/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>5389315
soon, all will kneel before the true King of Vtubing, Gura

>>5389315
Gura is the storm that is approaching and soon even the oyabun will know true fear and kneel before Gura.

>>5389315
it's kinda fucked she's been around 50K away from 3 million for so long now and she still can't make it

>>5389315
Oh yeah......Numbers........
Gura is the best.

>>5389315
You just know some retarded chumbuds are going to go to Kizuna Ai's next stream and start shit.

>>5389775
brings to mind the image of dark overlord Gura, sitting on the Iron Throne and sulking as she holds Yagoo's battered skull in her hand

>>5389315
Isn't this whole thing pointless and self-defeating? Despite her numbers, Kizuna's popularity has evaporated, proving that these numbers are effectively meaningless and not indicative of anything.

>>5389864
I would love see it

>>5389315
What's her secret?!

>>5389315
Kizuna is pretty much dead and there isn't any hope left

>>5389935
Her popularity in youtube may have evaporated but she has bloomed in the Japanese mainstream media. That's the reason why she does not upload frequently in youtube like she did before. She is very busy nowadays with taking part in japanese talkshows and commercials

>>5389935
It's a great thing for cover when they are securing deals. It's a great thing for numberfags who like to brag and shitpost.

Nobody knows Gura's exact feelings about it, but if you watch her, then you can get a good guess about how she feels about her popularity

>>5389935
And even once Gura overtakes her she will be nowhere near as legendary as Kuzina Ai. Numbers are meaningless.

>>5389935
The thing is Gura's is 100% focused on Youtube. While Kizune isn't. She's doing way more shit, just not on youtube. Japanese shows, asian media etc. She tested both waters and found more success on the asian medias than on Youtube.

>>5390429
Cope

>>5389315
Wrong, faggot. Soda is already at 3 million.

>>5390504
Yep. I found out about this a while ago and it put a smile on my face because I love Kizuna and didn't expect her to do something with the Gaki gang. I miss watching them and discussing their content on /jp/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n07Sek48GM4

>>5390518
>10 years for 3 million
Graduation when?

>>5390518

Can't she turn off subbing? I would if I were her.

You just know her fans are going to shit up Kizuna's chat like they did FBK's chat.

Fuck gura

Kizuna has been dead for years, not sure how celebrating on a corpse is an achievement.
>Facebook is doing better than Myspace, in your face!

>>5390741
I plan on it.

>>5389315
The real question is if Ai will even acknowledge Gura's achievement, like a good senpai would, or will her ties to chink companies prevent her from doing so?

>>5390741
Yes.

>>5390773
If her youtube is dead she should be honest with her fans and delete it. It's the right thing to do.

likely scenario
>fans act like shits
>Japanese see this as disrespectful to AI
>no respect for elders, etc
it happened with Fubuki too.

>>5390825
Gurafags act like fucking subhumans of course they will do some shit like this

>>5389863
>>5390702
>>5390825
>>5392387
why are falseflaggers like this? what do they have against Gura if numbers are meaningless?

>>5392387
I just wish Gura had the balls to at least tell her fans to stop doing that kind of bullshit

>>5389315

>>5389971
That's often theorised but never conclusively proven.
Personally I think it's cunny

>>5389971
took "just be yourself" seriously

>>5392675
She secretly enjoy it that her fanbase acts like cancer since she's an arrogant numberwhore

>>5390429
?
She was the first, but that definitely makes her closer to Chuck Berry than Elvis.

>>5392899
gura hates numbers, collabs with literal whos out of either imposter syndrome or savior fagging, if she wanted numbers and did tactical collabs from the start of the year she would be 3.5 million plus already.

>>5392955
If she didn't care about numbers she wouldn't be manipulating the youtube algorithm as hard as she does

>>5392998
Meds

>>5390518
Pewdiepie

>>5392998
why aren't other chuubas manipulating the youtube algorithm as hard as her?

>>5393110
They don't know how

>>5389315
Even Peko is on track to mogging her, she's already lost.
>>5389935
Eh, the same could be said for Gura. Kizuna definitely reclined, but she has tons of merchandise, numerous collabs, sponsorships, TV and magazines interviews, is the first person people associate with Vtubing, etc. Meanwhile, Gura has almost none of that.

>>5392675
>>5392899
>>5392998
take your meds

>>5389863
Why would we do that when the hag is already having a slow death on youtube?

