/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I just want oozora family to reunite for ui-mama's 3D...

>>5304013
Most likely Cover, since they might start regarding everyone in the industry as a potential threat.
I really hope they don't try to pull a McMahon where they refuse to acknowledge the existence of all other big companies.

>>5304013
moving out of her parents' house was a mistake

>>5304013
>>5304262
Agree that its probably Covers choice not hers. Subaru doesnt strike me as the kind of person to cut out her friends for the sake of numbers

>>5304013
I like her old form but she's done just as many pure kino streams in her current form. In short I'm a based centrist.

>>5304013
I legit wouldn't have a problem with Cover if they had the same rules and regulations ever since started. It's just scummy to sell your unit as SOVL then switch gears immediately after you get numbers

Old Hololive had so much fucking soul. Why did it have to go downhill after gen 3 debuted?

>>5304504
because .LIVE imploded and thousands of their fans flocked to Hololive, demanding change.

>>5304504
Gen 3 changed Cover's rules forever, I despise all of them

>>5304347
I don't think so either, considering she's popped into a few totsumachi's from a few old chuubas this year already and made an appearance in a couple other streams as well.

>>5304013
>oldfags
Pre HOLOcaust, here.
>sports manager/panty business cop vs Idol
I prefer the first two; the idol is nice, but it doesn't *mesh* well, dig?
> Is she a stacy or is it Cover
It's almost always cover, and she doesn't strike me as that type anyway.

>>5304680
How were things pre-gen 3?
I've only been around shortly before gen 4 debuted.

>>5305569
a lot of big collabs with other vtubers.

>>5304262
The signs are there. It really feels like Cover is starting to build higher and thicker walls to isolate themselves from the rest of the industry because they think they got it made.

>>5304013
Considering how much Subaru has inclined lately I think its obvious that idol Subaru is superior. Us Hololive fans can forgive the mistakes she made in the past if she continues to improve her idol career.

>>5306041
Sir, please put your real flag on the mast.

>>5305803
en's having what looks like a string of vshoujo collabs. they may just want manager to plan it or whatever.

>>5304118
I want my promised spicy ramen eating stream…

>>5304013
I just like Subaru man.. I don't care which "version" it is. She is cute either way.

>>5304013
I doubt that Cover is forcing anything. The girls just decided to give priority to idolshit than to the comedian/entertainer route, because the first pays better.
I mean, look at the temperature difference of how some of the girls treat holostar, management is not telling them to act like that, they do it because they want to.

>>5306608
That's what I think too. It doesn't seem like Cover put them in a cage, as everyone can see from the Vshojo collabs. It's more like the talents choosing to stay in the bubble, boosting each other instead. Some people see it as being soulless but that's the best goddamn business move they can do.

>>5306608
Now that you mention that I remember when some random asked her if she would ever collab with Roberu and she went on a speech about how she wouldn't do it so as to not anger Robe's female fans.
I still have a good laugh whenever I remember that moment.

>>5309011
Link? That sounds hilarious

>>5309126
I will try to find the clip of that moment, it's been quite a while since I last saw it.

>>5308520
Another way to see it is the fact that Subaru herself is busy. They gave her a game show. She's in a sub-unit now. She does a lot of recordings. She can't just accept any projects outside because she might get projects from Cover that she has to prioritize. The easiest collab she can do are with Mio and Okayu because they hang out a lot. Matsuri hangs out a lot with non-holos so it's easier for her grab one whenever. So it's a matter of networking between friends. Subaru's schedule looks packed when she's not streaming

>>5304013
>>5304504
Unicorn pandering brings in more money, business wise it's the correct decision for them but I personally can't stand watching their soulless whoring.

>>5309126
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUIWbs8uQaA
Found it, the moment in specific starts at around 1:20 btw.
Man, it really is fun seeing the excuses the girls come up with to avoid the Stars, had another good laugh with this one.

>>5310772
What are you on about. Suisei and Roberu are going to collab in their radio. Very few of them actually do gfe. Very few even attempt to talk in a slightly dirty way. Are you a fucking collab beggar?

>>5310869
>Suisei and Roberu are going to collab in their radio
Uh, where?

>>5310969
Check the holo twitter

>>5311021
agqr? What the fuck is that, are people supposed to know what that is and where they can watch it? Subaru's game program on official channel only got 6k viewers on the latest episode, I'm sure this thing's not gonna get more than 1k. Also, it's just something the suits throw at them that they can't refuse, it's not like Suisei is going out of her way to collab with those two male or anything.

>>5310869
I fucking hate collab beggars.

