/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Stars in general aren't a bad concept, but they scouted out the worst possible land mines. Consistently at that.
>watch a collab
>meet stars
>go to stars channel
>they're not men, they're overly sensitive boys
>one even actually troons out
>fuck this noise
KFP are attractive men and women. They don't want to watch Kiara dress up some girly star "man".

>>53539948
>other anti thread got deleted
>commit more time to making it again
Rent free I guess

Unicorns won, BVTMkeks lost

>>53539948
Makes sense. Very few hololive fans watch the boys and you can see that from the subs / ccv. They've barely passed what the en girls got on the debut week.

>>53540389
>KFP are attractive men and women.
kek the amount of holo fans at cons and meetups says otherwise

>>53539948
based

>I won't pretend they don't exist

What the fuck!?

>>53539948
>If you guys like watching them, please do!
Based orange woman, subtly telling homobeggars to quit whining and actually watch streams.
As for the rest of it, everything she said is entirely logical. Nobody in Hololive would say anything bad about HoloStars directly, that would be against company policy. She correctly recognizes that Stars collabs stifle growth and just cause unwanted controversy. There's nothing to be gained. (Aside from "owning the haters".)
Honestly, I'm sure most of the Stars themselves would agree at this point. The overlap is vanishingly small, and anyone who would want to watch both branches do so already. Collabs may bring a few tourists for the novelty, but they don't stay for solo streams. It's lose-lose. If StarsEN really want to grow, they need to find new audiences. A shockingly large number of HoloEN viewers gave them a chance at debut, but most found out it was not for them. These people will not return and courting them again is pointless.
I respect Kiara for addressing it directly. The other alternative is what everyone else does, which is just to ignore those kind of SCs. But if they were forced at gunpoint, they'd probably say similar things. (Well, they could also go for the classic JP "I'm shy" defense I suppose, but we all know what that means.)

>>53541695
It's kinda hold but the first people to say thing like that were actually the holostars JP. They pretty much had the experience. They never gained view or sub collabing with the girl, and some even lost or got some of their fan go mehera about that (astel).
And well they did their best and kinda were gaining some traction then the tempus catastrophe happened. And let's be honenst now the brand is totaly back to the start, hated, no growth, miserable, it's maybe even worse cause now they are intricaly within the shadow of hololive and that will hinder any potential success forever.
After tempus i am pretty convinced that stars have no chances of success at all, and are pretty much doomed to slowly but surrely completly disapear within the 3 to 5 incoming years, achieving nothing outside loosing time for themselves and the company.
Even Roberu would be honnestly better of leaving and presenting as a commical duo with mea instead of staying a cover contractor nowoday.

>>53539948
Title is bait but honestly yeah I respect it. Essentially the same as Kanata's. Won't Collab with males but it's bad behavior to consider them non-existent.

>>53539948
based unicorns won

>>53542166
Guess Male idols need to be rebranded as something else after all.

>>53539948
in the end you only have yourself to look after. i'm sure it's not malicious.

>>53539948
>thread deleted
>make it again
Shameless

>>53542278
>>53541695
>>53541512
nah, doing what Gura does where she ignores their existence while sending dog whistles that she hates out to her unicorns (specifically attempting to stream over them after not streaming for 2 weeks, purposely letting people know it was not her choice she streamed late, letting people know she doesn't like omegatranny, ect) is based

>>53542166
I can't speak to StarsJP at all since I have no clue about them, but it's looking kind of bad for Tempus right now. (With two of their largest members' future uncertain.) From what I've heard, Cover really didn't expect them to do well, so maybe this is well within expectations, but it certainly wasn't the breakout success they might have seemed like at debut.
I think you're onto something with regards to being under the same label. Male Nijis do well (generally speaking), but that's because the whole structure is different. (Mixed gens, etc.) I can understand that Cover wanted to leverage their existing brand power to boost their new branch, but because of the norms established by the idol culture they themselves have pushed, it would probably be a better idea to simply make an entirely separate thing and plug it on the main channels, keeping them completely distinct otherwise. If you want to go the idol route, you can't half-ass it.
Either way, I just hope homobeggars get with the program soon. This really doesn't have to be a culture war. If they truly want the boys to succeed, just support them directly. Nobody who watches Hololive will bother them, but we cannot be responsible for StarsEN growth either.

>>53540389
EN management was clearly incompetent when stars EN was made. one of their mistakes were hiring people with no experience with japanese corpos and not big fans of the Stars. Despite Magni and Vesper being the biggest bunch, they don't seem like good fits at all. The 2nd gen Stars fit the brand much better

>>53542928
I like Gura a lot, but I'm not sure this idea that she hates them has any root in reality. Maybe she just doesn't care about them at all.

>>53543453
when they were supposed to debut she specifically tried to overlap them after not streaming for 2 weeks. Like she could have streamed any other day or time, but attempted to stream over their debuts specifically and changed all her twitter and youtube bio shit to say she was an idol. She did a lot of stuff right around their debut to make all her schizo fans decide she was against them

>>53543544
All I'm saying is that there's room for doubt. It wouldn't be the first time a fanbase has misinterpreted a vtuber's true intentions due to circumstantial evidence. This stuff reads like kremlinology to me.

>>53543453
It's absolutely delusional, but it's not like chumbuds have streams to watch, so I think it's okay for them to have a little fun on fan fics like this.

>>53543236
Yep i trully believe that hololive and holostars nowoday are strictly detrimential to each others.It's even illustrated within the fanbases with constant infighting when it's not just a cold war. On most place you can put them both without risking infight. They may both success, but not with each other, it have become litteraly impossible.
And nowoday even if the stars success in anyway all the credits will fall into hololive pocket and they will get nothing. Also if hololive fail it probably will put on their head even if they did nothing wrong.
I think cover next move should be to extract each other and separate them. For the sake of both and both fanbase.
The issue is homobeggars, i think that the stars fanbase have grow to have a chronical inferiority complex toward hololive and homobeggars are litteraly the symptom of it. and anyone with a little common sence is seeing that it bring doom to both. Well long time stars fans i know hate homobeggars at an unbelievable degree.

>>53542409
I think so too. the "holostars" brand is kinda cursed. The "holo" part.

>>53539948
Can barely hear anything with volume at max.

>>53539948
If it wasn't for Tempiss HoloEn would have had double the numbers right now. That's a fact. But it's too late now. They fucked it up. HoloEn already peaked and is all downhill from here.

>>53539948
So we're going to do this again?

wawa tatas?

>>53544172
lol, I know you are baiting, but there are people who actually believe that which is just wild.

>>53541695
I gave them a chance at debut. I liked the Raft and part 1/2 of the Zomboid collabs. Watched Gen 2's debuts but 2 of them were extremely annoying and I don't want to risk having to watch a collab with a small % chance of either of them. I only watch the girls on both EN and JP now.

>>53543859
Gura is hyper aware of how people see the shit she does. she said she didn't want to play harry potter because of the controversy around it. I don't think she would be fucking with her bio and trying to stream over the faggots if not to send a message.
Mumei is also based by replying to some question around that time with
>I joined hololive to hang out with girls

>>53539948
You *do* know that by saying these two things she's also admitting that you guys are literally the ones at fault for getting the girls in worse situations? Literally because of you how guys act whenever there's males involved? This shouldn't be a "win" against le homos, it should be a fucking wake up call to change your reactionary ways.

>>53539948
I subscribed to all 4 of the Tempus members on debut. I watched a little bit of Vesper and a tiny bit of Magni, and was filtered by the orange fuck and Altair.
And then the collab spam happened and Tempus 2 happened. Now the homos, both EN and JP, can get fucked.

>>53545658
Same
People forget that alot of people were on their side from the get go, but I think mainly Vesper soured alot of people just by being flat out unprofessional and probably hurt the reputation of the group as a whole.
And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed a couple of the early collabs like the one with Bae.

>>53545505
NTA and a fence sitter here. That may be the case for fans that sperg out. But, what about the fans that just do what they're being told to, which is if you don't like the boys, don't watch them? Do you want to blame them, too?

>>53546036
>but I think mainly Vesper soured alot of people just by being flat out unprofessional and probably hurt the reputation of the group as a whole.
this. he angled himself as the self insert for internet weebs and people thought it was ironic. but when it came out that he really was trying to get into the girls pants (even going as far as to skip milestone collabs with the other boys just to collab with the girls) people got turned away from all of tempus.

