/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>56790746
Change her hair to a shade of white and a bit of lightblue
Become smaller
Become flat
Change her voice to a cute nasally one
Attach a shark tail to her butt

>>56735205
>>56785184
>>56790467
>>56790746
you faggots keep making these threads faster than they can be deleted

keep up the good work

I don't like that I'm not sucking on her titties while she gives me a nursing handjob.
She can improve herself by letting me suck on her titties while she gives me a nursing handjob.

Shes not real and I cant breed her. Theres nothing to be done and it wont get better

>>56790746
She just needs to go back in time and stop herself from saying this:
https://youtu.be/9Lpegyp0h4M?t=4384

shes just kind of aggressively weird and doesn't have a lot of charm or girlishness
but she has good bantz sometimes

>>56790746
Because I see her as an extremely fake goth. I think she's just making it a part of her kayfabe because she has the goth girl model.
Uh and that just kinda bugs me because I've considered myself goth for over 20 years and I was really hoping for a cool zoomer goth or something, but I got none of that.
I might like her more once she drops the act, but for now I stopped watching her streams.

>>56790746
Shut up and play some fucking games. Also read a fucking book about the company you work for. There's a bunch of other talents you should know about.

>>56791448
>There's a bunch of other talents you should know about.
why is this important. are you sad that she doesn't know about your oshi? awww

>>56790746
I love her, personally.

I don't. Also, stop bumping the thread.

>>56791324
>No girlishness
She likes frilly clothing, detective novels, and swoons about getting swept off her feet bridal carry style. She says "golly" and "gosh" and "gee willickers". She has a bright pink room and a porcelain tea set. She's girly as fuck retard

It's not that I don't like her. I just hate the catalog spam and shiorifags who know what she's about trying to bait in unicorns. You know she doesn't want that and the unicorns don't want that so why do you get off on giving your oshi drama in like 2 months?

>>56790746
Feels fake and ungenuine. PL stuff is kinda bad, but hey, she got second chance and it's also golden ticket, so why not. But I'm not trusting her eitherway

>>56790746
>Why don't you like her
- "respect my collab choices" lecture and high likelihood of male collabs in the future
- unironically likes NTR
- made references to "blacked/bbc" jokes
>what can she do to improve herself?
- address the lecture, apologize for being condescending, and promise to NEVER collab with males
- cure her NTR fetish with electric shock therapy on stream
- naked dogeza with bleached/QOH tattoos in plain view

BVTM lost, keep seething about it. Shiori and the rest of advent are a Golden Gen

>>56792476
I don't think she needs to address the lecture, it will only draw more bad attention, she can just prove it with her actions and sometimes giving hints that she doesn't want to collab with males, I don't see that happening though, I feel like at some point she'll just say fuck it and woman moment will occur

>>56792029
>GUUUURLL OMG, that bitch is SO fake, am I right?
Female brained board

>LE PL
>B-BUT HER PAST
Gura streamed with men before she was a vtuber and you hold her as the gold standard en vtubers should strive for. Explain why Gura is exempt from this criticism.

>>56792918
>Eventually x will happen
2 more weeks

>>56792929
I don't know why are you so angry about opinion, her gfe comes off as forced, that's it and NTR from PL amplifies my opinion. I still won't shit on her if she doesn't do any yabbenings, in any case, kys nigger

>>56792918
I don't think it would necessarily draw more bad attention if she handled it properly.
Just saying "sorry guys, that came off as condescending and I didn't mean for it to sound that way" would be nice. But yeah, not totally necessary, I'd be content with just not doing male collabs. But at this point it's hard to believe that she won't, so I'll need to see some signs/hints.

>>56790746
only time will tell

>>56793054
>Explain why Gura is exempt from this criticism.
She's not,
>you hold her as the gold standard en vtubers should strive for.
and I don't.

>>56790746
"I will never collab with men"

That's all what she need to say and we're in.

I think she went way too hard on GFE too fast, that's all

I can smell the brown in this thread it's so BVTM infested

She's laying the GFE too thick too early

>>56793054
Gura has never lectured her audience on stream. Even during the fubuki incident rather than lecture her audience she told them how much she liked fubuki. Even when /vt/ was demanding it after the iofi thing she didn't. shiori could not even get through her debut without pre-lecturing
>>56793062
So when this faggot goes >le two more weeks while she prelectures it come off as pretty ironic.

