/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>52103253
It's not always about the relevance Spiderman.

>Old
>Married
>Has kids
He only seeks friends, while we seek a wife.
Different people have just differen desires, simple as

There was a time when Hololive was microscopic and Nijisanji was top dog. Nijisanji was the big guy, and it was Nijisanji's standards that people played to. That means no dividing line between males and females.

>>52103253
sunken cost

he knew there was a market for male vtubers and so branched into it

>>52103376
>has kids
does he have any sons? if not that explains everything

>>52103253
He wanted an idol company but saw that his girls behave like comedians at best and whores at worst. He thought to start with a fresh slate with the homos but it turns out they only shit the bed even worse.

>>52103530 (me)
And you can see the legacy of Nijisanji's standard in the Holos themselves. Every Holo in Gen 0 and Gen 1 collabs or has collabed with males before, I believe. Maybe everyone pictured has done a male collab before when Hololive was smaller. There was no dividing line, just like Nijisanji has no dividing line. Point here is there was no female-male collab taboo.
At this point, Holostars was still not a thing. They made their debuts around the same time as Gen 3. I don't know why Yagoo separated them at this stage rather than just following Niji's lead. Maybe it was just a formality and it was never intended to be a strict dividing line between the girls and the boys like it is today. But Stars got introduced because it was the natural thing to do. Nijisanji showed there was a demand, and there was no taboo about mixed collabs.
Obviously he was looking for his own Toya, his own Kuzuha. He was looking for the boys SENPAITACHI played with in 2019. And most recently, to find his Luxiem. Failing to achieve so year after year, the community was begging him to give the Stars more support back then. And here we are.

>>52103253
He is a married man, he could careless about women he trained to drain money
he want to lift up the homies

No one favors anyone. Catalog is lying to you to make /stars/ look bad. You're making this post to make stars look bad as well.

>>52103530
holyshit and I thought Luxiem to Noctyx growth was an explosive shit at the time
Didn't knew GEN4 to GEN5 was this big of a leap

>>52103253
Unlike the other fags who are smoking whatever the fuck they're on it's simple. Cover is a company run by japanese jews who wants PROOFITS above everything, stars have always been a branch they've tried everything to make profitable but can't because no one wants to watch them. sunk cost fallacy sinks in so now trough thick or thin they're going to make these boring faggots profitable even if it kills his company, however once an investor is shown the stars performance they'll be voted out of the company. Every investor meeting its always shown how good the girl's perform but one day some oji is gonna be asking too many questions and it's over.

>>52104565
Niiiigga buff.

>>52104519
You’re literally a bunch of ex-nijisisters who moved to Hololive after Milord burned you. However, similar to how Californians move to southeastern states to escape from the shithole they created (only to vote for the same policies that turned their previous state into a shithole in the first place), you want mandated homocollabs and mass produced homogens to “own the chuds”.

every company entering the mainstream needs to have even distribution of gender ratios for their companies or face backlash

>>52104447
Accurate.

TL;DR: Homos are vital to expand the market and thus make more profit.

>>52104742
Not Hololive. But the homos are here to stay anyway. Even ignoring FBK, Suisei, and Azki, etc., protest quitting should anything happen to them unfairly, Sora will forever be their shield as daisenpai anyway.

>>52103253
Give it a rest, Nijisister.

He's a misogynist(based)

>>52104742
it's year 5 of homos, they've hit rock bottom 2view territory multiple times. Trust the plan brothers soon they'll explode.

>>52104596
It’s actually funny that during interviews he’s been asked about them and his response is I don’t know. There’s a different one not from Yagoo where they attribute recent stream growth to them obvious lie

>>52105065
>where they attribute recent stream growth to them obvious lie
Based illiterate.

>>52104596
>Didn't pay attention to the last investor's meeting
>Probably wasn't even at it
Stop spouting pure bullshit the voices in your head made up for you. Put some money down and come back later.

>>52105760
So true, sister! Our cute boys are here to stay!

>>52105760
a yes a throaway comment saying yes very successful pls dont look kek, get over yourself faggot.

>>52105915
You didn't get shown how the EN Stars beat projections or how there's little audience overlap between the boys and girls meaning the Stars are reaching a whole new set of customers.
But sure keep making shit up because it keeps your waifu pure or whatever.

Another retardcorn seethe thread

>>52105992
Of course sister, cleary they didn't expect a Luxiem, having a whole 3 view branch in less than a year was cleary their expectations

>>52104742
>Homos are vital to expand the market
Except they're not. All the homos are 3views and Yagoo literally had to hide them from investors out of fear he'd be forced to axe them due to them not being profitable enough.

>>52105992
>You didn't get shown how the EN Stars beat projections
I guess when the floor is your ceiling any inch above it is an accomplishment.
>how there's little audience overlap between the boys and girls meaning the Stars are reaching a whole new set of customers.
lol yeah okay that's why they've lost 80% of their starting audience. I'm sure those hecking new consoomers off themselves like you will tranny

>>52106061
Sister, ableism does NOT support the cause.
>>52105992
So if there’s such a little overlap why are they shilled so hard and why were the company wide overlap bans a thing?

POPULAR
DEMAND

>>52106365
holy shit

>>52103253
They're profitable. So, it is low effort to keep doing it. It also gives him better coverage for female fans. A bit of copying niji. Cover consistently tries to branch out to spread their risk. Males, gacha game, studio to rent, en and id, etc.

>>52106185
>lol yeah okay that's why they've lost 80% of their starting audience.
Oh no no brothers don't look at holoEN debut CCV vs now...

>>52104447
I don't think it's possible to astroturf this much of Holo's past. The homobeggar cope is surreal.

>>52106476
Even Kiara is worth 5 vespers, nijisister.

>>52106233
Don't ever reply to me again subhuman

>>52106471
Yes, they're so profitable Yagoo had to hide how profitable they are, amirite sister?

