/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>5327929
Oh no no no Nijibros... not like this...

>>5327929
Wait for Mori/Ironmouse collab

>>5327929
Nijiniggers doko?

What's that thing from okayu?

>>5328171
30k

>>5328321
3D Rainy singing

>>5328324
tryhard chicken and pink hypocrite got 20k each, which I guess were all the same people. Does mori/ironaids get more viewers than kiara/nyanners on average?

>>5327929
>IronMori streams in 1 hour
too fucking early, retard

>>5328416
Mori gets more than Kiara, Nyanners gets more than IM. 25k-30k seems accurate, maybe a little less since it's later than Mori's usual streams and much earlier than IM's usual streams. It's also a zatsudan/Q&A instead of a game and I don't know if EOPs really go for that.

>>5327929
weto cato putting the western whores back to their places, again

>>5328541
Based Wet Cat

I stopped watching Vtubers for a while, when and why did hololive start working with vshojo?

Fat Cat > Cunny shark

>>5328540
Stream will only be on IronMouse's twitch, so I will assume it'll alienate Mori's Youtube only viewers

>>5329133
When vshojo keep on stalking them on twitter

>>5329317
That as well. I think it'll do well, but I wouldn't expect huge numbers.

>>5327929
V = hololive

>>5329133
They relent because mori and chimken keep bitching about it.

>>5327929
>Top 10 no Nijis
Oh no no no no

>>5329133
Not Hololive. HoloEN. Maybe Ollie of HoloID too and Polka. The rest are oblivious to them or will not even consider they exist. Polka won't collab with them.

>>5329017
Switching to wet catto thread?
by nanome_to

>>5328540
Mori/IM will get more.
Kiara/Nyanners happened at the same time as an Ina draw stream and a Gura's members only.

Jesas

IronMori to break 40k
you've heard it here first!

>>5329470
>>5329470
The big Tom & Jerry event had pretty much everyone streaming so the viewers got split too much.

>>5329785
Obvious falseflagger biting a bait

>>5329550
Why polka specifically?

>>5327929
Holy Shit today's ranking is a clean sweep. LMAO!!!! Not even Kuzuha and his boyfriend could make the top ten. This is beyond hilarity.

NijiWHO??? lmaooooo this is pathetic ahahah

>>5330035
She commented on Vshojo's existence back when they were starting, but asked fans to not ask for collabs

>>5328541
Based!

>>5327929
i bet kiara is seething right now because of her low number

>>5329737
Superchats?

>>5332276
>Trying to leech off of Coco and her graduation buff.
>Only 30k
I'd be seething too if I was her.

>>5332276
The fuck? I think this is the first clean sweep for Holo in a while. Did Kuzuha not stream today? Also, I guess soda isn't considered as a vtuber by vnuma yet?

>>5327929
>muh #1 vtoober can't even beat Okayu
dead subs

>>5329737
The only impressive thing here is Sumire.

>>5332886
>Kuzuha's stream is below Subaru
Has there ever been a clean sweep by Nijis on the top10?

I could have watched Gooruh's singing stream if it wasn't so early in the morning

>>5334448
People called in sick to watch her stream. Why aren't you trying?

>>5329785
Tom&Jerry?

>>5334670
I am sorry I am weak

>>5333864
sometimes during late 2019 or early 2020 maybe

>>5332886
Nah the nijis including seavamp boi are streaming some shitty outdated sponsored mobile game. That's why the numbers suck

>>5329776
>21.6K view

Why are you like this playboard...

>>5335382
Isn't Pekora, together with Nene and Suisei, also streaming some "shitty outdated sponsored mobile game"#5?

>>5335475
You're supposed to let PB parse the videos before you check for stats.

>>5329317
Why is it age-restricted?
This takes off the charm of doing yabe stuffs on an all-age channel.
I want to see HoloEN corrupts 6-8 years olds.
I don't think it will reach 30k.

>>5329776
>IronMori
>not M n' M
People are absolute garbage at branding, I tell you...

Why are you guys freaking out? OP only shows top 11 and it’s not like it’s the first time Hololive took all the spots

>>5335382
>All Holos listed are above 20k
>Pekora is playing an old mobile game
>Kuzuha not listed because playing mobile game.
Cope

>>5335839
I think there’s a pretty big difference between a Bleach game and a shitty pubg mobile clone...

>>5335440
there is still time

>>5327929
Shouldn’t at least one male Nijisanji be present?

>>5332276
Her usual number is much less than that. Isn't 30k a good number for HoloTalk?
1. 3D fat cat singing
2. scuffed shark karaoke
3. singing + big announcement
4. HoloTalk

Today is a good day to be a hololive fans.

>>5335817
Hololive has 18 out of 24 spots today... 19 if you count the VShojo collab.

Reposting yesterday's supers

>>5334670
Her streams happen too often lately.
My manager is getting suspicious.

How funny that everyone usually talks about Kuzuha's numbers but not any other Niji, as if his numbers represent the whole company's popularity.

>>5336208
I mean it makes sense, nothing really special going on in Nijisanji today
And the Google play shilling turned out to be a much higher debuff than I even expected it to be aside for Kuzuha

>>5334960
That's a guess or a distant memory?

>>5332276
>i bet kiara is seething right now because of her low number, only 34k.
That’s a lot for her. I don’t think 34k = depression, especially for Kiara… or for anyone.
>>5336134
>Isn't 30k a good number for HoloTalk?
If a streamer does well and you don’t like them, you might say they should have done better as a means of discrediting their accomplishment. It’s stupid, but it’s a means of coping for some people.

>>5336339
Wasn't this what happened with Aqua back in 2019 and early 2020?

>>5336343
So many members and nothing special?
That sounds lazy.

>>5336231
Rushia is a fucking money making machine
>HOW DOES SHE DO IT?

ATLUS VIDEOGAME COPANY PLEASE LET MORI PLAY THE THIRS INSTALLMENT OF THE PERSONA SERIES

>>5327929
>Second biggest vtuber company
>Not even one stream in top 10
holy shit

>>5336692
anon? wrong thread

>>5336768
A FUCK I CLCIKED THE NUTSAKI THREAD

>>5336613
Please anon, Nijiniggers need 3D, tournaments or big collabs to top the charts.
For Holofags it's just another day.

>>5336613
Anyone who would even manage to make it to trending was either busy shilling or not streaming for the most part

>>5336707
Niji is still the biggest actually, holo just has the biggest fanbase.

>>5336208
what are mouse usual numebrs?

