/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>54135320
I hear this about JP perms autism, but this sounds like something outside of JP

>>54135320
Kill yourself.

>>54135320
Continue to live.

>>54135320
imagine larping as a woman

>>54135320
I am being serious, your only way out right now is to kill yourself for thinking you even had the chance.

>>54135320
I am being serious, your only way to recover your mental health is to recognize that you simply weren't cut out for the work and you should be happy that you were given the chance.

It's worth it if it's a relevant agency.

>>54136011
PPFFT ure a fucking clown. OP is so stressed to the point of non-function. Basically a deadbeat. Deadbeats dont deserve anything.

>>54136238
Global rule 2.

On the off chance this isn't a larp, what is stressful?
From the outside looking in, it looks like you play video games and sing songs.

>>54135320
Vesper come back

>>54135320
Vesper please just leave.

>>54135320
Skye...

>>54136453
Not OP, but I've worked with a few different agencies and the issue is consistently management and the CEO.

CEOs are only making these agencies to create a virtual harem of girls that have to talk to them and their management and is usually nepo friend hires with no experience.

The worst I've ever been with was a corpo who just did not want to grow at all. Imagine having to fight with your management to promote yourself on twitter. Not allowed to stream and reduced to a VTweeter for 6 months.

Sorry OP I also needed to rant

>>54135320
hi pippa

>>54136453
thank you for listening, but this agency.. is not successful to say the least several ‘employees’ (volunteers) have just quit, staff and talent talk nothing but shit about those who left (or were fired) it feels like everything is about to crumble and nobody knows what will happen next. im not the only talent who wants out. the uncertainty of the agency and the toxicity is the worst.

>>54135320
Kawaii production is a black company

>>54135320
Hang in there anon

>>54137398
no, I completely understand!! i have a lot of insider on agencies too, say for example auroralivevr. stuff came out about them but I was told a lot before that happened, things like management bullying talents and sharing their doxes with others to talk shit. more agencies should be like phase, they don’t actually have managers and are given free reign, management only steps in during controversy (if you recall pippa’s statement after the hogwarts shit)

>>54137736
I was involved in Auroralive shit too. I dipped super early last year, but their "management" doxxed and stalked me. I feel really bad for a lot of these corpo girls because the reality is that most companies are black in one way or another

>>54137398
this reminds me of bonden for some reason

>>54137459
>>54137398
Best of luck friends. There's an old saying in America that people don't quit the job, they quit the boss.
At least if people really like your content style they'll find you again or stay in your orbit. So at the very least there is some return on your time investment.

>>54137871
it’s so true, even microcorpos. if anyone saw that thread with the whole firing someone thing

>>54137901
They were somehow worse than bondEN. Making NO money and refusing to put anything into promotions, but pumping out talents bc the CEO didn't mind making literally nothing as long as he could design his harem and pretend we were all a family lol

>>54137997
Honestly, I think microcorps are worse offenders. They think they can get away with a lot worse things bc no one will know.

>>54138064
that actually sounds insane, i couldn’t imagine. for that second one, youre right. startups especially, I auditioned for PixelLink and they led me and bunch of other people on before going dead for a full month before sending a single rejection letter. but I can do you one worse, in the akioair audition server someone joked about their mental issues and someone turned it into a competition saying something like “ive been diagnosed for 10 years and i don’t think it’s funny”. the girl making the joke got complained about and taken out of general. poor girl was sabotaged, she was nice to everyone just kind of self deprecating.

YWNBAW

>>54138434
adding on, she messaged me a screenshot of the ceo telling her to not contact anyone else, probably straight up blacklisted. if i dig through my dms i could definitely find it

>>54138434
I'm currently getting lowkey led on by a corpo and its making me lose my mind. I feel like waiting a month for two interviews is ridiculous and like they clearly don't want me but idk.

>>54138502
This is ridiculous? WHAT. Why do corpos think they are god gifts to the world and mistreat prospective talents (and their own talents) so consistently? A lot of them are going to be left in a drought when they realize that no good talents want to join agencies anymore bc of the bullshit they pull. I hope that girl is doing well thats so sad aaaa

>>54138708
I'll give Cover some credit. I've sent in 7 applications over 2 years and they just look and pass me up. They haven't led me on.
I think a lot of microcorp management is uppity because they're not assuming the risk of the platform (ie YouTube or Twitch etc). I bet if they had to foot the bill for their talents videos and store/promote them etc they'd be more liable to protect that investment.

>>54138708
her discord isnt vtuber related anymore, so I have no idea but honestly fuck the ceo for letting a snowflake sabotage her. imagine what was taken if she debuted

>>54138953
oh most definitely. the bigger the corpo the less they lead you on. just give people a “no” you cowards

I knew someone who worked for a small corpo for a while. Had no success, debuted in a mixed gen with barely any marketing and of course things crashed and burned. The management wasn’t awful in the sense that they weren’t unpleasant to be around, but they were too incompetent and they never really got anywhere. She left as soon as she legally could.
>>54138064
Was this that one South African agency?

>>54139358
Searched South African vtuber agency. What the fuck is this shit?
https://twitter.com/grotebozewolk/status/1633137300841349122?s=46&t=hvVrlZb9N0Mz92FbeI9z3Q

>>54135320
Im curious about this, what's bad be specific.

>>54135320
fellow phase gen 3?

>>54139577
check >>54137736

>>54139503
Yep, that’s the one. Shit was pretty fucked up.

>>54139577
Sorry I’m stupid it’s >>54137459

>>54139358
I was apart of the South African agency. It was actually the worst time of my life. They followed me to new personas and would stalk/message any company or other VTubers I had contacts with

>>54135320

I feel so much less alone seeing all of these.

>>54135320
ah, that person from yesterday. we don't care about you dude.

>>54139772
thats actually fucking awful hope youre free from them

>>54138064
Based schizophrenic using anime girl corps to live out his dreams.

>>54135320
since we're all venting, I have insider info from many sources on Cyberlive, Kawaii, Prism Project, Phase Connect, and Amber Glow, ask me anything.

>>54139772
Wow, that’s really fucked up. I feel really awful for you and the other ex talents, hope you’re able to move on and experience better things. I know my friend is very burnt out on corpos after what happened to her.
>>54139902
It’s a common tale in VTubing. A lot of small companies take advantage of young women who are too poor for lawyers and rope them into shitty contracts they can’t escape from with minimal support.

>>54140176
>were
bro woke up from it

>>54140253
haha do I know you, I knew someone with insider on most of those too. and.. Amber Glow?? What’s the worst they could do

>>54140430
>do I know you
if so, that'll be funny lmao
>Amber Glow?? What’s the worst they could do
my info is more like... Terumi era Amber Glow

>>54140253
Okay
What is Amber Glow

>>54140430
Wasn’t there like a whole thing with Terumi? Pretty sure she’s originally from Amber Glow, right?

Honestly we need more threads about these microcorpos and the shit they're putting their girls through. All the shitposting about muh niji muh holo doesn't matter because those companies are too big to fail, but there is legitimate black company shit happening in these small places.

>>54140603
Ahhh, Terumi! The reason why all Amber Glow talents are banned from using 4chan

>>54140253
dump something "interesting" about each one. we need new material.

>>54140712
Absolutely holy shit why didn’t we do this sooner

Anybody remember Stellux? They were a company that ran out of money and dissolved if I recall correctly.

