/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>56634810

>>56634810
Next level gachikoi farming, imagine making 1000$ before you even start streaming.

If you hate her then it's manipulative and she only cares about money, if you like her it's just her caring about her fans

This board is going to be unusable for days when she collabs with a man.

This board is going to be kino for days when she collabs with a man.

>>56635566
>When
Two more weeks sister

>>56635566
>if x happens
>when x happens
>x will happen
>once x happens
>eventually x will happen
>can't wait until x happens

>>56635636
There was no reason to talk about collab partners in her debut if she wasn't planning on it. Though if you can name at least one then go ahead.

>>56635716
In hindsight, her little spiel could also be read as her not wanting to collab much outside her gen with anyone, and preemptively telling beggers to get lost.

>>56634810
Oh Yeah? But she's losing out a lot for not joining IdolCorp. Imagine the money she would take home if she were under a better contract.

>>56635716
Keep up bro, the new rrat is she was talking about other hologirls because clearly she knows nothing about Hololive and doesn't want to be forced into collabs with girls she knows nothing about.

>>56635511
It's a job, for all of them.

>>56635897
A full 60% of $100 total.

>>56635987
Some people enjoy their job and are genuinely passionate for what they do, and some people are there to clock in, collect a paycheque, and clock out.

>>56635716
it could mean the opposite dumbass
>i will not collab with holostar
>do not come to my stream and beg

>>56635916
This rrat is debunked lol

>>56634810
>Imagine missing out
The FOMO fucking hurts last time i experienced that kind of interaction from my previous oshi. I want to like her but that makes me want to camp pre chat 24/7. If only someone archives it.

>>56636740
it is archived...in multiple places...
here, open up ahhh
https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/realtime/supana/YQaj9oQOfzw.html

>>56636740
you are literally looking at the archive right now

>>56634810
I've never seen a VTuber so desperate to groom their paypig like this, it's so disgusting

>>56637016
i am pretty sure she is literally just chatting with people in chat

>>56637016
Shiori, come join Idol and keep 75% of your SC money.

>>56637016
I don't understand. Do you fags want the girls to interact with their audience, or to not interact with their audience? This is getting confusing.

>>56637166
It's okay to interact with the audience as long as no money is involved. Having SC on is morally and objectively bad.

>>56637166
Obviously I want the girls to interact with me but not with anyone else.

>>56637166
It's simple anon, if they don't like the girl and she interacts like this, she's a money-grubbing whore. If they like her and she does the same thing, she just loves her fans.

>>56634810
New Holo rules: pre-chat interaction is allowed only 10min before the start of the stream.

>>56637166
HOW DARE SHE INTERACT WITH THEIR AUDIENCE!!!!

>>56635511
There are ways to go on stuff. Doing what she does is very predatory in my book, same with the donoton whores who give special rewards to the top 3 donors of said donoton and same for everyone who paywalls content to disgusting degrees. At that point you not an idol, you're just an average e-thot using an anime avatar.
Marine, for example, gets a shit ton amount of donations without resorting to this behavior. Noel also gets good money and her roommate doesn't paywalls her content to disgusting degrees. Majority of holo roommates who have fanbox have a set of tiers but they post everything on the modest tier: you pay more if you want to support more but they're not really paywalling for real nor baiting.

>>56637016
She's so blatant it's actually a little disgusting. It's like she has no confidence in her own content after her comparatively lackluster debut, read shitposts /here/ from people projecting a personality on her from her design alone, and dove right into the "uwu u can princess carry me?" shit directly from her second stream.

>>56637166
I only want to be a grayname and say something at just the right moment where she notices it and reads it aloud.

>>56637554
Then now is probably your best chance of getting remarked.

>>56636822

>mentioning names
I want to believe she doesn't love anyone. She loves the us, the idea of novelites. I need to be stoic.

>>56634810
Is she Rushia tier?

The bait is getting so low-quality that most schizos moved on from her, the vacation genuinely worked.

>seething two views and nijutrannies
Lol cope, holo supremacy

>>56634810
As an observer of grifters she exudes it to the extremes. She made it and I don't blame her for milking the brand.

>>56637507
It's about as shameless as you can get. She might as well start doing donothons and subathons at this point, and goth gf stomp my balls mommyfags will eat it right up because she's in ***Hololive*** and has a hot design. Critics are just going to be brushed off as haters and Nijifags and she'll probably milk money from that too.

>>56637554
she was doing that

>>56637787
Nijitranny kek

>>56637690
Nah this is the first time HoloEN's had a straight up grifter
It's like an IdolEN or Project Kawaii reject just stumbled her way into Hololive

>>56637285
>>56637554
She didn't reply to just sc tho? She's literally talking to all pre-chat.

