/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

From what we know Enma is micromanaging their collabs pretty hard and won't let Gura collab for whatever reason. She also won't let Coco collab with any of the EN's.

I bet they don't like her because of numbers.

>>522563
She will with her EN2 kohai

>>522616
Haachama already asked her for a collab and Gura accepted months ago.
Shion and Gura are good friends and talk to eachother in their chats or on discord all the time.

*really shitty mean rrat here*

>>522667

>>522563
Gawr-Korone collab when!?

>>522616
>>522667
>>522697
>>522704
Gura has good relationships with Shion and a few other senpai but the manager doesn't allow Gura to collab. Gura can only collab with other Holomyth members, this is the curse of having a spiteful fanbase that harassed Iofi.

>>522735
Who the fuck? Why would they harass that angel?

>>522735
What
Why did the chumbuds harrass Iofi?

>>522807
>>522810
do not believe this falseflagging nigger
Iofi was harrassed by a few chinks on youtube and twitter and thats it

>>522807
>>522810
After the Among Us collab, some chumbuddies started going after Iofi for not translating enough and making Gura lose. Iofi retaliated but it didn't look good on her part as well. Gura, who is so insecure she won't even go to the bathroom during a stream, probably cried out of embarassment and vowed never to collab with anyone outside holoen ever again. Or her manager just thought it's best not to, or both.

>>522827
i think this too. chumbuds is no that agressive. they some of them are underage for sure but no they would not be agressive at all.

>>522563
>Gura
>TBA
OH NO NO NO LADS

>>522807
>>522810
It was during the Among Us collab where Gura got angry because of her poor Japanese being a disadvantage and Risu & Suisei taking advantage of it. They blamed Iofi for "not translating well enough" despite the fact that she shouldn't have been expected to be a translation bot during a gaming collab in the first place. Iofi ended up apologizing for "being useless" on Twitter but I think she later deleted those tweets.

While we're talking about it, remember that chumcunts also raided Fubuki's pre-stream chat when Gura got 1mil subs and passed Fubuki, leading to Fubuki having to tell them to stop and that it made her sad in English.

Chumcunts are by far the worst fanbase in Hololive and Gura is too skittish to do anything about them.

>>522563
Yes. And you would know that if you would watch her streams. She said that something is planned but is not allowed to talk about it. Its obvious at this point that her first senpai collab is supposed to be something bigger and preparations for it take a lot of time. Managment shut down all collabs with other senpais until then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xJ3MZEb4&t=232s

>>522888
Show me a single chumbud who harrassed Iofi>>522827

>>522888
Oh look its this rrat swinging nigger again who is obsessed with chumbuds. Still no meds available for you?

>>522956
Not a "rrat" but a fact that they harass other Holos.

>Cumcucks blame all to the chinks
You pathetic retards are the worst fanbase by far.

>>522613
Enma needs to fucking commit suicide.

>>523018
Excuse me anon it's Cumchuds to you.

>>522563
Gura's fans are obnoxious entry-level babies and a collab with a JP one would probably cause massive cultural friction due to two fanbases clashing with each other.
I'm sure for the chuubas themselves it'd be just fine though.

The EOP holos.will probably start collaging more when there's a gEN2

>>522987
They didn't harrass her.

Fubuki was making a FoxShark, people in the stream chat just naturally moved the topic towards Gura because Shark, and they talked about how Gura hit 1mil before Fubuki

Pretty sure no one went out of their way just to say Fubuki sucks or what have you

>>522987
>fubuki would approve of me using this screenshot as a cudgel against gura
Friend hates you faggot.

>>522563
Why even bother to include the 17th on the schedule?

>>522987
fbk...

>>523143
The dumb shark that plods around walking simulators has an underage fanbase but the detective that screeches while playing bing bing wahoo has a mature audience that won't cause cultural friction.
do teamates really?

>>523316
She's a tease.

What's the significance of the 17th?

>>523143
I'm fine with that. The Japs suck.

>>522956
Tfw you can't criticize Gura because her chumcunts are some fucking whiteknights

>>522864
>>522888
Gura also tilted hard because she was getting killed very early all the time, and unlike Ame it wasn't funny.

>>523580
rrats aren't criticism.

>>523686
The among us problem with Iofi and the spam on Fubuki's channel aren't rrats, because it happened. Chumkeks being in denial is another problem.

>>522563
When did Pekora break from her bubble? Legitimately asking because I'm too lazy to check but I recall people saying she was pretty much solo until Moona.

>>523018
>[Chumbuds] are the worst fanbase by far.
KFP exists.

>>522616
And before Gura, were the senior members jealous of Pekora and hated her or something? They've already been down this road and understand that it's a team effort. It has to be, otherwise rrat will actually be true and it'll be bad.

>>523848
This.

good. shes for normies. japanese vtubers arent actually as normie as her. they could trigger those normies/casual woketards who watch only gura and holo en.

pekora can match gura since she isnt really a hardcore otaku but shes too autistic to collab with an english vtuber.

>>522613
Based enma

>>523970
Based? Yeah, a cringe-based lifeform

>>522613
>Enma
fuck this bitch already.

