/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>56913166
Only when you abort Vespers baby.

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>>56913166
Do a naked dogeza and there's a slight chance that I may forgive you.

>>56913166
Fuck a cucumber on stream first

>>56913166
I sentence her to 6 months imprisonment in the chicken's guest bedroom and subject to her Idol rehabilitation program.

>>56913166
Stop lying

Kronii... your merch is ass. The only good thing is the mug.

>>56913166
jajajajaja no

>>56913166
I moved on from you last year. There are even better girls now.

>>56913166
I will literally never support Mori, Kronii, or Ame in any way shape or form ever. I will always think of them as lesser, I will always hate them, and I will always avoid content that includes them in any way, shape, or form. The reason is simple. They are anathema to Hololive and the values of cute girls doing cute things. They have shown through their words and actions that they are not the right fit for Hololive and that they don't belong there. Moreover they have shown that instead of trying to fit in, they would rather take radical measures to try and change Hololive. Hololive should not have to suffer people who are just there to cynically funnel attention to their roommates, lazy ironic weebs, or spiteful bitches.

>Y-You should forgive her!
No.

>S-She's changed, she's better now
No she hasn't and even if she has, I don't care, she will never be forgiven for her past sins.

>Y-Your information is months/years out of date
Possibly, because that's when I stopped watching them. As I said, I'm not going to forgive them.

>Don't you believe in second chances?
All these girls got multiple chances and at every opportunity, they fucked it up. They showed they would rather "own the haters" or rather get up on a soapbox and dispense their stupid uninformed opinions to the legions of people who support them. What a lot of people fail to recognize is that Hololive IS a second chance. These girls failed at being fucking waitresses. They couldn't even do a basic service job. Just by being in Hololive, they are given a wonderful opportunity to make the kind of money 99% of the world will never see and they should be grateful because none of them could hack it in the real world. But instead of being grateful, they got full of themselves and decided to try the "my way or the highway" approach.

>Y-You're just a schizo anti!
Actually I'm being hyper rational. I gave all these girls chances and they all chose to make bad decisions. I do not harass them on Twitter, I don't stalk them, I don't even leave negative comments on their videos. I just simply do not watch them, I do not buy their merch, and I tell everyone on this discussion forum that I do not like them and that others should not watch them either. I inform people who are new, who may not know why they are hated, of the things these girls did in the past and why people have a sour view of them now. Obviously I cannot make other people stop supporting them, everyone is free to do what they want. But I will warn others of the type of shit they've pulled in the past and consequently the type of person they've shown themselves to be.

>TLDR
These girls are not worth your time or money. There are plenty of other girls who are.

>>56913166
naked dogeza
now

>>56913316
>>56913368
>>56913581
>>56914252
this is why no one takes the v tuber community seriously

>>56914149
Didn't read lol

>>56914315
no one gives a fuck what reddit or twitter thinks you brainwashed homobeggar faggot

>>56913283
KEK

>>56913368
>naked dogeza
Superb taste.

I'm enjoying her 2nd anniversary. It's hilarious how some of you are such fucking losers. Friendless and womanless.

>>56913166
that's why she's being giving into the lewd coomerbait so hard recently
she's hoping her licking sounds and plap plap jokes will bring you guys back

>>56914315
shut up kroni

>>56914552
>calling others friendless and womanless
>enjoying an uwu anime girl streamers 2nd anniversary
Look in the mirror you dumbfuck

>>56914680
>Replying to obvious bait
You're the dumbfuck here

>>56914865
Sorry but I dont respect timecucks enough to believe thats bait

>>56913166
she's never said that
if any holomem apologises for their yabs, it is forgiven 100%

>>56914149
Based, I kneel.

>>56914552
this coming from some krocuck white knighting that dumb hateful bitch? you're the most maidenless of all, and you know it

>>56913166
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA KRONII UR SO TIGHT
*NUTS* *NUTS* *NUTS* *NUTS* *NUTS* *NUTS* *NUTS*
qaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>56914149
>reddit space

>>56914149
Based AF

>>56914315
Oh no… faggots don’t respect my niche hobby… what will I ever do alienating them? Woe is me…

>>56913368
>naked dogeza
Holy based.

>>56914149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXPC2HXjrYU

>>56913166
I'll never get why fuckers dogpile on Kronii specifically but give Calli, Ollie, Bae, and Kobo a free pass
>B-Buh we shit on them too-
No you fucking don't, Kronii's the only one who gets shit on as if she's some fucking martyr for collab begging
You dont see her collabing with literally every popular male vtuber even ones outside of the company like Nijisanji like Calli, you don't see her forcing Kiara to acknowledge the males existence like Kobo, Kronii never told you to "improve yourself" like Ame

What the fuck did Kronii say specifically to make your witchhunt SOLELY focused on her?

>>56914149
Hello based department?

>>56916136
>What the fuck did Kronii say specifically to make your witchhunt SOLELY focused on her?
Unarchived members stream. You had to be there.

>>56914149
Good shit dude, now stop shitting up their live chats.

>>56916136
>give calli a free pass

lol. lmao. And such.

>ollie

Worst performing holoLIVE for a good reason.

>bae

Filtered right from the start.

>kobo

Indo cunny. Who cares?

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>>56916136
Calli has a music career, bae hate threads get deleted, and no one gives a fuck about ID

>>56916136
I guess you missed the members stream where she promised one thing and then immediately turned around and said "fuck all that I'll do whatever I want."

>>56916341
I keep trying to find the link for it for months, but to no avail

>>56916136
>Listening to an e-girl say "improve yourself" like Ame
I get the idea of liking them, but don't change your very being for one of them. Be your own personmxhka

>>56916136
>mori
Deadbeat janny bans anybody who badmouths her on sight in the vain hope that she'll one day blow him. That's why there are hardly any mori bait threads. You want less kronii threads? Get a kronie in a janny role and then it'll slow down

>>56914149
>Hololive IS a second chance.
There's a marked difference in the ones that know what they have and the ones that don't.

>>56913166
the amount of seething ex-kronies who are still jealous of vesper spotted kek

>>56916136
Her attitude was dogshit during that era and it left people with a bad impression of her. If you're going to promise your fans one thing don't backpedal a week later with a rebellious girlboss attitude.

>>56914100
yet you're still here? how pathetic are you ugly? lol

>>56913166
I never considered it, but kronies must be over the fucking moon right now right? They don't gave to pretend to like that faggot anymore

>>56914149
>Gigachad pic
>Is actually based

>>56916416
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>>56917223
Read the whole thing, now I understand how badly kronies were betrayed so thanks for explaining anons

>>56917278
Not any more pathetic than ESL white knights like you LMAO.

>>56913166
There's a place to go back to if you apologize for what you did wrong
If you can't apologize, you can't save

>>56914149
I love that Kronii repels autists like this.

>>56917278
rando anon replying to a public thread asking if former kronies forgive?

>>56917661
And I love that kronii attracts mentally-challenged, half-reptilian hybrids like you.

>>56917661
Now if only she can repel whoresh tendencies and STDs.

>>56917278
Isn't telling disgruntled people to move on without harrassing people what you preach on main?
yet the only ugly thing in here is you as seen with your crass reply, sis.

>>56916416
>Less than a day later she tweeted the underwear and said she would collab with whoever she wants

One of the certified /vt/ events of all time and the part of Kronii I'll never understand. Crazy how we still talk about this event and most in /vt/ still remember the shitstorm.

>>56913166
No

>>56914149
Based king and reddit spacingpilled

Nope. Naked dogeza or paizuri.