>>56637847
Work a bit more sister, the bills are not going to pay themselves alone.

>>56634810
Holodrones would give for literally nothing if it only had the blue triangle logo.
Absolute clown society. Maybe humans do deserve to be ruled as cattle.

>spends her time talking to chat outside of stream
>NO SHE CAN'T DO THAT, THAT IS WHORISH SHE SHOULD NOT BE IN HOLOLIVE IT SHOULD'VE BEEN ME

Captcha: YAS22W

Keep seething phasecucks, this is what real audience engagement is. She's sick with strep throat and still shows up 4 hours before stream to chat

>>56637847
Sis she's literally a 2view because of this pink women.

>>56637847
This post reeks of "It should have been meeeeeeeee! It was my turn! REEEEEEEEEE!"

She's one layer of irony away from saying "give me money I'm female" and the fags here EAT IT UP because she was blessed with a Goth GF design and is in Hololive. That's all. That's how fucking shallow this hobby is

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>>56638163
Yassss sister

>>56637787
In the end retards are gonna be retards. Laplus for example has a very disgusting fanbox tier, lures people to her rm and people defend her.
I love hololive and only watch hololive JP but that doesn't mean every single talent there is a saint.
I don't know anything about this shiroi girl but I've seen others posting her farming superchats on the prechats and personally, is she were my oshi I'd feel uncomfortable. I've also seen post of the other pseudo EN GFE queen Nene doing those disgusting donotons and it's the most predatory shit I've ever seen.
What I hate the most is that they're taking advantage of idol culture while perverting and poisoning it with the average western whore approach yet people think that's ok because they wear a live2D so they can do no wrong. Western vtubing is and forever will be a mistake.

>>56638194
kek

>>56638194
Hot

>>56638339
Seethe some more tranny, maybe your oshi will notice you someday

>>56638339
>I love hololive and only watch hololive JP
>seen Nene doing those disgusting donotons
You're not a holo fan, tranny

All the insane and opposing expectations her rabid audience keep arguing over has a higher chance of causing a menhara attack and yab than any of her actual plans

>shiori talks to her audience
What a whore

>>56635589
Honestly can't wait for the shitstorm, it's gonna be funny as fuck

>>56634810
My balls are itchy.

>>56638839
>if x happens
>when x happens
>x will happen
>once x happens
>eventually x will happen
>can't wait until x happens

>>56638339
Love the bot-tier responses you're getting, lol if you can't refute any arguments just call them a nijifag/tranny

>>56638294
This picture's pretty funny considering she's operating exactly like that faggot did and Holofriends would probably ACTUALLY cut 4 Shiori and call anyone who thinks it's stupid a "Nijitranny"

>>56634810
Gura would never

>Discord whoring behavior

How many red flags have been already raised?

>>56639017
>Reeeee why won't you engage with my low-tier bait?!?!?
Tranny kek, don't you have a graduation to go to?

>>56638194
OREO BAD

Whooooa Shiori is based?!

>>56638194
I used to rule the board…

>>56637166
disgusting 2view hands wrote this

>>56639332
fucking disgusting human being

>>56639498
Does she hate british media?

>>56639017
It's really dumb to be honest. I don't even watch nijisanji nor any other agencies at all. As I said I only watch hololive JP (I speak japanese).
This board is extremely low iq. Not even /b/ back in the day was like this.
The fan quality gap is very wide too. Not even japanese antis are as retarded as what you see here; even they are decently eloquent with their anti posting.
Honestly the best one can do is to disengage completely from any western vtubing, go jp (preferably hololive jp if you want real idols who work hard and care for their fans) and don't even get involved with western fans who don't speak japanese. Go full nihonjin and call it. It's what I did and it's the better experience to be honest.

>>56639634
Sherlock...

>>56635120
Oreo board, home

>>56637016
OH NO! POOR ME!

>>56637847
>Nah this is the first time HoloEN's had a straight up grifter
It's not the first time

>>56639718
oh please. I was around for /b/ 'back in the day' and it was not exactly the meeting of great minds.
Let Shiori milk the uuu mommy crowd dry. She deserves it, they deserve it.

>>56635716
It could mean what you think. It could mean the opposite, as >>56636600 says. But it could also be an elaborate ruse to get into the spotlight /here/ and elsewhere.

>>56636740
Riifling...

>>56640077
I'm not saying /b/ was smart but they weren't as brainlets as what you see here. It was filled with both easy to troll retards and very good trolls but this cespool is a bunch just genuine, full-fledged retards with reddit tier buzzword name-calling who tend to make up personalities for JP talents they barely watch because since they are dekinais.
>Let Shiori milk the uuu mommy crowd dry. She deserves it, they deserve it.
I can't agree more. This is what they want so all the power to her. Thankfully this rarely happens on JP (outside of laplus who's a whore but at least nips aren't as retarded so they already disowned her).

