets. Nobody wants this. Hololive isn't about e-sport shit, 90% of the viewership can't stand Apex and Valorant

How did cover survive for 6 years with thought processes like these?
Ok you want to roll out a new project, but how do you use the Overwatch collab as a benchmark to release this news to your fans? If you're going to go for something so controversial, how about making an event that actually somewhat succeeded instead of flopping on its face. It's not a good look.
Now fans are going to use this overwatch as a benchmark for how the future events are going to be like and its grim.

>>57449154
In case you haven't figured it out 99% of the threads outside of splits and generals are not intended for discussion, they're almost entirely to bait people with wrong/incorrect/misinformed information.

>>57449677
The only reason EN isn't rotting is because there's nothing left to rot. Gura is clocked out and enjoying pseudo retirement

>>57449065
jerma isnt even human so its fine to collab with "him"

>>57445662
FUWAMOCO MORNING is the worst of all morning shows and still somehow the best HoloEN can produce. Subaru or Koyori are top, then there is also Mio and some others. That's just Cover, ignoring NijiJP, VSPO and others that do good morning content.

Checks those QRTs!
https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1697187517735571800/retweets/with_comments

>>57445805
Holocels clutching their pearls that the gilded cage Cover's built for their pure maidens might open to the unwashed masses and especially those filthy Tw*tch streamers

In other words, schizo shit

>>57445602
if we just keep pushing the male and female interactions, the number of unwanted viewers will be replaced by even more new viewers! this will make us more money! trust my business degree!
Ah, yes, the holizontal/peppeloni.

>>57450052
Yeah, all 197 of them. Terrific sample size unicuck.

>>57449963
Of course. Of course the Gura schizos are also the board's JP LARPers. It's really like reading a short-circuiting robot spit out hard-coded lines. Go spend time protesting against Yagoo instead of defending literally every dumb ass decision he makes.

>>57449134
Only the less popular ones collabed somewhat often. Collabs involving the more popular Holos were extremely rare. I mean, how many outsider collabs did Pekora, Miko, Marine, Korone, Aqua, Kanata, Botan, etc. do in 2021-2022?

>>57445602
The pink dog hag will be FORCED to collab with males and YOU WILL BE HAPPY

Nice teaser at least!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCwp-KyHrj8

>>57450100
Yes. They should listen to true hololive fans like us that know what's the best for livers.
Btw. Next holo wave when?

>>57449065
It's too late anon he soft graduated...

>>57450086
>old and loyal unwanted viewers who always gib money and buy merch
vs
>new viewers who are unlikely to stick around
cover has entered its retarded phase

>>57450312
> Next holo wave when?
How the fuck would I know anon

>>57450197
“SPREAD”
>hologirls cheeks
“RESPEC”
>homostar cock

>>57450086

>>57449289
Except that was the starting point lmao. Shit that was done in the first few months of its existence, years before you showed your ugly face on this fan base.

This is your time to gatekeep, you know it will be over if they try to force normies into the community.

>>57450417
yeah, i think it's stupid, but i've worked places that said this exact thing.

>>57447443
sykunnos videos struggle to break even 50k on youtube i dont see why hes relevant

>>57447944
Just use Youtube then lmao

>>57450052
>99% of them are negative
i hope the management really know what they're doing

>>57450508
It was over the moment someone on this site posted Miko saying Nigga.

The gate was broken at that point and everything was going downhill ever since.You Are Here. Now reap what you sow.

>>57450485
Yes, you do what you need to do when you're literally fucking 2views. But the whole point is Hololive has grown with a particular brand, a particular selling point that is distinct from Nijisanji, and for a while it kept it that way. What Nijisanji does works for them. What Hololive does worked for it. So now Yagoo wants to instead go back to behaving like a 2view?

>>57450628
>Cover
>Knowing what they doing
LMAO

>>57450647
You have no idea what they are trying to do mindreader
Shut the fuck up and go back to your failing company threads

>>57450508
hololive is only because of the normies that toured during covid. they want them back.

>>57450628
Management has always been retards riding off the coattails of the girls.