>>56913166
>Kronii never apologized for treating her fanbase like shit and taking them for granted.
You reap what you sow, bitch!

>>56914149
nice copypasta. Perfect for these threads.

>>56915871
except redditfags are pro homo.

Baffling for teacucks and cuckronies still believing their lies. Even the paypigs and goslings left for better.

>>56918350
yeah the kronig general was really funny to read during that arc
I'm eagerly waiting for the cherry on top when the first advent surpasses her in all metrics.

>>56914149
GIGABASED

>started her 2 year anniversary stream at 899k subscribers
>didn't manage to break 900k by the end
Her channel growth is so dead

huh i never liked kroni but did know it was that egregious

>>56914149
Kronii and Ame are actually quite neutral in their stance. They seem to have no interest in ecelebs and changing the culture or any of that shit. It's just that the way that EN was structured led them to believe that the rules are such that interacting with and promoting your 'coworkers' was the normal and correct thing to do (it clearly wasn't since it caused huge problems for the talents and the fanbase). I don't find myself supporting them or anything either since it all goes on the scorecard, but I do want to see EN thrive as a CGDCT environment. You can't have that if you make it impossible for that to happen.

>>56914149
It has been awhile where a post on /vt/ was genuinely based

>>56919327
it'll be the dogs

>>56916416
At first I thought this was schizo ramblings, then I read the whole thing. I always thought the hate came from small dick energy about a girl talking to a guy. NOW I understand the hatred. She made a promise and she broke it.
If this is all true, then no. You should never forgive her. And it's too late to apologise.
This is like FWMC having their pledge and then suddenly saying "actually that pledge was never serious un un"

>>56914149
here is another reply to make this seem more significant or controversial

>>56919823
instant death for both of them
BAU BAU

>>56913166
*sigh* fiiiiine.

>>56919581
People gave them so many chances and they still insisted on burning the bridge and now that they're left with ashes you ask of us again extend an olive branch to them and risk getting burnt again?
Why don't they rebuild the bridge themselves? I remember people giving Matsuri another chance last year when she tried re-engaging the box with her "idol" push and look where that went when she gave up shortly after because fans are not that easy to regain if you just put in the motions without the commitment.

>>56919750
>Ouroboros
>Snake eater
Kino

>>56920105
Because both stayed perfectly within Hololive before Tempus, and technically also after them. It's just that "Hololive" was "redefined". Basically, as long as weird changes aren't made and the environment is kept CGDCT, I expect them to play within it. I just don't expect them to fight for idol values or anything like that if changes are made to challenge it.

>>56919029
They're actually not. I don't remember when but I remember someone showing a screenshot of someone asking to be allowed to talk about more hololive collabs with them and everyone vented about how sick of the constant victim complex sisters have.
But it's reddit so their opinion changes every two seconds.

>>56913166
For... what exactly? Doing her job to stream video game content in a management-organized group project with male members of her company?
I know most antis are in the late-high-school-to-undergrad bracket and have never had an actual job in their lives (actual studies have been done), but just a sneak peak for what happens when you can no longer parasitize your mother's money: Your boss will sometimes ask you to work with people you hate and you don't get to just say 'no'.

>>56914315
good
we hate you

>>56920397
Someone was complaining about stars threads being downvoted and it got like 3k upvotes, while at the same time the replies were mostly ridiculing the OP (these got upvoted too). I guess the sub's not ideologically homogeneous, but the current thread on the faggots' graduations has an overwhelming number of sad replies and they all got 100 upvotes or more. I'm not quite sure what to make of that place.

>>56920587
Except she specifically chose to do it, and continued to do it out of spite. You're way out of your depth to assume that most, let alone all, paypigs use their parents' money to superchat and buy merch. But you made that post in bad faith, anyway.

>>56920587
That perspective has already proven to be a disastrous way of looking at things. You can argue your personal belief, but in the end the fanbase shit itself and there's been problems since, which is a completely predictable outcome to anyone with half a brain who knows the fanbase and their expectations as a result of how Hololive had been generally operating.

>>56914149
>I inform people who are new, who may not know why they are hated, of the things these girls did in the past and why people have a sour view of them now
what did they do

>>56920338
I only highlighted idol values as Matsuri was using it as a pilot to reintegrate into the box, but found it too hard to commit before returning to her old ways.
HoloEN doesn't need to be that, who people tout as entertainers first idols second, just saying that if they forget their place as a holo, dismissing any criticism as antis and going ahead with terrible ideas to own le chuds they are liable to also never support you in return. People forget we are not on twitch with twitch simp culture, the entertainers are not above the fans just as the fans are not above the entertainers.

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>>56917437
>>56917223
The Kronii thing was so fucking retarded because she had them eating out of her fucking palm after the unarchived member stream. Literally every single Kronie, even the most schizo ones, felt like they were closer to Kronii than ever before. They were all happy, they were going to ignore any future male collabs, and they felt like they had reached a new understanding with their oshi. ALL OF THEM. The worst anyone felt was "Eh I'm not happy she'll continue to do male collabs, but I'm glad she talked to us and I'll still continue to support her." Most were over the moon, if you don't believe me, check the threads at that time, they're full of shit like I LOVE KRONII AND IVE NEVER FELT SO CLOSE TO HER.

And then she fucking stabbed them all in the back. And hid behind management. It's insane. It might be the single worst PR handling I've ever fucking seen.

>>56919823
I'd argue it's worse because Fuwamoco are still rather new. This was RIGHT AFTER Kronii's 1 year and then she held did this. It'd be like if Fuwamoco celebrated their 1 year anniversary, had an intimate members only stream, and then went back on the pledge.

>>56916136
>Mori
People have been annoyed with Mori long before the Homos debuted. She was shilling collabs with Trash Taste within a month of debut. She was who she was from the start. Kronii farmed gachikois and then cut them off after she sold her dakimakure and mouse pad.

>Ollie
Again Ollie went Homocollabing pretty early and also nobody gives a fuck about ID

>Bae
Bae literally revealed herself as a Homosimp on debut. Nothing but respect for that. Anyone watching her is not being fooled as to where she stands.

>Kobo
Again, ID, nobody really cares.

We have superior kronii tho

>>56920759
I also remember that reddit was incredibly indifferent to find out Omega was fired and every comment saying that they'll miss him got downvoted.
If I had to guess, it's probably mostly lurkers coming out of the woodwork grieving their graduation. I think most don't actually care.

>>56916136
The others are all basically good-hearted morons. Perhaps not Mori, but she's been the same from day 1. Kronii though? She lied, she backstabbed, she shit on her fans, she sicced management on them. The others didn't do that, they're just garden variety thots. I had no expectations that they were anything else, unlike Kronii. It's the combination of disappointment, wasted potential and betrayal that makes her so reviled. I will anti her forever.

>>56913166
3d dogeza and I may consider it

>>56921339
There are literally no similarities between Nerissa and Kronii besides a big breast model.

Nerissa is high energy, Kronii is no energy.
Nerissa loves Hololive, Kronii didn't even know Ahoy.
Nerissa can sing, Kronii fucking sucks at singing.
Nerissa loves to tease, Kronii is a prude.
The closest Advent to Kronii is actually Shiori, just based on chat interaction and doomer vibes.

>>56914149
>Hololive IS a second chance

>>56916136
Kronii is the only one who did a bait and switch, the others you listed made their positions clear from the start so there's no feeling of betrayal

>>56920587
Your wagon job doesnt make you an adult, and no one in management forced kronii to become a homo collaber retard

>>56921378
I'm sorry Kronii is never going to fuck you and that you're angry about it.