>>5311517
What are you on about. These aren't managed by cover. It's managed by the radio station. They are doing these because their shows are back to back. The 2 are vtubers and the other are VAs you dumb fuck. The only radio show Cover handles is the hololive radio idol project. And if you fucking think this is not relevant then you fucking don't know that Suisei has one of the longest running radio shows on Holo. This is the upgraded version with a B tier VA. She was highly praised that they let her have her own radio concert with 2 other vtubers you newfag. Roberu won't even fucking have a radio show if Suisei and Marine and Fubuki's shows weren't successful. The game show itself now has 150k views. It's a premiere not a live stream. It's supposed to be watched when people have the time.

>>5310817
>Roberu of all guys having gachikoi females
Too funny. His female watchers are all married with kids.

>>5312061
That's why I find her argument so fucking hilarious, not only are his female viewers older women and married women, but he also has an overwhelming amount of male viewers compared to female ones and also collabs with girls a lot.
Thanks for making me search for the clip again, I needed a good laugh again.

>>5312915
Now if she said that about Temma and Oga...

>>5310817
The response smell's like template to me or Hololive member is really that out of touch about Stars.

Oga Saki...

>>5313130
Oga? Maybe, Temma? Nah, aunties are very supportive of the knight and would have been over the moon seeing him make new friends (especially since he probably would be very nervous and would make those cute sound the aunties go crazy over).
They certainly looked happy when he started playing with the IDs, even more so since he got to use his english more.

Shuba wants her fans to be gachikois sadly, the new outfit is a big part of that, wants people to see her as a girl.

>>5313463
Why are they called aunties anyway?

>>5313541
I still don't see the relation of wanting to see as a girl with wanting max Gachikoi fans.
Is her fans are to scared of Subaru being tomboy so much that it remind them of man?

>>5304013
Idolfaggots ruined the best girl

>>5304680
This.


Fuck that retarded titty streamer and the green bitch single handedly ruined hololive

>>5313608
She straight up said she wanted more of her fans to be gachis.

>>5305726
Yeah they even collabed with eliene once, and matsuri let her drink her piss.

Then the green hag and talentless niconico whole attracted too many faggots and they had to cut everyone off

Is Subaru a westaboo? I see other holos, like Okayu, talk about turning her into more of an otaku over the years, but I get the feeling she was always one, just for western stuff (like Marvel, etc..). I don't get a chance to watch her streams as much, but it was just a feeling I got.

>>5313564
There was an event where people went to talk about their oshis and among the participants there was a literal auntie who had Temma as her oshi.
Since then it's become a joke among Holostars fans that Temma's fans are all aunties, yes, even the males.

>>5313705
Yes, it still doesn't make sense to me.
Like she's already girly enough.

>>5308520
>It doesn't seem like Cover put them in a cage, as everyone can see from the Vshojo collabs
Please stop treating HoloEN and HoloJP like they're from the same fold.

>>5313608
She herself said that she wanted more gachikois among her fans and I wouldn't be surprised if she thought that "More feminine=more Gachis".

>>5313729
which one in 3rd gen is green?

>>5313564
Pretty sure it all started with that one vtuber-shilling stream where the one contestant who shilled Temma was a passionate auntie. There's probably a clip somewhere.

Towa had some recent clips of her talking about Gewlu, Yashiro and Maimoto and some jp nijifags started openly pining for these old day. Would be nice to have some of these old style crossovers but i wouldn't hold my breath.

>>5313760
>Can't immediately recognize a Force Choke
I'm going to say no.

>>5313705
In a questionnaire where the other options were duck, kouhai or granddaughter.

>>5313903
is mroe that the girls are so busy nowdays, dancing lessosn recoridngs sponsors,etc

Old Matsuri vs new Matsuri is like watching a lobotomy patient.

The more they grow more professional the more I remember how soulless the idol industry is and why I hate it so much.

>>5313795
Either way, it's personally left me with bitter taste. Since i entering Vtuber due to tired of the seasonal anime pandering and Oozora's family stream was my gateway, i was fool that it couldn't be same

>>5313903
Matsuri visit at Yashiro Totsumachi was hot discussion on days it happen. It's all about old days and how the thing have change from the days where both company doesn't matter gender are struggling/laughing together as friend.

>>5314007
I recently saw a clip where she was squealing over a Nijisanji guy, does she not do that stuff anymore?

>>5313903
Towa also said in a member stream that she'd never do a 1 on 1 collab with a male vtuber. She'd only collab with them if there are others with her, so for playing Apex tournaments

>>5304013
>normie
Fuck off my board retarded normalfag.

