/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>54350788
>Machine translation: https://poe.com/s/bh6CLZWoQghnAw6MzwHN
It's been 3 years

>>54350788
>Q: What are your plans for expanding into Chinese-speaking and Indian markets?
>Chinese
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Indian
jesas fucking christ

>>54351068
I hope they aren't serious about this. In the business world China and India have had the reputation of being financial blackholes for the past 50+ years, it's a fool's errand.

>>54350788
>Q: Why did you eliminate shareholder gifts at the shareholder meeting?

>A: To avoid any perception of unfairness due to the lottery system, we decided not to provide gifts.
Lel

>>54351068
>Indian
But we just got ADVENT

>>54351148
China is, India is still in the middle of the boom

>>54350788
>Q: What kind of world are you envisioning with your mission to create "culture loved by the world"?
>A: We aim for a situation where our services are recognized by everyone around the world.

holo domination is real

>>54351068
Zhang's should either fuck off or lick cover corps asshole.

And we know they don't want the asshole if it's not Winnie the Pooh

>>54351180
Superpower by 2050?

>>54350788
He used to look healthy

>>54351180
>India a world super power in 2025

God help us all

>>54351180
No even India. They have the same problem but for different reasons, mostly being their culture takes pride in running a good hustle and if it's done on a foreigner even better and it's your fault for falling for it.

>>54351294
This looks a lot healthier than 2 months ago. His face seems relatively full and not just skin and bones

>>54351356
The difference is that you can run a profitable business in India without having to bend over and let them own half the business, which you can't in China. You're also not at the mercy of the Indian government the same way you are in China

>>54350788
>Q: I feel there is some conflict between VTubers and the company/shareholders regarding how profits are allocated. Does the company have any priorities?
this is your brain on late stage capitalism

>>54351550
>you can run a profitable business in India
Only if you let them take majority of the revenue which they'll do whether you let them or not, otherwise good luck trying to enforce contract and IP laws as a foreigner.

>>54351148
Luxiem seemed to be benefitting a lot from china before they botched it. There is money in pandering to china, though that money obviously has its downsides

>>54351596
Shareholders are parasites after all. They can't stand the idea of waiting and getting steady ROI no they want instant gratification NOW so they can use that money and suck the life out of another company and just keep filling their bank books.
Capitalists of the 21st Century manage to be dumber than those of the 20th Century even though they have more tools that tell you that investing and development = more profit long term they just are too caught up on instant gratification that they don't care once they cash out.

>>54351148
The answer shot the idea of China and India down, if you read beyond the politeness.

>Q: What are your plans for expanding into Chinese-speaking and Indian markets?
>A: Rather than limiting ourselves to specific regions, global expansion is important. This includes overseas VTuber debuts in EN, ID, etc. as well as localization.

>>54351852
China only cares about you for as long as it takes them to reverse engineer a suitable alternative using your own assets. See: the BiliBili male chuubas that have been eating into Luxiem's marketshare

>>54351957
From what I can tell it mostly went to shit when they allowed properties tangible or otherwise to be simultaneously owned by public corporations and traded as a commodity.

>>54351180
India is fucking worse. Don't fall for the poopaganda
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-66160997.amp&ved=2ahUKEwjq84nQrq6AAxXT_rsIHY2PDF0Q0PADKAB6BAgcEAE&usg=AOvVaw2icDQJ8sFcBWU8ymr3EJJN

>Q: I think it would be good to use inactive IPs for merchandise etc. What do you think?

>A: While it is difficult for the company to unilaterally decide regarding inactive IPs considering factors like fan sentiment, we appreciate your valuable feedback as a reference.

Sounds like an investor wants to sell Rushia and Coco merch again.

>>54352211
Jesus fuck...

>>54352299
The answer is pretty good, at least. People at Cover still have the majority so there's no need to worry about people with 0 idea about vtubing taking over for now.

>>54351550
lol, lmao even
Whatever scummy things you think chinks do, jeets will outdo them. They are also lazier and and chimp out when they see the foreign company has already invested the money and are at their mercy, by going on strikes and attacking factories
https://fortune.com/2020/12/14/apple-iphone-india-factory-workers-protest-attack/
https://m.economictimes.com/tech/technology/wistron-exits-apple-india-biz-after-tripping-over-scale-work-culture/articleshow/100401616.cms

>>54352481
Have you considered paying them better?

>>54352437
It would defeat the purpose of a terminated and a graduated vtuber though.. if they sell merch of them it would be as if they're still there and newer fans hooked into hololive would begin to ask questions who they are.

>>54352533
then there is no reason to go there

>>54352533
Shit pay is universal at this point

>>54352533
Why would anyone invest in India or China if they wanted to pay higher salaries?

>>54352211
>an investor wants to sell some sweet Hitomi Chris rugs and mics
Honestly, based. Do they even realize what they’ve invested in or are they just throwing money around like usual?

>>54352001
Kek what a non answer. India and China are better markets than ID

>>54351356
>mostly being their culture takes pride in running a good hustle and if it's done on a foreigner even better and it's your fault for falling for it.
Many cultures engage in this race to the bottom stuff

Holo has already fucked it instead of doubling down on the idol stuff they want to be take a slice of the streamers and esports pie.

The people running that company are morons, No one wants to see VALORANT in Holo.

>>54352775
Translation: (You) don’t want to see Valorant in Hololive.

>>54352863
No one does, Even Nijisanji can't make it popular you little cunt.

>>54352719
Lol
Lmao

>>54352889
Yeah and nijisanji couldn't make ID popular, what's your point?

>>54352916
hows that even relevant to VALORANT you fucking idiot?

>>54352941
sorry you don't know how to have fun anymore anon

>>54352889
Valorant is already getting popular in Japan. It's the new Apex.

Any news about HoloPH?

>>54353010
Yes professional valorant, No one wants to see V-Tubers play it.
The evidence speaks for itself.

>>54351068
>Chinese-speaking
Already working on that with the future HoloTW. Chinese audience without the govt.

>>54352719
One market launched a harassment campaign against the company and the other was so bad their competitor rebranded and pulled out

>We do not use metrics like viewing times as key performance indicators. In the post-COVID era we now find ourselves in, lifestyles have changed, and demand has greatly increased for content like short clips and derivative works. And with the expansion of real-world events, live shows, licensing, and tie-ups, overall exposure is increasing, not limited to the content we provide.
Further evidence that /#/ is retarded for obsessing over CCV, love to see it

>>54352719
>China
Only if you become their bitch
>India
I honestly never heard any anime or japanese stuffs took off there

Cover is serious with HoloEarth.
Hiring Yoichi Wada, Square Enix' Ex-CEO.

>>54353144
If /#/ ran hololive it would become nijisanji

>>54353191
Why wouldn’t they be? Regardless of perception about it from the idea, it further expands their influence, for better or for worse in the immediate.

>>54352211
lol, I feel bad for Cover. Such an idiotic question, it's like they don't understand that maintaining fan support is top priority.
>lmao just cash out forehead xDDD

>>54352719
>China
Sure, it is a fucking gold mine, but there is too much risk and danger to run said mine.

>India
Not really. While it's a gold mine for labor and the IT industry, its entertainment industry is captivated only by the Bollywood industry. We already saw from the Nijis how almost nonexistent their Otaku/Vtuber industry was in there, Hololive would only be slightly above that at best.

>>54353215
/#/ is not a monolith, but most people there hate Niji and think Holo is moving along the right path

>>54353348
metaverse is the wrong path though

>>54353191
>Yoichi Wada
eh, only know he's the reason for the shitty ff mobile ports

>>54351281
>>54351297
New date is 2075

>>54353401
>cutting dependance on youtube is the wrong path
Pajeet seethe

>>54353294
They don't care about maintaining anything. Whatever happens after shareholders' decisions is Cover's problem. The vultures just sell their shares and move on.

how timely,
a kitboga video just popped up in my youtube recommendations

>>54353215
No, it won't. Hell, hololive could be more profitable since /#/niggers want to disband ID and the homos.

>>54353449
you must be confused because youtube is a video streaming site and metaverse is some VRChat world with microtransactions

>>54353485
So they want to become nijisanji?

>>54353523
Where they can hold concerts without depending on YouTube's pajeet coding, yeah

>>54350788
>Q: What the fuck were you trying to do with Omega and Tempus.
>A: We are very sorry. Please accept this naked dogeza.
That explains everything.