>>52106365
>that drop
Top fucking kek. Over 110,000 people just went "nah fuck that" and returned when the girls came back on. How can one see this and think "Look at that! Almost 7,000! Let's invest more into the bois guys!". They got a gold mine but would rather waste their time, resources and money on something that will never be remotely as popular or profitable as the girls. Madness.

>>52107520
>time, resources and money
don't forget reputation. for a company so fucking anal about 'brand risks' they sure know how to fuck up their fan's goodwill

>>52107244
so they're not as profitable as the girls, and? there's a difference between hiding and just not highlighting. that investor doc highlighted gura and kobo.. how honest is that?

>>52103253
I've been a JP starsfag since 2020 despite getting to know Hololive first. I was convinced the stars would get their break-out moment at any time and decided to have them as my oshi group even though I'm a straight guy and their main target shouldn't be people like me at all. The idea of guys eventually finding their place in the world and being one of the first to support them sounded appealing.

The magic has fallen off since then though. I used to watch them and think they were genuinely having fun and being bros, now I can't help but think they got bored / burned out and are acting to make it look like everything is still fine. I've also felt a pretty dramatic shift from them trying to be entertaining to trying to pander to yumes/fujos at the detriment of stream quality. At this point guys like me who wanted to see them improve aren't who they appeal to anymore, and I don't want to drag them down by being a bitter oldfag so it's better to just leave them do their own thing

And the worst part is that I still believe they could have made it. I genuinely think that the average singing level of Holostars was higher than Hololive's in 2020. But it's not the case anymore because holos have kept trying to improve while the stars have stagnated. If Yagoo feels the same way as I do (granted a lot of it is projection) then I can understand why he wanted to give them opportunities

You're taking care of two plants. One just needs water every once in awhile and does really well, won't stop growing. The other is sickly and needs constant attention or it will die. Which one do you spend more time on?

>>52109895
>and?
So the amount of time, money and resources they pour into them clearly aren't worth it. They aren't inclining. They aren't becoming more popular no matter how hard they shill and push them. They aren't profitable. They're not worth it.
>there's a difference between hiding and just not highlighting.
Mental gymnastics cope. They're hiding them because it would look bad. Plain and simple.
>that investor doc highlighted gura and kobo.. how honest is that?
More honest than what they're doing with the homos. Gura may not stream but she's at least profitable as she pulls in obscene amounts of money (which they then waste on the homos) simply being a mascot and with how popular she is. Kobo also pulls in money. You're trying too hard, sister.

>>52104519
>time between debut and redesign
>irys: 2 years
>vesper: 11 months
tempus gets super favorable treatment compared to the girls and you know it

>>52107520
Why do you numberfags think # = money? tempus brings in more money than their Jp senpais. Shinri the 3 view you seeth over made more money on his birthday than youll ever make living in the shack in the 3rd world. They’re doing better than your no-streaming whores. You niggas clearly bored since theres nothing to watch making bait post daily.

>>52112736
your favorite holo is funding stars.. seeethe

>>52106365
QRD? what stream was this for? i assume it's some sort of hololive event and the drop happened when holostars showed up, but i wanna know which stream this was

>>52112858
nigga 440k yen is like 3000 bucks and he keeps like a third of that thanks to youtube, cover and taxes, for a birthday stream that's fucking pathetic

>>52112907
>no counterargument
I accept your concession.

>>52112958
Uproar 3D debuts. Around the time Cover introduced a new rule to avoid overlaps during 3D debuts. This was the result. 100k viewers just disappearing into thin air.

>>52103253
He's jealous of Nijisanji's successful male vtubers. He thought it would be easy and it's not so he keeps doing the same thing over and over again hoping for better results. While ignoring niji has no women who compare to hololive.

>>52112858
Holy seethe sister!
>Shinri the 3 view you seeth over made more money on his birthday than youll ever make living in the shack in the 3rd world
>projecting this much
I understand that you want to convince yourself that the homos make more money than the girls, but they simply don't. One set of merch for the girls makes 100x as much as that puny amount.
>They’re doing better than your no-streaming whores
My oshi is JP and she streams pretty much every day so...seethe more, I suppose?
>You niggas clearly bored since theres nothing to watch making bait post daily.
See above. You just don't like hearing the truth. Seethe about it.

>>52113817
seeethe.

>>52114231
Project more.

>>52114130
>100x
more like 1000x

>>52103253
My rrats are simple.
>Japanese stubbornness
He has the idea that if he tries harder and harder it'll eventually work out. It's a racial feature built into them.
>sunk cost fallacy
Kind related to the above. They wasted so much money and effort into maletubers that he feels that they simply must succeed and that all it takes is just a single additional push, and that "additional" push gradually morphed into more and more futile attempts.
>being out of touch
HoloEN was allowed to mutate into an unholy abomination of chuubas who rejected the CGDCT concept and as a consequence lost their luster and their appeal. Maletubers are just a natural extension of that. Completely unwanted, but forced upon us because he listened to false rrats and the twitter crowd.
>latent homosexuality
Self explanatory.

>>52103253
Just read his name backwards

>>52112958
Don't remember what stream it was but the graph speaks for itself. Over 110k people just tuned out the moment Stars appeared and then tuned back in when they were gone.

>>52112852
The EN girls have no spine and suck at arguing with management to get what they want.Vesper probably just threatened to quit if he didn't get a redesign and they granted it to him.

>>52104349
Did JP homos shit the bed? I only know Roberu, and he seems like an alright guy. Idk about being idol though.

>>52114130
Never said they make more money than the whores, because that’s what whores do. Stated they make money compared their Jp senpais, but your read comprehension is SEAfag lvl. Why do you care about EN when you’re a jpfag? Im glad yagoo is funnels hololive en and jap money in the boys to make (You) seethe, they’re yahoo!’s favs.

It's always funny how anons bring up "hiding homos from investors" when the entire investor report was strictly about Hololive.
Not Holostars, Not Hololive Productions, but just Hololive.
Of course homos won't be brought up on the Hololive report.

