/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

No.

>>5703220
Everything has a price.

No.

>>5703220
Unless she kill every person related to her avatar and their relatives, she won't got it.

>>5703220
Out of the whole company, maybe only Noel has the kind of money to buy back an avatar, which was trademarked by the company.

>>5703220
It sounds like a logistical nightmare not worth the time and money of either side.

>>5703220
Shes acting like a whore for some reason
Like
>HEHE WERE ALL DEGENERATES ARENT WE FELLOW COWORKERS?

>FUCK SEX ANAL SEX POOP STICK FINGER IN YOU

Nigger shut to fuck up and graduate already

>>5703220
No, if that possible many hololive members will do the same and Cover will go bankrupt tomorrow

Probably, but I doubt she'd front the cash Cover would ask. Even when Coco leaves, her avatar will still be associated with the brand. If she's off saying shit like Taiwan is a country, that'll bring heat onto them.

>>5703220
Possible? Probably.
But why? It's just a picture and a name. And it's one of the triggers for antis. I think that Coco/Kson would much more prefer to abandon is completely, there's nothing she can gain from still using it.

>>5703329
>>5703420
>>5703683
and absolutely this >>5703370
/thread

>>5703683
This.
Cover keeps both the model as well as the ability to collab with members hostage in order to prevent graduations.

>>5703220
As long as she uses Coco's character, she's still representing Cover/Hololive. It's better for her to go the Tamaki/Ui route but instead of being actual manga artists and the like, she'll just be a streamer with a whole lot of creative freedom and Cover probably wouldn't restrict the girls to collab with her in the future

I highly doubt Cover would give anyone an opportunity to buy their virtual avatar and continue using it outside of the company.

Only Suisei has the ability to keep her identity outside of Hololive. She started her career as an indie and was adamant on keeping her identity when joining INNK / Hololive.
She has the option of returning to her self-rigged and self-illustrated avatar if she decided to exit Hololive

The kson character is far superior, both 2D and even the 3D isn’t too PD. I imagine myself wallowing on top of her roommate and being completely coated with her bodily fluids and it doesn’t disgust me.

>>5703220
she is moving to something more profitable company owner


she is probably a friend of hiroshimoot by now

>>5703220
She would at least have to buy the rights to her channel, videos, avatar assets, Twitter and image rights. It would be really fucking expensive. Whether it's worth it or not is something only Coco could decide.

>>5703370
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_JTzEppKy8

>>5703657

>>5703220
You have a better chance of kson debuting a new big tiddie orange haired dragon character called Koko on July 2nd.

It's not really worth it when she can just independently hire the same artist and the same rigger to give her a similar model but with her own customizations. Why pay $50,000 for Cover's model when you can pay $4000 for one with better rigging and no connection to a company you left?

>>5703518
Why Noel? She'd mid tier in terms of Hololive income. Though even thats enough to buy two KU100s

>>5703220
What would be the point? Her success doesn't come from her avatar. If anything it's better she's getting rid of it, since the weightless, collisionless tail looked really weird in 3D.

>>5704962
Anon she makes way more outside of hololive, a lot of holos do

>>5704893
If the character turns out to be similar. Cover can sue her on copyright things.

It is better for her to go on the kson route rather than create a similar model

>>5704962
Her family is loaded.

>>5703835
well, i mean, one thing is - the coco character is more well known, but also the artwork that already exists for the character - which must have cost quite a lot to create.

And really, I'm naming her, as she's currently hot topic, but actually meaning in general - speaking for all larger jp vtuber agencies and their vtubers.

Something else that makes me wonder - I often hear vtubers talk about various commission fees and paying out of their own pocket for the content created for them - songs, artwork for the stream, but what about the character art itself?

Considering hololive agency acts more like a promoter and organizer - suppose a vtuber with a sucessful singing career were to graduate, how would that work? I mean, for a regular musician, I believe they are allowed to keep performing the songs they wrote for an album released under a label, even after they leave the label, but when you've sunk a ton of money in content you can't even use after leaving the agency, that's .. i mean, I wouldn't be surprised it's in their contract as that's just how things are and if you dont' agree, somebody else will, but still - perhaps vtubers could use some kind of a union lol

>>5703683
Logistically wise, the is nothing preventing IF Cover were to sell.
now, "Is Cover willingly to sell the Rights of Coco the character" HAHA NOPE.

>>5703518
Ina probably could, but she could also just draw herself a new persona too.

>>5703917
aint something similar with Miko's Avatar?

>>5703220
>bargaining
Just ACCEPT the dragon is gone and embrace the KSON, besides the SOVL of the dragon still literally resides in Kson no need for the old look

>>5705101
In that case Reine too.

>>5705077
She can't make a bootleg Coco but Cover can't sue her for using the same artist and rigger of Coco to make a new original character. She can even pay them to redraw and rerig the existing kson character.

>>5705077
No they can't, that's not how copyright works, it's not a patent. Copyright requires being an actual 1:1 copy to be infringement. Just being similar isn't enough and having the same artist gives enough plausible deniability to get around any claims of copying as long as she makes it different enough, for example changing the clothes and hair to match Kson while retaining Coco's horns and hairstyle and body proportions due to using the same artist/rigger.

>>5704641
I mean...hes not wrong

>>5705264
ok zhang

>>5705218
What's the point of making a new original character then?
Kson char is enough for her.