>all the newfags ITT just eating up these rrats with no fucking source or proof
You idiots are NGMI

What proof is there that Gura's manager won't let her collab? Or is that just schitzoposting?

>>524007
I'm trying.

>>523345
you having a stroke?

fucking cumbuckets are shitstains. I wish we could have senzawa back.

Stop blaming me you stupid fucking rrats.

>>522613
>>522616
I've always thought it was more so to protect Gura from being then advantage of by the JP girls. Just think, a good portion of Gura's audience in all likelihood just watch her or other EN members. If she were to collab with one of the JP girls, Gura would likely see no benefit while the JP girl would gain a ton of English speaking subs. I'd be willing to bet that after Gura broke 1 mill she was flooded with requests from the JP girls and probably got overwhelmed. When considering how little she speaks Japanese, she probably didn't want to deliver multiple poor quality collab streams.

>>522613
How do you know the manager micromanage? Is there any evidence? And no, the fact that Gura hasn't collabed one on one with another member is not evidence for micromanagement.

>>524160
This. You people are literally just lying to justify something you have no idea about. You idiots have no idea why Gura doesn't collab outside of her gen.

>>523307
The fact is she said that when Samefags kept comparing numbers IN HER CHAT.

>>523307
It's nothing against Gura you dumbfuck, learn to tell the difference between a streamer and a fanbase. You will never be a family or friends with Gura, not a single one of you. The parasocial relationship shit isn't gonna happen.

Gura =/= her retard fans.

>>524069
No, I accidentally dutch oven'd myself after eating beany-weenies and have been choking for half an hour now, i can't concentrate, and it's still in my mouth.

>>522563
Gura has stated multiple times she loves coco. I think she just wants to 1-1 on collab with coco first but management is delaying it because the fucking chink situation is still ongoing. This is pure speculation on my part though.

>>524257
lol its literally totally a speculation and i dont understand what would be protected by doing that while coco is doing many collabs with other jp members.

>>524150
>being this delusional
the absolute state of cumbuckets

>>524310
Honestly, they're probably afraid the EOP viewers would raise an anti-chink shitstorm. Sure, Cover doesn't want to be political, but the fans going political is going to make them look bad for chink perms if they ever get them back.

>>524065
Boots ruined it

>>523848
>>523933
They at least keep their autism in this place and kept the war between other fanbases, they dont sperg in another chuuba's Twitter or livechat. We at least know KFP likes Kiara becuz of...uhh...whatever Kiara's trait is, but chumbuds 'retorts' will be
>uhhhh 2 million subs
>best singer in Holo hurrrr
>ahaha cope, seethe, dilate, stay mad
I have faced other insane gachis before but they at least can write an essay why they loved their oshi. Cumbuds won't even make a paragraph

>>524160
Not that anon but Coco has talked about her collab requests getting ghosted

>>524503

>>524357
This but unironically

>>524568
A more reasonable guess will be blanket suspension on collab with other branches, since Coco has collabed with other JP members. No point singles out Gura only.

>>524132
I'm sorry Enma-sama, please step on me.

>>524357
I mean am I wrong? I don't even have her membership, I'm just saying what's obvious. What would Gura have to gain from collabing with JP girls at this point? All the girls play the numbers game at some point. Just look at FAQ News and Marine meme review.

>>524924
you're not wrong. but you're still a schizoid who thinks every collaboration between streamers need to have an underlying corporate reason to be set up, when in truth it's just two people who just wanna interact

i dont know why yall are so mad but i think gura is cute and funny

>>524924
Imagine thinking that the JP girls gaining viewers by collabing with Gura is a bad thing. Truly the chumcunts are the most retarded fanbase.

>>525057
>collaborations don't need to have an underlying corporate reason to be setup
>corporate management is not allowing Gura to collab because of underlying reasons.
The state of this fellow

>>525431
>Gura is an autist who is socially retarded added with language barrier
>Having a retarded fanbase making collabs risky
>"I-I think its the manager's fault even when cringe Mori and N5000Ame can collab with JP just fine!"
The state of cumbuds

>>522563
she was the first EN to collab with a senpai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmm8ig9P_Ak

>>522563
Yes. It's bound to happen sooner or later.

>>525635
Haha yeah, like how KanaTowa 3D will happen one day

>>522613
ENMA HATE

>>522987
Wow fuck chumfags for making friend sad.

>>522563
Remember that time Ina was banned from collabs?

yeah anyways fuck you and fuck all you retards, probably the same exact people who were saying that shit

>>525523
>>525906
Fuck off falseflagger.

>>522563
She doesn't need to collab with senpai.

>>522563
What do you think TBA on 2/17 is? Last week she said there will be collab, but details aŕe still being worked.

>>526365
I'm gonna flag my dick down your throat

>>526522
That's the day of the bloom concert. Gura respects her senpai too much to stream on that day. Maybe she might join kiara and live comment the concert with her? Not sure.

>>526869
Anon, the same day doesn't mean thier streams will overlap...

>>523848
in your head, rent-free.