>>5336963
seems like they dont think the same

>>5336963
Eh... Depends on what metrics your using. Xbox I'm sure is technically bigger than PS in terms of actual money they can burn and prior to PS+ getting monetized (fuck whoever made this happen) earned a hell of a lot more too. But in terms of reach and actual influence, I'd argue PS always remained ahead of Xbox globally evend during the shitty PS3 era.

>>5336977
4k-6k

>>5337174
They here to stay tho. If hololive should better their management game if they wanna stay afloat on the top from here on or they'll fall like how upd8 was with their fast growing popularity

>>5327929
The hell happened in Minecraft that her Yakuza stream beat it?

>>5336576
>Wasn't this what happened with Aqua back in 2019 and early 2020?
Anon, Aqua was trailing Sora, Fubuki AND Choco in subs up until July 1st 2019. She only caught up with Sora in Jan 2020.

She had he breakthrough in late Nov 2019 with the Azur Lane collab (and the viral clip of her pulling herself on Azur Lane) and it lasted until Sep 2020 when she started reclining.

Fun stat
> She never caught up with Fubuki, ever. Not even close

>>5336977
She hovers around the 8k mark according to VNUMA.

>>5337370
>or they'll fall like how upd8
upd8 was Kizuna AI. There was never anything else.
Even fucking Crypton has more than Hatsune Miku, upd8 had nothing and managed to squander the ONE THING they had.

>>5337200
>(fuck whoever made this happen)
Microsoft...

>>5336339
The guy can get to top 10 on his own, so it's a no brainer he would be compared in the list. Other nijis other than touya can't casually go past 20k on a good day

>>5336231
>>5336686
Korone for example is incredibly successful with superchats by all accounts, she's 9th in the worldwide overall ranking. In over two years she's broken the $10k barrier on a stream 10 times, while Rushia has broken it 13 times since the beginning on May alone. It's insane how far ahead she is of everyone other than Coco who's now leaving her alone at the top.

>>5337174
>>5337200
I'm talking about the cold hard fact that anycolor are just much more corporate with their business decision and hence bigger. They dont hesitate to shut down branch and cooperate with bilibili after all. Holos are definitely bigger worldwide by large margin but they can hardly turn those into profit yet.
>>5337370
You fall for the management meme, hololive biggest enemy is their antis. Everything that turn management into retard are the result of antis not malicious intent like upd8.

>>5337370
I think thats always been Cover's main achilles heel. As good as they are at scouting and the insane EX level luck that they have, they always tend to be reactionary instead of taking the initiative. I can't blame them too much though since they were basically a bunch of tech guys who are suddenly trying to become a legit talent agency. I've been on the receiving end of being in that kind of shitty situation myself (being in one field of work and then being told that the company is going to change course) so I can sympathize.

>>5337512
The irony of trying to clone the company's one trick pony, but crippling it in the process instead.

>>5337370
there is always a retard that compares everything with upd8 despite knowing shit

>>5337734
Coco had the "meme" superchats. Rushia has her audience spinning in her fingers

>>5337174
It is a matter of perspective, build a large audience around fewer members. Or go wide and have an expansive roster with fewer viewer around many streamers.

As the EN branch expands for example it seems inevitable that Nijisanji will get western sponsorships and collaborate with companies more frequently than Hololive.

When the next generation of Niji EN releases, Niji EN talents will outnumber Hololive's EN talents.

>>5337648
The thing is how people talk about Kuzuha when talking about Nijisanji, as if his success is the company's success.
Yet having the Holos on charts is the talents success, because Cover is garbage and deserves no recognition.

>>5338027
the good quality over quantity

>>5338069
That didn't use to be the case, Coco's graduation announcement and the stuff she revealed about management afterwards changed all that

>>5337964
Don't underestimate Coco's gachikois, she might have a very different personality from Rushia but they're just as serious and crazy

>>5337635
Goddamn it I know Anon!!! I still don't get how the fuck XBOX and PS convinced everyone to pony up for a subscription service who's main offering is to play online multiplayer! FUck, my ISP is already giving me the finger with their overpriced garbage of a network and your telling me I have to pay for the PRIVELAGE of playing online!? FUCK YOU! If I wasn't so fucking tech illeterate and if PC's weren't so goodamn expensive here I'd throw my PS4 down the dumpster and tell Sony to shove it!

>>5337808
No, really, how dumb is that
>Crypton had Miku, Luka, Rin and Len and lots of other characters
>Hololive had Fubuki, Aqua, Sora, Choco and an all star cast
>Niji had an all star cast
What upd8 does?

>recruit some new NND streamer like Holo?
NO!
>recruit some talented no name streamer like Niji?
NO!
>jums on the vocaloid bandwagon and create "Miku, but Kizuna"
NO!

They FUCKING PANDER TO THE CHINKS AND GIVE KIZUNA ROLE TO SOME CHINK

yeah, that didn't work well at all. She's stuck at 2.96M and Gura will mog her in 30 days time

>>5338027
>it seems inevitable that Nijisanji will get western sponsorships and collaborate with companies more frequently than Hololive
delusions aside please

>>5338338
Maybe the anon knows something that we dont?
>>5338027 do you have some secret that we dont know about niji EN? cause last i checked their audience are mostly holofags too.

>>5336963
I've heard Niji has a lot more domestic sales and promotions than Hololive. Wonder how the numbers would be for Hololive without the oversea buff.

>>5338189
Yeha, but was a self reinforcing phenomenon
>Coco becomes the #1 most superchatted after being demonetized
>Kiryukai make sure she never loses the #1 spot no matter what
If you think about it the most impressive hitters are
>Lamy
>Flare
They fly under the radar but they're up there, in the top10

>>5338027
I always wondered how will the numbers compare adding every talent daily views onto each company.
Would Nijisanji win in numbers having adding so much members?

>>5338127
That's nice and all, though what happened when your quality talents graduate? E.g., Coco. Will Luna and Kanata be able to pick up where she left? Will Towa suddenly be able to fill the void? Can the sheep carry the 4th gen Holos now?
No. That's simply not the case. Coco's spots on the chart are opening up, on the bottom of the list it's more likely a Niji talent maybe able to break into the rankings. Than a dead in the water Holo like Mel, Rosenthal, or Choco.

This will be the case when ANY EN talents graduate. If one leaves the foundations start to fall. Nijisanji has numbers, if one members another WILL be able to fill in for them. When a Holo graduates the rankings open for competition.

>>5338536
I'd guess the top one's like Peko and Marine stay on top but the rest might be a level or two lower than what they are now. It's really hard to determine just how big the overseas buff really is since there's so many factors that you have to consider like clippers who make having to sit through entire JP streams not really a necessity. For the girls who still have majority JP chats, you have to wonder whether its because they really don't have that many EOP's or if the EOP's are a silent majority.