>>54140717
All these corpos ban their talents from using 4chan. And all of them still do it.
Cyberlive for example, all of their talents excluding maybe like Seina, used 4chan and posted. One of the biggest dramas of that company is the girl Lumi (phase connect now) using it so much that the other talents were uncomfortable.
>commentating for a 4chan live stream where she was almost baited into saying the n word, got caught posting bad things about her genmates with an excuse that it would bait people to defend the talents and create goslings for them, had a 4chan channel in her discord server that when discovered, was deleted and turned into its own server called friendcord that she brought her genmates hylo and yuri into
4chan had a similar effect on Amber Glow that caused major conflict between talents, and resulted in a lot of leaks from talents about other talents.

>>54140926
it looks to be a group? how the fuck does a group run out of money

>>54135320
Skye...

>>54141202
4chan isn’t that bad though, ironic because we’re dropping company info but it’s as simple as Don’t be Stupid

>>54141202
As far as I am aware, no other corpos ban from 4chan directly. Phase Connect, Idol Corp, and Amber Glow are the only ones I am certain of though

>>54141448
How exactly do they enforce this? Talents don’t exactly go to a physical building most of the time.

>>54141531
CEO stalks the board

>>54141219
Nope, they were originally a company. Their Twitter and their original Reddit posts are gone now so unfortunately I can’t find the statement about running out of money.

>>54141630
THATS HILARIOUS I hope one of them is reading this. Fuck you random ceo

>>54141772
I hope so too. The guy was a prick too busy playing anime protag to give a fuck about anything else

>>54140926
holy shit you hit me with a wave of nostalgia of sorts. Stellux thrived off the fall of cyberlive.
>>54140794
I think a few of my things might already be pretty known.
Cyberlive was run by Misaki and funded by her actual boyfriend. They lived together, but Misaki started to ghost the talents and stop working when her relationship with the CEO fell apart. Also she was a minor when he was like 24, and apparently hes abusive and cheated on her a lot.
>Kawaii
Sava and Aletta were the big leaders of the gen 3 walk out. A lot of people think Aletta wanted to stay, but Aletta was very forceful from what I hear. Things like that she is better off without Kawaii and that she could get into bigger agencies easily.
>Prism Project
Management there is HORRIBLE. Like, to a point talents have wanted to leave multiple times kind of horrible. There weren't any positive changes really in terms of management from Sony acquiring the company. but I think everyone knew management sucked.
>Phase connect
okay i might've lied a bit here, I don't have too much internal info, but rather a lot of external info. Other vtuber agencies, most large indie vtuber circles, irl conventions, and the general bigger community of VTubers have Phase Connect blacklisted and refuse to work with them. Most of these blacklists are very recent (over the last few months) So if you're looking to joining Phase, you might be wary of this when weighing your pros and cons.

>>54141376
Its bad in a sense that VTubers always end up using 4chan to anonymously attack their peers, and a lot of them get caught for it. Then their corpos demand a no 4chan policy, and it becomes a similar situation to strict parenting where their child just becomes sneakier. Girls are very gossipy, and 4chan is a playground for those be introduced to it for the first time. Most of these girls didn't know of 4chan until corpo vtubing.

>>54142103
Sylvia from Stellux deserved better, imo. She seems happy where she is now, but I feel like she deserves more.
Also yeah, Phase Connect is definitely blacklisted by multiple corpos.

>>54142103
this is why everyone hates pippa kek

>>54142103
>Phase blacklisted
Why? Don't really follow them so don't have any info

>>54142388
It’s because Pippa attracted a bunch of right wing people, which I guess isn’t the worst but pandering to them alienates a lot of potential audiences.

>>54142388
Phase Connect main reputation by VTubers is "The 4chan corpo". A lot of people see them as a brand risk. The Pippa hogwarts legacy thing, and Lumi using her old company genmates' models (no matter what your personal opinion on those incidents are) landed Phase outright bans.

>>54140712
The reason for joining any other corpo besides Hololive is to showcase your skills so you can try to apply to Hololive. Therefore you must be ready to go through hell if you want to take your shot.

>>54142103
The phase one is practically an open secret. Once you’re associated with Pippa (and Tenma by extent) forget being part of any other group. Also Sakana loves picking favorites, he’s incredibly biased.
I heard from a mutual that Fuura Yuri was an absolute BITCH behind the scenes, someone who worked in cyberlive dropped the info. Seeing how she got terminated from fucking phase is insane. I can’t imagine her going any higher than a niche indie now.

Yes fuck agencies and people who defend them. Be free my ladies, be free...

>>54142388
because they support nazism and bigotry

>>54142655
Oh boy cant wait to play Minecraft

>>54142659
Isn't Fuura Yuri friends with all her old colleagues again on Nanobytes?

>>54142613
>"The 4chan corpo"
nah shes honestly more of a KiwiTuber but yeah shes managed to get her whole company banned single handedly

>>54142655
That’s a stupid belief and you should be ashamed

>>54135320
Nice LARP but also my experience with most jobs, come in feeling optimistic and like it's gonna be great, leave a few years later worse off.

>>54142773
From what I've seen it's everyone except chaps and menace.

>>54142801
I kinda feel bad for them though, I don't know how you get out of that situation without Pippa literally graduating herself. Because if she tried to make a change of her content to fit the standards needed to get them unblacklisted, she'd end up killing her fans (and probably herself ngl). So I think Phase has to stick to its 4chan niche.

>>54142817
You are stupid. Hololive is the only relevant agency in the West.

>>54142922
chaps?

>>54142971
the good part is if their ccv is anything to go by, they've been dying slowly the past few months.

So how do you girls even find or get found by all these microcorps?
It's kind of interesting hearing about all this because it sounds like it's from another world.

>>54142103
Hmm Sava was pretty obvious because her "hiatus" over tokyo treat box was what started the whole event of gen 3 streaming strike
The 2nd person was always aletta or miryu, but people only suspected miryu because of Nami's vague talk about it during her member (but people could have misinterpreted her vague talk as well).

>>54143050
Chapipi

>>54140712
we could actually burn them to the ground and roast the big fish on the fire

>>54135502
>>54135556
the duality of vt

>>54135726
>>54136011
the duality of vt 2: electric boogaloo

>>54142971
most of the girls are even all right and some hate pippa for ruining their career even fucking tenma ranted about her slamming a door closed for some collab or something she wanted to do either pippa leaves or phase dies slowly and in agony , its a shitfest really fucked up , and since pippa is kinda the golden goose of phase i doubt pippa will leave anytime soon

>>54143239
grim

>>54143106
Unironically Reddit. I think some girls found them through Twitter or YouTube ads too.

>>54143106
The Vtuber Grape Vine. #vtuberauditions and other keywords bring up startups and micros.

>>54143106
since i started following some of the less talked chuubas in /corpo/, my yt algorithm started recommendign me other small and unheard corpos as well as very small indies, both groups with enjoyable girls who i decide to watch over other more established ones

>>54142103
It's strange that Aletta think like that. Was she that cocky due to her number?
She's the type who only shined because of her short and algo game. However, that means her ceiling of "bigger corp" is Idol or Phase. She doesn't really have good singing skill, not that good at game streaming (her specialty is TFT lol). Her zatsu is her "niche" because she panders to the /sci/ crowd but that skill is limited once you are exposed to a bigger audience and bigger/faster chat.

>>54142922
Oh I realize chaps is chapipi. Her Idol persona looks like it follows nano, I don't think menace's does, unless i missed it.
>>54143106
mostly searching on twitter for vtuber company auditions and hoping that by getting in, you'll become a famous vtuber. Or at least bigger than what you were able to be as an indie with no money.
>>54143239
I feel like its probably a huge moral dilemma for Pippa and Phase, basically a hole dug that is impossible to climb out of. I think they can get by, if they're satisfied with maintaining the current fans they already have. I just don't think they'll be able to grow much bigger thanks to their reputation, unless they change their audience to something outside of the vtuber sphere.