>>522563
Too much autism, not enough JP reps

>>524847
that tangent from Callie cape to the Enmas sleeve is agitating my autsim

>>524559
>they dont sperg in another chuuba's Twitter or livechat
Kiara, I wrote you an essay, let's goooooooooooo
Also you can get a pretty long paragraphs on why they like Gura if the question is genuine. There's no need for other answers if it's just /hlg/ ken-samas seething over Gura's numbers or fake nousagis falseflagging.

>>525906
It wasn't chumbuds, it was the falseflagging /hlg/ schizo.

No Senpai collab with her anymore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkCqVKz9OCk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0ttuY_Xn-g

Why is there so much anti-gura shilling? Why does a silly cartoon shark girl make them seethe so much?

>>528117
this entire board is full of antis, not just against gura

>>528037
I fail to see what point is this trying to make.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Iu1MC0wvrA
>>528117
Look at the number of unque IPs. It's just one faggot falseflagging.

>>528117
This board is 70% trolls attempting to troll each other and not realizing the other person is also a troll by shitting on vtubers. 20% Chink shills trying to create animosity against holos. 10% actual discussions about vtubers (most of it hornyposting).

>>522563
Enma is literally going to kill her, Coco and Haachama.

>>522563
Haachama asked to play some Smash Kart 51. What happened with that?

>>529457
TBA

>>524150
>being taken advantage of by the JP girls
ngl the fact that this could've actually happened if hololive wasn't japanese and didn't have their idol culture of being ultra wholesome or whatever is kinda sad

>>524924
You're ENTIRELY wrong, but you don't really understand the gimmick or hololive. Vtubing is popular because they have this perfect balance between being an entertainer and being genuine, the Japanese in specific perfected how to play a character and being themselves, they care about having a good time but at the same time putting a good show. If they focus too much on what they're gaining and how well they're doing they can be perceived as disingenuous.

Look at Kiara, she gets made fun of in this board because she's constantly very vocal about her numbers, you could've clearly see she had a shitty mood for months because she was the least subbed EN, because she didn't have too many people watching her streams, etc.

You can see how the JP girls see themselves as friends and not coworkers, thats why you had "big names" like Miko and Korone collabing for the first time very recently in the 3 years they've been streaming, they dont care about how well the stream could've been, they want to hang out with their friends and have a good time

tldr: jp girls are not numberfags

>>524150
But that is not true. Many of them get really good 10k stable stream numbers. Pekora is always at 25k at least live viewers. When they collab with other people it goes crazy high. Gura's number while high at 15k to 25k at most is actually her lowest recently. She used to pull 30k on a regular. She needs variety. She needs more content. She needs other people to throw her humor at because her genmates pretty much is already drawn out the same shit over and over. Kinda boring now.

>>530463
You're not entirely wrong but you don't understand the gimmick of hololive**

>>530463
They do care about numbers. If they didn't then they wouldn't do those enduramce karaoke streams. But the holojp girls aren't so blatant and direct about it. They are happy and thankful about what they receive. Kiara is just very bitter. I hate this part of her.

>>524503
I kind of like them.

>>530607
those milestone streams are more like Superchat-bait rather than a celebration, it's an excuse for their more hardcore fans to open their wallets

>>530463
Ame isnt a numberfags too, so please watch her play Nier Automata!

>>530742
Forgot link!
https://streamable.com/16i6ff

>>530665
That only proves my point that they do care about the numbers. But they are a class act. They don't really have to openly be bitter like Kiara. It cringes me every time she goes on a tirade.

>>523822
>I recall people saying she was pretty much solo until Moona.
And like (you), they're all people who started watching Pekora 3 months ago.
She didn't even trouble collabing with people outside of hololive. PekoHina collabs were peak kino, they even did 3D collabs together

>>524007
>collab with gura
suddenly mel and aki skyrocket to 2million subscribers?!

>>529457

Gura can't even be bothered to play Smash Kart 51 with her bromie who speaks English (sort of)

>>530781
I meant that it's about the money, not the numbers themselves, those milestones don't happen often. Captivating their audience is better than having a lot of subs.
It's been a while since I watch gura but her livestreams always had around 25k subs, meanwhile, holos with half of her subs like Pekora and Marine can pull the same numbers. Sometimes Miko and Korone can even reach 60k on a regular gameplay stream easily.
Collabing with Gura wouldn't significantly affect their audience

>>531096
I just wanna brag that Suisei's Marika stream today have nearly thirty k viewers live. Thats all.

>>531164
I love her

>>522735
>>522810
>>522827
>>522864
>>522888
>>522918
>>523763
>Among US
>Iofi
>This timeloop again.
Both EOPs and JOPs complained to the Holos involved in that stream about the language barrier issue. It was a major topic of discussion due to how tilted Gura got on stream (irrespective of it being played up by Gura or just a claim she made for damage control).