Why are you still mad at her for saying this a month later? It did exactly what it was intended to do and told you if you don't like it, don't watch her. Just move on, the fact that you're still thinking about it and making threads about it shows there's something mentally wrong with you.

I don't like her voice and her style/content aren't compelling enough for me to look past it. This is very shallow criticism, but she's basically the kind of chuuba I bounce off of without having negative feelings.

>>56791992
This too, though admittedly this problem can be solved by just not visiting /vt/.

>>56792476
All reasonable unironically. Since anything less and you wouldn’t believe it / she’s still tainted

>>56793448
>I want chuubas to be upfront about their streaming style and decisions, bit string me along and blindside me
>But don't precture me slut
Seatrannys are allergic to internal consistency

>>56793455
>why don't you guys like her
>because she said this
>WTF GET OVER IT GET OVER IT GET OVER IT
You're retarded. Don't make these threads if you don't want an answer OP.

>>56793548
Shiori fags have been saying ever since how gfe she supposedly is so which is it? Cause every other fan of hers has been saying she meant something different then what you're saying.

>>56790746
I'm not one of her haters, but
>Why don't you like her and what can she do to improve herself?
I hate GFE, so I'm never gonna follow her.

>>56790746
>what can she do to improve herself?
This

>>56793543
Yeah. That last one unfortunately won't happen tho cuz she's in a corpo, and hololive no less. Probably the middle one too.

>>56793857
>X

>>56793979
She can’t do the middle one because it’s bannable. As for the last one I think you need to brush up on what Marine does every stream, the whore. Maybe not full nudity but I think she can squeeze in a pelvic tattoo tease

>>56790746
Just have fun :)

>>56794403
No I'm not saying she can't do the last one because of nudity, I'm saying she can't do it because in our culture, black fetishism = "wholesome 100", while white fetishism = "das rayciss!!!"

>>56790746

I have an adverse reaction when I know I'm being pandered to.

>>56790746
>Why don't you like her
I don't like that black snot ball sitting on her shoulder. And after reading this thread it seems more and more clear its exerting a malign influence on her.

>what can she do to improve herself
She went pretty quickly from eating eight scoops of ice cream to eating bugs. This goes beyond menhera, I'm not sure I know what can help her besides prayer.

>>56794754
Really? I don’t think we’ve really seen the latter to know what a mainstream response looks like and I feel like in the past year bleached and bwc has been starting to trend. We’re seeing more and more comments like this across general nsfw spaces rather than the usual zero. I can joke about colonising my female friends for example and only the standard rule of if they’re attracted to you or not seems to apply, no special rules, and I think that’s a good preview of the future for white fetishism, as well as the standards set by black fetishism being held against them. I think Marine talked about being raped by foreigners the other week as well, pretty funny.

>>56796919
Yeah, you're right that it's been trending more at least. Maybe I'm just too cynical.

Her fucking voice is a red flag. Like Enna.

because she's perfect and I don't wanna fall in love with a vtuber again

>>56792476
>naked dogeza with bleached/QOH tattoos in plain view
Now we're talking.

>>56790746
Everything that she was talking about during her debut week + her past.
It is safe to say that I will never give her a chance again.

>>56790746
If she creates a pledge of loyalty, admits her lecture was a mistake, calls tempus and her old e-celeb friends niggers, and does blowjob gfe ASMR i will like her

>>56790746
I like her because of how assblasted she makes catalogcucks like you without even trying

>>56797828
based

>>56791335
>20 years being goth
big lol

Nothing lol.
In 6 months of her never doing a single tempus collab, this board will treat her the same way they treat Mumei and Fauna.
It took roughly 6 months for anons to get the fuck over their pasts, it will take the same for Shiori.

>>56793448
qrd on the gura thing? i dont watch the shark

>>56799131
What did both of those do?

>>56799131
Anon, why would she say "respect my collab choices?" What possible collab could this imply besides honor collabs? Your only cope is that she might change her mind, but the intent of that statement could not be more clear.