>>57450052
>people who have older oshis are not complaining
>newfags into Irys or Gura are complaining
Truly entices the mind

>>57450682
Yes, there's some super duper 4D chess grand strategic plan in the works, right? Fuck me, you're dumb.

>>57450682
stop blindly sucking yagoo's dick you fucking faggot, i don't trust the corporate a bit they will definitely fuck this up

>>57450052
A few QRTs got good argument as they pointed out that this terribly executed project shows how blatantly COVER is trying to copy VSPO without understanding a thing about VSPO or even their own appeal.

>>57450453
Rui...

>>57450726
Just like the next gen will be a co-ed one right?
Your company is dead and every single NijiEN liver despises the time they spend in the company

>>57450742
>they will definitely fuck this up
Okay, say they do. So what? COVER is literally too big to fail now. The only downside that could come from this is a bit of lost capital and maybe plans getting pushed back as a result. This failing wouldn't impact them in the slightest.

>>57450132
>Korone
>Aqua
>Botan
Some of the biggest outside collabers are you insane
Plus peak popularity Aqua spent more time with the likes of Mea than with the rest of Holo.

>>57450762
You can see this in basically any music project Cover does (with the exception of Bloom which was led by A-chan).
They have no fucking clue what their fans like. They thought fucking Blue Journey would get them the mainstream audience by removing Holo imagery from the music videos and it bombed so hard they had to start shoving Holos everywhere in response after being called out by investors.

>>57450508
Should have gatekept at EN

>>57445602
So now that Cover is a black company, I'm sure FBK will announce her graduation any day now...

>>57445602
Why do they even bother to make this when literally EVERYONE knows that their girls suck at fps? they think they are VSPO? lol

>>57450965
Yeah I don't get this. I'm pumped for Blue Journey, I've got my flight and concert tickets booked already. It's gonna be a fantastic concert.

>>57450896
do you ever care about talents?

>>57450647
>it changed
It didn't for most of the girls.
Can't you see the absurdity when the gatekeeping is new people trying to push out older people?

>>57450836
Kek Yagoo is so lucky to have people oshi him. That dipshit has been blessed with an insane amount of luck, and he keeps throwing money into some dumb ass project after the next. And he keeps chasing initiatives that actively hurt the talents than help. Keep sucking his cock, though.

>>57451100
Do you? COVER branching out and attempting to open new avenues for their talents is not a bad thing, no will it ever be. None of them were forced into this, every single one was asked if they wanted to participate and they said yes.

>>57451188
>None of them were forced into this, every single one was asked if they wanted to participate and they said yes.
lol

>>57451213
Please post proof otherwise, mindreader

>>57445602
It's Joever.

>>57451003
FBK the male collaber, the niji collaber, the eceleb collaber, the one who does mainstream interviews with Hollywood celebrities...

She probably thinks this is good!

What happened to based Jap?

>>57451257
All of those are good things btw

>>57445602
>>57446525
Why tho? I literally don’t watch livestreams outside of Vtubers and never will.

>>57451188
>None of them were forced into this
The management has been pretty insistent, right?

>>57451268
JP management has more authority than mr. Jap

>>57445819
holoantis, i thought it's obvious that cover is full of them

>>57451320
We know they offer monetary incentives for this type of thing, that does not constitute "forcing" a talent into it. That's it.

The dissonance is that Hololive is mainstream adjacent in Japan (Nijisanji a bit more) while in the west is niche. Stuff that sounds natural for the JP side will sound absurd for the EN side.
That includes a lot of projects JP already did.

>>57451320
Management "asks" are quid pro quo. You can technically say no, but they can also make your life hell.

>>57451037
>they think they are VSPO?
where are the girls that are good at fps in vspo lmao

>>57451403
Nah man. The way this thread is going they would have never liked pre-EN hololive.

>>57451154
You are projecting your bullshit onto others. I couldn't care less who the ceo is or who the company my oshi belongs to. You nijifags are the ones that oshi Riku and his companies stocks while you dont give a single fuck about how any of the talents are treated or abused by management.
Kill yourself

>>57451454
you mean to say that EN fans aren't real fans of Hololive? noooo waaaaaay!