>streams
>(you) seethe
>doesn't stream
>(you) seethe
>doesn't interact with chat
>(you) seethe
>interacts with chat
>(you) seethe

Better luck next time sisters

>>56640428
I'm sorry for being a whore. Let me hold on to something as i wait.

>>56640758
You cant just add glasses to every shiori image..

>>56635433
This, she is going to be ruthlessly going after the money for the very short time she is in hololive.
Expect this girl to love bomb and have zero shame on farming high paying fans so she can transfer it all to her IRL projects.

>>56637166
of course people do, but we are also pointing out that this girl doesn't respect this job and just wants to eat her fans for all their moneys worth while she can

>>56635566

>>56640758
Check in on a I miss Sana thread in the catalog for your future, it'll be eye opening for you

>>56641881
Surely you have proof for such outlandish claims against her right? Oh and dont even bother if you get all your info from bait threads like this one.

>>56637016
>he doesn't remember

>>56642126
>Surely you have proof for such outlandish
found shiori's paypig cuck

>>56642249
So you don't? Cool. Shut the fuck up then.

>>56637166
>Do you fags want the girls to interact with their audience, or to not interact with their audience?
It's obvious that Shiori's excessive prechat interactions are completely insincere and she's just doing it to string paypigs along. If she ever does a male collab those same paypigs will get the knives out though so she'd better be real fucking careful.

>>56638339
you cant compare the two nene is a 2view that needs her paypigs or she has to be a wagie again

do people not feel FOMO from this? i think its a nice thing to interact with your audience in pre-chat like sure, but damn, i can't help but feel it'd start to make you feel like you need to be in pre-chat

like what >>56636740 said. at the very least it's archived thanks to hololyzer, but viewing an archive is different than being there at the time and actually being able to type/talk to your oshi(?)
whether its sincere or insincere idc, for the people involved im sure it feels very nice to be able to talk with your oshi like this, but i imagine it would fester some obsessive feelings at some point

>>56642789
that's the plan, she wants people to obsess over her

>>56642789
They'll get used to it as long as Shiori cares for novelites

>>56636086
And some people think that they can read minds or that their therapist loves them, or that a smiling cashier is flirting.

>>56637166
Holodrones don't care,
Their logic is is reduced to a simple braindead:
>Hololive does it = good
>Rest does it = bad/don't care/they are desperate
They are truly the worst corporate simps of any corporation that has ever existed in the history of humanity

>>56639564
Disgusting holocuck seething when confronted with own hypocrisy

>>56643837
Could you answer the question next time retard or are you too busy fueling your hate boner?

>>56643243
>Performer trying build a devoted audience
>This is a bad thing
She's literally just chatting about their day how is this manipulative or scummy? It's just regular community building, two views do this shit all the time

>>56639634
she is irish

>>56642628
Just because you need money doesn’t mean your disgusting grifting behavior becomes ethical. She’s a grifter, that’s all.
Also she can get money without grifting but in the end grifters gonna grift.

>>56643837
yes

>>56644656
>Disgusting grifting
>"Have a good day at work anon!"
?

>>56634810
I'll love her until she collabs with the homos then she's dead to me

Would this still be shitty if she was japanese or would it suddenly be fine as now it's "loving your fans?"

>>56644781
She’s camping the prechat giving shoutouts to everyone who donates in the most shameless fashion, thus encouraging donations in a predatory way. It’s not rocket science.

>>56642789
>do people not feel FOMO from this? i think its a nice thing to interact with your audience in pre-chat like sure, but damn, i can't help but feel it'd start to make you feel like you need to be in pre-chat
its worse when you want to interact but your account name is some retarded grotesque thing with a profile pic to match because who the fuck cares about that, you didnt expect to ever want other people to notice or care
shiori isnt going to ever mention my account names like "Hemorrhoid Popper" for example (not a real name)

>>56644951
>Says thank you to superchats
Would you rather she do it on a superrchat reading stream? I thought we liked it when chuubas acknowledged supas? Besides, she chats with regular message the time too.

I always considered tempus to be the worst thing to happen to holoen but its probably this bitch

>>56644456
>She's literally just chatting about their day how is this manipulative or scummy?
Because she doesn't actually care and is just fishing for money.

>>56645171
I mean, it's her job? Yeah, the waitress is being polite and funny to get a tip, isn't that the point?

>>56645059
For the most part interrupting the conversation for the supa shout-out is not ok as for my standards. I understand some girls do it midstream from time to time but then again these girls have a proven record of not reading superchats and even missing them during the superchat reading time.
If she wasn’t farming donations she would just stay chatting and ignoring the superchats until the end of the stream. That’s the norm and what most girls who actually read superchats dedicatedly do.

