/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>52812686
>west
it’s teenage girls and filipinos

>>52812686
>the West
NTR is one of the most popular genres in JAV

>>52812686
>cucked
Here's your (You).

>>52812686
Generations of being raised by single mothers.

>>52812686
>In fact i'd be more shocked if it turned out nobody had one, would actually kinda concerning
I like how this guy thinks that if you don't have a partner in your life you are not normal. Peak normie.

>>52812686
how can someone get cucked if they're not even in a relationship?

>>52812686
americans think you're a failure and should kill yourself if you're not getting railed in high school

>>52812871
SHUT UP SHUT UP AHHHHHH

>>52812871
It's a relationship between a Holo and a fan.

>>52812686
He has a point. I'd prefer it if my oshi didn't lie to my face and say she's never held hands with a boy in her life or some bullshit. Deep down you know she has a boyfriend, why would you want her to pretend otherwise?

>>52812686
He's right

>>52812917
So each holo is in a relationship with hundred thousands of fans, kinda whorish if you think about it

>>52812686
Most westeners asked for Tempus and collabs with the girls at start but look at the state of EN now.

>>52812986
Fans are a singular being

>>52812686
Why is that X beside the name?

>>52813033
because it's a comment under OP's video

>>52813021
Holos are able to recognize their fans individually especially their paypigs, so your logic still doesn't make any sense

The west has a weird sex cult mentality.

But also I get the feeling they want it to 'own the incels', because you can't just be a nerd with a hobby anymore- normalfags WILL come and ruin it because the idea of stuff existing that isn't totally fucked rubs them the wrong way for some reason.

>>52813069
Hey OP, can you ban that ironic Holofan?

>>52812686
>"No, I don't have a boyfriend, it is forbidden to have one."
DYRBI

>>52812853
Reminds me of a conversation I had with a normalfag on 4chan where they got seriously pissed off that I told them you didn't need to constantly be in a relationship. The idea of being single is offensive to some people.

>>52813011
Once again I have to tell you that Tempus did not kill HoloEN. It was HoloEN that killed HoloEN, literally go tell them to stream. Responsibility belongs to the individual (females), not some Holostar males.

>>52813130
I think it's more fucked up to expect other people to stay "pure" and partnerless for their audience especially when they don't even offer GFE lmao

>>52813191
Explain the fanbase divides, Nijification and severe drop of numbers to those that collabed with them.

>>52812686
>It is forbidden to have one
who said that?

>>52812686
Why is the concept of keyfabe so hard to understand for these people?

>>52813069
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/image/BGvBA4Vd_tNowepMokgHUg/
https://youtube.com/watch?v=m_A-_2--t-M
>Hololive Clips is a /#/ poster
Kek

>>52813021
no, we are not.

>>52813286
Gura and IRyS used to pull big numbers and now they also get shit numbers but you conveniently ignored them because it doesn't fit your narrative

>>52813130
you are the ones ruining it with your delusions and your cuckoldry obsession.

She is not your gf.

What exactly is wrong with idol girls selling a few years of their youth in exchange for a lot of money and fame?
They know what they are in for, no one forced them to become idols. They can always be generic twitch streamer sluts if they wanted to, but they didn't go for that.

So the girl is single and focuses her attention on her fans for a few years, letting them enjoy the kayfabe of a virtual idol girlfriend that loves them.
In exchange said fans give her a lot of money, boost her, cheer her on and buy her merch and go to her concerts.

At some point she graduates and both sides look back on a great happy time they spent together. Both sides benefited, both got something out of it and both had happier lives for it.
Who is being hurt here?

>>52813285
It's simple anon.
Stay pure and partnerless while you are Holo in consideration of your fans.
After you graduate go out take as much as dick as you want.

>>52813286
>fanbase divides
Avoidable if they continued streaming
>Nijification
Didn't happen, STILL didn't happen. Call me when all-girl sleepover streams have 3 guys making a surprise visit
>severe drop of numbers
No streams

>>52813285
It is. The reason why I believe it's forbidden is because women tend to talk about dicks, sex, and their periods a lot without guidance or rules. So to stop that, they make idols "forbidden" to have boyfriends to keep the constant sex talk stifled.

