/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>52314360
50% of her streams is just her sleeping during donothons/subathons or lazy react content.

>>52314360
Why specify 'western'? She's the most successful vtuber worldwide.

>>52314515
No she isn't, just because you enjoy being cucked and scammed doesn't make it a worldwide thing.
>>52314476
This, she's the definition of western vtubers:
>React = most content
>Constantly streaming with her love interest
>Constant donothons.

>>52314360
factually true and I would go so far and say she is the most well known vtuber in the world

>>52314660
The absolute state of western numbers

>>52314360
>vtuber
>streams on twitch

>>52314780
>almost a million subs on youtube
uhhh, sweaty?

>>52314360
https://varishangout.com/index.php?threads/vshojo-ex-vshojo-mythic-rrats.665/page-28 Not a fan of a Vtuber that promotes NTR.

>>52314360
That's not Pomu rainpuf

>>52314828
> not even a million sub on youtube

>female
It's a fat guy with a voice changer lol

>>52314955
You mean Porno Sexpuff?

>>52314515
There are still JPs who are indubitably more successful than her, like Pekora, Marine, and Kuzuha.
But as far as the Western world is concerned, there is no case to be made against her. Her only potential rival would be Gura, but Gura's only claim to that crown is her huge youtube subscriber count now, and how many of those are dead subs?

>make up your own competition
>nobody else competing
>????
>win

>>52315264
>There are still JPs who are indubitably more successful than her, like Pekora, Marine, and Kuzuha.
By what metric?

>>52314883
>gives nyanners a BF that doesn't tell women to back off from flirting with him whom nyanners wouldn't trust being alone with different woman.
>encouraging corpse to cheat on Tina with snuffy having collabs in mouses channel instead snuffys even though mouse knows about tina.

Jesus I hope Iron lungs dies a faster death.

>>52314660
What the fuck
So people.. watch her do whatever this is? Is Twitch that devoid of other things to keep oneself entertained with?

>>52315300
CCV and watch hours mainly, particularly outside of the subathon for the latter. You could also make a case for subscriber / follower count, but that's a blurrier metric considering the difference in platforms, and whether or not you'd count Ironmouse's youtube subs in the tally.

>>52314360
I love Iron-Mouse, she and Baelz should do a rodent collab

>>52315393
Only Pekora has the watch hours to beat Ironmouse. Marine is not even a top 10 streamer so I don't understand why even bring her up. No idea about Kuzuha but I have never seen him amount to anything.

Call me when she gets 4x that amount on YouTube

>>52315393
Marine summons at least 70k viewers almost at will if she's doing one of her little projects (Sister Marine, old woman Marine, her little VA auditions, to name a few...). Not to mention her clout among seiyuu circles, etc.
Hard to say if IM has that same level of pull. Then again, 100+k subs, more power to her, I suppose.

>>52315363
It's funny because it's almost exactly what hololive/"big corpo" fans are accused of; that they will watch literally anything in droves as long as it has the name of their preferred brand attached to it.
Turns out all that talk seems to have been projection.

>>52315363
Most of the entertainment is just mindlessly spamming chat with emotes

>>52314360
how many models does she actually have
is there like a list

>>52314360
do we really care

What will her sub count look like next month? I also wonder how many were chargebacks.

>>52315862
cared enough to post

>>52314691
At least a dozen hololive talents are better known in terms of global recognition. Twitch is good with astroturfing and hyping their big streamers but overall they are small compared to Youtube.

>>52314660
this is how she gets watch hours

>>52314360
>begs for a month straight
I hate panhandlers.

>>52315816
This image is still mostly accurate. Only real change in it is the unreleased section since Race Princess and Trickster have both since debuted. Also there was a second angel model, and a second Gremolin model as well.

>>52314660
Sleeping streams take talent.

>>52314883
Hey thanks for the schizo rabbit hole love a good laugh

How is she justified in doing a donothon/subathon? She should have more than enough money for whatever she wants right? IMO donothons just seem scummy to me unless you're a 2 view trying to get by or you're raising money for some sort of special project.

WHERE'S YOUR CROWN
QUEEN NOTHING

>>52316203
She's raising money for the immune deficiency foundation, which is a charity that helped her before she became famous. Her and Cdawgva have become some of their biggest contributors.

>>52316203
She's donating half of all proceeds to charity. The IDF specifically

>>52316203
She's allegedly not able to leave her house. What else she gonna do all day?

>>52316203
Even 2views doing them is scummy. Aka Mel Nekomata/Ichigo Nogashi doing a donothon this Friday to get $3500 for surgery since she apparently fucked up her voice by faking it all these years. I don’t doubt her throat hurts going by how she was breathing and sounding trying to read a lot of text but you don’t need surgery to fix a sore throat, you just need to not talk for a few days. Kill yourself Mel.

>>52316203
donothon goes to some illness charity
subathon goes to her new costumes and models
though most of the time connor has to swoop in the last minute in order for her to get her goals

>>52314515
Vshitshow cucks truly believe that?

>>52314515
She doesn't even beat the fake elf

>>52314476
The fact that she’s already most subbed and still baits subs is scummy to me. But maybe I just don’t understand Twitch culture.

>>52316068
jesus christ nigga
it's like fate lore

>>52316246
Right there

>>52316538
she's going to lose 98% of those subs next month

>>52314360
How many charge backs?

>>52314360
>western
>vtuber
Lmao

>>52315393
Ccv and watch hours are literally meaningless. Memberships/subs and donos are far more relevant and mouse beats miko

>>52314360
>Sleeps on stream
>Rebroadcasts her own previous streams with content she stole
>Gets at the top of the platform
It's actually that easy.

>>52316661
>Ccv and watch hours are literally meaningless
Retard

>>52316369
>subathon goes to her new costumes and models
Are people actually excited for these and think they're some kind of unique type of content?

>>52316661
Watch hours are meaningless, CCV are not.

>>52316661
>Every metric where my dearest whore doesn't win is irrelevant
Iron cucks, everybody.

>>52316717
Watch hours are useless when it includes stuff like sleeping streams.

>>52316767
this. the watch hour cope makes it seem like koyori is more popular than marine or suisei, which is just not true.

>>52316718
most of the people donating it to her think of it as charity since she is sick and all

>>52316803
Tell that to the cucks on Twitter who will praise Iron lung for being just a bit above Pekora for Q2, despite the latter never having done any scummy stream like sleeping on stream at all.