You're not thinking high enough

>>5703329
Fpmop

>>5705263
>Copyright requires being an actual 1:1 copy to be infringement
not really, if the copy is close enough to cause confusion from a general population POV, then it can be sued.
China gets away with it cause fucking China and its bootleg trash brands.

>>5705218
Not every artist and rigger is open for individuals, some of them do only contracted works and i'm pretty sure Cover is working only with this kind of people. Also booking for work with big, popular artist is pretty fucking hard thing to do and again - most of them prioritize corporate work.

>>5705177
No, Miko was a part of Cover from the very beginning, she just was a separate project from Hololive.

Suisei started as an indie and was able to negotiate to keep her character instead of re-debuting as a new holo

>>5705263
Even if they could, they wouldn't considering they haven't sued half the reincarnated cn girls yet despite similar names and models.

>>5705314
>What's the point of making a new original character then?
Fresh start, make a new channel whilst keeping kson ch just for her personal, fun use like how she's been using it in tandem with Coco all this time.

>>5705384
I thought Miko also had her own independent Debut and was early on head hunted

>>5705402
I mean, thats different, its fucking china. to whom are they gonna sue in that shithole that will uphold the law?

>>5703220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uc3V8NxKWw

>>5705418
Kson will be more a fresh start already after Coco. she cant also deviate too much, im sure by contract she cant tie herself to Coco any time soon

>>5705357
China gets away with it because China doesn't recognize western IP law as it's a fucking racket that only exists to enforce cultural and economic imperialism upon poor countries like with the TPP which almost killed anime. If you infringe on Chinese IP laws within China you'll get fucked(unless you're Tencent and have CCP bureaucrats in your pocket).

>>5705442
Oh yeah that is true

>>5705372
Horseshit. Many of the artists who created the Hololive characters have done work for Nijisanji and independent vtubers as well as doing non-vtuber work like manga and game illustrations. Unless an artist has signed an exclusivity deal with Cover (and that would be fucking dumb), a job is a job.

>>5703220
The only way she'd be able to buy her character would be if cover went under, that has happened before where the company of a vtuber goes under and the talent can continue without the company.

>>5705384
I'm curious about situation with Robocosan. Her character started as non-Vtuber OC of her artist and was not created for Cover.

>>5705497
Exhibit A

>>5705442
Whose law would they uphold exactly? Chinese law doesn't provide protections for foreign countries' copyrights, that'd be fucking retarded. I'm sure you don't believe American companies should be held liable for some Nigerian patent on Coca Cola or some shit.

>>5705372
But isn't pochi a huge coco fan? If kson asked I'm sure she'd go right to the top of the list.

>>5705497
They probably fully bought the copyright from the artist

>>5705372
wut??
you are mistaking Freelance contract with exclusivity contract.

>>5705101
>>5704962
It's the opposite. Her family was poor as fuck and she was living in the boony until high school.
She just made a lot of money as a streamer and Hololive was a social club for her to make friends.

>>5705372
Coco's artist just did a character for Prism Project a literal who EN/JP org that averages like 50 viewers per stream. Pretty sure if his most successful daughter came to him and asked for a model he'd totally do it.

>>5705530
Nigga, thats my point, China gets away with their bootleg shit cause China country doesnt give a fuck about other countries intellectual property.

>>5705497
it should be easy to just buy the right from the artist

>>5705631
it will be better and easier just to have her current Kson avatar upgraded.
Hell, if she has enough capital, it should be possible to even set up her own 3D (proper) rig

>>5705631
>>5705497
>>5705553
Pretty sure if you pay a character designer to design a character for you, you're the one that owns the character, not the designer.

>>5705703
She still owns a 3D studio in the Holohouse doesn't she? She just needs to get the Kson model exported into 3D.

>>5705615
The way he draws cleavage is honestly second to none.

>>5705742
I wish her gave Coco an ahegao face too...fuck Cover!

>>5705805
Didn't she used to have one?

>>5703220
Short answer is no. There are royalties involved for her characters creators which transferring ownership of the character would complicate immensely. Besides that, Coco is great but she carries a lot of baggage too, so I think Kson would be better served stepping away from the character and begin something entirely new if she really wanted to pursue vTubing, although she's more than hot enough that she could just do regular modelling or something and make a killing.

>>5705728
Isn't the 3D studio from Cover's?

>>5705720
hm....depending on the contract...

>>5705869
She bought it from Cover or just got a quote on the price tag from them and bought it herself. It's not owned by Cover.

>>5705615
Kson is already following Yaman on Twitter, so it’s only a matter of time.

>>5705105
>>5705105
While someone like coco, with her personality and laguage skills can probably grow a fresh youtube channel over and over and there's no real need to buy her hololive avatar, there are vtubers who probably couldn't make it on their own - if, for whatever reason, they had to leave their agency.

Moona for instance - just the channel with all the subscribers is probably the most valuable things she owns.

>>5703917
I thought Roboco owned her own model too?

>>5705314
Honestly believe Kson is just done with vtubing which is why she's quitting. Tired of dealing with zhangs, tired of dealing with YouTube, tired of dealing with Cover, might even be tired of the over-the-top gross gaijin shtick character she made Coco into.

>>5705915
It makes me wonder though. Cover does send some equipment to the Vtubers under them. What stuff do they can keep after graduating?

>>5705482
China has no problem stealing from the west, reverse engineering the product, then selling it cheaper but if a Chinese company does it to another Chinese company, there would be hell on earth to pay.