>>54143140

>>54143505
A lot of gen 3 were pretty upset, likely due to Idol's fast rising success. They demanded more advertising and marketing to keep up.

>>54143239
probably for the best honestly, pippa isn't even that edgy. the kind of people who blacklist phase because of pippa are the kind who will throw anyone under the bus at the slightest perceived misstep.

>>54140926
ah one of the two corpos that made me start /corpo/
>>54142103
stellux was a little earlier than that
also all of your insider info has been posted here before...

>>54137997
saw it, microcorpo called rehope they deleted everything lol one thread is all it take

>>54143507
liek i honestly wouldnt wanna be a phase talent rn , like your growth is capped by another talent its not even your own faul or an skill issue this must breed so much contempt , you cant remove pippa because shes bringing in your money and you cant remove the rest because your company already looks black as fuck , i assume fishman is just waiting for one of the girls that got fucked to explode

>>54143608
i dunno streaming an unarchived vehicular manslaughter stream where you watch you guessed it vehicular manslaughter clips underlayed with Takanashi Kiaras sparks seems pretty edgy to me

I have nothing to do with any of this microcorpo stuff, I'm not a vtuber and I never really followed any small corpos expect occasionally tuning into some streams of Tenma and the new idol gen but this thread might be the most interesting and unique thing I've ever seen here. Feels like a breath of fresh air between catalog tribalfaggotry and rrats. I hope all of you find success in your lives one day, whether it be through vtubing or not

>>54140712
I don't trust any of these small corpos because there is always something shady going on.
Mismanagement, treating talents like shit, hated CEO, lack of funding, no advertising or marketing plans, management dating a talent or a child yab, verbal abuse, so much talent vs talent drama, paying their talents pennies, and more.
Speaking of, its safe to assume that your oshi in literally any of these small corpos is not making enough to cover basic expenses. I don't know any small corpo that currently gives their talents a wage.

>>54143790
that's the sad part. Some of their talent could go places but are being held back by the stigma phase brings them.

>>54143608
It’s a dog eat dog world. That’s why we’re gonna keep beating up microcorps for being the worst

>>54143790
I've heard a lot of about the kind of person the ceo is lmfaooooooooo
a talent exploding would be his own fault, simply because he shit talks his own talents so much.

>>54143858
i forgot iirc she also streamed a Kiara doxvid on livestream before and talked about it , for which she even got punished back then i think that was how she lost maro perms a while back because the maro led to that and i think that got taken down that was ages ago though phase didnt have as big of a stigma back then

>>54144007
hes colorist as hell too, much to /choc/s dismay. sorry. no tan phase girls

Imagine working in a small corpo when the big corpos is already a dog-eat-dog world and actually THINKING "wow what a great idea". This is why i respect indies that grew big by their own merits like Filian. You all are trash by comparison.

>>54144130
this is the first im hearing of this one (but i dont watch pippa much at all really sooo) so she doxxed kiara?
>>54144144
he's missing out, darker skin anime girls with dark hair is sex. sara from prism project is so hot.

>>54143886
Problems with small corpos and microcorpos aside, it’s genuinely a great feeling to support your oshi when she’s small and watch her grow. Of course there’s the chance that she’ll give up and graduate or she’ll be caught up in drama and graduate, but on the off chance that things go well you really get to watch everything firsthand. It’s a feeling unlike any other.
>>54143897
I know of one girl who only made like $50 a month at best. Grim.

>>54143858
agree to disagree i suppose

>>54144254
>doxxed
yesnt doxx probably wasnt the right word it was that specific "asuka" vid and no im not gonna elaborate if you know you know , and talked about and connected her PL to her Holo identity

tldr pippa is just not a good person shes a destructive pick me , like imagine you have done nothing wrong ant this stigma is what you get associated with

>>54135320
op, i feel you. i'm lucky enough that i'll be leaving mine soon without too much trouble but it's insane how fucking awful these small corpos can be.

hope you can get out soon.

>>54144248
most of the vtubers in small corpos are teenagers to young 20s so its probably the first time they've ever seen a contract in their lives.
Which makes it feel even shittier when you realize that the companies don't just take advantage of their talents, they take advantage of young girls.
I really think vtubers should try just persevering at being an indie. you might not have a lot of money to start with, but hard work will get you recognition, get you money, get you going. So many indies that are huge now started with shitty, vroid type models, worked hard and then redebuted with good live2ds and blew up from there. I think even shylily was one of those.
Filian is a great example, she doesn't even have her own model, just a booth model.

>>54144360
>shes a destructive pick me
cute seething femanon

>>54144374
If you are my Oshi I will literally cry please go indie

>>54143110
There wasn't an misinterpretation, Nami confirmed that the 2nd one who was pushing the others to leave was Miryu

>>54144374
Woozie...

>>54144270
how the hell are you supposed to live off from 50 dollars ? man no wonder tubers from microcorpo´s usually work on the side

>>54144360
Okay, that doesn't seem like a very smart, or good thing to do as a corporate VTuber. At least it seems like it happened early on, because I haven't really heard this about Pippa from the people who don't like her. Most just don't like her because of her super right winged content, and then her fanbase is deemed the worst of any vtuber.

>>54144374
if you’re real, please put some sort of identifier in your graduation or some tweet.. i want to see everyone on the other side

>>54144360
If the video is deleted, and the original person doesn’t want it shared then yes showing it off is dox especially when they’re hiding in big quotations their identity

>>54143897
Lack of funding or advertising problems shouldn’t be a black mark. Their are limits to what you can do starting out especially when you were guaranteed to be a 2 view until this year.

>>54144522
anon i have a dick , but /rant over Phase is pretty much the only microcorp i know that much about and i have nothing more to tell really , grim to hear that others dont seem that much better though

>>54144588
NTA but company splits are no fucking joke. i didn't even get into streaming for the money, but because i like doing it as a side hobby next to my full time job. but let me fucking tell you how sad it is when you see you made 1.4k in memberships and superchats and once management and youtube take their cut, you get your monthly payout and it's...$150. it got to the point i just straight up started telling my chat not to spend their money on me but unfortunately since you can't explain why they just see it as "aww cute! i'll send even more!"

I think the shittiest thing I’ve seen a corpo do was adopt an indie, then when she left steal her IP so she couldn’t stream with her character that she herself made and built up. This has happened more than once.

>>54144765
Hi. Insider here. PixelLink’s YouTube cut is 70 them 20 talent.

Come on give me shit on Idol corp.

>>54135320

Either of the big two agencies (the rest are irrelevant) mean extreme exponential growth all for a little bit of their freedom. Almost to the person, the growth they've seen by being an agency talent is at least 10x their old channel by every metric (followers, viewers, members) with some (mostly the men) being upwards of near 100x as many as they used to have.

I can't really talk on Niji, but Cover has made it clear; the talents are free to run their channels how they see fit with some content being the only thing that's restricted. They have absolutely nothing expected of them except for what seems like weekly meetings, and they seem extremely well compensated for their troubles.

If you can't make it as a corpo in this industry, you're truly a snowflake who can't handle the real world.

>>54138708
How does a company lead you on? I've never auditioned for a corpo so I'm curious

>>54144765
oof thats such a meager payout , that explains why some corps shit out merch like there is no tomorrow though , probably no other means for the tuber to feed themself if they do this fulltime

>>54140253
Why do kids love cinnamon toast crunch?