>>52812686
>that would actually be kinda concerning
What did he mean by this?

>>52813393
>Stay pure and partnerless while you are Holo in consideration of your fans.
That's some fucked up rule you made up yourself lmao, not even Cover cares about their talents' personal lives, it's not the company nor the fans business

>>52813417
VShojo and indies does prove that

>>52813385
Cuckholds

>>52812686
People who treat vtubers as streamer entertainment instead of parasocial waifu relationship don't care about their actual relationships. "My boyfriend this my girlfriend that" obviously always gets annoying over time, but if they don't bring that up, that's fine. The only exception would be GFE vtubers that cultivate fanbase that WILL get invested, that's on the vtuber then. Otherwise fair game. And that's not just about normies - some otaku already had anime waifus before vtubers were a thing. If you already devoted yourself to a character, why do you care about some vtuber's personal life, even if you watch them?

>>52813385
a lot of these girls are not young. They are in their 30s. If they wait any longer they are going to become spinsters

It's not fair for them to waste their lives to please a bunch of delusional, selfish losers.

>>52813393
>>52813385
This

>west oshis
>Mori
>Towa
>Kroni
>Aloe
This cuck mindset is truly something worth to study

>>52813525
Sounds like they shouldn't have taken up a profession that stops them from finding a partner

>>52813417
that's dumb tho, they're not allowed to talk about their real life identities in the first place, why would they be allowed to disclose the fact that they have a boyfriend?

>>52813555
He says this posting Altare's little cumdump

>>52813457
Some holos live by the same rule, see Kanata.
Giving up romance is literally the ONLY thing people ask of these girls in exchange for them becoming millionaires over a few years.
Is that too much to ask for? I don't think so and plenty of holos and vtubers do just that, no need to watch and support those who want to have their cake and eat it too.

>>52812686
maybe you're the problem?

>>52812871
Anyone who enjoys vtubers the wrong way is a cuck, and it's fun to shitpost with. So don't question it

>>52813393
>>52813130
>>52813385

You guys said you don't care if the RM had a bf as long as they didn't do male collabs. Now you are backtracking.

>>52813607
Don't ever post miko again, you subhuman piece of shit

>>52813640
It's cope. We all care about the RM bf

who cares lol
They are not real idols. It's like sperging out about twitch e-thots having a boyfriend

>>52813640
I care about anything I know. I don't go looking for it, but if I find out because they mess up and make it known beyond their private life that's on them
I can't be upset about something I don't know about.

>>52813602
that's not even remotely true. Antis in vt get angry about any little thing:

>>52813640
Public discussion shifted that way because male collabs were used as a way to shit on their fans. Male interaction like variety show appearances have always been part and parcel of the idol package.

>>52813640
Retards make their own rules all the time
Remember when "people" shit on Mumei and Fauna after council debut because of doxxshit but now Mumei and Fauna are apparently in the "pure" category just because they don't interact with males, it's hilarious how unicorn behavior changes based on the way they cope with reality

>>52812686
Is there a single hololive fan that thinks that every single hololive vtuber is single?

>>52813688
No it's not. That's why I watch holos and not twitch thots. Because they behave completely differently. If I was interested in western slut streamers I would watch them, but I'm not.

>>52813329
If you were around for Myth's debut, you should remember debut Mori. She was awkwardly abrasive and contrarian and tried to do everything possible to show that she was "different" from what people had come to expect from Hololive. Whether that was collabing with Trash Taste faggots, not doing even the slightest hint of fanservicey requests, or aggressively shooting down any Takamori banter, she was just unpleasant to be around. The reason she was like this is the same reason Ame told her viewers to improve themselves, the same reason Kronii imploded, the same reason Fauna said her viewers weren't her friends, and the same reason Ina keeps lecturing her viewers. They don't get vtubing. Or at least, they don't get why Hololive JP in particular is so popular.

Hololive JP is popular because the talents, for the most part, realize they are selling a product, a dream, an illusion. You have to be careful not to break that illusion, but in return people will give you insane amounts of money. This product is part the avatar, and part the person behind it but never really entirely one or the other. There has to be a balance, as Kizuna Ai showed, you can't just have the avatar with another person behind it. But you also can't just be yourself with an avatar, that's where the often used insult of "ethot with an avatar" comes in. You need some bit of character.