>>5705720
iirc the design predates hololive, but that's besides the point. Wheter it was comissioned or he signed off the rights, the matter of fact is that the design is Cover's intellectual property. But then again it's Cover we are talking about, it's entirely possible that they didn't do the paperwork properly and kuromaru could pull a digitrevx on them

>>5705987
Probably all of it. You think cover is worried about an old iphone? They probably take the cost out of their first paycheck and call it a day.

>>5705545
I'm sure Pochi would be more than willing, but the question wasn't about Pochi, it was about using the same artist and rigger as Coco which could introduce issues like conflict of interest for the artist.

>>5705947
>there are vtubers who probably couldn't make it on their own
I mean, yes and no, content wise hololive (or any group) only benefit is collab and name. so the later generations can start with a boost already, but the early gen had to pull the weight on their own.

what a company does help is with the logistical shits, all those branded stuff and partnerships Hologirls have as example.

>>5705987
The only thing they send them is an iphone after the Hitomi Chris incident. Home3D and Live2D work through iphone apps and all their equipment like computers, microphones, hand tracking gear, etc are self-bought.
I have no idea what the iphone situation is like but it's separate from their personal phone so if it works like any other company's work-provided phone then they return it when they graduate.

>>5706033
That's how every country works. You ever wonder how Israel got nuke technology? By stealing it. You ever wonder how America got so far ahead of European industry in the 19th and 20th centuries? By stealing IPs from war-torn european countries and poaching engineers/scientists/etc with crucial/classified knowledge. These corporate espionage scandals used to be a really big deal between western countries until they all started sharing technology during the Cold War to combat the USSR and China.

>>5705418
You're too naive then to think that gaining subscriber really that easy for a new start.
Kson subscriber hasn't reach 1M till now despite being well-known as Coco roommate

>>5706065
>like conflict of interest for the artist.
im 99% sure all artist and riggers are free lancers. non its a fucking in house direct employee of Cover. so nothing retarded like "conflict of interest"

unless you assume Cover will directly threaten with "if you do work for Kson, we will no hire you any more in the future" and that will never happen cause you basically become toxic to any free lancer and its them that will not do business with you.

>>5706117
that is out of "courtesy" to keep the Holo an their past separate.
that courtesy no longer will apply after graduation.

>>5705987
The only thing they give them is the iPhone.

>>5706100
Chris has nothing to do with it, the fuck are you talking about. She did compensated dating to buy a gaming PC for her audition, the narrative about her stealing the computer from Cover is absolutely retarded.

>>5706191
Those are two separate thoughts anon, I wasn't asserting that Hitomi Chris was a Chinese spy or some shit, what the fuck?

>>5705950
I don't think so, she debuted as part of Hololive after Sora which means Hololive probably owns her copyright. I think Suisei and Miko are the only ones who could retain their characters if they left. I mean, technically I suppose Sora could too but she quite literally IS Hololive so that's more complicated as her departure would certainly indicate a collapse of Hololive.

>>5706117
Nigger, her subs literally doubled the moment she made the announcement

coco is doing the right move

>>5706065
Coco's artist works also for other VTubers and games. These people are not employees, they only do contract work.

>>5706246
Roboco and Suisei are the only HoloJP members that Cover does not currently have a japanese trademark over

>>5706215
You seemed to be implying that Cover gave them more equipment before Chris, which was never the case.

>>5706100
>poaching engineers/scientists/etc
Not disagreeing with you in general but this is primarily where things are different. It's one thing to poach talented people with specific knowledge and skills, it's another to just steal their technology and half-ass it into working condition and then sell it back to the people it was stolen from while undercutting the original developers. China does this exclusively. They haven't developed a *single thing* on their own.

>>5706373
I dont want cover to bely flop cause I care for the other girls, but Jesus. how incompetent have you to be to let some autistic chink let you lose your best fucking talent.

>>5706065
you dont understand how freelancing works, do you?

>>5706410
The nigger is probably confused by the other person who gave chris equipment.

>>5706414
>They haven't developed a *single thing* on their own.
"democratic" communism?

>>5705419
Her first project/debut was done by Cover but she wasn't a part of the HOLOLIVE project. Yagoo then made her join Hololive.

>>5706356
I agree with that part retard but you need to realize that her subscriber doesn't suddenly jump to 1M despite being well known as Coco's roommate.
And this anon >>5705418 suggesting to make a new channel instead

>>5706436
not that fag. but even as a freelance artist you can hurt your relationship with the company you're freelancing for. Which could fuck pochi out of work, cover seems to like using the original artist when making new costumes. I don't think cover would care though.

>>5706416
i understand you care for the other girls, but for coco hololive give nothing of value, if you content isnt singing/dancing type

Also, it makes me wonder - if Cover corp holds the licenses to the characters and owns all the assets, models, art, musc created for a character - is there anything holding them back from doing soemthing like kizuna ai, where I believe the person behind the character has changed a couple of times.. where 2nd of july coco just sounds like a completely different person on her stream

>>5703220
Why would she? Coco is a shit design

>>5706568
They are not dumb enough to not realized vtuber is exclusive to one person only anon.
No one want to watch Coco's stream voiced by Kiara

>>5706568
>is there anything holding them back from doing soemthing like kizuna ai
The shitstorm that would happen just like when it happened with Kizuna.

>>5706568
newfagchama...