>>57451454
This thread? Try this fucking board. The first Koshien was pure unfiltered kino that'd be treated as the worst event in history here like the Overwatch tourney or whatever shit happened yesterday.
/vt/ sucks.

>>57451413
Good enough to get invited to tournaments

>>57451134
>older people
All twenty of them still left? "Older people" were replaced a hundred times over by now. It's also 2nd half of 2023, Myth is now older than Sora was when sankisei debuted.

>>57451552
For the purpose of agreeing with your argument, I agree. But I also hate niji koshien because Power Pros is just a bad game. I just don't like baseball.

>>57447995
Funny that people don’t realize this. Yagoo’s ideal has always been nijisanji like 70% of the things he’s done is copying him. It’s like he wants to fail

>>57451616
Huh. I unironically am the one who made that chart. Let me see if I can find the original file.

>>57445841
>30k viewers average for Pekora
Surprise anon, we've been in the "normie audience" for over 3 years.
/vt/ and matome are in the distant minority.

>>57445841
Always have.

>>57451658
That's a fair point, the game is absolutely just a series of luck but I care more about the event than the game itself myself. This year's B-league was hype as hell for example.
But otherwise yeah, /vt/ fucking sucks. Unicorn's, or as you might remember idolfags, are not people in my books nor will they ever be.

>>57450132
>Botan

>>57445602
Only Homobeggars want this shit ! Even the JP bros don't want it...

>>57451814
>abloobloobloo
Don't you have a Kanae stream to catch?

>>57451614
Good enough to be at the bottom of the leaderboard too

>>57451409
This is what I was thinking about, yeah. The managers seem to be pretty chill in general but the ones at the top are the classic japanese businessmen.

>>57451905
Still better than you

>>57451741
First you say something dumb then your next statement is true. I can only assume you’re confused

>>57445602
God damn it, why can’t this shit company ever make good decisions

>>57451905
They started at the end and stayed there too!

>>57451614
>>57451037
Vspo girls are good at their particular fps

>>57450918
I checked Korone's channel to make sure and I found literally zero (0) outsider collabs between September 2020 and the end of 2022. I'm sure the number is close to zero with Botan as well, but I remember that one sponsored Battlefield(?) tournament where she was in the same team as Bora, so there's at least that.
>Plus peak popularity Aqua spent more time with the likes of Mea than with the rest of Holo.
Peak popularity Aqua had more than 100k people watching her play Apex. The chink loving Aqua was not the peak Aqua.

>>57452043
She collabed with Debi several times and someone else playing some Doraemon platformer iirc. Also
>searching holovids
>he forgot the 'caust

>>57445602
>Gura collabs with Asmongold
Can't wait

>>57451997
corporates are all retarded these days, it's like they don't know their own selling points

>>57452094
Caust was in mid-2020, anonchama.

>>57445602
This is why Gura went dark again.

>>57452216
And how many years of videos did it get rid of, anon?

Their hashtag is also #HLZNTL, Holizontal without some letters like how Porn artists mention the girls they draw without mentioning them to avoid people stumbling on their art (aqtn for Aqua for example). Hetshippers rejoice?
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23HLZNTL&src=typed_query

>>57452253
1 in Korone's case? She has streamed for 3 times as long since then. Anon was explicitly talking about 2021-2022, so I don't know why you are trying to bring it into this.

>>57446525
Cover wants HoloPro projects that involve both Hololive and Holostars. They are trying to have it both ways in which Hololive talents will be promoted as idols during coomerbait swimsuit events while being promoted as entertainers during esports tournaments. Management can't make up their mind about Hololive which is why they keep chasing after two different markets.

>>57452364
>Anon was explicitly talking about 2021-2022
Yeah, in an attempt to shift the argument away from the original point of
>Hololive always collabed outside of hololive.
because I suppose he was a retard.

>>57447346
Every enterteinment company wants to get huge

Nijibros we keep winning

>>57452378
holostars is a failure and it will only drag the girls down

>>57447346
>same nijispy that suggested tempus

>>57452537
>implying
He was an Aiworshipper and openly hated nijisanji holo and everyone else 2D because they weren't ai

>>57452378
HLZNTL's Valorant collab was girls-only, it's possible they've learned from the OW2 fiasco and will separate the genders.