It's this bit that Western women, and particularly Hololive EN seems to struggle with. They want to prove they are bigger and better than the avatar. That people would like them for themselves, give money them for themselves, first draft, unedited. Which is total fucking bullshit. There's a reason they don't talk about their political stances or past relationships. There's a reason you aren't supposed to know their real names, real faces, real ages. Hololive is supposed to provide a nice neat digestible little package and for some reason, these women just fucking chafe at providing that, even if they stand to reap the benefits and make millions off it. Even the ones who weren't blatantly against it from the beginning like Fauna or Ina can't help every now and then but slip and drop the mask so they can lecture their fans because that's what the "real them" would do. That's what they really think.

Do you really think Nene wants people to report when they masturbate to her? Do you think any woman really wants that? Does Luna really think she's a baby? Is every single Holo in JP just somehow forever single and lonely despite many of them being charismatic, funny, and probably not hideous? No. But they know how to keep up kayfabe without their ego getting in the way, something most of Hololive EN just can't stomach. And they resent it, some openly like Mori and Kronii from the beginning, and some like Fauna or Ame or Ina when it just bubbles out at the worst time. But these hypocrites will rake in money hand over fist from sad lonely men, while still trying to convince themselves they aren't taking advantage of anyone. These men are willing to be taken advantage of, is it too much to ask that they don't openly spit on them after the transaction goes through?

>>52813385
>What exactly is wrong with idol girls selling a few years of their youth in exchange for a lot of money and fame?
>"a few" years
>money
>fame
Nigger, that sounds like a horrible trade. The value of a woman takes a nose dive the older they get while none of these holos are really rolling in the dough and their "fame" disappears overnight if they graduate.
You're asking to be cucked by forcing non-GFE streamers to abide to your stupid "rules".

>>52813759
>unicorns
Also they are in the CGDCT category, redditbro

okay, i'll get a boyfriend then

>>52813916
>CGDCT category
that's still a cope bud, nobody uses this term to refer to holos before 2022

>>52813906
Ask the world's population of women whether they'd be willing to trade 5 years of romancing life for becoming a millionaire.
A lot of them will say yes absolutely, where do I sign

>>52813385
>Absolutely no males team
>>52813602
>Absolutely no romance team
>>52813704
>No males on stream team
>>52813730
>Professional male collabs only team
There is no consensus around here, how can anyone know what the fans truly want?

>>52813880
You have to understand that for women catering to ugly males is humiliating and uncomfortable.
They are biologically conditioned against it.
Please, cut them some slack.

>>52813968
>millionaire
fucking lol

>>52813971
All of those are the same. When people say "don't have a bf" that obviously doesn't mean they cannot have one. If they hide it so no one knows, no one can be upset. It's logic.

>>52813906
That's their choice. Nobody is forcing them to pander to those sorts of people. Keep your whore tendencies at bay, be showered in love and money. Or don't, up to them.

>>52813826
No. Because of doxx we can safely separate those that are and aren't single.

>>52814036
How new? seriously

>>52813971
We're all on the romance bad team. One believes that romance bad but don't ask don't tell.

>>52812686
the real question is why so many people seem to think watching a girl with a bf is cuck behavior. No one applies this logic to porn or to youtube videos or anything else.

>>52813971
>how can anyone know what the fans truly want
The situation already works out since we have girls in each category, everyone can find someone that fits for them, outside of beggers for some reason since they don't seem to actually watch the girls or the boys.

>>52812686
The correct question is: Why are unicorn brains forever unable to comprehend the simple fact that not everyone is a fucking unicorn?
No, I'm not being "cucked" if some girl I was never going to be in a relationship with has a boyfriend.

>>52813191
Go on another bender you old faggot

>>52814091
Because that "girl with a bf" is an "idol"

>>52813968
yeah and it would be a dumb decision. If you are 32 and "take the offer" you are most likely giving up the chance of ever having children. Specially in Japan, where youth is so important for finding a partner.

>>52814119
Why do these people feel the need to step in and demand gachikois to accept that?

>>52814119
Do you have an oshi?