>>5706568
They wouldn't risk the shit storm, with game-bu they really did replace them, with Kizuna it became a shit storm just for introducing alternative people that were supposed to fill in while she was really busy, though I think it was because of what happened to game-bu.

>>5706568
unless there is a clause in the contract with the talent, that after graduation. they cant give the persona to someone else. on paper. there is nothing preventing them from using a new voice.

I Practice, that will be akin like puppeteering a corpse.
Fan will know its not coco and get mad.
and remember than the holos are friends beyond their Personas. so im sure they will not just go "oh yeah sure, that Totally is the Coco we always knew"

>>5706568
mainly the fact that it's a fucking retarded thing to do that will kill your company

>>5703220
>Coco
Just let her go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kZKHNHGzCg

>>5706410
Oh my mistake, I read your post wrong. You're correct that Cover didn't give Chris more equipment, I was mistaken about them giving her equipment as the other anon said.

>>5706414
This is somewhat wrong that China hasn't invented anything new. China's tech sector has been advancing faster than the West's in the last decade due to their willingness to ignore the bureaucracy and politicking of Western IP law in favor of home-grown innovation to prop up their economy. Yes it's mostly off the back of stolen technology, but again this is what every country has done for thousands of years just copying eachother and building off it. The West buys tech from China not just because it's cheap but because they actually deliver products up to specifications if you pay for that level of quality. The reputation China has for low quality products is mostly on the consumer end because that's what western companies are willing to pay for things like iphones and textiles and plastic shit, but their enterprise tech is very good if you don't mind the inevitable built-in spyware. Their science/research side has been growing fast as well and is outpacing the west in terms of new discoveries and actively pursuing genetic engineering and space exploration, even if they cut corners and drop boosters on villages. Their high end consumer products can also be good, pretty much identical to Japanese or other east asian countries for hobbyist items like anime figures, dolls, cosplay shit, etc if you aren't sorting by the cheapest option on Alibaba or Amazon.
The idea of certain countries being thieves is a constant in history, before China it was the Russians and before that it was the Germans and before that it was the Japanese and the British and the Romans etc. It's pretty much a necessary step in economic development to steal from your neighbors and then make your product slightly better to outcompete them.

>>5704962
What are you talking about
I remember her talking about how she feels guilty eating takeout while her brother eats instant rice with a store-bought cutlet

>>5705545
>>5706065
>>5706524
Pochi's affiliated with Straight Edge, which was headed by Miki. She pinned the tweet where she said that those wanted her art/rigged for commercial purpose would need to go through the company for that.
https://twitter.com/lizhi3/status/1350232991641944066

>>5705987
It used to be ounlined a bit in earlier versions of the hololive home page, but you get an iPhone and obviously the software they use for tracking. I would also guess that they will provide you with additional software or hardware to transmit the image from the phone to the PC.

Other than that you need to buy everything else (PC, audio interface, mic, etc.) yourself. The old page also said they will help with setting up crowdfunding in case you need money for a PC, but it seems like they moved to just lending them a PC if they really need one, these days they should have enough spares lying around in the office.

>>5706568
Legally? No. But I think everyone in the industry is well aware of what would happen if you were to try to pull that shit after the Gamebu and Ai clones shitstorms

>>5705105
I do think this is interesting regarding music. For instance Calliope Mori is the credited writer for a all of her original songs (sometimes with a co-writer). Cover Corp definitely owns the distribution rights to the music. But I'd assume that as part of her contract, the writing credits attributed to Calliope Mori are not attributed to the character, but to the talent.

That means, while she may not be able to release an album after graduating including those songs, she should still be able to perform them live, royalty free.

Of course, the way she's going, I feel like she's trying to merge Mori and her roommate, so who knows what the current contract renewal negotiations look like.

>>5706651
>>5706655
>>5706700
>>5706722
>>5706728
>>5706741

Suppose they sold it to a 3rd party. I mean, if you got your hands on a youtube channel with 1m+ subs, where all you have to do is turn on the stream, wave to the viewers and within an hour, you have 5 digits on your bank account, wouldn't you?

I mean, I realize fans would be mad and hololive wouldn't want the shitstorm, but if they could figure out a way to shift the blame and still cash in on it.

And yeah, actually I'm just trying to figure out how these vtuber agency contracts work, coz you can get wannabe idol teen girls to sign anything.

>>5707050
That's never gonna fly, no one would turn up to watch and companies know that, no one would pay any money for what would be a dead-on-revival channel that is essentially PR poison.

>>5703220
Yes, the option exists, but likely it'll be extremely expensive.

However, it's more likely that, given Coco was essentially forced out of Hololive by the reluctance of middle management, apathy of upper, and incompetence across the entire company, she'll be completely stonewalled

I'd love for her to just get a new avatar and stream with that.
I know she has a model for Kson, but that looks kinda shitty, too much like herself and is pretty boring overall. Make it a big-tiddy fantasy girl again, collab with other indies or maybe even from some agencies and I'm positive she can pretty much continue right where she left off.

Why wpould she? The sentimentality towards the character itself is mostly about her being part of hololive and her friendships with everyone else there

If she's making a new company and a new group, she'll make a new character too, in time we'll love that character as much or more

>>5703220
it's technically possible for Cover and Coco to draw a new contract and sell the right to the vtuber. But if creative disagreement was the main reason for the graduation, they're not going to sell the avatar and give her total freedom to do the things they don't wan't her to do.