>>53540482
>anti thread
seethe harder sister

>>53539948
This whole male collab fiasco becomes a moral projection by people with a certain moral compass at this point. Or maybe it's the point in the beginning.

>>53546118
...no? Not really. If anyone doesn't want to watch the boys then the only thing they have to do is not watch any Kiara collabs with them lol. That doesn't really stiffle growth, it's the mass unsubbing/unmembering because of it that would do it, and of course, the other part of the problem is the attacks and harrassment affecting her mental health, if you don't go at her throat for experimenting with different content then there's literally no issue.

>>53539948
the problem is not only does your fanbase not want to see homostars, but homobeggars will start attacking your fans even more than they already do.

>>53545505
stop being a collab begger oboretai sheep

>>53545505
She's admitting that unicorns actually prevent male collabs. Now they'll do that more.

>>53545505
>Kiara says what we're doing is working
>t-this is not the win you think it is!
it absolutely is. it means my feedback works and i am gatekeeping you cunts succesfully

>>53546630
>the other part of the problem is the attacks and harrassment affecting her mental health
If it's the cheap shots that are regularly being ratio'd on Twitter, even dunked /here/ (usually being done by the fans of the VTuber that is being harassed), then fine. But...
>it's the mass unsubbing/unmembering
Again, if they just do it quietly, do you really want to blame them? Also, if I go along with the usual defense that unicorns are just a loud minority, then said the problem shouldn't even exist in the first place. Only harassment on SNS problems most likely exists.

>>53545505
>>53546630
Why don’t you watch da bois more?

>>53539948
>my mental health
So fucking melodramatic

>>53545505
There's nothing Hololive fans can do. You have big name streamers like Koefficient screaming about Holostars fucking the Hololive girls and calling the fans incel cucks. And this shit bleeds into the streams and every fan community.
We're at the stage where Hololive fans finally started pushing back and saying it's not okay to insert Holostars into every conversation about Hololive while insulting the fans and the girls.
Sadly, the Holostars community is just incredibly toxic and makes the entire hobby not fun.

>Reddit finally turning against homobeggars
>Vespiss and Fagni suspended
>Gura reviving, says hololive is getting stronger
>Kiara confirms Homoshit is number poison
The future is looking bright, Unibros.

>>53547318
>Sadly, the Holostars community is just incredibly toxic and makes the entire hobby not fun.
Ever since Tempus dropped, it's degraded the Stars brand and they weren't even popular to begin with. They were liked, or people didn't care. It's the fucking newfags that keep begging and being retarded in the girls' chats. None of them even watch streams (either side) they just want to "kill idol culture" or some shit. Grade A faggotry.
I'm not getting into defense of either side, but EN stars fans are probably the worst thing to happen to HoloPro as a whole.

>>53546630
When your oshi starts doing more content that you don't like, you start moving away from them. Maybe you don't immediately drop membership, but maybe you watch less streams (since you don't watch these collabs at a minimum). Then when merch comes around, you don't buy the set anymore. Finally you decide you've found another oshi or drop the hobby altogether.
This could all happen without being a unicorn that drops someone at the mere whiff of a male colleague.

>>53548029
This is pretty much what happened to homo cocksleeves like Ollie, Kobo, Ame.
There was no great unicorn riot, people just quietly fucked off over time because they didn't enjoy watching constant cuckstreams.

>>53539948
>I want them to succeed
Why though? Their mere existence is a debuff to the girls success even if she herself doesn't collab with them. Thanks to fuckers like Bae and Kronii, many fans consider the entire brand to be tarnished and have gone on to greener pastures.

>>53548465
It's a really bad look to openly shit and want "hololive" members to fail. I don't think Kiara actually cares if they succeed but she can't really openly say that she wants them to fail.

>>53539948
The EN boys are boring and they don't understand how to carve a niche or grow an audience. Roberu and Astel found a place outside of the hololive bubble that they thrive in, and they are able to succeed without holo collabs.
ie. Fuck off and get some viewers and exposure from small corps and grab 3-view indies chuubas. Get into some T2 esports scene. Find something you're insanely proficient at like how Azki is with Geoguesser.
Holostars EN is by far the most retarded because both their talents and fanbase are trying to cannibalize an audience that wants nothing to do with them.

>>53548465
Probably because she's not a psychopath that feels its normal to hope for other people to suffer. Normal people don't actively wish for their coworkers to fail when they haven't committed any crime other than exist. I swear sometimes this board forgets there are real human beings on the other side of these avatars. It's totally fine to not like certain content, but wishing ill on people for breathing the same air as your oshi is kinda fucked.

>>53546253
That's a load of shit though. HE NEVER SKIPPED COLLABS TO HANG OUT WITH GIRLS. Give me one, just ONE example. There is zero proof of any of these bullshit accusations that you retards throw out. Which is why this shit fucking sucks. His reputation is completely in the shitter because fuckers like you spreading unfounded rumors that he avoided genmates to hang out with girls. He did one collab he already promised to do that had literally everyone from every branch participating. In said collab he was paired up with Astel and Iofi. He tried his damnedest to ignore both of them, but Astel being a kusogaki helped bring vesper out of his shell during the collab. But that's the other problem, no one watches them, so it let's these bullshit rumors spread like wildfire.

>>53547318
Come the fuck on, don't act like you guys aren't just as toxic. You scream about how you're being cucked by anime boys and harrass them in their chats, harrass the girls that collab with them, and shit on their fans. Homobeggars are harmless compared to the unicorns acting like that soijack image of the tranny that beat his wife over the head with his dilator while standing their proudly like he's in the right because she dead named him or something, but instead it's because one chick that you thought was safe decided she wanted to stream with a holostar.

>Holostars is a part of Hololive
What did she mean by this?

>>53548463
Well since tempus debuted an actual ton of people silently left, and are still silently leaving. You barely see any attack against the girl, you can litteraly count them on one hand if you ignore this god forsaken place that is /vt (and probably most of it is just (you) farming).there is a huge amertume against the stars that is rising to an uncontrolable level, even reddit is totaly floding RN. The disapearance of vesper and magni were just the opening of the floodgates who wake up the sleeping best in most of hololive fans. This thing will end VERY BAD, that is for sure.

>>53550057
>it's just a loud minority
>only antis that don't watch streams that browse /vt/
>but, if that does happen, then they deserve it

>>53548969
I blame Mori

>>53539948
>It would be nice if they were also earning a lot of money like us
>But I'm not gonna sacrifice my earnings for that
based

>>53541695
>A shockingly large number of HoloEN viewers gave them a chance at debut, but most found out it was not for them.
Yeah that's pretty much how it went for me. I gave them a chance, but their streams are boring. They're meant for girls any way you look at it. One of them sounds like the softest little pussy faggot in the universe, another one of them has a fucking daddy ASMR voice, pretty sure a couple of them are genuine fags with how they act. It just ain't for me. ESPECIALLY if they're not gonna play interesting games.

>>53550806
this, actually a little bit of a Vesp fan since I'm also an oji-san and it's just funny to have one in this position. but I can't side with the homobeggars, their fantasy that every woman is oppressed in every situation is too much to bear when literally brought to the table of the club where boys hang out to look at anime girls because feminism fucked up real women with 17 different power fantasies with a side of casual acceptance of criminality. it's also a weird fantasy that willing employees are oppressed, yes being rich is optional.

anyway ty based truth teller kiara

Ay Tone, if this Takanashi Kiara is so smart on growth, hows comes it's going to take her over 5 years to hit 2 million subs? Something about dat just don't add up.

>>53547318
Proving the point by calling Holostars fans "toxic", Koefficient felt the need to speak up because he say instances of bad acting same as i'm calling you out right now, I'm going to isolate friction between the fanbases to people like you I won't generalize Hololive soley fans.

There's also people that would like to think they're Japanese like >>53547773 who are also trying to drive a wedge with a narrative as well.

Watch homo streams instead of homobegging
You dont even know that there are 1(2) streaming right now

>>53551568
Kek, gottem.

>>53551568
Uh, unicornbros our response?