>>52814050
>up to them
Then stop fucking whining about it, nigger. Jesus christ every day unicucks shit up whatever general with their endless woman-like gossiping and shit. Yeah, "nobody is forcing them" says the faggots raging at my oshi and driving her further to suicide because they can't contain your cuck fantasies to themselves.

>>52813906
shut the fuck up deadbeat

>>52814091
Why would you watch a vtuber idol that is already being taken care of? That doesn't rely on your (read: the fans') support?

>>52813880
This is copypasta but it's a good one so I'll allow it

>>52814158
well I watch hololive "idols" and don't see myself as a bf or husband because im not mentally ill. Also people apply on this board constantly apply the same standard to indies, vshojo, and indie so this is clearly bullshit.

>>52812686
>No I don't have a boyfriend, it's forbidden
Has ANY holo ever said this? At least with the tone this dumbass is implying?

The nips love their NTR though, I blame them for a lot of otakus developing a cuck kink

>>52814223
Kronie that's just sad.

>>52814264
Because I find them entertaining? You really watch vtubers to be a replacement for their bf? Seems like mental illness, she will never know who you are and you have no idea what she does off camera.

>>52812853
No normie behavior is for women to have a successful career “because they don’t need no man.” So it’s weird they try to push that on holos even more so when you admit you don’t watch them by quoting something never said by anyone

>>52814223
Barking up the wrong tree pal, I like most others just quietly go away. Schizos on this board are who you're actually mad at, they don't actually care they just want a reason to shit up the place.

>>52814045
No, a lot of these people would be very upset if she had being hiding a boyfriend.

Rushia is an example of this.

meant to say niji and not indie twice, im dumb

I know that I will never actually be in a relationship with the vtuber.
I will never even meet them. I am not their bf, husband or anything else, I'm just a fan.

But I enjoy the illusion and the atmosphere and the experience. Coming home from work and having a girl there happy to see us and be there for us, like we are there for her. It's symbiotic. She makes us happy, we make her happy.
This doesn't work if she's got a bf.

>>52812686
>it's forbidden
Literally no hololive member says this. Several do have partners or had in the past but there is no reason to talk about it in depth. Stop being so obsessed over streamer's personal lives and enjoy the funny anime girl.

>>52814264
Because it's fun?

>>52814223
>Cuck fantasies
Your oshi is either single or taken. There's no middle ground.
If she's taken you are a cuck, not because you wanted to pretend to be in a relationship with her but because you are supporting a woman who already has all the support she needs.

>>52814223
If you cut through the dramanigger chaff most people who are genuinely mad about a Holomem having a boyfriend is because part of being and idol fan is wishing for the group to succeed and a member having a boyfriend hurts that.
>>52814383
Remember when fandeads just huddled up in a Twitter space and cried.

>>52814403
First of all, once something comes out that's a different story. What is actually hidden is hidden and thus no one can be mad about it.
Second, you're stupid, Rushia didn't have a bf, trust me I know more about her story than you with your catalogue reader knowledge.

>>52812686
has any woman in en(i dont watch en) ever commented on having a boyfriend in any form? let alone utter "it's forbidden to have one." (something that is categorically false, you can have a boyfriend but its likely to make you less successful, and most women know they can have one whenever they want so will prioritize "fame")

>>52814501
>Rushia didn't have a bf, trust me I know more about her story than you with your catalogue reader knowledge.
Holy fuck fandead, she's gone...you can let go now.

>>52814436
>This doesn't work if she's got a bf.
Why not?

>>52814436
Bruh, she reads 1 comment from you on stream and doesn't remember you or know you.

How can people say this stupid crap about holos? Maybe 2views can give you that experience.

>>52814147
You should explain why you disagree, I bet people are interested

>>52813880
Unfathomably based.

>>52814587
Nta but I am just not a cuck

>>52813285
Then they should probably get a real job.

>>52813191
Explain why the homocollabers fell off hard including the one that streams the most. Meanwhile Fauna inclined hard.

>>52814587
Because it ruins the illusion on top of her shifting her behavior and priorities. You're no longer who she goes to support, you're not who she's happy to see in the evening.
By all means, if you enjoy watching twitch whores like Nyanners or Vei, do your thing. I certainly don't and I'd sooner burn my money than support such people.