>>5705947
>While someone like coco, with her personality and laguage skills can probably grow a fresh youtube channel over and over and there's no real need to buy her hololive avatar, there are vtubers who probably couldn't make it on their own - if, for whatever reason, they had to leave their agency.
Most Kson's videos have less than 10k views. Not viewers, accumulated views over the years. Coco knew Hololive was her big break, that's why she worked like crazy for the first year.

Cover won't do it. Their avatars are their only income. They'd be selling themselves to death.

>>5703726
>>5706069
>branding
ignoring the absurd pricetag and paperwork involved, being associated with Hololive/Cover would still allow Cover to dictate what she can or cannot or do during streams for very long time.

Granted, they could have sold the concept and backstory and all Kson had to do is supply a new name and "familiar but not quite the same" model, effectively making a bootleg version of herself

>>5703958
You disgust me though

>>5703220
>july 1st: Graduation
>July 2nd : 待機Coco streams on Coco Ch. 桐生ココ like nothing as changed, except all mention of Hololive or Cover corp have been removed from her disclaimer.

How do you react, /vt/?

Coco is one of the few holoJP members who doesn't seem like borderline autistic neet and can stand up for hserself - what might have lead to her graduation in the first place. And she's shown to be able to organize stuff, so she'll be fine either way.

All the hologirls have an army of whiteknight fans, but I rarely see anyone talking about issues involving contracts

I believe Subaru had stream the other day, where she seemed surprised Kiara is having an actual vacation and a whole week off.

>>5708852
Holos are half independant anon, they don't have hours or paid vacation. The only contruactual obligation they have is to tream once a week, and you can see with Ayame or Shion how much that's enforced.

>>5705029
I highly fucking doubt her ASMR makes more money than streaming in hololive.

>>5708476
I think 70% of tastunokos would become antis

>>5703220
There is nothing legal stopping Cover from selling the IP to Coco, but they wont. The character of Coco is worth too much as an alumni than they could get from selling it to Kson.

>>5708476
I wake up from the dream and tune into Kson Onair.

>>5703865
>>5703370
Cover has deals in place with the artists for their models. It's not just between the voice and Cover.
Also if they were not able to maintain their exclusivity they would lose value as an entity, since they don't have much to do with the streams in the first place.
The final reason is that people would dislike cover even more if the barrier between the voice and their model was money, since some of them would not be able to afford it and people would resent Cover for seeming "greedy".

>>5708476
Wouldn't have to pretend like hololive never happened, but simply move on.

I mean non vtuber celebrities do that all the time and what I was also kind of wondering about - can a vtuber become a 'real celebrity', portraying only one single avatar - being able to switch platforms, agencies, heck, even get a role in an anime or a computer game - a vtuber avatar, portraying a character in anime, voiced by that very vtuber - while still remaining relatively anonymous as the person behind the avatar.

It works the other way - with companies owning characters that get portrayed and voiced by various different actors throughout decades.

Perhaps the closest thing would be to compare it to how some comedians make up characters like borat, which they may appear as, wherever needed and nobody would take it seriously, if another actor were to play the character.

For a vtuber, at one point, you might want to hold on to the social media accounts you've gathered as the avatar and if you played it right, you could even modify and transition the character over time. I mean, didn't gura have 1m+ youtube channel prior to hololive - would there have been any real issues if she had kept using the same channel?

>>5708932
>The only contruactual obligation they have is to tream once a week
Ah so that's why haato can literaly put up a 3min live stream a week and get away with it

>>5703220
its like retiring pro-sport number unless she has kid to continue legacy.

>>5703220
Well there were cases when something like that happened I believe at least one of the ex-gen 2 of MyHoloTV (Malayisian hololive ripoff but I believe they hired some Westerners) bought her character after they all graduated due to "conflict of values" but I highly doubt Cover would agree for something like that and I don't think Coco would be all that interested either perhaps they would have to remove her VODs and stuff due to copyright issues not to mention her character was so connected with other members it seems pretty pointless to just stream alone or with non-hololive people.

Anyway it's not like she can't stream as Kson even as a Hololive member and the spam is more of an issue since youtube actually took care of her corporate channel a few months back she's not quitting to be full time independent streamer even if she will stream more often on her other channel, she seem to have some other possibly bigger plans.

>>5705615
Yaman has done designs for H mobages in dmm.
As long as they commision him, he does it.

>>5706568
Kizuna Ai was never changed, she is still the original one

>>5707355
>Coco was essentially forced out of Hololive by the reluctance of middle management, apathy of upper, and incompetence across the entire company, she'll be completely stonewalled
sauce on this? I saw it ealier here that Coco talked about management banning her but couldnt find the video

>>5709297
Theoretically a chooba could become a real celebrity, but not one from any corporate talent agency like Hololive or Nichisanji.
Maybe one of the Tsunderia girls or (due to how stupid celebrity culture is) one of the Vshojos like PinkCatBad or Melody.

>>5706568
At a bare minimum all of Gen 4, Suisei, and Gura all walking out without warning. That is what's keeping them from changing Coco's actress.

>>5710038
The fact that the original is back now doesn't undo that she was changed in the past.

>>5703370
How much would you charge to have someone kill you?

>>5703958
Kson looks boring to me. Needs bigger tits and more orange coloured hair.

>>5710997
Well she's back now. You'll have to forgive the past because of how Kizuna was the first vtuber. As such, she encountered most of the teething issues of vtubers and mapped out the minefield for others. If there hadn't been such a strong reaction to the original VA being replaced, we wouldn't now hold the shared understanding with Vtuber companies that the VA is the soul of the character and cannot be replaced.

