/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

And this is why you unicorns are so hated. Why not talk about your oshi instead of falseflagging and making insincere arguments like this?

>>56141209
>Kronii
Vesper's slut and still remains it until they both graduate
>Mori
Least worst of them she is not for unicorn since the start but at least she still provided contents so I don't really care about her
>Ollie
Still trying to change Hololive's culture by incorporing more indo e-celebs
>Laplus
She literally never stops lying and having yabs constantly but you don't know about them

>>56141381
But I mean it.

>>56141487
what yabs laplus yabs are all nothingburgers

Hold on hold on, I think you guys have the impression that this is just your regular ironic schizo thread where OP is just trying to get schizo responses against them, but no, I'm serious, no cap fr fr, all the bad feelings I had against them are gone and I'm ready to move on, like the other anon said above Mori looks like is ready to move on too and there is a chance the other girls too, the rebellious phase is over. why not forget and forgive them? Omega is dead, we are in the dimitri jap sama's dinasty, the holoEN renaissance, hololive is changing for better, why shouldn't me too? why shouldn't you too?

>>56141209
Out of 4, Mori and Lap are most deserving of forgiveness.
Kronii is too fucking lazy to try earn it.
And Ollie... Honestly fuck this whore. There's a limit on forgiveness.

Only Kronii deserves forgiveness
The other 3 are the gateway to e-celeb cancers

Mori will never be forgiven

>>56142162
>>56142239
Good good, I'm glad that there is some progress.

>>56141209
You do you

>>56141209
Won how? The homos died but more members are gradually interacting with e-celebs. Cut off one head and two take its place. I honestly don't see a path to victory here.

>>56142381
What's stopping you anon?

>>56141209
Im already forgive Ollie since she's now turn a new leaf, less collab with 2views local chuuba and male

beside she's surprisingly a good performer in live concert too

>>56141209
Nothing to forgive. They chose the hill they wanted to die on and I just don't need these "reformists" who are trying to fight le evil idol culture and own ze haterz. Also, I don't want to be in the same chat as their cuck fans. Simple as.

>>56141209
Laplus is a japanese teenage boy, she(he) is already forgiven

They will never be forgiven and no amount of shilling or falseflagging will change this.

>>56141209
I don't. I quite enjoy the current state of ollie and Mori's numbers.

>>56141209
>forgive
Nah we just forget about them. Same with the homo.

>>56141209
No, fuck these cunts. I hope some homeless asshole runs them over with their shopping cart full of meager posessions

>>56141209
I don't hold grudges but I'm also not wasting time watching any of them lol

Shout out to all these girls, gotta be one of my favorite Holos

>People ITT hating Ollie
I can see moonacucks are still seething and can't get over the fact she revealed what a whore your oshi is

Kronii and La+ are significantly worse than Ollie and Calli. At least the dead duo actually care about the company culture. Kronii and Laplus are far more self centered, lazy, and trashy.

>>56144284
Based deadbeat

>>56144897
what is happening with kiara? she has the least amount of new subs

>>56141209
>Time heals
isn't that a funny thing to say?

The other 3 have at least somewhat tried to make up from their mistakes and have put in the work for Hololive as a whole, what has Kronii done to show that she at least feels regret and is trying to make up?

>>56141209
I don't think time heals what's already rotten.

>>56141209
I don't forgive, I just move on. All their channels are blocked and I never see them anymore and most of the time forget they even exist and that's fine with me. The only times there's an issue is when they are involved in some collab event. They definitely weigh in the direction of not watching it but I can watch them in something if there's enough other good things to balance it out. Like I didn't skip the ID festival this year because of Ollie and Mori but because the last one was so bad with the POV's and I just can't stand these mixed-language group events they do in Minecraft anymore because it always ends up with the POV or the voice being just an annoyance that doesn't actually want to be part of the group. I love Iroha but I don't watch her collabs with Laplus because I don't like watching Iroha getting abused by that whore. Even Iroha/Chloe collabs are more tolerable.

>>56144579
Who cares about Moona. This whore tried to push Irys into homocollabs and made Nene go menhera over her stupid Apex thing, because she of course couldn't say who is in what part.
Ollie is a nijinigger sabotaging Hololive from inside.

>>56141209
There was nothing to forgive.