>>52315264
How many of her followers watch her streams on twitch by that logic?

>>52316767
kek, watch how vshojo fags will spam that watch hours is the only thing that matters after mouse wins the quarter in said metric.

>open thread about a successful vtuber who isn't in hololive
>seething in broken english
>noooombers
>muh chargebacks
>hurrr she'll make less money after the special event ends
>well she made a lot of money but does she have 50000 third worlders with adblock watching every stream? because that is actually more important than paying customers
>CONOOOOR
>there are emotes in chat and that makes me mad
>noooo you can't sleep you have to turn off the stream because youtube only has 12 hour archives!
did i miss anything?

>>52316564
Vshojo friends award means nothing.

>>52316980
>noooo you can't sleep you have to turn off the stream because youtube only has 12 hour archives!
Literally nobody has ever said this.

>>52314780
Anon, what the fuck kind of rock have you been living under?

>>52317167
>noooo you can't sleep you have to turn off the stream so pekora is higher on a useless metric that i masturbate over!
is that better?

>>52316980
All true btw

>>52317211
The fucking irony. You are sperging out right now because your whore needs those sleeping streams to be higher on the useless metric you masturbate over.

>>52317211
>useless metric
Please stop talking, pekora is literally bigger in every single metric that matters.. Please kys

>>52317287
>>52317329
Look like I struck a nerve there. Calm down friends, it's just banter.

>>52316980
All of these seething posts? All mine.

>>52317411
Your whore will never be worthwhile.

>>52317411
>Makes retarded post
>Gets called retard
>It's just banter bro
Please follow these instructions

>>52314660
So, is this how she got all those watch hours? Just sleeping on the stream and mirroring Connor's stream?

>>52317550
Not all of them, but at least a third.

>>52317592
Another third with her stealing content off other people and corporations of course.

i'm looking forward to your Twitch+YouTube tally next month, anon!

>>52317465
>>52317542
>hurr you're mad bro you're sperging no u
>*i literally can't write a post that isn't full of insults, swearing, and demanding that the other party harm himself*
Try stepping away from your computer for a bit lads, you're fuming.

theres nothing notable about her besides her health condition, she was just at the right place and the right time. the only people that watch her are normie twitchfags and retarded simps who will donate thousands to her every time she ebegs

>>52314515
kek westoids and their small little bubble

>>52317773
You literally started with a post made up of nothing but insults, cuckboy.
It's just banter, lad.

Ironmouse top tier content
>Watching other people content
>Sleeping
>Play diablo or fortnite
>Have other people come to your stream and give you content
Twitch viewers idea of good content everyone.

>>52316932
Ironmouse is a better vtuber and literally can beat pekora's numbers in her sleep.

>>52317840
I have not typed a single insult in this thread. Are you ok, friend?

>>52314660
Does this really count as ironmouse streaming?

>sleeps on stream

The fact that she hits 9k consistently in the oddest of hours,
also when raided from other streamers with 10k, but viewership only jumps by 2k.

Twitch has some view botting going on.

As for subs, the oilers gifting are making up 80% of the numbers. It would be interesting to see what these stats are in August when everyone's gift subs run out.

And you can just hear it. Its not "thank you for the 50 month subscription" its "thank you for the 50 gifted subs"

>>52318055
90% of raiders immediately leaving is normal, even on youtube

>>52318020
Your entire greentext of misrepresentations is an insult. Stop acting dumb.

>>52318242
Please quote the insult in that post.

>>52316068
I still remember there was one illustrator who was sad because she only used her model once

>>52318288
>open thread about a successful vtuber who isn't in hololive
>seething in broken english
>noooombers
>muh chargebacks
>hurrr she'll make less money after the special event ends
>well she made a lot of money but does she have 50000 third worlders with adblock watching every stream? because that is actually more important than paying customers
>CONOOOOR
>there are emotes in chat and that makes me mad
>noooo you can't sleep you have to turn off the stream because youtube only has 12 hour archives!

>>52317773
Touched a nerve, didn't I? It's just banter, anontachi.

>>52318033
She's streaming all 24 hours of the day, including when she sleeps, what would you even want her to do while she's asleep?

>>52318055
Not everyone jumps on a raid, her numbers get bad when someone like Connor is streaming (this fact is unusual) most likely due to viewer burnout. Also, twitch only lets you sub up to 6 months, which you hear her thank them for.

>>52318325
Not a single word there is an insult.

>>52317979
>Beat Pekora
Straight up false, Pekora is still in the lead regarding watch hours so far. Also Pekora never went below 15k CCV either, whereas IronLung usually is between 6 and 8k viewers if she doesn't get raided by her husband.

>>52318392
>what would you even want her to do while she's asleep?
...Stop streaming and come back later? Why have someone else stream on your channel while you sleep?

>>52318414
The entire thing is an insult. The goal there is to attribute false statements to the people you hate.

>>52318482
Those are all real statements that I have observed in this thread.

>>52318464
Why not?

>>52318414
>Includes hurrrr
>Not an insult
>Hurr defintion: Used to mimic the noise of a stereotypical idiot
How is that not an insult?

>>52318508
But they're not. This all started with me pointing out how the last one isn't anything anyone has ever said. I'm not going to pick apart each and every single one just to calm your autism.

>>52318392
She is not streaming when she's sleeping. She is just leaving the stream on.
That's like saying you're cooking if you leave the oven on with nothing inside of it while you sleep.

>>52318723
Anon-chama, you might want to check the definition of streaming, you dummy

>>52318631
>But they're not.
Check again.

>broken english
>>52315018
>noooombers
Too many to count.
>chargebacks
>>52315879
>she'll make less money after the special event ends
>>52316572
>pointless metrics being more important than paying customers
>>52316717 >>52316767
>CONOOOOR
>>52316369
>emotes
>>52315786
>complaining about sleeping
Literally the first reply, too many others to count.

I accept your apology in advance.

>>52314360
It's funny, all she had to do to win is stream for an ungodly amount of hours. Gura would be an absolute monster if she had half of ironmouse's work ethic. Sometimes the greatest super power is hitting the go live button.