>>57451616
>>57451707
Couldn't find the edited version. But I still have the sheet I used as a base for the data used in that chart.
Wish EN newfrens wouldn't whine as much about all stuff JP always did and will always do.

Like the QRT's have said, People want the girls to come up with ideas and management support them like it has been for the past 3-4 years, not the other way around.

>>57452441
No, it's because he knows the difference between "Hololive always collabed outside of Hololive" and "Hololive collabed outside of Hololive for two year and then didn't for two years and also achieved 80% of its success in the latter half." Don't be obtuse. Some niggas are really forever living in Summer 2020 as if's still relevant. Might as well start Ai vs Mito timeloops.

>>57451814
kinda based tbqh

>>57448172
>Tries to get a bigger cut
>Takes on the risks platforms take on to justify their cut
>Gets burned
retard

>>57452721
Hololive exploded in 2020, 2021 and 2022 didn't have explosive growth like that. No wonder Cover wants to go back to 2020.

>>57452094
>>57452253
>>57452441
I particularly specified 2021-2022 because late 2020 is when Hololive closed its doors and started growing like crazy as a result. Bringing up how they used to collab more often back when they weren't the market leader yet is utterly pointless.

>>57445602
The name is fucking terrible. Are they not aware that it sounds like a racist immitating an asian?

>>57452857
nigger stfu

>>57453005
All based on what was built in 2018 to 2020. Council and HoloX didn't do that well.

>>57445872
So actually good?

Does this mean sooner or later they would force even holos like Noel, Flare and Kanata to collab with males? Or do the talents still have enough freedom to reject any offer related to hlzntl?

>>57453005
>Posting literally reclining growth after 2020
>Instantly proving his point
Holy shit you just BTFO yourself anon. I have so much 2nd hand embarrassment for you right now it's crazy.

>>57446525
Greed

>>57453179
Same as usual. In case you can't tell, what this thread is demanding is not allowing the girls to collab outside of hololive like they always did.

>>57453272
So it's a nothingburger then. Let the usual whores be whores but at least the company still has enough sense not to make this hlzntl shit a company wide mandatory participation

>>57452857
Hololive started exploding in the second half of 2019 thanks to idolfags and EOPs you don't like so much. Just as soon as they stopped collabing as much as they did. Yonkisei debuted at the start of 2020 and had 0 outside collabs for the longest time, except for Towa who had the yabe namesake, was discarded by JP fanbase, and had to be bailed out by muh entertainment kaigai normaltards like (you). Cabaret won. Seethe about it.

>>57453179
even noel's roommate will be exposed to the homos, it will be a turning point and the beginning of a new hololive renaissance

Remember when Jesus expelled all those merchants from the temple?
Yeah we need someone like this for Cover.

>>57453401
Mr. Jap already exists.

>>57453401
Was that before or after god killed every other living creature on earth so a guy could have a zoo boat

>>57453005
So you know how to read?

>>57445602
It's over...it's been good 4 years

>>57451308
They aren't doing it for you, they are doing it for people who don't watch vtubers

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!

Asmongold started to play Holocure like 2 weeks ago and everyone was wondering why, he never talked about liking vtubers or even watching vtuber content at all, but all of the sudden he just goes and starts watching that on his streams. He even watched some Ayame compilation video for some reason.

>>57453210
>how do percentages work?

>>57453667
Trolling or retarded
https://www.mythictalent.com/mythic-talent-vtuber-creators

>>57453446
Mr Jap is more like one of his future students me thinks.
He hasnt done much to stop the hoLizontal menace yet. He awaits the arrival of his Teacher.

>>57445602
Imagine being the leader in the industry and trying to imitate their lesser competitor, it's asking to die, it's like anime, people like it because it's different, if you throw away that aspect you'd end with an average show

Imagine all the drug fueled parties after the tournaments, holos will mingle with twitch pro gamers and be used for clout. NTRkeks gonna eat good soon

>>57447121

>>57453813
Which is funny, since Fubuki is all for this.