It’s his own personal pet project, it doesn’t need to be profitable if it’s a hobby

>>52115728
What are you on? They’re mentioned on pg 4-5 in the 2023 report. If they were being “hidden” they’re doing a poor time. This hidden from investor rrat is cringe.

>>52104447
if Holo had followed Niji they would have died like Niji. It was around gen 3 that Hololive actually start telling the talents they are idols, the old male-female collabs you homobeggars keep bringing up were before the idol direction. Holostars were introduced as MALE IDOLS, it wasn't to mirror Nijisanji, in hindsight it was better for them to follow Nijisanji, as there were no demand for male idols, it took Hololive becoming popular and oversea fans trinkle down for the Stars to have at least some numbers.
Tempus was Yagoo's attempt at his own Luxiem, but Uproar was the most stupid business decision he ever made.

>>52115704
>Stated they make money compared their Jp senpais
That's not really an achievement.

>>52103376
starting a company so he can find guys to play with is one way to do it

>>52115704
>SEAfag lvl
>yagoo is funnels
>they're yahoo!'s favs
ironic

>>52112858
>only making 440k yen on your birthday
pathetic

>>52115340
They were on different channels. It's not good, but it's not like Stars suddenly appeared and everyone just closed the tab.

>>52103253
>No shitposting
>When OP is a shitpost

>>52115728
>>52116306
Check the report. It was for Cover as a whole and it included homos in the data. People say that they were hiding them because pretty much every promotional image and achievement highlighted just the girls. EVEN Kobo got some wanking for being the biggest ID Vtuber with 2M subs. Homos got jackshit.

>>52115704
>JP senpais
Yes, JP senpais. The JP girls are their senpai too, you colossal retard. Not my fault you were too retarded to specify you only meant homos and got destroyed. Better luck next time I suppose.

>>52112852
>>irys: 2 years
>hasn't even existed for 2 years
Why do irystoshats always lie?

>>52115704
jp homosh*rts are also failures who should have been fired years ago

>>52115728
It is report about Hololive Production retard.

>>52116848
Now post her first birthday

>>52106577

>>52103253
It'd be kinda obvious that his goal is to try to have both hugely popular girls as well as hugely popular guys like Niji and he thinks he's losing market share to them for the female fujo viewer demographic.

He thinks he can have his cake and eat it too basically, a "why not both" kind of approach and this is reflected in how holoJP mostly doesn't acknowledge or interact with Stars and he's fine with that because he'll go with whatever road keeps most of the fans of the girls on board while also growing the audience for fans of the guys - if he can. EN management doesn't understand this tactic and seemed to encourage blending them together to literally try to be nijisanji but whatever.

As to why Yagoo wants a huge female viewership so fucking bad, he must think it's pure win-win as long as it doesn't cost him the audience who likes the girls - more income from increased net viewership and also higher stock price because investors think Holo is more properly-competitive with Anycolor. That's the other think, Anycolor financially performs very well despite being a spam of hundreds of lower quality shitters led by a few brand-name stars like Kuzuha - investors like it and probably think it's more balanced that way vs Hololive relying 99% on cute girl's content still. Investors go "nijisanji has both cute girls AND guys though!" etc.

>>52120112
Okay. This was when she had a lizard model as well.

>>52115704
NTA but
>Never said they make more money than the whores, because that’s what whores do. Stated they make money compared their Jp senpais
everyone in hololive/holostars are their senpais not just the homos you retard.
pretty funny that you're desperate enough to pretty much shit on the JP homos in a pathetic attempt to prop up your EN homos though, and it's even funnier that you pretend outdoing the JP homostars is some kind of achievement when they're bottom of the barrel kek
>but your read comprehension is SEAfag lvl.
and your English is SEAfag lvl so stop projecting.
>Why do you care about EN when you’re a jpfag?
why wouldn't they? what kind of mental gymnastics is this sister? pathetic
>Im glad yagoo is funnels hololive en and jap money in the boys, they’re yahoo!’s favs
speaking of SEAfag lvl English
>to make (You) seethe
the only one seething here is (You) because you can't handle the truth, your pathetic homos will never be relevant or outdo the girls in the long run

>>52103253
holostars dont have maternity leave

>>52106518
retard

>>52104676
I watch Stars and have never watched a second of Nijimales

Its because of the patriarchy

>>52104676
This is true. I'm a Nijisister and that is exactly what I want.

>>52120550
Thank you for owning that homoshill subhuman copelord.

>>52116880
>Different channels
That's pretty much just as bad then if a stream was stopped for them only for them to get sub 7k people watching them.

>>52120550
Damn, you can't just commit murder in broad daylight anon.

>>52103253
Men are better entertainers. Unfortunately all the boys are whores though and just care about fucking the holo girls

>>52103253
Bear in mind that Sora's and therefore Hololive's first stream only had ~13 viewers, and it took several years, several talents, several tweaks to each talents' livestreaming formula (e.g. most early gens never played games), and a couple of strokes of luck for Hololive to take off as it did.
Holostars might be a similar thing where with enough time and effort it might get more popular as well.

>>52121937
Early Hololive was inclining.
Homosh*rts are reclining

>>52121937
Yeah males are on the way up. Maybe not atm but in like 2065, oh boy just you wait...

>>52115423
>The EN girls have no spine and suck at arguing with management to get what they want. Vesper probably just threatened to quit if he didn't get a redesign and they granted it to him.
The no overlap rule for Uproar 3D debuts and Tempus setting records for the fastest non-political redesigns. I am skeptical the hololive talents that get 2 or 3 month radio silent breaks have never gotten into a fight with management. The obvious answer for why holostars get preferential treatment is because Yagoo is on their side which is why Cover goes the extra mile to support them.

>>52103253
He wanted bros to hangout with, that's literally it. Maybe, he wanted to kill some of the social stigma too.

>>52121937
>Holostars might be a similar thing where with enough time and effort it might get more popular as well.
I wouldn't count on it. It's been a long time now and even with all manner of shilling from the company nothing is really changing for the homos.