>>52814481
Why? How is it any different from supporting male podcasters and authors?

>>52813640
The rules are simple. Hololive existed in a certain way before you and will continue to exist after you find a new community to parasite off of. No one's tastes will change because you're a fundamentally broken person who needs to fuck things up. Like the weirdos on /a/ who seethe about anime girls not fucking every dude in their anime school, the problem clearly lies with you.

>>52812686
Brainlets who uses vtuber lingo like >oshi without knowing it's meaning
>>52812871
Brainlets who don't understand having someone you have feelings for taken is in fact cuckening or NTR more specifically

How is one supposed to have a discourse when this reddit@rds-infested site cannot comprehend basic terms

>>52814282
>well I watch hololive "idols" and don't see myself as a bf or husband because im not mentally ill
Some people do. Some people are lonely and just need companionship, albeit virtual and through a screen. Hololive has made it a business to provide this to them, and they pay generously for that. To object to this is like the myth of consent meme.
>Also people apply on this board constantly apply the same standard to indies, vshojo, and indie so this is clearly bullshit.
Because they're stupid dramaniggers who look for any chance to shit on anyone, either that or people who already dislike the parties involved and just want to bring them down.

>>52813657
no

>>52814529
Ame, kind of.
She talked about how it's weird to oshi a married/taken chuuba and said once that most keep their relationships hidden using an Elvis Presley example (he hid his girlfriend from the public since most of his fans were female)

>>52813590
Because it loops back around to owning the incels. But yeah this also feeds into the weird westerners who can't into kayfabe or playing a character, the VA and the character have to be the same person in the mind of the porn addled westerner as they scream "I am the normal one because I want everyone to be in a giant orgy all the time".

>>52813417
Speaking of vulgarity, I hate how male vtubers, even corpo ones, are allowed to be outright disgusting, talk about sex or their dick constantly, play porn games, and generally display manwhore behavior without repercussions. I like idol culture, so I prefer my vtubers to be seiso, and I don't even like watching vtubers that swear excessively. I think that if corpos had a tighter leash on what their male talents talked about they'd have a much wider appeal, not just female coomers looking for an e-prostitute

>>52814756
you will never be a woman or pass tranny

>>52814704
What the RM do doesn't impact Hololive though.
Also, Hololive is constantly changing. Need I remind you male collabs were common?

>>52813521
>why do you care about some vtuber's personal life
Because people who "care" about someone else's personal life do not have their own.

>>52813457
>IT'S FUCKED UP IF PEOPLE AREN'T CONSTANTLY HAVING SEX
Grow up faggot.

Twitch trash and ironic weebs invaded the hobby and wants to impose their "YAS QWEEN SLAY LET'S OWN THESE INCELS" values onto vtubing together with mindless gender pronounds and tranny agenda. I hope they all neck themselves collectively.

>>52814681
If you do support male podcasters or e-celebs you are worse than anyone on this thread.

>>52814809
It often does because they are incapable of keeping their private life just that - private. Some cannot help but try to have a second career elsewhere, while also being an internet personality there.

>>52813191
It did for me, and that's all I care about. I would've supported all of them if they were kept as separate entities.

>>52814809
Okay. But hololive already exists in the "they don't have boyfriends" zone, the only one trying to change that is you (outsider). So maybe consider your shrieking opinions mean nothing to me. Hololive could appeal to you and then all the girls would get low income like Kronii, because you're not actually a paying customer. You're probably a clipwatcher too.

>>52814781
Where are you limp fucks coming from?

>>52814781
I'm with you femanon, you should get male vtubers that behave the same way many female vtubers do for us male fans.

>>52814678
One data point (Mori Calliope) doesn't establish your conclusion. She has had more drama moments than Tempus, so you have to account for those factors. Everyone else in the picture have objectively less stream hours. Go ahead and post Fauna's stream statistics.

>>52813021
KEK look at this reaching cuck

>>52814817
Okay. But no one cares because this is a nerd hobby board, not a dating board, so you can go somewhere else if it bothers you.

