/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

who?

I remember this corpo. The Ames.

>>54015006
Mike is fucking retarded lmao.

>>54015006
They can work for 2 corpo?

>>54015059
Michael Cat is the former highest grossing vtuber on YouTube, while Voice-Ore https://www.voice-ore.com/ is a small virtual voice acting corpo with 6 permanent and about 4 try-out members (3 graduations last 18 months).

>>54015006
>少しずつ、本当に小さな一歩ずつ時には挫折も繰り返しながら、声優界で売れていき、スターダムへ駆け上がっていくことを、プロダクションとして目指しています。
ughh is look very scammy Mike fucking idiot please tell me you read the contract

>>54015303
talents freedom

>>54015303
Not a problem as long as the contracts allow it. Considering V Shojo is all freedom it would make sense this is fine.

>>54015006
>Boyisore

I used to watch the two Nabi face girls a while ago, Voice-Ore seemed like a black company.
They never really seemed to give them much support but the girls had soul. This seems like a really bad idea.

>>54015303
Talents are not employed by a agency, but rather are self-employed and contract an agency or agent (often called manager in the entertainment world) to handle certain tasks for them.
So as long as both companies see no conflict in interest there isn't much against that.
Idol agencies are a bit different though. There it's often more akin to a false employment situation, where legally the talents aren't employees (thus have no employee rights and protections) but practically are.

But who knows what will happen.

>>54015495
>seemed like a black company
Those are the only kind that will work with mike

>>54015387
>Mike
>reading the contract
>ever

>>54015303
talent freedom

I was certain she already voiced some minor roles in anime..

>>54015715
meltdown in a few months, then?

>>54015782
Has she had a meltdown since joining Vshojo?

>>54015189
So do any of these girls ever get VA jobs?

>>54015303
Talents freedom

>>54015880
Yes actually, probably half the reason she's investing so heavily back into Mike is literally because VSJ isn't working out for her the way she wanted.

>>54015006
That vtuber job didn't give her enough money she has to work more

>>54016003
I don't hate Kson but she really fucked Mike over by trying to play hero

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRwUjNYJqf8vSZdenQsqHOQ

>>54015963
Yeah, but it’s all small games and stuff like that.

>>54015387
You are naive. If anything its them who are paying her to advertise them.

>joining two corpos
That will totally work out.

So uh… What are the chances she’s didn’t read the contract and signed away the rights to her new model?

>>54016003
>I can't be on Youtube, only on Twitch
This is the part I can never understand, why does VShojo's forcing the talents to be streaming on Twitch?
Do they have exclusivity deals?
Why does Kson able to stream on Youtube then? Is it because one's a preexisting channel joining VShojo and the others (Nazuna & Henya) are newly made solely for VShojo? But then again why Twitch only?

Why won't she join something that is coherent and non-chinky like ReAct or 774inc?

I don't get why she doesn't just stay indie.

>>54016271
Or better yet, Neo-Porte

>>54016254
Vshojo's established by a former Twitch executive. Of course they want to bind their talents on the platform they have in direct contacts with

>>54016254
https://twitter.com/theGunrun
See Bio

>>54016319
Vshojos main mission is to make Twitch grow larger.

>>54016003
Either mike or triangle, but both are menheras and couldn't stay under the same roof

>>54015006
>"Koito"

>>54016271
>>54016308
Obviously somewhat relevant companies don't want her

>>54016308
Kek. Imagine the fandeads rage.

>>54016076
What? Nobody else would touch Michael Cat after her menhera exit from Hololive. And it seems like she's getting ready to bite the hand that feeds her again.

>>54015880
She always meltdown since the day the twink left her. Most painful would be her delusional birthday party

>>54016307
Because she is bat-shit insane.

>>54016254
they don't
zen and mouse have also streamed on youtube
mel streams on chaturbate
henya has said she can stream on youtube but doesn't want to
it's just nazuna who can't because of a "third party" which is either cover or twitch
and if it's an exclusivity contract twitch would be the second party, not a third party

>>54016319
>>54016346
>>54016351
But Kson is an exception, how much bargaining power does she have?

>>54016271
Contract termination mean bad reputation, which is a big thing in JP. Most corpo no longer want her

>>54016307
Mentality of self-employed bad low classed and might as well be unemployed. Many boomers are like that. Sometimes younger people inherit this ancestral strain

>>54015006
Which Hentai will she voice? is NTR at least?

miguel DONT make retarded decisions challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

>>54016470
How about Henya? Something similar is holding her from streaming on Youtube too?

>>54016568
read my post

>>54015006
So, who are these man in her stream right now?

>>54015006
>not one
>but 2(TWO) managers
kek they know

>Twitch is such dogshit that Mike throws away her contract to a company worth a billion dollars for some boondoggle noname corp
Twtichfags, your response?

>>54016470
Yeah sounds like she signed some kind of non compete clause that prevents her from streaming on YouTube for a set period of time when she exited from Hololive. There would have been some favourable terms for her though, like residuals from the Rushia merchandise that was released after she left like the Nendoroid.

>>54016649
they are foolish to believe a measly TWO managers will be contain that level of batshit menhera

>>54016308
niu's got that covered thanks

>>54016584
fml, I'm blind. Thanks for answering.

>>54016470
Haven't you read the new Twitch guidelines?
Unless a twitch streamer sign a partnership agreement with Twitch, they will only receive 40% of the revenue.
Other Vshojos' already get sponsorship so they can stream on any platform they want.

>>54016664
That means she gets paid in peanuts from twitch.

>>54016664
Y-you’re just coping youtube is le shit.
*spams retarded emotes at you*

>>54016702
be able to contain*

>>54016707
Will Grand Moffmoff Tarkin fall for Niu instead?