>>52104447
It wasn't natural. He started Stars with his own money and was their sole manager in the beginning. It was a passion project of his, that no investor wanted to be a part of.

>>52123215
>The obvious answer for why holostars get preferential treatment is because Yagoo is on their side which is why Cover goes the extra mile to support them.
This pretty much sums it up.

>>52112852
i don't care for homos, but IRyS's redesign took so long because of factors external to hololive

>>52123408
Well yeah because most of that shilling is towards fans of the girls many of whom have made it clear they're unwilling to give males a chance. Not much has been done to spread the word outside the Holo environment

>>52123823
>Well yeah because most of that shilling is towards fans of the girls
Which makes it even funnier when they desperately retweet homo stuff thinking that those who watch the girls will watch the homos.
>Not much has been done to spread the word outside the Holo environment
There aren't really any places left to "spread the word". Everyone who are into vtubers already know about them. They got some sloppy seconds from Luxiem when they fell off I guess. There isn't really any way for them to grow. Which is why it's almost sad to see them try so hard to shill them, to the point of sometimes neglecting the girls, and it just does nothing for them.

>>52124413
>Everyone who are into vtubers already know about them
That isn't true. The world is huge and people are constantly discovering new things, both newfags to the community and oldfags. That's why HoloJP, who should be "known by everyone" because of how big they are, are still continuing to grow.

>>52103253
He has always wanted to copy nijisanji. You can look it up or something, but yagoo said during an interview that he regrets having males and females separate. He was just another guy riding the vtuber wave and wanted to emulate nijisanji, but when the holo girls got famous then the whole soft "idol" theme started. Obviously because of money

As to WHY he keeps sinking time, manpower and money into male streamers? I dunno. Far as I know starsJP were his project but I don't think he talks to them much nowadays and I'm sure he only allowed starsEN to exist so management could at least try to replicate nijisanji by having them work together with the girls a lot since they're both a side branch. Amd it kinda worked. People go nuts over the kronii+mori monthly double date streams and it has brought in a lot of tourists to pump their numbers which is what Cover wants. They wouldn't dare try that with their normal JP hololive branch, of course.

Because he's not a pathetic retard who hates his own gender like you coomers. Half of you would kill your own sons just to simp for your anime whores.

The only example of preferential treatment I've seen given in this thread is Vesper getting his outfit before IRys did. Is there anything else that's actually a substantial reason to think this way? It's probably no use asking since I know i won't get a sincere, non-misleading answer here.

>>52126278
That's not even a good example of preferential treatment since Cover is all over the place with redesigns: Nene took 5 months after debut, Flare took 2 years and 4 months, IRyS took 1 year and 4 months, Aruran took 3 years and 1 month, Vesper took 11 months, Fubuki took 5 years. If anything, this tells us special treatment comes by language, not by gender.

>>52125946
>sister pretending they are any different

>>52125060
And yet the homos aren't. Says all that needs to be said really.

>>52127706
And neither are the EN and ID whores, even after piggybacking off JP's success. Sad.

>>52125946
>>52128721
It's pathetic how bad you nijiniggers (aka starstroons) are bad at disguising yourselves.

>>52128721
Still more successful than your homos will ever be. Sad. Cry and seethe about it.

>>52128817
It's funny how easy it is to tell which ones are the sloppy seconds of Luxiem.

>>52128817
>>52129254
I'm only pointing out the truth. JP is inclining, everyone else is reclining. Not sure why you're so upset over numbers considering you wanted to bring them up.

>>52106518
You're right, Hololive started in 2020 and was founded by based Coco who said "I hate all homo male faggots!" and didn't let anyone ever collab with men but then the chink Yagoo started a harassment campaign against her to take over the company and introduce homos

>>52128721
>says this after homos, particularly en homos, fail to grow at all even after piggybacking off the entire Hololive brand with hololive production and constantly being shilled
just stop embarrassing yourself sister

>>52129662
>constantly being shilled
If you knew what a vtuber was during Myth's first year, you'd know what actual constant shilling looks like.

>>52129567
Got any proof of this recline? Not saying you're lying, just that seeing it in the form of an image would help.

>>52129925
>trying this hard to make it seem like they're not constantly shilled when they tweeted about and retweeted hakka's birthday 7+ times
>meanwhile not a single tweet or retweet about ina's new outfit until after the fact
the only one who doesn't know what constant shilling looks like here is you
i knew sisters were disingenuous cunts but holy shit

>>52129662
>>says this after homos, particularly en homos, fail to grow at all even after piggybacking off the entire Hololive brand
You mean a brand that doesn't care for males? Obviously they'd recline. What's EN's excuse, sis?
>>52130006
I've got think one on hand. There was a different one that included all of Hololive floating around a month or two ago

>>52130509
Thanks.
>vox
Holy shit. Looks like just a general recline all around and a loss of interest in the EN sphere.

>>52130602
Based on the graph that I mentioned, it's like a loss of interest of anything that isn't HoloJP. For some reason, this bothers the other anon quite a lot.

>>52129567
JP Homos are reclining.

>>52103253
cuz he's the CEO and they need the most help if they're ever going to be a success? retard

>>52103530
Ayame. Jesus, that model really is a winner.

>>52130906
JP Whoros, anon.

>>52130951
ableism is not supporting the cause, sister.

>>52104349
What’s the big tempus drama besides them existing?

>>52103253
Cover isn't Nijisanji. That's the real answer. They aren't turbo jews who need everyone to make a million every year. As long as they turn a profit (even a small profit) and can consistently stream (the boys are actually better at this on average) they are "in the green".

>>52121937
People are making fun of (You) but you are right. Between Sora, Suisei, etc, Cover Corp seems to think that it's better to stick around for the long haul and not cut anyone loose because the chuuba could be a late bloomer. This is why Stars are getting budget cuts and not just getting fired, in the big picture the budget cuts are the good ending for them.

does anyone know how much it costs to debut a hololive/stars vtuber (im not asking this rhetorically)? i imagine its iphone(facial tracking), useable pc, design+2ddesign+rig, emotes+assets, and then what? bettel made almost 30k in a month, im sure they break-even pretty easily no? what do they cost afterward? manager+...?