Watch Kiara streams instead of talking about how hardworking and unicorn friendly she is then maybe she'd be able to tell YAGOO to fired the STARs.

>>53551568
KEK

>>53551568
Fucking destroyed

>>53551568
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO

>>53551568
Absolutely savage

>>53551682
>200 and 300 viewers
Why would anyone collab with these parasites? Why dont homobeggars watch streams

>>53551568

>samefagging at exactly 1 minute apart

>>53546253
Yea I didn't sub to all 4, but I'd given Vesper and Magni a chance and even tried to watch Altaire's Hades streams in the beginning Because I thought they'd try to be their own thing, but no, they were chomping at the bit for holo collabs instead of trying to be their own thing, that soured me on them permanently.

>>53552199
It's the Egg way

>>53551568
KFPbros...

>>53552199
Will he break the record this time?

>>53551568
BASED

>>53544419
Tempus simply existing are not responsible for holoEN losing so many viewers but if they released EN3 In good time instead of focusing on males it's not that much of reach to think they might have held on to far more viewers than they did. In the end this theory all comes down to whether you think they dropped all attempts to find new girls to rush out males.

>>53552309
He already did
>>53479688

>>53552410
What causes this phenomenon? Also if we bring up kiwifarms this time will it have the same result?

>>53540482
how is it an anti thread? he's just posting fact

>>53552735
Anyone making a thread with a phone filename is a anti with 0 exceptions

>>53544419
but it is true

>>53543453
she doesn't hate them im sure, anons here just like doing making shit up and desu its funny

Tempus is cancer and should be destroyed, they're leeches, they contribute relatively nothing to hololive, a dead weight

It's amazing how sides are trying so hard to spin this in "their favor" and talking about how the "other side got mogged" when everything said here is perfectly reasonable, respectful, and all in all positive and supportive
Like, as a Stars(primarily JP) fan? This is cool and appreciated.

>>53552792
that makes 0 sense

>BVTM cucks at it again

>>53552375
They obviously couldn't find enough new girls worth a shit for an EN3 at the time. Having to remind everyone EN auditions existed proved this. Do retards expect Cover to materialize qualified girls out of thin air?
Meanwhile, they already had like 6 homos ready to go when HQ debuted, which is why VG debuted so soon after.

>>53553459
Phone filename = using airplane mode to ban evade
How is that hard to understand?

why can't these holostars just play games and be a fucking bro, why the tranny shit and "oh i wanna leech with the women!" like fuck man i just want an xqc chuuba

>>53552375
>whether you think they dropped all attempts to find new girls to rush out males.
which, nobody has proof that they did but have all convinced themselves is absolutely the truth and have spent the past year seething about it

>>53553720
that's a stretch, you can easily ban evade on pc too

>>53552539
Being a mentally ill anti whose only purpose in life is to make others as miserable as he is. So he sets out to destroy anything people might like

>>53553683
>>53553845
692 days since council
>They just couldn't find any good girls it has nothing to do with them chasing their own Luxiem
Pathetic deflection. Any girl looking for a corpo applies to hololive, if they were actually looking they could have filled EN3 two times over with quality talents that have debuted in small/medium corpos over the last two years and that is not even taking into account the literal who's they give a chance.

>>53554226
I'm sure you're able to show proof of how many applicants they had, the specified qualifications, whether the applicants met them, etc etc etc

>>53554226
Tell me, from the small corpos that imploded where the girls in them went indie, who was looking to join hololive?
You poachniggers expected girls like Pikamee, Amiya and a number of other girls to join, and even pestered them about it, and they told you to fuck off.
Not everyone wants to be under the thumb of a Japanese corpo stuck in perms hell or forced to do idol shit.
And the other way around, Cover probably wants to be more careful of who they hire so they don't have another Sana or <insert girls who barely stream here> situation on their hands.

>>53554564
I can provide about as much proof for that as you can for this
>They obviously couldn't find enough new girls worth a shit for an EN3 at the time

>>53554564
>>53554619
Are you also excited for the new Tempus vsinger? It’s making me go POG!

>>53545505
she is literally saying we won and saved vtubing from the faggot hoards.

>>53554646
That wasn't my claim and I think claiming that is also retarded
I think it's reasonable to be annoyed at the lack of a third EN generation, but at least keep your gripes in the reality that you know instead of making up more things to be mad about

>there will be girls in EN3 who joined just because they want to fuck tempus
we've gone full circle now

>>53553876
how?

>>53543241
What does it say that their 2 most successful Holostar EN talents are the ones that don't fit into the mold of their (objectively) failure of a JP male branch?

>>53554854
if I tell you we will die

>>53543963
The one error Yagoo made. A forced one, but still.

>>53546630
if a girl is collabing with homos she is making content I do not want to see, in which case I will take my business and limited time elsewhere since I really do not have the time to follow more than one vtuber

>>53545505
If her fans are not interested and she recognises that fact and lays it out for you that she considers it bad for her "personal growth" what is the problem. You can't browbeat people into wanting to watch your boys, it's not a toxic behaviour that needs to be corrected, it's a preference.

You homobeggars acting like the girls have a gun held to their head are embarrassing as fuck. How many times does she need to say it? Watch them, enjoy them, stop trying to force them where they are not wanted.

>>53554619
HoloEN is LITERALLY the major league of Vtubing and what started the craze in the west.
Who the fuck wouldn't want to join? The money alone is probably more than enough to convince anyone who has any interest in streaming.
Aside from the massive amount of 2view indies out there we saw the rise of IdolEN in the past year with something like 3 gens and enough decent hires that would've worked well enough in HoloEN.
>Cover probably wants to be more careful of who they hire
yeah instead they hired Fred Flinston who got himself suspended in his first 3 months and a gen of 3view shitters who are still less profitable than the girls who don't stream. Amazing.

>>53542928
Get off the juice bro. I'm concerned.

>>53555761
>Who the fuck wouldn't want to join?
Permissions autism.

>>53555761
>permissions
>very vocal schizo subset of fanbase
>large pressure upon your every action and word
idk there are some good reasons why talents wouldn't want to join holo

i watched the homos on their debut, i had nothing against them, but in my midn if they collabed with the girls i would stop watching because i did not watch hololive EN with those expectations, i watched it first for the girls and the bubble they where in, i watched the boys before they tried to collab with EN, i liked that they where bros, but if they where in their bubble they would never had any problems just like JP, idols from our side are supposed to dont collab with males and get popular and get rich, tempus had that chance for being the male counterpart of idols, give BFE and collab with JP stars, they fuck it up thinking they are nijisanji and from there is game over, hololive EN management didn't know what an idol was and what the public wanted and so the Stagnation begin for the 2 branches, but i think is Yagoo's fault, he should have learn't from his past mistake and did not, thinking that the west was different from the east will be his biggest regret and from the all the girls that never signed up for this.

>>53556209
>>53556025
>Genshin shitters
Just say you are chinese anon no need to falseflag

>>53556290
>genshin
Try fuckin Castlevania or Metal Gear Solid

>>53556025
>>53556209
Permissions really don't matter as much as you think they do when they get an audience of multiple thousands essentially for free. The idea they didn't get any decent applications because of slightly more restrictive permissions is ridiculous.

>>53556350
You already confirmed that you are chinese anon no need to double down

>>53548029
Pretty much described how things went with me and nijien. I loved the branch back in the lazusydia days and was really supportive of luxiem becoming a thing.
Then the entire culture changed, the fanbase went to complete shit, and I drifted away from several chubas that used to be my oshis.

I learned the hard lesson that day. Gatekeep your hobbies. Gatekeep them hard. If a holostars fan can come and appreciate hollive for what they are then cool, they're free to sit at the table. But the moment they start saying the culture is bad or the girls need to tailor their content to them they can get the fuck out, and the same goes for a hololive fan at a holostars table.
Kiara is based as per usual for doing what the other girls lack the spine to do and saying what needs to be said. Nothing rude, but some hard lines drawn.