>>54016608
>>54016649

>>54015006
lmao rest in piss whorejo

>>54016649
Don't stick your dick in crazy, Manager-kun A & B.

My oshi's rm started a twitch business last year and she admitted it was a failure.
Twitch is a place for those who have given up on their dreams.

>>54016723
partners are not twitch exclusive
kson is a twitch partner too

Managers confirming NOT a black contract, on stream

>>54016307
Partially this>>54016459
Mikeneko pass as someone who need legit unironic leash so that she doesn't go menhera 24/7. Worst part of it that she might had turned to self harm and suicidal if no one were to watch her. I pity her during the scandal, but ofc most of those were largely her own fault. "Reap what you sow" moment, I would say.

>>54016889
Anon, I am talking about gaming streams.

>>54016271
What she did was a breach of contract and the most notorious act in Japanese society.
Any well-known firm, if not a major one, would have blacklisted her.
At that point, the only Japanese Vtuber agencies that would accept her are those with little or no name recognition.

>>54016991
literally all vshojo members are twitch partners, you don't need to be exclusively on twitch for that

>>54016416
Coco stuck her neck out for Rushia and this is how she is repaid.

>>54015387
Yeah right lol. She's always done things recklessly, acting more on emotion. There's a reason she normally needs someone like Kson to be her tardwrangler.

Hypothetically, what would it take for Michael Cat to re-join Hololive as Rushia again?

>>54016475
She's literally their only in person talent-spokesperson at cons.
And glancing at the other members, no one outsideouse has even been able to sell the brand.

>>54017074
I would believe it if Vshojo was playing video
games on a platform other than Twitch.

>>54017087
She probably told her to go for it
Sticking by talent freedom and all that.

>>54017211
The whole of Japan’s culture would have to change.

>>54017236
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPBOKp3zV70
stupid

>>54015006
She makes so much fucking money alone, why she insists in giving it to someone else?

>>54016801
if they're gonna be dealing with crazy they're at least gonna want to get something out of it

>>54017211
I don't think even Mike 'The Human Hoover' Cat could handle the amount of dick sucking that would be required for that to ever happen.

There's no way 10k people watching this

Mikeneko should pick a fight with Nazuna

I just woke up, can anyone gives a tldr?

>>54015880
I hope you are trolling
She made a new twitter account entirely to keep her retarded fanbase up with how the lawsuits are going and whom she is suing
Even leaking DMs

>>54017477
Go back to sleep. Seriously.

>>54017477
Some random males are scamming Mike on stream

>>54016470
>Cover
How can Cover forbid someone to stream on YouTube ? You don't think NDA is a magic spell don't you ? I hope you're just pretending to be retarded

>>54017585
>You don't think NDA is a magic spell don't you ?

It is when the people can rape you in court and take all your money away.

>>54016520
A lot of younger Japanese are choosing freelance work over regular employment, though that's obviously not enough to change the whole work culture there.

>>54017211

>>54017585
the NDA doesn't prevent her from streaming on youtube, it makes it so they can't disclose the reason why she can't stream on youtube
put that brain to work

>>54016690
But why would she be allowed by cover to stream on YouTube as Mikeneko/Ria under a different corp, but not as Nazuna? Seems more likely it’s twitch/vshojo enforcing the rules. Or maybe she is allowed to stream as Nazuna on YouTube, and just misunderstood the contract (the Japanese version could be a bad translation that’s more ambiguous than the English version which the other members signed)

>>54016664
Idiots like you have NO idea how corporations are should just really stfu.

>>54017585
Anon? Do you have any clue whatsoever how contracts work, like, in general?
Because for someone saying "NDAs aren't magic" you somehow seem to assume NDAs make up the entirety of the contractual obligations.

>>54016308
Niu would mog her in everything else but singing

>>54017211
An ex-Fanded Saudi prince would need to become a major shareholder and slap all of Cover's middle management in front of YAGOO

>>54017323
kinda ironic

>>54017585
NDA IS magic you retard

>>54017477
She is changing her name to Ria Koito and joining voice ore

>>54016308
Not so fast.

>>54017456
No, she shouldn't because Nazuna would win.

>>54017642
>>54017752
>>54017843
Holy shit actual retards, go study law morons there no such thing, you can't just put any bullshit and it will work legally because it's in the contracts, the only reason she can't stream on YouTube as Nazuna is because as Nazuna she sign exclusivity contract with Twitch
>Inb4 they will win in court anyway because le corrupt system le evil big company

>>54015963
they did partake in small games and such

My wife is not very smart. Please forgive her

>>54018254
Why do you have to sound so prideful about your illiteracy and ignorance?

>>54018254
>noncompetes don't exist bro

>>54018307
Not my job.

>>54017585
NDA are basically like: I won't do this but if I do then you can kill me. And then you sign it.
You break that NDA and there is nothing you can do to defend yourself because you signed it. You are dead bro.

>>54018307
Will your wife hurt the girls I love in this company?

It would be hilarious if Vshojo have no fucking clue about all of this and only now finds out. Typical menhera.

>>54018395
Double-edged sword. She will propel them to new heights that they never thought possible, but will also take a massive toll on them mentally.

>>54018474
I pray for their safety…

>>54015411
>>54015416
If so, the owner of Vshojo is a complete retard and should be avoided if you want a good business partner, but you're welcome to contact him if you want to scam some retard

HAHAHAHAHAHA MIKENEKO PROCEEDS TO JOIN ANOTHER COMPANY TO FUCK IT UP. YOU CANNOT MAKE SHIT UP BRO.