>>56921495
Wagie* fuck you niggers at apple

>>56916136
Because I see Kronii as an ex wife.
I never cared for Mori and the others.

>>56921450
>The closest Advent to Kronii is actually Shiori

You don't even watch her now fuck off

>>56921587
The writing is on the wall shiorinigger, your coping will only last so long

>>56916416
??? This is a nothing burger, she can do whatever what she wants and change opinions like anyone, she's not anchored to anything but the cover contract

>>56914149
Gabe is that you?

>>56916136
Mostly Gabe's fault

>>56921627
Holo lied, numbers died. This nothingburger sure kneecapped her growth. What's that? It's ackshually the industry that's dying? Then I'm even more eager when the first advent surpasses her soon.

>>56913166
I was going to until you metaphorically stabbed me in the back, never trusting you ever again, any collab stream you show up in I will avoid, if you sneak onto someone's voice chat, I'll close the stream, if I meet a kronie IRL wearing your lame merch, I'll actually beat them up and make sure it's stained in their blood, YOU lost a great fan in me.

>>56921239
I feel like the worst that could of happened was that she said "hey I listened to all your concerns but I still want to still do male collabs", it'd absolutely filter people but I think people would have bit the bullet.
What's so egregious is saying she understood the complaints, promising not to do it anymore and then changing her mind entirely.
It reminds me of a girl I know that broke from her shitty ex, she tried to go back to him, I told her she was making a mistake, she understood and agreed. Then less than 5 hours later she went "actually I can decide who I want to see or not".

>>56921624
Kill yourself mud hut dweller

>>56921814
A pale ass fat fuck like you can walk outside without your mobile, let alone swing fists? Nah, I can believe it. Retard strength and all.

>>56914149
bravo

>>56921627
just because you see it that way doesn't mean everyone else does too. the fact that you're a threadreader and probably weren't even there when it happend additional to the fact that you aren't a fan of hers, so you couldn't care less about this to beginn with, doesn't help your case either.
stop being so painfully egotistical. the opinion of an outsider never matters in these debates

>>56921814
>if I meet a kronie IRL wearing your lame merch, I'll actually beat them up
lol no you won't

Stop shitposting with my oshi please and thank you, homos were defeated today lets all celebrate

>>56921827
She never promised not to do it anymore. She always said the male collabs would continue. However she said they would not be hosted on her channel, she would not initiate them. she was not LIKELY to interact with them on Twitter, and she also told people who were attacking CGDCTfags to fuck off. At no point did she ever say she would stop male collabs or even male interaction, but she made it seem like she understood her fans and valued them.

>>56921827
The dealbreaker for me was when she chose to go public with it. It was a wholly internal matter, and should have been dealt with quietly. Do another MO stream, make your stance clear, and accept the consequences. Why air your dirty laundry like that, instead? Why summon twittards, who never cared about the industry, to come and shit on your fanbase? Why cower behind omegatroon? It was completely uncalled for.

>>56914149
BASED BASED BASED

>>56922042
>shit on your fanbase
Buddy, if she thinks she shit on you means she shit on the whole fanbase, then you're way more schizo than the folks supporting her.

>>56914149
instead of being a gigantic faggot just do what almost everyone else does and not give them money.

Stop thinking you're special because you dont.

>>56920952
They collabed with men and at the same time made fun of their audience disliking that. Ame told them to "improve" themselves, and Kronni mockingly said "don't you have female friends chat?", probably that's it but who knows, don't watch them.

I will forgive her if a month passes without her acknowledging the graduations

>>56922036
>>56922042
Fair points. There's still a lot I don't understand about it because I was never a Kronie. I was one of the ones that jumped off in the first week
It's like the image earlier said, it's a complicated problem that people there would understand the most.

>>56922220
Parts of it, half of it, most of it, all of it. However you want to quantify it. Even a pathetic dog like kronig was a paying fan. Shitting on any of them was unnecessary since they weren't antis.

>>56913166
Love you Kronii!

>>56916416
damn I never knew she did this. thanks anons

>>56914149
>What a lot of people fail to recognize is that Hololive IS a second chance
This

>>56921010
By "idol" I meant CGDCT. Anyway I really don't think Kronii or Ame are antagonistic characters. I just don't see the will or desire from them to change things. But they will drink the kool-aid about coworkers shit because they don't see how in a more abstract way it's even an issue and can cause major problems. That's why it's important that management doesn't create that sort of environment so the problem is avoided entirely.

>>56921627
>nothing burger
holy kek cope Kroniie

>>56922291
You're never going to see any consensus here, anon.

Most of the people who hate Kronii here act like they were their #1 fans that were betrayed by her and they're never going to see reason because they can't help it.

Basically, she had an unarchived members karaoke, mentioned she did appreciate us, the fans, and then made a Twitter post saying she'll continue collabing with whoever she wants.

Now these bros here took that as the worst betrayal possible, and made this entire board more schizo and annoying with their constant bait threads.

Most here don't even care about her, but it's these clowns who keep making the bait threads so they coom over their own hatred.

>>56922260
when you see this thread do you blame them? Also why would you think they where mocking their audience? Notice how almost nobody knew what she did in the first place?

>>56913166
>insulted her own fans for nothing
fuck off kronii you don't deserve anything

>>56922557
Nah, see. The schizo anons here think they're her only audience. Therefore, whenever they think they're being mocked, they think the chuuba is mocking the entire audience.

Very egotistical and self-indulgent you see.

>>56913166
She apologized?

>>56913166
I'll forgive you if you come over and give me paizuri

>>56922291
>>56922460
If you want to hang around for like 30 minutes, I will upload the video and you can see for yourself. That's how damning it is. You can even follow along on the community post in her Youtube channel if you go back far enough however, many of the comments are gone now. But she read them. Most of them. Not just the ones from her biggest paypigs or her spreadsheet. She took the time to address the concerns of almost every fan who spoke up against the collabs and she thanked them for their support, said she could sort of see where they were coming from even if she didn't fully understand it, and would not tolerate people attacking the ones expressing their opinions as incel unicorns. It won her a lot of goodwill. Then she fucking stepped on it and burned it. I was there. It was one of the worst betrayals possible in vtubing.

>>56919581
no such thing as "neutral"

>>56922460
>>56922637
>more patronizing and condescending load of bullshit from an unrepentant kronie

You do you, mr reddit spacer. The receipts have been posted. Being in denial and lashing out at people by calling them "schizo" won't change that. Typical users of ad hominem.

LOL at the sisters replying to themselves trying to play it down, post the archive, let the newfriends judge for themselves.

>>56914149
Based.

>>56916416
>probably not tweet to them that much
>probably
>PROBABLY
Hey look, I found the key word! Maybe the retards who keep talking about her lying or betraying or backstabbing should look up what it fucking means. Here's a tip: It does not mean 'never'.

>>56921239
You summed it up pretty well
It really burned to be a part of that member stream and feel like you actually mattered to her only to get dragged back down to reality the very next day.

>>56922736
>I've spoon fed you something everyone ignored
>thats why youre wrong
anon...

>>56922746
h-homobeggars s-sisters.. dont look...

>>56914149
I didn't read but I see a lot of justified hatred and I kneel. Based, I would say.

>>56914149
Bau Baused

>>56922808
>everyone

Basically you and your herd. Nothing more.

>>56922708
Neutral meaning, no real interest in one way or another. Whatever the rules say.

>>56914149
based as fuck

>>56914149
Well said amigo

>>56922795
yeah I feel sorry for you guys, even I flinched from how hard she faceslapped you from all the way here. Also mori who probably egged her on, don't forget the chicken fucking dinner gloating tweet from her RM at the same time this was happening.

