/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>52454285
They did all of those things, actually.

>>52454285
>They aren't responsible for the loss of audience of HoloEN (in fact they even exposed the EN branch to a new market)
>Collabs are always fun
wait those two are lies here's your (you) faggot

>>52454285
Because they have a cock and /vt/ can't stop thinking about it

>>52454354
How's that a lie ?

@52454378
sorry this shitty bait isn't worth 2 (you)s

>>52454285
God hates fags and I (like my oshi Gura) am a good Christian.

>>52454285
They poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses

>>52454549
They did!?

>>52454691
No, but are we just gonna wait around until they do?!

>>52454285
Okay, but death to homos for real.

>>52454285
They are fucking my oshi while i get to watch

I don't know who those people are because I don't watch males and I won't watch males

>>52454285
Your new market is getting mogged to shit by superchats reading streams from Bae lmfao

>>52454285
Buy an ad homo

>>52454285
But anooon making sense isn't allowed here, only faggotry! /s

>>52454285
>(in fact they even exposed the EN branch to a new market)
Is that supposed to be a good thing?

>>52454285
>IT
>SHOULD'VE
>BEEN
>ME

>>52454345
Including the fun collabs?

>>52454285
Tempus isn't what unicorns actually hate and what they hate is that many vtubers will only pander to unicorns for a short while. Eventually they get tired of playing girlfriend and will spam male collabs to get rid of their unicorns. Instead of accepting the harsh reality that it was role playing they blame the guys for somehow forcing the collabs.

>>52454285
/vt/ is gayer than the actual fans of Tempus since they can't stop thinking about their cocks all day

>>52454378
NTA but first, they clearly accelerated the decline of holoEN so hard it's extremely visible and nobody cannot see it without being absolutly disonest someone can post the graph for you if you need it or just go check on the number thread if you don't need to be spoon feeded.
And collab aren't always fun, they can sometime be so loud you can't even wrap your head aroun what is happening, they can also be extremely akward, or just plain boring, it does happen denying it would be once again very dishonest.
Also i'll raise a third point, is that their exitence caused so much fight in the fanbase that the community is far less attractive than it was before, just by the sin of them existing. A whole ton of people have left the communities now and it's 100% their fault.

>>52462134
Good luck on your journey to learn English

>>52454285
buy the fucking ad Vesper (or homo intern) you're not gonna get people to watch your new outfit by baiting them.

>>52463357
Nice deflection faggot

>>52454285
I hate all of HoloEN, not just these sex perverts.

>>52462134
>clearly accelerated the decline of holoEN so hard
You are giving them too much credit. So, let's look at the members who declined:
1.Ame had her "improve yourself" moment, homos did nothing
2.Kronii had her woman moment(s), homos did nothing
3.Mori was already steadily declining before her first homo collab. In fact, Mori's homo collabs are one of the most popular streams on her channel from the last year or so
4.Bae was already "tainted" by JP homos
5.Ina's problems had no relation to Tempus

Besides all that, you'll often see that "magical" graph showing how Tempus killed HoloEN which conveniently ignores that EN's top talent, Gura, has basically stopped streaming and that has fucked their average CCV hard. Remove peko, marine, subaru, miko, aqua, and suisei and you'll get the same result. JPs just have more talents to spare.
Even if you believe homo collabs are responsible for the decline, the women themselves accepted them or even organized some. Fauna and Kiara had no problem acknowledging Tempus but also at the same time setting clear boundaries. And no, Tempus are not responsible for Cover's decision to debut them instead of EN3. They were some random 2views (except for vesper and clown), and they took their chances just like the rest of the talents in the company.
I rarely watch their streams, and personally I only find 2-3 of them to be okay/tolerable, but most of the arguments presented on this board against them are just ridiculous. It's like when someone chokes by drinking water, and then somehow the water is to be blamed for existing. Convenient, but it isn't right.

>>52457409
>/s

go back

>>52454354
>exposed the EN branch to a new market
yea, 10k deranged trannies

>>52454285
People make all sorts of excuses, but normal people wouldn't sperg out about it as much as they do.
At its core, there is only one real reason.

insecure, mentally ill, hikikomori incels make up the majority of the board, why do you think they hate them?
jealousy, easy as, kid

>>52454285
Because I don't want Hololive to become Niggersanji.