>>52316717
>>52316767
>>52316797
Let me put it in a way you numberfags can understand.
Gura is the highest CCV vtuber in the English sphere. Yet, Kiara and even 3view nijis make more superchats than her
>b-but merch!
Mousey gets merch too and has less of a cut than hololive does, Fauna and Axel both have said that they get more from superchats than they do.
The only reason numberfags stopped using superchats/bits/donos as a measurement of success is because they started losing to non holos

>>52318973
You distorted each and every single one of them. Also this one is absolutely hilarious
>pointless metrics being more important than paying customers
You yourself are only counting a particular pointless metric as the measure of "paying customers". NOOOOOOOOOOOOMBERS so dumb. Am I right?

>>52318302
Probably thinking of Rosuuri, and it was more that Mouse didn't use it that often. And Mouse didn't use it that often because she likes to debut new things so each model is her new "main model" for like 2 months at a time. Even then she's basically Mouse's main artist and did the Demon Queen, Demon Princess, Christmas 2022, Wonderland Reject, and at least one more upcoming model based on her official VShojo art that hasn't debuted yet.

>>52319120
>because they started losing to non holos
It's actually because some anons found loopholes in the merch's website and found that they gain so much more than SC. But that's something you would omit obviously, cuck.

>>52314476
>lazy react content.
Anon there was so much gaming for most of her current subathon that there were anons bitching about the lack of react in vsj+.

>>52319120
The funniest thing ever in the vtubing community was Holofan numberfags pivoting from bragging about superchats to merch overnight. They spent like 2 years making fun of Nijifans pointing out that they sold merch when Hololive dominated the SC charts, but as soon as Luxiem debuted and mogged them, merch became the #1 metric. Most numberfags are too new to understand the irony though.

>>52319396
Diablo and Fortnite don't count, mostly because I'm sick of them.

>>52319120
You keep talking about how much of an anti-numberfag you are but you just keep numberfagging with numbers that you like while never ever saying what the fuck you're even measuring.
>Gura CCV is big but superchat small and other vtuber CCV small superchat big so CCV bad
Literally what the fuck are you even trying to say?

>>52319308
Anon this is a thread about Iromouse's charity drive, people donating money is literally the only metric that matters. You're so mad that you're starting to get a bit silly. It's time to close the tab.

>>52319396
are vshitshowtards all actual toddlers?

>>52319537
>this is a thread about Iromouse's charity drive
No it's not. This is a thread about Ironmouse being the most successful vtuber in the entire world.
You're just trying to damage control the massive misrepresentation going on in the OP by shifting the topic, but anyone can just scroll back to the top to see what the thread is actually about.

>>52318620
And this post goes unaddressed

>>52319366
They don't earn more from merch. Percentage wise they get less than they do from superchats as confirmed by two different en members. And iirc bits are actually better than superchats.
>>52319533
Bits/superchats and subs/members are more relevant than CCV and watch hours. Like I said earlier and like >>52319412 said. The only reason numberfags stopped using superchats as a measurement of success was because they started losing. Mousey will probably start getting better views than hololive soon and I can't wait to see the cope that you fucks try then.

>>52316068
>Race Princess
needs cock correction NOW

>>52314360
>Twitch
>Subathon
Those subs will be gone next month.

>>52319928
So you're actually claiming that numberfags in the past said that Rushia is more successful than Pekora? Are you sure you want to continue with this argument? It's not going to end well for you.

I pray Ironlung and her daughter die horrible deaths for all to see. I hate Ironlung for existing in this world, she’s a fucking plague and is a piece of shit for lying about her illness and playing it up for money. I hope she reads this and gets scared at the fact that a person like me would love to find her address, break in and rob her before murdering her while she’s live on stream. Fuck you Ironlung.

>>52319396
>bitching about the lack of react in vsj+
LMAO the absolute state!

>>52319928
>as confirmed by two different en members
Give proof and timestamp, retard. Because Lamy said otherwise.

This thread is more evidence as to why we need to rangeban SEA.

>>52314883
fucking hell this is like reading a soap opera plot summary.
i loved that assad emails thing though. so wholesome and hilarious though. i completely forgot about that.

>>52320198
And America. And Australia.

>>52320155
You don't know what Lamy said because you don't know Japanese.

>>52319120
>Yet, Kiara and even 3view nijis make more superchats than her
show us the data

>>52320274
Still waiting for the proof, cuck. Go on, speed up a bit, I don't have your time tonight.

>>52314360
twitch whores arent vtubers

>>52314515
It's a way for Americans(USA) to claim that it's one of them despite being from and living in puertorico.

>>52318973
>>pointless metrics being more important than paying customers
Are you retarded? Farming mentally ill simps with FOMO bulshit is not special or hard. Here a example https://twitchtracker.com/shift this random 3view streamer did a subathon and farmed 30k+ subs.
You have to be retarded to believe that farming simps is more impressive than mantaining a larger audience entertained on your own.

>>52321179
b-b-but doing that still makes mer more successful than other vtubers!

>>52314360
>twitch

>80% gifted
a single millionaire can break that record for his indie

>>52314360
twitch zoomers and coomers really are the lowest common denominator

>>52321353
i wonder who holds the record for biggest single donation.

>your oshis are so boring that most people would rather watch Ironmouse sleep
explain yourselves contrariankeks

>>52316246
Gosegu.

>>52322301
Easy to pull off when twitch allows multi tabbing. Iron lung doing this on YouTube wouldn't pull off a third of her overall CCV.

>>52319928
>The only reason numberfags stopped using superchats as a measurement of success was because they started losing
nice historical revisionisms you got there nijifag
still trying to spam holo vs everyone i see just so people wont notice that one of your livers actually got caught botting a stream

>>52320155
Alright give me two seconds here it's not that hard to find but I'm not the best at searching through the archives

>>52323090
Nijisanji does make more money on merch than holoshit because it doesn’t need to split the profits with the livers.

>>52321179
It is.

>>52321179
What even makes it more impressive for the 3view is that Ironmouse actually had help from connors orbiters since all of them shilled mouse subathon

>>52320155
https://streamable.com/0nwjfv
Here's fauna saying that merch only sometimes goes further than superchats specifically if it's birthday merch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDgXWNDoIj4&t=1153s
Here's axel saying voice packs are best then superchats and memberships then Merch.