>>56922736
I'm not the one in denial here. I was there watching it all go down, but I'm not the one who thinks they got betrayed.

You and the others act like she deliberately went and mocked you when in the end she took your opinions in consideration and just decided to just disagree with you all on which direction she wanted to take.

Just because I suggested fries to a buddy, and he ordered onion rings instead doesn't mean it's a betrayal.

>>56913166
Did she mention either of them during her Bday stream?

>>56922912
>don't forget the chicken fucking dinner gloating tweet from her RM at the same time this was happening
qrd? what so good about having chicken as dinner menu

>>56915871
>he can't tell the difference between reddit spacing and normal paragraphs
Newfag spotted

>>56922956
>Just because I suggested fries to a buddy, and he ordered onion rings instead doesn't mean it's a betrayal.
That's gotta feel like shit.

hello last time i was here was the rushia mafu mafu abortion drama
this is very interesting... so kronii is a bitch whore huh thats crazy
i just found out about the new vtuber biwhore is a whore too damn..
i tried looking for videos about vtuber drama but its some retard that doesnt understand idol culture had to close it

What tourists will never understand is this.
>""An idol must not get together with a man. An idol has thousands, tens of thousands of fans. Some of them may have girlfriends, and some may be already married. But you know, some of them are guys who never had a girlfriend. Some of them may never have a girlfriend in their lives, and those guys are the main source of your income. Those guys are working a sweat every day, doing their best at whatever job they have. The women who work with them may call them gross or stinky, but they put up with it. They continue to put up with it because they love you. They use that hard-earned income to meet up with you, to buy your merchandise, and it's because they sincerely wish that their money will help you live a better life. There aren't many dedicated guys out there, you know? If you're gonna tell them outright that you've been going out with another guy, that's truly the worst, most despicable act of betrayal you could ever do."

Now what is important here isn't the fucking "never collab with a man" part. It's this part:

>The women who work with them may call them gross or stinky, but they put up with it. They continue to put up with it because they love you. They use that hard-earned income to meet up with you, to buy your merchandise, and it's because they sincerely wish that their money will help you live a better life. There aren't many dedicated guys out there, you know?

When Kronii first did the male collabs, and her members started posting their objections, they got fucking DRAGGED. On Youtube, on Twitter, on Reddit obviously, and by tourists here. Everyone called them incels, unicorns, etc. But they didn't care. They only wanted to talk to their oshi and they only cared what their oshi thought about them. And then a miracle happened.

Their oshi saw them. She saw them and she read their concerns and she said their concerns had merit and defended them from all the people calling them unicorn incels. And she said she was going to continue with male collabs anyways, but at that point her fans were still in love with her and so they accepted that.

Do you know what would have happened at that point? If she had just left it at that? She would have gone on doing male collabs and Kronies would be happy, and EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PERSON on this board would have called Kronies the biggest fucking cucks ever for accepting that shit. And they wouldn't care because they had the love of their oshi and that's all that matters. She understood them. So they were willing to overlook male collabs for that love.

But instead she went back on it and sided with the very people she had just defended them from.

>>56914149
m-my knees...

>>56922956
>Food analogy
The sign of a fucking midwit.

>>56922855
Got it. Makes perfect sense. everyone that isn't (You)

>>56922956
>Food analogy
of fucking course

>>56923135
But they weren't willing to overlook anything and immediately chimped out over a tweet which was in line with the supposedly reached middle ground.

>>56923135
Maybe you shouldn't have spent the entirety of her break screeching and calling her a lying whore because she "broke her promise" she never even made. No fucking shit she's going to go "nah, fuck that, I'm out" and turn her back on you, because anybody with even a lick of sense would do the same fucking thing.

>>56923135
>But instead she went back on it and sided with the very people she had just defended them from.
The most brutal part of it all was pre-emptively getting management involved before any harassment had happened. Not only are you saying their opinion doesn't matter but you're assuming that they're scum that will attack/threaten you. I never stopped being a fan of hers but that part is still hard to swallow (yes I know it was aimed at the extreme minority who would do that but the other kronies didn't get a chance to prove they weren't like that)

>>56923297
Don't bother, anon, they think they're the victims and not the aggressors. Fuck, I bet most of the Kronies disappointed she collabed with dudes already moved on to another oshi anyway. The fags here are just letting her live free in their heads.

>Kronii is a time Vtuber
>time is believed by some to have a strong connection with the divine like a few other parts of the universe
>time is represented by Kronos (Similar to Kronii) in greek
>Kronos has a parallel in Roman Saturn (which looking at the story of both people have drawn parallels to Satan from abrahamic faith)
>Kronii is a backstabbing evil woman who took other’s love for granted out of pride just like Satan in the stories
It’s all connected, and you can’t convince me otherwise.

>>56923363
Were you not here when all that went down? Some bozos here went full edge lord about it.

>>56923007
>>>34166078

>still seething over that DbD collab one year later all because a gigaschizo duped you all into raiding her schedule and spamming disingenuous super chats
Her only mistake was ever addressing this stupid shit to begin with

>>56923363
>pre-emptively getting management involved before any harassment had happened
Nice revisionism.

>>56923135
Maybe she did the tweet considering her fan's feelings by being as transparent as possible? not that I defend her but hey, it's possible. No ill-will intended.

>>56913166

>>56923363
>The most brutal part of it all was pre-emptively getting management involved before any harassment had happened
Gabe got all the upset kronies to spam her channel the second after the collab was over.

>>56923460
Yeah nah, fuck Gabe, I actually got him banned once but it didn't stick. The reaction to Kronii was organic, turns out people fucking don't like men in fucking Hololive. A mind blowing concept to an ironic weeb tourist like you I'm sure.

>>56923424
I was but as far as I can remember it was all contained /here/ with maybe 1-2 actual schizos breaking containment and idk if they were even members. It shouldn't have soured her opinion about her members.

>>56923285
Going from
>"I understand your concerns and will limit my approach to maintain a happy balance" while in a private members stream
To
>"Actually I don't want any restrictions. I'll just do whatever I want! Here's a statement from the management backing me up btw! See you in a week when the flames die down!" While on an open platform and inviting ridicule upon your fanbase who just bared their hearts out a day prior
Sure pal

>>56923135

>>56923135
not a tourist I just don't agree with you
take responsibility for your opinions

>people expected the queer Korean woman to act like a tradwife
>while being backed up by Mori "I can do whatever I want" Calliope to follow suit
>after management had given the greenlight to male collabs
Even now there is no reason to think she will play by your made up rules.

>>56923578
Nah, it got even worse. Jannys were needing to sweep up some shit sometimes.

>>56923678
even if you want to play hard ball with the idol culture shit, it's so bizarre to make up an entire person in your head and then get mad when the performer doesn't meet your fantasy

https://gofile.io/d/V1hoig

OK here we go. It's a lot of effort for what I assume are mostly trolls in bad faith and Kronii's ESL defense force, but I have uploaded the Unarchived member stream. If you are honestly truly curious, take a look, although it's almost 2 hours long.

Here is Kronii reading the comments and worries from all her members and addressing them like she values them. The same people and comments others would call schizo and unicorns and all that shit. She never promises to stop male collabs. She states she will interact with them on Twitter but probably rarely. If make an honest effort and watch this stream, then look at her actions directly and a week after, and still can't see the issue, I don't know what to tell you. You might be ESL or autistic or both. But there was something pure and true about this stream, and she desecrated it.