>>52463357
Good luck on your journey to learn English, faggot.

>>52464903
retards like the one you are replying to and to a much lesser extend you even if you raise some good points would do well to visit the /#/ numbers general because maybe then you all would realize that the decline is an industry wide thing, affecting even fleshstreamers, the end of the pandemic decreased viewership all around

>>52462134
The only thing that became worse with Tempus is Kronii, but it was 100% on her. None of the homos held her at gun point and forced her to say any of the retarded shit she did during her solo streams like the "don't you guys have female friends" moment among others. It was ALL her. Tempus was just the thing she tripped over, but if they didn't exist she would had done it anyways over something else.

I'm not gonna watch them and dudes on twitch are better, stay mad homo shill force

>>52454285
OP, your homos on get hate here. And everything else is just that they're flat out irrelevant. All four of those guys could horribly die and JP girls wouldn't find out about it for weeks.

>>52454285
>They aren't responsible for the loss of audience of HoloEN
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAG
HAHAHAHAHAHAH1HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Meanwhile Fauna gained viewers. Next time b1ck your claims up.

>>52465641
Too late

>>52454285
>So why do you hate them so much ?
Unicorns are just a loud minority.
Sane people would just watch them and maybe join membership and be happy.
In fact, lots of indies do collab with males (just check /asp/, /lig/ and /indie/) but there's nowhere this much seethe over penises (except from those chuubas who blatantly do GFE - a minority too).

>>52454285
>jealous 2views seethe this auditions got rejected
>make up random shit
>schizos eat it up
>rinse and repeat

>>52462134
Correlation does not equal causation, my very dumb anonchama. Unless you interviewed each and every person who stopped watching, then by all means.

>>52462134
>it's their fault retarded monkeys chimp out!
You know it's a streamer's responsibility to at least try to keep their audience under control, right? The girls only have themselves to blame for milking the crazies instead of setting boundaries or outright filtering them.

>>52454285
>they didn’t killed HoloEn
Lol I had to hear how it was totally not because of Tempiss but because Summer ended. Well a year later and It’s still crashing, Summer Buff doko!?

>>52454285
So true sister!

>The only ones not to decline were the ones that
Didn’t collab with Homostars or outside of Hololive. Breaking the holo garden walls just to collab with twitch retards and NijiEn. “Let’s do everything that’s not Hololive!” ….what retards

>>52472985
>already forgetting Sana

>>52472121
Everyone that doesnt like males is not a unicorn. You redditor faggots are just throwing buzzwords around completely out of context.
Example, my first oshi was a small japanese manga artist that was married. Unicorn wants a girl that is PURE/virgin. You got brainwashed into thinking that everyone who doesnt like male vtubers or collabs with them is a unicorn.
I personally cant stand male vtubers. They rarely bring anything to the table. Most of them are somehow even bigger ironic weebs and faggots that jumped onto vtubing bandwagon for an easy paycheck.

>>52472121
>(just check /asp/, /lig/ and /indie/)
Yeah just check the worst cancer that vtubing has to offer. Most of asp and indie fags are western trannies with 78 pronouns in their bios.

I don't hate them.
I don't have to like them.

>>52472714
No, it's covers fault for deciding to go down this route since gen 3, with some exceptions like Matsuri, Towa, etc. So everyone got used to that being the norm. Look at JP stars, they BARELY get any attention from the girls even after all this time. But here, they wanted to replicate Luxiems success so they needed all the shilling and girl collabs that they can get. Hell. even redditors were upset that girls were not allowed to stream around tempus debuts. Even some JP ones, which is shocking. No wonder people hate those faggots.

>>52465549
yaaasss go get em sis

>>52473294
Gura's average stream viewers went up because the number of streams went way fucking down so every time she streamed it was like a fucking miracle kek

My favorite part of this is how Gura probably knew in advance what cover is doing and said fuck this I'm out. She wanted a CGDCT company and not a bunch of faggots that need constant shilling so they can MAYBE break from being 3views lmao.