>>53556602
Enjoying two of the most famous franchises in gaming history means you're Chinese

>>53556681
Its so famous and popular with vtubers that nobody, not even indies are playing it

>>53555761
>Who the fuck wouldn't want to join?
Literally just gave 2 examples. Go SC Amiya and ask her why she didn't want to join Hololive.
>IdolEN
Do you even watch them? They aren't a Japanese corpo, and they really aren't idol-like at all, which is exactly why girls like Yuko went to them instead of Hololive.
>homos
No one expects homos to be more popular than the girls. Whatever you may think, they're more successful than homoJPs, which is who Cover themselves gauge the by, so it's probably still a win in their book.
Minus Vesper being more of an autistic fuck than they realized, but not like they could've known that from his orc streams.

>>53556475
I mean, good job ignoring the other reasons listed too
But yeah, streamers tend to really, really enjoy fewer(if not zero outside of what is restricted on the platform) restrictions on their choices of streaming material
Not everyone is a huge numberfag, there are people who are willing to settle for a smaller presence for a more enjoyable, lax experience

>>53556804
Well, that's because Castlevania is fucking dead and MGS has been dead for a while
I bet you the MGS3 remake will get a fucking whole bunch of people playing that one, though
They were just examples, though, the general point is that having to go through managerial processes to obtain explicit permission to play every single fucking game is a massive headache and extremely stifling
You notice how Holo has an extremely limited selection of games they play regularly? You think that's really by choice?

>>53551568
hello brownvtmemes
why are you hiding your skin color? could it be because you're a shitskin nigger?

>>53550057
our behavior is justified and good since we it directly saved vtubing and holoEN and Kiara and Mumei both acknowledge our behavior drove them to make good choices. Hell, out behavior protects Gura and IRyS too since Mori and Bae won't dare try to force the faggots upon them

>>53557090
And you are willing to throw away your chance at joining the biggest vtubing corpo for that? How does it feel that women aren't as retarded as you

>>53550786
Kiara is one of the more realistic girls in that she knows holo won't last forever and wants to make as much cash now as she can so she won't need to get a real job

>>53557330
refer to this
>>53556878

>>53556878
I ignored your other reasons because they were even more stupid than the permissions thing.
>very vocal schizo subset of fanbase
>large pressure upon your every action and word
Every vtuber deals with schizos, them being more numerous due to the larger fanbase in holo is not something that is going to put off any prospective applicant, especially with all the benefits joining holo affords.
Even if there are some who would rather avoid the spotlight and restrictiveness that joining holo entails, it doesn't even matter - there are far more who would deal with it for the sake of their career. They are not starved for applicants.

>>53556620
NijiEN existing is the perfect example of why most people gatekept Tempiss and the collabs so hard. It's the perfect proof of how things can go to absolute fucking shit overnight.
Especially considering at some point we had half the branch collabing with them, mentioning them every other stream and the whole HoloPro crap that suddenly forced the homos into every girl social media and community.

>>53539948
Orange woman forgot collab with rival corpo in EN also kill growth

>>53557636
>They are not starved for applicants.
Yeah, I'm sure all those trannies and girls with the personality of a tampon are all totally worthwhile hires

>>53548465
If she said that EN management would murder her

>>53557775
So true sis

>>53545505
It's your fault for not giving tempiss enough money

>>53539948
Kronii's merch sales were all anyone needed to see

>>53544172
Sad but true. Resources spent for tempiss could be used to help EN women, which bring more profit

>>53557636
If you don't think that Holo has a much more vocal, much more enabled section of schizos then you're deluding yourself. One look at this board, let alone other places, and you can see the way things are.
It's funny how much you think that every vtuber has massive numberfag tendencies, too, especially because small corpos aren't doomed to obscurity forever. A lack of restrictions, especially for streaming, a profession based largely on your own enjoyment of what you're doing, can be a HUGE draw.

>>53558168
I'm not denying those kind of people exist I am saying it is wholly irrelevant to holo being able to find enough decent applicants for an EN3 in 692 days because obviously they could have if they were actually looking.

>>53558382
And I'm saying it's less obvious than you think, enough so that it warrants proof of your statement.

>>53558168
>holo has the most amount of schizos
Tempusanjisisters? Our response?

>>53557636
nta i do agree with you, but you underestimate how much income you can make as a decent 3view indie, even 2views get sponsorships from time to time. even the runts of idolen gen1 have made thousands off donothons. and while you may say that for every successful indie there's 500 failures, while you'd be correct, cover isn't going to hire just anyone. they have demonstrated a strong preference for established creators. if you've gotten to the point where joining hololive is an actual option, you're going to weigh your options carefully.

>you shouldnt join a corpo because it has antis
The goalpost moving of this retard is making him build a whole 2nd stadium

>>53558543
>Niji has a schizo
>This means that Holo does not have more schizos
you are very smart, anon

>>53558168
Yes sure there are some people who maybe enjoy that but you're absolutely delusional if you think that there isn't a massive amount of talents in line to try and join Hololive. Like really it's pretty much the peak of Vtubing as a career. If you don't have any fucking ambition the massive amount of money involved seems enough to convince most people. And while you have restrictions you also have talents who fuck off and don't stream for 3 months.

>>53558557
Again like I said >>53558382 of course there are those that will want to stick with the indie/small corpo route for all sorts of reasons, but it doesn't mean many many more are not also trying their luck getting into holo. Funny you should mention Idolen, I would be very surprised if some of those girls had not put in applications to holo and gotten sick of waiting considering most of them are fans and have expressed as much.
>they have demonstrated a strong preference for established creators. if you've gotten to the point where joining hololive is an actual option
talents with some experience sure, but it's not like you need to be big to get into holo, in fact In both myth and council I would say those who have large established rm's are the minority.

>>53558591
Ermmm...?

>>53559944
>Niji has TWO schizos!!!
Now show all the Hololive schizos on their announcements, like the one where they said not to harass their talents
Also
>deflecting to niji schizos when I meant that Holo has more vocal and enabled schizos than small corpos like IdolEN, Phase, Vshojo(i.e. Pikamee), aka where the “EN3 candidates” all went
You are very, VERY smart, anon

>>53555557
Arent they? You fucks go into a frothing rampage at the mere mention of a male coworker. Yall too quick to brand her whore and that's just for starters.

Now say again what you said.

>>53539948
Kiara knows unicorns will destroy her

>>53563153
Inb4 "and thats good".

>>53562090
you can make a entire thread about these hit image limit

>>53563267
>more Niji schizo deflection, continuing to miss the point
>could easily make an entire image limit thread with Holo schizos too

>>53563311
retard

>>53563311
You're free to post them

>>53541695
>Collabs may bring a few tourists for the novelty, but they don't stay for solo streams. It's lose-lose. If StarsEN really want to grow, they need to find new audiences.

>>53541695
>subtly telling homobeggars to quit whining and actually watch streams
That's the problem, they don't. They expect the men to pick up the slack for them, like women's soccer and the WNBA. Nothing against them or the Holostars but the beggars can't complain if they don't put in the effort of watching them. If they can promote their Kpop bands on Twitter nonstop they can promote their fave Homos without asking for help.

>>53556290
Not every difficult game perms is Genshin you nignog.

>>53539948
https://streamable.com/hks3b7

>>53563580
Pretty much this. Collabs are temporary.

>>53546630
>It's the mass unsubbing/unmembering because of it that would do it

There's literally nothing wrong with this.

No one but me can tell me where to spend my money and time. If I don't want to subscribe, member, SC, or buy merch from homocollabers, that is entirely my choice.

People who try to morally shame other people into spending their money and time will find it has the opposite effect.

>>53563580
>posts someone who is currently suspended/under investigation and is getting terminated soon

>>53563311
He's basically proving your claim wrong that Hololive has more vocal schizos. NijiEN has a more volatile schizoid fanbase ever since they basically pandered to mostly women last year.

>>53564089
How does that prove that Holo doesn't have more vocal schizos than IdolEN, Phase, or Vshojo?

>>53564121
dannybros... not like this...

>>53564121
I mean, Vox had to change residence twice now because he was afraid as shit one of his fans will murder him over a bowl of pasta

>>53564083
Cover doesn't do stealth suspensions nigger

>>53551568
Because despite her shrewd business acumen, she's unlikable in the extreme and grating to the ears.
>Actually, if you would watch her streams you would find she's gotten much better these days!
Shut the fuck up KFP. No one cares.