>>5389315
Fuck you Op, try to bait us as much as you want but we'll still make sure Gura has the best birthday ever

>>5393653
Stop crying already cumshart

>>5389863
>You just know some retarded chumbuds are going to go to Kizuna Ai's next stream and start shit.
To be fair, that would be like digging up a dead body and then pretending to argue with it. There’s just no point.

>>5392633
Fubuki had to apologize after sharkfags raided her chat to celebrate her being passed. She literally said "I appreciate everyone who supports me", and didn't even reprimand the faggots spamming.

She's too nice.

>>5394087
>moralfagging
Congratulations

I can go to the store and buy things, a corpse can't. Is this worth celebrating? I mean, in pro sports you celebrate beating your rival at their best. This is basically beating a retired person.

>>5394199
Moralfagging? It's called being a normal human being not some retard obsessed with sub counts. You wouldn't have a Gura without Fubuki or Sora. Do her fans care? No.

>>5394087
To be fair, most of those guys are Gura's previous fandom. She left everything behind and restart everything over for a good. I think debuffing herself really forced those guys to leave

>>5394261
Fubuki's fault for being weak

I'm gonna spam Ai about Gura becoming the new #1 and you can't stop me

>>5394415
Weak? Show the bare fucking minimum amount of decency and don't act like a retard in other chatrooms. Just pretend FBK doesn't exist, don't raid her chat to shit on her.

>>5390702
>HoloEN, was always a mistake

>>5394439
Can you stop reply to yourself

>>5394466

>>5390504
She explained it on one of her videos in the past how youtube is barely profitable, that's why she branch outside of it and has been inclined hard since then. I mean this girl is just racking all the first trophies out there

>>5394261
>It's called being a normal human being
Actually it’s called generalizing an entire group of people you dislike while pretending to be moral.

>>5392939
More like Gura is B'z and Kizuna is the backstreet boys.
One has former more sales but the latter is way more recognisable to the average person.

Gura's popularity is only in her very isolated bubble, while Kizuna AI is literally the most well-known Vtuber to exist.

>>5394594
I didn't see Pekora's chat shit on FBK when she passed her, weird huh?

>>5390788
Who is gura for her to congratulate her? They dont even know each other

>>5394431
BASED cumbud

>>5394439
>I plea for decency sir, oh and sharkfags suck

Ai is and always will be my 2nd favorite vtuber. Congrats sharkfriends.

>>5394635
>I didn't see Pekora's chat…
Stop moralfagging. Who cares.

>>5394744
Who cares? The entire point here is how some fanbases are shitty and others are more respectful.
>durr it's ok to act like an asshole
grow up

>>5392675
>>5392899
>>5392998
>>5394415
“He who controls the spice controls the universe"
Princess Irulan - Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib

“He who controls the shark's cunny controls the chumcuks"
j*y

>>5394641
Her recognizing the new queen would be nice and show she isn't butthurt.

>>5389315
Hololive is a mistake

>>5389315
Ai's already kneeling to the Chinese

>>5394635
>he doesn't know about pekora bullying friend

>>5394813
Say that after Gura beat her popularity

Don't care about views, my oshi will always be Pekora. Enjoy your shit flinging.

>>5394859
Gura is already way more popular, she'll achieve 3 mil before ai and in a much shorter timeframe

>>5389744
The power of cunny compels you.

>>5394772
>The entire point here is how some fanbases are shitty
No, it’s you moralfagging as if your subjective opinion is meaningful.

I bet Gura doesn't celebrate at all when she hits 3M. She is a remarkably humble vtuber.

>how many people care about Kizuna AI today?
>how many people will care about the shark in 2 years?
if you can't stay relevant, who cares if you have dead subs? 2.9 mil people aren't watching Kizuna, those are dead accounts.

>>5394992
>it's subjective when someone says shitting on someone responsible for vtubing existing is bad
okay. being a jerk for no reason is fine.

>>5395088
Kou-kun will do one for her again
https://youtu.be/zPKcwCBOqoc

>>5395156
give me the breakdown of his "celebration"

>>5390603
Oh wow, nice find. I remember laughing my ass off to their earlier stuff like 24-hour tag, no laughing spa or that trip to Vladivostok.
They lost some of the magic with later releases, or maybe I just grew too cold and old to be able to laugh like I used to.
Still, nice to see them doing fine.