>>54144895
just a dream for most vtubers, like how 99% will never make it into the NBA or compete in the Olympics.

>>54144926
Using vague statements like “if you choose to join us!” and repeat audition views and interviews. That and keeping contact, we messaged nearly every day. I had 28 audition views and 2 interviews from one company before I was suddenly dropped.

>>54140253
Give us the real reason the white homo from prism is already fucking off

>>54143790
holy esl

>>54141448
Idol Corp doesn't ban talents from using 4chan all of their talents are /here/

>>54144853
yup, same with the corpo i'm with, but only for me. mine is 70/20. i got the shittiest contract because i had nearly 0 experience and i was eager to sign because i only wanted to do this as a side hobby so i didn't care when i signed. my genmates got 60/40 and our top talent is at 20/70. it's fucking insane.

>>54144928
lol, we don't even get a cut from our merch. the most management does is SOMETIMES send us a package with some of our merch for free.

>>54145075
That absolutely sucks.

>>54145126
that is absolutely batshit insanely fucked

>>54145075
holy hell , i hope you´´re not stuck with that for too long , this would make it pretty much impossible to do this full time even if you wanted to

>>54135320
Pochi...

>>54144926
When a company wants you, they will do whatever it takes to get you. A lot of these big corpos know exactly what they're looking for and will sign you on ASAP to keep you. What I am going through currently is long stages between interviews even though they are quite insistent they want me. Pretty much keeping you on hold, discussing things, and taking up your time without actually showing you contract when you could be accepting other offers. I commend Idol-Corp for instantly making you sign NDA and not leading anyone on (unlike Phase, etc.)

>>54145029
Yeah, that's what I am saying, sorry my comment was weird. Phase and Idol do not ban, but Amberglow does.

>>54144853
Sorry I'm confused, where does the other 10% go?
Can we get more company split information on other corps?
Phase's is 50/50

>>54145126
that's terrible

>>54144967
probably some jew corn syrup concoction with lobbyists in the FDA

>>54145316
YouTube I think. I’m parroting EXACTLY what the CEO told me during the interview.

>>54145316
not sure about that anon (i'm the other one who replied who had the same split) but for us it's counted as conversion + paypal fees. i feel like it's bullshit to be honest but i'm leaving shortly so i'm don't have it in me to challenge any of it.

idolen is terrible, no wonder its run by soap dodgers

How many /sister/ we have on this damn board...

>>54139902
Woozielarper......

>>54145075
That fucking sucks. From the rrats I've heard Idol corp has 60/40 for the talent and they push streamlabs heavily so Youtube doesn't get a cut.

>>54145493
nothing based in israel should ever be trusted desuwa.

>>54145493
Don't just say it sucks give me something to bite.

>>54145564
60/40 is their best cut in the industry? even cyberlive was 70/30. but then again, cyberlive died.

>>54145759
Talents get 60.

>>54145759
Also I have no actual idea how much they are getting it's 100% rrat without any proof.

Despite everything though and all the hell I went through in a microcorp, I honestly wouldn’t mind auditioning for some of the larger small corpos as long as they aren’t too restrictive. Maybe I’m just masochistic or stupid.

>>54144853
nooo..... I wanted them to be a good company since their talents are so good...

>>54145877
you just want to feel important

>>54145759
50/50 is usually the standard cut. If the jew spend that much on ads and take 60/40, I'm curious what their budget/book is like.
Cyberlive 70/30 is peak retard. They literally don't have money for anything and quickly collapsed DESPITE having handful of 3 views with good dono.

>>54145877
>as long as they aren’t too restrictive
Corpo that is too restrictive will never flourish.

>>54145927
doesn't everyone?

>>54145917
I’m sorry :(

>>54145877
If I had a chance with holo I would go for it too

>>54145959
And a Corpo that isn't restrictive enough gets Phase'd.

>>54145927
I became a VTuber because I like attention, anon. I know what I am.

>>54145877
SHALOM!
https://twitter.com/idol_corp/status/1671802532874665986

>>54145971
being important to my girlfriend is enough for my heart

>>54145877
Just make sure they´re legit its kinda scary to hear how many of them are shady

>>54144853
>>54145075
how does that even make sense when youtube superchats cut are 30-35%? unless that counts as part of the company cut

maybe we should make a pro con list for joining each of these corpos for /asp/ girls

no one dropping anything on eien? they are supposedly shit corpo.

>>54146165
based interns shitting on other companies while propping up their own

>>54146195
Most negative stuff I’ve seen is about Kiki. That’s only one talent, not the company itself.

>>54146165
We need to start a thread dedicating to just documenting microcorp bullshit. I think a lot of people get caught up in the allure of “fame”

>>54146195
Look at the OP

>>54138708
1-3 months seems to be standard even in the big ones

>>54138953
Seems like they didn’t officially start looking till March-May. Looks like a rush job and will probably be looking for a new gen soon

>>54145310
Leading you on is strange phrasing considering even myth had different experiences for when they were accepted. Unless this is a dream job apply to the other corpos as well you’re not under contract and fishing around helps. If you’re going for the name brand small corpo or one of the big 2 most of them are a bit jumpy right now with auditions because they’ve all had short term graduations. Otherwise jump ship also a NDA doesn’t keep you from searching it’s not a work contract

>>54145411
YouTube allows for you to adjust how much they take out so he either dropped or raised their cut. If you are still a streamer don’t touch that cut because despite being big it’s the safe space. Your taxes will shoot up otherwise. Pretty sure Nene from kawaii taxes are near Ina’s or Ame.

>>54145877
It's fine if you do it as a hobby. Otherwise just expect that the success rate isn't higher than 5%.

>>54146195
sorry, I'm more knowledgeable in the earlier corpos rather than the newer ones.

>>54146139

>>54145411
>>54145470

Idol can't stop winning.

>>54146344
Idol led on a friend of mine. ALL SMIRCORPOS MUST DIE

>>54146328
the first one does not account for streamlabs and the second one has nothing to do with what i said. i'm interested in the exact breakdown of corpo + youtube + talents + fees

>>54146272
I think most time we try to talk about these small corpos on our own, their extremely /here/ talents and management shut it down as quick as possible by just calling them rrats. I think if we have more dedicated discussions like this where other anons are able to chip in their experiences in the moment, instead of the conversation getting archived first, it'd be easier to spread awareness.
The smaller these companies get the more predatory they tend to get. They're very appealing to new vtubers, and a lot of vtubers walk away graduated/terminated from these companies usually regretting their time there.

>>54146344
Are they that attractive?
Would anyone here prefer joining them over say the newest gen of NijiEN?

>>54146548
I don't think anyone would prefer to join niji these days.

>>54146044
don't let it get to your head you attention druggy

>>54145927
Nta but what kind of walking oxymoron would want to become a career streamer and not get watched? How big is the fishbowl you live in?

Captcha: v0r4um

>>54142103
>Management there is HORRIBLE. Like, to a point talents have wanted to leave multiple times kind of horrible. There weren't any positive changes really in terms of management from Sony acquiring the company. but I think everyone knew management sucked.
Aviel, save the frog...

>>54146448
I saw them post something recently like "for every 5 scouted, 1 gets in" How far into the audition process did you friend get?

>>54146631
She will come home one day.

justice for my π/log(2) earning chuubas and 0/0 earning mods...