>>53564255
>Vox
Anon, let me repeat myself
How does that prove
That Holo DOESN'T have MORE vocal schizos than
>IdolEN
>Phase
>Vshojo
(Note that "NijiEN" is NOT listed here)

>>53548465
>debuff
Numberfags need the rope. And you will never be free of the SEA odor that clings to your soul

>>53564255
proof?

>>53564275
I never said they do? They very clearly announced both of them are suspending activities until further notice

>>53564376
Are you arguing which of your 2view companies is the smelliest turd?
I dont understand what you are fighting for here
Idol has the yukocord which still to this day wants to kill some black guy
Phase is kiwifarms lite with bvtm shitting up the entire board weeks at a time
Vshojo should be schizo free now that nyanners left

>>53563133
Easy to attack the actions of the few schizos who send condom money supas and sperg out instead of the vast majority who are just not interested and might get filtered.
The "for my mental health" part is probably aimed at the former but the "and personal growth" part is her acknowledging that homo collabs are not popular with the bulk of the holo audience. The gun to their head doesn't exist, the tiny minority that actually make a fuss are easily ignored, they barely register outside of here.

You faggots need to stop assuming all the girls are just desperate to collab with the males if not for the evil unicorns. To the extent their actions are constrained it is entirely self imposed because they know what the fans actually want and it is not your boys.

>>53564121
The difference basically seems to amount to fans being just angry in Hololive's fandom, to fans actually doxxing talents by exact location in NijiEN with Zaion when she was terminated and Vox when he just posted some pasta, sending death threats to Reimu, forming a Google doc of every infraction Nina did, basically the most schizophrenic fanbase ever cultivated in the west.
I also don't know why you're so desperate to paint Hololive as a fanbase of schizos. Did you forget how early on in Phase's lifespan Pippa went full on Kiwifarms pandering? That was easily a more volatile fanbase than anything HoloEN could hope to muster up until it grew big enough that they were shoved to the side.

>>53564557
>vshojo should be schizo free
>kson
>nazuna
DYRBI

>>53564614
Look around. Every few days or so, there'd be a post if not a thread "reminding them whores who pays her bills". Yes, introversion exists. But its also being used as an excuse by these assholes. Why stagnate their social skills instead of letting it grow? Eventually, she'll run out of females to interact with.

Also, take away the money and what are you? Go on, answer me. Truthfully. Try not to be some Duke Nukem wannabe.

>>53564557
>what you are fighting for here
Read the reply chain
My point is that Hololive's heavily vocal schizo subset of fans is a possible reason that could've dissuaded girls from applying for Holo when in small corpos like IdolEN, Phase, or Vshojo, they wouldn't have to consider dealing with those people on a daily basis
>>53564683
>More NijiEN when that's still not the point
As for Pippa, that's her prerogative to have basically invited those fans into her base
I doubt the other Phase talents, or other girls applying for Phase, are really concerned with that demographic becoming their own, as opposed to with Holo, where you KNOW you're going to have to deal with schizos screeching at you if you do something they don't like

>>53543236
I'm more of a Nijifag but I'm under the impression Holostars is hurt by its association with Hololive more than anything. Female fans of male vtubers are hesitant to support Stars because they don't want their money going towards a company whose primary product will always be female vtubers. And male fans will always only see Stars as a side option when the girls aren't streaming, very few male fans actively choose to watch Holostars over Hololive.

If they wanted a "unified" fanbase they would've needed to go the Nijisanji path of a mixed branch from the start. Having two separate branches of the same company just creates animosity and bitterness within the fanbases. The other option would've been branding Holostars as something completely different and entirely separate from Hololive, like what 774 and Brave Group do with their various vtuber companies, so fans could be assured that they are financially and culturally separate. Feels like Cover chose the worst possible option by attaching Holostars to Hololive in all but name while having the female talents treat them as pariahs.

>>53565036
Pippa is the entire company, how can you be so disingenuous to claim that her fans wont latch onto other talents when they make for 99% of their viewers
Stop posting

>>53564683
Yeah absolutely. Twitter troons and beggars have pushed this fucking retarded narrative that if you don't watch za boiz and don't want for HoloEN to turn into NijiEN you're a deranged schizo incel ready to murder your oshi.
It's painfully clear nowadays that these mongoloids are more interested in fighting some retarded culture war against them unicorns than actually watching and supporting the talents. And the result is in front of our eyes. The homos are 3views and HoloEN is doing worse than ever numberwise. NijiEN with their mixed gender collabs is absolutely collapsing and filled with mental illness.
They genuinely believe idol culture=fat otaku ready to stab his oshi not realizing how insulting that is for Hololive and girls like Sora or Kiara.

>>53565036
the phasefag outs himself

>>53564913
>Look around
Where, on /vt/ ?
>Every few days or so, there'd be a post if not a thread
The horror. This is what happens when you think what happens on this board matters. Kiara hasn't come to her position on male collabs because of mean threads on this board. Gura didn't blank them because of the sentiment here either. They have their pulse on the wider fanbase and know it isn't something their audience is interested in, simple as that. Accept it.
>introversion exists. But its also being used as an excuse by these assholes. Why stagnate their social skills instead of letting it grow?
Actual homobeggar holy fuck. Not interacting with the males is not going to stagnate anything, we will have some new girls to freshen up all the dynamics soon enough.

>>53565195
>NijiEN with their mixed gender collabs is absolutely collapsing and filled with mental illness.
Nah, NijiEN is doing fine in terms of numbers. They have much smaller numbers than HoloEN, but they usually have 5 or 6 people streaming at any time while Holo might have 1 or 2. Luxiem may be collapsing but that's unrelated to cross-gender collabs, they just don't fucking stream.
We don't want your schizo Holostars fans in our fanbase anyway, please keep them.

>>53565305
I've never watched a fucking phase stream in my life and the only ones I know by name are Pippa and Tenma

>>53565079
Well early days of Stars they had the issue of people being a deranged at they claim here but actually going after the talents directly with harassment campaigns they they could actually see and not be vanished into shitholes like this site and 5ch.

I honestly just really don't care who I watch I watch what I want. And the big issue with many of the males is
1) I'm very much on a JP friendly schedule due to working overnights so most of them are not streaming at good times
2) Game Pick as even if I want to watch the Stars be them EN or JP they just have mediocre game choice (although this also plagues the girls as well) as my tastes are weird and I rapidly tire of FOTM type games even if my Oshi plays it. And with FOTM games I may hard bounce a massive amount of potential streams because I'm so turned off the game being played.

>>53551568
Because it's possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That's life.

>>53565365
How do you know that they dont have the most vocal schizos then?

>>53565589
Because I've seen this board and this board also doesn't shut the fuck up about twitter and reddit so I have a decent idea of what schizos are like there because of that

>>53551568
her model is ugly

>>53539948
Again we already know her stance and viewpoint
Stop making shitty bait threads and leave the chicken alone. Threads like this are what make her sad and on edge. You people fucking suck.

>>53556256
>give BFE and collab with JP stars
You lost me here
Stars jp does not do BFE like at all. It is part of why their growth is stunted. Not that you need bfe to succeed as a male chuuba.

>>53564614
>You faggots need to stop assuming all the girls are just desperate to collab with the males if not for the evil unicorns. To the extent their actions are constrained it is entirely self imposed because they know what the fans actually want and it is not your boys.
It's especially funny when the beggars assume Kiara is just afraid of backlash, as if Kiara hasn't been doing what the fuck she wants for years, no matter the CCV or other metrics. Just an example, she started playing GTA4, a game she's not allowed to have SCs on for, a game far less popular than the other 3D GTAs, because she wanted to play it. She has interacted with many males, on and off screen, hell, she literally calls on of her friends a rental boyfriend, brings him over all the time to her place for this and that and tells everything with a smile on her face afterwards. Any talent fearing unicorns would keep it under wraps, but she doesn't. If she wanted to collab with Tempus, she'd have already done so, consequences be damned. Yet she didn't and will continue to not do so, as evident of the clip in the OP. If that's not proof that the girls are free to do what they want, I don't know what is.

>>53539948
Based wawa
If all Tempus are like Bettel
Be popular by themselves
I will respect them
Sad most of them are shameless leech
They can't help themselves to beg for collab with girls

>>53565954
This is like her 5th times saying it, antis will never stop.