>>56923635
Anons here will accuse anyone here who doesn't agree to be tourists, lol

>>56923557
Still doesn't change that had she not said shit all of you would've forgotten and she would've continued without incident, something she even said on her very next stream her managers suggested her doing but she went rogue because she thought she could handle it.
Had she stayed quiet, she wouldn't have needed to address it on stream, or make her member stream, or have her menhera attack in the YouTube comments section, the petty tweet about taking a break, then sizing up Vesper's boxer bulge, and then mocking kronies further with the Vesper Charlie Brown skit.
Paypigs reflect the streamer, Kronii and Gabe probably were perfect for each other in a sick way twisted way.

>>56923398
>Kronii is a backstabbing evil woman
Like most women, but better find out sooner than later.

I’ve gone this long unsubbed from her and ignoring her existence that I’ve gotten used to it + Advent is fucking awesome right now. Don’t think I’ll ever go back to Kronii unless she makes a very clear won’t collab with males going forward statement. Amelia in the other hand…I’m tempted, I was a big gosling before amegeddon

>>56923741
then let it be, she isn't going to be the person you want her to be
to some people, they aren't really bothered. we all have different preferences and limits, its okay. I'm sure there are oodles of vtuber girls that suit your preferences more, right?

>>56923741
>expecting shitposters to watch a 2 hour stream
I respect the effort though

>>56913166
Two homos are dead. That means we can forgive two holos. Which two?

>>56923827
Bae and Mori unironically

>>56923815
She deserves to be put down like a rabid dog

>>56913166
I can say with certainty the phrase 'I'm sorry' has never once come out of her mouth. With the exception of the way valley girls use it sarcastically.

>>56923815
I don't think she will ever change. But if even one new person learns about what a heartless cunt she is, and that this isn't just all unjustified hatred, I'll be glad. The truth is worth it. She'll continue to get away with it, continue to get money from simps and people too new to know any better. But this happened and I want people to know it happened.

>>56923741
Based anon who followed through, I deleted everything I have of her already but I should've kept this as a reminder for others.

>>56923741
What you don't see here is that after this stream, she took a week off. What happened then?
Idiots still harassing her in comments on YouTube and Twitter.
Other idiots doxxing her RM even if we already knew.
Week later, she decides to just say fuck it and collab.
She ain't a fucking saint, but folks saying they were "betrayed" were acting like fucking chimps too

>>56923812
Ame is waiting anon, you did improve yourself right?

>>56923578
>it was all contained /here/

>>56916136
Yeah she just screamed at her audience in the middle of the night tattled to management after making a promise and had them making multiple twitter posts lecturing her audience as well. It was worse than anything ame or mori did. and unlike mori she was sober when she did it.

>>56913166
I dropped Kronii long before the homo shit. She acts like a complete bitch in collabs.

>>56923974
I doubt with the exception of a couple people, no body in this thread was watching the shit unfold in real time at ground zero. This thing was getting signal boosted on twitter and reddit from the get go.

>>56913166
Even though we all know that likely 90% of the talent, be it EN, ID or JP, have boyfriends or at the very least get laid, you can't just break the illusion so openly and expect to get away with it. Kayfabe is still very real in vtubing.

>>56916136
I still am a fan of her, but the reason is explainable I guess.
>Watch her in 2021, she's my favorite of her gen.
>Stop watching Holo in 2022 because my previous oshi left and because I had a vtuber burnout.
>Come back in 2023, I have no fucking idea of what Tempus is, and I just remember the members from what I've seen in 2021
>No male collabs even happen anymore.
>The girls just seem exactly like in 2021, just more mature.
>Mfw I check /vt/ and everyone is talking about people and events I don't know.
I have no idea how I did it, but I avoided the worst year in vtuber history by pure luck.

>>56923896
I don't think its heartless, personally. Like I said, everyone has their limits. We are in the timeline where she couldn't handle stepping on eggshells anymore and did what she wanted. It was a decision I respected, personally, even if you hated it. I don't think she did it in any way to harm other people, but to remove a layer of undue stress from the probably many layers of stress you get by streaming.
I'm not trying to change your mind or anything, but I don't think a lasting grudge against an internet performer is doing you or anyone else any good.

>>56923967
>memoryholed
I did actually improve, I haven't been here or followed chubbas since December, but I didn't do it because she told me to, I don't even member her lmao.

>>56924091
Yeah, no, no matter how you sugarcoat it nobody gets to brush it under the rug.

>>56923741
>she desecrated it
No, the kronies did that by showing her that there was never going to be a mutual understaning.

>>56924091
Do you want me to anti you too? I'll gladly devote my time to it.

>>56923741
Thank you, I’ve been wanting to see this for a while.

>>56924165
What do you mean? Nobody is brushing it under the rug, we recognize it happens, we just moved the fuck on. We aint reversing time here, buster, lamenting is just pathetic.

>>56914149
Incredibly fucking based. I kneel king

>>56923955
There's a lot of things you don't see in this stream, though I doubt you've watched it.

You didn't see people supporting her from Day 1 even when her game choice and zatsu were dogshit.

You didn't see people understanding when she would go radio silent for days or weeks at a time.

You didn't see people listen to her fears, her hopes, her dreams, her self loathing, her worries.

You didn't see people make excuses for her, when she failed to communicate properly for the Nth time, something she acknowledged.

You didn't see people cheering her on, no matter how small the progress in her singing, her gameplay skills, her mixing skills.

Also a fair amount of what you're talking about was burner accounts by trolls and Redditors trying to make the "incels" look bad. Falseflagging. As for "doxxing her RM" aside from Mori, Kronii is the most transparent Holo ever, she actively likes shit on her RM account to her Kronies.

I'm sure you have receipts right? Cause I do. Here is an exchange on Twitter just before the unarchived member stream. Yes obviously Gabe was thinking about sperging out, and Soren too. But other Kronies were going to leave quietly without schizoing out as it was. Then she did that stream.

>>56924207
If you have that much time, maybe get a job, work hard, and get laid instead of following some random anon.

>>56924091
>stepping on eggshells
Don't collab with males. That isn't stepping on eggshells and it isn't difficult in the slightest.

>>56924091
I'm not doing anything against her really, despite other people pretending to be me. All I do is tell people on this board what she did. I don't stalk or harass her IRL or online. I just want people to know that she did this.

>>56914149
In the time it took you to write this, you could have done something productive to actually look like a gigachad

and no idc about mori kronii or ame. people that just acting like gigachads over what entertainment you waste your time watching

>>56916416
Do you people do discord or something or does this happen entirely here? I wanna see these discussions, but I avoid 4chan/Reddit/Discord/Twittet cuz I don't like interracting with people. I only really look at chat on stream

>>56924256
just don't watch EN if you want the real idol GFE?

>>56924251
How about you post your address instead?

>>56924091
I know content creators who have very well paying jobs and degrees that took them a long time to get who throw them away for streaming and content creation. Not just that there are people who've cultivated talents that take just as long to achieve.
Streaming is hard and stressful is such a fucking joke. And there's no courage or strength in backstabbing or betrayal. You are overdosing on estrogen if you can even justify that a little bit.

>>56923955
I honestly have no idea of how this woman tanked the drama, when girls like Aloe or Rushia got destroyed by stuff like that. Gotta admit that just from that I gained respect for her (even though I thank Jesus every hour that Vesper is gone).

>>56923982
Kronii is on weed 24/7.

>>56924091
>but I don't think a lasting grudge against an internet performer is doing you or anyone else any good.
who are you to tell other people what is "good" for them
dont tell other people how to live their life

>>56924283
we know.