>>54353480
>
My sides just jettisoned out into space.

>>54353591
you can do that on another video streaming site without vr coding and microtransactions. There's no excuse for cover to pursue the metaverse

>>54350788
>shareholder lottery autism
Fucking hell

>>54353485
>cutting off your low cost maintenance branch
>more profitable
Smartest /#/ dweller

>>54351234
Successful or not the results will be the same, CCP officials seizing the Chinese branch and handing it over to one of their lackeys to embezzle money from. Winnie the Pooh is not too keen on promoting culture that originates from their great enemy across the East Sea and there is no fucking way they would let Cover bail again without taking a pound of flesh.

Consequently Cover has already been burned once in their chinese expedition and as the great satan Dubya once said “fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”

>>54353153
Because it's a shithole that intentionally wants to be a shithole. If someone were to just set up a monarchy and establish slavery there again they would probably not even notice.

>>54353711
Bro, I'm willing to shit out some money to get a vr set if holoearth becomes vr compatible. Yes, the concert looked that good.

>We have also seen diversification in our customer base across dimensions

>>54353984
Yeah the concert was great with more potential to do even cooler stuff. The rust clone is kind of silly but the 3d concerts are way better than YouTube

>>54353523
HoloEarth is a hub for various services
As you say, VRChat among fans
Concert streaming with future VR capabilities
Sandbox MMO
And whatever else they want to add, like solo adventures in HoloAlternative.

>>54352299
Devils advocate: If Cover announced they were re-releasing discontinued merch with the disclosure that the originating talent would still receive the same cut they use to i.e. you buy a Rushia doll, Rushia's RM gets her cut, would you buy it?

I'm not supporting it but I'm just saying, it is leaving money on the table and the ex-talent would be receiving what basically amounts to royalties for doing nothing.

Not that I think it would ever happen since they would have to change the contracts all the talent sign to include royalties and convince ex-talents to sign on and shareholders definitely wouldn't approve basically giving money away.

>>54353425
Square Enix did more than ff mobile imports

>>54351200
I support this.

>>54352676
You know the answer.

>>54352146
Yea when stocks devolved into poker chips for gambling instead of being signs of investment in a company is where shit started to go wrong.

>>54354165
They could, but it's just not worth the hassle. Concentrate on supporting current and future talents.

>>54351596
I fucking hate shareholders holy shit

>>54350788
Q: I feel there is some conflict between VTubers and the company/shareholders regarding how profits are allocated. Does the company have any priorities?
A: While our first priority as a company is to support the activities of our talent, by diversifying and distributing our business portfolio, we believe profitability can also be improved. For example, expanding the licensing business increases revenue not directly dependent on VTuber activities, which can improve profitability and flexibility in individual VTubers' activities, making it easier to balance the needs of various stakeholders.

some shareholders are bithcing that the talents are getting a huge chunk of the revenue lel

>>54354300
Going public was a mistake. Shouldve learnt from Anycolor

>>54353324
if they picked China, talents would be receiving 2% from their merch sales and more would be given to the shareholders

let's be real who the fuck would pick india?

>>54353144
>Q: With the post-COVID era, how does the company view the outlook for declines in viewing times and number of viewers?
The way I interpreted the question, they meant performance indicators for the whole company/industry, not individual performers. While I'm sure factors like merch sales and sponsorships also factor into comparisons between individual talents internally, I can't imagine that they don't care at all about the difference between a 20k CCV stream as opposed to one at 2k.
Also, one of the reasons /#/ care about CCV is because that's one of the few numbers we actually have access to. Obviously it would be nice if we knew everything else, like actual merch sales, but it's understandable to focus on what we have access to.

>>54354495
So you just disregard what he had to say then, got it.

>>54354165
I personally would not buy it because I would rather spend the money on their current merch to support their new persona, assuming it exists. However, assuming the ex-talent also has no issues with it, I would be fine with them selling it.

On the other hand, in some hypothetical situation where a black company treated an employee like absolute dogshit, fired them, and then made more merch to continue profiting off of them... Yes I would have a problem with that even if the former talent was still getting their share. Because the company doesn't deserve a dime.

>>54353485
Once again, /#/ is not a monolith. You might as well say that they hate Fauna too simply because Faunaschizo keeps posting seethe in every thread.
ID are low-maintenance, there would be no reason to cut them. HomoStars are also relatively low-maintenance and probably pay for themselves and increase brand awareness. The bigger risk there is sabotaging the main branch, but there's no need to cut them off to prevent that. All this can be easily solved through internal guidelines.

>>54354620
Holostars is not hololive

>>54354495
You are a retard
How high is metallicas, spirit box, ado, micheal jackson etc CCV? How consistent is their stream schedule? Or you can use popular comedians in the example or whatever the fuck you want.
Now go and huff lead paint retard

>>54354495
CCV is a great metric when all things are equal. But it's affected by overlap, time of stream, and fans spread out in different time zones. Good for Twitch, but later VOD views do count with YouTube.

>>54353711
>you can do that on another video streaming site
LIKE WHAT? daily motion?

>>54354575
What makes you say that? I agree that CCV is not the end-all be-all of metrics. I just think it's not irrelevant either. That doesn't do against the answer provided by Cover.

>>54354693
Why are you comparing Hololive to famous musicians

>>54354696
mildom? abema? niconico? twitch? kick?

>>54354665
Everyone but (you) know the difference between hololive production and just hololive. This is just like Idolm@ster as a whole and idolm@ster side M

>>54354820
why are you posting worst alternatives to youtube?

>>54354665
Where did I say that they were?

>>54354693
Don't be obtuse. Yes, some talents have different avenues of growth, and that should be taken into consideration. (For example, I agree with some posters that Mori's CCV is less important to her because of her music career.)
However, that doesn't make CCV for the members that mostly stream completely irrelevant. Or do you sincerely believe that it makes zero difference how many people are watching a stream?

>>54354697
Thank you, we are in agreement. CCV cannot and should not be compared without context of course.

>>54354820
They are all shit, crush bitrate and take a cut. HoloEarth concerts get 100% of the revenue from the most engaged fans.

>>54354933
why are you defending metaverse when it's worse than any of those sites?

>>54354495
So instead of accepting you don’t have the relevant information needed to properly understand the situation and spending more of your mental capacity on either things you enjoy or things that actually matter, you instead obsess over the little data that’s actually available to you, that the company itself barely pays attention to due to how little it matters, just so you can pretend like you’re a businessman who knows better than the people who actually have access to proper data and irrationally seethe over talents not performing to your(not the company’s) standards?
Because that’s pretty fucking stupid

>>54351068
>Chinese
you mean west Taiwan?, yeah we will go to Taiwan soon

>>54354993
the metaverse isn't a website, it's a concept

>>54351596
this will be cover's downfall. it might not kill the company, but it will kill hololive's soul.

>>54355020
the concept of adding unneeded bells and whistles and hamstringing a medium with an inferior product sure. Also a dodge

>>54355115
you can't say "the metaverse is shit" because it's not a thing
as a concept the metaverse is totally retarded, but they could build a good platform and call it "the metaverse" and it'd still be a good platform

>>54355115
You didn't watch the concert, it was great and more engaging and memorable than almost all Holos youtube streamed concerts. You advocate reliance on a third party company because zuck ran a buzzword into the ground

Shareholder gifts? What kind of greedy bullshit is that?

>>54355194
every shareholder gets a free acrylic stand of their oshi

>>54355227
An acrylic stand of a dollar sign sounds cool.

>>54355003
Dude, it's a hobby. Why are you so upset about people having fun trying to find trends with limited information? That's all /#/ truly is, if you look past the shitposting and tourists.
I understand that the general atmosphere of /vt/ can lead to some pretty toxic posts from time to time, sometimes using recent numbers as ammo. But that doesn't mean the act of analyzing stream performance is bad in itself. Not everyone seethes at someone getting poor numbers, it's just fun to see what's going on and speculate on what's causing ups and downs across the industry.
>the company itself barely pays attention to due to how little it matters
I don't know if you can conclude this just from just that one answer. Like I asked, do you sincerely believe that it makes absolutely no difference how many people a streamer reaches on average? Because that seems pretty naive to me.

I think you've just made numberfags a scapegoat, because CCV is sometimes used as trolling material. Unfortunately it's not that simple.