Gura should have kept her cool to some degree, mostly because a lot of people aren't aware what a "personality" is in the entertainment industry. Iofi is also "at fault" for a simply not managing expectations with translation work between EN and JP instead of confirming on Twitter that she'd do it when people pointed at her. Everyone else should've just paid more attention to Iofi having difficulty translating and Gura "not being heard" and be more organized, but I guess that's what happens when you don't have a Botan to do crowd control live.

As for the so-called harassment... there is none. Maybe there is maybe one actual instance of it happening that led to Iofi going full drama queen on Twitter. At most, she took blame for the translation issue, but not much else.

>>522810
You said Kiarafags wrong, Also it wasn’t Chumcunts you’re falseniggerflagging and starting shit.

>>530463
>>531096
Anon stop trying to forget that YAB that pretty much confirmed Pekora to be a numberfag. They put on the act, who knows how many more of them visit that site reguralrly.
Also not sure what your point exactly is. English vtubers do not have subs concentrated in one timezone like JP, it's much easier for the latter to pull large live viewers. "Captivating your audience" does not matter if you drop your stream at 5 am. However ENs for the same live viewers have reletively more views on their archives - because more poeple from different timezone catch up later.

>>532587
>that YAB
what are you talking about? which site?

>>532587
that guy thinks the jp girls would try to take advantage of gura's sub explosion and overwhelmed her with requests to do collabs, my point is that they would never do that, they probably care more about their live audience because of the super chats

>>522987
why is friend so nice? I want to marry her...

Is Shark just too Autistic to collab with anyone outside of Holomyth?

>>533106
yes thats exactly it newfriend :)

>>532739
Do your reps, fucking newfags, gotta gatekeep, don't spoonfed etc etc.

>>533386
so which one is supposed to be the yab

>>524245
>it's not about gura
sure faggot.

I don't know man. If I was Gura I wouldn't be able to ask someone for a collab when I never talked to them and on top they speak another lenguaje. I am really fucking akward for those things

>>522563
she's saving her first 1 on 1 collab for coco

since there's a coco collab ban, she's protesting management by refusing any collabs before coco

remember that she dedicated a whole karaoke stream when coco was suspended

>>522987
that's not what happened

You guys are seething at Enman or Cover because Gura won't collab with her Senpais because you think she's being blocked or something. She already did a collab with Moona. She already did the among us collab which has a highlight video in the Hololive Official Channel. She got all her instrumentals for her hololive karaoke special from her senpais directly!

If she's not collaborating then that means only of 3 things. 1. The senpai and her are collaborating but for something bigger like an original song. 2. She wants to collaborate but she can't adjust her time when the Japanese or HoloID girls are alive or 3. She doesn't want to extend the collab and js waiting for the girls to invite her like a little princess. Most of the games that she is playing with the resr of the holoen are ALL suggestions by the other person. Never her. And we know how stressed out the jp girls can get when trying to reach out to someone. They always feel that they are burdening the other especially if they are not actually friends.

>>534426
She can collab with haachama. Every holoen has. She can gl with any holoid. She already did the among us collab. She's just waaaay passive. She's passive and i doubt if she really responds actively to discord messages

>>539987
The only time she organized a collab was the minecraft stream. That was it. And as you can see fro the vid, her plan for the stream was to dig a hole. She's not good with organizing shit.

>>539987
I think she gets crippling anxiety, maybe she feels really pressured to the point where she's paralyzed from doing anything.

>>541073
Which is really really sucks if you know majority of your 2M fans are just waiting on you to make a move. Makes you more paralyzed to do shit. If she's gonna collab she's gonna do it. Cover won't stop her. Even if it is Coco. Ffs. Sora and Pekora who are their marketing darling in Japan already collabed with Coco.

>>527329
Coco and Haato exist on the JP side, and practically all of the ID side speaks good english

>>522613
Literally no evidence for EN collabs being restricted or micromanaged whatsoever.

Coco, on the other hand, is probably restricted from doing collabs with EN but that would definitely not be something decided by individual managers. More likely Cover policy to protect their new branch from potential controversy after their global reputation took a big hit briefly back during the T-word arc.

>>524924
She gets content from it you fucking braindead moron. That's how every collab works in any industry. One person has more clout and they use the person with less clout for content and in return the person with less clout gets an increase in clout. It's very simple when you spend more than 15 seconds thinking about instead of shitting up /vt/ threads whenever your coward of a shark gets called out for not interacting with anyone in public, outside of HoloEN.

>>524924
>>542321

This is not just about clout chasing though. Remember that this is a Vtuber IDOL Agency. Which means their main goal is to promote them to advertisers and viewers through sponsorships, games and merch and whatever. Not just one person but all of them. If Gura was so keen on being alone. She could've just stayed as the drunk loli. But she didn't. She purposely went for Hololive. Events are where they make bank. Concerts and stuff. She will have to collab and she is probably aware of it. AGAIN. We don't what is happening in the background. There might be some intent to collab or none. Sooner or later they will all have to. It just makes sense for Cover to make HoloEN to collab with HoloJP. And btw. Gura is not their money maker. It's Calli and Kiara. Just because she gets more subs and views that doesn't mean people are shilling. A major fraction of her audience are probably too young to have a card yet. Lol

>>543120
Another thing to add is that she is becoming very one note as of late. She needs to look at better avenues that she can focus on creatively. Collaborating with other people will help her. Pekora greatly improved after pushing hard with her collaborations. Not just with Moona, but with Okayu, Botan, Miko, Korone and a lot more. Pekora is still the most viewed and most marketable person they have right now. Coco and Rushia are SC champions but Pekora brings the Nissin Curry concert kind of sponsorships. Money don't lie. And even with that, Pekora still collabed with Coco. You know why? The content creator hardly cares about that. If Gura really pushed she can get what she wanted. But I don't think Gura is pushing.