No matter how ya cut it, merch seems to be a lower cut than anything else

>>52323090
I'm not a Nijifag but I am an anti numberfag and while you can pull up a single post from 2020 I can pull up countless incidents of/#/s using superchats as a measurement of success up until they started losing

>>52323533
pull it up anon cause the only time superchats became a laughable measure of success on both sides was when the merch stuff was leaked

>>52323533
Please do. Also you should be able to pull up examples of Rushia being considered more successful than Pekora.

>>52323618
I'm not claiming they ever made that claim but I've seen the charts that used to get spammed of superchat records that all mysteriously stopped getting counted. Same reason twitch ccvs don't get counted by /#/s. When you have to constantly shift the goal post in order to win your imaginary medals it's pretty sad

>>52323482
nta but she says it depends anon and birthday merch is a safe bet which is not surprising since their bday merch are the ones they have input on meaning they have a bigger cut on those not to mention bday merch sells out under a minute
she even says that you can tell based on how much a member self promotes it which is why they shill a lot on certain things
>Holostars
not really that surprised when it comes to them since they have a very low fanbase count and most of their paypigs are shared with the rest of the stars branch including jp

>>52323834
>I'm not claiming they ever made that claim but
You have to be claiming that if superchats were used as the measure of success back then. It seems like you're just full of shit.

>>52323843
She starts off by saying ONLY SOMETIMES when you start off by saying "Only" it implies that it's infrequent that merch is worth more than superchats.

>>52318982
>doesn't even stream
>still manages to mog the mouse

>>52323901
I'm not claiming that anyone ever said rushia was more popular. I am claiming that numberfags used to parade superchats around all the time up until other people started getting more than hololive did

>>52323962
Its infrequent because they dont have new merch everyday while they can get superchats every day
The fact that she says that merch goes further than superchats on birthdays which is where they get the biggest superchats tells you a lot about superchats

>>52314660
does Connor give her dick ?

>>52324147
yeah, mine

>>52324061
So who was considered to be the top vtuber of that time? You said you could pull up countless of examples, so fucking do it.
The fact is that you're projecting. Nobody considered Coco and Rushia hololive's top 2 talents until they had joined vshojo and all the sudden they went from just being top superchatted to being "top earners" and finally "top talents".

>>52324061
>I am claiming that numberfags used to parade superchats around all the time up until other people started getting more than hololive did
see pic related>>52323090
superchats only got paraded because niji numberfags used merch as their measure of success since nijisanji has a lot of them
it only stopped due to 2 things
one was when cover was being retarded with their website and the merch numbers got leaked
another was when people noticed that livers started talking about how the best way to support them was through superchats and not merch
its one of the reasons why when you were in numbers youd see posts about how niji "cheated" their livers when it comes to merch revenue way before that 2% thing from dramatubers

>>52324122
Anon I'm telling you, the merch cut is low. You can cope however you want but not only is birthday merch often priced higher than regular merch they seem to earn a bigger cut on merch. It's not because of infrequent merch drops because they get plenty of merch drops, they literally have the connect the world shit up right now. It's just better to support them through voice packs and superchats. More often than not merch doesn't give them the most amount of money, in fact it seems to give them the least amount

>>52314360
not even close
>inb4 streams doko?

Hololive members are living in poverty and make no money especially from merch. Mouse mogs them hard.

yea it's sad the majority of twitch viewers flock like sheep to whoever is popular and even then when they already millionaires keep gifting. iron mouse scheme this time is she says she giving half her gift sub money to Immune deficiency foundation... she litereally just made half a million so she keeps a quarter million from this subathon but she already rich so wtf .. most ppl who watch twitch are idiots. there are some cool ppl on there tho ngl but they don't watch boring fucking iron mouse

i hope she shows proof of her donating the money

>>52318850
Great fucking "streaming" you got there, AnOnChAma.

>>52324423
>Anon I'm telling you, the merch cut is low.
Anon merch cut when it comes to personal merch is high its why fauna said that they earn more of it during their bdays than sc
The only merch you dont need to buy is the acrylic and pin shits since those are company merch

>>52324272
I never mentioned who they considered a top talent I haven't searched the archives yet I'll let you know when I do
>>52324405
And no, kek, you can tell yourself that but it sure was a weird coincidence that the second that hololive stopped being leaders in superchats people stopped parading the numbers around
>>52320451
As far as your data goes, in the past week scarle, a niji 3view made 4,4686 in Superchats alone. Guras birthday stream only managed to make a little over double that. In three years of streaming gura has made $1,167,872 out of superchats, in under a year scarle has made over 1/4 of that despite not having even close to the same ccv.
Kiara who has always been dwarfed by gura has made 1,464,728 which is nearly 300k more than gura despite having less than 1/4 of the viewership. Mori who sits at a bit more than Kiara but still significantly less than gura has made $1,672,191 over 500k more than gura.

Now of course we know that both nijisanji and Hololive take about half of what's left after YouTube cuts leaving them with about 35% of that earnings. Mousey has on average made 2.50 off every sub, None of which goes to vsj btw, from this subathon alone she's made $430,232.50 give or take on February she had 100k subs too so she earned 250k back then give or take some.

Off of subs alone mousey makes so much money that numberfags don't dare include her because hololive would start losing every single month

>>52325392
Why is it so difficult for you to pull up one of these countless examples?

>>52323482
Fauna and Astel are both shitters. Lamy said otherwise regarding her merch.

>>52325462
Haven't looked in the archives yet that's literally all. I will try to do so soon

>>52325530
How do you know what Lamy said when no one here understands Japanese?

>>52325530
You don't speak Japanese and Fauna is the top talent of en atm

>>52314660
kek awesome western vtubing

>>52325703
Better than JP

>>52314660
What the actual fuck is this

>>52323901
He's not full of shit. To pretend superchats didnt used to be used as the primary metric by /#/fags is gaslighting. You did. I remember it. You cant convince me youre notoving the goalposts becayse I know for a fact you are. /#/ will twist absolutely everything to ake Hololive always look like it's on top, no matter what. Youre not statfags, you're Holofags who are insecure about their fandom and need to believe everyone else also loves Hololive to carry on doing so. Because you never liked Hololive for the girls themsepves - otherwise, you wouldnt actually care how popular they were.