>>54355339
>Why are you so upset about people having fun trying to find trends with limited information? That's all /#/ truly is
/#/ at it's core is petty tribal competitiveness, that's why everyone hates it

>>54354319
it was forced by the original share holders, and they made bank from it. cover can slowly buy themselves back, but that sort of thing almost never happens

>>54355379
>>54354319
They didn't "go public" you idiots

>>54351957
>Shareholders are parasites
I don't think you understand how this works you dumb fucking commietard.

>>54355495
Nice try, shareholder-kun.

>>54355422
how is offering up your stocks for the public to buy, not going public, fag?

>>54354165
Forgot to add, giving a percentage to graduates is money leaving the company. Keeping it with only current talents keeps the money within the company.

The reason paying the talents a high percentage works is because that allows them to re-invest in themselves. Those songs, animations, 3D Lives etc. comes out of their own pocket. The individual talents are finding and growing partners themselves. Gura for example: chose a lesser known ID song composer and Tonari animations. They are doing the company work for them.

>>54355179
i can do great, more engaging, and memorable if i wore 3d glasses with regular streamed concerts plus i don't have to look forward to microtransactions

>>54354820
>mildom
>niconico
So literally abandon youtube for a worse alternative with lower bandwidth, reach and an even worse cut?
>twitch
> kick
Do you REALLY?
>abema
What?

>>54355378
I disagree, but I suppose it depends on how you mentally filter posts. I just ignore all posts that seems tribal in nature and focus on the actual numbers. There's no denying that /#/ has a lot of shitposts, but that goes for every thread on this board.
Also, it's not that serious. A bit of tribalfagging for your favorite brand is expected and totally fine IMO. We all have biases. Think of it as banter.

>>54355528
it was a limited public offering

>>54355339
>it’s just a hobby bro, why get so upset about it
Don’t try and pull this shit man, /#/‘s a thread full of asshats reducing the enjoyment of vtubing to a retarded horse race and pissing themselves when a talent vaguely connected to their favorite horse doesn’t get the same level of viewership
This whole board knows it and /#/ broadcasts this perspective every fucking chance they get and are bringing the quality of the entire board down because of it

>>54355378
>everyone
Nijiniggers

>>54355585
>I just ignore all posts that seems tribal in nature
are you fucking retarded? they have a daily competition to see who gets the highest number

>>54355599

>>54355378
Not only that its ridiculous the cope that /#s pull out of their ass whenever anyone does anything more successful than hololive
Ironmouse being more watched than hololive en members?
>TWITCH DOESNT COUNT BECAUSE THEY MAKE UP NUMBERS!!!
Nijisanji cashing in on the only people left on earth who care about baseball and making it into a yearly event
>IT'S OBVIOUSLY BOTTED!!!

It'd be one thing if the thread was honest but it's never been. In fact the only reason that ccv is the staple of /#/s is because they get beat in everything else

>>54355588
That still means it was at one point public...

>>54355588
youre a limited faggot

>>54355610
>>54355585
>>54355339
Not a single small corpo thread likes /#/fags.
Seriously go into /pkg/ or /tsunx/ right now and ask their opinions on numbers.

>>54355720
no, it means a small portion of it is public

>>54355664
>It'd be one thing if the thread was honest but it's never been. In fact the only reason that ccv is the staple of /#/s is because they get beat in everything else
This
Nijisanji actually obliterates Hololive when it comes to VOD views and relvancy
Retards dont understand that Hololive is actually not very popular in Japan and that Nijisanji still dominates that market

>>54355742
nobody likes /#/fags, they're the niggers of /vt/

>>54355599
>reducing the enjoyment of vtubing to a retarded horse race
I think it's better to think of it as "deriving enjoyment from a different aspect of vtubing". There's a reason some people IRL enjoy horse racing too you know.
I get it, you don't like the usual banter. That's understandable and you don't have to visit /#/ if you dislike it that much. Personally, I appreciate a place you can talk about the industry as a whole instead of how much you love a certain talent, etc. (I also have an oshi of course, and I use other threads for that purpose.)

>>54355629
Yes, and you can choose to ignore that. I'm more interested in long-term trends personally. Who cares if someone "wins" a single day if they are on a decline overall?

>>54354665
good luck telling kiara that

Hololive fans should realize that the Vtuber world doesnt revolve around them and a lot of other Vtuber fans in the board are getting sick and tired of them. I honestly think that if every other group bands together and push back we can remove these assholes or at least limit their retardation in the whole board

>>54355802
>and you can choose to ignore that
That's the point of the fucking thread
You're like a straight man in a gay bar saying you're there for the music

>>54355742
I literally only watch hololive but I get so sick of /#/s. I don't need a thread to tell me my oshi isn't as successful as she used to be. She knows it, I know it, everyone knows it. Making it into some imaginary competition where you win imaginary medals for hitting imaginary goals sucks the fun out of the streams

>>54355837
>Hololive fans should realize that the Vtuber world doesnt revolve around them
its called "main character syndrome"

>>54355802
>you don't have to visit /#/ if you dislike it that much
Too bad they constantly bring their shit into catalog and even other generals at times

>>54355785
This
Id rather have those people who make videos about /vt/ posts in youtube than people in /#/ at least thos youtube guys help grow and expand the board by bringing in new users

>Shaareholder thread
>Talks about /#/
Holy fuck those guys live rent free in your head. Also there is a reason why /#/ threads are popular

>>54355854
they don't have oshis, they just care who mogs the other and brag about it like they're on their side but as soon as a runner up comes and beats their CCV count, they turn on them.

>>54355892
/#/fags are basically wannabe shareholders so it makes sense

>>54355888
>embracing containment breach

>>54355892
A million flies cannot be mistaken, there's a reason why it's popular.

>>54355664
>if the thread was honest
The thread is composed of its active posters, each with their own opinions and biases. Because of Hololive's popularity with EOPs, it makes perfect sense that the thread leans that way.
If you want it to change, you will have to participate. Otherwise, I recommend just ignoring it, or perhaps even making your own, non-Holo focused numbers thread if you think that will be more fun.

>>54355742
That makes sense, since small corpos have lower numbers. Some numberfags like to track progression of smaller vtubers, but the focus will always be on the top dogs of the industry. That's just how it is, similar to how most people care about the top sports teams.

>>54355923
people like parrot and bannedtvmemes are good since they are against /#/. I dont honestly care if the board goes to shit as long as those fags get run out of the board

>>54353144
This is definitely a coping ENfag. Live viewers for streaming is the king of metrics and always will be. Don't make excuses for the lazy whores reclining, if they're doing their jobs right their viewership will increase. You can sell Gura nendoroids just fine even if you shit can her because it has nothing to do with her abilities as an entertainer and everything to do with her character design.

>>54355974
>If you want it to change, you will have to participate
nah whenever i go there i just only shit on the thread since they always make fun of my livers whenever i try to start a conversation about them. That thread is irredeemable at this point

>>54356081
This is definitely an 80 IQ /#/fag

>>54355974
Anon, your argument isn't even a good one
>yeah we make up shit while claiming to be unbiased but it's only because we're eops and not everyone does its just the majority of the people in there
And no, I will not be starting up a thread to "counter" or whatever /#/s. What I will do is apply for janny next time it opens so I can continually nuke the worst thread on the board until I'm eventually removed from my position

>>54356085
>livers
why do nijifags say this, it makes everyone laugh at you

>>54355851
That's just 4chan in general though. Unless you can filter out the stuff you don't enjoy, you're in for a rough time. I've been here for a long time so I'm used to it.

>>54355872
That's mostly tourists who use the numbers posted at /#/ as ammo for trolling. If you actually ask the regulars at /#/, they have little interest in going into the catalog themselves.

>>54356085
Well, then you can't really complain that the thread is shit if you're actively contributing to it.

>>54356128
retard

>>54356099
Cope and seethe shitter. Go watch your whores instead.

>>54356137
You are visiting the numberfag thread for "industry discussion" when it's 99% petty tribalism

>>54355837
>Hololive fans should realize that the Vtuber world doesnt revolve around them
In the west? It does, this is literally a Holoboard, 80% of the posts in this board are about Hololive

>>54356162
You will never be white or japanese

>>54351159
I would endure pajeets in my family reunions if it meant Noor was my wife

>>54356099
Turning your brain off and mindlessly consooming whatever Kronii decides to spurt out of her fetid colon that day hardly makes you high IQ my fine EN fag. You are the kind of person who watches shit dubs because you're a secondary faggot, you shit up anime with your kind and you're shitting up vtubing with your retard "Just be le wholesome chungus guyz" bullshit that leaves the door open for bad actors like Mori.