>>57453667
Anontard I'm not denying the small chance of your schizopost being correct but Asmon has a vtubing business under Mythic

>>57452612
>it's possible they've learned
lol

>>57454029
Wait really? Who? I don't follow twitchfags in the slightest.

>>57454029
i don't pay attention to that dreck but isn't it just pink cat and polish whore hanging out with their boyfriends? they're basically fleshtubers at this point

>>57453392
We are just going to memoryhole the leading member of Yonkisei mentioning Koefficient by name and having him produce unique videos for Asacoco?
Cabaret my ass.

>>57448172
Rumao

>>57449250
He caused an incident in one of Gura's early member streams that ended up making his fans spam Gura's chat for months begging for a collab.

>>57453179
Flare would graduate immediately and become a martyr for the Great Unicorns Rebellion (2024)

>>57445602
Heh, finally
As if there ever doubt that Yagoo is a big homofag

Dimitri Jap was the end, not a new begining.

>>57453454
after

THIS IS THE END! NO MORE VTUBERS!

>>57445602
clear signal against the gender segregation, even though cover were the ones that decided to strictly segregate them in the first place

>>57450628
Management don't know how to change their underwear

>>57454582
It's hilarious that hololive kept the male collab rule the same since the start, do it if you want or don't do it if you want.
Yet people pretend it's an ever-changing mystery

>uwaaah cover want normie audience???gatekeep normie reeeee
Hololive has always been for normiefag, you fucking retard.

>>57455022
Explain why Towa was suspended and Russia straight up fired then

>>57455037
show gura dakimakura to your dad and tell me again

>>57455097
Because Towa is a lying retard and Rushia broke NDA. Wow, that was easy.

>>57451188
If they attempt to open a soapland you'd support them by how much of a corpo boot licker you are

>>57454953
Management only know how to sink all the money the girls bring in on stupid as fuck projects like holo alt and holo earth, now this. All while the girls can't get support for their actual projects like 3d lives

>>57455097
>Towa
Lied saying the voice was her manager, acted without talking to her manager.
>Rushia
Had the support of Cover until it was revealed she had been talking with drama channels despite multiple warnings and requests for her to stop.

>>57451454
I watch hololive for more than 4 years, try another one fag

>>57454171
She's dead.

>>57445602
reads like a fat bright colored tranny wrote this MUH INCLUSION OF RACES AND GENDERS
when will asians learn not to hire americans

>>57455097
>Towa
got caught streaming with uninvited guests, lies and claims it was staff, gets called out and suspended to let the heat die down

>Rushia
suspended to let the heat die down from the discord yab, turns around and leaks info to dramatubers, fired for incompetence

>>57453917
I know, it's just reaction image my man

>>57455191
nta but that sounds amazing??? You really telling me you wouldn't get soaped up by your "oshi" as they play prerecorded samples of her sex voice? I'm already diamonds just thinking about it.

2020fags are in for a rude awakening.

>>57445602
Classic Cover with the bait-and-switch, it all started with 'idol company'

>>57455389
We were here before you. We will be here after you.

>>57445602
>they are now consider VSPO as a rival
is it time to recruit a real gamer now as ur member, yagoo? I'm still disappointed with EN3 because no gamer except biibo there. even biibo herself is decent gamer.

>>57455200
It's been years that some holos want to participate in Budokan or Yokohama Arena yet hololive shows no interest to do that yet they spent billions on a studio that they can't properly use because there's not enough staff and in projects like this

>>57452378
If Holo can do anything then no one can compete with them. They will kill VSPO by hosting fps tournaments and kill Niji by collabing with streamers and Holostars. The point is not to please the idolfags and unicorns(because they're too cucked to leave the girls anyway, they love them too much and will accept it eventually), the point is to take the viewers from other companies.

>>57455097
>Rushia graduated on 24 February 2022
>Russia's downfall started on 24 February 2022
THEY ARE

>HoloJP vs HoloEN civil war
The sisters are having a feast
Yeah, me

>>57455448
>2020 is before 2017
Might want to double check your math anon

>>57449633
Investors have a tendency to run companies into the ground and making stupid decisions.