>>5338723
Coco "reddit" market was completely taken over by HoloEN. If you had said
> Marine
or
> Pekora
the true heavy hitters with regards to JP side of the market I would be 100% behind your statements but Coco?

>>5338536
>I`ve heard

>>5338536
>Wonder how the numbers would be for Hololive without the oversea buff.
Pekora and Marine have virtually ZERO EOP buff. That's why they're inclining while Haachama and Fubuki are reclining

>>5338723
Lol you talk about NijiEN yet ignore that Nyanners and Mousey just managed to make it to the very top, thanks to holo help. They are the ones who will fill the EN void if holo falls.

>>5338723
That can apply to the other vtuber companies. But Hololive still has a many successful members, just look at today's numbers.
Nijisanji has so many members and that is an outlier and doesn't mean Hololive has few, they are still the second company with most members.

>>5338686
Holo would still crush them by an order of magnitude. Pic related. And this is just JP branches only. If you included EN, it would be a slaughter

>>5339232
Coco before her graduation tour would get like 5k viewers a stream and make the most money out of everyone. IDK why you guys value welfare EOPs and dead subs.

>>5339310
Anon, this are stats BEFORE her graduation announcement (5/23-5/30). Not to mention this has been a pattern for a good while now. Nijis have numbers in terms of Chuubas they employ but the number of actual big hitters that they have are less than Holo.

>>5339310
Superchat is just indication of how many are willing to spend money. Concert, merch and sponsorship are what paid the bill for equipment, staff and talents. In that regard many members got coco beat by large margin.

>>5339100
> Marine :” I will stream today” on reddit
> Zero EOP buff
> Pekora with a decent number of seanigger fans
> Zero EOP buff
Really ?

>>5338723
Kanata unronically, always in the top views chart and a top 10 SC earner, damn she´s even about to surpass Kuzuha in SC total anytime soon

>>5339232
holy shit, imagine the massacre once EN2 and Vsinger comes out

>>5339232
Wow that is impressive, but I last number is VODs which somehow are less considered in these number treads, instead of live views.

>>5327929
>Most subscribers
>Unarchived karaoke
>Still not #1
And chumkeks still act like if she is the queen of Hololive, what a joke.

>>5339499
>Merch
Yep, Coco has all of them beat by a large margin on that Wdym?

>>5339564
Marine didn't even start pandering to redditniggers until a couple of weeks ago.

Here is Marine and Pekora numbers
> A FUCKING YEAR AGO
before they even knew latin script at all, let alone talk with kaigai niki retards

If much EOP "buff" is a long term debuff, see: Korone, Fubuki and Haachama

>>5338723
Somehow related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0JkEHQYoe8
Even when Nijisanji was at the top and with not that many members as today, having so many livers has been seen as a downside by many.

>>5339855
Really? Does she have a nendo modeled after her? Wine? Red bull? Curry? Physical album? Digital singles or album?

>>5339564
At least try with something believable

>>5339175
YouTube viewers will not run off to Twitch and splitting an audience between the platforms is tough. If Holo EN members graduate their subs, memberships will likely go to others on YouTube.
>>5339209
Hololive has a Japanese branch of 33, 1 retiring. Several are on break. If a Niji's on break there's not so much drama because that is normal. I have had to dig around just to find out the dramas that occurred in Nijisanji. Because unlike Cover AnyColor isn't dependant on talents showing up. Nijisanji ID and KR are massive compared to Holo's other East Asian branch, Hololive ID.

The best analogy I can make is a sports team. You can have an all all-star team fail because they can't replace their members. If the above occurs. Even if Niji EN doesn't get Hololive EN's market share when a graduation happens, then Cover Still loses because Vshojo gets the audience.

>>5339100
>>5339937
>Haachama
Anon, she is her own debuff. That has nothing to do with whether you are EOP or not.

>>5340286
>Cover Still loses because Vshojo gets the audience.
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>I CAN'T BREATH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>TRIES TO SUCK AIR; NOTHING COMES IN
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I needed a good laugh today

>>5340340
No dissent here.

>>5340361
Are you alright Anon? I can see you're quoting me in that first part. Though, it seems like someone's dying in the rest of your post. Probably drowning in an ocean or something…

>>5339976
Um... She’s reading a comment there that’s just a joke implying she could sneak into Nijisanji since there are so many livers. It’s not that deep

>>5340178
Not a nendo, but a plushie and card. Not a pekora's wine, but tons of Asacoco merch (pins, jackets, etc.) I can see that she lacks albums, but considering her merch sells out instantly after they're announced, that they even considered to produce a second batch. I can confidently say she's pretty high up there.

It's that one schizo again shitting up the thread

>>5339749
Go read the past threads, retards start throwing a tantrum if you use VOD views.

>>5327929
you guys keep fighting for numbers in vain
there will be only twitch icons in the near future

>>5340099
Not a nendo, but a plushie and card. Not a pekora's wine, but tons of Asacoco merch (pins, jackets, etc.) I can see that she lacks albums, but considering her merch sells out instantly after they're announced, that they even considered to produce a second batch. I can confidently say she's pretty high up there.

>>5339937
The EOP buff really started wearing out in 2021, a lot have been moving over to Twitch, even from bigger YT streamers. Pretty much just Hololive managed to pull back some since Fashion Week.

All the kaigai niki talk though looks to be more entertaining for the JP viewers, like for Miko's fanbase.

>>5340286
you have to dig for drama because the amount of nijiJp posters is in the double digits, meanwhile if a holo so much as blinks, 5 threads are made on it

damn holo too strong
if niji offers to buy pekora and gura, how much would it take for cover to give them up?

>Cover Still loses because Vshojo gets the audience.
HAHAHAHA, NO REALLY!

I thought this was a numberfags thread, why math illiterate are even allowed here?

>>5340657
Best alternative is Ame does an experiment to stream on twitch. The hired clipper would then clip and edit safe parts to upload on Youtube. If she gets good reception, other myths or EN 2 would join streaming there occasionally for fun.

>>5339937
Gen3 was actually from the beginning of HL’s booming era when some clips went viral. The chink AL collab and fan contents gave a boost to HL budding oversea fanbase. Popularity from overseas attracted interests in nip. Plenty EOPs have been around since early 2020 (see /jp/).
With actual Zero EOP buff none of them would get those numbers because HL would have remained obscure in nipland.
Also YouTube gave bigger numbers back then so it is not comparable.