>>56800481
>honor
homo*

>>56800149
On debut? Nothing. But they were hated even more than Shiori is currently because of their pasts that were never once brought up in their holo career.
>>56800481
>twitch friends
>Collabs with others that turn badly and thus her fans attack the other collab member on her behalf.
>homos
And Fauna and Mumei were hated even more, for less.
In 6 months half the anons /here/ will memoryhole the entire thing and try to cope by saying "We always liked her, it was X entity I don't like.
History has shown to repeat itself.

>>56791335
>I've considered myself goth for over 20 years
Honestly, it would be less embarrasing if you flat out admitted that you are trans, SEA, nijifan and a homobeggar that supports China.

>>56800481
Why do people think male collabs are the only ones people get mad at? This board would shit itself if Gura collabed with one of the VShojo whores.

>>56790746
I like her but I think she still has the mentality of an indie vtuber.
She also interacts with her fans a bit too much I can't keep up, especially with her cringy ass fanbase.
But I like watching her, as long as I don't pay attention to anything outside her streams.

>>56800481
>What possible collab could this imply
Vshojo collabs for one. You're probably too much of a tourist to remember the outrage when Kiara collabed with Nyanners.

>>56801092
I truly don't get this type of thinking, but it doesn't seem like a shitpost so I may as well ask (You).
What do you mean by "interacts with her fans a bit too much"
There's been so many anons complaining (yes yes hive mind or not whatever) about vtubers that don't interact enough, now there's one that responds to SC's she's given and tries to talk to others in her pre-chat casually.
What's so wrong about it again?

>>56801092
>I like her but I think she still has the mentality of an indie vtuber.
That is not a bad thing. In the early days, Gura reminded me of S****** a lot. Now that I think about it...she had some of those moments even after a year of being in Hololive.
Being a full on corporate vtuber is peak soulless.

>>56790746
Blacked jokes are a big no no.
Also liking the NTR genre

>>56790746
I neither like her or dislike her.
But she does gives me red flags

>>56801342
It breeds parasocial creeps who will unleash their mental illness over the internet when things go wrong. She's not in a relationship with her viewers, and she's grifting off of them. They're mentally ill so they don't understand they're being taken advantage of. It's honestly quite depressing.

>>56801342
nothing wrong with it, I just don't wanna get too parasocial with any vtuber, I'm already mentally ill enough.
>>56801397
I used to watch indie vtubers a lot before settling on Hololive, watching a Hololive vtuber is less pressuring than having an indie vtuber as your oshi.
I do want to get noticed, but not all the time.

>>56801342
When you have an audience as big as she does, playing personal favourite is a big no no. She's been consistently replying on a first name basis with her prechat which will filter people from certain timezones and who don't want to chat and they'll be made to feel like they're appreciated lesser. For an idol who should love her fanbase equally, she's grooming her fanbase in a really unhealthy way that will lead to heartbreak when she graduates or does any other unthinkable nonsense.

>>56790746
I don't think her voice fits her look and to fix that she should speak in her lower, more natural tone.You can hear it when she talks while laughing.

>>56801509
>>56801776
So is she not meant to be thanking people for their SC's or something? Because almost every name she's listed on pre-chat is tied to an SC that was sent to her with some just being random chat members that are not consistent at all.

Women have left me bitter and twisted and I can no longer trust them. Much less for vtubers because they all pretend they're pure and lovely but they're not.

>>56790746
I dislike a few too many traits of her to ever be able to truly like her and support her, but if she goes full GFE and coomer pandering in a dommy way I will fap to her at the very least.

>>56790746
My first issues with her related to her debut, which seemed quite boring to me. Afterward she seemed to improve on the streaming quality, and I don’t think she is a bad streamer anymore, but her fans are the worst I have ever seen. Everything they type is simply Holo vs Holo and wishing for other opinions to be banned over nothing. I get that they’re tired of everything, but goddamn they don’t engage conversation very well at all. If I hear Holo vs Holo one more fucking time…

I unironically believe that discordbrownmemes retard stained all conversation about her. She's inoffensive but there's nothing to like either. I can at least respect wanting to stream for her fans while she's unwell.

>>56802623
Did you watch her streams you retard? Both now and in her PL ? How can some twitter retard make up something that actually exists? Also, stop following those faggy twitter pages. Containment breakers are still cringe even though it's 2023 and 4chan is pretty much mainstream.