>>52132435
Vesper's suspension is the only """""big""""" drama, which of course is nothing compared to Rushia or getting an entire branch nuked out of existence. That's inconvenient though, so that part gets glossed over in favor of the Tempiss Le Drama Magnet fiction.

>>52132435
Vesper suspension, that's literally it

>>52103253
Same reason you will give your below average intelligence kid far more support than your genius level kid, the genius doesnt need it, he will do fine on his own, its the dumbass one that needs help.

>>52132743
there are a lot of holos I would describe as "late bloomers" so that checks out,

>>52131118
The girls are inclining the homosh*rts are reclining.
Aruran can't even get 100 viewers anymore. Serves that piece of shit right

>>52104596
> Investing in Holostar will kill the company!
>Cover just built the biggest studio of its kind in Japan
Anon, look at reality.

>>52133106
Aruran is a unique case because he fucked himself over of his own free will, that doesn't really reflect on the others

>>52133244
The others are all failures as well. Isn't Roberu starving again because he can't afford food yet again?
That piece of shit should just graduate.

It sucks because no one /here/ will ever give good answers to this question. People who hate them will make up shit to make them look as doomed as possible and people who are their fans will pretend that everything is perfectly ok. You would have to actually be in the company to get the real answer.

>>52133365
Seethe kek

>>52133106
>the girls are inclining
re >>52130509
>Aruran can't even get 100 viewers anymore
tard

>>52132786
Impossible to say. Without having access to Cover's contracts, we can't be certain what equipment (if any) is provided for specific talents, or what talents do and don't have to pay for. Even the cost of a design/rig isn't certain, because Cover is being charged enterprise rates so they could be charged way above (or way below) market prices.
However, they're almost certainly profitable. There's basically zero upkeep cost post-debut, since managers serve multiple talents and even multiple gens. Even being a 3view is enough for many people to afford streaming as a full-time job.

>>52133485
/thread

>>52133485
Hey I gave a good answer with data here >>52127202 it's not my fault it was ignored because it ruins the rrats

>>52103253
yagoo and co obviously think it's worth it, probably because the homos could be late bloomers. though, even if they achieved a long stretch with an average 10k ccv per stream, they'd still be shat on. no one actually cares about the numbers as much as they do the fact that they are homos. that's why any hurdle to overcome their sheer lack of relevancy and popularity is near impossible

>>52133227
>>Cover just built the biggest studio of its kind in Japan
with borrowed money from investors none the wiser, retard.

>>52127202
Nene got a political redesign because of the flag incidient which resulted in the holoCN branch getting closed down. When you exclude the political redesign it was incredibly quick for Tempus to get a 2.0 redesign in less than a year. That reminds me of the stealth redesign with Astel since that was the first time a talent got a redesign for his 3D model with the 2D model getting updated later.

>>52132786
The model+rigging is in the thousands safely and the phone is likely a couple hundred. Predebut those are the only costs that we know of the company makes. Cover doesn't pay for a pc, they only lend existing equipment if you're going to Japan like in Axel's case. After that, there's merch, outfits, 3D, and the talent and manager's salaries. There's a high initial cost, and very low upkeep. Unless a talent is a catastrophic failure or pulls an Aloe, even the worst performing talents will bring in money.

>>52134518
At a glance, it does seem like Vesper got his quickly, but when you remember IRyS getting a redesign into a new outfit into a 3D model, they're pretty comparable. As for Astel, I forgot about him. His was a year and 8 months.

>>52134543
Even fucking Ayna makes profit there is no way they would fire talents for nothing other than their current numbers, that's a net loss and makes the company look like a black company to everyone who isn't on /#/. They are doing what makes sense, which is cutting the funding and tell them to get their numbers up in order to have the money to do more.

>>52133552
The EN girls are reclining, the JP girls are inclining. All of the Homos are reclining hard.
Oh wow he struggles to get 400 viewers, you really showed me. Homos are approaching 774 and noripro numbers

>>52135851
Homos have shit tier numbers even by 774 standards. They are approaching 2023.Live numbers

>>52135851
>This anon can't tell the difference between 100 and 400
Get off of /#/

>>52134050
>borrowed money
You mean investment? By investors? Retard.

>>52136071
literally what an investment is, dipshit.

>>52136070
He is still an abject failure and a general piece of shit who tries to leech of Flare.

>>52135851
>>the girls are inclining
>btfo
>>Aruran can't even get 100 viewers anymore
>btfo
Anon you could've saved yourself time you took to type all that by just admitting that I'm right and you're wrong

>>52135851
anon since you seem to have a hateboner for aruran i did his averages for may last year and may this year. i hate to break it to you, but he had a 9.47% incline. without the raids. oof

>>52138508
So he gained 40 viewers? Big deal, he is still a failure and an embarrassment to Lack.
Lack will NEVER give him a good outfit meanwhile Lack gives Flare and Lain the best outfits in the industry because they are successful.

>>52139699
nta but anon you wouldn't care if the homos had a 15k ccv average, you just don't like that they are male talents in hololive productions. doesn't matter the goalpost, they could be the most successful and you wouldn't like them because you have different preferences which is fine

>>52139699
I kinda feel bad for you, anon. No matter the claim you pull out of your ass, you always manage to get btfo

>>52140347
No I just hate the Homosh*rts. I am fine with male members of Nijisanji, I actually watch Yashiro and Kanda, I don't have a problem with male vtubers as long as they don't pander to women.

>>52141029
>as long as they don't pander to women
give an example? if it's something like BFE then i don't see how that's different to female vtubers providing GFE. it's not my thing either though

>>52103253
>top streamers are males
>top vtubers on niji, the biggest agency in japan are males
it's only natural for YAGOO to want his males to succeed. idol shit is not it for males though.

>>52103253
>ctrl+f bros before hos
>zero results

166 replies when the answer was just those three words.