>>5314415
Towa is fucking hilarious to me, abandoned by JOPs cause MALE voice but she still pines for them.

>>5314442
Her English sucks and she isn't that interested in learning it, so it's obvious she'd prefer fans who speak her language

>>5314498
But they're not interested in her.
Her chat is a sea of EOPs and her supas are mostly EOPs as well.

>>5314506
Hasn't that changed recently? When I pop up in her streams, I see there are way more JP fans than there used to be before

>>5314597
Maybe because of the Apex tournament, but when it come to female Apex Vtuber, it's either niji or vpso

>>5315413
During her apex streams she has more EOPs than normal, they are constantly backseating her. JOP are the reason her numbers have been going up since new years. They are giving her another chance. Also Towa has also inclined because of the last cr cup. Inclined from playing with a male. The taboo has been broken for her, it no longer matters.

>>5313236
Probably a combination of both desu.
>>5314048
Same, when I originally started to learn about Hololive, I dropped it when I saw that it was an Idol company and I didn't have the best image of idols at the time, nor did the industry look like something I would be interested on, it wasn't until I stumbled upon some clips of the girls being "un-idol like" that I decided to give them a chance.
Seeing them become more and more like the kind of idol that I disliked so much is pretty dissapointing to say the least...

>>5304118
This. I miss the Maimoto collabs so much.

>>5304013
>implying Subaru wasn't always an idol
Cope newfag you and all the anti idol crusaders are clearly the minority on this issue. There's nothing wrong with being an idol and it makes shuba happy.

I don't like Subaru, period. Never did. Yes I came to this thread just to post this.

>>5304262
They can't do it because, unlike WWE, they are far from the only big game in town. Restricting themselves like that would be a huge debuff.

>>5317045
It's not about her being an idol, of course she was always an idol. It's about the changes she's made to be more like a TYPICAL idol. Because yes, all of Hololive are idols, but part of the appeal is (or at least was) that most of them felt abnormal for the role. Not as much as people unfamiliar with idol culture seem to believe, but still odd.
Cover seemingly pushing them into being more normal idols for the last few months is understandably disappointing from that perspective.

>>5304262
This is literally schizo headcanon tier.

She wants more gachikois to maximize profit. She cut them off to earn those gachikois. Money talks.

>Subaru is a good girl...
>...That cuts off friends for profit!
How does one reconcile this?

If I was a fan, I'd prefer to believe that it's a management decision.

>>5306608
Nah it's definitely Cover. Like how Matsuri said she can't collab with Yashiro now since she's idol and privated all previous collabs

>>5317228
why do you write...
... like this
reddit...

>>5304013
>Subaru
>Nobuhime
THE FUCK?! SHE KNEW

>>5313903
Towa has already lost her value to Cover as a gachikoi milker. They will just let her do whatever she wants

>>5304504
overmanagement. there are far, far too many staff in mamagerial positions for medium-size company like this

>>5317151
>I have no rebuttal, so you're a schizo
You can disagree, but try to at least give an opposing opinion instead of shitposting ffs.

>>5317268
Notice how they make a useless tweet about the Oga drama even it was solved. There's too many people in Cover who want to show that they're "doing something" just like your typical bloated Japanese company

>>5304680
Hololive would never get big if not for gen 3

>>5317243
To emphasize the contrast, you niggerfaggot.

>>5317307
Not only are you a schizo but you're also new. Post EN debut? Here's your rebuttal. Stop tilting at windmills.

>>5317151
Its not far off to speculate that Cover is restricting their talents. If they didnt, Coco wouldnt have left

>>5304504
>>5304680
why do you pretend like you're oldfags?

>>5317412
why do you use "oldfag" unironically?

>>5317384
Please read what you just wrote again and reconsider who is the schizo here.

>>5311986
>Roberu won't even fucking have a radio show if Suisei and Marine and Fubuki's shows weren't successful
Don't talk shit about my son like that you piece of shit.

>>5317228
Most people either believe it's Cover forcing the Holos to isolate themselves and to avoid being 1 on 1 with male on stream, or that she's just busy. But the 'she's busy' theory sounds like bullshit to me because her genmates like Ayame, Shion or even Aqua are anything but busy.

>>5306200
Slutjo collabs serve as a distraction from Coco's graduation both for redditornormies and schizos here it's painfuly obvious.

>>5317467
Also if Cover isn't the one forcing them it would mean Matsuri privated her collab streams with Nijimales by her own volition which is... a bit painful to accept honestly.