I don't understand, do people really think highest number = best streamer? This is the type of logic that would make someone think AOL is the best ISP.

>>5389315
this whole idea is stupid because Kizuna Ai even at 1 million subs was able to get so many opportunities that have cemented her as a cultural landmark. Gura can pass her in subs, but the west doesn't view 3 million subs as that big of an accomplishment, the ones that get the opportunities Ai has gotten in the west have to be at like 20 million-100 million followers to even be considered for those kinds of things. It's kind of a hollow victory, because she can say "I'm the most subbed vtuber" but it really doesn't mean shit because that only matters to places like Japan and China who would just use Ai again.

>>5390702
Most of Gura's fans don't even know who Ai is, or even the other girls in Holo EN exist.

>>5395374
They don't have to know who FBK is, they chose to shit on her just because "lol you have less subs now". When rule #1 is literally "don't talk about other streamers unless the streamer is."

>>5389315
its over aibros...

>>5389315
Yes, Gura will kneel in Ai's presence, just like every other VTuber does.

>>5395133
>muh golden cow

>>5390518
>implying that some retarded fag who does it as a joke to make fun of people enjoying the hobby counts

>>5394818
based

>>5394813
>Gura
>New queen
>Over Kizuna who has way more reach than YouTube.
Why are gurafags like this? Can you take your meds before you post or is the taste too much?

>>5395295
Numberfags and gurafags have the highest likelihood to being schizos

>>5389315
Will this be the thing that causes society to realize that cute and funny sells.

>>5397691
BASED

Oh no, Pekora doesn't have 3 million subs. I can't enjoy her any more.
>the logic of this retarded board

>>5395295
It only matters if your main income is from YouTube. If you're expanding it like Kizuna Ai is, it's miniscule to her and people are just being numberfags as usual.

>>5398266
I really don't know which is worse. /vt/, /b/, or /x/

>>5398266
>Post about numbers like they're important
>Dozens of replys, and seething lots of fun

Whats the downside?

>>5394580
I think that's the general consensus, at least outside of streaming. Sponsorships make you a lot more than ad revenue.

>>5398310
/vt/ is /v/ but with vtubers. same tribalist shit.

>>5398160
Chumbuds aren't like this, numberfags are antis.

>>5389315
HOLOLIVE ALWAYS WINS

>>5389315
Remember when Pekora posted about her being passed by this individual? Oh right, she doesn't actually give a shit.

>>5389315
It will happen this month right bros?

>>5398377
Huh. Now I know. Thank God I don't browse /v/

>>5398458
in /v/, people will shit on anything not nintendo. here, people shit on anything not the shark.
>No! you can't like Sumire, she doesn't have a lot of subs.

ITT: Tribalistic schizos fighting butthurt schizos to see who’s more delusional
Get a hold of yourself /vt/

>>5398160
>bro Kizuna was on TV
So she's equivalent to xiaoice then?

>>5397830
grow up.
touch grass.
have sex.
incel.

>>5398509
>compares /vt/ to /v/
>a board well known for contrarianism
>he thinks one of the most popular vtubers isn't shit on here
You're either new or retarded.

>>5398543
She not just on TV. She just had her concerts this month, which were huge successes, and she has more followers outside of Youtube. Hell, she's more popular on (may God forgive me for uttering this word) TikTok.

>>5398603
/vt/ is literally /v/ with vtubers. they shitpost console wars, here it is chuba wars.

Kneel to what? Kizuna started it all. Her time has come and gone but no one can take away that legacy. Gura's time will eventually fade as well, someone new will take her place and people will think fondly of her. But she won't be known for anything special

>>5398633
Holo does concerts too? And there's multiple youtubers who have stupid conventions focused solely around themselves. I'm not impressed by someone renting out a venue. Can you show me something that's impressive?

Honorific titles aren't typically lost/passed down in any space that uses them. Namie Amuro is Queen of J-pop, Ayumi Hamasaki is Empress of J-pop, BoA is Queen of K-pop, Michael Jackson is King of Pop, Elvis Presley is King of Rock and Roll, etc. Even when newer talents come into the field and become the new popular/relevant thing, it's not like they automatically gain an honorific title and the older talents lose their titles. That's not how it works.

>>5398636
I agree, I don't agree with your point that shark doesn't get shit on. It's a revolving carousel of who's getting shit on at the moment and shark has had her turn like everyone else.