>>52324061
>I am claiming that numberfags used to parade superchats around all the time up until other people started getting more than hololive did
This is how i know that you are just either a threadreader or a shitposter since if you actually went and stayed in # you would actually know that when it comes to superchats or donations they actually only kneel to kawaii since they vastly outearn hololive or nijisanji vtubers in that aspect

>>52325907
kinda seems like you are just full of shit anon

>>52325907
You're mentally ill and projecting hard because you're too invested in your delusion of mouse being the biggest most successful vtuber in the world. I watch vtubers, you do not.
Now tell me, who was the numberfag's favorite holo from those times based on solely their superchat number? Was Rushia considered to be better than Pekora?

>>52323834
>that all mysteriously stopped getting counted
Again, it's because merch grants the highest amount of money by far for Holomembers, as stated by Lamy for instance.
Your retardation didn't work last year, and still won't work nowadays anyway. Even after nearly 4 years, no one can catch up to Pekora or Marine( except two pastors who use their shitty god as their whore to get money out of the believers).
The only Vtubers in the top 30 outside of Holomembers are Kuzuha at the 9th place, Fuwa at the 19th place and Vox at the 27th place.

>>52326197
>as stated by Lamy
What did Lamy say and how do you know when nobody here knows Japanese?

>>52319322
>>52318302
>>52316068
This is what "10k clothes a month" is

>>52325586
>Top talent of EN
Still a shitter compared to many of the JP holomembers.

>>52326344
More people know about EN than JP. JPs are the shitters all things considered.

>>52326457
Mighty kek. The world doesn't revolve around you, ameritards.

>>52326197
You keep citing lamy but literally nobody here speaks Japanese. En members have stated otherwise and in perfect English. /#/s only stopped counting around the time luxiem came out and kept bearing Hololive.

>>52323416
Not only that she went full camgirl fomo. "Hey if you really likes me please keep donating! I'm going to give the top donator this item that sleep with me !" Peak parasocialism and exploration of mentally ill people.

>>52325897
She went to sleep?

Money =/= popularity. The only reason this is even a debate is so /#/ can dismiss anyone who gets higher ccv or watch hours than their favorite Holo chuuba on the grounds that money is all the matters.

They will of course move the goalposts if anyone starts to out earn them. It's about spreading Hololive propaganda, it has nothing to do with actually measuring popularity.

>>52327184
Popularity =/= success. Holoshits are neither popular or successful.

>>52327388
But enough about Vshitshow pigs.

>>52327437
Ironmouse is the most successful vtuber.

>>52327160
Who watches people while they sleep

>>52327494
According to your delusional headcanons.

would she be as popular if she wasnt sick or if she never mentioned it and didnt ever bring it up?

>>52327494
That's objectively untrue. The actual answer is she who must not be named, the name that makes the /vt/fag recoil in disgust: Cookie.

>>52327504
My man, they aren't glued to the screen, a lot probably just tab off, or go to sleep.

>>52327524
Did you not read the OP image?

>>52327570
For what purpose

>>52327570
It's fitting that the viewers are not watching if the streamer isn't actually streaming, but this also means the "hours watched" are horrible inflated.

>>52327558
No she would not.

Call me when she goes a month without a subathon (even the greediest twitch fleshtubers only do one every few months)

>>52327595
In this case, like many subathon it's to create FOMO, and it works, but it's not a main driving force, a lot of other people just pause it. It's not really an ironmouse thing, it's a thing existing in those events, like Ludwig or Kai Cenat ones.
>>52327758
I mean, only mentally deranged people really care about hours watched in my opinion, the article is making mention of the fact that Ironmouse is the most subscribed female streamer, which is factual

>>52327879
>only mentally deranged people really care about hours watched in my opinion
I just think it's a worthless made up stat but all these internet "news" sites keep citing that stat as the measure for "top streamers".

>>52327857
*calls you*

>>52327851
being a vtuber is mouse biggest advantage over every other illness streamer and grifter on twitch since she wont have a zillianop moment

>>52328049
>news articles making shit up to get clicks
Imagine my shock.
It's sadly one of the worthless and meaningless shit in all of the streaming platform, unless you are a streamer, then it matters for sponsors and brand deals, that's a good ticket to get stuff. And probably also a lot of cases where streamers don't interact with you without a certain level of clout.
I have always thought that numberfagging CCV it's one of the saddest shit you can do in this board, unless it's a huge event or something really important.

>>52323482
This was in response to a question about group merch which isn't designed by the talents. Why are you twisting this into a statement about merch in general?

>>52328265
In what world is someone with 500 viewers equal to someone with 5000?

>>52327184
Money is the most direct comparison to popularity. Vast amounts of people buy or spend money on this person, object, or service. Movie makes a billion dollars it’s popular. Album reaches platinum it’s popular. Money is the closest to a direct correlation of popularity

>>52328337
Why do I care that people are watching a stream, I care what I'm watching, they aren't going to watch the stream for me? I had more fun with a 2view than watching someone in the top like xQc or Hasan, if view counts matter that much

>>52328292
She does not specify that only group merch goes less far and the same statement is backed by axel. Merch isn't the best way to support them sorry to burst your bubble but merch seems to be the worst way to support them as confirmed by two different people

>>52326197
>merch grants the highest amount of money by far for Holomembers
OH NO NO NO NO
https://youtu.be/ZDgXWNDoIj4?t=1151

>>52328530
Why can't you answer the question? This is a thread about someone being "the most successful vtuber". You can't suddenly just start saying that you don't care because you enjoy low viewer streams more anyways.

>>52327088
>. En members have stated otherwise and in perfect English
?????

>>52328378
You can make a shit ton of money by scamming a few wealthy retards with crypto scams, that doesnt make you popular. Popularity isna mumbers game, its about how many people take interest in you. It's actually hard to determine what a proper numeric measure of it should be, but profit is not a valid comparisson. CCV, watch hours, subscribers, take your pick. Something to do with eyes looking at you.

>>52328663
>its about how many people take interest in you
>CCV, watch hours, subscribers, take your pick
Watch hours is immediately out because it has nothing to do with "how many people". It's just a cope multiplier for those that like someone with not as many people but who sit there for just a few more hours, and maybe even sleep 8 hours without actually doing anything while the stream stays on.

>streamers has more viewers which means theyre a good streamer and are extremely entertaining
do people think like this?

>>52328586
Isn't that exactly what her statement implies? You said it yourself - merch "only sometimes" goes further, which means that yes, it sometimes does. Look at how much merch she gets overall, it's not really that much. Her birthday merch is the obvious candidate for something she gets a bigger cut from. Are you ESL and confusing "sometimes" with "rarely"?
Also, if SCs were the main form of income for the girls, why do some of them never bother reading SCs? Where are they getting money from then?