>>54146542
anti corpo dogwhistle

>>54146582
i dunno anaon they may look bad with the recent graduations but they are still the second biggest fish in the ocean that still sounds attractive enough

>>54145959
Hololive

>>54145877
>Super indie (doesn’t exist yet)
>Holo
>Top tier indie
>Niji
>Small corpo (well known ones)
>Indie (confident indie)
>Smaller corpo
>Obvious scam
>Indie
There are levels to it and an old plan used to be join small corpo steal some of the fans, leave be an indie with more confidence, then rinse and repeat until you’ve kidnapped a decent 3 view following. Your goal should be the new scammy type ones but if you get a legitimate one then you saved a few steps

>>54146631
She was originally going to be in Idol, but when sony showed her their offer she changed her mind

>>54146631
Anon that information is out of date...

>>54146697
>0/0 earning mods...
no one cares about jannies

>>54146735
is it a dogwhistle if im literally just anticorpo? i seriously believe a lot of these talents are better off indie then getting screwed over by the next small corpo that wants a huge cut of their revenue in exchange for never giving them relevancy.

Lucid.

>>54146285
>1-3 months seems to be standard even in the big ones
For big corpos, a 3 month audition process would maybe make sense, but not if you're a microcorp or even Phase/Idol level.

>Leading you on is strange phrasing considering even myth had different experiences for when they were accepted. Unless this is a dream job apply to the other corpos as well you’re not under contract and fishing around helps. If you’re going for the name brand small corpo or one of the big 2 most of them are a bit jumpy right now with auditions because they’ve all had short term graduations. Otherwise jump ship also a NDA doesn’t keep you from searching it’s not a work contract
Sorry, my phrasing was awful here again. What I meant is that they act like they really want you and say a bunch of stuff without ever actually signing you. I don't think I've ever actually been led on by a corpo in that way, so maybe another femanon can elaborate more.

>>54146656
I made it through entire Idol audition process and can give some insight if anyone has questions since I don't ever plan on joining. Aviel was very nice and they were all incredibly professional.

>>54146765
NTA but I don't think she is very happy in PRISM.

>>54146823
Yes, you are literally a dogwhistle

>>54146548
i wouldn't be surprised if they ran at a loss or close to it in order to sweeten the deal and build good will. there have been dozens of tech startups from israeli expats in silicon valley that did just that in a lot of different emerging tech fields.

>>54146883
i don't think you know what that term means.

>>54146823
sorry I meant we need one

>>54146870
Yeah, from watching her streams its really obvious she regrets joining

>>54146870
at least elaborate, anon. i dont have much time to watch the frod, her times overlap with others i already watch

>>54146856
>give some insigh
is the pay really as decent as it seems or did they not disclose that before actually signing? like another anon said something doesnt add up monetarily , i dont get how they dont loose money

>>54146582
Bad reputation but you’d be retarded to turn them down. They have had some members for 5 years and the original 6 seem on track for 3 years. If you end up sucking then yea leaving is the best choice but the chance to not suck seems worth it to me

Chiming in, not a vtuber. But interesting discussion so far, especially in terms of pay cuts.
Thought I'd offer some info, if any clippers or artists are here that phase connect pays dirt and worms for edited clips, and you'll be expected to make a million changes to your videos while still making dirt and worms.

>>54146856
>I made it through entire Idol audition process
Why were you not chosen then? Do you think the girls in gen2 are actually better than you?

>>54146922
Ah, okay. Yeah sure.

>>54143571
>A lot of gen 3 were pretty upset, likely due to Idol's fast rising success
So are these girls retarded or what? Peony was literally a brand new streamer. Sava was taking breaks every 2 weeks, but then she would come back and complain about her numbers. Yeah it turns out that when you debut, stream for 2 weeks and then fuck off, you are missing out on building an audience during the debut buff.
Even today she put out a statement that she will take a hiatus and stream whenever she can because of her health issues.
Peony was also very sickly and busy with uni. How were they expecting to get into a corpo like idol and be regular streamers? Or were they just expecting to join a corpo and get 800-900 ccv right from the start?

>>54147036
NTA, but they get a lot of funding from investors which other small corpos including Phase don't have much of.

>>54147121
What do you propose?

>>54135320
Who is this? Reveal yourself, fiend!

>>54147036
The talents have a very good deal in Idol and the management takes care of a lot. They genuinely care about taking care of their talents financially and mentally. The split is very good and I can't see any Idol girls deciding to leave so very safe oshi options.

>>54147116
I was chosen and signed (not for gen 2), but a lot of things happened (outside of Idol stuff) that led to us parting ways. I think that some of the girls are definitely better, but I haven't watched any of them so I can't say.

>>54147132
>Or were they just expecting to join a corpo and get 800-900 ccv right from the start?
Foolish of you to think that some of these girls actually want or like to stream. They join a corpo for some passive income and do other shit on the side. Sava is an artist/rigger in her spare time, and she couldn't even do THAT job well because she ghosted people that comissioned shit from her.

>>54147233
Including? More like ESPECIALLY

>>54147233
i wonder which companies are actually insane enough to invest into a do or die like new vtuber corpos

>>54147358
AkioAIR somehow has investors

>>54147311
I guess that brings us back to the conversation about Phase being blacklisted and their reputation, thats another issue you have to worry about joining them. You're not gonna see people who want to invest a lot of money into a walking brand risk.

>>54147304
Thanks for your answer this actually seems like a decent company in a sea of shit but i guess they really wouldnt have that luxury without the investor backing

>>54147391
Ironic because it feels like the talents don’t do anything, no special events or new models

>>54147132
They probably just want to spend on ads instead of "useless things" (in their mind) like 3d, concert and such. Idol did incline with heavy investment from ads and aggressive promotion event but then there are other corpo's who aren't really thriving (or maintain their number), despite of investment in ads as well. Phase actually didn't even spend that much on ads. They just grow off Pippa's viral campaign, for better or worse

>>54147358
Idol corp is in Israel, so its way easier for them. Also Aviel's history helps that, since he owned advertising companies.

>>54147304
>I was chosen and signed (not for gen 2)
If you were under NDA it's pretty easy for Aviel to know who you are by the way, for that I think you are just lying.

>>54147445
half of them don't even stream

>>54146632
And disregard everything else as long as they're important? How big is the toiletbowl you live in?

>>54147304
>Please watch idol and give them your money friend! I as a third party not asociated with them in any way can guarantee that they are much better than anyone else in this thread made specifically to trash talk their competitors!
uh huh

>>54146958
Thats because he made it up.

>>54147478
NTA but I think a lot of people got NDAs from Idol, so they're probably safe. Idol seems to be on a mission to make sure they find the perfect fits for their company. Also considering anon isn't shitting on them, I think they appreciate the good publicity.

>>54147478
Again, I don't really care if Aviel knows who I am because I don't intend on joining in a future gen or leaking confidential shit.
I just don't really understand all the hate that Idol gets on the boards when out of all the black companies, Idol is not one of them. Why is it so bad to want your talents to succeed and help them get there?

>>54147545
I don't watch Idol and don't care if you watch them. Just speaking on my good experience with their management.

>>54147559
she doesn't make enough to pay for games and you think she is happy?

>>54147304
Shut up glowie we’ll burn you down too

>>54147545
I think we just have a lot of appreciation for Idol for breaking industry standards (yes, having your talent's best interests at heart is not currently industry standard). Not to say I won't be weary of them because all corpos have me weary.

why is this thread glowing?