>>52141029
>I don't have a problem with male vtubers as long as they don't pander to women.

So... Holostars?

>>52126278
Vesper is getting an entirely new mama because his old one got sick, so this isn't even a case of the talent requesting it it seems.

>>52133587
>>52132786
>$10k on model (artist/rigger is also on call)
>$500-1k on iPhone don’t know the model
>$5-10k on Advertising only they get that
>$40k minimum on managers (a little over minimum wage)
>Auditions
>Animations
This is only the basics. The girls have personal managers, managers for sponsors, music, the guy for games and the head manager. Don’t know how much staff their branch has for menial shit. HR and Legal whether it’s a full team or just 1 person for their branch.

Cover only gets 35% of SC, their channels are worth nothing and as far as merch goes they get limited amounts like ID. They’re even being forced to go down the route of cheaper merch. For perspective Kronii’s merch, made to order, had to be extended for not reaching a certain amount and no it wasn’t extended for selling too much as Gura’s birthday broke a company record with no extension. It did lead to a push towards plushies though. So no they aren’t profitable for the company it’s impossible but they do bring home decent enough cash.

>>52146169
The guy's so retarded he HAS to be a parody
>likes vtubers who don't pander to women
>such as dildosanji

>>52104519
With males, never trust catalog.

>>52103253
Yagoo knows what he's doing. Just waiting for NijiEN's inevitable fall. More views to HoloStars means fewer views to NijiEN.

>>52111893
Blame the retardcorns. And those matomes for ever hosting their intrusive thoughts which then the bois inevitably read when they egosa

>>52116880
Like they wish all Hologirls do when the collab part came up lmao.

>>52123215
I'm also holding a rrat that there are unicorns in at least JP management and may be sending EN-literate people in boards such as vt to stoke anti-male sentiment across the world.

Whether Yagoo is aware, your is good as mine. I'd say he sorta is, he's just determining the who, what, where, when and why.

>>52133365
2 more weeks and they'll all die right?
2 more weeks and they'll no longer "infest vtubing" right?
2 more weeks and the industry is pure again, right?


Yall hopeless?

Yes, I'm using y'all. Seethe. Dont bother with the You if its gonna be just you mocking my use of yall.

>>52141029
>watch Nijimales

Bullshit. For all I know, you could be on some Kawaii or Idol or whatever shit.

>>52147301
This but unironically. It's a loss leader to attack your main competitor's market share.

I'll give you the only real answer.
Traditionally japanese comedians have always been men. As of right now the only big comedian woman in Japan is unironically a troon (but they don't call it that).
Idols have mainly been girls, but kpop has changed the meta, and now the market for male idols is nearly just as large. (You could make an argument for Johnny's being a traditional male competitor in the idol industry, but it's 1 Johnny's vs like 60 akiba46 nogizaka46 nagahama38 blah blah blah girl groups. Overall the market has always been girl idols)
Vtubers have turned out to be an interesting mix, there's idol-heavy chuubas like suisei, and jikkyo-type (comedy, kinda) like pekora. Then there's a new archetype which is successful in both, like marine.
So we know now that all types can work, and that's important, because traditionally japanese viewership of comedy shows/talk shows has always been male-centric. I literally cannot think of a single comedy duo in Japan that's two girls. There's one with an ugly girl who plays imouto (1guy 1girl), but other than that it's all Mano y Mano.
So how is this relevant? Well if we assume the values of Japan don't change, the comedy-type content is bound to be male-centric as well, it's just a matter of time and marketing. Or so yagoo (and probably most japanese people) thinks.
I think that the younger generation requires female comedians, because they've become what we call 'soushokukei', essentially weak, low-test. This means they actually feel threatened/annoyed by contemporary male talent, and prefer to watch girls. The opposite is happening with girls, who have become more nikushokukei, and thus are finding the girls very cute (think matsuri fangirling over holomem).
We are in a time where women have started to dominate content, aside from the hard opponents of girly content, that are essentially just incels in their edgy phase (think Andrew Tate), or the watered down girly content which is just girly-boys doing girly things (kpop boys).
Femininity is in. This is the zeitgeist, and though traditionally men have dominated the comedy-type entertainment industry in jp, I think yagoos bet won't pay off.

>>52149394
So ... How's EN play into this? Because as we see Male Vtuber in EN doesn't doing so hot either

>>52149075
Yep, same with pushing out ID4. It's a monopoly for that market. Later we will marvel at how Hololive does the same for the Western male market. Only the dying NijiEN stands in the way.

>>52149713
Honestly I have no clue what the EN market is like, so I can't comment. I imagine it's not doing hot because EN in general isn't doing hot(expecting western people to act like anime girls/boys will only disappoint you, jp has tatemae/honne built into their culture and even language so keeping a mask up is like second nature, westerners always aim to take off the mask as much as possible, feeling it's 'restricting'), but who knows.

>>52104447
Japanese culture is too complex for foreigners to understand but the rules were always there they were just not explicit.
Idols can interact with men but only within some contexts. Even now they still have some interactions but they are limited.
Hololive and Holostars were always separate, Hololive never interacted with men the same way they interacted with other women, the line was always there.

>>52111893
It sucks when they’re always being compared to the literal top of vtubing. I always got the vibe that they stopped trying too. I was a big fan of Aruran but eventually stopped watching and the new model makes it hard to go back to watching him.

>>52149394
Tell that to yagoo for not debuting any girls in 2022 and tryna ruin its internal culture for the sake of boys. No girls means no new participations or interactions in events like holoMC, Mk8 tourney and other events. People aren't gonna watch the same thing every year with the same girls, not to mention, some of the girls might graduate. What had uproar done? they're all contributing nothing. They should've kept sticking to 1 gen debut for every branch every year.

>>52103253
Most people watch VTubers for cute girls doing cute things. But everyone knows that, if you want something done right, you have to have a man do it. So it only makes sense to favor the men in the VTuber scene, since women are objectively less smart, less funny, less relatable. 5head Yagoo.