>>52328628
I'm answering your question dumbass, I don't care about viewcounts in my opinion, I care about what I'm watching. I'm going to sit through a stream that I don't care for how much viewercount I see, I'll watch it for the content, if other people enjoying it, that's their thing.

Also, read the fucking article first, it's about subscribers and in no moment it mentions the stupid shit that the OP wrote, it's such a lame ass bait and you people can stop fighting over it lmao
metro.co.uk/2023/06/28/vtuber-ironmouse-becomes-most-subscribed-female-streamer-on-twitch-19029102/

>>52328834
Why are you moving the goalpost from being successful to being intertaining? Also, Marine is far more entertaining than any ENtuber. I look forward to you attacking her.

>>52328938
who do you think youre replying to?

>>52328991
To someone that likes a streamer with less viewers.

>>52314615
the first applies to all popular streamers except the few big esports competition channels

>>52315264
a sub on twitch refers to a paying account. like memberships for you youtubers

>>52328837
I think you might be esl. "Only sometimes" implies that more often than not it goes less far

I'm pretty sure holos barely get 10% from their birthday merch. They are not making much in that black company.

>>52329471
Not really? "Only sometimes" just means it's not "always". Like, you could say, "I don't always go home right after work, only sometimes."
Anyway I skimmed the rest of this thread and both you and the people you're arguing with are blinded by agendas so I'll stop here.

>>52329762
what?

>>52314360
>western vtuber
That's like being proud that you won the special olympics
Congrats I guess

>>52314360
The disability buff.
She's not bad or anything but she's not good either.
It's pity subs.

>>52330112
Did you miss the entire argument about what makes holos the most money and how nerch doesn't actually give them much according to the talents?

>>52328378
Doesn't apply to livestreaming. The movie or movie ticket has a price but people donating to their oshi can choose the amount they give. The numbers then tend to be greatly inflated by few individuals that are careless with their money

How can one little rat create such immense seething, I mean I understand there are bait posts but still

>>52330317
>>52329762
It seems unlikely considering what Fauna said, where she was hinting that they don't get as large a % from merch as they do from Superchats, but specifically cited birthday merch as generally being one of the exceptions.
They get more than 10% from supers, so therefore they get more than 10% from birthday merch too.
https://streamable.com/0nwjfv

>>52330269
Its incredibly powerful. Even my 2 view oshi made over 20k this year thanks to it

In the west, easy. Because she had her chance and she actually seized it. Mad respect for that.
She streamed a lot, did marathons, had collabs, kept a good relationship with her audience.
Gura would easily be above her if she had actually a fraction of her ambition and passion. Even Kronii could have had the chance if she wasn't a self loathing miserable piece of shit.
I'd say even Calli might have had the chance if she wasn't busy with other shit all the time.
In theory any vtuber has the "chance" but I can't see anyone else in HoloEN going that big without some huge overhauls to their content, and NijiEN lmao, small corpos are still light years away from her and no indie can touch her either.

>>52314360
Is that conur's second channel?

HoloEN getting beaten by someone who in normal circumstances would be dead.

>Muh sub counts, muh sub counts.

Subs counts dont mean shit when. You dont fucking stream

>i think
>if i am correct
>i am not too sure

Did people actually watch that axel stream? How can you take his statement seriously when he legit seems confused about how the whole thing works. There is a reason why he is called the retard of tempus and he is the type to splurge all of his earnings once paycheck is out. He also thinks niji en management is the best in his member streams.

Holocucks seethe at anyone outside of hololive who’s successful

>>52314360
>Ironmouse is the most successful western vtuber and it's not even close.
>subathons
WHY? Literal subbegging when she's already at the top. How many fucking subs do you need?

>>52319120
they would be burned alive & rape your corpse in numbers thread for an ACTUAL retard holy shit

>>52328611
Just because Axel is an idiot doesn't mean they don't make a lot of money on merch. Until someone can give some hard numbers I'm gonna assume that they get the biggest cut from their custom merch and less from the mass produced merch. Which also jives with what members have talked about in the past (as well as when notcoco said "and I used to complain about a 50/50 split" back during the 2% arc.

a sick and dying girl has done more for western vtubing than the 4m subs shark

>>52314360
It's still pretty crazy remembering how fast she blew up. I first saw Mouse when Mel hosted her during her early days and she was a low 100s streamer.

same thing happened last subathonn and it all fell flat after 1 month cause more than 80% of the people didnt resub.
try coming back here and posting the same thing when she is not begging for subs during a scamathon and actually doing some decent content, instead of just react andy and sucking on connor's dick while being bad at every game

>>52314360
I thought this b*tch is dying? People still fall for that BS?

She is more popular than any Holo will ever be. She actually get publicity from mainstream media. But people here will throw any kind of hypocritical argument they got saved up to cope with reality

>>52341634
anon, your streamer is literally begging for subs live on stream

>>52314360
Western? Isn't she Mexican or some other third worlder?

>>52314360
I don't like her voice, same reason I don't watch Kiara.

>>52316068
I like simply Mythos Mouse

>>52321173
Americans do consider people from PR Americans because we literally control the island and everyone there is born a US citizen. It's people who live there that don't consider themselves Americans because they're delusional.

>>52314515
Nice bait.

>>52329101
Doesn't count for Pekora at least.

>>52322181
For anything ever? Michael Jordan once donated 10 million in one lump sum to Make-A-Wish on his 60th birthday.
To a vtuber? Someone dropped a $200k donation a vtuber on twitch, hasn't been topped

>>52324588
>she giving half her gift sub money to Immune deficiency foundation
With her body, that's probably a good investment

>>52314360
>on Twitch
I don't care about Twitch.

>>52342959
Real question: have those science foundations broken through any new tech in curing the sickness they were made for? I swear there's cancer foundations 100 years old or so and there's no breakthrough for anything from them. What I've heard is that weed keeps cancer away though.

>Twitch
It's 2023...not 2019.