>>54147652
the hate basically started as a meme becuase of aviel being a jew. then from rin and her success with shorts and tiktok. then yuko and her unique stream ideas that end up privated/removed. and of course juna the male collaber after the donothon

>>54147718
like honestly the only other corpos i can imagine that do that are maybe hololive,nijisanji or maybe vshoujo and those are way bigger fishes , for a small to medium one like idol that seems like a sweet deal

>>54147652
I hate to be this person(actually its funny to be this person) but most of Idol's hate seems to come out of a Phase connect rivalry. Idol's general seems more friendly toward Phase than Phase's general feels toward Idol. Most of the time when Idol hate is brought up, Phase is in the discussion.

>>54147652
>hate
Hate makes the place go round. It's a good thing to have here

>>54147867
you have to be 18 to post here

>>54147652
my rrat now is that you are waabyuu who was going to be in gen2, but got hired by hololive so you turned them down.
and no i won't change my rrat no matter what.

>>54147918
you have to be retarded to point it out

>>54147448
Idol literally paid dramatubers to shill their corpo. That plus the ads plus many other things. Not every corpo has that much money.

sorry to be chummy but i really appreciate this discussion, fellow ex-corpos and the like. It feels really nice to know you're not alone.

>>54147984
i mean i must confess i was pretty annoyed by their ads sometimes but never to a point where i actually held a grudge , ads and shorts are the waas to go i guess

>>54147848
A lot of talents are probably upset because Idol girls get such a good deal honestly.
For me it is kind of hard to look at how successful Idol talents are and think about what I missed out on, but I'd rather just mute them and work on myself then start hate campaigns.

>>54147937
I was never gong to be in gen 2 and I am definitely not good enough for Hololive yet, but nice!

>>54147485
>Quits industry one has experience in and passion for after single company was shit to them
Based minimum wage short-term temp laborer

>>54148116
If you ruined Riro's idol project I will find you and skin you.

>>54142696
wtf I love Phase Connect now.

>>54148054
Same here, this brings a smile to my face. Fuck grubby microcorps on a power trip getting away with it.

i honestly also wonder how these non compete clauses after a graduation work , like some people seem to be able to sidestep those , like a certain kettle that revived after a week would be nice to heaar of your experiences if you have any

>>54147800
just being a jew is one thing, but israel has a history of exporting "entrepreneurs" and "investors" with near unlimited resources to jump into blooming markets early so a greater degree of control can be exerted over them later. i don't blame the girls for getting a cushy deal out something they probably don't understand or care about, but trusting an israeli startup company is like trusting a bus full of camera carrying chinese tourists requesting a tour of your factory.

I am interested what do you girls think of having a boyfriend and doing GFE?
I respect the hustle, but I would have a hard time sleeping.

>>54148605
For most small corps at least, they're usually nothing long, like 3-6 months. Some corps don't have a noncompete at all, which allows talents to maintain an indie account on the side or hop over to another agency right after leaving one. There's also a possibility that if a talent leaves because their company broke their contract, that their noncompete would become invalid.

>>54148773
U said the naughty word

>>54148773
if she's up front about it, im indifferent, wont hate and wont watch. if she lies about it, i anti.

>>54148842
PixelLeaker here again. They had one that lasted 1 year, but you’re allowed to remain independent.

>>54148773
Unpopular opinion, but its whatever, just keep it out of your VTuber life. You are playing a character. I am sure a lot of JP GFEs have BFs but they are professional enough to realize this is their job.

>>54148917
dang thats awfully long. Tsunderia's was 6 months and I thought that was kinda long.

>>54148842
>>54148917
very insightful thanks , wouldnt have thought those thave that much of a range difference

>>54146465
>Youtube’s base cut is 24% for Niji and Holo. This cut accounts for everything
They aren’t located in America so it assumes your trash countries taxes aren’t as big a deal. You can still bring it up to 30 or lower the cut. This is also possible in America
>Streamlabs takes 0 cut but they have payment processing fee
Don’t actually know how it can operate solely on that but I can tell you that you’ll end up paying a lot more on taxes
>Hololive and Niji takes 50% from both
On stream labs it’s the most obvious and according to Pomu best way to support.
>Youtube is a bit trickier
50% off the principle value would leave you with $26 from an akasupa
50% standard cut would leave you with $38 from an akasupa
50% of the percentage itself which leaves you with $47.12 of an akasupa

Anything past this is theory territory but some HoloJP members renegotiated the super cut. And don’t post the Mori picture because it’s wrong it doesn’t know that YouTube tax cut is it’s base cut, members and in some cases ad rev are also paid out at the same time with the supers so she’d have no way separating it. No site tracks members streams so that wouldn’t help

>>54146542
Yeah but every time we start talking about them it becomes either "nobody cares about small corps" or a thesis on technical stuff like this thread and no shit gets done, and nobody that says "my company is shit" drops name, we can't get our shit together and are just a glorified adboard

Anyone here posted any proof yet? Or at least something to show they would have access to this insider info to give some credibility to their claims?

>>54149107
Not even tits were posted.

>>54149107
i doubt they want to get sued so take it or leave it i guess

>>54148998
I’m breaking NDA for you guys, but they broke my friends heart so I don’t care.

>>54148773
This is a tough one, I think your responses will vary person by person because its a moral thing and depends on the character you're playing. Are you committing to kayfabe and doing GFE? I don't see the problem with that. Its more like playing a gf character. Are you a VTuber committed to making your character as close to your irl persona as possible while doing GFE? seems a bit scummy.
A lot of VTubers have bfs. Your small corpo oshi probably has one. Pretty much every corpo girl I knew was in a relationship, but they keep their IRL life separate and private, away from VTubing. Its unrealistic that a vtuber will commit to staying out of a relationship unless shes just very undesirable or doesn't go out and meet people. But even then, if she doesnt have an irl boyfriend, shes probably got an online boyfriend. But at the end of the day, I don't care. Gura probably has a boyfriend too, and a lot people would assume the same thing, but it doesn't matter, that has no part in her content.

>>54149107
No shit, closest we got was a small corp from yesterday deleting a firing and PixelLink being greedy apparently

>>54149251
As long as there's multiple talents you can just say the name and give some info or grow a pair and burn a bridge unless you're a masochist talent

>>54149316
may they be merciful to you as long as you have plausible deniability

rehope is about to lose a talent, expect a statement this week that’s all I can predict

>>54135320
Is that you Skye?

>>54149446
1000+ auditions. They’ll never know who.

>>54149107
The reason no one can drop hard proof buddy is because we can and will get SUED. This is not some friend group drama, this is people with actual contracts and NDAs involved. I'd say you're lucky to get any information like this at all because most people are too afraid to risk getting sued by sharing their stories at all. The only reason most of us come out is because we're mostly confident we wont be found out.

>>54147800
>>54147848
>Buy an ad
Yea you’re pretty obvious with this one. The hater started because Rin and Yuko posted shorts about mentioning Gura in their chat despite their streams
I personally agree with Yuko’s case, I like seeing people gush about Gura but they always seem to get dogpiled by people that don’t watch Gura. All for the Rin hate though not the same situation

What the fuck is pixellink? They had 1 month period on twitter where they didn't tweet anything?

>>54149506
there was a thread about it yesterday yeah and the firee posted a statement, rehope deleted the tweet afterwards

>>54149577
adding onto this, I would be more than happy to drop screenshots I have of people's contracts, but I don't want to get my friends sued. Especially since you can't guarantee one talent's contract is written the same way as another talent's.

>>54149736
yup

>>54140253
>No idol
Okay shill

>>54149736
i have no idea about this rehope thing. link to thread?

>>54149748
I would honestly refrain from that might cross the line for a corpo , and you seem like a good person good people shouldnt be in jail

>so many "femanons"
>0 tits
did NDA tell you not to post them?