>>5711071
You might be better off in >>>/h/ then.

>>5703220
Never. It would set a precedent and no amount of money is worth it for Clover to do that. Giving the idea that you can just buy out of the company after getting your growth and audience from the brand, that would be the dumbest idea ever.

>>5711222
Being sexy = being more interesting.

>>5706777
The hell are you talking about, I may agree with you that China has invented some new stuff and is not devoid of innovation as some other anons has said. But China is not advancing tech faster than the west primary because of their habit of cutting corners even in the top level of their academia, its to the point that a mind boggling amount of their research is flat out incorrect or just made up. Having no standard or a disregard for standard for QC of tech has made tech development in china a freaking mind field, since they have no idea if whatever home grown innovation they're developing on is actually bullshit. That's why a majority of tech coming out of China seem so heavily influenced from western tech, because even the Chinese don't trust their own tech to develop off of.

Case in point the most famous genetic engineering discovery in recent memory from China, was applying western tech ie CRISPR-CAS9 to gene edit some human babies, the only new thing there was applying previously primate tested tech on humans with abandon. And no the chinese do not ignore bureaucracy in their tech development it's just heavily based on guanxi so that it makes it look like they have no bureaucracy while in reality they have some opaque feudal system going on in the background. Because that chinese guy from the CRISPR experiment ignored CCP bureaucracy to do his human experiments and he ended up CCP jail for it.

>>5710681
Yeah. what even is the real reason she's quitting hololive?

>>5703220
it isn't just a matter of money, so no. Perhaps if Cover was shutting down it would be possible though for Coco... but I don't think she'd bid for it. Miko would be more likely to attempt to buy the character. She is absolutely wedded to it.

>>5706777
I don't know much about other things, but China absolutely isn't outpacing the US when it comes to space exploration, whether unmanned or manned now thanks to spacex. This isn't really the board for it though, so no point going into further details.

>>5712140
The real, non-rrat reason is that after the Taiwan incident, Cover decided to reign in what their talents are allowed to do, in order to prevent another situation like that. All stream ideas required manager approval, making things like Asacoco nearly impossible due to the timing on everything. Several other talents have expressed disappointment over management cancelling their projects as well (see: Pekora making a stream where she cried to her members and then taking a break over a project that management denied). Coco just got sick of the restriction.

>>5706117
thats because half of her subs are eops who don't know even basic information,
half of these people don't even know asacoco exists

>>5711159
>You'll have to forgive the past because of how Kizuna was the first vtuber

>kizunai ai
>first vtuber

holy shit the newfag eop memes were real.

>>5713791
Newton didn't invent gravity, but he was still the first person to figure out how it works and publish his ideas.

I feel like the only time buying back character would be even an option if Cover went bankrupt, but at this point I'm sure some other company would buy them out.

They seem on good or at least decent terms. I doubt they would allow her to use Coco's avatar anymore but they might let her collab with her other avatar later on. Depends if Cover puts a ban Holo members collabing with her and if so for how long is the ban? Maybe they can collab with her but on her stream also without using Covers VT avatars, just voice only.

>>5708996
I highly doubt that. Most of her loyal fans would just gladly migrate to Kson. Only schizos would think that she's on bad terms with Holo.

>>5703220
Is the roommate just as vulgar as coco? Or is she even more? Does she swear as much or act the same? I'm still not sure if I should follow her. If she's going to be a different character, it's not coco anymore. But I know it's going to feel different either way.

>>5719074
She's pretty much the same

>>5706957
She’s not smart enough to conduct business negotiations by herself and is probably getting bad advice from those two top hat wearing henchmen out of a low budget 1970s Hong Kong kung fu movie.

>>5703220
I doubt Kson has the ability to do character modeling, which I'd probably would guess that the person who made the Kson model also got brought on to Cover as well.

Now Kson would be in a legal bind if she got a new dragon model, which I doubt she would be that competitively aggressive.it sounds like she's leaving on good terms; otherwise legal holding on that character, as well as Cover Legal probably going to keep an eye on her streams for a while, would make it near impossible to revive a pseudo-clone of Coco.

t. Business Law grad

>>5722477
She made the Kson model herself. In Koikatsu. I can recognize every part used in it from the better repack 1.0.

>>5722477
>t the person who made the Kson model also got brought on to Cover as well.
What? There's literally thousands of indie chuubas out there, Anon, and they all have their own avatars made by different people or by themselves. It's not that hard.

>>5722772

>>5722765

Ah, I see a lot of westerners contract the model making out for a few thousand on average, and put legal forbearance on the model as well for infringement protection.

Though, if she is using a generalized suite to make her model, she has fewer legal protections in terms of ignorant infringement.

Granted, I don't know much about Kson, and she probably has an attorney on retain.

>>5722477
>>5724297
>No understanding of Japanese IP law.
>No understanding of Japanese contract law.
>Reddit spacing
Please stop. You look like a damned fool.

>>5710859
If you thought zhangs were bad, just wait until Japanese autists get the call.

>>5705950
Roboco (the actual character itself) is kuromaru's OC which afaik was meant to be used for something completely different, and predates hololive as a whole.
>>5705720
This is true but cover didn't pay kuromaru to design Roboco, they asked if they could borrow one of his OCs for a bit.

>>5725142
Suisei and Miko are similar characters who existed before joining Hololive.