>>52343358
>What I've heard is that weed keeps cancer away though.
Yeah that's bullshit, it just eases the suffering. The problem with treating cancer is cancer isn't a disease, your body creates thousands of cancer cells by accident every day and normally, your NK (natural killer) cells destroy them before they can cause any harm. You "get" cancer when they missed some long enough for them to form into a tumor. That means it's something very specific to your body and thus hard to create any broadly effective treatment and thus one of our main ways of treating it is basically the equivalent of nuking everything from orbit in an "it's the only way to be sure" sense

>>52314883
When's ant doing a video on ironlung?

Twitch culture and everyone in it are fucking disgusting and should be cleansed from this earth with hellfire.

>>52343358
Someone posted data before, the IDF doesn't really do a lot of research, because from a medical standpoint, trying to make research of something in the genes will take a lot of time and resources to really find a cure, and so, they probably invest it in keeping patients alive, and there's also the fact that CVID or Autoimmune Deficiencies comes in a lot of ways to really point out a solution that will benefit all of them. Like for example, Ironmouse's case it's not a factor of her CVID, is more so that she's not young to say the least, she had a lot of complications that weren't funded enough to keep up with the medicine or surgeries, so she's pretty much fuck by that, even like if you know, you know kinda of deal, doctors couldn't figure it out that it was CVID until much later.

So that's where most foundations come, besides research, they do awareness and try to help out people that can't pay the money for the stuff they need, because fuck you american.

I think the main point of all of this, it's that call her Ironlung, call her a phony or a fake, but there's an impact on doing this, and that's it's making people aware of CVID, which brings back to her story, if there was an ironlung when she was more healthy, she would possibly not be a vtuber and spend her time living different thanks to the help she had.

>>52314360
Literally who?

>>52343358
I never thought Sseth of all people would be a reliable source on the subject but he has a masters in immunotherapy and did a whole stream talking about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsRVQWfqjms

>>52344767
Who is this? I keep seeing the name

>>52314660
twitchfags are mental

>>52345802
He makes meme review videos on yt, he's from /v/ originally.

>>52315300
By literally every metric

>>52315509
Ironmouse literally streams 100X times more then people like marine and she barely has a 6k average outside her begothon, you unironically comparing her to marine who has a 30k average and gains millions of views from her songs alone?

>>52316068
Big fan of Angel V2 and trickster from this month.

>>52316661
Dude miko sells millions of dollers worth of merch in minutes it's not even close stop embarrassing yourself.

>>52347060
Sounds like she is better than marine

>>52314515
Sorry but no. The HoloJP royalty blow her out of the water.
They also have 10x more off stream presence.

>>52314660
>monke
based

>>52314955
I don't get it.

>>52318416
>9k viewers every other moth
>12k during this month
Here is a picture of Mouse interacting with a man because I know the male gender scares you since you're an mtf tranny dyke lesbian like all holofags afraid of male interaction.

no thats Gura, if you mean in viewership and subscribers and fame overall, but maybe shes second, dunno, certainly the best of Twitch, dunno
also she has only 1,5 million or something, how is that the top female streamer?

>>52323834
>Twitch numbers don't count
You twitchniggers are so starved for recognition it's unreal, if you want to compare twitch numbers compare it with twitch numbers you faggot always try to compare twitch numbers with YouTube numbers to justify that your sub 5k streamer is somehow bigger then a company that has 140mil usd in annual revenue, both platforms compare there CCV very differently so a direct comparison in just disingenuous.

>>52324423
>Merch cut is low
Holos fund there own merch so it is quite literally impossible for holo to take a higher cut.

>>52337014
I'm pretty sure she was referring to her vshojo contract anon. She got it upgraded shortly after nyanners and the rest left. Vshojo rolls over for kson like a dog in the sun.
I can promise you that even if hololive gives a better cut for custom merch it's not 50/50

>>52326250
Are you actually retarded?

>>52326197
>Pastor is the 4th most successful vtuber
amen

>>52324588
https://twitter.com/IDFCommunity/status/1673379412627144740
https://www.plasmahero.org/hero/ironmouse

>>52324423
Multiple Holos have said merch is the way to go you stupid retard. Not company acrylic shit but Birthday and Anniversary merch. Then Members

>>52348014
Oh yeah so two pieces of merch per year are good, the rest are shit
What a great argument

>>52328049
>people are watching a stream
>watching
>the main thing you're supposed to do with a stream and a streamer
yeah what a weird and useless metric watching is. Why would anyone want to know how many hours people watch a STREAM

>>52326150
It was Pekora. Its still Pekora. I have no idea what hes on about. I will say SCs were talked about but once the Holo shop fucked up and let them see how many units and how much money they made on merch they lost interest.

>>52347262
No she is a shitter when compared to marine, ironmouses buffest stream has 10k average koyoris 24hr stream had a 50k average there is unironically no competition here marines 3dlive reached 170k peak CCV i don't really care about ironmouse, but you are just being retarded by comparing her to someone on a completely different level.

>>52347653
>twitchniggers
Is this a new holofags coping?
The numbers on Twitch are the true measure of popularity, while the numbers on Youtube are manipulated by bots.
If "real" Twitch streamers streamed on Youtube, Holofags would know how good they are.

>>52344311
People don't use iron lungs anymore anyway, that's just a joke playing on her name. It was something designed for people whose respiratory muscles were utterly destroyed by polio and since the 1988 polio vaccination has all wiped that disease from the face of the earth, people don't get situations so bad that they would need something like an iron lung and they can just be treated with medication now.

>>52348111
Why do the hours matter at all?

>>52327558
Kek. No. Her whole schtick is being sick and miss unity

>>52348191
all but* wiped

>>52348181
She is still more successful than Marine

'ate numberfags
'ate tribalism
luv mousey
luv hololive
luv charity
simple as

>>52332069
This rat is simply too powerful.

>>52328586
> axel
You think a holostar earns anywhere near as much as a Holo in merch? Are you hearing yourself? Jesus fucking christ

>>52341634
Don't give them the harsh truth. They can't handle hololive being irrellavant

>>52348181
Why are you trying to argue? Hes so mindbroken hes just going "no u" kek

>>52348402
Axel wasn't talking about what makes him the most money but what he thinks is the best way to spend money to get it to him.
He for some reason mostly ends up talking about what the fan gets in return and how fast they get it. No idea why people take what he said as proof of any cuts

>>52347600
No that's cookieswirl. Everything else would be mouse.