>>54149824
As I've said before, most of my info comes from old corpos (I forgot to also mention Tsunderia) that dominated 2021-2022. Idol is part of the newer gen of corpos that I don't have a lot of info on.

>>54149736
found another person related to rehope dropping dirt, saw it on a private rumor discord channel, its fresh
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cvhcltntyki0-Tj2NxU_9Sx2Cjo9QhaD5v_knDZXFCs

>>54149932
Didnt Tsunderia also Implode violently ? i barely paid attention to them

>>54149852
I don't think you can go to jail for breaking contract, but you can definitely face hefty fines depending on whats outlined in your contract.

>>54149845
post your bets on which talent leaves
>>54042949

>>54149845
>>54042949

>>54150012
Yeah Tsunderia had a lot of internal struggles and internal drama. Nowadays one half of the talents sort of hates the other half of talents. One of those halves will all become members of Phase Connect, those who wont are probably part of the second half.

>>54149852
Most microcorpos don't have legal contracts or even use contracts, that's why we should go after them they get away with the most shit and can't even pay lawyers and shit their pants with a thread or leak lol, then you can keep track when they make a new corpo with different name same time the old one dies, all the same staff

>>54150202
man i hope they get happy there but somehow i doubt it

>>54148116
As a hololive fan you probably have a better chance than you realize. Among the 11 en members hired Gura, IRyS, Mori*, and Ina are the only talented ones. Among the 4 went talent Gura didn’t sing, didn’t do an audition video, Ina had 0 streaming experience, and Mori was a failure which is why I added the asterisk. IRyS was the only one to show her talent, be successful, and have some streaming experience. She was also specially hired as a vsinger so I don’t think their goal is top tier talents.

I am actually astonished Gura got in solely on charisma but she proved why it was the right choice

>>54149361
id feel less offended as an audience member and more pity for the bf + disgust for the girl if she was hornybaiting and/or being a pretend gf for a bunch of random internet dudes while in a relationship. that's almost as bad as your gf having an onlyfans.

Unironically one of the most interesting threads in a while even if it's all lies.

>>54137459
Kek this is so EIEN
I knew it was you Skye

>>54140926
Speaking of other small corpos that are now gone, anyone watch HavenX? Yukapro? Or TomoPulse? I know some people were hoping one of the catgirls from TP would end up in Phase.

>>54150325
They all had very successful past-lives number wise. Though I think am very charismatic and talented, I only have about 5k, so I want to take time to work on my singing and streaming skills while building up a portfolio before trying for Hololive.

>>54150439
ahh Tomopulse, I wish they were still around. They were on an agency rejection bingo someone made

>>54150326
I think its one of those scenarios where you have to make sure your bf is aware and comfortable with what you're doing. If he isn't, you shouldn't be doing it. But some guys see it as the gf's job and doesn't care and supports it. Relationships are built off communication. What one person is okay with, another person might not be, so as long as both parties are ok with it, I don't see an issue.
So if a girl was doing vtuber gfe without her bf knowing about or being ok with it, I'd find that really fucked up.

>>54150492
I’m glad they let the talents say what their past lives were so fans could find them again. I wish more agencies did that.

>>54150569like as an audience member i dont really mind if that relationship stay offline and if the bf´s ok with it im pretty sure he´d appreciate the GFE staying online as well , just a guess though npt really a gfe enjoyer myself

>>54142103
When it comes to Phase Connect I can add a few things that I'm not sure if they are publicly known.
>Very small management team, to the point you could argue is basically just the CEO
>There's special treatment for Pippa, they're strict with everyone but her
>They have number goals to reach which adds a lot of stress to the talents
Aside from that they're a decent corpo everything considered, at least comparing it to other small corpos so if you are tempted to join Phase maybe take these things into account

Skye...

>>54150699
I am GFE faggot and listening to stories what she did with her "friend" disgusts me. If you are using the kayfabe defence then you shouldn't talk about irl at all.

>>54150745
i think for any chuuba joining phase the corpo itself isnt the problem but the aforementioned stigma pippa built for the company which makes it really hard to network and grow

>>54150879
rumao
imagine being stuck with fishman and pippa

>>54150745
can someone less lazy than me create a spreadsheet of points like these for each vtuber agency? then we can know what info we have and what is new.

>>54144853
I refuse to believe it without proof because I would feel so bad about the girls, I want nothing but good things for them, especially Lottie and Miuna...

like i think panko is in phase like she recently raided kiara for the first time after being too scared to do it for a whole year and i assume thats the reason>>54150879

>>54151135
I don't think anyone would even sign that kind of contract.

>>54151135
You shouldn't believe anything posted in this thread without proof

>>54150451
You’ve fallen for that to. Go to social blade and go check them out before debut only 4 could be considered successful. 2 were average but the last 5 all shitters. 2/5 myth and 2/5 council

>>54150569
even if she was upfront about it and the bf was ostensibly aware and comfortable with it, it would just rub me the wrong way. it's like when i hear someone talk about their polyamorous relationship or some shit. im not about to tell other people how to live their lives or claim authority over them, but i reserve the right to lose respect for them.

>>54150041
Main account blocked the fired guy, 3/4 talents still follow the guy and haven't said anything but have activity after it, could be any of the three

>>54151184
if i had to guess why someone might sign...
vtuber agencies dont give you contract until they complete the audition process and say "youre in!"
i think at that point, vtubers who are desperate to make their break into the world, don't have experience with other contracts they can compare to, and have worked so hard to get through auditions, they take it. Maybe because they think this is their only chance to go corpo. Maybe they were promised something grander than their pay cut.

>>54147132
No it's pretty fair. Kawaii management didn't advertise for their fucking 3D. They'll plop you out and that's it. I'd be wary joining Kawaii. With that said don't even think about PRISM. They are so stagnant.

Kek - so much dramaposting and literally no sort of proof of anything.
You all are so thirsty for anything, arent you?

>>54151178
No the reason is she’s a holo. Pippa appeared Fauna’s chat for attention nobody minds. The ones that don’t want raids don’t have it allowed

>>54151400
Yes

>>54137459
give us their name, they won't find out who of the talents it is and they will only make it worse if they ask everyone

>>54151400
0 shit on my corpo so I choose to believe it.

>>54151383
Why are shills trying so hard to say ads caused Idols “incline?”

>>54137459
Lesson learned: Don't join an agency with a female CEO.

>>54151482
It's Niji EN

>>54151318
Thats your morals, and I 100% respect if it made you feel differently about the vtuber you watch. I think everyones entitled to their own morals and supporting those who follow their same beliefs.

>>54151118
I like this idea anon, someone (not me) should do it

>>54151653
>t. random anon
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

>>54151697
we're all lazy lmao

>>54151135
Well..

>>54151754
some tweets or screenshots from the supposed staff that left or the current staff talking shit on a discord server shouldn't be tracked and would have a bit more weight, not that those can't be faked but hey

>>54151835
based but risky. stay safe, you're braver than me

NDA: not enforceable if morally reprehensible
Contract: they’ll be fired and no longer beholden to anything past a non compete which is what a lot of people seem to want.
Non competitive: Can’t keep you off youtube despite what it says so indie life is secured. They rarely work cross country which multiple small corpos are and certain states ban them if they are to broad

The only real fear you can have is being sued but that is also broken if everything stated is true. This is only if your statements are true with no exaggerations

>>54151835
Pretty based. Can you post tits now?

>>54151835
Wow, some sort of possible proof of the bullshit being spewed here. Based femanon.

>>54148773
No one wants to hear about your boyfriend or girlfriend.

>>54151835
They have trannies in PixelLink?