>>52152495
Then what about a man who turns into a woman?

>>52152246
why is the girls being stale blamed on yagoo? shouldnt that be the streamers only job? to be entertaining? idk how to feel about a group debuting every single year and everyone expecting eternal growth. id rather they find creative new things for the girls to do then keep debuting and basically become niji2 no? especially when we are gonna have huge events now like probably another gigantic concert next year. imagine that concert but with 15 more girls like at some point the corp becomes too big me thinks

>>52153013
>Stale
They already proved themselves to have better numbers than the previous year without another gen. Another gen would make things new and more fun for the girls again. Adding male gens didn't do shit for Stars themselves. They're still stagnating and are 3 views so there was literally no point on their venture/investment when a new female gen proves to be better.

>>52150348
Did you ever watch FOXDEMON? The only line was that they didn't go to Disneyland together.

>>52103253
Sora's origin story is actually Yagoo. Yagoo didn't make the audition to be in a boy group, so once got successful enough, he started his own.

>>52153798
are we going to be stuck in this same argument forever? group debuts -> shrinks obviously because of novelty wearing off -> "omg they are failing! debut another group!" -> loops. while this worked for nijisanji, its clear hololive wants to hold irl event for them and i worry what will happen when they have way too many members. the concert that just happened felt more than enough no? also vanguard is proof that breakouts happen. i thiiiiink the name is otaku dictionary but a youtube channel that ranks superchats shows bettel making like average 23k a month. obviously pales to the girls but is leagues above other boys. isnt that the imaginary argument people were laughing at yagoo having? it worked! instead of more girls why not more creative content? more debuts and these new members playing the same exact games can only work so many times more. sorry if this doesnt make sense i dont know how to resize the reply window and cant proofread

>>52150446
Aruran's case is really sad honestly. I think Miyabi's words on the subjects sum up the problem well
>I have this worry that people will forget about me, so I have to stream. Aru-san feels the same way, it's a bit like working at a job and putting in hours

Aruran doesn't act like he streams because the games he plays interest him, but rather he looks at his schedule and searches for things to fill it up with. The thing about streams though is that people will go watch something else when they're not having fun, and that's really the case of Aruran's streams because he just sounds tired most of time

And that's a shame, because I can still feel the passion in them when tuning in, but they've never figured how to turn that into fun streams. Or they have, but avoid doing it because they don't think that's the way idols should be acting. I really wanted to support the stars, I even skipped watching Hololive streams that really interested me to give priority to a stars instead, except that a lot of them just copy the content of the girls without understanding the charms of the original streams

>>52149394
So my and Im sure many others' suspicion about all this male chuuba seethe is confirmed...the audience of today doesnt like being showed up. Audiences of yesterday would build aspirations to /become/ them instead.

>>52103253
You ever feel like you're the boss of an all-girl group and there's some fucked up minority of fans thinking you probably molest them behind the scenes just so they can keep their job?
Yeah. Holostars was the reason people don't look at him like the NTR Japanese salaryman from a hentai.

>>52160435
The girls still end up having to service rich oji-sans during shareholder meetings, so what's the point?

>>52160677
Better them than him. It's more scandalous if it's the CEO

>>52116848
Sauce on the artist for the third thumbnail?

>>52161703
look it up yourself faggot. Says the stream started 4.1.2023 look the vod up and the thumbnails will say in big letters サムネイラスト: ささき様 didn't take me 4 mins. https://twitter.com/glass1138/status/1626771569153540096

>>52160129
>Audiences of yesterday would build aspirations to /become/ them instead.
That's at least how I look at them. I would really like to join them in the future.

>>52103253
I don't care. Yagoo can debut 3 more homo gens in a row for all I care. All I know is that he cares about his employees, and that gives me confidence that everything will be alright in the end- yes, even for the girls. Nothing ever goes right when you let investors take the helm.
lots of assholes ITT dont realize how rare good-hearted CEOs are especially in entertainment companies, so they dont cherish them. I took one for granted before, I wont make the same mistake again.

>>52123215
Yagoo went harder on giving Holostars preferential treatment after seeing how ID3 completely overshadowed Uproar, despite Uproar getting revealed in HoloFes

>>52104178
This.

>>52104519
No streaming during homo debuts despite there being no audience overlap

>>52162145
Thanks, didnt know the source was written in the thumbnail i was looking in the description.

>>52162581
... I kinda miss him desu ...

>>52112852
>2 years
why would you post such a blatantly obvious and easily disproven lie, anon
https://www.youtube.com/live/WTU3TIZRUCM?feature=share
https://www.youtube.com/live/eogSzuZ-7gw?feature=share
>time between streams: 16 months and 15 days

>>52146579
And that is an example of preferential treatment how...?

>>52127574
I'm a man. And there aren't nearly as many women shit talking the girls as there are you cucks shitting on the boys. It probably has something to do with men being raised to despise each other but you niggers take it to another level.

>>52164737
Because these people have proven time and time again they will shamelessly lie and mislead in order to defame the guys and accumulate support for their rrats. Too bad none of them are smart enough to actually make a lie that isn't disproven by a 60 second google search.

>>52146579
Didn't the exact same thing happened with Azki, except that her mama just straight up died instead?

>>52162307
Same. If I oshi a Star, I wanna /become/ them. And for that, my choices are Roberu and Oga for JP, and then Regis and Axel for EN.

>>52162581

Those assholes are insecure mfs who feel threatened by their very existence despite never having a chance even a slim one.

I on the other hand know that I am not in any of my oshis' circles, which would inevitably have males in it, and I cant even speak some of my oshi's language.(applies to my JP and ID[sorta]oshis.) DESU, I much rather be a Kay Yu or Besto than be a Star, seeing as piloting one locks on 50 heat-seeker missiles onto (me) and that's being generous.

>>52165783
Wait, isreal?

>>52165699
A lesson I found out firsthand.

Some mf was posting how Pekora immediately switched of Virtual Frontier the moment Roberu's mug showed up. My ever-curious mind marched straight onto the vod and was pleasantly proven False in the most Pekora of ways.