>>52348188
Well good thing we have an example of a "real" twitch steamer that has moved to YouTube, Ludwig was a bigger streamer then ironmouse on twitch no? I mean she is just copying what he invented and his average on YouTube is
>15k
Literally half of 6 holos average and 5 or so other have a higher average then him twitch numbers are a joke when compared to youtube go suck your eceleb cock somewhere else shitter this is the vtuber board.

>>52343358
there are several new treatments being used in the last decades that are successful combating cancer and even cure it 100%. Thing is, cancer, like already talked by some anons, is really a devil, you cure 1 type of specific cancer in one decade and other 10 types are discovered in the next.

>>52332069
This. She's a lot like Korone in that way, she became big because she actually put in the effort.

>>52348731

>>52348806
This, I mean prostate cancer is effectively solved at this point, as long as you catch it early (if you have dark red stools, for the love of god don't ignore it, immediately schedule a doctor's appointment). Other cancers, not so much.

>>52348731
No one pays attention to losers who refuse to fight on a real platform like Twitch.
Think about why so many people love Twitch.
Hololive's numbers are fake.

>>52348809
Korone should also just never turn the stream off while sleeping

>>52348934
But then listener-san can't tell her to go to bed

>>52348919
>Real platform
You mean a joke platform which even the streamers there are calling shit? Go back shitter you arnt relievent

>>52348181
Are you trying to saying Ironmouse's most buffed stream is only 10k? Because her disneyland stream a few days ago averaged 20k and that's not really unheard of at all for her anytime she does something special like that.
The seethe is real.

>>52348919
>Says a twitch streamer will have even more viewers on YouTube
>Gets proven wrong
>H-he is a shitter yeah my platform is superior
How is it allowed to be this retarded? Are all twitchniggers actual children?

>>52348181
Mouse's biggest solo stream got more viewers than anyone on holo though

Does Ironlung even exist when she isn't doing a subathon and begging for money?

>>52332069
>Calli might have had the chance if she wasn't busy with other shit all the time.
totally agree.

Everyone forgets about the true queen CookieSwirlC

>>52349053
Her average for the whole stream is 10k i don't know what shit she does but a 20k for few hours isn't shit, koyori held 60k viewer's for a major period of her stream, still below any holo there is no comparison here.

>>52349248
You mean every other month of the year?

>>52349242
No it didn't stop being dilusional and go back to your shithole if you think acting reatarded is funny then hate to inform you but you just have a mental illness, i think it will be better if you kys at this point existing like this is an embarrassment.

>>52324479
Chumfucks don't get to speak.
>b-but
Go pardon your lazy cunt some more.

>>52349020
The nips in slavery don't know this, but human have the right to request improvements in the working environment.
Twitch is the best platform now, and it continues to improve at this very moment.

>>52349248
Barely she has reclined hard from last year she dosent even make it to hours watched list with the same amount of streams she did last year.

>>52349422
Like i said nobody gives a shit about your platform here it's irrelevant just like yours whores and is inflated by bots go back

>>52349286
Disney was over 8 hours actually. Not 3.
Yes she has done many streams where 20k was the average because of things like debuts or other special events like Disney such as other IRL events similar to it. In august last year she had 45k for a special event.

>>52349422
Twitch is such a garbage platform that their biggest streamers are willing to switch to other sites just for some cash bribes.

>>52349481
>most popular and used streaming platfomr
>irrelevant
lol

>>52349481
>12:28 JST
This nip sacrificed his lunch break, which lasted only a few seconds.

>>52349586
>willing to switch to other sites
Literally who?
One streamer received $1 million from Kick but still streams on Twitch.

>>52349481
>youtube and kick have to beg the biggest streamers to come to them with millions of dollars in deals
>twtich doesn't do anything cause they know people will keep coming to twitch

>>52349869
But twitch paid a Tiktoker, right?

>>52349737
*100mil they got THE biggest streamer in livestreming history.
And it's by design they stream on twitch for something to build up viewership then shift to kick for the rest of the stream, it's quite literally blaitent stealing and there is nothing twitch can do about it unless they just ban the streamers that have signed with kick but that will start an even bigger shitstorm.

>>52349869
Twitch bribes their streamers to stay by giving them preferential treatment and money just like the other platforms.
Youtube is the only one who has to do nothing, the biggest twitch streamers already upload their stuff to yputube anyways.

>>52349869
>Platform burning down and getting distroyed by inside out
>HAHA WE ARE ON TOP WE CAN'T FALL YEAH DEFINITELY
i think this is also the mentality the twitch CEO has when he started rolling out 5 unskippable ads, why the fuck are unironic twitch drones here though? Dont you usually stay on reddit?

>>52314476
/thread

>>52350136
So why do you think calliope mori's RM started a Twitch channel even though he had an active Youtube channel?
Because she knows that Twitch is more than just a platform. yeah, Twitch is culture, country, a ticket to dream.

>>52315719
>Marine summons at least 70k viewers almost at will if she's doing one of her little projects (Sister Marine, old woman Marine, her little VA auditions, to name a few...). Not to mention her clout among seiyuu circles, etc.
>Hard to say if IM has that same level of pull.
Mouse can do all of that if she wants to.

>>52350470
hey, you're that retarded ESL SEAninja that gets ignored and samefags in /morig/. Fancy seeing you here, when are you relieving your parents and roping yourself?

>>52350552
Yeah, I'm sure Hollywood stars want to be on her podcast.

>>52350681
You're confusing me with someone else.
What's /morig/?

>>52350779
Jap voice actors are not hollywood stars. They are barely more relevant than Connor.

>>52350995
Yes, of course.
I said, if she wanted to, she could collaborate with Hollywood stars.

>>52350779
I mean there have been some fairly famous people willing to chill with mouse and potentially come on her show in the future so that's not that strange. Generally anytime someone finds out Mouse knows about them, they end up on her show eventually. Wouldn't be surprised if Bad Bunny ends up on there eventually.

What's up with all these Vshitshow cucks trying to shill their garbage and dying platform here while trying to dowplay Hololive's numbers? Your whores get fucked by Koreans on your own platform and you believe you have something to say in that regard? LMAO!

>>52352364
It's just for now anyway.
Koreans used to be based on Youtube, but since the Kpopsimps' bot was eliminated, they just moved to Twitch.
Twitch, unlike Youtube, is highly technical and will succeed in eliminating them completely.

>>52347787
Kson's 50/50 comment was in reference to hololive.