>>54150745
Hi Panko

>>54151835
You really should've made the blackout portion longer.

>>54150945
the darkest timeline

>>54151835
ENHANCE

>>54152155
Don’t worry. It’s not even close to my actual name. Every corpo gets a fake name from me.

alright now we have some proof and statements for PixelLink and ReHope that's not bad

>>54150202
Who are the ones not happy, Kazune, Tomoya, and Nen?

>>54151835
ruh roh

>>54151835
>If you never signed the NDA you are free to post the NDA
Proves you got one, but it is not proof of everything you said being true. Could be like the other femanon that talked about idol only you didn’t sign.

>>54152276
PixelLink is far from bad next to these other micros. They just have shit pay cut, a long exemption or whatever that was called, and have a tendency to lead talents on. I want to bring a little awareness.

One of you fuckers has some dirt on EIEN.
Put it out there already.

>>54152351
I did sign the NDA, but it only included stuff like the models and other projects being leaked. Things like the cut weren’t included so I can share it freely. I’m only proving I was interviewed and spoke with the CEO.

>>54152269
>Every corpo gets a fake name from me
holy based opsec

>>54151653
Thank you for sharing, gonna keep an eye out to see if things align with what you said, best of luck if true

>>54151835
Well shit, I could try to cope and say that this could be fake or you might be lying but I guess I'm gonna be donating to the girl's PLs now instead of through the company just in case

>>54144885
The most I can say about idol is that their management is somewhat new, they're doing their best of course but they do silly mistakes here and there or just look over certain details that could've been solved the moment it was brought up. They will push some projects you could have for months while you just have to wait because they're focusing on growing as fast as they can as a corpo with merch and 3D next month. But yeah if anything their biggest sin is that they usually will bite off more than they can chew

>>54152570
That’s your best bet, I can also share talents get 90% of all merch sales. That’s your best bet.

>>54152418
so you're attempting to harm the current talents by whiteknighting for your friend?

>>54151545
It certainly got a lot of eyes on the debuts. At least management is doing something to support their talents. I think eventually Kawaii gave their members an allowance so they could commission skebs or what have you every month.

>>54152626
>with merch and 3D next month
Holy moly lets fucking go!

>>54150745
is it true gen 3 want out?

>>54152671
Harm? I just shared your best way to support them despite the agency’s own (imo) shortcomings. The talents deserve support, the staff need to learn to quit treating future talents like they are disposable. It’s almost always on management for talent suffering.

>>54152288
them, miori, meru, yuuna, char, amiya, lisa vs the rest (hanabi excluded)

>>54152626
>3D next month
That’s what a little over a year impressive

>>54152702
Every debut does better than the last and their first debuts did not get much attention. En debuts got a huge bump from people trying to find where all the recent graduates would be going among 2 niji debuts, 6 small corpos, and what people hoped would be en3. They didn’t incline until the shorts and the only 2 that actually inclined was due to using shark magic

>>54152987
Purin is never happy.

>>54152987
And that's why all of those that you listed are good people.

>>54152630
Hmm, maybe the 90% merch sale split was the carrot on the stick for the contract. However, that is assuming the corpo won't jew you out of merch as they have complete control over what they will invest in for merch and how often they will release merch. Merch sale for small corpo typically has very small profit margin, break even, or even has a small loss. If the corpo put in money for merch and take only 10% of sale, they are taking some loss every merch release for sure.

>>54152418
Okay so what we have so far is:

ReHope:
> Two statements about the CEO and a mega folder of files, deleted public tweet firing reads like a tantrum, lots of staff left, CEO fucked up on a previous corpo too, at least one of the talents will soon leave, essentially incompetence and exploiting staff and talents

PixelLink:
> Predatory cuts and likely other stuff, at least one of the talents isn't happy about how they're treated, enough to risk it showing the contract here

Nichi EN:
> Some anon said it is OP's corp

EIEN:
> We know there's dirt, just waiting for someone to come out with it

>>54153077
Isn't she Chinese? Makes sense

>>54152731
Yes but they have to work off their debt

>>54153207
Its a bit sad to find out PixelLink is a black company

>>54153242
She's from the Philippines.

>>54153207
>at least one of the talents isn't happy about how they're treated, enough to risk it showing the contract here
they literally said they were someone who didn't make it into the company

>>54153249
debt as in like what the company has already spent towards their models and stuff I assume? How are they working it off?

>>54153242
Worse
She's a flip living in flipland

>>54153314
>>54153334
A flip menhera? I've watched enough Niji to know how that goes

this thread is past bump limit, we should dub a title for a new thread. any ideas? also op pic?

>>54153207
>Nichi EN
whoever wrote that isn't OP. different punctuation in their writing, and niji definitely isn't irrelevant in this context

>>54153422
call it /larp/

>>54153422
/corpo/

>>54153422
this was just a vent thread. not everything needs to be a 24/7 general

>>54153422
/kuro/ for mikurocorpo

>>54153422
lol /kuro/ for all black company nonsense

>>54153330
Models, equipment, rigging, etc.

>>54153422
Just let the thread die I think everything that people wanted to say has been said.

>>54153540
how far along were they into the debut prep? Is everyone dipping or just a few?

>>54153540
They have to pay for the models too?!
Roru

>>54153496
But anon, think of the rrats...

Hi Parrot4chan

>>54153422
Not everything needs to be a gay general, it would just devolve into garbage rats immediately

>>54153322
Missed that, mb

>>54153448
Yeah assumed as much because of the same, but added to the list because that's what's closest to substantial we have

So redone:

ReHope:
> Two statements about the CEO and a mega folder of files, deleted public tweet firing reads like a tantrum, lots of staff left, CEO fucked up on a previous corpo too, at least one of the talents will soon leave, essentially incompetence and exploiting staff and talents

PixelLink:
> Predatory cuts and likely other stuff, leading on people getting recruited, somewhat validated by showing the contract here, more info needed

EIEN:
> We know there's dirt, just waiting for someone to come out with it

+OP's corp

>>54140270
At the risk of sounding like a normalfag or a bleeding heart, I’d unironically recommend the establishment of an NBA like model. Collective bargaining agreements. Regulatory oversight from an umbrella corporation that does not directly employ any company or talent, but helps market each agency and establishes the universal framework under which each must function. Agencies prevented from debuting and graduating talents on a whim. Clear guidelines on things like streaming platforms, sponsorship stream conduct, what sort of behavior gets people banned, etc. Established windows of time each year for talents and agencies to seek personnel changes with moratoriums otherwise. Agencies can trade talents with similar contract terms. Certain underperforming agencies get first right of refusal on recruiting the best undebuted talents via a draft, who will be applying to ALL agencies simultaneously through something like the Common Application.

This would take a shitload of money and more in sponsorships, but if we’ve seen it happen before in pro sports, having the same thing happen in showbiz shouldn’t be impossible.

>>54153831
This nigga is comparing our little niche with NBA.

>>54153802
might as well straight up include cuts.
PixelLink
>70 to company 20 to talent
Phase Connect
>50 to company 50 to talent
Cyberlive (if we're including dead corps)
>30 to company 70 to talent

also whatevers going on with phase losing its gen 3, which I'd love more info on.

>>54153483
>>54153530
I like these

>>54142659
I have a mutual who's part of small corpos said to trust Fuura Yuri because her decision to leave Phase was the right one.
At this point I dont even think bad rumors about her are real and not just damage control from phase. Seeing as how all the other small corpo people still communicate with her, I dont think she's in the wrong.

>>54154042
>>54153483
/corpo/ already exists you fools