This is the retarded company who had their vtubers unlisted their streams so they barely had any growth two years ago. I am not sure how they are right now but they are legit not good.

>>54017211
A year or two of being on her best behavior, showing that she has changed and everyone at HoloJP approving of it.

>>54018731
Management got better. I don’t know how much better, but I don’t remember any retarded decisions in the past few months of just watching streams.

>>54018254
you're actually mentally retarded fucking hell

>>54017211
Cover being really stupid.

>>54018308
>Says an actual retard
>>54018328
>He thinks streaming in a platform falls under a non-compete
Hello retard what's stopping them to sue Mikeneko then

>>54018353
Are you being serious ?
>>54018937
>Says a brain-dead retard

>>54015006
No one knows about this company, including you.

i have been following voice ore for years now, kogane to be specific. i am so fucking confused, voice ore hasnt been really noticed by anyone unlike that one time where they discovered there's another ame face. i dont know what to feel, i am shocked confused, actually really confused. imagine a big shot joining in your house which is under a bridge, under a rock and telling you "hey can you adopt me?"

>>54019605
I just worry about the flood of new viewers because the past few weeks we’ve already had problems with people spamming shit in the chat in Saki’s morning zatsus and Rena-sama’s, uh, all streams.

>>54019644
This, so many times

>>54019644
Mikeneko is kind of an idiot I bet she joined because she wanted to be a voice actress and this is how she thinks it's done

>>54020605
while i am shocked, and confused, i still see this in a positive light. if her popularity can spread throughout the girls and boost their chances in landing a voice acting role then i am good.

>>54019644
in addition to the voice actress thing she's wanted to do for a long time there's also jp v tubers she can talk to. she's talked about wanting to have a group she can do things with every now and then

not counting their general, there's like 13 Mikeneko/Rushia threads up right now
THIRTEEN
do you retards really need that many fucking threads? fucking christ

>>54015963
Marina is in 774 now.

>>54021050
Don't worry, threads about Mysta are now gonna swoop all of them lel

>>54017203
Kuson roped her into shitty contract with vshojo in the first place.

>>54019024
cope

>>54021050
Too much happened in the last day. It'll calm down soon.

>>54015416
>Considering V Shojo is all freedom
Unless it's about Hogwarts Legacy that is

>>54021583
Didn't Silver stream that game?

If we stop to talk about the menhera meme, she doesn't need the company for the name recognition, she just needs it to take care of business and merch deals and so on (and maybe legal advise). So for Mike this just means she get 2 Managers to help her do her YouTube thing and for the company that means a HUGE get, that they can take to elevate the entire operation.

Also I really hope this means she streams more as Mikeneko on YouTube. Her streams just feel more like Rushia.

>>54021050
Well this is the first one that talked about the actual corpo

holy shit, rushia crawled back from the grave

>>54021647
Freedom to stream it and freedom for fellow talents to harass her for it. Total freedom!

>>54021750
aren't they focused on the voice acting side of things? even that should lead to more mike streams though

>>54015228
No shit Sherlock

>>54018548
So it's better than homofaggot then?

>>54022265
I didn't know that, but as long as this somehow increase her frequency as Mike on Youtube I'm happy

>>54021050
What do you expect from the least sane sane fanbases in /vt/?

Jesus Christ, why is she so dumb?

>>54017272
>>54017087
Kson did say that contracts are what the business is all about. And ultimately, it's Mike's decision

>>54015006
>It's the corpo with Ame's sister in it
Can they withstand 2 menheras of this magnitude?

>>54021050
Remember when the most spammed threads were about Gura ghosting her chumbuds? Good times.

If she streamed at all she would notice she doesn't need a corpo. She needs a damn schedule.

>>54023511
from what I've seen so far they've been a small voice acting company that tries to get their talent jobs on small projects. the v tuber part looks to be a mix of giving them something to do and having something they can point to from their amateur voice actors

>>54024620
It makes a certain amount of sense as a business model, but it doesn't seem like they've been particularly successful up until now. I guess any kind of VA work is better than no VA work if you're trying to break into the industry, though.

>>54025561
They did talk about it on stream that of the 300 thousand voice actors in Japan, only 300 live off of that alone. So they try to do many things at once… not to live off of those, but in order to become a superstar who is part of those 300.

>>54015006
never heard of it. it seems its a very small company with literal 2 views. the 2 views sound utterly boring too.

im pretty sure she wont be there for long unless she has a personal romance with a man in the company.

>>54024609
That's why the company assigned her 2 managers.

>>54015387
ahahahahahahaha!
At least she gave us steady supply of drama
Drama channels will eat properly for several years kek

>>54021647
She confirmed that she got stealth suspension because of that game lol
Talent freedooooooooooooooommmmm MY ASS!

>>54015006
Is she going to buy the company eventually?

>>54015387
its not scam considering its been active since 4 years ago but its just too small talentless and powerless to make things happen. their 2view vtubers actually sound really boring. if the management was good at finding talented ones out or cultivating them they wouldnt pick these 2views.

>>54027039
No, they're eventually taking the rights over her new appearance and name, just wait, and it won't be with malicious intent but to prevent further harm to herself out of pity

>>54015303
>>54015519
I didn't believe it at first........but I guess moonlighting is allowed there in Japan (?)

Kinda like how Matsuri is into Hololive.....while her RM does Vsinging / random stuff on the side

>>54016649
Holy shit they really put TWO tardwranglers for her alone.

>>54016649
Teetee threesome every weekend, her cucks will be pleased...

>>54017335
>>>54017236
>Showing Kson stream
>When everyone know it's only Kson who stream on youtube

>>54015006
What if she streamed for both companies at the same time. But each stream has a different character.

It is possible.