>>56144675
>Ollie
>Caring about company culture
In what alternative reality you live?

>>56148242
Make up for doing what exactly? breaking schizo brains?

>>56148910
What are you doing in this thread then?

>>56144579
Thank god I can drop all IDs. Your oshi is still shit who keep trying to insert the homos everywhere.
>>56144675
>ollie
>care about company culture
Literally a homo shiller, hope the fatty chokes on ice cube.

>>56141381
Fpbp

>>56141209
Hey, look anon.
I'm going to be completely sincere with you and speak from my heart.
I do forgive them. (Except Laplus, we'll talk about it later)
Kronii, even though she's somewhat against idol and unicorn culture, she tries to pander to them sometimes, and she's also a good entertainer. Forgiven.
Mori... I forgave her a good time ago, I just couldn't hate her. She is a good entertainer (for those who do enjoy her mannerisms), and good singer most of the time (I love her "emo rap songs"). She is also a cute dork. Very forgiven.
Ollie, I can't dislike her either. in fact, I always liked her personality, her voice and her design. She is entertaining as well. I wish her good luck and that she reclines and expands her watchers somehow. Forgiven.

But Laplus... I do not say this out of spite, hate, "anti-ness", nor anything like that. But I'm very disappointed in her. Extremely disappointed. I almost don't care if she has a bf, or a gf, or if she is a bit menhera/lazy. What I really cared about, was her potential.
Her lore, her character design, even her fucking voice is *chef kiss* magnificent. I really wanted her to play MUCH, much more her character, to maintain the kayfabe, to never broke the "roleplaying immersion" (which she did, several times.), in my humble opinion, she had the potential to even surpass pekora, marine, and perhaps gura. That's how good her potential was. Now... it's wasted, forever. I don't forgive her. But as disappointed as I am in her wasted potential, I hold no grudges against her. Only a profound, deep, unquenchable, disappointment.

>>56141209
I only forgive Mori. Laplus and Kronii are still lazy bitches.

I forgive them all except Laplus. It's one thing to come off as rude or dismissive to your audience. It's another thing to try to funnel hololive viewers away from cover for a year and then ragepost, calling them all incels when they catch you sexting your boyfriend live on stream, then getting your boyfriend to call them all incels too. Then never apologizing and trying to act like it never happened.
This is just leagues apart from what the other three did.

>>56148242
She was publicly flogged for her sins

>>56141209
you forgot to add Amelia

>>56141209
I forgive Mori, it feels like she has made a genuine effort to be better and less antagonistic

>>56154352
Ame was just doing whst Management told her too - as a Holo tevh staff. Its her job. Now that Omega is out of the picture, Ame is back to her original master - https://files.catbox.moe/ili71p.jpg

>>56155389
hot

>>56141209
ehh i need a little more time to pass with no cross-gender collabs and then i could forgive them (well with ollie she never stopped so i'm not forgiving her any time soon)

I never even cared.

>Mori
Hasn’t had a real yab in like a year and half now, hard worker, good senpai, has a much better attitude towards Hololive than she used too, and does enough good to outweigh the bad. I unironically forgave her already.
>Kronii
Her biggest sin is being lazy and squandering her god given talent. I was on the road to forgiving her until this recent Japan arc where she can’t be fucked to wake up before noon to stream for her fans meanwhile Fauna is waking up at 6:00 AM every day just to stream in her normal timeslot, and not to mention she didn’t show up to Mumei birthday in person like Bae and Fauna did.
>Laplus
I don’t watch JP and was basically indifferent to her until the recent Karaoke relay where she forgot to redirect to Kiara, so now I have a actual reason to dislike her.
>Ollie
Apex begging is a crime too severe to be forgiven.

>>56142162
based. but I still don't know laplus' yab

>>56155346
>>56155810
>Mori
she can't stay how many holos has she killed already ?

I still like Ollie. Hololive has changed her far more than she's changed it, and I see everything she's done in at least the past nine months as a net positive

>>56141209
I never had anything against them to begin with.

>>56141209
No. Everyone gets one chance with me. If they fuck it up then they're dead forever. I am severely mentally ill so you cant even judge me for my behavior.

>>56141209
>Could you forgive them too?
A total cessation of intergender collabs and good behavior for one year. Then I'll think about forgiving them.