>>5317460
I can read it a thousand times and you'd still be a schizo.

>>5304013
I started watching Hololive when Sasaki graduated, but it was mostly only Fubuki, it was with Korone's debut when I started watching Hololive frequently.
To me the new subaru feels like an evolution, I miss the collabs, but I feel that she has improved so much that wanting to go back to her old self is retarded
Also I love to watch her discovering old games and losing that "normie" status slowly, it's very cute

>>5317434
maybe because the OP did. Sorry you feel called out.

>>5317543
You sound so snarky I almost thought you're a woman

>>5317175
People should realize that gachikoi =/= unicorn. There are Nijisanji females who sometimes flirt with their chat and get gachikoi who watch them regularly and dump lots of money on them, but their gachikoi don't discourage them from doing group collabs with males. Fubuki and Matsuri get gachikoi in the same way. The fact is, either because of Cover management or due to the decision of the talents themselves, just getting those kinds of gachikoi is "not enough" for Hololive. They want the unicorns too, and they'll make sacrifices and dumb down their collab content if it means pandering those freaks.

>>5317482
Nah, Vshoujou is the new rising star in the EN market, don't kid yourself and they has a large audience that doesn't overlap with holoEN, collabing with them has more gain for holoEN

>>5317309
pretty much this. there isn't a core vision with enough control over the delegates to see it through. you've instead got a mess where all the talent managers want their individual charges to play it safe

>>5317625
My bad, I guess subaru does want the unicorn kind is what I wanted to say.

>>5317625
You also need to understand that a lot of male gachikois made out of unicorns. Without them, you're excluding a big portion of them.

>>5317599
you are one angry newfag

>>5313541
My take was that the tomboy stuff started messing with her confidence as a female

>>5317625
i don't think anyone wants unicorns, i think they're afraid of them. unicorns are genuine schizo freaks with little to lose and will stalk, harrass or even attack their oshi. like the bloke who tried to stab rie tanaka a while back

What do you all mean by "unicorns" and how is that different from gachikois?

>>5317625
There's no reason why it's not by the talents' own choice. Alot of Holo talents are introverted doormats who regularly get distressed by random negative comments, getting dragged on by schizo unicorns in their viewership isn't much surprising.

>>5317768
>a while back
>8 years ago
Does reddit really?

>>5317810
This https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Unicorn

>>5304504
Fuck no,Subaru is the only one that has much soul in old holo. See the bottom left? that Reality event for hololive is a CLUSTER FUCK except subaru saved the day. A four group Minecraft building tournament where hololive team leaved their audience on the field the entire night doing absolutely nothing. lmfao, and subaru wakes up and helped him build some stuff. She wasn't even in the team.
Stop pretending to be oldfags.
Hololive except Subaru, was soulless, and is still soulless till this day.

>>5317768
Peaked performance unicorns are like those idolbu fans in their glory days. They cancelled a real life event because Idolbu members were going to appear with Inuyama Tamaki and Kagura Mea, which were unpure flith in their eyes. I don't think V unicorns are crazy enough to go stabbing people in real life, I mean, Vtuber itself isn't even real.

>>5317110
Large part of hololives fanbase is pretty much unaware of other Vtubers or agencies.

>>5317746
shut up woman. Go back to the kitchen

>>5311517
>This is your brain on /hlgg/
Dude agqr is a radio station owned by the ministry. Cover gladly buy timeslots for holo to have radio show there. This is bigger than a mere youtube stream.
>>5311986
Roberu show actually doing better than other holo radio show since they ask to pay for subscription to watch HenRadi archive. Meanwhile other Holo radio archive is free to watch on YouTube

>>5317502
I mean management probably wouldn't force talent to do something like that but they might've talked them into it.
Anyway it's not like they're can't be friends outside of streaming.

>>5317502
How new are you that you don't know why 90% of old streams are privated? It has nothing to do with males.
Matsuri is streaming Apex with some random dude literally right now.

>>5317629
There is a big overlap that's why you see redditfags pushing for it, check Vslutjo sub there are hololive-related threads on a regular basis and heavy collab-begging.

>>5318244
You don't understand holostars lives matter! Evil cover is misandrist. I can't stream!

>>5304013
Time to blame the girls, COVER and gachis. Then whine about the support holostars got from COVER.

>>5317768
This kind of thing is not common at all

>>5304504
>old=soul evryfuckingtime
I hope your soul leaves your body forever when you sleep, you disgusting filthy hipster faggot.