>>56924256
What do you want from her or why do you care for her at all? There's hundreds of genuine good girls that need saving, instead you're here wasting your time.

>>56924316
>just don't watch EN if you want the real idol GFE?
Nah. Don't collab with males.

>>56924366
>dont tell other people how to live their life
>tells internet performer how to live their life

>>56924335
I'm not sure what that is supposed to prove. Even simple jobs can be stressful when thousands of people have demands of you.

>>56924240
So, wait, you think it's all falseflagging during that one week break, not even acknowledging how that could have affected Kronii, and still lay the blame on her for coming to a decision about it that you disagree with?

Like I literally don't get how you guys see it as mocking y'all for not doing what you wanted.

>>56917351
You would think any Kronie that cared about her interacting with Vesper would have left last year during the Yab arc, but you're probably right that there are still clockcucks supporting her while also still seething over it who are very happy right now.
Kind of pathetic honestly.

>>56924399
They're going to collab with males because Cover wants males in hololive.

>>56924366
Just some advice
you know it's true, of course

>>56924414
>y'all
Oh look, a genuine twitter tranny.

>>56924315
Yeah, sure: 9 Prospect Avenue, Houston, Texas.
I'll order some pizza so your fat ass can eat some if you do come, anon.

>>56924409
It's supposed to mean that every job that anyone works out there is tougher then being a vtuber. Practically everyone would throw away what they have now to be in Kronii's position.

>>56924414
>So, wait, you think it's all falseflagging during that one week break
>Yes obviously Gabe was thinking about sperging out, and Soren too. But other Kronies were going to leave quietly without schizoing out as it was.
No, I even stated as much. I have no doubt there were actual Kronies flaming her in addition to falseflaggers. Did you even read? Then again I'm trying to argue in good faith and so far all you've done is try and implement this absurdist reductionism to everything I say.

>>56924387
>What do you want from her
I want Kronii to not collab with males. Which also seems to be what Kronii wants after her male collabs ended it complete disaster.
>why do you care for her at all?
I don't want Kronii doing or saying stupid shit that damages the whole EN branch.

>>56924536
how is texas in the Winter

>>56924401
>>56924448
lmao stupid fucking virtue signalling retard sarcastic high horse cunt fucking hilarious
I don't watch vtubers retard just in this thread for entertainment you clwons are pathetic simps

>>56923955
>Idiots still harassing her in comments on YouTube and Twitter.
This never happened.

>>56924559
I'm not sure I believe that
I don't think the act of streaming itself is very challenging, but I think there are challenges
if we're being honest, I don't know if kronii is the best person for regular, live content. she'd probably be happier with more produced shit.

>>56924447
>They're going to collab with males because Cover wants males in hololive.
Kek. Kronii will probably never collab with males again. There also appears to be a ban on intergender collabs since based Jap starting running the show. Not to mention two Homos just got nuked. I'm afraid your cuck fantasies won't be coming true, sister.

>>56924593
that's swell man

>I moved on from Kronii
>still here bitching one year later
Why even bother posting in this thread?

>>56924616
Yes it did, and both sides were doing it, especially Gabe and the schizos egging it on

>>56913166
Rape correction

>>56924671
Can I see some proof? Gabe I believe but surely there were other Kronies?

>>56924634
Japs were always in charge idiot

>>56914149
>I will always avoid content that includes them in any way, shape, or form.
>proceeds to write a whole essay about them
could've fooled me

>>56924593
you can't virtue signal anonymously......

>>56924567
Because I don't understand your point of view. I don't understand how she betrayed you. I was there in the unarchived, and I saw all the flaming shit happen.

I don't understand why it hurts you all so much when she did end up listening to your concerns, but decided to go with a different direction from what you wanted.

I never even saw her make fun or mock the unicorns even after she started collabing. I don't understand what your thinking is like.

If you just hate her now because she collabed with dudes, then okay. That's your own thing then, but I see so many in this thread make it like it was this big dramatic betrayal or something.

>>56924536
It's like 2:30 in the morning bro.

>>56924387
Apologize or die. Those are the options.

All women are the same, including 2D.

>>56924657
>>56924710
calling out the faggotry when I see them take it like a man pussy

>>56924630
The amount of people who abandon their well paying careers to get into it says otherwise.

>>56924671
>Yes it did
It did not. Every time I've asked for proof of this I've gotten screenshots of incredibly tame replies of people simply stating they dislike homo collabs and would prefer Kronii not do them. It's just you being oversensitive to criticism, fans have a right to provide feedback and it's not always going to be positive.

>>56924593
>lmao stupid fucking virtue signalling retard sarcastic high horse cunt fucking hilarious
weird meltdown but ok

>>56924702
>Japs were always in charge idiot
I really fucking hope this is bait

>>56924738
Shit. I think I got some frozen pizza in the freezer. Could put it in the oven.

>>56913166
Did she apologize? I stopped watching her when I realized she was boring as fuck, hated her """"job"""" of playing video games, and was always carried by her model and voice.

>>56924753
Nah that's some redpilled /pol/ shit. One of the biggest excuse Kronii's defenders give, besides their favorite "IT WAS ALL MORI'S FAULT, PINK WOMAN FORCED KRONII" is that Kronii is just too dumb to see the consequences of her actions because she's a woman and women are just naturally retarded so you shouldn't hold anything against them. Their best defense is ignorance. I say fuck that. I watched Kronii for over a year and she knew full well what she was doing, if she didn't, she wouldn't have had Cover per-emptively go shields up. She's a heartless, soulless, bitch, and again before anyone goes all /pol/ again, no it's not just cause she's Korean.

>>56924794
>>56924794
The director of EN branch was always a nippon

>>56924795
You can if you want I guess. Not sure why you're staying up for a kronii thread.Not that anon who asked you to post your address by the way.

>>56924805
No. She flirted with Altare and did a psychiatrist stream with Vesper where she said her fans were losers.

>>56924769
Okay, you can just keep repeating yourself

>>56924858
>The director of EN branch was always a nippon
>he doesn't know about Jap
Jesus christ, how far out of the loop are you? Go back to wherever you came from because you sure aren't from /here/

>>56924848
>/pol/
>long post
I ain't reading that shit
the woman behind the avatar is as much of a liar and cheat and backstabber as any girl in the real world.
As long as a 3DPD exists behind it, you are fucked.
Take your superchat dollars and invest it into robot an AI waifus.

>>56924861
Splash Party Pre-Live, dude.

>>56924903
I will, Thanks for the permission.

>>56913166
We just had this thread. Stop

>>56924953
Not until you apologize

>>56923741
>She states she will interact with them on Twitter but probably rarely.
She then followed up on that by making one single tweet in response to them on Twitter. Not out of malice or anything like that, but simply because they happened to be doing some dumb shit at the time, and she happened to see it. It is now almost a year later, and people are STILL fucking calling her a lying backstabbing whore who 'broke her promise' because of it.

>>56925080
Man, it's bad enough you mods are shitting up her chat. You gotta shit up this board too?

>>56924919
This thread is starting to be actually funny, because the people in it are proving that all the insults she said to her audience were actually correct. Paint me surprised.

>>56925162
>>56925162
Retards, the post is saying that brushing off all women as just retards unaccountable for their actions is the /pol/ shit and that's what NOT to do.

>>56923741
>and a week after
That's literally a stealth suspension right there. That means that management suspended her for doing that members stream (probably reading YouTube comments was seen as bad). Then when she returned she said fuck it and decided to not care about it.

>>56925162
>Paint me surprised
You SEAtards never quite get these expressions right

>>56913166
Apologize when clock hag?