>>5340643
I have my reservations. Twitch is having debacle after debacle due to female streamers deepthroating their mics.

>>5340286
For starters Hololive ID has more success overall than Nijisanji ID, unless you are somehow adding up every other East Asian branch and their talents together for the sake of your point.
But how is Anycolor not dependant of their talents showing up?
So if Kuzuha and Mito would suddenly graduate, Anycolor would be as if nothing happened?

>>5340849
the good thing is e-thots seething at the superior babinikus and 2d girls

>>5340810
> Plenty EOPs have been around since early 2020 (see /jp/).
While that's true the EOP that got sucked into the hole is the same sort that watch subbed anime: people that makes even a token effort to, "In Rome, be like the romans".

The type of EOP being talked about here I assume it is
>pic related
the chumbuddy tier "listener" that doesn't even know there are japanese speaking VTubers in teh first place

>>5327929
Is the first time that Nene and Pekora were in a collaboration together?

>>5336208
i guess the collabs are doing pretty good viewer wise

>>5340649
>I can confidently say she's pretty high up there
Great and i agree, and now you can get off your delusion that she makes the most money out of everyone. because by the end of the day its numbers that matter.
Redbull
Botan avg 12-15k viewers / aqua avg 12-20k viewers
Nissin curry
Subaru avg 12-15k viewers / aqua avg 12-20k viewers / Pekora avg 25k viewers
Wine
Lamy avg 8-9k viewers / Pekora avg 25k viewers
Coco 5k avg are in mid-high for holos, and no matter how you want to sell it she doesn't make the most money out of everyone.

>>5340535
But that is exactly what I meant, having so much member no one will notice when you join, when she wanted was to be popular.

>because Vshojo gets the audience.

>>5340875
In Niji's case, more streamers means that talents are less likely to outright leave. Think of Hololive generations like a Jenga tower. When when a member leaves the whole structure may topple. Aloe departure being an example, shook the entirety of Gen 5. While Nijisanji is like a lattice. If Mito left it'd take nasty chunk of their market however there would be members around her that'd fill in the void left.

>Vshojo

>>5340286
Your theory is that unlike Anycolor, Hololive will crumble once one of their all-star graduates, because they can't be replaced.
So once Coco graduates Hololive will crumble, but if Kuzuha graduates there is no problem?

>>5341250
But you said it was looked down upon when that commenter was simply joking, also had nothing to do with her wanting to be popular. You’re twisting it

>>5341336
mito's graduation would hurt her unitmates and the entire first wave as well as her friends so i'm not sure what you meant by this?

>>5340984
You say that but Gura's regular viewers are more than familiar with JP holos

>VShojo
>numbers

>>5341740
Her regular viewers are part of the shared fanbase that appreciate the culture of hololive but at least half of her subsribers are clip watching, dead meme repeating tourist who thinks that gura who by all accounts is fucking lazy is the symbol of hololive.

>>5341336
>In Niji's case, more streamers means that talents are less likely to outright leave.
More streamers means more will eventually leave.
>When when a member leaves the whole structure may topple. Aloe departure being an example, shook the entirety of Gen 5
So how much Aloes departure affected Gen5 growth? They still became the fastest growing holo jp generation.
>While Nijisanji is like a lattice. If Mito left it'd take nasty chunk of their market however there would be members around her that'd fill in the void left.
As if the same won't happen in Hololive and even faster since their talents are tightly interconnected and is easier to join others with so many popular members already. Also Holofans are much more brand loyal than Nijifans and would lose less audience in their case.

>>5341336
thats pretty stupid, hardcore fans will always leave with the streamer while the rest will keep watching other members. It doesnt matter if its Hololive or Nijisanji

>>5341336
It really depends on the situation for Nijisanji too, when Meiro left it hit their image, the members and fans morale for months.
On the other hand when Gibara left by herself it was bad for her fanbase more than the rest of the company.

>>5341336
you don't know anything about nijisanji or hololive

TICK TOCK HOLOFAGS

>>5341948
>They still became the fastest growing holo jp generation.
No they didn't. They had a strong debut, yes, but they never matched 3rd gen pace and even Ollie had a stronger debut and Moona quickly outpaced them

>>5341004
If you don't count big events where they barely interact? Yes. Even with the big events the only one i remember where both were there for it is the Mario kart tournament

>>5341551
I'm saying it's easier for AnyColor to rebound when they have talents waiting to sign on, while Cover keeps their ranks tight.
>>5341984
The consistent waves of generations bury past troubles.
>>5341730
>>5341948
Graduations are unlikely in Nijisanji, streamers have just on vacation for extended periods. Roa for example has been gone for 8 months. When a streamer has so many friends and peers in a company, they won't leave easily.

>>5342123
Ok cool, but Gen 5 was not shook for it to stop their grow and still became successful.

>>5342187
Anon, HoloJP could open auditions today and say outright
>you will work for no pay for 6 months then between us and Youtube you'll get 10%
and get 1000 applicants including some 50 100k+ estalished indies and maybe even a couple of Niji and Any too.

>>5340984
Well, she is an outlier that can also attract people who aren’t really into Vtuber.
I have seen plenty of them on Twitter and YouTube (including JOPs).
I consider this as an untapped market though.
The other half of her fanbase are just normal HL fans.

>>5342266
Agreed. Aloe obsession by some retards is stupid. The VA is happy elsewhere, the remaining genmates are happy where they are, nobody else gives a fuck about a zero streams literally who

>>5342187
yuya just graduated

>>5342113
Twitch has a new king of chuubas, its over vshojo...

>>5342274
That's the issue, HoloJP could do something and they don't. Cover has a direction and AnyColor does as well. We'll see if Cover's slow pace leads to stagnation or if fewer talents in total will do well. Or if Nijisanji's multiple waves of generations will give them an advantage or stifle their own growth.

Before the end of the year these girls will likely reach 1M subs

>Suisei
>Subaru
>Ayame
>Watame
>Kanata
>Botan
>Moona

Out of all of those the one that surprises me the most numberwise is Ayame.
She barely streams but whatever she does get massive numbers (for the lack of effort she puts).
She never fails to pull 10K live viewers and get 20k on occasion.

What's her magic?

>>5342575
>We'll see if Cover's slow pace leads to stagnation
That's the dumbest argument I've seen in a numbers thread, it's pretty much that
>Hololive has so many viewers nobody even really watches them anymore
aphorism, like they're crumbling under their own massive success

>>5342575
unlesss anycolor figures out a way to bring in new fans instead of splitting their already existing fanbase or feeding off hololive, i can't see them having an advantage ever

>>5342622
Just watch her you retard.