She would mute and unmute the mic when talking to one stream or another.

>>54017952
>Saudi Prince
>Needing GFE
>When they can pay an instagram model to suck their dick

>>54018254
>cover would never make their talent sign a non-compete agreement, that's crazy, you can't just do that, it's not legal you don't know the law you fucking idiot it would immediately get destroyed in court those agreements don't exist you FUCKING dumb cuck retard
>actually twitch is doing that it's fine
what

>>54029207
vshojo member ironmouse plays the videogame "vrchat"(2014) live on youtube dot com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdGyg60gSs0

vshojo member zentreya plays the videogame "fall guys"(2020) live on youtube dot com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2WKTjrkjwk

>>54018827
The problem is the thunder is already gone.
The highest moment for a Vtuber tend to come from their debut and early streams.
Unlisting their content pretty much suicidal and people don't watch them anymore even if they beg.
Adding Michael is not a good solution. Rather than pushing for their own established talents they will let Michael to steal their spotlight as well.

>>54024445
>6 2view girls fighting to become Mike's top sex slave to get numbers and save their careers

jesas

>>54015963
Tiny indie stuff, yeah. The best thing any of them has ever accomplished is jump ship to 774.

>>54030115
You have no idea just how worried I am about them

>>54030417
The best route in terms of pure cynical exposure and dollars is to play into the menhera shit, fake drama, weirdo stuff centered around mike to drive clicks and try and parlay that notoriety into getting the girls hired for ironic subculture gigs. But I don't think the managers would be savvy enough to pull something like that off.

>>54027281
please be real

>>54024445
Why are all Nabi faces including Nabi herself so menhera?

>>54015006
>we want her to stay in VShojo
SHOO SHOO 5CH LARPERS

>>54015006
This menhera can't live without someone ordering her around

>>54030019
>actually twitch is doing that it's fine
a non-compete clause is after you leave you're no longer work with them, a contract like exclusivity means you're still working with them, moron don't reply if you don't even know basic shit

>>54024445
wow, I know none of these faces but rena

>>54031253
exclusive twitch contracts give partner status, nazuna was unable to use youtube from the beginning when she was only an affiliate, therefore it can't be twitch.

>>54031225
And that's a bad thing why? In general, women tend to do their best when they are ordered around. That's why the corpo unironically gave Michael 2 managers instead of 1.

>>54028011
>>54015303
It's not moonlighting.
Virtually none of these agencies employ their talents.
They are all self employed and just under contract with the agency.
That's also why they have to do their own taxes for example, if they were properly employed the company could do it for them.

Some of the agencies might have exclusivity clauses for the duration of the contract, but that's neither here nor there.

>>54031347
and by your logic Cover would be more likely when that non-compete ain't gonna work legally and what's stopping them to use it on Mikeneko ? It's either a contract exclusive for Nazuna from Vshojo and Twitch or she simply lied, the whole new persona when she joined Vshojo is already suspicious when she can just use her Mikeneko

>>54032156
old personas get grandfathered in. new personas have restrictions. cover's business is creating new vtuber personas from nothing and promoting them, so doing the same thing in vshojo would be competing. also non-compete agreements are completely legal and happen all the time in the entertainment industry, even in japan, please stop that retarded rrat that they're illegal. literally just google it.
https://iwklaw.com/newsletter-en/20220112
or i'll google it for you

>>54028011
Matsuri is one of the earliest members in the company, I'm pretty sure her contract was different back then. Cover only tighten up their requirement after Sana graduation.

>>54032432
If pretty bold how stupid people like you can post without fear their own ignorance.

>>54032669
Stop talking about things you have no idea about.
Every Hololive generation has at least one girl in it that streams on another account on the side.

>>54032768
>you're just stupid, you goddamn idiot, my heckin yagoo would never write his contracts to prevent poaching like what he did with luna, why would he even think of that, you dumb moron, businessmen who run a talent agency don't worry about that shit you ignorant fool

>>54032669
Laplus is part of the most recent batch and is more active on her old account than on her Holo persona.

>>54032432
Mikeneko is a new persona retard and non-compete have rules like stealing and copying IP, military secrets, gov secrets, not fucking streaming on a platform that they don't even own, no one says non-compete are illegal or doesn't exist ,you're trying to say streaming in a platform they don't even own falls under a legal non-compete you brain-dead retard, unless they own YouTube or they own IP of streaming or being vtuber (which is pretty much impossible) everything has rules and laws you can just make a contract to make someone your slave and if they sign it then you called that legal, holy shit

>>54033384
mike was around for a decade anon

>>54033406
The model is new isn't that your argument about being vtuber therefore she is "competing" ? And don't just ignore the rest of my post

>muh indie vtbuer
Indiefags BTFO!!!!!!!!!
lmao

>>54033384
Autistchama, when people say "she can't stream on Youtube" they mean "if she streams there she will get sued by Cover and lose a bunch of money", not "she is literally unable to do it because Cover is physically blocking her from having a livestream active on the website".

Hololive is Owakon

I wonder when anons will realize what the D in nda is and that a non compete is another thing

>>54033599
How do you even get that from my post retardchama ?

>>54034131
If you can't understand how your post implies that then you are not a very good writer, therefore probably not a lawyer either. Non-competes exist in entertainment. Fucking boy bands have them. What military secrets do you think those guys know?

>>54034131
nta but look, you can cry all day about how noncompetes aren't real and Cover would never do such a thing, but the fact is you're yet to put up a counter-explanation that is even slightly believable.

Nazuna has the same Twitch status as every other Vshojo member, and every single one of them can stream on Youtube no probs if they want to. Whatever is blocking her, it's not Twitch, so give me a better explanation.