>>541260
honestly i dont think even a fraction of her subs give a single shit if she collabs outside of holoEN. Hell besides AmeSame streams I dont even think they expect collabs with anyone else in EN. Most people in the community are not on 4chan or reddit, they are pretty much normies

>There is some sort of collab ban
I just don't... get this. All of the other EN girls seem to be able to collab freely, why would they ban Gura specifically when there's clearly a large interest in it (see this or similar thread be created whenever gura posts a collab, or just randomly even). It also can't be an outright ban, Gura does collabs with the other EN girls all the time, especially with Ame, and has done a few more indirect collabs like her shion video, the marine meme contest, and a more direct collab like the JP tour. Also, Gura seems to speak with her senpais all the time, see the video she did for Shion's birthdays and the fact that she had to ask for instrumental versions of hololive songs from her senpais directly. Additionally, Calli did that one collab with the trash taste people which could have been a pretty risky collab with some potential blowback, even if you include the corporational benefits cover got from it.

>JP is jealous of Gura's numbers
See above, they clearly don't have any trouble interacting with eachother. Also, I doubt every single member of hololive JP would be so jealous of Gura that not a single one would want to collab

>Cover is micromanaging the collabs
Management at cover is shit, what would lead anyone to believe that they have the time or resources to be micromanaging collabs of all things.


Some simple thinking dispels most of these rrats and some Occam's razor deals with the rest. Gura is an introverted, ADHD ridden, self conscious individual. What's more likely? Some massive Hololive conspiracy, or that Gura is just too nervous about a possible language barrier, or possibly to even propose a collab in the first place. And it's not like Gura has some unfounded fear, you can see in the among us collab that she just isn't the best at dealing with a language barrier, unlike someone like Ame who seems to have a much simpler time dealing with them. Ignoring the possible language barrier, she might simply be too nervous to do a one on one collab with people she doesn't know super well. Even in the full EN collabs Gura is much quieter than usual.

I just think you people are over thinking and Gura is, in summary, simply too much of a nervous wreak to propose, or to accept, collabs with her senpais. Should she be pushing herself harder to make a collab happen? Probably. Will it happen eventually? It's practically inevitable. I say just give it some more time.

>>543332
This is where you are very wrong my fellow chumbud. The surge in popularity and trend of a right collab would produce will be a massive marketing boost for all hololive talents.

Imagine if Botan streams an Apex Collab with Gura, or a Chess match with Nene, or a death match in Minecraft with Pekora or Miko, or a karaoke duet with Suisei or anything else than Amesame. A lot of content can be done. No shit is being done.

>>543434
>I just think you people are over thinking and Gura is, in summary, simply too much of a nervous wreak to propose, or to accept, collabs with her senpais. Should she be pushing herself harder to make a collab happen? Probably. Will it happen eventually? It's practically inevitable. I say just give it some more time.

This is the most likely reason. Man, even a 51club game with haachama would be nice. Just so that I can see how freaky haato will get when addressed as haachama

>>543546
Youre nuts if you think a social recluse like Gura is going to touch whatever the fuck is going on with haachama right now

>>543546
Any collab would be nice honestly, although Haachama is probably pretty far down the list of the people Gura is likely to collab with because of >>543584. I think the most likely person for her to collab, with decreasing probability, is probably Shion or Marine, then any of the holo ID, and finally probably everyone else.

This is slightly off topic, but why do people care so much if Gura collabs in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love a collab (especially if it made Gura spice up her content a little), but does it *really* matter that much?

>>543789
I think the want stems from the fact that collaborations are really where hololivers are really good at. Remember the sports fes? The host club? The mariokart tournament? Okbr vs senpaitachi? It's a group of vtubers so it makes sense for them to collab. And alsk because Gura's content is becoming a bit boring now. They want variation.

>>522613
>From what we know Enma is micromanaging their collabs pretty hard and won't let Gura collab for whatever reason.
>From what we know
>we

>>543227
The language barrier's a big issue for her since it's obvious Gura has some form of social anxiety, the bad experience from the Among Us collab is probably what's been keeping her from collabing. Kind of hard to compare her with Pekora when she and the people she collabed with speak the same language.

>>543546
Gura already agreed to a collab when Haato asked her a while ago (the smashkart 51 thing). So at the very least, Gura's still on the hook for that.

>>522987
>Still parroting this shitty rrat
If you were actually there when this happened, you'd know that she was addressing people who were shitting on Gura in her chat, saying things like "She doesn't deserve 1 mil" and "Fubuki should've been first", etc.