>>54356198
/vt/ is astroturfed by cover and its employees in order to generate fake hype due no waning interest in them.

>>54356123
That is an oversimplification of my position, but you're free to believe what you want.
I doubt your plan will pan out. Even if you were allowed to continually nuke the thread, all it would cause is the usual suspects to go to other threads. You can think of it as a containment thread if it makes you feel better.

>>54356166
Yes. Do you know of any better alternatives?

>>54356232
That's a lot of projection

>>54353294
Its a bit refreshing how much power the customer have in this scenario. So long as we believe they are taking care of their talent, we will praise and buy mostly anything, but the moment they start to parade a corpse around all of that support vanishes.

>>54356253
This is literally phasecancers and jewshills projection

>>54356137
>Well, then you can't really complain that the thread is shit if you're actively contributing to it.
The faster that general dies the better /vt/ will be for everyone especially for people who are not interested in hololive.

>>54352211
They totally should, it's 100% their IP, assets, and market, and the whores behind the mask have shown how little of a fan base they can gather without the hololive magic

>>54356277
>Do you know of any better alternatives?
No, but you're still pretending the thread is something completely different to what it actually is, and it's not like they know any more about business than any other posters on the board

>>54356277
A ton other non hololive generals are better alternatives since they actually discuss streams events and company projects. All hololive generals just talk about memes and how to shit up the board.

>Homobeggars hate /#/
>Globalfags hate /#/
>Nijicucks hate /#/
>Phasecucks hate /#/
Are you guys trying to convince me they're the bad guys because all I see is that they make all the right people seethe

>>54355194
Every shareholder gets to reserve a day with Mel in the broom closet

>>54351957
What's ROI?

>>54356406
Who are the good people in your books

>>54356137
I have a suspicion you’ve indoctrinated yourself into a thread that spends the majority of its time shitflinging and screaming about random bullshit, and convinced yourself it’s “tourists” when it’s actually the people who post in the thread regularly
Re-evaluate who the people you’re posting with really are, man

>>54356406
HOLOTHREAD
HOLOBOARD
They will seethe about it

>>54356198
>80%
Demonstrably false. /hlgg/ already fell out of being a majority of the board's traffic in 2021, and almost every month we have a new indie or small corpo thread added to the board's roster. HL discussion as a whole is at best a plurality on this board in 2023.

>>54356414
return on investment

>>54356406
UniCHADS own this board

>>54356444
This
Even jidf and phase generals have faster discussion than /hlgg/

>>54356440
You're pretty much speaking with a cultist who can't even comprehend that he and his people are doing harm.

>>54356406
Are gypsies the good guys because every European hates them?

>>54356419
JPchads. The original fanbase and the only people who appreciate vtubing in it's purity. Everyone who watches anything other than HoloJP are whore lovers.

>>54356503
Yeah that thread is the number 1 cause of tribalism in the whole board and maybe even the whole industry. People should remember that the thread was the one who edited and made that fake all out war screenshot.

>>54356531
There's plenty of whores in JP

>>54356312
Ironically, further shitting up the thread is not going to kill it, just make it more popular. Threads only die when nobody cares anymore.

>>54356337
>No
Well there you have it. For the record, I fully concede that there's a lot of shitposting going on there, but the same goes for pretty much every popular thread on this board.

>>54356390
But they generally refuse to talk about numbers because they'd rather focus on comfortable topics like what your favorite vtuber did yesterday, etc. It's understandable, but also why they're not a good alternative for this topic.

>>54356198
Id say closer to 60% honestly. And ill also add that it's almost impossible to make a thread about Ame, Mori, Kiara, and Kronii without it being a general because/#/fags spam rrats from 2-3 years ago whenever you do.
If you like anyone from a smaller company and make a thread to talk about them you get spammed with
>Buy an ad
If you make a thread about anyone in nijisanji or vshojo and /#/fags immediately start screeching over it.

Literally the only reason why hololive maintains a semi majority on this board is because of the users of one thread who screech and ruin discussion about literally any other people

>>54356550
the JPs are all virgins with no interest in men

>>54356576
>I fully concede that there's a lot of shitposting going on there
You're denying the literal purpose of the thread
It's not shitposting, that is why the thread exists, to have their stupid horserace

>>54356277
/#/s contains the schizophrenic idiots like a colander retains water. Not very damn well.

>>54356588
Lamy's certainly not a virgin

>>54355892
Anon where do you think op`s post first originated?

>>54356576
Shitting up the thread means more and more people will leave it

>>54356531
>JPchads
>doesn't hate numbers
Do you really?

>>54356531
>JPchads
JPcucks

>>54353144
Been saying this forever: CCV does not measure an idol's true earning potential and some channel jumper isn't going to put money down like someone who subscribes and follows their oshi.

>>54356440
>>54356503
lol, it's cute that you think I don't know what I'm doing just because I'm being polite and defend something you don't like.
It's fine though, we're unlikely to find common ground and I accept that. Just felt like providing some non-troll responses for once.

>>54356611
Horse races are fun, what can I say? It shouldn't infringe on your enjoyment of the medium.

>>54356687
I don't think that's true, but you can believe so if you wish.

>>54356753
>Horse races are fun, what can I say?
So now you're changing your tune from "I'm just there for the industry discussion" and admitting you actually enjoy the tribalism

>>54356588

>>54353100
>Expand to Taiwan forcing Mainlander to buy Hololive Merch that have tag "Made in Taiwan"
KEK

>>54353638
I'm glad this was said.

>>54356406
The ones complaining about numbers are always those whose oshi has shit numbers

>>54356979
I watch the most popular vtubers and I fucking hate numberfags

>>54353144
>quote mentions "viewing times" a.k.a. watch hours
>speedreading ESLs immediately take it to mean "concurrent views" or "live viewers"
can you subhumans at least learn proper English and reading comprehension first before interacting on an English website?

>>54357024
Pekora would be ashamed of you

>>54356406
It's the best containment thread, most schizo got ban there.

>>54357056
Fauna would be ashamed of you.

>>54357056
Pekora is a narcissistic clown

>>54357070
Good I fucking hate Fauna the whore

>>54357073
And thats why we love her. Pekoras shameless numberfagging is her best trait

>>54357156
>t. Schizo nijinig from #

>>54357156
>Pekoras shameless numberfagging is her best trait
You only say that because you're a braindead numberfag and you don't even speak Japanese so you don't know anything else about her

>>54357045
>quote proceeds to mention content like “short clips”, “derivative works”, “licensing”, “tie-ups”, etc as things they actually care about
>in other words, things as far from CCV as possible
Maybe you should take a single second to think about what you’re reading yourself

>>54357228
You don't understand business communication
People don't say what they mean
If someone says "CCV is down" and they say "well yes what about shorts and licensing" that doesn't mean they don't actually care about CCV

>>54355339
i appreciate you respectful numberfag you are cool

>>54357228
You two are arguing the same thing. CCV is irrelevant.

>>54357251
It means it’s far from their top fucking priority and the be-all end-all measurement of success like /#/ loves to pretend it is

>>54351148
don't ever EVER work with india, SG here,
they are do shit, China if u go with the big names it's safe. india it's all pure garbage, think of it as china in the early days but 10x worst

>>54357228
Huh...It's all things that non-streamwatchers do to avoid actually watching streams and still pretend they're part of the fanbase. Interesting. Funny how being a clipwatching homobeggar suddenly becomes a good thing in the eyes of globalfags if they think they can score a point against /#/ with it.

>>54352001
>A: Rather than limiting ourselves to specific regions, global expansion is important.
I assume EN management didn't get the memo since EN3's debuts are at a shit time even for the east coast, let alone everywhere else on earth

"we are in the process of carving out our respective positions in the market and growing the industry as a whole, rather than competing directly against each other."

HoloTW, HoloES, HoloKR, HoloEU
Here we come. Hell, maybe even HoloIN.

>>54357311
Only people who regularly watch streams buy merch and concert tickets. Cover is well aware of that fact. Those things that Cover says are important are all downstream of having high live viewership, they don't exist apart from it. If Cover want to sell more merch they need to get more engagement from live viewers first, it's that simple.