Laplus is on the same boat as twap. the only issue she did was get dragged into a collab with Kobo the shit eater.

>>56141209
im amazed anons are willing to forgive mori
she was patient 0, the initial cancer that opened the flood gates for it to spread. remeber she made shitting on your fans and bringing e-celebs into EN the norm, cause twitter used to worship whatever she did back then.

before she pulled her shit EVEN nijiEN was doing CGDCT. then she started the "owning her haters ark" then most other EN vtubers started to do it too cause shes heckin based. look at how many western vtubers use her as there "oshi" wich has become a red flag by now

i get shes changed but shes is still the source of all that shit that went wrong in the west next to vshoujo. i just wanted EN version of the JP experience and i cant beleive it took this long to get it this consistenly till now

>>56141209
You can add the rat to it. I work on the 3 episode rule. No looking back even if everyone tells me the new season is a must watch.

>>56157197
What e-celebs did she bring in to EN? Because if you say Trash Taste, that was literally a sponsored stream. Also JP collabs with e-celebs way more than EN, so that IS the JP experience.

>>56157737
a sponsored stream she intiated anon. that was what got the ball rolling for more western e-celebs to try to jump on the hololive wagon too. look at how many normal streamers were trying to get her attention and kissing her ass after her first song on owning the haters

>Also JP collabs with e-celebs way more than EN, so that IS the JP experience.
kek sad but true. though i meant the CGDCT aspect.

>>56156247
You can't punish a reaper for killing people.

>>56141209
Kronii is still a lazy whore, Mori is still a dumb fuck lean addict, Laplus is still a liar and Ollie is honestly the worst holomen to ever disgrace the company the sooner she is gone the better.

>>56157197
>she was patient 0
nah that was coco

>>56141209
>>56141986
Honestly the negative feelings are (mostly) long gone but that doesn't mean I'm gonna watch them, the lingering sentiment is still there and colors my viewing experience. I gave them a chance and I wasn't hooked. There are so many chubbas out there and even new ones debuting that I have no interest in going back to the ones I dropped to give a second chance.

>>56141209
I really want to at least be at the level of indifference for Kronii. Shits fucking hard and Kromeibeggars are delusional.

>>56155810
Don't forget deciding to release a cover right before her birthday. Even her call-in was all about bohoo I'm busy and dying.

Yeah, just like Jews would forgive Adolf Hitler for the six gorillion. roru

>>56141209
qrd on all of them?

>>56156247
Mori hasn't yabbed in a while but this Makes her the biggest sinner and quite hard for me to even watch collabs with her. It is one thing to yab by your self but influencing others to yab like >>56157197 makes it impossible to ignore and let time wash away the negative feelings.

>>56141209
>Ollie
Is this about her telling indogs to stop being brown?

>>56160401
>influencing
All she did was expose the true nature of some people. Let hololive supporters know which ones to support. Pretty based if you ask me.

I never held a grudge against them to begin with, they’re alright

>>56161278
true. them breaking keyfabe and doing whatever they wanted would of happened eventually but i feel like she did accelarate it to some degree. not sure i would call her based for that but she does at least serve as a cannary for future menheras. which gives me PTSD when i see her being around advent so much

>>56141209
I will never forgive mori for putting Gura into harms way.

>>56141209
>everyone makes mistakes you know?
where have i heard that one before??

Will you forgive Kronii if Vesper graduates?

some of you mfers are mentally ill

>>56158298
>a sponsored stream she intiated anon
Proof? The sponsorship was Cover's idea to get a foot in the door of the western audience, or at least they thought it would. Why pin this on Mori?

Their downfall is my pleasure

>>56157197
>>56162030
You guys are giving her too much credit.

>>56164816
Thanks sherlock

>>56141209
Kronii has literally done nothing to earn anyone's forgiveness or even respect. It's just hilarious how she started whoring herself out the moment the homo ship started sinking, even had Vesper's name banned in chat.

God everyone here is a faggot.

>>56169068
Including (You)

>>56151450
>But I'm very disappointed in her
I relate to you so much, but for a different chuuba. It's strange how accurate your words apply towards my feelings for Mumei. They perfectly encapsulate my feelings for her.

>>56167068
credit or not, that was done by her hand first and foremost. and then went in full Yab, he fall from fame is a beautiful thing to watch
any long term fan knows she's the shit and rot of hololive.