>>544010
>Remember the sports fes? The host club? The mariokart tournament? Okbr vs senpaitachi?
While those where amazing and memorable collabs, they where group collabs. Most people here and on similar threads seem to want 1 on 1 collabs specifically. Not to say that 1on1 collabs are less fun or interesting, but they do carry less hype and tend to be less memorable. I just don't see why people are putting so much importance on a 1on1 collab that would end up being fairly irrelevant and is much less likely to happen, compared to a big, exciting group collab that Gura has participated in before.

>>522563
Because everyone on this board, including you, seems to be unironically retarded, I'm going to state this veeerrryyy deliberately:

She. Doesn't. Speak. Japanese.

To reiterate:

She. Does NOT. Speak. Japanese.

>>544401
People tend to remember fun collab, but forget that collab could end up boring and awkward too.

Gura stabbed her mother to death. Her mom was a drinker and a fiend. One night she goes off crazier than usual, starts beating Gura's little brother. Gura gets a kitchen knife to defend them. Mommy doesn't like that, not one bit. She slaps Gura to the ground and picks up the knife. So, Gura watching, she takes the knife to the little bro, laughing while she does it. Then she turns to Gura, crying in the corner. But they had more knives, and Gura lunges at her mom. Stabs her thirty seven times in the chest and face. By this point a neighbor has called the cops. They come with an ambulance. Little brother lives, permanently disfigured. That's why she drinks.

>>522563
Fubuki and Sora hates her.

>>544693
This is a good point too. Do people really think that a socially anxious Gura is the best fit to be making 1on1 collabs with poeple that are for most intents and purposes complete strangers. If you get a bad dice roll, you've got a sure ticket for an awkward and embarrassing collab.

That's some bad english as a second language you've got there, bro

>>544615
I don't understand why you people don't get this. Coco can't collab with EN, the rest minus Haachama do not speak a single bit of english, and she probably doesn't want to play favorites with Haachama either.
Mori, Ina, Kiara speak Japanese to varying degrees and Ame has this strange streamer admiration for Hololive and crazy mindset that makes her think the collabs can work despite the language barrier.

>>544615
>>544886
She does not need to speak Japanese though. Coco, Haachama, Iofi, Risu, Moona, Reine, Anya and Ollie all speak her language. And as far as social anxiety... You guys see Ina? She's doing her absolute best in not only playing games that she likes but also playing with her colleagues. See Ame? That girl's collab are fucking anxiety inducing because of the awkwardness but heck she still does it... Big ups foe those two. Gura has issues for sure but not really making a move in improvement is going to be a hindrance. She has to do small steps here. What if she was offered a big sponsorships that involves her to collab? What if she want to join Bloom? She has to work around her shit. Ayame is a goos example. That girl is such a recluse that she barely collabs outside of F A M S. She barely hosts it too. But she's very good when collabing in the main channel. She does her part. Gura will have to. And for her to improve she has to push herself. AGAIN. This is an Idol Vtuber Group. It's a group with major interests in pushing solo and group efforts together

>>545610
Haachama does speak English and she has collabed with every Holoen except for Gura. There is no favorites there. Gura has even sang her song

>>545610
And you guys do know that Gura wants to be able to sing alongside her senpais right? She loves them and idolizes them to a certain degree. You can tell from how much she gushes about their songs. She has to work around her issues.

Ina's goals was to improve her social skills. She's certainly doing better. I hope Gura does as well.

>>545687
hololive is basically full of autistic girls who have so called コミュ障 = communication trauma/barrier.
shes definitely such a person. the language barrier is the main reason i guess but even within holo jp, not all the jp members aggressively collab with other jps either.

holo en has merely 4 members now and she happened to be the first autistic one whos needlessly worried about unusual things.

>>545943
She is indeed needlessly worried about it. And yes aggressive collabs are not there but every one is aware of mandatory collabs caused by Song releases, concerts, game advertisements and whatnot. They are always hosted in the Main channel. They are doing one right now. And also, even if everyone of the hologirls have issues with comms they still show up and do their part professionally in those mandated collab promos and concerts.

If she suddenly jumps in those and see how terrible she is... I doubt she'll actually try to do any in the future. She has to do her reps or she'll flop in a bigger stage.

>>545943
>hololive is basically full of autistic girls who have so called コミュ障
nice コミュ障 here, when all the girls have many friends/acquaintances outside of hololive.

>>522563
>Is she never going to collab with a senpai
Coco is still problematic, and all the HoloEN girls are heavily doxxed, so getting bugmen involved is problematic.

Haato is ?


They should collab more with HoloID, Ollie especially.

>>523848
Setting up a franchise in your head rent free, based.

>>546145
Not really. Most of them merely have a few otaku friends at most except for maybe Choco sensei, Fubuki, Noel, Haato, and Flair. Coco looks outgoing, but is pretty autistic in a way. Luna is so good at communicating with others among holo jp and aggressively banters about others in a lighthearted way but she didn't have any experiences of hanging out irl. One of the off collaborations with Subaru and Choco sensei was her first experience of that. They call themselves 陰キャ = negative character, the ones who suck at normie shit and its communication, and AFAIK only Subaru is recognised as the opposite 陽キャ = positive character.