>>56790746
>For months /vt/ exclaims " it's ok as long as they are honest with their intentions from the start
>Is dead honest from debut
>somehow Publix enemy #1
Goes to show how hypocritical the false flag "unicorns" are. She's my favorite of the new gen

Not be Chinese
Not have that voice

>>56802892
>Is dead honest from the start
>Still amasses gosling retards who clamor for GFE.
She wasn't honest enough and that'll end up hurting a lot of people

>>56790746
she's not menhera enough, false advertising

>>56800650
What did they do in their pasts that's worth hating? Is it similar to shiori? Personally I probably won't get over >>56801406 , it's a bit irredeemable

she went from boring blue girl to boring oreo girl.
What is there to like? I'm just being honest.

>>56803198
having confirmed boyfriends
I don't even see the problem with what she said regarding that joke. It was a common joke back in the 2000s and she hasn't indicated ntr at all as her current self so it's all RM garbage just like mumei and fauna.

I don't like the fact that she's not in the bed with me right now. (I only want her body)

>>56802892
She wasn't really "honest and upfront" though. Her collab lecture was very vague. Personally, I can read between the lines, but some retards can't, so that vagueness still left enough room for hope to create a bunch of gachikois. That and the hardcore GFE pandering immediately following.
Being "honest and upfront" would be collabing with males as soon as she's allowed to, and/or explicitly saying on debut "I will collab with Holostars". And not doing GFE, at all.

>>56803563
As other anons said, homos aren't the only answer.
Lots of anons can and will bitch about any form of twitch collab as well, and she can still be GFE whilst collabing with le heccin evil twitch whore no.52.

>>56803403
That story she told about her "friend" was actually about herself.

>>56803403
You're treating /vt/ like it's all one person. Fauna and Mumei aren't universally loved /here/, for that exact reason. Fauna also constantly gets shit on for the "not your friend" yab.
The anon you're talking to, who is bothered by NTR and blacked references, is probably also bothered by RMs having BFs.
This hypocrisy you're so eager to point out is a figment of your imagination.

>>56803198
Fauna's roommate - Boyfriend, betrayed Shondo for hololive (Shon made it on her own anyway)

Moom Room - Boyfriend, talked about how much she loved getting dicked and cuddling. Similar situation to Ame where everyone just forgor.

I'm an unironic Shiori enjoyer because I genuinely think she's just straight up autistic, but I never forget a yab, especially a confirmed yab.

>>56803563
>Her collab lecture was very vague.
It was vague because there arent any collabs yet. She was just outlining the sylabus. Once she is allowed to do collabs and it becomes relevant, expect a more in-depth lecture. She was just warning people early as a professional courtesy so that when lecture part 2 comes people dont go 'i never realized you would be collabing with these unfunny literal whos' (we will anyway).

>>56791335
>goth for over 20 years
Seek professional help

>>56790746
The problem lies not in her, but in the psychiatrist premeditated brain damaging every kid they can. It's an alien, Anan. And they will never stop determined attack bald faced whopper heap gaslying and now the globalism has gone this far.

>>56790746
>Streamed with her bf
>Voice so unappealing it makes you want to punctuate your eardrums
>Absolutely no interest in Hololive and JP culture
>Literally on the autistic spectrum
>GFE whore
>Voice doesn't fit the model
>Cuts food with scissors, because she is le quirky
>Most likely got stealth suspended
>Ruins collabs with her presence
>Most obnoxious fanbase on this board
Unredeemable. Needs graduation.

>>56790746
She doesn't play games that I'm interested in watching.

>>56790746
change of voice

>>56806187
>Streamed with her bf
Yeah, her boyfag.

>>56806187
Summed up pretty well, I’ll add that she unironically has one of the worst singing voices I’ve heard in hololive.

Like some girls aren’t that good either but hers is like actually pretty bad considering you’re in an idol company

>>56800481
>why would she say "respect my collab choices?"
because she's based

Im just waiting for her to grow on me..maybe itll happen eventually. Who knows. Not liking her content so far.

>>56790746
it feels like nothing she says sticks in my head, so i dont latch on. nothing is serious or funny or sad its just a long open ended stream of conciseness. but i do like the way she she sounds and acts.

She just way to try hard with her keyfab and it just makes her seem incredibly fake

>>56790746
She can graduate. That would make me laugh.