>>54357384
>source: the voices in my head

>>54357383
Holosea when

All I can say is that I fucking metaverse as a word, meaningless tech buzzword that paints a picture of absolutely fucking nothing. Though if it makes the braindead amoeba IQ investors throw money at you then I guess pop off and spew your shit my dude

>>54354993
>Did not watch Protolive
Feedback from those who did watch it is that the experience is better than Youtube

>>54357440
HoloID already exists

>>54352211
kek feels like everytime they go "we appreciate your valuable feedback" it's just a nice way of saying "you're a fucking idiot"

>>54357383
Yagoo talked about expanding EN to cover more regions in an interview two entire years ago, and since then they've only got worse. If you don't live in PDT 60%+ of EN's content is unwatchable, and all of their new debuts are in the exact same late-PDT slot.

>>54357563
Because it is.

>>54357594
With EN3 and EN4, you'll see it spread in more hours.

>>54352611
Its a question of markets. The usual model is having them manufacture goods that you sell on, at which point the low salary is a selling point and money is going into those countries to pay for the manufacture.
vtubers have a different model - they are selling to the internal market, local fans watching and donating etc. This is where things get much more difficult, particularly in terms of China, since the money is now flowing outwards from the country. And the CCP don't like that.

>>54357594
The twins will stream in prime AU hours hopefully

>>54357563
Well yeah it pretty much is

>>54355900
Wrong they do have oshi. One of them is that single mother chuba who gets posted on /#/ eveytiime she streams

>>54354495
>one of the reasons /#/ care about CCV is because that's one of the few numbers we actually have access to.
No, we have whatever the fuck YT decides to throws at us
See picrel
Only reason for /#/ to care about CCV was because 2 years ago some retards decided to use that shit to shitpost against other companies and >we never go back since

>>54357679
>EN3
Having their debut collab end after 2AM on a Monday EDT isn't exactly the most inspiring start.

>EN4
A lot of people will simply be done with hololive by the time they arrive. The brand name can't carry them through 4+ years of barely any live content, most of those viewers are already gone.

>>54350788
A lot of the questions are filler, but here are some that might interest you guys.
> Q. As a company, what do you think about the future prospects of the VTubing market?
A. There is still room for the VTuber market to expand, and right now we are at the stage of expanding awareness among the general public. Rather than competition over the same spaces and niches, we believe that the industry as a whole will expand its market size while maintaining a certain degree of segregation.
> Q. As a company, what is your view the decline in viewing time and viewer numbers in the post-Corona period?
A. We have not set viewing time as a major KPI. Now that the Corona has passed, viewers' lifestyles have changed. Demand for content such as clips, other secondary works and short videos has increased. In addition, we are also seeing a growing demand for Live Events, Live Performances, and licensing/tie-ups.
We believe that our exposure is expanding, and it is not only limited to the content we provide.
> Q. What are your thoughts on future overseas expansion, such as in Chinese-speaking countries or places like India?
We believe it is important to expand globally, not just to specific regions. Other than debut of talents overseas (EN, ID, etc.), we are also localizing our content in multiple languages.
> Q. I would like to know the company's policy regarding new debuts.
In a recent financial results presentation, the company announced that it "plans to debut multiple new VTubers in Japan and overseas, with an eye to attracting a broader fan base. We plan to debut several new VTubers in Japan and overseas, with an eye to attracting a broader fan base.
We will continue to consider debuting new VTubers at a certain pace. Please wait for our announcements regarding the timing of their debut.
> Q. I would like to see the company actively engage in outside collaborations, etc., to cultivate new fanbases.
Currently, more and more of our talents are participating in competitions and events organized by outside organizations.
We will continue to actively incorporate activities that contribute to the activities of our production companies and talents, while respecting the policies and branding of each individual talent.
We will continue to respect the policies of each production company and talent, and will actively incorporate such activities.
> Q. I fear that the IPO will change the strength of Hololive Productions. I would like to know how you view the impact of this. Please tell us how you see this impact.
A. We do not believe that the IPO poses any material risks or changes to our content.
We will continue to develop new content and projects while leveraging our existing strengths, and we will continue to communicate the appeal of Hololive Productions to as many people as possible.
> Q. I understand management's POV regarding the "Fan Guideline" that was published recently, but I would like to know what the intention behind it was.
A. While the "Fan Guidelines" are intended to help fans enjoy the content in a pleasant manner, it's publishing was also partly a request from the company as well as the talents.
We believe that it is important to operate a healthy fan community, and we are working hard to create a better environment through moderation and customer support in our daily streams.
> Q. Please tell us your strategy to approach the younger generations.
A. We understand that as awareness of VTubers and hololive productions expands, the number of young teenage fans is also increasing. We are still increasing the number of short videos and other posts on social networking sites used by young people, and while we continue to optimize our content, we plan to debut talents at a steady pace to expand the customer base we can reach.
(contd...)

>>54355339
>Why are you so upset about people having fun trying to find trends with limited information?
Same reason people hate gun owners
Because sometime retards decide it'd be a good idea to shoot up a school instead of go to the range

>>54351852
Disney is the end result of what happens when you try to satisfy China and they start falling out of of love with you. Hollywood in general is feeling it. They made their own stuff and supported that instead.

>>54357915
> Q. Is your treatment of talent sufficient as of now?
A. We believe that our compensation structure is competitive enough for our company. We also believe that both companies and individuals have their advantages, but we also believe that the benefits of live performances, events, merchandising, and tie-ups can only be realized by being affiliated with a company.
In addition, talent is currently compensated not only for their distribution activities, but also from multiple revenue sources related to the aforementioned, and we will continue to improve our system so that we can flexibly respond to changes in the external environment.
> Q.The risk of talents retiring is likely to increase as a result of the talent's long-term activities. What measures does the company have in place to deal with this risk?
A. We believe that a talent's charm does not diminish over time, but that they can continue to work while their charm and activity style changes according to their stage. Naturally, our support system also needs to be tailored to the environment required by the talent's stage, and we will continue assessing this appropriately.
Although there is a risk of profit from the termination of a talent's activities, we are not dependent on a single talent, and we are able to diversify our profit. Currently, each talent is working while taking appropriate breaks, and the company supports the most appropriate activity style for each talent.
> Q. Do you provide lessons, education, and support for talent?
A. Information about this topic is confidential so I will refrain from answering in detail, but we do provide various lessons and training before the debut, and we also provide support during their activities, such as education and lessons, as needed.
> Q. What is the company's policy on how to deal with transgressions and violations from the talents themselves?
A. We will not address the opinions of individual talents, but we regularly conduct talent education for all talents, and will consider taking action - including harsh measures - if any violations are discovered.
> Q. I would like to know what the company is doing to manage the health of its VTubers.
A. The talent manager is always paying attention to the health condition of the talent, monitoring the distribution frequency and distribution time, sharing the information with the talent, and building a system that can encourages the talent to manage their health.
> Q. What is the company's position on staffing shortages at the new studio and delays in holding 3D lives and programs?
A. We apologize for any concern this issue may have caused to our fans and shareholders. We are currently working to realize 3D distribution and resolve equipment problems with the support of our partner companies. In addition, we are strengthening recruitment through large-scale recruiting sessions and securing outside contractors, and we are working to resolve the resource shortage by the end of this fiscal year.
> Q. I think it would be better to utilize dormant IPs for goods, etc. What do you think?
A. With retired IPs, it's difficult for the company to unilaterally make decisions about it, as the feelings of fans etc. have to be taken into consideration, but we will refer to this as a valuable opinion.
> Q. *Opinions about Random Merchandise and Blue Journey*
A. Thank you for your valuable opinion.
kek they didn't even bother typing up that huge schizo rant.
> Q. What are your thoughts on the introduction of NFT and Web3 technologies?
A. We are not considering these technologies as of now. However, we are constantly learning and testing new technologies and will not rule out any possibilities for the future.
> Q. Is there a possibility of supporting low spec PCs in order to widen the reach of the Holo-Earth project?
We are planning to start our deployment with PCs, but we are also planning to support mobile devices so that a lot more people will be able to use the system.
> Q. What do you think about setting up a shareholder-only real events?
A. We will consider this in the future.
lol that guy really went for it.
> Q. Do you have any ideas on how to encourage foreign investors to purchase shares?
A. IR materials are disclosed in Japanese and English for all investors.
For overseas investors, who are able to purchase shares through securities companies that handle Japanese stocks, we disclose IR materials in Japanese and English as reference materials. We are also actively meeting with overseas investors, especially institutional investors.