>>523933
>>527277
>>546280
Sneed

>>546628
Yeah. Luna is quite eccentric but she has been doing her best to open up. She has already done an off-collab with Matsuri before. The SubarxChocoxLuna was her first sleepover.

Flare has admitted before that she does not have a lot of friends but she does have friends. Mio, Marine, Subaru, Matsuri and Choco are the ones you see that are quite outgoing. You will see them popping out in non-holo collabs.

>>524403
eop? am i retarded? whats this mean

Gura fanbase is more or less the same 12 year olds sperging on twitch chats.
Hopefully collab soon though, but who tf knows if it's due to cancer chat or some other bullshit or Gura herself even

>>547265
English Only People aka cba learning some nip

>>547287
It's peasant.

>>547302
aye it is, my b, didn't sleep much

>>547287
nip is fucking hard dog. i'm trying to learn some but whenever i google a word that i hear frequently to try and learn some stuff and get more meaning than what the subs tell me, i have to read an essay on what the word means, how to use it (there's 900 different ways to use it) how pronouncing it can change the billions of different ways its used, etc.

does it ever get easier?

No matter how depressed I'm feeling, I'm instantly happy and smiling the moment I hear her voice.

>>547420
grammar is a bitch and the fucking ha wa ga bullshit
I'd say picking up words for context in speech is easier to learn compared to learning hiragana and shit
Just from anime or other nip content you can unintentionally pick up some basic context words and phrases.
But yea regarding the pronounces, it's a pitch accent kinda language so it can be a bit hard but unless you aim to speak it fluently as fuck and live there, it should be fine making mistakes.
Basic understanding at the least isn't too bad

>>544145
Anonchama, her best collab partner is an Indog(no offense 35p)

>>544401
While it doesnt give much big impact, the impact is there. Mel got a boost(I think 5k subs in a day) and jaypee hlg actually likes Ame.

>>547499
>Just from anime or other nip content you can unintentionally pick up some basic context words and phrases.
yeah, i can almost understand some basic sentences by contex and knowing what a few words mean. i've only recently dedicated myself to trying to learn some actual jap so i can TRY and know what these whores are saying, and its going alright i guess. could be worse. someone recommended i learn kana and then try and learn vocab so maybe i'll do that.

>>546207
I can see Gura getting along with Ollie, but maybe theres some timezone issues with that, most of the ID girls seem quite pleasant. Though I can see Gura having a bit of an inferiority complex since the ID girls can all speak 3 languages at once.

>>547707
>since the ID girls can all speak 3 languages at once.
which ollie frequently fucking does on stream shit makes my brain hurt trying to watch her

>>547707
If Ollie starts spouting some one-liner nonsense on Gura, I swear to god shit will get awkward really fast.

>>547802
>haha marry me gura :3
>y-yej
i can see it now

what is even the problem if she does not want to collab?

if you actually think Ame and Ina are more awkward than Gura keep in mind that it takes around 30min for Gura to tweet something because she keep rewriting it and has to practice her talking in front of the mirror before going to the store

>>547420
Depends on context like most words.
Like, how you just call that anon "dog"

>>547988
Truly our girl

>>547499
Hiragana and katakana arent hard (although katakana is bullshit and shouldnt exist). You could learn both in about a month with 30ish minutes daily dedicated to it. Kanji on the other hand is a bitch

>>523018
I was there, I looked for anyone harassing Iofi when she first posted on twitter, and the best I could find was literally lin Dongqing

>>547802
I don't know. Kiara's personality is pretty similar to Ollie's and her collabs with Gura have been fine. Gura is better at adapting to her collab partners than people think.

>>549757
>Thanks for advice young lad
lol subscribed

>>528117
SUCCESS
BREEDS
JEALOUSY

>>530490
The real problem is that gura is fucking boring.
Her funniest moments are either unintentional, from stupidity, or from collabs.

>>549757
i definitely recall people posting her doxx on twitter but i dont know if that was bugs or not
it was more then just one random youtube comment

>>531544
The language barrier was part of the game. I think Gura actually semi blew up for real, because it really was frustrating but also because she's too stupid to realize the reason other holos basically never yell at each other even as jokes. It's because they aren't stupid and realize how shitty some people are.

>>551937
The thing is, people shitting around on twitter happens everyday regardless of anything in particular, that was the only other thing people could find that has connection to the among us session at best.

>>549757
He's literally trying to "u mad" her while being the mad one. Hilarious.

>>542321
Collab content is shit without suitable partner.
Why you fag so obsessed with "senpai" collab thing?
AFAIK, Gura care about her stream quality so if she think collab stream is not entertaining she not gonna do it.

>>551902
Absolutely disagree, she's the only chuuba I can sit through entire streams without switching it to the background or leaving.

>>552951
You don't disagree, she's just fucking stupid a lot.

>>552966
Entartainingly stupid, yes.