>>54034327
Post a single monetized Youtube stream any of them have done.

>>54033384
Non-competes literally prevent you from working on a similar product - idea being that you don't gain a time-limited knowledge on a market at the expense of your employer.

Seems that the lobotomy didn't really help you.

>>54034327
Anon mike has streamed on youtube on off since only a week after her termination, Nazuna is a separate IP Vshojo made for her that is tied to twitch, she probably doesn't have full ownership of or something. The talents who left Vshojo left scalding remarks already.

>No you see, Cover made her sign a non compete so that she specifically can't stream on youtube and specifically on a new persona, and it also lasts forever
What's with this cope

>>54034414
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2WKTjrkjwk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdGyg60gSs0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiTJu5jMxKM
Nazuna's channel is also monetize but she hasn't streamed there

>>54034426
Lmao fucking retard that only applies to for example high level employee on a car company going to another car company right after they leave that kind of non-compete exists to prevent poaching and stealing "timelimited knowledge" that doesn't apply on fucking streaming and that shit can't last forever, not even mention in this case she was fired

>>54034454
>Nazuna is a separate IP Vshojo made for her that is tied to twitch, she probably doesn't have full ownership of or something.

Let me break this down for you a little bit.
>VshojoJP is asked by Kson why Nazuna can't stream on youtube
>He says it's under NDA and a third party is involved
>emphasizes that it's not because of Vshojo
You
>It's definitely Vshojo that's preventing it

>>54034990
>that only works
It only works on anybody that has a non-compete. Literally 50 IQ.

>>54035007
What kind of NDA she breaks for streaming on YouTube ? How the fuck streaming on YouTube means you disclose some company secret or something, do you even know what NDA means ?

>>54019644
It would be like Messi joining Inter Miami could you imagine

>>54035170
>What kind of NDA she breaks for streaming on YouTube ? How the fuck streaming on YouTube means you disclose some company secret or something, do you even know what NDA means ?

Please learn to read English. The reason Nazuna can't stream on Youtube is protected by NDA, it's not the NDA that is blocking her.

>non compete time passes already and nazuna still doesn't stream in youtube
>anons still think it's cover
At this point it can only be either twitch or vshojo

>>54035161
>Ah yes something like if you sign a contract that you're my slave then you're my slave under a law
Can you retards stop thinking NDA,non-compete and contract are magic spells

>>54035170
"NDA" means "I can't legally talk about that". The details of the contract preventing her from streaming on Youtube are protected by a NDA, which means she and her boss can't disclose what exactly they are. It does not mean the reason she can't stream on Youtube is "NDA", that doesn't make sense.

>>54035315
>non compete time passes already
Source? Have you read her contract?

>>54035337
anon, I've literally had to sign non-competes for basic bitch entry level jobs any high-schooler could get, it's not that uncommon.

No, they're not magic, and it's likely they won't hold up in court if it gets to that point. It doesn't matter because the threat of being sued is the entire purpose, even if you win it's not fucking worth it. Now whether your employer cares enough to attempt to enforce it on you is another question, but your average wage slave is not a high-profile entertainer.

>>54035261
Yes the NDA from Twitch and Vshojo because she has exclusivity contract to not streaming on YouTube as Nazuna

>>54035553
>Vshojo literally says they have nothing to do with it
>anon is still convinced that it's Vshojo, somehow.

>>54035553
Twitch exclusivity isn't kept under NDA, you can freely talk about it (the exclusivity part) if you have one of those contracts. A lot of big Twitch streamers have them and talk about it. Twitch literally advertises them (be sure to check out so-and-so exclusively on twitch.tv!). So you're wrong in that department.

>>54035603
because it the big bad to most of /vt/. mike would have went apeshit if they were lying though.

>>54032669
Who have they debuted after Sana's graduation on the girls side?

>>54016308
Mafu is one of the neoporte co-founders/execs. they will never do something that would revive the drama

>>54035694
True. Nazuna was watching that stream and chatting in real time, too so it's not like she was unaware.

>>54035550
I don't deny such practice and that's only works because common people don't want to bother with a legal case but you're assuming Mike is the same as you, common people may don't want to deal with it because it's waste of time but Mike is not exactly poor and have lawyer and that's her big money on the table not going to a court for a average wage jobs

>>54035903
>just fight the billion dollar corporation in court bro you'll win maybe trust me dude
Sounds like a great idea, look at Roa, she's doing great with her case.

>>54016254
This is so fucking weird right only nazuna has this, the jp CEO implied it is a "3rd party" preventing her from streaming on YouTube, possibly cover but it just doesn't make sense how TF does cover have any power to not let her stream on YouTube when mikeneko literally exists? It just came off as him trying to throw away responsibility to cover with retarded logic.

>>54016416
>Bite the hand that feeds her
Let's be fair here vshoujo hasn't done shit for her

>>54036207
>It just came off as him trying to throw away responsibility to cover with retarded logic.
Anon he said this when being interviewed by Kson with Nazuna watching in real time. What would even be the point of trying to lie about it in that situation? He'd never get away with it.

>>54036207
>>54016254
For the fifty hundredth time, it's Twitch.
The newer Twitch contracts are more strict when it comes to other platforms and monetization.
Henya can't do monetized stream on Youtube, Facebook, Twitcast, whatever else, either.
You can literally google "Twitch contract platform exclusivity" or something along those lines and will find dozens of blogposts and reddit threads about it.

>>54030132
This sounds like a reality show in the making.

>>54019644
Apparently she wants a Minecraft server with there girls she is a 5 view so expect your corpo to blow up or "blow up" because she is also a menhera.

>>54036425
uh anon?