>>54356531
>JPchads.
Should focus on revive that dead fucking board first before talk shit about other people

>>54357968
>shareholder-only real events
the real wake up call. it's over

>>54358013
Jesas

>>54358050
Yea but
>A. We will consider this in the future.
Is suit speak for Shut up moron.

>>54357968
>shareholder-only real events
Kek please investor oji-sans think about the unicorns!

>>54358013
>/#/ brainrot but with 4chan imageboards
/jp/ likes their slow board newfag tourist

>>54353144
viewing times = watch time, a retarded miscalculated metric that only works for twitch as it does ccv*time, but the youtube ccv is culled and they get a lot of vod viewers which are not counted. They are right in not caring about that shit

>>54357968
>shareholder-only real events
Hey I remember a doujin about exactly this. Wonder if the shareholder guy was inspired by it as well.

>>54356687
You complain about a thread that is plagued with shitposters and you think that adding one more shitposter (You) will make them leave? Fix your logic and reasoning it is broken.

>>54357900
2AM EDT is 10PM PDT. I agree it could be a couple hours earlier, but 2AM won't be a problem for East coast fans.

They already started auditions for EN4. If checked the links for both announcements, they go to separate audition forms.

>>54358149
Sounds like cope lmao

>>54353573
>Cut off Stars altogether
>Doesn't do males anymore
>Debuts only girls every year
>Profit
In fact, they could've earn more had EN3 and JP 7 debuted last year instead of uproar and Tempus.

>>54354495
If we're talking about what directly supports the company, I'm pretty sure paid membership, merchandise sales matter more than who shows up on a stream. We've had hints of financial straits where you think they might be okay but maybe they are living on the margins. Kiara bitching about yen conversion, Krouni shilling hard her birthday merch, Mori shilling the concert blu-rays. This is also why superchats matter little since if it was a huge chunk of their income, they tell their talents to do more of it with long hours of super chat readings. Even the top talents can get $1m in merch sales off 1 item so begging for a few bucks seems backwards to most of them. They appreciate the tip of course but it's not where their bulk income lies.

>>54358213
yea cope that fast boards are better in quality

>>54358013
>Haha redditors don't spam your thread with retarded shit on cooldown! OWNED

>>54358273
>haha we don't actually use our board to discuss stuff, we hide out in our discords instead

Why does SNW make all the transporter chiefs asian?

>>54355664
How about the botted views of streams caught as well as the recent Mysta MV? You telling me those look organic to anyone? Baseball is popular but those other stuff. Also, who cares how long people watch someone. You do know that Twitch is terrible when it comes to ad revenue compared to youtube. We got the twitch leaks to prove that.

>>54358203
Dedicated fans might be willing to stay up late to watch, but that's not who they need to appeal to. They need new fans, tourists, and people in other regions to grow. A new gen is their best opportunity to get them, and they've just dumped it in the slot where they already have the most attention.

Look at EU. HoloJP actually had more viewers from there than from NA when EN debuted (according to the 2020 Cover sponsor deck). It's a huge market for weebs and for Twitch. Ina streamed at 9-10PM EU and got 10K viewers every day. After she stopped, there were complaints for a few months, but those dried up, and the prevailing opinion you see now is that people there have no reason to care about hololive. They pissed away that market and if they wanted to get back into it they'd have to effectively go into it acting like a new agency.

>>54352775
Is that why Nene's manager was pressuring her to play it?

>>54350788
why are a lot of these the same questions as the first one?

>>54358387
>haha we don't actually use our board to discuss stuff
Actually we do. That's why it's slow because it's actual discussion about Hololive and not 300 brown SEAfags spamming reddit memes on cooldown

>>54356329
Idiot, it's not worth it. That would be the same level as replacing the chubba and if you aren't a newfag you now what a mere rumour of that would cause. It's litteraly signing for delayed bankcrupt. Too much reputational damage to even be worth it short term.

>>54358416
oh shit this was meant for /tv/

>>54353485
>it wouldn't be like Nijisanji
>we would just disband the ID branch
That's literally what Nijisanji did, though.

>>54358416
>>54358795
Dylexia anon...

>>54352775
The only moron here is apparently you because you did not understood the point of HOLIZONTAL. Whether you watch them play VALORANT doesn't matter because you are not the customer, the customer are the suits in RIOT Games who will pay Cover big wads of cash to play VALORANT.

>>54358755
Funny I seem to recall the nijikeks in the nijisanji thread saying something similar back then. Oh how the turntables

>>54350788
Judging by the stock price, shareholders weren't impressed.

>>54358670
You do know that you can watch VODs later?
I live in the East coast and gotten used to late streams.
Cover understands what times will get the most viewers than you and I. Probably lose less streamers with it being late in the East, than too early in the West. Gura did her membership later than her usual time and many in chat was wishing it was her normal time. Like already said, EN3 and EN4 will spread the hours out. Kiara does EU hours, and will have more when HoloEU comes.

>>54359025
>Oh how the turntables
It didn't. Holokeks keep spamming trash from their favorite reddit with their brown hands since then.
You are the only group of people of this entire website who doesn't despise reddit faggotry and worships it instead.

>>54351068
>indian
they already have irys

>>54359078
>You do know that you can watch VODs later?
They're simply not the same, there's no interactivity. That's the whole reason live streaming became more popular than edited videos, and why you see so many complaints about dead hours despite there being more hours of VODs than anyone could physically watch already.

>Cover understands what times will get the most viewers than you and I.
Them focusing on the times they're already strongest is the whole problem. They're supposed to be a growing global branch, they should be optimizing for attracting new viewers and not making sure debuts get the most CCV from the ones they already have. I think they have some manager who's obsessed with the wrong KPIs.

>Kiara does EU hours
More than half of Kiara's streams are at 3PM or earlier, nobody with a job can watch her.

>when HoloEU comes
This would be an extremely retarded idea, unless you just mean an EN gen full of euros, which this late in the game would also be pretty questionable.

>>54359187
And the nijinigger reveals himself at last

>>54359344
NIJITHREAD
NIJIBOARD
NIJIWEBSITE
Go to your reddit, tranny

>>54353485
>/#/ aren't behaving like nijinigger because they hate niji!! because le black company
>but also /#/ want Cover to shut down underperfoming branch and talent because it will make hololive profitable
wow, that sure show people you faggot are different from nijinigger.
>>54353144
CCV aren't relevant most of the time, yes CCV can be good indicator how engaging streamer are and show how active their fanbase is but in grand scheme of thing it's not end-all metric, what matter is the streamer revenue/profit they get from streaming. there's plenty of streamer who get decent income by being 3view, hell you can even get a lot of sponsorship by being 3view. Plenty of my fav streamer are full time streamer as their career for a long time, and they're 3view and sub 4view.
>>54355339
>uwaa it just hobby dude, no need to be so serius haha
you are the one who take this hobby seriously.
your ilk is just tribalfaggotry and antis at its core. you nigger love to shit up the board with your numbefaggotry and use that to shit many chuuba that's not hololive.
you fucker wonder why your thread get so many shitposter and whole board fucking hate your guts. You did this yourself.

I know a guy who owns Cover stock. He lives in Chiba.
I own it by proxy just so I can say I own Cover stock, to be honest. I don't give a fuck aboutnits prospects.
I also owned Anykara stock. I shorted a long time ago, though. Made a little money.

Anyways, you fags are obviously blinded by your fandom. You aren't thinking correctly. Some of these are legitimate imo.

First of all, Cover has a huge leverage over profit sharing. They make enough money to offer smaller and smaller contracts. These chuubas are literally blessed by Cover's rabid fanbase. They would definitely agree to smaller shares. It's not like they would unionize of some kind of bullshit like that.

Second, why would selling merch of graduated or terminated chuubas be bad? I don't understand why that logic is specious. They own it, they should continue to sell it. Period.

>>54356951
Coco lost.

>>54359410
lol

>>54359432
Holy kek, Holokeks on suicide alert now

>>54359396
Then wheres your sticky?