>>52476930
>yet again this cope rears its head so he doesn't have to acknowledge that the shark is incredibly lazy

>(in fact they even exposed the EN branch to a new market)
fujos
>Collabs are always fun
collabs have never been fun, none of them have fun personalities and they need to stay away from my oshi

>>52477422
Collabs were not fun even before tempus. Myth had zero chemistry together and solo streams were always better. Some collabs with the girls including Irys and Kronii were ok but that was literally it.
I honestly prefer my oshi solo no matter what. Collabs are rarely good.

>>52478937
man
I'm glad I'm not you, groups of 2-4 always make for superior content imo

>>52454285
their crime was to not get naked on stream

>>52479827
you must be a nijifan

>>52484013
christ no
just a guy whose favorite youtubers were sbfp

>>52476930
based, she's just like me

>>52473367
sana barely lasted a year

>>52454285
Just remember that god hates faggots and they’re all going to burn in hell, so we’ll win in the end bros, we can laugh at these homos experiencing eternal torment from the pearly gates

>>52454285
You're a stupid piece of shit. Even knowing this is bait it still makes me mad that somewhere some idiot might unironically believe this. They killed holoEN, pure and simple. The numbers don't lie. Mori, Kronii and Ame all took a nosedive after they started sucking dick, Ina and Gura peaced the fuck out instead of dealing with it, etc etc. I'll never forgive these homos or their beggars for ruining the happy, kino times we used to have

>>52484917

>>52454285
>So why do you hate them so much ?
Because it brought women to this board.

>>52484917
>Kronii one of the smallest reclines
>Mumei and Kiara some of the largest reclines
>>>>>>kino times
I, too, love Minecraft part 582645297

>>52484989
Gura got 21k on their last outlast collab while Mori got <5k IIRC (vod deleted), so clearly it's not a dealbreaker for some people. Still doesn't change what happened to EN and the fanbase.

>>52484917
Would you like to tell me how Kronii took a nosedive when her numbers were always bad?

>>52484989
Gura got 21k on their last Outlast collab while Mori got <5k IIRC, so it's clearly not a dealbreaker for some people. And the fact of that matter is that the changes of last year affected people's attitude towards the branch and holo because it mattered to them. It is not the same as before, and never again will be.

>>52486082
Gura gets more viewers per stream because with how few streams she does each one is a fucking miracle event that everyone shows up for
That and she attained meme status so she always will have public mind share

>>52466169
This is the truth. Streaming as a whole has declined post-pandemic. This is why Cover is investing so much into their 3D idol concert studio stuff. VR/AR entertainment is the future, streaming is a fad.

>>52486159
>it's a miracle event that everyone shows up for
The stream before that was the lowest she's gone in almost a year so it seems like they're getting fed up with her shit too

>>52486159
>always excuses in MY favor
kek, stop seething that you can't possibly hard filter more than Gura is doing right now yet she still gets more retention than from collabing with males

>>52486419
I aint seething at all
I'm just observing trends, I don't really give a fuck who gets more noombers or fewer noombers
I just like watching streams

>>52486628
Of course you don't care, that's why this situation doesn't bother you, dumb normalfag

>>52486771
>REEEEEEEEEEE why aren't you staring at the NOOOOMBERS YOU STUPID NORMALFAG THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT MATTERS

>>52476930
the funny thing about this is that the JP Stars antis actually believe this

>>52486917
No, I'm not referring to numbers, I'm saying you're defending the state of things and how they've come about because you're a dumb normalfag. I don't really even care to make this argument because what's the point now, but I'm also not just going to let people make stupid arguments and claims.

>>52487420
>I'm not referring to numbers
>>52484917
>They killed holoEN, pure and simple. The numbers don't lie.

>>52487516
That's not me, but I don't know what other metric you'd use to make an objective assessment of that.

>>52487703
So you're admitting that the only objective measurements you have of anything "killing" HoloEN is noombershit and everything else regarding "the situation" or "the state of things" is purely subjective to (you) and your pure imagination of how the talents or other fans(outside of a cherry-picked minority) actually feel about things

>>52488073
Objective measurement is ultimately subjective in terms of its meaningfulness. If a bunch of normalfags somehow pump up the noombers then while being an objective success it's still an utter failure to the original demographic (and maybe in some other ways) This is never going to be anything less than subjective, but I will say that the handling of the product created huge amounts of unnecessary conflict and from that perspective did "ruin" things in the vein of having casualties from a needless war...well, that hasn't even ended and probably never will.