>>56645249
>I mean, it's her job?
Her job is to make money but grifting is a pretty trashy way to go about doing it.
>Yeah, the waitress is being polite and funny to get a tip, isn't that the point?
Holos generally try to make money by producing entertaining content. Baiting the emotionally weak with fake affection and insincere attention is distasteful desu.

>>56645561
>>56645561
Why, precisely, do you imagine chuubas do what they do? It's all fake and insincere anon. I'm not seeing how asking your audience about their day for supas is any different than shaking your ass in a 3d swimsuit or singing for supas.

>>56634810
How do you check that data? I ain't no numberfag.

>>56645812
If you really think what she does is ok you should watch hololive jp and learn japanese. Your view on what it’s acceptable and in general your overal view on the culture this hobby moves around is warped. And I’m not saying it in an attempt to ridicule you, for real you’re missing out on what this really is and what this should be only because you were presented a bunch of western whores and comically out of context clips (often mistranslated) of hololive jp (no, the fanservice and over the top jokes some hololive jp members do aren’t what define them in any capacity and they aren’t predatory).

>>56642789
Eventually you stop giving a shit. Enjoy the endorphins while they last, I guess.

>>56645812
because in the real world you would get fuck over.

>>56646233
Nene literally calls all her fans "husbands" and had a marriage ceremony for them on stream. Rushia sold a wedding ring. Are you alright anon?

Is comment on holocure is always this toxic?
The chat in biboo is so toxic

>>56646703
>The chat in biboo is so toxic
Are you sure about that?

>>56646819
Not now duh
Before the swap thingy(I don't play holocure so idk what that call)
Chat is bashing each other and etc

>>56646703
Yup backseaters wanting to optimize everything

>>56637166
>Do you fags want the girls to interact with their audience, or to not interact with their audience?
There is a difference between showing appreciation and farming. This still hasn't gotten anywhere close to Bettel since he would sometimes have 500+ prechat messages. Still unusual to see a hololive talent go this far though the EN vtuber market has reclined.

>>56645812
>It's all fake and insincere anon
No it isn't, you brain damaged retard kek. This might blow your mind but a lot of Holos have genuine gratitude and respect for their fanbases and wouldn't sink to grifting them. You don't see Pekora in prechat responding to individual Nousagi and pretending to be their friend/lover.
>shaking your ass in a 3d swimsuit or singing for supas
How can a chuuba sing or shake her ass insincerely? You aren't making sense.

>>56647916
Is the grifting in the room with us right now anon? Show me a chat from her that you think is grifting

>>56637285
Their entire fucking existence as a vtuber is a monetary incentive, you fucking mong.

An actual interaction that doesn't involve money is when they personally message every single one of us in her real life account.

>>56636822
How could you hate this, I dont get it...

>>56648214
>Their entire fucking existence as a vtuber is a monetary incentive,
Yes and? Most of them obtain money ethically without grifting anyone.

>>56648807
so talking to people in pre-chat or even on twitter, which is what most gfe chuubas do, is grifting?
are you saying all gfe chuubas are grifters?

>>56649015
>so talking to people in pre-chat or even on twitter, which is what most gfe chuubas do, is grifting?
If you target individuals and pretend to have a personal interest in them, yes, that's absolutely grifting.
>are you saying all gfe chuubas are grifters?
No. But yes.

>>56649015
on the "uwu pamper me :))) ;)" stream it sure as fuck is

>>56649466
>pretend to have a personal interest
>"Have a good day at work anon"
>"Thanks for the supa"
>"Have a good night!"
Literally the most surface level small talk

>>56639551
orange woman... my oshi...

>>56638069
qrd?

>>56649634
>Literally the most surface level small talk
I don't think you understand how vulnerable gachis can be. Shiori clearly does, though.

>>56645014
My dude, you know about Eating Mike Tyson's Ass don't you?

holofans aren't used to dealing with indies. she has a long history as a struggling indie. they are easy prey.

>>56635120
They really love her

>>56637166
I'll speak for the /vt/ hivemind for just a moment. You see, it's actually really simple, anon.
If we collectively like the girl, then interacting like this is good/based/cute. There are no issues. But if we collectively DISLIKE the girl, then prechat fan interactions are bad/exploitative/whoreish. Hope this helps!

>>56641779
That's gonna be difficult since they're all just in love with her model. They could put a TTS AI behind it and it would do just as well

This woman is generating so much seethe, it's amazing.

you're all going to miss her prechat interactions after she gets lobotomized and reduces interacting with her viewers. then everyone is going to start complaining like clockwork.