>>54355585
lmao the fucking cope.
when there's chuuba that has good number than holo you faggot will crying
>its bot!
>twitch/non-youtube platform? IT DOESNT COUNT!!
>some chuuba get sub boost from shorts? IT DOESNT COUNT, STILL FLOP
just admit dude, your thread never been honest and neutral about shit.

>>54359078
>I live in the East coast and gotten used to late streams.
Yeah, because they're not at 2AM for you.
I watch vods too, but there's no denying that being there live is a much better and more exciting experience.
>company knows best
Sometimes they don't. Shocking, I know. Once you grow up you'll come to understand that adults make mistakes sometimes too. (Yes, even groups of them.)
>HoloEU
Never going to happen. They'll be in HoloEN if they ever hire more euros.

>>54359431
HOLOCOPE
>HOLOCOPE
HOLOCOPE
>HOLOCOPE

>>54355802
people will tolerate numberfag if only they dont bring their shit into catalog or shitting other general just because some people oshi have shit number.

>>54359326
>Them focusing on the times they're already strongest is the whole problem.
It's the correct choice for a debut.
>They're supposed to be a growing global branch
Maybe some will stream in EU hours, but honestly don't see high numbers from there. Kiara gets better numbers during US hours.

"We are in the process of carving out our respective positions in the market and growing the industry as a whole, rather than competing directly against each other."
EU is not forgotten, their planned expansion will get there.

>>54359566
Are you newfag or something? There been plenty of stickies already, even for irrelevant events that barely got over 1k posts, which made holokeks seethe real hard.

Determining success between individual vtubers because you are under the interpretation on what success is and that all are under the same conditions for it. I think the proverb goes, "A clever hawk hides its claws." What you may gleam from the surface may only be a fraction of their true worth. Amouranth is example of this because after the twitch leak, they though that was where a bulk of her money came from but nope. She revealed that she makes more on onlyfans easily. You may think you know whose the actually top dog but only the talent and the company they are working for will ever know that information unless someone leaks it.

>>54359299
>irys
why? whats the lore

>>54357915
>A. While the "Fan Guidelines" are intended to help fans enjoy the content in a pleasant manner, it's publishing was also partly a request from the company as well as the talents.
So, which talent was getting harassed and needed this out there?

>>54351068
yeah vtubers will never pop off in india lol talking to a friends there sure anime is popping off but its still seen as something retarded and man i cant even imagine the reactions when they see what vtubers are.

>>54352211
>>54351596
>Investors trying to suck out Cover's soul
The reason why most fans love Hololive as a whole is because they treat the girls well and Yagoo's saviorfag tendency

>>54359642
>barely got over 1k posts
lol, newfag doesn't know

>>54359643
>never invest in europe
>"why don't we do well in europe?"
Every time

>>54353485
>Hate Blacksanji
>Act like Blacksanji

>>54359653
We can still have fun speculating.
>NOOO, YOU MUST GIVE UP! THERE SIMPLY ISNT ENOUGH INFORMATION, PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!!! ;____;

>>54359711
I'm guessing someone in JP, but if anyone in EN it would be Kronii for sure. (Well, if she could be bothered.)

>>54359869
Calm down. They probably looked at Kiara's numbers and said, we'll do that later. Our present EN base is about to riot with no EN3.
Be grateful that Cover is not like Anycolor. They will expand when ready. The new studio is built and now is ready for the world. It will come sooner than you think.

>>54354319
The majority of shares is held by members of Cover.

>>54350788
Stop making threads about this goddamn forced meme piece of shit. Fuck off

>>54359872
you're not convincing anyone to blindly follow your samethink bruv

>>54359431
Who will you sell it to? To the fans who hate you because you terminated their chuba? Why would I give you money when I know non of it will go to my oshi?
Why are you retarded?

>>54350788
I don't really know much about business stuff but is it possible for shareholders to be able to oust yagoo in the future because he did something that made them less money? That's what I'm most afraid of.

>>54353144
What the fuck does viewing time have to do with CCV? Why are anti-numberfags even more retarded than the numberfags?

>>54360013
I'm calm, just a bit dejected that Cover never gives us any love.
And their "present EN base" also includes Europe. We watch a lot of vods over here. It would be shame if they squandered it and forced us to consider non-Holo alternatives just because they can't get the lead out. I think we've been fairly patient so far.

>>54359872
always funny to see numbermonkey prop Cover as White Company unlike Kurosanji yet at same time this nigger also want Cover to behave like Kurosanji by shut down underperformer. Truly cognitive dissonance they show there.

>>54360185
Just going to have to wait. If EU gave great numbers it would be a priority.
It's not Cover telling what hours HoloEN should stream, it's the talents themselves. Convince the girls.

>>54352719
Do pajeets even watch anime?

>>54360298
>If EU gave great numbers
Refer to my previous post. Can't expect great numbers without ever investing. If other corpos can make EU work, why can't Cover?
>It's not Cover telling what hours HoloEN should stream
Talents have been instructed to move closer to PST primetime by their managers. (The reason was not disclosed.)
Also, if they hired someone closer to the timezone, the girls would automatically be more inclined to stream in that timeframe.

>>54360013
>>54360298
I always see people use this argument ("EU doesn't give numbers", usually coupled with "Kiara gets bad numbers"), but it purposefully ignores that:
>Ina previously streamed in one of the most complained about time slots (9-10PM CET) and had some of the highest viewership in the branch
>It's the most watched time of day on Twitch
>Europe is the largest overseas market for JP media
>Europe watched more HoloJP than NA did before the EN branch existed (according to Cover's sponsor deck)
>Kiara doesn't even fucking stream in EU primetime

Fact is, those hours worked for Cover before. They work for everyone else now. If Cover doesn't have an audience there, that's because of Cover.

/#/ should be banned from the board, it isn't because mods = fags

>>54360077
NIJISEETHE

>>54360647
>wah wah please ban what I don't like
Reddit might be more your style

>>54358013
>>54358090
>>54358213
>>54358387
>>54359025
>>54359344
>>54359566

>>54360536
>It's the most watched time of day on Twitch
Yeah because the most watched people on twitch are spic streamers

>>54360768
>Reddit might be more your style if you don't like the tread that is pure reddit

>>54360816
>pure reddit is being able to talk about whatever you want
Wtf I love reddit now?

>>54360506
EN3 and EN4 are not all going to stream during PST primetime. Just like in JP, the more members the more spread out their streaming times.
>Talents have been instructed to move closer to PST primetime by their managers.
Source?
HoloEn really does seem to stream whenever they want, lacking any coordination like other branches.

>>54360790
r*dditbronies btfo

>>54360536
Judging by his statement that he's fine with staying up to 2AM, it seems likely he's either young or a NEET who has never worked for a corporation before, and therefore does not realize that mistakes happen all the time. It's like when Microsoft introduced the Kinect, and fans thought it wasn't possible for them to lose market share after the success of 360.
Fact is that Cover is a japanese company, and while they have many admirable qualities, they can be slow on the uptake sometimes. The EU market is ripe for the picking, but because of conservative business strategies, they'll instead wait until it's too late and then fall for confirmation bias that EU wasn't a good pick after all. It's frustrating, because I'd love to give them my money, but they just refuse to give me the opportunity.
Well, we'll see with EN3. I don't have much hope, but if one of the girls stream at least at EST hours, it would be an improvement. (Otherwise I'm seriously considering going with a smaller corpo moving forward.)

>>54360146
No. Yagoo and his acquaintances still hold large majority of shares. Depends on situations, shareholders might be able to influence the company’s decision to some extents, but they aren’t kicking Yagoo off without some serious betrayal from inside

>>54360816
Reddit hates numbers. They're more of a hugbox.

>>54355752
That would’ve been true a few years ago but holy shit dude, Hololive IS popular in Japan and Nijisanji is becoming less relevant over time but of course still has its popularity. Nice try slipping into the discussion about /#/ tribalists when you are very clearly one of them

>>54360964
Who is this competition that is going snatch up EU before Hololive?
ES, KR, TW are ripe for the picking too. Give them some time. Cover has a great track record.

>>54355752
Did you spend the last four years in a coma lol?

>>54351180
what boom lmao, their growth is dominated by IT sector outsourcing. IT sector employs so few people, India is on its way to be America but dozens of times worse. A few people lucky enough working in IT would be rich af but the majority will be unemployed.
And their IT sector will lose its competitiveness once their wage getting higher. They may grow 7% annually now, but in a few years it will be down to 2-3% again, just like what always happens since their independence.