>>52488605
Here's the secret
The "war" is ultimately meaningless and barely affects anything unless you let it bother you
The "casualties" are imaginary because nobody who matters that's involved is expressing major discontent with the things that those fighting the "war" are actually fighting over
So if you ignore it you realize things aren't really so bad

>>52488967
That's not how people work, you know that, and it would be a problem if they did.

>>52489088
Is it a problem to ignore monkeys screaming and flinging shit at the windows at a zoo?

>>52489212
>just don't get mad that your values are violated
I'm not going to defend antisocial behavior, but your tyrant attitude is also disgusting

>>52489381
Your "values" are meaningless, illogical, and imposed on other people who don't necessarily want them.

>>52489492
I don't impose them. I leave. I said I was here only to refute dumb claims. My point still stands about unnecessary conflict, which you haven't refuted.

>>52454285
You are probably a dirty homobeggar but I'm in the mood so I'll humor you this time and explain it as clearly as possible, they get hate because the way their debut was handled was a direct spit in the face for any previous EN fan of hololive, consider:

- No 3rd gen in more than 2 years
- Council barely streams
- Myth burnout
- Mori
- Sana
- Kronii
- Openly Nijification as seen in the mixed collabs (because EN whores can't play a character for shit and they are DYING to stop being Holos and want to be a generic twitch whores)

Are the homos at fault?, not directly, their debut would have been A LOT better received if we had a 3rd EN gen before them AND they were doing their own thing, but no instead they went straight to leech the girls after a single month of doing solo work, and this is not considering the retarded corporate "magging" meme that was at full force the first week or so, then suddenly vanished.

Result?, there's resentment, a LOT of resentment towards them.

>>52489763
>went straight to leech the girls
you mean the girls went straight to hang out with them

>>52490024
Sure, maybe, but the result is the same it made them look like leeches, if the girls invited them they should've said something like "no, it's too early it'll fuck up my image, my growth, my fujos" or whatever excuse, but they didn't.

>>52490260
>saying no and being disrespectful to the seniors that asked you first
Do you say no to your seniors at work when they offer you a paid for lunch?

>>52490260
When you just moved in, have no friends in the area yet, and your neighbor's showing up at your door asking to hang out and get to know each other, the immediate thought isn't usually to be hyper concerned about what it'll do to your image

>>52454285
>be Tempus
>severely damage Holo EN's popularity and reputation
>cause several girls to foot-bullet themselves
>do Nijisanji EN style intergender collabs that nobody asked for
>fans alienated
>paypigs start walking away
>gee, why is Tempus so hated?

>>52490552
>>52490563
Absolutely retarded metaphors, this isn't about food nor about neighbors, you can't ignore the context while playing devil's advocate just because it's convenient for whatever argument you are trying to pull.

Food?, politely decline, knowing new neighbors?, oh boy you can relax I'm sure they've known each other very damn well in their private discords :^)

>>52490757
>be Tempus
>fanfiction
>thing that girls did themselves
>ogey
>(You) alienated
>(You) walking away

>>52490980
I don't know about the neighbour one but how the fuck is the senior co worker one a metaphor when that's literally what they are.
HoloEN is the senior to Tempus in a nip company that puts seniroity on a pedestal. Yes en branch, run by old nip ojisans.

>>52490980
I mean the metaphor works when you just change a few words
>When you just moved in
When you just joined a new streaming company
>have no friends in the area yet
have no streamer friends as your new streamer identity yet
>and your neighbor's showing up at your door asking to hang out and get to know each other
and someone in the same company is messaging you asking to hang out on stream and get to know each other
>the immediate thought isn't usually to be hyper concerned about what it'll do to your image

It works one to one, you're just retarded and trying to pretend it's so off-base

>>52491022
>If I pretend like Tempus didn't do severe damage to Holo EN then maybe I'll trick people into believing it...
Lol nah. Your only defense of Tempus is to pretend like they're hated for no reason and just ignore all the problems they've caused. That's pretty sad.