How was the wigger / ironaids collab in terms of numbers? Can I laugh at vshitjo or do I shut my cute mouth?

>NijiID
Their combined subs are at least on par with Moona?

>>5342622
Stream smarter, not harder.
Also cute giggles and good music videos/utawaku.

>>5342622
Cute voice, Cute giggles, Great design, she's always in Hologra.
If she streamed regularly her viewership would drop. Right now any stream she does is treated as an event by her fans.

>>5342760
Who said I don't (when she streams, at least)? It is still surprising that she is ranging between 10k and 20k

>>5342820
>If she streamed regularly her viewership would drop. Right now any stream she does is treated as an event by her fans.
You have a point there. Even back in August 2020 she only clocked 11 streams in that month

Haachama seems to be taking a page out of that book

>>5342113
So a regular Twitch streamer for like10 years and with already acumulated 3M subs decides to turn the channel into a chuuba.
How vnuma, other sites and /vt/ take this cases?
Is he suddenly the #1 chuuba in subs or what?

>>5342952
>other sites and /vt/ take this cases?
Many won't even acknowledge Nyanners for the same reason
>1.24M subscribers on YT
>not acknowledge by any numberfag

>>5342952
If he treat vtubing as a side gig, then no. Vnuma already included bahroo because he seems consistent with using his model.

>>5342952
The streams will be listed in the "on live" and "highest stream of the day" sections, but sub number is ignored since it's not from zero.

>>5342187
Ok, I think I'm somewhat getting what this anon is saying now. But I still disagree with the premise that Nijisanji's method is safer. Let me give a loose comparison. One of the main issues that comics currently suffer is the lack of stakes. When a character dies, the fanbase doesn't really give a damn because either the character that died will get ressurrected/ rebooted/ is an elseworld character. But if a character like say in Naruto, which despite its shonenfaggotry has handled some character deaths amazingly (e.g Jiraiya, Conan, etc), were to die the fanbase would feel it. Yes, Nijisanji's sheer numbers makes it that no single graduation (even Mito's) would ever really cause the structure to topple, but that could also be seen as an indictment of how Nijisanji handles it talents. The fact that Coco's graduation shook not just Hololive but the entire industry also illustrates the influence that Cover/Hololive has over Vtubing as a whole. I also wouldn't worry about Hololive. Coco is indeed a very strong pillar but I could argue that there are several others who are far more important. And whose to say that someone from Gen 6 JP or Hole EN 2 doesn't become another pillar for Hololive. Afterall, the one thing that we can praise Cover for is it's scouting division.

>T-THEY CUTE!
What was the numbers for that collab?

>>5343008
>3M subs on Twitch
The guy has more subs than al vshojo combined on Twitch.

>>5342952
This is the soda era. He isn't even doing anything, just playing kusoges.

>>5342187
>Graduations are unlikely in Nijisanji
Umm, more people have left Nijisanji in the last full year than have joined the JP branch. About double i think.
Graduations happen a lot more in Nijinsaji, even this week we had a big one with Yuya from Niji KR.

>>5337512
??? Upd8 has shit tons of chuubas, shibuya hal, nobuhime, Animare, HoneyTrap and like 20 others until it got disband and everyone either go their own way, new management, or retired.
>>5337768
their management is kinda sloopy tho
>>5337933
What? Upd8 has sloppy management, otherwise they wouldnt disband and let go of their chuubas

>>5343155
Omg an honest and thoughtful reply in numbers tread.
Maybe the holos having a clean sweep in the top10 helps the numbers thread.

>>5343155
This. I'm always confused on how Niji does things because it doesn't feel right when compared to Holo. I can't put it into words. They stream and stream, but once they graduates, it doesn't feel important. It's especially true for overseas branch. Who are they and why should I feel sorry for them? I only felt sorry for Noor cause she had a good model. Other than that, It all felt as if they are objects to their company. The community doesn't seem strong enough that warrants loyal fans.

>>5343103
Was Pokimane or similiar cases listed when they made their "chuuba" streams?

>>5342187
Oh no he’s delusional. Roa’s been shadow graduated nijifag, she fucked up that bad.

>>5337964
You are a dumbass. Coco has more Superchats than Russia and it's not even close. During Coco's break and suspension her gachikoi were dumping truck loads of Superchats in her freechats. Every single day till she came back.

>>5343695
You seem upset

>>5342804
>Entire NijiID: 885.4k (16 member's in total)
>Moona: 720k

They do but its honestly still dissappointing. Hana is literally the only one who has 6 digit subsribers (241k) and Majority of those was pre-HoloEN, her growth has pretty much slowed to a crawl and I believe she's still the fastest growing NijiID even with those stats (could someone fact check me on that?). I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Moona gets to 1 mil before the entirety of NijiID does combined.

>>5342622
>Moona
That's the one that's the real surprise for me. Back when ID first debuted I never thought any of them had any chance of competing on the same level as JP holos.

>>5343772
>That's the one that's the real surprise for me
She really got the whole
>tag along with the greats and work hard
part figured out.
unlike her genmates

Ollie is following her footsteps too

>>5343772
PekoMoona launched them into the sky.
Cover timed ID2 perfectly, they debut them a couple weeks after the conclusion of the arc.

>>5343687
If only Cover shadow Graduated Aloe, Holofag.

>>5343682
She will need to stick with the vtubing clique consistently.

>>5343772
We all know being Pekora's lackey has it's benefits.
What I wonder is if Gura one day will have one.

>>5343741
Not just HoloEN, the Nijisanji EN fanbase got split with NijiKR when they had their boom in early 2021 and out of all people all this put a lot of pressure on Hana since she was at the top.
At least she's better now and from what i've seen Niji EN have a lot of new fans which aren't familiar with Nijisanji yet, so there's good room to grow again.

>>5343625
because you're tribalistic. a lot of nijis showed up for yuya's graduation and there was a thread here. chihiro and ray changed their header to commemorate her.

>>5343772
The power of the rabbit.

>>5343918
The problem with Gura's audience is that a lot of them don't care or don't know the rest of hololive exist.
Any collab not hosted on Gura's channel doesn't get that big of a buff than if they were.

>>5343967
>some Nijis acknowledged the graduation
Yeah, obviously. The point being made was that Coco's graduation announcement shook the entire industry. Vtubers from all over the world who have absolutely zero connection to Hololive kneeled to pay their respects to Coco. It was like the president died. That is the power of actual cultural influence.