>>56925234
so what? can't you read?

>>56925284
It'd be better if you guys had your own website segregated from humans.

>>56925284
Do you guys hunt pigeons for breakfast?

>>56916136
a lot of it is attitude, >>56921378. 'good-hearted morons' is pretty fair.
the thing that makes it really bad with Kronii is that... she also has zero redeemable features. she was the loser who got a chance and made a bond with her parasocials. that was what made it 'okay' for her to barely fucking stream. you break that bond and what remains? Nothing. She's a godawful streamer who wasted the biggest opportunity of her life.
Mori might be a cringy fat alcoholic lean-addict with a shrek fetish, but she puts in the work.

>>56925080
>people are STILL fucking calling her a lying backstabbing whore who 'broke her promise' because of it
Because she is, and nothing has changed since.
What, are you one of those kronies who are still under the illusion that she actually "totally loves her job" and isn't hard carried by her design and voice?

>>56925234
>SEAtards
I'm European, but interpret it as you may wish. That is not an answer to the content of my reply though. Hating women isn't a trait of personality, you just sound ironic, the problem being that you seemingly aren't. I believe she was quite justified in her claims against her audience if the reaction is such a strong one.

>>56924919
>>56925162
>post that shits on all vtubers because they're 3D and tells people to stop superchatting is definitely a vtuber fan

>>56913283
FPBP

>>56925426
You can barely speak english man. Don't try to be posh on top of it.

>>56925461
You're right, maybe I shouldn't consider such people as fans, but I cannot help but to see that most of the people reacting badly to her claims seem to be the ones affected the most by these same claims. It's quite ironic.

>>56913166
FUCK her and bae

>>56923741
>>56916416
What baffles me the most in this situation is that literally all concerns were so polite that they were pathetic. And the polite ones are bad ones, not those who were screaching insults to them, don't mix it up.

>>56914149
el basado

>>56925426
>trait of personality
You're one of those retards. Don't worry, man, you've got a real tongue of silver! You got me. It was a real bath of blood. A storm of shit.

>>56925426
>>56925542
>>56925566
holy fuck speak english you fucking retard

>>56925682
>retards
ftfy, mr ESL

>>56925682
Then correct me. Go ahead. You are free of doing so.

>>56923741
>she desecrated it
No, the unicorns desecrated it by immediately shitting all over the compromise she was trying to reach.

The fact is her action after the stream still kept almost exactly to the spirit of what she was saying during the steam. The problem was that unicucks never tried to negotiate in good faith in the first place, it was a doomed endeavor from the start and Kronii realized it.

And yet, despite comprising with these people being a complete waste of time, she still stuck to what she said.

I will not watch Kronii again. I’ll watch Fuwamoco instead.

>>56925660
No need of that kind of imagery, it seems to have been more like a reality check.

>>56925853
Don't you mean a check of reality? Come back after you do your reps, sucker of cocks.

>>56925426
>paint me surprises
>trait of personality
I want to believe this is masterful bait and not just another SEAthing clockfag

>>56925918
Cuckolds are ESL like 95% of the time. It's baffling.

>>56914149

>>56925554
That's the plan

>>56915963
>hobby
Lmao

>>56913166
No, you didn't stop willingly, you stopped cause there is no way to collab with him anymore

>>56913166
no

>>56925797
It was never going to work because people were asking for Kronii to act like a different person and she was gonna break eventually. She was just trying to understand where people were coming from, but ultimately she didn't really agreed with what they were asking.

>>56926100
>streaming/watching streams isn’t a hobby
>anime isn’t a hobby
>idols aren’t a hobby
NTA but I don’t see the point you’re trying to make.

>>56924634
The latest homo collab was 12 days ago. Vesper and Magni graduating just killed the mood for most people, and Ame and Mori have been busy on other things.

>>56914149
>I tell everyone on this discussion forum that I do not like them and that others should not watch them either. I inform people who are new, who may not know why they are hated
Here's some news for you: this is also schizo anti behavior.

>>56926179
> ultimately she didn't really agreed with what they were asking
I was there for the steam anon, maybe watch the link the other anon posted.
She said she would not really talk to them on twitter, not invite them for collabs, and not host collabs she does get invited to on her channel.
And now she has, probably, invited vesper once on her channel, not streamed her pov for the other collabs she was invited for, not talked to them almost at all on twitter.
So once again, it's not her who did not agree what with what was established.
It's the unicorns who would ways push for more and more until you are doing only what they want.

>>56913166
I don't think she wants forgiveness. She seems pretty content with her lot now that she's settled in and her most freakish fans have left. I think she handled it poorly but she wasn't prepared for the fervent backlash and it happened so quickly she made a knee jerk reaction but decided it didn't sit right with her. The "betrayal" was her deciding not to betray herself first and foremost. If she forced herself to uphold what her fans wanted, she would have graduated eventually

>>56926219
Its only a hobby if you do something productive with it. Otherwise you are just coonsuming passively.

>>56926316
It's very reasonable anti behavior

>>56926357
>what you do always has to be productive
Oh great, more anons trying to sell me their self help book. Pass.

>>56920105
You reached too far, when you could've used Mori for the perfect example. She's been grinding for months now trying to regain the fans' goodwill to no success.

>>56914149
Will never recover.

>>56926345
>If she forced herself to uphold what her fans wanted
She has plenty of fans who want her to be happy without forcing retarded restrictions on her content.
Betraying unicorn's unwarranted expectations does not mean betraying her fans.

>>56926345
She should graduate and make it on her own as her roommate, playing by her own rules.

>>56926328
>maybe watch the link the other anon posted.
I am watching it. She says over and over again that many of the comments aren't reasonable and that she often doesn't even understand where they are coming from . When she says she is not gonna stream her POV she specially says "I guess I am not gonna" which means she might change her mind at any second. She never really made any promises, just shared her feelings on the situation at that moment.

>>56926473
Maybe finish watching it then.

>>56926390
I didn't said you have to spend your time wisely or whatever. I just said that there is a semantic difference between a having hobby and a consuming a product.

The funniest part is that it wasn't even the Kronies that were the loudest during the whole shitshow: it was the ones hating on them, be it falseflaggers or redditors/twittertrannies. So when Kronii sat down to calmly read her fans' comments and said she understood their position against ALL those naysayers, willing to make compromises since she recognizes their concerns etc etc... They felt understood and even at peace. Then she tweeted at the underwear, promptly disappeared, came back saying she does what she wants however she wants (read: male collabs) and no further discussion of it will be tolerated.

What most people don't recognize is that following that, she immediately does more collabs with Tempus, among which is a solo "therapy" stream with Vesper (now passed away). Then all the naysayers piled in her comments saying how she owned the gachis and unicorns with how stunning and brave she is for not listening to her fans and sticking it to them.

That unarchived member stream made it seem as if she cared until she didn't, leaving those fans completely blindsided. I didn't even dislike the male collabs, but Kronii's conduct through the whole thing just felt wrong and messed up.

>>56926501
Those comments are the ones people mention over and over again so it's very likely the rest hour is gonna filler.

>>56926561
Well you have to watch the end if you want to know what she decided to do.

>>56926523
>a having hobby and a consuming a product.
Italian having a fucking breakdown over here

>>56926615
People's brains basically stop working after one hour of mental work without breaks. I don't even think the weirdo comments changed her mind in any meangiful way.

>>56914149
Damn based!
Imagine getting a lucrative job pretending to be an anime girl for lonely men and just screwing up all the time because you have a compulsion to have after anime men.
Like they didn't educate themselves about the work in first place and instead of improving themselves in that regard, they throw a fit.