>>5304013
Have you guys forgotten the Towa yab and how it severely damaged her? The new fans who came after .LIVE exploded outnumbered the original fans and they had a bad habit of chomping out with collabs with outside groups

>>5318327
Holostars is in trouble. Roberu is being passed around like a two bit whore over at Animare and they barely let him out to stream. This is what happens when you don't let Homos collab with Holos!!

>>5304412
Recommend me some Shuba kiiino please.

>>5317930
Maybe if you only look at the EN fanbase but most Japanese fans should be well aware of Niji and others.

>>5318497
It's deleted, but her FFVI stream was kino.

Even Sora had to watch her beat Kefka

>>5318517
Nah it's the same for JP ones as well. They hardly know about other vtubers.

>>5318497
she had two SMOK collabs that are the streams of the year honestly.

>>5318657
then why does nijisanji get NUMBERS

>>5318702
Entirely different audience. They catered to niconico meme scene

>>5320295
So Japanese?

>>5314289
As far as one can see, not anymore or at least not as much as before, she really dialed herself back considerably.

>>5304680
I despise “my personality is boobs” knight, green BITCH, and ex titty streamer rabbit.
marine just kinda exists...
I love Flare though, she’s the only good one.

>>5310817
Now Oga, Oga has female gachikois that literally want him to themselves. It would make sense if it was Oga.

>>5318419
#FreeMyManz
#FreeRoberu
#ReleaseMySon
Someone free him from 774’s basement pls...

>>5331192
>free him
I don't know. I think we should join him.

>>5331591
took me a minute to realize that she's holding Kuku and not shota Roberu

What defines an Oldfag? is this old enough?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnfHNU6iej4&t=10s

The whole thing is such a shame. We will never get something like this again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2cO3KQaoTI

which, to me, is the greatest stream ever made.
I highly recommend you make time for it, if you haven't seen it

>>5313130
>Oga
Most of omaesans don't care abt the multiple collabs with FBK or treerat.

>>5313760
Nah she is just a normie on her way to be turned into a hardcore otaku

>>5316884
Then dont watch them. What's with people forcing their schizos idea to the streamer. They own you nothing, if you not entertained with what they doing then btfo, you are not the only one they must entertained.

It's funny how the idea of the girls didnt want to collab themselves is so farfetched from most people here. (You) are no better than the unicorns, with (you)r persistent idea of "these girls are sooo opressed, it must be the management! it must be cover! it must be the unicorns! it must be the gachikois! The girl can NEVER has such a impure thoughts as not wanting to collab!" and banished all the other thought and opinions from (you)r tiny micro brain.

It's funny how the idea of the girls didnt want to collab themselves is so farfetched from most people here. (You) are no better than the unicorns, with (you)r persistent idea of "these girls are sooo opressed, it must be the management! it must be cover! it must be the unicorns! it must be the gachikois! The girl can NEVER has such a impure thoughts as not wanting to collab!" and banished all the other thought and opinions from (you)r tiny micro brain. Go kys faggots

>>5336056
Anon already dropped them you fucking faggot.

>>5304013

Shut the fuck up

>>5336796
yeah suddenly everyone stopped collabing since January 2020 nothing happened at all

>>5336796
They are obviously used the male Vtuber to get popular back in the day and when they are done with them, they will never talk to them again. Many suck case, it is still 3DPD behind the avatar lol

>>5336796
>>5337677
>broken English
...aaaaaaand
this opinion is worthless

>>5337677
This place doesn’t get triggered by 3D male collabs dipshit, we just hate the trash taste guys for bringing normalfags into vtubing. The jp girls have recently done streams with Japanese male celebrities and we haven’t complained.

>>5336056
... That's exatly what I have been doing anon...

>>5304013
Old Subaru. Modern Subaru sounds like she's trying too hard to be a caricature of herself every single second. It's probably the correct move in terms of boosting her popularity and I admire how dedicated she is, but I just can't enjoy her streams like I used to.

>>5352021
Old Subaru just wanted to have a good time.
New Subaru is a coomer for nigger udders.

>>5341117
>The jp girls have recently done streams with Japanese male celebrities and we haven’t complained
Well yeah, that's the same thing as Japanese idols talking with males on variety shows. There's no sense of intimacy between them.
Just imagine someone from 3-4-5th gen bubble suddenly coming out to say that they're going to do 3D collab with Nijimale playing twister, and I'm not talking about the 'Holo approved' male like Maimoto. I'm talking about the big KKK, Kuzuha, Kanae, Kenmochi. People definitely aren't going to be okay with that shit.

>>5358387
The Japanese consider a Holostars collab more problematic than a collab with a Niji male