>>5343993
Considering how much Valkyrae has leveled and how much less Pokimane streams, if nothing stupid happens by the end of the year again, the rabbit might be the No 1 female streamer in the world.

>>5343687
Roa did nothing wrong, it was that meiro bitch and her clique that bullied her out of vtubing.

>>5343967
Sorry anon but I can hardly catch up with what the Holos do, and can't even follow everything HoloEN does.
No hate to Nijis, but some of us have lives and other hobbies like actually playing videogames not only watching others do it.

>>5343967
But no one outside of the company and some saviourfags cared anon. Shit, if Anya graduated tomorrow, she'd have more of an impact than Yuya. Not to say that graduations aren't bad (if my oshi graduated, I would honestly contemplate the meaning of my existence) but it was barely a ripple.

>>5343625
But they do have loyal fans

>>5343918
Nah, moona and pekora was a special case. Heck even pekora inclined hard during the pekomoona arc. There's this indie chuuba that i watched who said that the whole arc was a big hit among the JOP too.

>>5344146
maybe because one is graduation due to work and the other is graduation due to conflicting practices? it's retarded to compare those
>>5344208
who is anya and why should i feel sorry for her? it works both ways. you're talking out of your ass if you say the community didn't care. yuya had quite a strong KR twitch fanbase compared to others in the KR branch

>>5343741
>>5343935
still remember watching hana and pika back in the day. didn't know hana slowed down so much. pika about to double her

still. hope hana does well

>>5344148
How much does that Jinny gook compare to Pekora now? She's always behind her, honestly, Pekora and her are more entertaining than the Poki and Rae

>>5344146
It kinda makes me wonder how big of a deal each Holo's graduation would be.

>Moona graduates: The entire ID vtubing scene and many international Chuubas along with most of HoloJP would mourn

>>5344287
You are either being intentionally obtuse or you are just an idiot.

>>5344274
Yeah, especially on the EN side, it's like after the Peko-Moona collab and Pekora's coming out, people went
>right, that was fun, but enough of these Vtubers and Among Us, let's get ready for Christmas.

January had a boost from the 3D debuts but it took till April for Nov numbers to return.

>>5344375
Rae only has amongus to fall back on. Her other streams doesn't attract too much. I once stumbled on her YT livestream and she only managed 15k live viewers.

>>5344146
>Vtubers from all over the world who have absolutely zero connection to Hololive kneeled to pay their respects to Coco.
Yeah because she has a lot of reach, I don’t understand why you would compare her to Yuya of all people

>>5344354
Anon, Hana has a bigger imposter syndrome than Gura of all people, unlike the latter having the comfort of seeing her senpais and genmates do better than her in other aspects, Hana is the sole successful (kinda) ID member before that she was probably thankful she reclined as to not mog her genmates

>>5344274
I can imagine a world where a EN Gen2 kouhai has great chemistry with Gura and helps her make Atlantis on Minecraft, where they would stream consistently so that people want to watch both points of view. Even 1/10 of Gura's views would be a great boost to her koukai making her #1 within her genmates.

>>5344497
Thought as much, girl got the OTV, pewdiepie, jackseptickeye, corpse etc buff. Without it, fans go back to their oshis

>>5344287
Anon, the nijisanji community cared(for a day) but no one else did. Like the other anon said. Graduating Niji's are like comicbook characters. Their graduations barely register more than a graduation from another chuuba company. If Yuya is your oshi then my condolences but it doesn't change the fact that her graduation was nothing more than a ripple in the ocean.

>>5344146
Coco is a very special case for a multitude of reasons. Don't expect other graduations to cause even a fraction of this commotion. Even for heavy hitters like Pekora it wouldn't even be comparable.

>>5344146
This. Too many newfags underestimate just how influential Coco IS not only for hololive, but also for the greater vtuber sphere. Coco is absolutely a valuable asset to hololive and the fact that Cover will still include her character in holoAlt even after she graduates, says something. There is no replacement and there's no Coco 2. Her absence will be extremely noticable. All we can do now is KNEEL. And hope that her roommate can build something greater than Coco. I believe.

>>5344497
She still averages 25k and goes over 40k frequently. Since she streams 6-8 hours a day she has Pekora beat on weekly stream time, but not growth and especially not event streams.

>>5344641
Coco's accomplishments are a real thing, but they're also being largely exaggerated because of the politics that got mixed up with her career. She wouldn't be receiving half of the current respect and homages if she hadn't suffered through as much chink hate and harassment as she did for over half a year.

>>5344641
Call me crazy but Moona graduating might actually generate the same level of shockwaves on all fronts.

>>5344853
t. newfag who wasn't around for the original run of Asacoco

>>5344910
You are crazy and I am a Holofag, maybe the same reach between communities, but not the same level.

>>5344968
I got into hololive during the heyday of Asacoco. Like I said, her accomplishments are real, but even the greatest things can also be overrated, and you'd have to be retarded to think that the chink issue doesn't have anything to do with why so many people feel like they want to support Coco.

>>5344910
Moona is practically a beacon for a lot of Indies and almost every SEA Vtuber, so obviously her graduation would have a big impact, but you have to consider that most of the EN and JP fanbase has literally no idea who she is, and if they know they probably don't watch her.

>>5344853
Newfaggotchama, without that drama in an alternate world. Coco's arms will reach to HoloCN, HoloEN and HoloES. She'd be the mother of overseas branches, Asacoco as the anon said with high quality late night/morning show for all hololive fans

>>5344146
coco might be the most important chuuba full stop, it's hard to compare anyone else to her

>>5345300
Not even just Hololive fans, Nijis who streamed through the night would stop at 6am to watch it

>>5345300
I'd rather have an alternate reality where CCP doesn't exist. Bugs won't exist in droves and China would probably have the same mindset as Japan and Korea

>>5344853
You are fucking stupid and You reek of newfag. Coco was the fastest JP member to hit 100k subs before gen5 existed. She is currently the fastest JP member to a 1million subs. Her creativity spawned a morning show that attracted a demographic of early bird teens and salaryman. Asacoco was revolutionary. It's what put her on the map. These are the facts. Now cope, seethe, dilate and cry yourself to sleep.

>>5345300
Yes, but in our timeline Coco spent half of her life in hololive being know more as "that Vtuber who is harassed by chinks because she showed google analytics on a stream" than as the ambassador of Vtubing to the west. She was key in making hololive popular overseas and Asacoco is probably one of the if not the most defining thing thing that ever happened in hololive's history, but the impact of the chink harassment was also huge and brought an immensurable amount of sympathy for her. Trying to see only one thing and not the other is retarded.