>>57455533
To do shit like that you need sponsors.
Bushiroad already made a lot possible, imagine what they could do with more.
Unfortunately the chinkout has made Hololive a bad company to make deals with in Asia.

>>57449250
he went to the holoEN concert and has merch, so i guess he is legit

>>57448840
> sell their company to their internal investor.
What the fuck is an internal investor?

>>57455730
Most of the complaints on this thread would make it impossible for someone to watch Kisuna Ai or any other vtuber of the era.
t. Watched Eilene ebolachan stuff

If any of the Holos I like get fucked by some faggot eceleb I will create a scary emergency

Captcha DOXMMT

>>57453776
The thing is his enemy would be the investors, who would have the power to get him removed.

IT'S SO FUCKING OVER

>>57445602
Nene saw the writing on the wall and was warning her fans, there probably is quite a lot of internal pressure to "volunteer" for this project and make it a success.

>>57445602
why can't they just do it separately
make a new branch solely for hrzntl shit and leave the idols alone

>>57456189
what investor would want that? also yagoo owns majority of shares andhe's an idolfag. It;s just that people directly under him are pressuring him. Manager Jesus would fix that.

>>57456363
Bullshit. I am the first neeko and she never said this.

>>57456294
he is trying hard to get on cover good side recently. hope he fails

>>57456435
Yagoo is a Japanese idolfag anon, not an EN "idolfag" who thinks being an idol doesn't involve sponsorships lmao

>>57455865
>public company is split into internal shares and float shares
>float shares are publicly traded and internal shares aren't
>Depending the company nature, they may have larger or smaller internal shares
Basically, the real executives (Yaqoob included) and not the filthy stock trader newfags

>>57456531
What is the difference between an EN and a JP idolfag? Define it

>>57456435
Because investors were revealed to be the dumbest people in the world with the whole NFT shit, plus some of those new investors wouldn’t be Japanese, but from other countries like the US and China.

>>57456435
>yagoo
>idolfag
lol, no, he'll ride on whatever boat will take the shortest route to the money

>>57456453
Are you denying she talked about needing to change up her content outside of just "idol activities" ?

>>57456531
it's not about sponsorships retard
it's about diluting and spoiling a very distinct hololive brand

>>57456435
>>57456531
>>57456597
Yes, flesh Idol does in fact
>do male collab (under supervision)
>do sponsor content
This is how Idol operates. Meanwhile, EN adopted the raging gachi definition of Idol
>No male contact whatsoever, at least in public space (Social Media, Discord, Stream)
And then there's the Unicorn niggers who think Private contacts are also bad

>>57456597
EN has no idol culture. So the people who call themselves idolfags mostly go off memes and jokes about how JP idolfags act.
The difference between the two is that the EN side is an incosistent parody.

>>57451473
Look in the mirror anon, you and the sister are not so different. maybe you have been a woman all along?. It's okay, people accept you now

>>57456435
Did you even see the investor meeting? There were investors asking about NFT, restarting the CN branch, and shit you not, two of them asked about having IRL meetings with the talents for shareholders only.

>>57456731
>>57456730
But even as a joke. How disconnected from the world do you have to be to not associate idols with paid promotions and corporate culture? Hololive itself has mountains of it, I first heard about the company from the azur lane collab

>>57456780
>IRL meetings with the talents for shareholders only.
Welcome to REAL Idol industry, faggots.
Be thankful Yagoo told them to fuck off

>>57456636
>lol, no, he'll ride on whatever boat will take the shortest route to the money
imagine saying something this wrong a few days after he made the first day of holo summer free.
you are a faggot.
Yagoo is not riku.
All his actions have shown passion for vtubing and idol culture.
Yagoo is just pressured and manipulated by bad people around him in regards to terrible projects like holizontal.

>>57453272
Time travel anon, give us some wisdom

>>57456882
Only when Yagoo is gone will people realize how much shit he was keeping at bay.

>>57456902
Invest in Bolivian lithium
Do not drink popular brands of orange juice in March 2024
Don't trust the girl with the French accent, she will laugh at your akasupa

>>57456882
it's not like he has a choice
these holo girls are now so powerful if it's getting really bad they could just fuck off and go back to being indies and they would be doing fine

>>57455328
>to let the heat die down
anon, the voice in your head lies to you

>>57456902
In the future, everyone is bisexual including the men, and the public is very accepting of traps and thinks they are cute

>>57457079
>Don't trust the girl with the French accent, she will laugh at your akasupa
Que?