>>54036594
That's old. They went back on that almost straight away.

>>54036644
explain kson

>>54032432
>makes shit up

>>54019644
Well it's not like Rushia has a lot of options for JP corpos if we're being honest. Even then, the only explanation I can think of is that she's feeling desperate to get into the VA market and genuinely thinks this tiny agency can deliver that for her somehow.

>>54032905
>Potching
>Luna
She applied to hololive

>>54016307
its almost indie by japanese standards. the scale of the jp industry is so different from the western industry's. one of the main reasons she joined a corpo is that she finds it very hard to collab with someone else if she keeps the status quo since shes so introvert.

although this corpo doesnt look very good. its definitely the lowest tier corpo.

>>54036781
I'm kinda just baffled that she decided this was a better way to get collab partners than just like talking to Henya.

>>54035405
>Believes in vague posting vshitshow does
>Has no proof that cover has non compete for terminated talents
>Mikeneko exists
You are the one who needs to give out proofs mate.

>>54036895
she is mentally ill and feels slighted that henya can speak english

>>54036110
Meh, you're assuming too much that they will sue or have illegal non-compete in the first place, let's just say you're right then I can only say that Mike is retarded she already talk with lawyer so I believe she also consult with them on this matter, it's easy win case if that's true and will be worth the money you get for winning the case or you also want to tell me "no she can't win the big ebil company already bribed the judge", also what's with Roa? Isn't she has a case with former Niji? I don't recall her case is against big company or sort of

>>54019644
None of the bigger JP vTuber agencies will want her since they fear the blue play button and she doesn't have enough experience and acclaim in the seiyuu world to join a reputable voice acting agency.
Voice-Ore is small enough that they are willing to shoulder the risk and they already do amateur seiyuu gigs she can get experience with, it's a logical step for her. It obviously does feel a bit like she's being "used" though, definitely. They are absolutely seeing this as a chance to make it big and shill their agency, otherwise they wouldn't have gotten two of their managers on stream with Mike to talk about all the amazing things they do for their talents.

>>54016003
She got too much money by being in hololive and now that she sees what she's getting on twitch in comparison, she's not happy at all. Little does she know that it's not a matter of YouTube vs twitch and that she will most likely never get back the amount she was getting before.

>>54036981
>they already do amateur seiyuu gigs
Hardly, I have a feeling she has more experience just by being in hololive

>>54030991
Ame is not a menhera though.

>>54036895
henya has her own "en" connections/circle and very western centric fanbase and just looks active there to mike. its hard for her to join it.

>>54036973
>just do it and hope for the best there's only hundreds of thousands of dollars at stake
You seem like a somewhat logical guy. Surely you can understand how that's a bad idea?
>also what's with Roa?
Roa is a Niji vtuber who has been fighting a court case over slander for 3 years. She has a great case and will probably win but it's being dragged out as long as possible. That's why people often try to avoid court. It's years of stress for a gamble.

>>54037074
When I say amateur I do mean amateur.
They do stuff like small indie games and tiny 1 line background characters in unpopular shows.
But that's still far more than she could most likely find on her own.

>>54036990
Eh probably she is a big spender after all
And she hasn't forgotten her skills to milk superchats yet.... Unless she is giving a large cut to this agency she will be fine and if she lands some seyuu gigs she will have a less voletile carrier planned for herself, let's just hope this goes well this corpo definitely dosent have anything she expects it to have she was asking about 3d, overseas shipping, irl events and the managers were fucking blank I don't know if she is doing this on purpose or what.
Well one thing is that she is becoming a case study for hologirls to not leave the company.

>>54037196
>this corpo definitely dosent have anything she expects it to have she was asking about 3d, overseas shipping, irl events and the managers were fucking blank
That's really the big thing. Mike is pretty high maintenance and is used to an entirely different world.
I don't think she quite understands just how many worlds Hololive or even vShojo are apart from an agency with only around 100k total subs if you add all their talents' channels together.
Feels very, very, rushed and poorly thought out on her part.

>>54016664
>vshitshow
>worth a billion eaglebucks
Lol. Lmao even.

>>54037196
>Well one thing is that she is becoming a case study for hologirls to not leave the company.
It's not even that, she could have succeeded several times over by now if not for constant self-sabotage. She gave up on Nazuna/Vshojo after like a month, she gave up on being Indie, now she's acting like the smallest of corps is going to fulfill all her dreams, somehow.

Even at her lowest points her numbers are still respectable by any reasonable standard but she keeps throwing it away to chase the stars instead. She's her own worst enemy.

>>54037399
>Feels very, very, rushed and poorly thought out on her part.
I'M SHOCKED AND DISMAYED! That's so not like her <snickers>

>>54037196
>Well one thing is that she is becoming a case study for hologirls to not leave the company.
It's definitely not a good idea unless you actually want out like Kson. If you just want to do Hololive but at home you're guaranteed disappointment.
>>54037481
She leaked her twitch subscribers early on and had like 8000-9000 from what I remember, so with bits and higher tiers she was making more than $20k a month before she sabotaged her channel. That's really good money for a streamer but I guess it wasn't enough.

>>54037164
>Surely you can understand how that's a bad idea?
Not a bad idea, like a said it's an easy case and if she even bother to lawyered up to sue antis from 5ch, I don't see why she would afraid if Cover will sue her assuming they are suing her for illegal non-compete and same for Roa's case, a slander is harder to prove that's not even including vtuber persona to complicate things than a illegal contracts,non-compete or NDA and most of the time a black company pulling this shit are just bluffing and never gonna sue because they know they are gonna lose and the case won't get dragged for long because they only need to reveal the contracts for the evidence

>>54038221
Or she can just not risk it at all and not have any problems and just stream on Mike if she wants to do a YT stream.