>>53551568
The actual answer is that she was the exact opposite at the start when it mattered most. She came in with a very large chip on her shoulder and tried to establish things her way with her very in charge type of approach when nobody knew her at all. It's been years though and even though she's done a complete 180 on a lot of things and chilled out a lot she'll never fully leave behind how much of an annoying piece of shit she was the first year or so. Also her voice is weird

>>53547565
>anti tempus but reasonable takes on fucking reddit
what the fuck

>>53566507
>progressed to pretending that majority of tempus members are begging for cross gender collabs
kek ogey

>>53566698
I'm fucking shocked too. Every time I see a screenshot, or god forbid take a look in there myself it's constantly "DAE IDOL CULTURE BAD???" or how the boys should be given a chance.
It's true though. It's all hotdogging and grand standing but none of them actually watch the males.
And they're probably better off for it because they are painfully unfunny.

I'm one of those unicorns everyone keeps talking about but I don't care about holostars at all.

>>53567035
I understand wanting to see your oshi succeed and I'd probably understand backlash if I tried piggybacking out of the girls if I was in their spot but they really don't do themselves any favors when try to act tough or respond to trolls. They come off as condecending assholes, just ignore the hate and earn your wings like everyone else.

i m wondering. is kiara ever taste a dick on her pussy?

>>53567202
>they really don't do themselves any favors when try to act tough or respond to trolls
You can say that again. There's a reason 'don't feed the trolls' was a rule. The moment you respond is the moment they get what they want and win. There is no such thing as a perfect comeback on the internet, but modern addiction to updooting and personal validation has led to zoomers and late millenials forget or never learn this lesson.
That and basic opsec, always blows my mind just how proud zoomers seem to be about having absolutely no privacy.

>>53567943
vesper is the worst offender, guy literally picks greys OUT OF HIS OWN CHAT and highlights them asking his chat to laugh at them. Dude really lost it after people started pointing out all of his stories were bullshit.

>>53553845
>>53553683
One of the most retarded post itt

>>53539948
Kiara is based, my respect for her grows

>>53568223
So, you do have proof? Where? Can I see it?

>>53541512
To be honest, you cant escape from that unless sounding like a complete bitch if the subject comes up.
She is too honest I guess.

>>53540482
anti to what?
anti to homos I guess? Cuz it surely aint one aimed towards Kiara

>>53566442
>If she wanted to collab with Tempus, she'd have already done so, consequences be damned.
If she actually feels that way, she picked a hell of a way to say it. You really can't interpret "for my mental health" and "personal growth" any other way than external factors at play beyond her own desires. She could have said a million things from "I don't think it would make good content" to "I don't know them very well and would rather just stick with the girls", but she picked the two answers that are essentially code for "numbers" and "fan backlash", effectively validating the "they're afraid of their fans" narrative that so many were sure wasn't true. Sure, that other stuff could be part of the reasons she doesn't want to list, but people are going to rightfully zero in on this when she makes them out to be the most important reasons.

>>53568317
Only after you will provide proofs that them don't have enough applicants or whatsoever

>>53567202
HolostarsJP gets shit constantly, probably by much more insane trolls that /vt/ can only wish to be, but they don't respond, they just get on with the job.
Every time i hear something about HolostarsEN, it's someone having a moan or some kind of yab again. Outside of that, it's severely unfunny, fuckboi content.

>>53567943
>always blows my mind just how proud zoomers seem to be about having absolutely no privacy.
It can and absolutely will come back to bite them eventually. That's why if you're internet famous, just shut up and get on with the job, don't try to fight back or it will only get worse.

>>53568586 (you)
Also forgot pic

>>53545505
>guys are literally the ones at fault for getting the girls in worse situations? Literally because of you how guys
>literally
>literally
Spot a twitter troon

>>53568586
You're one of the ones making the first claim that they stopped looking for EN3 entirely because of Tempus
"Them not having enough applicants" is an alternative possibility
As you are making the primary claim, the burden of proof is on you

>>53567200
how do you feel when your oshi collabs with males? if you feel nothing you're not a unicorn

>>53568479
>She could have said a million things from "I don't think it would make good content" to "I don't know them very well and would rather just stick with the girls"

She has basically said this the other 3 times she said she wasn't going to collab with Tempus. Didn't stop anyone from homobegging regardless.

>>53566442
Stop pretending you watch Kiara.
Kiara went from saying she'd feature Holostars on Holotalk and talking about how cool it'd be to have Roberu be on her show and then her on his, to "maybe" Holostars, to "no" Holostars on Holotalk. She went from being like "maybe more of us will collab with Holostars" at Anime Expo when they sent in messages celebrating EN to "I'll never collab with Holostars." She went from wanting to be in Ina's Bad End Night to not wanting to when Axel took over.
She is absolutely afraid of the backlash.

>>53568698
>how do you feel when your oshi collabs with males?
She doesn't.

>>53539948
Based Orange woman
I'll still not watch her tho

>>53568679
I'm not even the same person, retardchama. Also if them really didn't have enough applicants as you claim, then why idk, they didn't promote their auditions like they did it with stars
you start screaching in 3,2,1

>>53568949
>She went from wanting to be in Ina's Bad End Night to not wanting to when Axel took over.
Yeah one has Ina and other has a male. That's consistent with her stance.

>>53568479
You're still under the impression that she wants a collab to happen. There's a difference between talking about feeling restricted and talking about cons after already making the decision. And she's not wrong: getting close with Holostars is just a headache, both for her metric and personal growth, and the stress it puts her under thanks to both sides of the argument chimping out unnecessarily.
>>53568949
Pot calling the kettle black there. She never said verbatim that she'll feature Holostars on her channel, it was always a maybe at best, if she ran out of other collab partners, seemingly she decided negatively since then, nothing inconsistent or wrong with that. Also you're just spewing the /vt/ narrative on Bad End Night when she didn't participate because every slot was filled up before she could apply and that she talked about on stream.

>>53545129
Mumei collabed with the Homos though.
Hpw incredibly "based" of her

>>53569129
>not even the same person
But you are making the same claim, yes?

>>53543963
>>53542409
That's it exactly. The thing is Male idol groups exist and are quite popular but having them both under the "hololive/holo" label is detrimental to everyone including them

>>53569339
>moving goalpost
>ignoring unpleasant information
yep, certified proofster

>>53569212
She never said she would have been on it but for the slots being filled up. She said she saw the cover and had wanted to be in it originally, but it turned out different and things didn't work out.
The implication being that she wanted to participate when Ina was planning it but wouldn't have signed up when Axel took over even if there had been slots, though she didn't say that outright (that she would have been on it or wouldn't have, just that she was interested when Ina was in charge).

>>53569536
>reeeeeee you're a faggot for asking for proof when people piss themselves over things they don't know for certain!!!!!! just take random claims as truth!!!!!!!!
As for the promotion of auditions, sure, there was a tweet and a single promotional video emphasizing that they were looking for dudes in particular
They did consistently clarify that auditions for all genders are open and always have been, it wasn't exactly a fuckin secret they were shoving in the corner

>>53569129
>then why idk, they didn't promote their auditions
They do retardESL-chama. They've been open for over 1.5yrs and they reminded everyone they were still open less than a month ago.
https://twitter.com/hololivepro_EN/status/1661205381908164610

>>53569550
>the implication
Shut the fuck up you disgusting rratpeddler and instead watch the actual stream once more. She talks about how good it sounds for minutes beforehand and she expressed verbatim that she had a desire to participate, you don't do that if you avoid Holostars because of fan backlash.

This is missing the context that Kiara complained two streams earlier that none of the collabs she HAS been doing have brought in a new audience. She even made a joke onstream about how some random thing brought her more audience than all the collabs she did.

This comment isn't "Holostars is numbers poison" it's "collabs don't bring numbers" and people are gonna complain about it.

>>53569885
reread the reply chain...

>>53539948
At least she's self-aware enough to know she can't handle the forced faggotry people would start /here/ if she interacted with Stars, but you can tell from her reluctance as she's saying it that there was no real way to phrase it without coming off as a little bit of a monster.
>Yeah I don't want to ever engage with you so I can cater to gachikoi LARPers on 4chan

>>53570081
That's the proof and direct answer to (you)r retarded posts retardESL-chama.
Why the fuck would they remind everyone about HoloEN auditions after 1.5yrs of auditions already being open if they "had enough applicants"?
Do you even understand English?