>>56790746
>Why don't you like her
Shiori's a grifter, she knows jack shit about Hololive and didn't even bother to to do her homework once she joined which suggests she doesn't even respect it, her ambiguous "respect my collab partners" statement comes off as entitled and it indicates she might do male collabs, she fucked off on a vacation only two weeks after debuting, she told a fucking black joke of all things, and I assume she's behind the psyop to spam /vt/ with Shiori threads. She's one big pile of red flags. But if she's smart enough to avoid male collabs then I guess I can put up with the rest of her fuckery and tolerate her existence, albiet I'll always be aware that she's a grifter who doesn't give a shit about Hololive and its culture. Pic of Mori for no reason.

>>56806187
>Absolutely no interest in Hololive and JP culture
This one actually bugs me, even though I know many won’t care about it. I still say though, her fans are the worse trash I’ve ever seen. I have more of an issue with them in particular.

>>56796919
What was the general reaction to "it's ok to be white"?

Shiori I know you're /here/ listen to me:
Explicitly declare you won't collab with males. If you want bonus points also declare you aren't looking to collab outside of Hololive. And of course follow through with those.
Look at Rushia, she's your role model. Obessed over not giving her paypigs anything to worry about. Heavy collabs with the other Hologirls.
the NijiEN dream is dead, males and females can't collab or they'll destroy the entire branch. Redemption is possible, look at Mumei who was dragged into a male collab and redeemed herself.

>>56793455
the thread is lterally asking the question. Don't ask questions you don't want to hear the answer for. And don't join threads where we'll talk about it.
Also this isn't an offense you can "forgive" it was a declaration of intent, and unless that gets resolved she'll stay hated and scorned.

>>56797828
Study what the Doggos did, they became top dogs by:
Respecting the Idol culture.
Enforcing Gender segregation.
Treating their fans and someone precious that you can't betray.
Making a pledge of loyalty.
Protecting the hearts of the ruffians.

Shiori still feels fake in that you can't scratch off that itch that she's about to betray you and your trust.

>>56802892
SHE WASN'T HONEST
She gave the most vague statement to cover her ass.
Bae was honest, she said she likes Roberu and that she likes the HoloStars. THAT'S honesty, "respect my collab choices" is NOT.
I would have preferred if she said "I love men and will collab with them long before I collab with the other hologirls."

>>56816422
They are just deadbeats 2.0

>>56790746
naked dogeza

>>56790746
Like others already said, she feels fake as fuck, and even worse her long history became a detriment since she acts like she is already better than everyone else. The worst part tho is the fact she doesn't seem to care even as half as her genmates do. Taking a break right after debut is a huge problem, and even beyond that she doesn't stream nearly as much as the others. She takes weekends off for "archiver duties", really? Weekends are the most important since more people have time to watch you, especially if you stream during hours that don't fit them.
She is already behind. Bijou passed the 400k subs mark, Shiori is 13k short, the only one left under 400k. At this rate it's only gonna get worse.

>>56820805
>She is already behind
She was raided twice a bit ago, and they’re declaring that as a victory over Bijou. When her numbers are up her numberfag fans attack the other Advent streamers but go silent when her numbers are down.

>>56803943
Im the anon you're referring to, and I don't care about them having boyfriends as long as they aren't black.

>>56804253
This genuinely doesn't bother me, it's not like any of us would ever be in their life whatsoever anyways, It would be annoying if they constantly talked about having a bf but I don't think they ever do so it doesn't effect their watchability imo.

>>56790746
I like her and she should keep doing what she is doing.

>>56821292
>Im the anon you're referring to
Well then I'm with the other anon on this one. Your internal logic system makes absolutely no sense. Either be a unicorn or don't be.

>>56821234
It's like she positioned herself, or got positioned, solely to soak raids. She feels like she is some kinda psyop.

>>56815068
>doesn't give a shit about Hololive
reasonable take considering how she made a point of bragging how she was part of the indie scene + doesn't want to leave her friends behind.
when she says "respect my colabs" I assume she's talking about her indie friends, rather than males.