>>52814746
I don't have a problem with people seeing themselves as their BF even if I think its a weird. The problem is they assume every person is doing is the same thing, that they are the normal ones and the majority, and they usually are antis who hate any of the girls who do male collabs.

>>52814158
They aren’t though.

Something to keep in mind is that no holo or vtuber is owed any support, not even your subscription, which costs nothing but a click.
If I don't enjoy what I'm getting, why should I subscribe much less spend my time watching or my money supporting them? And I simply prefer holos like Miko, Kanata, Koyori, Gura etc. over Matsuri, Towa, most IDs, Towa, Mori, Kronii and so on.

>>52814675
That's more or less the answer I excepted, but you could apply the same logic to her family members, friends, or any other person that is important to her irl. If what you said in the first paragraph of your earlier post is true, what makes a boyfriend so different then?

>>52814768
>Elvis Presley
It's just part of human nature to not be able to "love" a taken person as much. Everyone knows this. Due to the rules here I'll keep it vague but even one of the champions of tearing down idol culture had a hidden boyfriend that was only revealed by a careless family member.

>>52812686
>the West
Meanwhile in the East:

Imagine giving a woman on the internet money to feed her boyfriend and buy condoms, justifying it with "t-they are entertainers!1 they deserve to be happy!!"
This is PEAK american.

>>52814920
Cope. Unicorns won. Some of them stooped homocollabing. They felt the loss in revenue and came crawling back. If they want to be whores they can join nijiEN. Too bad nijiEN us dying. Luxiem cant even get 1/5 of Fauna's numbers kek. Unicorns run this hobby.

>>52814886
>Okay. But hololive already exists in the "they don't have boyfriends" zone
How fucking gullible and dumb are you? There are several Holos with confirmed boyfriends.

>>52814951
>this is a nerd hobby board, not a dating board
Exactly.

>>52815071
Not a single EN stopped other than Mumei, who only had a single group collab with JP stars.
Unless you're referring to the likes of Subaru or Miko who way way back used to interact with some guys.

>>52812853
I'd much rather have them retire after a period of idol performance and settle down to a quiet life as a housewife with a loving husband and beautiful children. If they are still single multiple years after debut without a sense of growth or improvement in their lives it is concerning that they are stagnating in life and will become desperate once the easy money goes away.

She’s NOT your girlfriend.
She’s NOT your wife.
You are NOT here manager.
You are an incel and you need help.
/thread

Well considered all of HoloEN bar maybe 1 has a confirmed bf, and people continue to support them, I'm thinking this is a non-issue.

>>52815061
Americans are the biggest unicorns by far, at least for the EN scene.
Europeans, SEA, latin americans and most of the world don't go for the purity crap.

>>52814999 (me)
For the record, I watch neither Nyanners nor Vei, and what I'm talking about is vtubers who simply have boyfriends, not flaunt them on stream. That's two different things.

>>52815003
Well i mean, it's against the rules to love a taken person.
If you do you will catch the hands of the partner he/she has. A lot of people like cuckoldry but irl it's way more complex. There's customs and morals to prevent another person for taking your loved one.

>>52815138
You tell em sister. Post it on twitter too.

>>52814827
>Twitch trash and ironic weebs invaded the hobby
And they already fucked off to the next bandwagon. Look at Mori, ollie and nijiEN's numbers. If you want views and money you pander to unicorns.

>>52815061
Okay, counterpoint: a guy giving money to a girl on the internet because he thinks it will bring him closer to a sexual relationship with her is even more pathetic.

>>52812686
Another 2view shitter that wants unicorn and GFE money, but doesn't want to work for it. Just pretend to not have a boyfriend for 3-5 years, and you can graduate and fuck all the men you want while being set for life.
Even fleshtubing females know not to bring up boyfriends or males on stream to attract paypigs, why do these people think they're any different from the general streaming scene? Pandering is the goal.

>>52815138
They'll still keep pandering to us because the ones that didn't now have shit views KEK

>>52812686
Why do you have this obsession with cucking? The chuuba isn't your woman. You can't have someone fucked out from under you when she isn't under you to begin with.
(You) should see someone about your mental illness.
>Ah! This person I do not know, and will never meet, and neither knows nor cares that I in particular exist, has a life! I'm being cucked! NoooOoOooooo!