You know, I think the problem with tempus is that it feels so inorganic.
They were debuted to try to get some of the sweet sweet money luxiem was rolling in and before anyone goes
>b-but the applications!
face the facts. Luxiem was at their peak and showed people that there was a market for male vtubers, cover did the seemingly smart thing at the time and tried to cash in on it. Only problem is that the fans of luxiem were Chinese sisters who were finicky at best and that can be shown nowadays.
In 2020, or early 2021 it might have made some sense to debut males because people like Roberu were gaining some popularity among en viewers but anything past that point was stupid.
Also the argument of
>they didn't have enough applicants
Is retarded. Several indies talked about how they didn't even get looked at and how they were discouraged from even attempting to reapply
>well maybe they were too small!
maybe but on the same hand tempus 2 has a guy whose most notable accomplishment consists of shouting two words in Sea of thieves and he's actually one of the best in tempus

>>53569212
>Also you're just spewing the /vt/ narrative on Bad End Night when she didn't participate because every slot was filled up before she could apply and that she talked about on stream.
Oh please nigger if you had even one single braincell you would know she said that to appease the homobeggars among her viewers, she knew from the very start she would not dip her toes into the Tempus collab group even with the most mundane route. Though the whole thing about Axel taking over so she decided against it was 100% vt rrat. She really does want them to succeed but not at the cost of her own Hololive career, that's it.
She knows this parasocial idol schtick more than everyone else in EN, she already knew there would be backlash if she went against it, not necessarily from her own pool of unicorns, but from the people /here/ or all the dramaniggers elsewhere who wait for an excuse to start shit flinging at her.
>>53569926
>She talks about how good it sounds for minutes beforehand and she expressed verbatim that she had a desire to participate
Everything about that was true, until she dropped the reason why she didn't take part in it, that shit was lip service and you know it, you don't have to put up this fight like she's the figure of Unity in EN and she would support them in a heartbeat, her career and probably her mental health too come first.

>>53565530
>no mistakes
you mean aside from being an unlikable cunt?

>>53570065
Tbf tho, as much as I love Kiara, nothing she does brings in a new audience.
Never has, never will.

I hold no ill will against holostars, but god their fans really are eternal victims

>>53570294
The entire comment chain is about how they didn't even bother to look for girls and focused completely on homos.
You unironically proved that claim.

>>53539948
Tldr translation: you guys are fucking psychos so no collabs with the homos

>>53570376
I don't really blame them though.
As I've said before, if you were around during Omegas reign, omega talked about males being part of hololive more than once and if you saw shit like that and joined thinking
>wow I can find success and maybe even collab with cool people from time to time !
only to have schizos and unicorns seethe over your existence because surely a collab means you're fucking them behind the scenes or something, to the point where girls won't stream povs when they collab with you and the other half of the girls pretend like you don't exist, probably really fucking sucks.

>>53570398
That's how job applications work. If you don't even make a notable impression on the application or they find something wrong with it, it's going to be thrown in the garbage without a second look. Of course they won't waste their time looking through some tranny's audition video.

>>53570065
Because nobody in Hololive knows how the fuck collaborations work. The one-off collabs are fun special episodes, but it's like when cartoons would have crossover episodes; just because Codename Kids Next Door has a crossover episode with Billy & Mandy it doesn't mean they're going to start watching the other cartoon if they were already aware of it and not interested to begin with. There's not enough exposure or natural behavior.
It's why shit like Minecraft actually works, it's long-form collaborative content that exposes people to more natural behavior than a direct Collab, which is more like a social event. People get caught up in each other's autism and find it endearing or interesting. I bet Kaela got so much attention simply because she's always present and doing her own thing that it catches people's interest.

It's a shame EN are so flakey because if they could commit even just one stream a week to Minecraft they would have a lot more cross-pollination

How the fuck can you retards say "they couldn't find any good idol applicants that's why we don't have an EN3 yet" when Sana, Kronii, and Ame made it in. Tempus delayed EN3, deal with it

>>53570618
>notable impression
>DOESN'T HAVE DICK! NEXT!

>>53569696
>They did consistently clarify that auditions for all genders are open and always have been, it wasn't exactly a fuckin secret they were shoving in the corner
Fun fact one of the Luxiem shitters mentioned that he tried to apply to stars but got rejected because they were looking only for girls. Now think about it a bit.
>>53570294
PLS point me the poor ESL retard where girls auditions were promoted in 2022, because i don't see

https://twitter.com/hololivepro_EN/status/1604325583344762880
https://twitter.com/hololivepro_EN/status/1549577308515602432?lang=en

>>53570845
>o-one month ago doesn't c-count!
They've had permanent auditions up for 2yrs now. Anyone that was or is interested in joining Hololive knows about it already.

>>53571114
>mindbroken

>>53539948
The amount of dick sucking she did just to say she’s not collabing with them is stupid. Turning off both sides. How’s she gonna grow that way

Wouldn't just not watching male collabs be enough consumer feedback? It's not like solostreams or cgdct streams suffer from male collabs, just watch what you like and don't watch what you don't. Boycotting girls wholesale seems a tad unhinged. I dont watch the homos or male collabs and Im perfectly happy without having to seethe about content I don't even see.

>>53545658
All Kronii and Ame had to do was not collab with these niggas and everything woulda worked out

>>53571507
>unhinged
Nice try homobeggar

>>53571507
Not everyone is as buck broken as you Teakek.

>>53551568
When will a Council member hit 1 million though?

>>53571507
> Wouldn't just not watching male collabs be enough consumer feedback?

Unironically no. Considering how much tourist show up for those. You have to make a point somehow. I think people who want coed content are actually the loud minority outside of here. A majority of HoloEN’s fan base are closer unicorns or unicorn adjacent who silently leave.

>>53539948
Why is this not a YouTube clip or Reddit post? I want to see the shitters who were hating on Kanata’s stance reaction to this

>>53570845
>got rejected because they were looking only for girls
You mean, before the concept of StarsEN existed? Before they had ever announced looking for male EN talent?
The only way this would be the equivalent the other way around is if, when looking for StarsEN members, Hololive EN didn’t exist and wasn’t even in the works. But it does exist, so the two situations are under fundamentally different circumstances.

>>53571507
>It's not like solostreams or cgdct streams suffer from male collabs
People said the EXACT same cope when Luxiem came out. As a former lazusydia fan I can tell you straight up that the branch went to complete shit practically over night because of when Luxiem and more importantly Luxiem's trashfire of a fanbase came in.

Kronii even showed symptoms of the same issue with multiple mehera rants about 'idol culture' and toxic fandom.
It's never just a collab here or there. It's rants at fictional portions of the fanbase in solo streams. It's fan community infighting. It's controversy and constant derailment of peace.

>>53551568
KEK put me in the screencap bannedvtmemes.

>>53574467
Well shit

>>53572945
>former lazusydia fan
You already know what you're entering to when you became a fan (former) of niji. they've always been open to faggots ever since their 2nd jp gen. holo is a different story as they didn't try to shove the homos in our faces.

>>53555761
I gotta think Pikamee didn't want to join, because I have a hard time seeing holo not doing a gen of just her like they did with IRyS to get her to work for them.
Some of the really big EN girls obviously thought holo was worth it, see Gura, IRyS and Mumei who were all massive predebut, but you also have big names in EN like pikame or that lily whore who make enough they don't want to deal with holo

>>53541695
I think this is one of the best posts I've ever seen on the subject. I gave the stars a chance, I even liked some streams. When they decided to debut tempus 2 instead of the new girls and locked down the Reddit, preventing discussion of the girls' activities, I vowed never to watch another male stream... and I haven't.

>>53539948
based

>>53565079
Yeah, exactly. I'm glad we can see eye-to-eye on this despite enjoying different types of content. IMO it's great that we have two different company styles, Niji serving mixed-gender gens, while Hololive keeps them separate. If only YAGOO had realized that they should have been made even more separate. I'm sure Stars could have picked up more yumes that way. Instead, they got all the weirdos who are only after "destroying idol culture" and whatnot.