>>5345653
I'm not trying to diminish her accomplishments. I'm just saying many people who don't even know that much about who she is or her history with hololive also jumped into the ship because she inadvertently became this political figure and that is the source of a significant portion of the support she's getting. Stop being so defensive and use your brain, please.

>>5345300
What in the new perspective did I just stumble upon. Pretty based anon.

>>5344853
A lot of her accomplishments were strung together shitposts which she herself says have been been immortalize too much, but the actual influence they've had is really at the level people say.
Just a rundown through Memory, Asacoco, Ark, opening up to EN audiences, to new time frames, new video formats, increased meme usage, creating lasting brand items which can be memed by the community for free promotion, unifying the Hololive vtubers cross-generationally in the Asacoco shorts, popularizing unarchived Karaoke to allow singing english songs; and all this before the 4/20 2020 Asacoco, the first with full captions, which along with people accidentally typing Corona as Korone was at the start of Hololive's big rise in the west.
Hololive and the Vtuber scene would not be where they are now without what she's done, even if it was random bs.

>>5345881
Thanks for clarifying anon, yes, it's a shame that this (saviorfagging) is even a reason to support her, she could've burned so bright and became what i just said. Imagine everything going right for her, if she could've collabed earlier with EN. Just looking at EN's synergy with her is a pity since they work so well. Yes, even the wigger got beat into shape.

>>5343155
I'll agree with this assessment. Though, I won't envy Cover's scouting team. The case being, if they were to get a bad batch for a generation, the results will be disastrous for any branch affected. Seeing as EN Gen 2 and the EN Singer seems to be taking a year to muster. Which is seemingly an eternity in internet time.

>>5343829
pekora is a monster

>>5346215
> it's a shame that this (saviorfagging) is even a reason to support her,
This but Haachama too. I would trade 500k of he subs for her pre August 2020 energy back

>>5338268
Newfagchama, do ur reps, there's like 40 or something chuubas under upd8

>>5345881
Thanks to Coco, Taiwan is now a hololive aly. You love to see it. I cannot wait for her earth shattering graduation to happen.

>>5328416
It's not all the same people, it's sort of dumb to watch a single screen collab on two different platforms. Some people will, most people are not that autistic. I watched on Kiara's channel.

>>5346406
> pekora is a monster
It was not just Pekora, anon. Moona in the early "MoonArchitect" era made her presence felt very hard in the JP server and, by consequence, among JP audience. She guerilla collab'd with any JP girl that wanted to including Aqua, Pekora of course but maybe the most underrated moment of her ascension was
>her participation in the firework show Korone put to honor Miko's return
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1zaXS16D0I

That was a huge part of her getting fully accepted in the JP server beyond the "designated english speaking NPC".

>>5336339
He's the only one that gets consistently good numbers.

>>5346457
Anon, when they dumped and then rehired the original AI they had
> Kizuna AI
and God knows how many AZKI tier literally who's.

>>5337787
Yeah it's not like they went out and got a bunch of high spec people and big name artists to start a successful overseas branch.

>>5338069
You're just getting baited, no one actually watches or cares about him here, it's just fun to say he got higher than Pekora on some given day and make people mad.

>>5347145
SHUSH! No spoonfeeding the newfags

>>5338027
What's the appeal of having someone stream your game to 1k people over 5-20k? I could see the argument they would be able to pick up more overall sponsorships if there's more people, but if you're a PR guy with only 1-2 sponsorships to give out and can get one of the Holos to do it, you're gonna go with that, unless you have a constrained budget.

>>5338536
For their daily stuff? Probably not much different. For the big events you could probably shave off 20% especially if you consider Indos and Flips to be "EOP" for classification purposes.

>>5346680
That moment was special

>>5347145
i watch him...

>>5340286
It's not Hololive can't mass hire randos if they somehow needed to, it's just that they don't. They don't need 22 Indonesian streams with 20k subs because there's really no point in doing that with Hololive's collaborative model.

>>5346472
Taiwan recently bought missiles from America. The final yab is closer than we realise. July 1st is the day of reckoning. Zhang and his friends have no idea what's coming their way.

>>5342622
If you look at the numbers even Ollie has an outside chance to hit 1M before New years. That's crazy.

>>5345653
Asacoco is basically Coco using her home made shitposts and presenting them in a news broadcast template. Pure genius. Meme review is similar if you think about it.

>>5347145
This, I don't hate the guy, and honestly I think male entertainers (actors, streamers, comedians, etc) overall are better than females, but watching him "carrying nijisanji on his back" or "blowing out those holoshits" is pretty funny.
I don't post the bullshit myself, but I do enjoy seeing the baits and counter-baits. Because no one really cares about this shit, right? Right?

>>5348249
If she keeps growing 50k / month, she will barely miss

>>5348326
All the bullshit is really fucking stupid. Asacoco should still be a thing, AND management should be responsible for acquiring the clips and notables. It's one of the most fantastic ideas for clip compilation but Cover is too fucking stupid to see how great it is.

>>5343918
Ame saw she was becoming this and hit the breaks. There's a chance someone in Gen 2 will give it a shot but Gura seems a little hard to make friends with, doesn't stream nearly as much as Pekora, and doesn't constantly play a collaborative game like Minecraft where you can collab without actually collabing. Would be hard to replicate.

>>5344410
Moona's super popular, so many people came to the last birthday stream. I think there was like a dozen nationalities just in her call-ins.

>>5344287
Man I watched that pirate girl from the KR branch's premier. 1k. 1k for a premier of a new Nijisanji streamer. ID2s were getting 45-50k. Niji fanbase absolutely does not care about anyone outside of their favorites.

>>5346901
Poor AZKI's birthday will be errased being the same day as Coco's graduation.

>>5348542
Agree, Ame still likes Gura though, but since she saw that kind of reaction with the community, she constantly tries to come on top of Gura on collabs and not so teetee like before.

>>5349297
I want to cum on top of Gura

>Soda 30k playing absolute garbage
TICK TOCK

>>5348249
dead subs mean nothing if they click the red button and never watch or akasupa.

>>5349695
Is that a trans or what?

>>5348879
Azki is who exactly?

>>5349512
Why not inside her?

>>5349812
it's a better live2d than Nyanners, Sodapoppin.

Will Coco's graduation break 200k viewers?

>>5348879
No way around it, move it one day and you would get Kizuna's birthday or Subaru's birthday.

>>5349776
>or akasupa.
Can ID girls even receive ID money on Youtube? Thought they needed to use streamlab for that

>>5349979
Literally who?

>>5349979
I mean I just checked it for a couple of seconds, but can't stand a male voice in that model.