>>5395156
Is he anyone important? Like a community news figure or something?

>>5398690
Yeah they can, she's an e-celeb and she will be forgotten like everyone else is. Vtubers in general will be forgotten too.

>>5398751
How many obnoxious FBK fans do you see on /vt/? Sharkfags have been bad even before /vt/ existed. They literally lived on /jp/ hlg.

>>5398822
I don't see many obnoxious fans for JPs in general. You want me to go to 5chan and dig them up? I think I have a pretty good shot at it.

>>5398698
What is impressive about the shark then by this logic? She is no different from any other streamer

>>5398944
Imagine this board was filled with people going "haha you don't get 300k viewers daily like Dream" fanboys.

See why this type of posting is bad?

>>5398698
>deflect
Have you seen Kizuna AI's concerts? They fucking blow everything that Hololive has to offer. Not to mention at that quality her concerts remain inexpensive.
What did gura do to be so impressive? Oh that's right, nothing.

>>5398978
I don't have to pretend, it already is

>>5394908
Says (You)

Sure can't wait for this to happen again

>>>/v/

>>5398799
>trashes Kizuna Ai and expected some defense for gura
>Vtubers in general will be forgotten too.

Why are you retarded?

>>5399075
Based. Jannies need to nuke this thread if they want to gain some respect.

>>5397691
Based kizuners

>>5393210
why don't people count Ai's two channels together? Even with duplicate subs, she should still have enough unique ones to be comfortably in the lead.

>>5399125
We don't show up often, but when we do, we clap back pretty hard.

>>5398978
>Dream
who? Is that a vtuber?

>>5398949
>>5399004
>gura does nothing IMPRESSIVE
Gura's shit, but you're supposed to be showing me why abandoning her youtube channel was the right call.

>>5399139
If you can come up with a way to count unique subs between two channels, then we can talk.

Even that Trash Taste garbage has more subs. People associating quality with a number are actual retards.

>>5399139
Can we count gura's other channel then too?

>>5399198
If gura is shit, then subscribers on YouTube never mattered anyway, in which case kizuna blows gura out even harder. Thanks for playing

>>5397691
This but unironically. Oyabun is daisenpai x10 just from her past accomplishments alone, not to mention all she's doing outside youtube this year. It's something numberfags can't wrap their heads around.

>>5399198
I never said that you should abandon Gura nor that I'm asking you to.
I'm just asking you to not be a tribalist shit who doesn't know what they're talking about.

>>5399265
If we count kizuna's Tik Tok too, why not.

>>5399300
>I can't show you why Kizuna having awful metrics on the once place she's relevant helps her
I accept your concession. Now cope with some more tiktoks.

>>5399242
>actual retards
Which is a majority of posters in this thread. Thank God this thread acts as containment.

>>5399353
Reading comprehension. I'm saying show me why kizuna abandoning her youtube channel was the right call.

>>5399400
>Kizuna
>the once place she's relevant
>Youtube
anon...

>>5399198
>Appear in events and anime conventions worldwide
>countless tv and product ads
>sponsorships and shit
>product collabs (one time shit and long term shit)
>billboards
>concerts
>events and tv appereances
>super popular on other platform
>and probably many more im not aware of as of late.

>>5399400
>thinks this is a concession
You really need to take your meds.

>>5399417
good point.

>>5399455
I remember when all she wanted was to appear in a commercial.

>>5399441
Do you really need me to tell you that? Money and brand appeal.
Really.
She's now part of United Talent Agency and can now do more high quality concerts and can get a lot of endorsements.
https://www.unitedtalent.com/artist/kizuna-ai/
Kizuna Ai is also named one of the top 60 Asia influencers.
https://mag.sixty-percent.com/sixty60_2021
https://mag.sixty-percent.com/archives/author/kizunaai

>>5395295
Deep down everyone knows Gura is boring but they try to cope with it by calling her cute. She doesn’t do shit she doesn’t do anything unique or innovative. I don’t even watch Kizuna and I can tell she’s the better entertainer.

>>5398780
Oh he's a Niji. That is cute.

>>5399554
The good old days man. OG has come a long way

>>5399455
>appearing at a convention
Even VAs who are lower than youtubers appear at conventions. Sometimes as featured guests.
>countless tv and product ads
Xiaoice a literal chink chatbot has made tv appearances.
>sponsorships and shit
Even z list youtubers do this. Even DSP got lootbox to sponsor him
>billboards
Ina was in timesquare
>concerts
Hololive does those. Even western vtubers do those alongside kizuna in fact
>repeating previous memearrows
>super popular on other platforms
Tiktok. who cares?
>countless other shit I'm not aware of
Doesn't exist in otherwords.