>>54017272
That's the funny part of all this. No matter how odd something looks if it happens to someonein VShojo, it also tends to double as proof that talent freedom isn't just a saying and is what they actually do. Bad as nyanners, veibae, and silvervale leaving was, it was proof that people who left get to continue using their IP, and this is proof that they won't stop their talents from joining another group in their off tmie

>>54016003
Does she even know what she wants other than more money and attention?

>>54038680
I mean, all three of those had their characters since long before vShojo and there's no fucking way they were stupid to write them over to them.

>>54038782
You say that, but that girl in Phase lost all her pre-Phase stuff when she was terminated too. So it's proof that VShojo does not do that.

>>54037399
Yeah, her problem if definitely that she got used too much to the size and capacity with which Hololive does things.
If Hololive as a corpo and it's management is a 10, then VShojo might is a 4, and this company is so small it might aswell be a 1 or 2. The only thing she'll have going for her is that, since she is the biggest member, I wouldn't be surprised if this small company bends over backwards just to please her. But I don't know if they can meet those specific demands this year or the next.

>>54038715
No it sounds like pretty much just that.

>>54038680
it's funny when people try to use the triple quitting thing to shit on kson
like wow, vshojo is working exactly how she said it does and how she wants the entire vtubing industry to work

>>54038284
Well I mean if she can do it as Mike then it's even more unlikely there is this "they gonna sue for illegal non-compete" and don't give me that BS is only for Nazuna for made up reasons if there is illegal non-compete and they will sue for it then they will sue Mikeneko

Does she even stream a lot as Nazuna?

>>54038980
For the first month she did. Then she saw her numbers steadily drop and how she got more and more alienated from the rest of the company since none of them spoke her language and she stopped.

>>54038782
Everyone in Vshojo owns their models, and Nazuna isn't a special case, Hime and Froot came before her.

>>54024445
>Momo graduated
wtf since when? I remember watching her for a while, I guess that explains why I suddenly stopped seeing her...

>>54038972
No you see, it only applies to Nazuna because she's part of a company.
Ignore the thread's topic, it doesn't count

>>54040087
No it applies to Nazuna because she's new. That's why Mike and Kson don't have problems.

>>54040188
>No it applies to Nazuna because she's new.
Source?

>>54040346
My source is observing how Nazuna has problems and Kson and Mike don't.

>>54015880
Multiple, including one about 4chan

No worries she will join another company again after her contract is expired again

>>54040435
Triangle doesn't have any problems either

>>54040542
Yea she's from pre-hololive too

>>54040542
Because the contract is Youtube. Not Twitch, not Cover, and not VShojo.

>>54040435
>I made shit up

>>54040648
Sounds like bullshit considering kson did the same thing

>>54040704
Where's the lie?

>>54040648
But Nazuna's channel is monetized, you can join her membership.

>>54040878
The part when you made up that there is illegal non-compete for new persona but not old one, if I'm going to make some illegal shit why even bother for such detail just put you can never work again because that's considered competing thus it falls under non-compete clause

>>54041245
>illegal
https://iwklaw.com/newsletter-en/20220112

>>54041428
>Mike can stream in youtube and directly compete with cover
>Nazuna can stream in twitch and compete with cover
>Nazuna directly joined another vtuber company that competes with cover
But it's totally a non-compete clause that specifically forbids her from streaming in youtube instead of joining another company in the first place, which is the point of non competes.

>>54041912
Competing with Cover means joining a vtuber group as a new debut. Mike existed before, so did Kson and Triangle. You can have fine details like these in a contract. It's not just "hurr that sounds like competing to me" they clearly state this shit in legalese.

>>54041428
>Courts generally adopt a balancing approach to assess whether a particular non-compete agreement is enforceable in a given circumstance. They consider a variety of factors, such as the nature of the information to protect, the position and responsibility of the employee during their employment, the scope, duration, and geographical coverage of the non-compete obligation, and compensation provided in exchange for the non-compete. If a non-compete is considered too broad and restrictive, courts nullify the clause for a breach of public policy.
Ah yes this will apply for streaming on a certain platform, Holy retard do you even read your own link ?

>>54015387
How do you think kson got her to sign with vshojo?

>>54042117
No reasonable judge would say that "creating a new vtuber persona under another corporation's umbrella and streaming on youtube" is too broad or restrictive. That's a very particular thing there. Especially if there is compensation involved, which there probably is as Rushia was still moving merch after termination.

>>54038715
Are you implying there's more to life?

>>54040853
Kson only does streams on Youtube as Kson. Coco was under the company, not a personal account.

>>54042066
>Competing with Cover means joining a vtuber group as a new debut
>as a new debut
You can say Mikeneko is a new debut her model is new, just stop retard

>>54042066
>Competing with Cover means joining a vtuber group as a new debut.
The thing she did one month after getting fired? Retard, the point is exactly that, yet she's only forbidden from streaming on youtube. Why would "evil company" forbid her from streaming in youtube but not from joining another group altogether

>>54036594
General Twitch Partners can stream anywhere now, yes, but Twitch still have exclusive Partner contracts that they sometimes give out.

>>54042336
Nazuna is under a company and the channel is managed by vshojo as you can clearly see by the uploads, what's the difference exactly?

>>54042395
>Your honor, Mikeneko existed since a decade ago on NND but I think it's technically new because she bought a new drawing so that's competing because we buy drawings too
Before you type these retarded gotchas try to imagine Cover's million dollar lawyers arguing it in a court. If it sounds dumb as hell, you're probably not making a very good point.