>>57456780
>two of them asked about having IRL meetings with the talents for shareholders only.
That’s sounds a exploitive as fuck and a abusive as power, like a secret prostitution ring.

Hololive WILL become the next Activision
Nodoka WILL be raped by an ugly fat man in a million dollar suit
Elon Musk WILL send your oshi to Mars in an unfinished rocket ship that WILL explode in low orbit

>>57457706
It is practically open secret in JP entertainment market. At minimum you have Idols playing the Hostess, at worst, well, they get fucked.
Literally.

>>57457996
my oshi can go to Mars on foot

>>57458162
Based Robosa.

>>57447944
darlingstrawbros...

>>57458044
>open secret
Lol, this isn't hollywood, have you been watching too much oshi no ko? Sure, small producers are always prone to all kinds of yabs, but the bigger companies have a pretty strict code.
Also, I don't know why are saying that stuff like hostess is an "open secret", when you can literally walk any street in akihabara and find a maid cafe where all the hostess are part of an idol group where the girls do hostess work by day and concerts by night.

>>57458996
I'm not saying hostess in specifically, I'm talking about Idols serving as hostess for the shareholder and curry favor.
And look, there are (estimated) 10.000 female Idols in existence. Not all of them can be Nigger48 or better

>>57458996
A maid cafe is quite different from a kyabakura

>>57455533
nta but this is what I want as a viewer
i want the girls to have more of their dreams realized. i want management to be replaced or sternly talked to get their shit together (both hololive and stars management). i don't want resources put into this holizontal crap, i don't want JP7, please just focus on the girls we have now and make more of their dreams come true
i get as a viewer there's more to it than me just saying this, like the shareholders, how sponsors and connections could be a good thing for the future and i can't talk much on that as I lack knowledge and experience but i have to at least say are some of these sponsors really necessary? this OW2 garbage i do not want to watch, this hlizontal idea im not really interested in, idk

i just genuinely want these girls to succeed even more, knowing watame wants to perform at budokan one day and seeing how much effort and money she puts on her end to release so many orisongs, why don't we give more support to the girls for shit like that instead of this rabble?? idk man i just want the girls to fly higher and be happy

>>57460373
The truth is that merch and supercha money alone doesn't take you to the budokan.

>>57460618
>merch and superchat doesn't take you to budokan
Yep.
Ask Suisei about it.

>>57456882
shortly after that investors meeting the MV for that summer song thing was released. The one with the girls in hotels. Shortly after that they got their swimsuit outfits and showed them off with this holoresort bg image which clearly showed stuff like casino. Cover is spending tons of money on the holo game with a gacha system. you don't think there's a vision there? ojisan investor knows what's coming. buy your stock now.

>>57460618
Yeah, I think KAF was the first one to perform there. You need more than merch and views.

>>57460618
For all they speak about idols, people in this thread have no idea how cornered Cover is as an idol company.
3 years later and the Zang apocalypse is still in effect. Every company that deals with hololive gets harassed. They can't find sponsorship deals with a lot of companies that are available to other idol groups because of that.
If not for Bushiroad they'd be fucked.
It's not surprising they are trying to find deals with US companies since they are more immune to Chinese harassment.

>>57461148
Finally someone spoke hard facts.
I didn't know how severe it was. And now the zhangs are collapsing too. Seeking American sponsors just makes sense, even if I don't like it.

>>57461148
their investor info is public, their growth is really strong. i understand diversifying to stabilize the business long-term, but no one in cover seems to have any real vision.

>>57446631
>Holo has been in their own little bubble for far too long. It's time to target a larger audience. Gura, sykkuno collab. Coming soon

i would of called you a dramafag 2 years ago but this now has a small chance of coming true. holy shit what is going on

>>57445805
I was wondering why asmongold is starting to shill hololive

>>57445805
vtubers?
no we're doing actual real life streamers now nigga