>i don't feel the desire to do that
>i don't watch the streams
>but i'm sure they're great, please go watch them!
HOLY FUCKING SHIT HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU HOMOBEGGARS NEED TO HEAR
NOT
EVERYONE
LIKES
HOMOS

some people just prefer cute girls, and Kiara is one of those people

>>53569335
She probably spoke with some of the other girls after and now understands why she wouldn't want to do that anymore. She's done nothing since then.

can't wait for her to get rekt by the fans she fears

>>53570065
>"collabs don't bring numbers"
That's how most of the thread interpreted it.

>>53570619
It doesn't have to be the same game though. Council has a lot of multi-girl fans because they collaborate relatively often and always talk about each other a lot. (Well, outside of Kronii.) But I agree that HoloEN as a whole could stand to have more frequent collabs.

>>53554897
What does it say that their 2 most successful Holostar EN talents are the ones that got suspended

>>53539948
this stream was so pathetic
>panders to degenerates
>degenerates start making reddit-tier doublemeaning jokes as usual but this time its about her best friend's boyfriend so she gets upset)
woman moment

>>53546360
>Or maybe it's the point in the beginning.
correct

>>53551568
because she lives in white people timezone so only white people watch her (an extremely small minority of hololive fans)

>>53578427
Holy cope....

>>53566693
nothing you said besides the voice matters
japs with weird voices like pekora still get viewers because jap viewers are used to that kind of thing

>>53540482
>AAAAAA SAVE ME JANNY!!!
this really is reddit: the 4chan board

>>53580257
>Pay money to watch a 4+ hour stream of someone you hate
>She's the insane one

>>53572945
Lazusydia?
Same Lazusydia that collabed with ID and JP males pre-Luxiem? Same Lazusydia that joined Kanae's long-ass bday call stream? Same Lazulight whose debut program was co-hosted with an ID male? This same Lazusydia?

>>53580443
What's okay between jp viewers and en viewers won't translate 100%. The voice is just weird for a lot of people. The stuff I mentioned besides the voice is what actually mattered. For the first year and a half or so 70% of posts here about kiara were anti posts about how terrible she was pushing for things and trying to one-up the haters much like you see today. At some point she started changing and chilling out which caused another year of "do you forgive her now" type posts but you can see in those threads that the vast majority of replies would be people not trusting her after how bad her intro period was. She utterly failed with a first impression and failed to grab onto any explosive growth because of it. Now she just needs to focus on the slow dribble of a fan base she can build up over time

>>53543453
gura's based so there is a small chance this is true.

>>53581401
Sure lets pretend the issue is any male interaction and not that a bunch of manwhores infested the branch and brought a wave of outright schizo fans with them. I saw no objectionable male interactions during the lazysydia days. The objectionable behavior came once the manwhores joined.

Point being the 'just don't watch the collabs!' line is cope. At best. In reality it's used to try and wrench open the gates by lulling the guards into being slack.

>>53546805
what do you expect? it's her hug box and the only bread and butter she has atm. she'd kneel down to unicorn pants if she wanted to. With that said she ain't wrong.

>>53557750
this

>>53572895
Nta but it was Shu. Auditions pre-Council explicitly said all genders were welcome to apply. So he applied, naively by his own admission. If they weren't looking for male talents back then, it seems reasonable they weren't looking for female talents post-Council. Seems far more likely than, people just didn't apply.

>>53539948
>one of the few no-homo streamers
>streams a lot
>still one of the lowest CCV in EN
So what's your excuse now for letting her rot? Shitty voice? Boring? If we want to send a clear message about no homos, if JP can, why can't we?

Homobeggars, like rapists, don't understand that when a woman says no, it means no

>>53539948
Well she's right.
They have no overlap. Nothing to gain by collabing, only loss.
Homoviewers DO NOT watch holos and vice versa.
You just lose the unicorns and gachis and paypigs that dont want homo collabs at all.
The homo viewers dont start watching the girls so what the fuck is the point?
It's a net loss.

>>53566698
>>53547565
What the FUCK did that drama with modfags on plebbit mean they are now HEALING?

>>53586159
>Streams in Asia sleep hours and NA work hours. Europeans prefer twitch streamers.
>JRPG completionist
This alone kills her momentum. It's a shame.

>>53586159
>Euros prefer twitch streamers
do we ?

>>53587852
That particular screencap was a combination of /#/ raiding an obscure thread which homobeggars didn't pay attention to.
There was a later thread with the exact same topic that blew up to thousands of upboats that went "better" for the beggars.
However even there the most upvoted comments were basically saying "stop dramafagging retard"

tl;dr homobeggars still have too much control of the sub for now but the tide is turning, people are getting more and more tired of them and anti-homo posts (either stealth or open) can no longer be suppressed by downvote bombing.

>>53588637
Why are the homos, nijis and their viewers so fucking obnoxious?

>>53539948
A lot of people just aren't interested in watching guys. It makes sense to me.

>>53588637
Well the EN homo fanbase isn't doing well. Take a look at /mans/ nowoday (if you can handle the amount of gayshit and yumejo going crazy) but the amount of doomposting is kinda insane for a general. Homo are also losing step on reddit, and after tempus debut it was the first time ever they had this issue. Not only that but the viewership are always reaching new lows despide having the vesper/magni drama who should have make the homo community mark a strong comeback but their full collab minus two got attrocious numbers. Honnestly, it's grim. If vesper or magni graduate they won't live for one year, if they are terminated tempiss isn't gona pass the winter.

>>53588766
They're obnoxious because it's not about what streams or content people enjoy. It's just thinly veiled politics with the homos as a scapegoat.

>>53586159
Her model is ugly, she's vesper 1.0 tier.

>>53589043
I watch guys just not vtuber guys

>>53570249
>>Yeah I don't want to ever engage with you so I can cater to gachikoi LARPers on 4chan
It's not even that. The reality of the situation is if people wanted to watch males they would already be doing so. It's better to collab with people her fanbase actually wants to watch.

>>53589043
then why are the biggest streamers on earth men?

>>53589503
They're not coombaiting faggots with anime avatars

>>53589579
Using an anime avatar automatically means you're coombaiting?

>>53589619
as a guy yes

>>53589631
That makes it sound like your heterosexuality is fragile and threatened by a halfway non NPC looking anime avatar

>>53589674
If a guy is a good enough streamer he doesn't need to resort to an anime avatar to attract viewers

>>53589820
Okay? Then why do women need anime avatars?

>>53580575
i don't hate her
just this stream in particular

>>53589849
Female flesh streamers exist but most people just watch them because they're easy on the eyes.

The anime avatar acts as a barrier between them and the coomers (or as a crutch for ugly 3dpd)

>>53539948
Tempiss completely brought HoloEn's momentum to a halt. Growth stagnated across the board and there is nothing anybody can do to change it. HoloEn 3 could debut tomorrow and after a week they'd bleed out like 80% of the initial audience. It's over for them thanks to Tempiss' existence. Tempiss was a mistake.

>>53539948
>my insane interpretation are a fact!
Meds.

>>53546805
There will be more pushback in return

>>53580257
What stream was it from?

>>53539948
>Kiara's growth is stagnate
>blames tempiss
>starts leeching off Kobo
Who didn't see that one coming?

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>

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>>53551568
You may be on to something there

>>53590921
Facts

>>53589493
It's hard for the homo "people" to get their head around reality. Cover launched the, i hope, final try for holostars and if they wanted to be realist they would realise it is the biggest failure cover ever had, taiwan shit is cute in comparaison. before tempiss holoEN may had a chance outside the Vtuber niche, now it would be more important to secure their place in that niche than anything small corp are actually eating up the difference and indie also are gaining ground, the only who are doing worse than holoEN currently is nijiEN, and surprise surprise they have male Vtuber too.

>>53589674
Literal twitter response.

>>53547773
This is the part that gets me the most. I've been a Stars fan for years. Tempus comes out with red flags immediately, and the fucking threads I was posting in since /jp/ ran me out for disliking the ENs.

Like holy fucking shit, Tempus is just a weak fucking branch at the end of the day. I don't care about what they represent or if they collab with girls. We've fucking gas lit ourselves into thinking unity was important and ignored the fucking topic: are they any good

>>53589503
And if people want to watch men, they're watching men. This is not the Hololive audience.

>>53539948