>>5350091
The biggest vtuber on Twitch, Sodapoppin.

>>5349997
>Will Coco's graduation break 200k viewers?
Isn't it sad that this is considered a huge number?

> that ".1 million" that would be rounded off to make an even million would be a top 10 stream among Holos and likely a top 30 overall on VTuber world
On another hand it means there is a HUUUUUGE untapped audience to be reached by them

>>5350181
What the fuck are you going on about? When has an entertainer done that kind of numbers?

>>5350181
>Isn't it sad that this is considered a huge number
No, not at all, because it is a huge number. Don't know why you are comparing it to fucking videogames. Gaming is the most mainstream normalfag hobby on the planet these days.

>>5350345
There was a spanish streamer who had 1m live viewers on twitch cause he was showing off his fortnite skin.
It broke the site and you weren't able to donate or sub.

>>5327929
which site is this?

>>5350181
Nintendo please

>>5349997
I want it to be and it should, but I doubt it. Her post-announcement zatsudan and bday streams peaked at 90k so I'm assuming 120-140k? Also not sure if it'll break superchat records cuz Tatsunokos have already been donating overtime the past 2 weeks. Would be glad to be wrong.

>>5350512
https://vnuma.net/trend/

>>5348847
Maybe because Niji fanbase in the west isn't big like hololive and most JP won't go to overseas except for a few.

If Nijisanji was the one who got hololive popularity in the west, the numbers would be much higher for all branches.

>>5350631
It's on paycheck day so paypigs are gonna go wild.

>>5350345
>>5350476
You are completely missing the point anon, I agree that 200k is huge, even pewds at his peak was picking up 300k live viewers.

My point is that the "live event viewers" audience is YUUUUGE and a breakout VTuber doing the right thing could easily do a 500k live viewers streams
>seems far fetched?
A fucking catshark picking up 3M subs in under one year seemed far fetched not 12 months ago

>>5350519
That was a "first step on the moon" moment in mankind history.

>>5350043
They still can receive IDR from membership.
Can't use IDR for SC though.

>>5350650
Thanks!

>>5350781
Why is that, is it YT blocking or their country?

>>5343503
upd8 only managed Kizuna Ai. Everyone else were either indies or from other agencies who signed up for upd8 to gain access to promotional /support services that upd8 offered. upd8 wasn't a management agency; it was a virtual talent support platform that Activ8 created for the industry to use its resources in exchange for a portion of their earnings.

>>5343829
>that NNN buff

I wish she'd found more ways to pull off things like this, Risu is one of the more underrated Holos

>>5351291
She got a guaranteed good November, all she has to do is to plan well and find a good follow up for December

>>5351185
No idea, never bothered to check.
Maybe tax related issues or ID government still negotiating with Youtube to get more.

never send a woman to do a man's job.

>>5352224
not sure why you guys keep propping that when pekora mogs him daily.

>>5352224
I think you missed OP: >>5327929

>>5352975
It just schizos hating on Gura. Not a numbers thread without them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnT9PuTNBic

This week's original song top 100 rankings. More KAF this week (11 songs compared to 7 last week) due to her concerts last weekend. Suisei's GHOST is #1 this week, while last week's #1 (Nijisanji's Virtual Strike) dropped 21 places.

>>5349997
150k, same as Migo

>>5355034
18 out of top 19 are hololive originals. Holofans did their reps this week. jk Ghost is great

>>5341147
Lmao, why would you base it on average viewers? It's not like every viewer would buy a fucking merch? LMAO. You just said superchat is an indication of how much people are willing to spend, you clearly don't watch her. There's a reason shes the #1 earner in 2020 retard

>>5354635
Get better numbers then

>>5351278
sounds just like Vshojo. Are they going to end up the same way?

>>5351278
and they fucking sucked ass

upd8 dying freed azki from her shackles

>>5356166
can it beat ncp?
https://natalie.mu/music/column/408103
https://panora.tokyo/archives/14764

>>5347363
Marketing 101: Target Demographics is a thing. Hololive has highest raw numbers but we can't say they have every interest covered. It works with mainstream products like Nissin or Red Bull or if you just want to shoot in the dark, but sometimes people want a more focused target. The later want to advertise as efficient as possible, and with how everything tracks everyone's interests, they should know which has bigger percentage of potential buyer. Between a 20k views stream with 100 potential buyer vs 1k views stream with 500 potential buyer, then the 1k one is better. Take Apex for example, you're more likely see Hal or Vspo girls shilling it than Towa or Matsuri because they have bigger presence in Apex scene. Or how Shadowverse JP still favor Hayama who usually have 1k views because her followers actually cares about Shadowverse.

>>5356591
No idea about the actual music awards. But in terms of numbers, it's got great legs so far. 2 months after release and it still gets 300-400k views a week consistently, which is around the same as Calli's RIP and Red. I remember being lowkey pissed when Korone's meme original beat it in the first week since both songs came out on the same day, but the meme song died quickly whereas Ghost is still going strong. Maybe 10 mil views by the end of the year?

>>5356675
They`d just go with the smaller numbers if they wanted it cheaper, dont give me that efficiency bullshit over "different" vtuber fanbases.

in other news, Gura decorating a birthday cake offscreen might beat her collabs with mama or Trinity

>>5354635
Just free rent for Gura, everyone has to be compared to her and schizos still believe she is not relevant.

>>5357740
Obviously the cheaper one is more attractive, especially if they can get more people actually buy their products. They want influencers who make people buy their shit. If they just want big numbers they can just get Pewds or Hikakin instead yet they keep throwing promotions to vtubers big or small.

>>5359932
Her numbers say otherwise: she's very irrelevant.

>>5362584
If she's on the list she's not irrelevant, no one in the top 25 is irrelevant

>>5356675
This makes sense in theory, but the issue is that nijiEN and HoloEN has the exact same audience. I'm not just talking about demographics, they have the exact same audience. NijiEN has completely failed to build up an audience of their own, even to this day the majority of their fans are former or current hololive fans, so there's literally no reason for any company to use them to advertise their products if they can get HoloEN to do it

>>5336686
I would like to find out how Rushia does it but my nihongo isn't up to the task

>>5356675
>sometimes people want a more focused target.
nah, you new people thats why you shot it on the dark. is pointelss to do a sponosr of apex with hal for example becasue is viewerbase already buys the prodcut. Sponsor are to expand the current market you have not reselling the prodcut to the same people.

>>5362824
Come to think of it. Has there ever been a day that Gura streamed where she WASN'T on on the charts?

>>5364688
No