>>56169068
>*begs for more homo collabs*

>>56174720
Sure but blaming Mori for state of NijiEN is stupid.

>>56141209
I forgave Mori when she got the extra weight off and I will forgive Ollie if she becomes thin.

>>56175521
>>56157197(me)
>before she pulled her shit EVEN nijiEN was doing CGDCT. then she started the "owning her haters ark" then most other EN vtubers started to do it too cause shes heckin based.

the general feel of new EN vtubers during myths debut was them trying to copy the hololive model because of how big it made them (CGDCT). which includes nijiEN girls trying to be cute. even enna of all livers was guilty of trying to be uwu cute. watch her early shit. notice how quick nijiEN droppped the act when they saw all the twitter praise mori was getting for owning le haters. im saying if mori would of kept shit professional with her massive influence, the EN sphere would of continued mimicking holoJP foemula instead of accelerating the (admittignly inevitable) of dropping the keyfabe and going regular streamer with anime avatar in western vtubers.wihich eventually led to typical e-thot behavior of "keep giving me money and dont question my stream choices incel" discourse of the last 2 years.

>>56141209
Never, are you for real anon

>>56168672
>even had Vesper's name banned in chat.
kek funny if true

>>56179023
So what event are you talking about with Mori? Lean or some earlier stuff?

>>56179206
Yes

>>56179433
IIRC trash taste was her first "yab" where she was geting hate. then just kept yabbing for a while after that so kinda hard to remember the timeline. the lean shit was a little after defending trash taste.

>>56174669
I'm glad to know I'm not alone in this feeling.

>>56141209
Kronii is the only one who seems to have never had any interest in eceleb trash. She's stayed completely within 'Hololive' so it's hard to really blame her for following how the branch was functioning. If Tempus was never a thing or considered to be part of Hololive EN in any way (a lot of people, talents and fanbase alike, clearly seemed to think so), she would've just been doing the same as before. Similar case with Ame. They both seem obedient to the direction of the branch, so it's important that management doesn't make dumb plays.
Ollie and Lap are different with regard to ecelebs and branching out. Let's just say I usually don't watch anyone who plays Apex/Valo. I think Mori is redeemable only because she might be having an attitude change, but I was avoiding her entirely for a while. For the first time in a long time I watched her in the Marine/Bae/Mori collab, and she was a lot less grating and her JP actually has improved quite a bit. At the very least as long as she doesn't initiate any male garbage in the branch, I can probably start being able to support Myth as a unit again. Personally at the moment I'm still unsubbed from all of them though, and most likely to resub to Kronii first. Then maybe Mori if I want to support Myth, and that's probably it.

>>56141209
seek help

>>56164727
No because her laziness has always been a far worse problem than collabing with males.

>>56179023
All I’m getting from this is that Mori hate is largely perpetrated by Niji fans.

>>56184655
But this is >our theraphy session, explain why you can't forgive her for the time being or how/why you started to forgive some or all of them

>>56141209
Never forgive someone who won't apologize.

>>56179023
Yeah, Niji going to hell is Mori’s fault, not, you know, Luxiem becoming super popular and all the whores in Niji abandoning idol kayfabe to leech off of them.

>>56141209
>Forgive them
I'd be amazed if you were even a recognizable name in any of their chats

>>56141209
None of these people did anything wrong.

>>56141209
>Kronii
Yeah no, enabling homos is a grave sin also her lazy ass didn't help her at all
>Mori
idc, but please stop spamming on the new girls chat
>ID and JP
idgaf

I will never forgive pekora

>>56144897
It's insane how many deadsubs Mori has. 30k news subs but still the lowest ccv across the board. Who are all of these thousands of people subbing to her only to never watch her? From where do they even come from?

>>56186370
One piece shit maybe? Worst offender of this is actually Ollie, 1M subs but she's borderline 3view in her solo stream

>>56141209
The only one that really changed from this is Mori, I still hate her personality but she is easy to tolerate

>>56186370
You don't know? It is for her music. She was never known for her streaming skills.

>>56185382
you know what anon i completely forgot about that. its true, i remember the thirst posting on twitter all the girl started doing with them. completly dropping the yuribaiting they were doing up till then

what did ollie do? i only know about the yubi rrat

>>56186321
fuck off migo.
you shouldnt of have let her on

>>56148242
She's perfect she doesn't have to apologize. If she decides to change that's her just getting more perfect on her own.