>>5703958
>I imagine myself wallowing on top of her roommate and being completely coated with her bodily fluids
Now THAT is based. Kson is hot as fuck.

>>5726053
Miko was a seperate project of Cover though. Suisei was indie.

>>5704893
I dont know who coco s artist is but if hololive is a regular customer then no way him doing something like that

And also no way cover selling rights to a model for 50k, every girl would buy theirs if that is case. You are off by a digit at least

I am sure coco will get a new model, but it wont be any similar yo her olds

>>5703220
Coco is graduating, but her avatar isn't getting thrown in the trash. It'll sit in a garage for 500 years, waiting for her to come back.

>>5711071
Based

>>5703220
Well there's a precedent inside the fad, but I really doubt how she can get the Kiryu Coco property

>>5729365
At least Cover should share it on 3D Nico

>>5703464
>kill
>got
nigger get your tenses right

>>5708970
>I highly fucking doubt her ASMR makes more money than streaming in hololive.
Lol look at this fucking retard

>>5703657
Are you just tuning in now? Her current behavior is very on-brand for Coco, with the exception of the feeling of impending graduation causing things to have a sad undertone.

>>5706568
That's just a fucking rrat, she *NEVER* got replaced, though it did seem like the case but that was due to shitty management

FEW vtubers have had their va's replaced, gamebu supposedly doesn't count because they're "C-tubers" (cop out response), a few smaller ones got replaced BUT THEY WERE FUCKING CLEAR CUT even though it's heart breaking all the same, ai chan NEVER got replaced, and she mentioned this in many videos with fucking subtitles.

As for cover replacing coco, you fucking retarded, the voice is too distinct not even kanata can do it right not without literally dying (lol) and her personality shifting to anything safe would be an instant give away that and I wouldn't wish whoever did somehow repalce her that fate, the zhangs will mentally break her, coco adapted to it thanks to how strong she was and knowing not all of the bugs hated her
>>5710997
She never fucking changed dipshit, she proved that, we all know the fucking va, all that was done (despite the warning signs) was just her getting a fucking break with the stand in ai's who eventually got made into distinct characters, if not for the bad management "ai" would be making videos everyday like her initial showing, instead she has a healthy upload rate that makes sense she has other gigs like being the companion ai in azur lane but credited as her va's name
>>5713791
What, the annoying orange, the concept of vtubers existed before kizuna ai BUT THE FIRST SELF PROCLAIMED virtual youtuber is infact kizuna ai, everyone else prior was just an animated character, otherwise vrchat faggots would be all vtubers

Why would you fags think that coco wants to stay vtubing?
She has always wanted to be an actress, kson was just something she did because she enjoys interacting with people while she plays games, but she does have dreams bigger than vtubing

Now that her voice is internationally recognizable, her options for the future are huge, vtubing is pretty small shit in the grand scheme of things

>>5704962
Her roommate makes good money doing asmr blowjobs while shoving her almost bare ass into the camera lens

>>5703220
>Would it be possible for someone like Kiryu coco to buy her virtual avatar and keep using it outside of hololive?
Yes
>Will Cover do it?
No

>>5733792
> shoving her almost bare ass into the camera lens
fucking source, daddy needs the sniffs

>>5733792
Link
I only saw streams whe she shovs her almost bare boobs into the camera lens

>>5734086
>>5734458
Search it yourself and pay for it piggies

>>5734549
i refuse to give Noel a single cent.

>>5703220
its 100% impossible and why would you need it. i prefer kson avatar. you will get used to it immediately.

also japanese dont run business like amerimutts. mutt business is literally all about making money and monopolisation, but those niche companies in the japanese geek industries only give a shit about their own niche things. they dont bother to take over what others are doing without an aesthetic decision.

>>5713791
she's the first one because she invented the word

>>5703220
lmfao, for Coco to buy her model she would have to spend like 10M usd or some stupid number like that. Would be the worst investment of all time.

>>5705978
She's not going anywhere and has recently been using her 3D avatar more lately, i wouldn't be surprised if she pays someone to design and rig a new Live2D for her some time in the future.

>>5738848
That's absurd. Kson is worth more than some png character. When Coco finally graduates her live2D worth wiill drop to $0. It's not the model that makes a vtuber, it's the personality. And Coco is taking her personal along with her. Most of Coco's paypigs are from her Kson days. Now they're simply returning home. If you disagree with my statement, then you are a Zhang. Fuck of Zhang.

>>5741015
You don't know how to read. What I said didn't change at all. If she wants to buy the Coco model, she would have to pay cover 10 million dollars, and that would be a bad investment. You did not read what I wrote and just went on a rant by yourself talking about things that were not related. you are a fucking retard

>>5741131
The retard here is You. Coco png without Coco is not worth a dime. Cover has no use for that png it's worthless. Kson on the other hand is worth MORE. If another agency came in and wanted Kson, they would have the spend millions on her. YOU are valuing a png more than the actual personality and that's fucking plain stupid. Kson is currently the highest growing vtuber in japan. That says something. Use your brain nigga.

>>5703220
>Would it be possible for someone like Kiryu coco to buy her virtual avatar and keep using it outside of hololive?

What part of she is graduating because she wants to stop streaming as Coco and not because she has issues with Cover that you guys don't get?

>>5741131
>Zhang thinking a png is worth 10million dollars.