>>5399400
>list ai's achievements
>>those aren't impressive lol
>point out gura has none of them
>>b-b-but her YouTube numbers!
Typical cumbud brain rot, he can only think in terms of youtube. Pewdiepie is the greatest man on earth I guess

>>5399723
>copepost

>>5399729
>b-b-but her YouTube numbers!
You fags bring up sponsorships and how well Kizuna is doing. What do you think the sponsors look at?

If Pekora loses every single viewer and has 15 people on Mildom, I will be one of them. Because I don't care about viewers, I care about this crazy rabbit.

>>5399723
Reads like cope desu.

>>5399791
Okay then, why the fuck doesn't Gura have the sponsorships and the wide brand appeal that Kizuna Ai has? You go to a street and start asking around and 9/10 of them will recognize Kizuna Ai in some shape or form.
You try that with gura and most of them will go "literally who?"

>>5399906
Please don't go to a street and start asking people you don't know who Kizuna Ai is. People will just ignore you.

>>5399960
It's just an example my friend. I'm not that retarded.

>>5399791
Her saleability duh. Ai's character alone has that more than any chuubas, comparable to the likes of hatsune miku if i dare say.

>>5399999
Nice quints.

>>5399139
If we combine her main YT channel, her bilibili channel, and her TikTok account, assuming minimal overlap between the three, she has around 7 million unique fans.

>>5399723
All your argument can be said to literally any celebs ever. The point is that she has way more clout and reps than any chuubas in existence outside of youtube.

>>5399791
I don't know how to tell you this, but it isn't only YouTube that they look at. I know it's difficult for you to comprehend. Gura should shoot for a diaper sponsorship so you can have a product relevant to you and the other cumbabies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM5qPHEngGk

Just to shill Kizuna Ai's VA channel and the video where she talks about Kizuna Ai.

>>5398524
doubt its even numberfags since they just look at the numbers, its entirely drama obsessed cunts trying to stir shit

>>5398340
ad revenue has been pretty shit since like what... 4 adpocolypses?

>>5398579
go back.
cope.
seethe.
dilate.

Ai kneels a lot, on my cock.

>>5390518
>followers

does she have like millions on tiktok subs already, why doesnt she just drop a tiktok to ask fags to sub to her YT when Gura is at like 2.99m so she can steal the last thing chumbuds hold onto so dearly

Well EN gen 2 be doa?

>>5393125
>but the dumb shark does
you're just not going to convince me that Gura of all people is some kind of mastermind pulling strings behind the curtain.

>>5389315
Gura is going to hate this
This will not help the imposter syndrome thing at all.

>>5399723
>Ina was in timesquare
Ah yes fans paying their money to put fanart of her up is comparable to actual ad campaigns.

>>5395274
>>5398780
Correct me if I'm wrong, Ithink this is the dude who baited viewers when Gura reached 2mil. He got decent backlash at that time.

>>5403620
I hope Gura has grown ambivalent to the numbers she is reaching instead of actively feeling pressed. I kinda want her to just be her usual self and just go "Oh cool" to the milestone.

>>5394992
Cope, getting called out and all you can do is deflect. Keep seething

>>5399554
that's why I'm really happy for her

Gura a shit and ugly.

>>5389315
Barf
She’ll never have what Kizuna has

>>5403674
I checked his channel after I found the link and I think it is the only vid he has on Gura. I don't speak JP though so I dunno if he talks about her regularly, but a celebration like that and for him to be happy for her, he has to have some videos on her or something.
He does have a maneater vid a few days before the 2m one so maybe he is a fan.

>>5389863
Why start shit with a corpse?

>>5403729
She mostly danced around it when she hit 1M and only did the 2M celebration because Kiara convinced her to. She honestly should just put minimal attention to the 3M milestone like she did the 1M one, but even then who knows how her more toxic chumbuds will act. We might get a repeat of the Fubuki incident, we might get something worse.

>>5404031
I'm mostly concerned if management will do anything to celebrate it. The shitters will do as shitters do, but any official acknowledgement will be something.

>>5404031
Fubuki incident?