>>552236
why even go corporate if you dont make use of the ecosystem of talents? why not just spam minecraft as senzawa?

>>553168
Branding, sponsorship, technical support, etc.

>>552236
Sharkfags will unironically call other Holos leeches for them or their fans wanting to create quality content with their oshi but will turn around and say

>bro, it's totally ok for the cunny to use the infrastructure that was built up by the Idols that came before her.


Fuck off out of here.

>>530607
>>530463
>>530781
I would argue that it much more difficult for an English only speaker to notice numberfaging among the JP girls. There is a language barrier so you are more likely to give them the benefit of the doubt. There is also the fact that they are relying on translated clips for most part.

>>542321
I know you think that collabing offers a net benefit for everyone but that it blatantly wrong. The high sub count a vtuber has, the higher likelihood that they already share a sub with the smaller vtuber. This means that their is diminishing returns for the higher sub vtuber. At that point it is not worth it for the higher sub vtuber to collab because there is the chance it can result in a lower quality stream (i.e poor chemistry, language issues, uncomfortable awkwardness) that would require more effort overall.

The point stands, Gura currently has a lot more to offer to the JP girls than the JP girls can offer to Gura.

>>553221
branding eg "whoa is she gunna collab with iconic hololive memes like pekora and coco??" which she isnt taking advantage of, sponsorship just means more money for your corporations when you can get 10k all to yourself from raid shadow legends, and technical support is bull shit when your company is across a fucking ocean and its unlikely they have fucking active IT guys in an office waiting to assist her tech issues

>>530463
I seem to remember some JP girls being sad that they're the least subbed of their generations too, infact isn't that the exact catalyst for Akirose's current fanbase existence?

>>553757
I think you misunderstood the meaning of branding.

>>553854
whats the branding benefit of hololive outside of being associated with its famous members? you give up 60-70% of donos just for the association instead of actively using them to help you grow?

>>554067
very mutt. you might as well check nijisanji.

>>553646
Why do you think that big league of legend streamers duo with much smaller channels? Take yassuo for example, I don't know what he's averaging in live viewership these days but he Duos with sanchovies quite frequently and has made several videos with him in them even though he he had 10x more viewership than sanchovies.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=M6wBnbukhQw

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Te-wBOnOV2c

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2zBM8RRm3p4

https://youtube.com/watch?v=03ILWYuc5q4

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4ydQCyW9QIY

OfflineTV and friends is another good example of bigger streamers using smaller creators for content. Sykkuno and valkyrae average like 100k viewers separately when they play minecraft or among us, but they use smaller creators like Fuslie, QuarterJade and PeterparkTV (IDK what his viewership is atm it used to be like 4k-5k) to be in their lobbies or in their servers for soft role-playing and the bigger streamer gets content out of it that keeps viewership retained.

Collabs are a necessity for growing a channel/brand in any industry and they benefit both parties. If that wasn't the case then popstars would never let smaller musicians have features on their songs.

>The point stands, Gura currently has a lot more to offer to the JP girls than the JP girls can offer to Gura.

Have fun watching someone stream solo video gaming streams if this was 2012, truly riveting content. The most exciting thing she's done in the past month was the hardcore minecraft stream which was great and I'd love to see her do more streams that have stakes on them like that one.

>>554165
lol another mutt who has no clue about japanese idol culture and why japanese companies keep cherishing niche contents unlike your mutt corps. hololive is based on v-IDOL culture based on japanese idol culture. your e-celeb bs doesnt explain about hololive and its management. fyi nijisanji is much more about internet circlejerks and some nerd shit. they dont produce idols.

>>549757
That's because it's all that happened.

>>554165
To my original point, the ban of Gura collabs is likely to prevent all the JP girls from jumping on here at once. This is because she has so much to offer in terms of potential subs. Do I want Gura to remain solo, no. But I would take a solo stream any day over a poor collab there the two have no chemistry and can't communicate due to the language barrier.

>>533519
VNUMA. Last one on the upper row. Vtuber numberfag site. That, and also 5ch's YouTube board.

>>544693
Nah, i still remember coco x moona

It was supreme cringe kino A++

>>554273
>>554273
This narrative still doesn't work with "they're idols" since literal idols work with other musicians who are much less popular than them you knuckle dragger. This response also doesn't make sense because the original criticism was

>Gura should work with people in her "agency"

And you for some reason saw a list of examples showing off how massive youtubers and streamers BENEFIT from collabing with smaller creators which is what was the original point that was being argued.

Also, don't call it niche content when they literally sing songs about fucking pop and build an image of themselves as being inoffensive to their simp audience. You remind me of those people who post comments in Nirvans Music videos complaining about how REAL music is gone and how you're such a cool kid compared to your classmates for not listening to Arianna Grande.

You're a normie, posting on 4chan about virtual anime girls isn't niche you fag.

>>554273
My guy just said pop music and anime is niche, my dood is wildin fr fr fr

>>544615
doesnt matter nigger, ame had a collab with mel so you are objectively wrong

Hello HoloID 2.5 fans

>>524058
Fucking weekend tourists.