>>52491417
Ok
Prove that they damaged Hololive EN's popularity and reputation
>inb4 that one chart that shows "tempus debut" and the numbers start going down
No. That stupid shit's completely ignoring everything about the landscape of EN vtubing, their streaming frequency at the time, other factors like the general decrease of interest in streams within the public eye.
Give me hard fucking proof that Tempus, and distinctly Tempus, caused those viewers to leave. ALL of them, not just a few you pick out here and there.

>>52491609
You’re being trolled by people who live for le drama. That’s the downside to promoting idol and oshi culture in the west. Tempus are an easy means to an end. If Tempus were culled tomorrow things would immediately go back to Myth vs Kiara and so on. Le culture wars will only die with the industry itself, and honestly that might be mutually beneficial for everyone on this board.

>>52491609
>muh hard proof
We have quite some evidence stacked against them. It's like finding a dude with a bloody knife in a room with someone who just got stabbed 30 times. You'd still claim that it's not hard proof and maybe the victim stabbed itself and then threw the knife to the first person who entered the room.

>>52454285
based sister, tell em and set those damn incels straight

>>52492354
>We have quite some evidence stacked against them
then show it

I think it’s funny that these guys don’t seem to get along that well. Aside from Magni and Vesper

>>52492472
>No EN3
With the sudden HoloPro push right before the fags debuted and how often the fags would interact with the HoloEN girls it's safe to assume that EN management absolutely tried to pull a NijiEN and intended for Tempiss to be a replacement for EN3. No other reason why we still don't fucking have it. And HoloEN desperately needed a new gen of girls.
>Numbers
I mean we can see HoloEN's numbers absolutely plummet after the Tempiss announcement and debuts. The branch reached an absolute new low never seen before and somewhat the talents who managed to be stable are the ones who completely ignored the fags. Again no hard proof because other anti homo members declined too but still not something that favors them.
>Hololive culture
99% of Hololive's content and streams are CGDCT. There are a few outliners and even those are still far from spamming collabs with males or even flirt with them. Why is it so hard to imagine that the fans who chose Hololive over Nijisanji would not want to see a sudden influx of male collabs and get turned away by them? As I said management went way too fucking hard with Tempiss in the first months enough that it would be impossible to ignore their existence.
>the Tempiss numbers
Again Hololive fans shouldn't have a problem with mixed collabs or males right? No way that would turn them away. Then why are the homos such runts? They got all the exposure they needed and they STILL can't even compete with the weakest Hololive branch which is ID. Hell nowadays they get mogged by some small corpos. Why is that?
>Drama
to this day in this very thread you can still see people arguing about the homos. Even outside of /here/ homo collabs are still a pretty controversial topic. The Kronii saga was such a shitshow that it required an official statement from Cover and the second batch of fags had leddit getting locked down (something that only happens during extreme yabs like the chinkout). And we are seeing it in NijiEN right now constant drama isn't good for your audience.
Now the main narrative was always that unicorns are a small minority and yet as mentioned the homos numbers themselves are so low that it proves the vast majority of the fanbase actively refuses to watch them.
I could go on but thread is almost dead so who cares. This is not hard proof but it's enough logical evidence to suggest Tempiss being a big culprit in HoloEN reaching absolute lows in the past few months.

>>52493507
>not a single
>fucking
>piece of evidence linked
do you fucking understand the meaning of the word "evidence" you stupid motherfucker