>>56821786
I'm just racist anon

>>56790746
>Why don't you like her
???
>what can she do to improve
maybe work on a new voice, she's by far not as bad as kiara, but it is a bit tiring to listen to her
>>56790806
>Become smaller
>Become flat
gay faggot ass troons like little boys, got it

>>56815068
>she might do male collabs
nobody cares about your disgusting cuck fetisch you faggot

>>56822520
Little girls are also flat and small faggot

>>56821794
I think it’s because she’s consider the leader of the group, so management has them all raid her first. Her fans then gloat over the raid and declare victory, then when she finally does raid someone else they say it’s her kindness to others or something dumb like that. When she’s doing badly, they all go quiet until someone points out that she’s doing badly, to which they get hurt much more easily than other fanbases.

>>56822725
touché
i wouldn't say pedos are better than faggots, one is just disgusting, the other one is disgusting and straight illegal, but you got a point

dont you guys think its weird and creepy that she always makes polls to try and involve chat in her decisions on a game?
either shes so stupid she cant make her own choices or shes really grooming those unicorns by trying to involve them. no wonder the sisters hate her, unichuds deserve the rope

post THAT Shiori pic.

>>56823235
why is it weird? personally, I like it, I would do the same, and I wonder why everyone else doesn't do it. it just seems like the obvious thing to do and I don't understand why that would be a bad thing.

>>56822832
After La+ and Shiori cover should really fuck off trying to launch gens with appointed "leaders". Girls don't even seem comfortable dealing with Shiori.

>>56822520
>>56823210
nerd

>>56823885
rly? how can you tell? because i'm on the computers in the internets or was it something else?

>>56790746
A good start would be sucking my cock and balls

>>56824182
no mine

>>56790746
The only thing about her is that she's kinda boring. Nerissa kinda forces jokes but sometimes they land and she can at least sing, Bijou can game and is surprisingly charismatic and the dogs are perfect in every sense.
Then you have Shiori who only has her tangents and when people give her a chance to counter the stupid day 1 unicorn meltdown, she goes on vacation and returns sick after a week of streaming.

>what she can do to improve herself?
Do some actual GFE ASMR, even if it's for members only

>>56827261
>the dogs are perfect in every sense.
>streams literally sound like some dora the explorer type shit
ok
>Do some actual GFE ASMR
yes pls, attract the absolute lowest class of subhuman retards, it will be over quick then

>>56790746
I like her

>>56790746
I don’t like how she acts like her childhood stories are actually weird and oh so quirky when it’s just normal dumb stuff that kids do. Eat dog treats? Yeah, no shit. She’looks probably stop talking about those on her own like everybody else.

>>56822647
>disgusting cuck fetisch
But Anon, that's you

>>56827629
>"no u"
you need to be 18+ to be /here/
not gonna snitch on you this time, but maybe don't show it off so carelessly

>>56792476
>unironically likes NTR
Anon.. she has complained about being NTR'd in self insert media on stream multiple times.. she doesn't like it.

>>56790746
She should kill herself

>>56827983
Her past and countless pro NTR tweets, statements and even NTR themed streams would say otherwise

I think I'm ready to give her a chance, hopefully she doesn't fuck it up

>>56828058
Until I hear that from Shiori Novella Ch. hololive EN, I will consider her current sentiment to be the truth.
That said, If one takes into account the lives before their current, then the majority of talents have had moments of impurity.

>>56790746
I am largely indifferent to shiori but i just have a strong feeling that she is a ticking yab time bomb. Also it would be cool if she could just at least pretend to give a shit about hololive, she kinda has this jarring out of place feel to her.

>>56827983
Doesn't like being the victim of it, not the perpetrator.

>>56790746
She's great. As a wise multiverse-hopping time traveler one once said: You need to improve yourself.

>>56790746
Noone likes you. Even now that you are back the gap is growing. All your fans are either holo loyalists or the 20 simps on discord you cuck.

>>56828367
So? That’s fine. That’s why I watch Shiori

>>56828004
HOLY BAUSED

I feel indifferent towards her because I have never watched her streams and never will. She was almost completely silent during the Kiara talkshow thing as well, which is the only time I've ever watched something with her in it.
However, the spam posts on the catalog are pretty gay, so I'd appreciate it if she and her fans would stop spamming threads about her and keep most of it in her generals, unless it really needs it's own thread.
I think these are reasonable stances. I also don't care if she likes BBC because I don't watch her. I just hope she won't make BBC jokes or whatever during collabs, that's kind of off brand for most of hololive except maybe Mori.

>>56790806
hmm for some reason I feel like these changes would cause her to stop streaming

>>56829579
based