>>5741131
Again you are talking about shit I didn't talk about. I didn't mention kson at all. What I said was, that Cover will not sell the Coco character for less than 10 million. And I said that given the bad investment obviously she would not buy it. So again, what I said didn't change at all. You are just a fucking retard that doesn't know how to read. Please kill yourself

>>5741723
>she is graduating because she wants to stop streaming as Coco
nigger, she never said that

>>5741740
You really think a png is worth $10million. The absolute state of this place. Hell. At this point I've made up mind that everyone here is a falsefagging idiot. You included anonchama.

>>5742064
I don't you fucking retard. That's why I said she would obviously not buy. Holy SHIT you CAN'T FUCKING READ. I obviously meant that since Cover would not want the Coco character to go they would only sell it for a stupid amount of money. YOU CAN'T FUCKING READ HOLY SHIT, GO BACK TO SCHOOL

>>5741740
dumb monkey thinking. go read your cape garbage amerimutt.

>>5742064
he wouldnt understand that. hed understand if you explain cocos mama (designer) would design her new avatar for 500-1k dollars.

>>5742266
holy fuck another retard that can't read english

>>5742376
your brain isnt working in a normal human way. you seem to have the wrong idea about IP. you assume its like your amerimutt capeshit IPs.

>>5742158
Cover literally can't sell something as worthless as a png for $10million. That's too expensive. And if Kson were serious about buying the png and took things to court. Cover would lose and it's not even funny. Overvaluing something like that would put cover in a bad position. Hell Kson might even get the model free of charge.

>>5742064
Why don't you try buying it for less yourself if you think you're able to? This is your chance to become Coco!

>>5742534
>And if Kson were serious about buying the png and took things to court. Cover would lose
Nigger you're fucking high

>>5742504
your brain doesn't understand simple sentences. I'm going to break them up for your reptilian brain to keep up.
1- OP asked if she would be able to buy the Coco character
2- I said yes, but she would need to pay a huge amount
3- Why a huge amount? It would look bad on Cover to see her use the character away from hololive so only a huge amount of money would make Cover change their minds
4- I said that obviously that would be a bad investment for her
5- everything that I said was to answer OP's question of acquiring Coco, I didn't say if she should or not, or if it would be worth it or not. It just a hypothetical
6- You subhuman monkey that can't read english then started talking about kson, and how much the artist would charge because you are rats that can't read.

Can you keep up now that I broke it up for you. Surely now even your doglike brain would understand

>>5742547
Unfortunately for you, I don't have a stake in that imaginary race.

>>5742619
>Nah I'm based as fuck.

>>5742534
They literally can sell it for whatever fuck price they fucking want you stupid fuck. The only thing they need to do is pay a cut to the artist.
>might even get the model free of charge
You aren't fucking real, there is no fucking way a human can be so fucking retarded

I wanna suck and slurp Coco's feet. Her Aida cosplay is hardening AF. It makes me throb harder the steel pipes (You)r father uses to beat you. Her menhera looking face is extremely attractive. Goddamn do I wanna tongue her open wound looking ears. Your oshi pales in comparison anonchama.

>>5743156
Same, I was going to watch her, but now that she's going to be a vtuber again I'm not interested. Wanted her to be a normal streamer now. But I guess she wants to collab with other indies, so she would have to go the vtubing route

>>5742804
>>5742534
>Nah you gay as fuck fag
>Learn to IP
It also has to do with who has the rights to merchandising and who has the rights to use the character in future IP's such as a anime or video game etc. Moreover since the character has been mainly associated with Cover, there is a risk that if some other yab happens it can reflect badly on Cover despite her not being associated with Cover anymore. It's not just about money, Cover is not going to let her have control of the IP end of.

>>5742683
your have to agree that your "its worth $10m" hypothesis is nonsense and wrong since cover would actually sell it to her for a much cheaper price if she and cover sealed the deal on it.

>3- Why a huge amount? It would look bad on Cover to see her use the character away from hololive so only a huge amount of money would make Cover change their minds

this is nothing but your delusion regardless of whether or not shes gonna buy it. why would it be "bad" in the first place? is it because itd remind holo jp fans of chink insects and covers fuckups even though cover will keep managing cocos history forever?

>>5743317
but cover won't accept a cheaper price for it
just see >>5743259 if you still don't understand why cover will never let go of the character then the only thing I have to say to you is this: Good luck in life, you will need it given that you have 50 IQ

>>5703683
How? i cant imagine vtubers being wealthy enough to buy their avatars from a company like cover if they want.

>>5732596
It brings her too much money to fully quit Vtubing. She can continue on her original channel with and without her KSON model whenever she feels like it. The only question remains will she join a new agency or remain independent.

>>5741008
Why is she so ESL when she grew up in America?

>>5747852
She's been away for years and has spent the last few doing daily reps and force immersing herself to overcome the broken japanese she was getting by with before. It helped her JP improve substantially but her English grammar has suffered through lack of daily use. That said, just the handful of EN collabs she was able to finally have these last couple weeks saw Coco's English recover markedly.

>>5703370
their avatar isn't that important

>2022
>Hololive uses Coco's image to promote their newest product
How does that make you feel?

>>5703220
No.
It's better for her to dump the Coco avatar for good. She's cursed with bugs for the rest of her life as an entertainer, though. She has way more freedom as an independent Vtuber and can just upgrade that persona.

>>5743215
She'll probably do a mix, with more vtuber stuff going forward. She won't have any restrictions on what she wants to do.