>>54042510
That is correct and those exclusive partners do not have their exclusivity locked under NDA, they can openly say they are Twitch exclusive. Connor, /vt/'s nemesis, is one for example. Nazuna does not have one of those contracts.

>>54039567
30th of September, last year. Went to focus on singing.

>>54042609
She joined a company one month after being fired and she's joining another now, how did anyone ever think it would be a non compete

>>54042254
>Especially if there is compensation involved, which there probably is
Proof ? They won't fire her in the first place if they don't want her to ""compete"" with them
>No reasonable judge would say
>Trust me bro
Mikeneko is also a new vtuber she got a model then debut as vtuber but somehow Mike doesn't count only Nazuna because you can't explain it and it doesn't suit your narrative then you make this made up shit that in their noncompete only the newest persona counts

>>54043302
>there's no proof to your speculation other than logical deductions based on the available information we have
>therefore this completely retarded shit i made up that defies logic and reality is an equally valid theory
not how it works

>>54042609
>Says someone who made up shit that it has to be new persona to counts because he says so when you can still argue it will still considered competing anyway be it old or new persona
Lmao

>>54043377
What's your logical deduction on why she could join another competing company directly after being fired if there was a non compete? And how she's joining another one right now?

>>54040457
pls spoonfeed me

>>54038902
>and how she wants the entire vtubing industry to work
she wants it to be a complete shitshow?

>>54043530
She joined Vshojo with a new persona that has restrictions that prevent her from competing with Cover on their main platform. That is strong evidence for a non-compete agreement.

Her roommate's persona, like every other Holo roommate persona, had no such issues, which suggests that Cover doesn't give a shit about them and allows them to exist without any noticeable restrictions. That doesn't conflict with the previous statement. You can have exceptions for things in contracts.

>>54043377
>Let Mikeneko debut and streaming on YouTube
>Let her join a company shortly after she got fired
>She definitely has non-compete and they pay her compensation based on my "logical deduction"
Kek fucking brain-dead

>>54043839
>She joined Vshojo with a new persona that has restrictions that prevent her from competing with Cover on their main platform.
Cover streams in youtube, twitch and NND so they have no reason to limit themselves to one site assuming they wanted to fuck someone over, the only factor is that they're a vtubing company. Also the point of non compete is that she can't join other similar companies, which she did with no problems whatsoever, and is doing so again and this time on youtube therefore you can deduce there is no non compete.

>>54044087
>Your honor, I am aware that Mikeneko has been a public-facing streaming persona for more than a decade, but have you considered that kek, you're braindead? She just commissioned a new drawing that makes her completely new in all aspects. I rest my case.

>>54044203
>ignores the joining a new company directly after she got fired
Cool non compete clause bro

>>54044156
You don't really get this at all. Non-compete agreements don't always mean "no you can't do that all". They can be written in a way that is more like "you can do that but some conditions apply". If you can't comprehend these basic facts then this discussion can't continue. It's like talking to a child.

>>54044399
She joined a youtube-based company so your theory is retarded anyways, the "evil multimillion dollar company" wouldn't make a non compete that doesn't even accomplish anything

>>54044619
Who joined? A brand new vtuber persona freshly debuted like what Hololive does?

>>54024445
I remember Rena went on full menhera depression mode because Momo was doing well with her Yugioh streams, while nobody watched hers, before she graduated
Mikeneko's presence will probably push her into suicide

>>54044203
You literally can use that argument in your retarded non-compete case because she wasn't a vtuber before therefore not competing and you conveniently ignoring she joined other vtuber corpo which is the biggest issue for a non-compete, retard

>>54044769
You're acting like a contract is writing "Non-Compete: You agree to not compete" on a piece of paper and then she signs it and then later on lawyers argue "hmmm is this competing? I dunno lol". Are you 12 years old or something?

>>54044693
>suddenly non competes don't apply if John Anon larps as John Vtuber
You're arguing as if vtubers had a different court, the real person is joining a company with her name, not as Mike Vtuber Ch

>>54044399
>You know they don't really make a strict non-compete even if they can but they instead make something that suit my head canon like it has to be a new persona and can't stream on YouTube with their new persona even if they are supposed to be le evil big corpo trying to bully their employee but they still give some leeway in their non-compete, trust me bro I know their contract and it will be enforceable

>>54044875
Joining a company in the same market is , in fact, competing. And she's done it twice now, when are the cover lawyers knocking on her door?

>>54044954
You're arguing as if a non-compete agreement in the entertainment industry would completely ignore the entertainment aspect which doesn't make any sense. The vtuber persona is important when it comes to the vtuber industry as a business.

>>54045202
>You're arguing as if a non-compete agreement in the entertainment industry would completely ignore the entertainment aspect which doesn't make any sense.
It's irrelevant because the only thing that matters is that she joined a company competing in the same market, it doesn't matter if she joined as mike or created a new persona, otherwise you could just get away with anything as long as you decide to larp as a new wwe star

>>54045407
Not really. The thing that matters is your specific job, not the fact that you're in that industry at all.

>>54044875
Said a retard who thinks it will only apply based on his arbitrary new persona rule, if you're on a non-compete then we are talking about being a vtuber, it doesn't matter whether it's old persona or new, you can't be a vtuber till your non-compete expired, there is literally no reason for them to make such rules so she can still be a vtuber while on non-compete, you just made shit up to suit your head canon and it's irony you call that a logical deduction when if they are making a non-compete it's not logical to make a loophole for them to use why even bother to make a non-compete at all

>>54044751
>full menhera depression mode because Momo was doing well with her Yugioh streams
No, she went full menhera because she saw her friends whose she's very close with married each other and says she wants to have that kind of happiness as well.

>>54037097
>burp
>hic