At this point Indonesia has a better chance to be rich, the economic reforms done in recent years were way more significant. Choosing the ID over any other market was a correct move, though maybe a little too early.

>>54360890
>EN3 and EN4 are not all going to stream during PST primetime.
I see no reason to believe this. At best one of them might stream in JP primetime instead, which hardly changes anything. Their debuts are the latest EN has ever had them and we know management advises them all to stream later now.

>Source?
The homos. Two of them directly said they were told they had to stream at late PDT. After arguing about it they got a compromise that they could stream in euro dead hours if, and only if, they also streamed during late PDT.

>>54361020
>a few years ago
this is what hanging around /#/ gets you. Niji just had their best year in 2022 and they're still growing. Why do you insist on hanging around that thread that's been trying to downplay niji's success like koshien for years

>>54360995
>Reddit hates numbers.
Now that's a nice cope! Exquisite!
It explains why every reddit-adjacent vtuber cringe twittertard is a tribalfag as well.

>>54360890
>EN3 and EN4 are not all going to stream during PST primetime
Believe me, I hope you're right.
>Source?
I don't have timestamps, but Ina was told to stream closer to PST instead of during the day (like another poster said), and more recently Vesper said that management wanted him to stream PST while he prefers mornings. (Which is primetime EU.)
>HoloEn really does seem to stream whenever they want
It's all centered around PST if you actually look at schedules. The one outlier is Kiara of course. Even Bae and Irys caters to PST.
Usually things are busy between 3pm and 10pm PST. Then the rest of the day is dead hours.

>>54359653
fucking this.
This is also applied to many chuuba that ''appear'' to be underperforming, flop and low-tier numberwise.
Many corpo chuuba has many source of revenue, not just SC or merch.
My oshi for example were 3view most of the time and her subscriber is around 50k-ish.
yet, she can travel to different countries and whaling in gacha from her vtubing income alone.
Another thing, numberfags seems to think maintaining vtuber is expensive while it's extremely cheap,
there's dozen small-mid corpo surviving and thriving despite having low number, I say this before but as long chuuba can get dedicated paypigs they're set for life.
it just funny seeing them calling other corpo/branches/talent as a waste of money or giving company a red while they don't know shit about maintaining chuuba in corpo kek.

>>54361053
Have you been paying attention to the market at all? Several smaller corpos have taken root, like Idolcorp and Phase. Twitch indies also get lot of traffic during EU hours. They may not be titans like Cover by themselves, but that doesn't really matter if viewers get picked up and invested.
Yes, other areas could be suitable too, except that it would require new branches because of the language barrier, whereas everyone in Europe already knows english. (And have a lot of disposable income by comparison.) The reason this is the time to strike EU is that they already have thousands of fans already invested in existing HoloEN talents. The longer time goes on and alternatives pop up, the more of those viewers they are going to lose.
Dunno why you think Cover can do no wrong. I think they're often smart, but that does not make them incapable of making mistakes.

>>54361166
>Niji just had their best year in 2022 and they're still growing
Is that why they have their biggest surge of graduations yet?

>>54361191
I don't really understand what you're trying to say, but feel free to check reddit yourself if you're so sure they love numberfagging.

>>54361451
Kinda funny that you mention that now is the right time to strike in EU when EU vtubers themselves focus on the NA market and would rather go to NA events since even they realize that its a dead market.

>>54361140
You are really stretching it. They truly are separate branches and management. And attract different audiences.

I'll do some stretching too. Cover is waiting for EU to get their shit together. Runaway inflation and energy prices. Not willing to negotiate peace and end the war in Ukraine. With it being prolonged, it will only get worse. And it seems they are in it for the long haul. Can't even drive down the street without it being blocked by protestors. While the immigrants cause month-long riots. Their economy is on the verge of collapse. It's as if the govt is purposely allowing this to happen. It's not in the best interest of any company to invest in EU for now.

>>54361514
Why would you bother lying about this?

>>54361518
Ah, I see, you got lost and stumbled in here from /pol/ and have no idea what you're actually talking about

>>54361481
>pivoting to a useless metric
yeah you're a true born /#/igger. Anyway all your bragging about nijikoshien not beating gura/peko's outfit reveal got wiped last year. Your shitty thread even has numberfag sites so you can drink straight from the tap and see the top 10 are full of nijis

>>54361584
>the number of talents leaving your company is a useless metric
The absolute state of nijiniggers

>>54361518
Just look at the schedules. Do you think it mere coincidence that everyone streams the same hours? Are you dense?
>Cover is waiting for EU to get their shit together
Okay, so you're just a stereotypical burger looking to dunk on Europe because it makes you feel smug. Glad we got that sorted out.

>>54361610
>literally not even ccv, a metric that /#/morons decided was the most important metric even though they constantly play ccv/vods/superchat whack-a-mole to whatever holo is winning in
the absolute state of /#/monkeys

>>54361728
Please keep boasting about how much money your ceo is making while your talents are leaving in droves anon, that will certainly make your company look good

>>54361583
My lame excuse is better than yours.
>Everyone is going to stream during the same hours because Cover is making them to do so.
>Several smaller corpos have taken root, like Idolcorp and Phase.
Seriously. Their growth is horrifying.

But I am serious that during these economic times, companies are choosing the more safe routes. Expansion is riskier than ever.

>>54361510
>I don't really understand what you're trying to say
I'm saying that holobronies are those rabid tribalfags in the first palce.

>>54361823
i'm sorry that you've consumed so much female media that the estrogen is shrinking your dick and you get mad over the pettiest things but it was your kind in that garbage thread that decided that metric. non-holos are playing the game by your rules and still winning

>>54361854
holoEN currently has their worst numbers ever and they're trending downwards, despite all the positive news they've had lately (finally getting 3D, the EN concert, etc). I wouldn't say continuing with business as usual is safe, they need a shake-up, and I don't think throwing 4 more streams into 8-10PM PDT or 8-10PM JST is going to do anything for them.

>>54362009
They would have worse hours during EU times

>>54362048
There's no actual evidence to support this. The only time they ever had streams during (late) EU primetime was Ina back in 2020-21, and she was the second best performing member of the branch.

>>54355339
>Dude, it's a hobby. Why are you so upset about people having fun trying to find trends with limited information? That's all /#/ truly is, if you look past the shitposting and tourists.
Comachama....where have you been since 2022? It has been gradually going downhill
I can see what you are talking about since I used to visit /#/ almost everyday mainly for news and the live horse racing, but the /#/ you're talking about has become the central of
>Dramafagging
>Tribalfagging
>Shit posting
>Containment breaking
>Tourists
>Newfags
With the status quo of /#/ I would rather read isekaishit
Speaking of numbers, is this fag in pic related still around? I'm still waiting www

>>54361927
>please ignore our talents leaving in droves and focus on how much ccv they have
No

>>54355837
Holy shit you are a LITERAL embodiment of this comic.

>>54362098
Just as there is no evidence that supports Cover forcing Ina to change hours.
Could it be possible that Ina chose to do so herself, due to health reasons?

>>54362200
>please use my metric that didn't use before 2022 because the ones I decided show that niji is doing fine/great
pathetic

>>54360104
Nigger, a lot of people shit on blacksanji for shutting down ID because of their shit numbers
Now you want Hololive to follow that?
You can fuck off to Blacksanji if you want that

>>54362009
>holoEN currently has their worst numbers ever and they're trending downwards
Why do you lie?

>>54356500
I'll take things that never happened for 500 Alex, all of those threads have a lower discussion rate than this fucking thread

>>54362231
pretty sure hololive are the invaders in this hobby. They came in late, 2020 instead of 2015, and don't watch vtubers but insist their idolshit culture company is the correct way.

>>54358013
JPchads are busy watching streams instead of shitposting
Please andastand

>>54362382
And you who came in during 2022

>>54362275
Ina moved later on her own, the obvious shift where official content all moved to late PDT and people started moving their streams later was in late 2021. I agree that we can't conclusively say that was due to management yet, we'll see whether EN3 follows the homos' schedule.

>>54362316
Okay, they're up 13% from their worst numbers ever and down 46% from their peak, trending down over both the last calendar year and the last 6 months. Happy?