with that out of the way
>how often the fags would interact with the HoloEN girls
Vast, vast majority of the time, EN girls were the first ones to contact them. Always were the first ones to respond or follow them on Twitter. Ame, Mori, Kronii, etc were the ones talking about collabing with them in the first place. And, as it's clear to see by the members who either DON'T interact with them or only do so in limited quantities, the members are free to interact with them as much or as little as wanted.
>it's safe to assume that EN management absolutely tried to pull a NijiEN and intended for Tempiss to be a replacement for EN3
This isn't proof. This is another claim, with no proof to substantiate it.
>No other reason why we still don't fucking have it.
I can name a couple potential reasons.
>lack of good applicants
>wanting to push the current members further rather than just adding on more like a gacha
>Numbers
All of this that follows is mistaking correlation for causation and, again, not a lick of fucking proof for it.
There are FAR more things going on that determine streamer viewership; people's spare time for streams, frequency of streams, more competition rising up in the landscape, and so on.
>Hololive culture
It's EXTREMELY easy to ignore collabs or material with streamers you don't like. I don't care for NijiEN collabs, and fuck, I don't even care for the Hololive EN collabs too often. You know what I do? I don't fucking watch them.
Yes, I see that the streams are happening. Yes, I see the chuuba faces and the influx of clips afterwards. I just don't watch them, and don't let it bother me. This is what normal fucking people do instead of getting mad about it.
And with Holo? When it comes to regular streams, 95% of the time you know who's going to be there before the stream starts. And for most of that remaining 5%, the people who suddenly show up aren't people you dislike.
>Tempus numbers
You realize that not watching somebody does NOT mean actively hating them, or disliking when they appear, right?
Just because Hololive fans wouldn't have a problem with mixed collabs or males doesn't mean they'll watch their solo content. Likely, people are already invested in the group or the streamers they have, and they just don't want to add on another fucking bunch to watch. So, they just leave them be. It doesn't mean that these fans all hate Tempus and want them gone. You'll have to actually, you know, PROVE that.
>Drama
/here/ is an irrelevant hellscape, so let's move on to other places:
>twitter
This was Kronii blowing things way out of proportion and handling things really, really fucking poorly on her end. Could've easily laid things out clearly as soon as she had the interest, and simply ignored the few who sperged out about it in the first place.
>leddit
Again, this was the leddit mod making a stupid fucking decision. Could've kept the sub open, deleted schizo comments here and there, and things would've rolled out fine.
Instead, both times they VASTLY overcompensated for the people who were actually upset about it, and thus inconvenienced and annoyed everyone.
And also, both Twitter and Reddit represent a pretty small fraction of the actual Holo fanbase. There's not even any proof that a good number of them actually watch streams, ever.

Your "evidence" sucks shit, try again later.

>>52494760
What kind of proof do you need exactly? Yeah no shit a Holo could suddenly switch her content to silent streams where she just stands there without saying a single word. She would inevitably see her numbers vanish into oblivion and you could still argue that there is no correlation.
I could keep going and debate your other points but the thread is dead anyway. Personally as a fan Tempiss soured my experience with HoloEN a lot and so did the lack of new members. If it wasn't for my oshi I wouldn't even bother with this crap anymore.

>>52495944
>What kind of proof do you need
Links, images, etc that directly show that a LARGE PORTION(let's say at least half) of the people who stopped watching Hololive EN did so because of Tempus, and not because of other reasons
Of course, you don't have proof of that, because the claim itself is ludicrous and impossible to prove

>>52496064
The only thing that could convince you would be to literally go around and interview every single person who stopped watching Hololive in the past year. And even then you could still argue that they were insincere or the data was manipulated.
Asking for hard proof nonstop is not a valid argument because at that point you could end up questioning literally everything that goes against your narrative. I suggest checking out Descartes.

>>52497187
>I can't provide actual substantial proof of my claims, so it's not a valid argument to ask for it!
And thus it all falls apart. All you have are rrats based on your own feelings and a select few other people you've seen around places echoing those feelings, plus a few other details that you've convinced yourself are directly related despite nothing solid that actually connects them. Therefore your rage that they caused "the downfall of Hololive EN" is unjustified because you don't even know for yourself if what you're saying is true, all you know is what YOU feel.
And this is where you say
>Well YOU give evidence that they DIDN'T!
You're the one making the outrageous, incendiary claim in the first place, you're the one arguing that the way things currently are is wrong, so the burden of proof is on you.

>>52497546
Honestly if the Tempiss dudes weren't such turbo shitters getting mogged regularly by small corpos or if someone like Kronii would've retained a larger portion of her audience I would've been ready to admit defeat and throw the towel.
I spent enough time following closely the situation and saw most of my early claims and intuitions come true to be pretty confident in my claims. I could bring some other evidence and keep debating but honestly I don't care enough especially when you just keep asking for hard proof no matter what. And not because the claim is ludicrous but because the subject itself requires a small leap of faith. It's like discussing with a flat earther.