>>5403944
Because that's all they have and they're that pathetic.

>>5404165
>>5399065
Chumbuds raided Fubuki's stream and bragged about how Gura beat her to 1M subs, chat went chaotic, Fubuki posted that message in chat.

>>5399188
some manchild fag who cheated his minecraft speedruns "by accident", also calls his fans "his kittens"

This was decided 9 months ago. You can see up to the EN debut in September, Ai was getting a steady 10K subs per week. She should have hit 3 mil around the first week of February this year. Instead, immediately afterward, her sub numbers tanked.

>>5398418
no, I don't remember, proof?

Hey guys, Travis Scott gets more Spotify plays than Elvis right now.

Crazy, right?

>>5389315
gura went up over 2.88 in the first minute of the stream

>>5394838
How?

>>5397691
Based

>>5408740
>numberfag

>>5408740

>>5389971
UUUOOOOOHHHHHH

>deadsubs en vtuber vs deadsubs jp vtuber
kek

>>5413924
based

>>5390513
>projection
seethe harder

>>5414677
meanwhile Rushia is making money hand over fist.
>poor dead subs vs poor dead subs

>>5390802
Trying hard to get gura above by any means possible? Kill yourself

>>5390788
Ai will acknowledge her greatness as the OG vtuber that gura takes for granted.

>>5414944
I showed you my board, answer me

>>5415102
Neither is the biggest vtuber, that would be Usada Pekora.

>>5403867
A cloutchaser he is then

>>5395095
>saying Kizuna has dead subs
>forgot that there was an entire discord server dedicated in making spam accounts to sub to gura

Who was more deadsubs again?

>>5414944
Based fandead

>>5398394
Is that what you tell Gura in your dreams?

>>5415455
In what reality? The one where you forgot to take your meds?

>>5416590

>>5416634
>Code Miko
>gaming
Kek

>>5416634
>gaming
>in a category that never propelled Kizuna Ai to the top to begin with.

Take your fucking meds.

>>5416634
My wife Kanae!

>>5399065
Why do people shit on KFPs again when "chumbuds" are a blight upon this world?

>>5416634
>Gura -53%
shouldn't this be the point?

>>5416634
>emerged in Q1

Imagine being this late to the party

>>5389971
You know grown up Yui Hirasawa from takotsuboya book? Gura is that kind of girl if she do streaming

>>5399960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxQjDcGZYcg

>>5390504
>>5393210
basically everyone here is too focused on muh youtube numbers to see actual success.

>>5389315
I expected a much bigger boost from her birthday but it was pretty tame, not sure if she will reach 3m first now

>>5389744
*eliene

>>5389971
She fucked yagoo for money to get the job

>>5389971
literally cute and funny

>>5392939
>kizuna ai
>first


Hahhahahahahaha get this newfag outta here she wasnt even among the first 50.

And no im not talking about the retarded annoying orange faggots.

But japanese vtubers like eliene, or members of the BANs

>>5426917
TTS babis will never be recognized and they don't deserve to be.

>>5389863
I honestly forgot about Kizuna until this thread.

>>5390429
She's a washed up hag

>>5426917
she was first that actually became popular and well known on the internets and japan.

>>5390040
>Her popularity in youtube may have evaporated but she has bloomed in the Japanese mainstream media. That's the reason why she does not upload frequently in youtube like she did before. She is very busy nowadays with taking part in japanese talkshows and commercials
If you truly understood the way Japanese talkshows and similar media work, you'd understand that that simply means her time is over. The people who inhabit such spaces are "famous because they're famous" in Japan's case. It means that there's no true substance behind them and that they're simply something like placeholders. Whoever ends up in that is effectively retired from being an actual presence or thing.

>>5428202
You sure? Such people who are famouse for being famous are a pretty big thing even in US media. Seems to me it opens up alot of doors, and the public isn't that tired of it as long as they choose to remain in the public eye.

Hello fellow Chankoro!

Why is this even a competition? Kizuna's been dead in the west for years now and in Japan she's basically a shill bot for the highest bidder. Her concerts are cheap as fuck because no ones going to pay Niji/Holo concert prices to see Ai on stage. Go look at her tiktok its basically full of 10 second clips of her dancing, she can't do shit with that audience. The queen of vtubers has long been dead.

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This is unironically what Cover wants too. Eventually they'll get rid of all "problematic" holos and leave only those that can easily sell cup noodles.