>>56926539
The funniest part is how you're completely bullshitting.
The "willing to make compromises" was always going to still include her being at events with males, like the worms tourney. She never promised to never have male collabs, she said she wouldn't be streaming her pov but still accept invites if they come.

Even though she said she won't be bound by the compromise she tried to set during the steam she went ahead and honored it regardless.
The only time she really went against it was the psychiatry stream which she probably was excited for and it was a kino stream.
Literally everything other than that was exactly how she promised to compromise.
And yet unicucks have not stopped screeching the entire time.
It just shows you that you can't compromise with these people.

>>56914149
based chad

>>56926473
Isn't that what any normal human would do. I mean, I don't expect catalog unicorns to understand how a human normally functions, since they're gonna claim that it's "cuckoldry", but she literally just wanted to do one thing and didn't bend the knee to people asking otherwise.
It's pretty based to stand up for yourself, and it's also the reason why so many people are so mad. She didn't bitch herself for her audience. She did her collabs as long as she wanted, and stopped when she didn't want to do any more of them.

>>56926539
>be it falseflaggers or redditors/twittertrannies
Forgot to add, but those people were so loud that it actually created a separate problem wherein Kronii initially thought there was an issue regarding shipping talents. That misunderstanding was clipped into a video where Kronii tells people not to ship talents which shippers to offense to.

So she decided to clear things up by commenting on a clipper's video (no I shit you not). Those same people would criticize her for the seeming double standards of hetero shipping vs same-sex shipping in the fandom. Kronii doubles down on the damage control leading to the "idol culture" comment then the clipper closed the comments. It's ironic because she was more or less digging herself into a bigger hole for these people, but I remember it was her own fans telling the clipper to nuke the comments to shield her from all the angry comments.

The whole thing was one clusterfuck after another. Not my pic but you get the idea.

>>56926539
When she commented on Nerrev's clip, I think she saw the overwhelming number of supportive comments and decided most fans would side with her and believed she was being gaslit by the unicorn SCs and comments. I don't think you can call her reneging benign; it was a kneejerk reaction with some hostility to it, I think.
I think both sides reacted understandably. Unicorns perceived a hostile whiplash, and Kronii perceived malicious gaslighting.

>>56926639
Originally I was gonna say:
>between a hobby and a consumption product.
I then changed "hobby" to "having a hobby" and forgot to delete the articles. It's a bit ESL, but not Italian.

just say she's a dumb bitch and a boring vtuber

>>56926708
I mean it could be that she thought she misconstrued what her position should be by the end of the stream which is why she decided to later just walk it back but her behavior after adhered to it regardless so it was basically unchanged.

>>56926615
my hobby is fucking your sister
>>56926724
true. its literally the industry standard
>>56923135
>>56923617

>>56926366
Writing a whole fucking essay about how you hate someone, going out of your way to make sure others hate them too, and acting like this makes you 'le based chad omg i kneel' is not 'reasonable'.

>>56926802
>ESL faggots still misquoting the idol culture thing

>>56926736
>completely bullshitting.
Anon I'm not the one who made an unarchived members stream trying to make peace with the fans even though the manager SPECIFICALLY said not to. If Kronii just ignored all the noise and conducted herself as she saw fit, that would've been far better than whatever clusterfuck she ended up throwing herself into.

Everyone practically agreed that whole shitshow could've been avoided if she just listened to her manager. Falseflaggers would've shut up, her unicorns would've just had to quietly settle with it. But instead she engaged with all of it to her own detriment.

>>56926736
So are we just going to ignore her skinwalking into an all male collab now?

>>56926918
Did you even read? I didn't even say anything about idol culture, you goddamn troglodyte.

>>56926913
again virtue signalling retard telling other people how to live their lives because you think you're right and righteous and theyre wrong and evil
just stfu moron

>>56926942
> If Kronii just ignored all the noise and conducted herself as she saw fit
She did do that
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>56926823
Nah I agree. I think she saw all the comments of seeming support and took that as a sign that her fans were gaslighting her. And the rest was history.

>>56926970
What part of that is against her compromise?

>>56926999
Before posting replies in English, you should maybe learn the language, ESL-chama.

>>56927076
lmao take it like a man pussy

>>56927008
>She did do that
She didn't. Her manager told her NOT to address the issue but instead she couldn't ignore it and made that unarchived members stream. Is your reading comprehension so shit that you can't process something so simple?

Like I said, that unarchived members stream did more damage than just simply ignoring the whole thing, but you wouldn't know it because you're just an angry threadreader.

Oct 22 is the incident. Did it really kill her channel?

>>56926942
>her unicorns would've just had to quietly settle with it.
The saddest part is that you actually believe unicorns would just 'quietly settle', when you're posting in a thread full of unicorns STILL fucking bitching about it almost a year later.

>>56927152
cry more you little pussy you're such a bitch ahahah

>>56927152
>actually believe
Well anon I can't predict the future but if you want to act like you can see everyone's behavior across timelines then be my guest.

>>56927144
I agree that just not addressing it and making the follow up tweet would have been better but how is that not her "doing as she sees fit"?
Her trying to understand and communicate with her fans is what she thought she should do.

>>56927145
You got a graph that includes as much before as after?

Welp with Vesper gone who will she move on to?

>>56927152
I mean if she didn't give them ammunition to misquote and constantly post out of context they would have settled down sooner.

>>56927305
Oct 22 is the incident, 21 is her debut. Half the graph is of before the incident

>>56921627
>she can do whatever what she wants and change opinions like anyone
Why yes anyone can and she should also live with the consequences of her own actions like anyone else does.
Imagine if your friend did that kind of betrayel to you, you cunt. Would you also just say it's a nothing burger?
>buh hurh durh she's not your friend, incel.
Then even less reason to give her any form of good will, if your business partner did a 180 suddenly and flick flacked and can't keep her word, you wouldn't want to work with them anymore, anyways.

>>56927311
>still on this shit even though it was one stream a year ago
She could try moving on to your delusional cuckoldry, that is guaranteed to never die.

>>56927266
> "doing as she sees fit"
*without addressing the issue

Anon I'm referring to how her manager told her to ignore the issue and carry on but she didn't, simple as that.

>>56927338
Ah I misread the graph, so I would say the answer is "no"

>>56927436
Yes I can see what you mean.
It would have been better in hindsight for her but she was a hopeful and naive person back then.
She still believed.

Could pic related save Kronii?

>>56926357
That's not how hobbies work you fucking moron.

>>56914149
D-damn..I kneel

>>56919581
Neutral my ass. Now go back to your reddit hugbox post fag

>>56913166
even fuwamoco laughed at her and drew a sad face for the council's anniversary

>>56914315
Are you lost faggot?

>>56914552
Said a faggot who never get a touch of a woman kek

>>56927311
mental illness

>>56913166
No. Fuck you idol hater

>>56914149
I stopped watching them just like you, but i don't hate them, because they aren't worthy of my energy. I simply don't think about them.

>>56929325
that's embarrassing

>>56928971
>isreal
Fucking kek

>>56929401
A true chad does not possess the feelings of hate.
Yes he gets angry, but he doesn't hate. That's something for troons like you to do.

>>56929507
yea thought as much virtue signally retard still at it

>>56929557
ESL-chama...

>>56929584
you're so mad lol

>>56929610
>troon mad
kek
keep projecting

>>56929688
use that energy and become a corrupt cop or something

>>56929325
Giga based

>>56929764
>corrupt cop
I'm not part of the lgbt community.