>>52498139
>I spent enough time following closely the situation and saw most of my early claims and intuitions come true to be pretty confident in my claims
this line fucking reeks of confirmation bias
more things that YOU did, things that YOU felt, etc etc
>just keep asking for hard proof
because without hard proof an argument is fucking nothing
>like discussing with a flat earther
except hard proof that earth is round exists and anyone can get it, or even fucking do it themselves, while hard proof of your claims does not
you have fucking nothing

>>52454285
>Collabs are always fun
Only for homobeggars like (you)

>>52498755
You should actually watch those collabs and see for yourself

>>52454285
>They aren't responsible for the loss of audience of HoloEN
Factually and provable that they DID CAUSE HOLOEN TO LOSE VIEWERS
Kys nigger

>>52454285
Because male Vtubers shouldn’t exist just like the wnba shouldn’t exist

>>52499073
Post the proof then

>>52499073
>more dumbfucks coming out of the woodwork talking about facts and proof they don't have
you fuckers never learn
go ahead, post that one line graph that ignores everything else that could potentially influence HoloEN viewership so I can tell you how fucking stupid you are for thinking that means anything

>>52498303
Okay pal. But here some actual hard proof. Your homos are absolute shitters who just keep on losing viewers and HoloEN is doing worse than ever, with the members who collabed with them having all suffered major losses.
So sure go ahead shit out more homo gens and while at it force a complete nijification of the branch. ALL on the assumption that there is not enough proof of it being what killed the branch. But still having enough proof that it did nothing to help it.

I just think they are boring. Vesper is okay sometimes

>>52499412
I accept your concession, thanks for playing today

>>52499433
that is ok to think and I respect your opinion

>>52499412
Holy shit man go outside and talk to real people.

>"Collabs with male vtubers? Never, i don't understand the point of interacting with male vtubers, it's just something that someone like me shouldn't do"
You can keep seething about how they ruined everything and stay stuck in the HoloEN swamp with shartsbeggars and "we are not friends/improve yourself/you guys really don't have friends of the opposite sex?" backstabbing bitches or you can come home, brothers.

>>52489763
>>52490260
>>52490980
Most based and sane person itt

Buy a fucking ad rabbi

>>52454285
because they litteraly have no appeal for anyone who isn't a woman or a gay man

they do nothing, and that's the problem, why the fuck are they here for

I have no interest in their content in the same way shoujo anime doesn't appeal to me. This isn't good enough for their trash heap of a fanbase that takes any 10 seconds without a mention of tempus as an opportunity to start screeching, shitflinging, collab begging and spamming even if there's other hololive streams going on.

>>52502300
man
I don’t know where you’re hanging around because I’ve seen like a hundred times more screeching, shitflinging, and spamming from the anti side of things than the fans themselves ever did

>>52454440
based

>>52455379
agreed

I'm seething this thread has more posts than the one I'm trying to slide

>>52498303
>>52499450
NTA but if your only counter argument is that there is no hard proof and you have not a lick of data to support your counter claim then your arguments literally amounts to zero as well
>but the burden of proof is on you
if a downward pattern shows up but there is no solid proof to what caused it, you cannot say that they are 100% wrong with their claims without providing your own solid counter proof. all you can do is provide an alternative claim and argue about what-ifs ad infinitum. it doesnt make you any more right than him.

>>52454285
The only one i liked was Vesper, but i think his new design is trash. I fucking hate Altatroon though.

>>52454285
Don't forget they were also responsible for the Bronze Age Collapse. I say this with Marduk as my witness.

>>52500153
Who are you even quoting?

>>52500153
Stop shilling your chuuba anon.

>>52454285
I don't like homos

>>52516220
I never made a claim like “Tempus didn’t cause a single person to stop watching Hololive EN” or anything like that
My only point is that harping on and on fucking forever about stupid bullshit like “they killed the viewership, it’s entirely their fault, blah blah blah” is a fucking nonsensical stance to take when the people making it don’t even know for sure that it’s true
And so they should either put down some proof or shut the fuck up and stop fucking whining constantly

>>52454285
>They aren't responsible for the loss of audience of HoloEN
rumao