>>56141209
I'm only changing my opinion on Mori, not the other 3 whores

>>56141209
Forgive them for what? They seem like run-of-the-mill harmless internet people. Did they shoot your dog or something?

I mean both her and Coco definitely had an effect on the direction of western vtubing.

But I will go against the grain and argue against this line of thought. Mori is a symptom not the source. The problem was always "ironic", and I apply this term very loosely, weebs who were always going to support the vtubers who would go against ze haters and be her own content creator or something. It was only ever gonna go this way until they got their reckoning. The pendulum is being swung the other way around, I'm pretty sure most vtubers see the writing on the wall. I think this will all coalesce when niji faces mass graduations, but I will stick with my jp chuubas for now

>>56141487
>>Laplus
>She literally never stops lying and having yabs constantly but you don't know about them
share some if they're really that bothersome

>>56141209
First three did literally nothing wrong and only schizos think otherwise. Last one, the only thing wrong she did was try to shill her roommate on her holo account.

>>56196456
>Last one, the only thing wrong she did was try to shill her roommate on her holo account.
she literally never did this and if she did it'd be grounds for a public lashing by Cover

>>56190791
Have you seen iron mouse's collab partner? that could have been hololive in another timeline

>>56151450
I'd get it if laplus went after a big name but she threw away being a top holo to chase after small japanese fps streamers

>>56147208
IDK man. Streams regularly, works hard, and doesn't have any major drama. It's just one of those things, maybe the "X factor"? I really wish Kiara the best, never understood the hate especially in her early days when people complained about her voice. Then the Mori cuck yab happened and Gura stopped regularly steaming she gained favor for her enduring personality and work ethic. Poor chicken can't catch a break it seems like. Sometimes though the world just needs people like her, not top percentile but makes up the solid foundation higher performers are dependent on. Kind of like whales needing minnows to create a greater ecosystem. It's definitely not the most glamorous role but absolutely needed and underappreciated.

>>56192549
Alright since no one seems like they're willing to share, I went to the archives and found this.
>>/jp/thread/44078129#p44078665
I have no idea if there's anything more recent but that's all I have.

Mori was a retard, then she stopped for a while, then she picked it back up, and now she took a break from it again.
Ollie gets used through and through. She is geninely supportive of everyone who's ever given her a chance and the leeches and faggots smell blood in the water. You can be mad about her support of the Stars and male EN members, but she and her sister had been watching the Stars before she got into the club. She's got uber little sister energy and only wants to see people do well around her, by far the least egregious on the list.
I know nothing about LaPlus beyond the shitposting and bullshitting pushed around here. If she really did spend a bunch of time during group collabs with her gen playing Apex elsewhere instead of hanging with them, she deserves the shit she gets.
I dislike Kronii and her vocal fry/cadence is one I would much rather avoid. As long as the girls I like don't get very attached, she can sink her career in whichever way she sees fit. By far the dumbest on the list.

>>56186370
ppl who sub her for music will never watch her stream. it's bound to happen

>>56147208
Her streaming time is shit for the general populous. Anyone who would have found her during that timezone already has, and she gets the least exposure to the NA primetime slot. If people never see you live, the average fan who just jumps to whoever is live will never sub to you, new or old. On top of that, look at the reccommended when multiple EN are streaming at the same time. They all appear there, Kiara has no reach because she streams almost completely alone. Anout the only other person I see recc'd at that time is Reine (which is kinda cute) and the occaisonal JP

>>56155389
Has she repudiated her "improve yourself" comments?

>>56141209
No, never. No forgivenss no redemption. Only justice, only vengeance.

>>56203782
>never understood the hate especially in her early days when people complained about her voice
That's because of orc schizo, she was extremely dedicated to sink her ship and when she finally understood that wawa deserved that spot, then she passed the torch to egg, I kinda understand her position but she ended up doing a lot of damage to her, and wawa took it probably better than anyone would.
Also, I know she has a pleasant voice hidden somewhere, I have heard it before, maybe it happens when she is very relaxed Idk.

lmao all the Cuckbeats trying to gaslight the board with the constant 'I forgive her and you should too!' threads need to get roped