>>52166785
I'm not fucking with you, I swear. The character designer for her second outfit died years ago and that's why she had gotten a redesign at that time
https://twitter.com/bard713/status/1350050291249397762

>>52162581
based satorubro

>>52155113
There is a fucking middle ground between Niji ACCELERATE and HoloEN stuck at 10 members for over 2 years.
JP has 30+ members and they seem to keep growing and doing better than ever. Even when considering that they are all stuck in the same time zone. EN which is meant for a global market struggles to even fill NA prime time. The talents are starting to burn out and they desperately need some replacements. Some Holos literally complain that they don't have enough members to organize fun collabs or tournaments. For fuck sake that Discord leak proved that they even struggle to do sponsorships because of it.
>>52162581
You're absolutely right which is exactly why the real fans try to gatekeep. Dramasanji is the perfect example of that shit failing. And Tempiss so far has done nothing but cause problems to the girls and the company while providing nothing of values. With most of them even crying that they don't get shilled enough.

>>52167991
>Unicucks: "omg tempiss is causing trouble for our heckin girls"
>proceed to send hate to the girls and death threats to the boys for collabing with mutual consent
I think I would be able to understand this mentality if I lost about 40 or so iq points.

>>52169477
Yassss! Get his ass, sister!

>>52166754
So true, sister! Those unichuds need to leave our fanbase asap!

>>52169543
I'm a man. You can keep tribalfagging with your genderwar. Come back when you actually have a valid rebuttal to my points desu.

>>52165602
Us sisters are so much more civilized than those incel chuds!

>>52169650
>irrelevant meme in response to a completely unrelated point
I get it, anon. Reading comprehension is hard.

>>52169602
It's esl hours anon you'll have to forgive them. Third worldies aren't necessarily capable of thoughts more complex than: doesn't shit on tempus = woman.

>>52169477
Yeah I guess unicorns are the reason why Vesper speedran a suspension (something no EN girls ever got) and skipped the collabs with his newly debuted genmates. Or the reason why Axel keeps being retarded and complaining that compared to NijiEN Cover doesn't do enough to promote the fags.
Or maybe I could talk about the fact that beggars are even worse and will keep anting the girls while pushing this narrative about the evil incel unicorns with no proof. Picrel.

>>52170150
>with no proof
You know that's not true. Yeah, the picrel has no proof, but if you pay close attention to Vtubers, you begin to notice that unicorns are the ones sending death threats and hate messages. This applies to BOTH male and female unicorns.

>>52169965
Sister, Milord Regis told us that xenophobia is against the cause.
>>52169602
>>52169706
Sister, it's only been a day and they ran out of their debut buff! You should start watching more clips if you have any hopes for their success.

>>52170150
>speedran his suspension
How? He was actually gone for a little more than the 2 weeks he was suspended for
>skipped the collab with his genmates
I agree that it's unprofessional of him but what would it look like if Cover fired one of their employees for social anxiety?
>axel complaining
Yes, because none of the girls have ever complained about anything in their company whatsoever. And he's not even wrong. Xsoleil debuted at the same time as VG and have already gotten more promo and M&Gs comparatively despite the shitshow.
>collab beggars
Koboniggers have singlehandedly done more begging than any tempus fan since their inception. They also don't give a fuck about containment and shat up Altare's yt comments.
>no proof
This ones a freebie; check Kronii's twitter replies anytime she announces a tempus collab. This is just one example.

>>52170521
I pay very close attention and all I realized is that most beggars are just Twitter troons who are trying to turn this hobby into some political war at the expense of the talents. And most "unicorns" are just normal dudes who want Hololive to provide a certain kind of content and keep their values, just to get called schizo incels by said tourist troons.
The "unicorns" you talk about are mayble less than 0.01% of the fans and I swear to God I never saw one. Meanwhile I have far more proof of beggars being shitheads and doxxing or harassing the girls.

>>52171027
>less than 0.01% of fans
There's nothing I can say to you then if you're just going to pull random numbers out your ass. Have a good day.

>>52170150
>one retard that keeps getting downvoted
He's not even shitting on the girls or anything. This isn't the irrefutable proof you think it is.

>>52171027
>most "unicorns" are just normal dudes who want Hololive to provide a certain kind of content and keep their values, just to get called schizo incels by said tourist troons
You're right, but that's only half the picture
>I swear to God I never saw one
You're missing the other half of the picture, the part where big chunks of the fans go on hate crusades and witch hunts because there was a man's voice in the stream. It doesn't matter if the streamer was GFE and you hear a man, just fuck off instead of acting like the troons.

>>52171027
> And most "unicorns" are just normal dudes who want Hololive to provide a certain kind of content and keep their values
RORU. RUMAO.

>>52171027
>And most "unicorns" are just normal dudes who want Hololive to provide a certain kind of content and keep their values
The fact that you can't even specify WHAT kind of value you want out of them is the proof that the value you seek is either worthless, or actually harmful

>>52171027
Considering amelia, mori and kronii’s drop in viewership after tempus, it’s way more then .01 percent bro, which honestly should be common sense. Vtubers are pretendingn to be super attractive anime girls with fun personalities that are appeal especially to lonely men… it’s definitely way more then .01 percent of people who dislike male collabs and that should be obvious, i feel like you guys are just coping

>>52149394
> The opposite is happening with girls, who have become more nikushokukei, and thus are finding the girls very cute
THat's not necessarily a contemporary thing. In japan especially, cuteness and purity are marketed to women just as much as men which explains why the jp chubas also have relatively larger female audiences. It doesn't have to be of a sexual or romantic nature, they just find cute 2d girls cute.

>We are in a time where women have started to dominate content
Maybe if you're looking at it from a very twitch streamer/vtuber point of view but the biggest juggernauts of online content are still all men. Even on the internet the whole "literally me" meme was a masculine movement at heart and has endured for years. "Masculine" movies still get made and men have and will probably continue to dominate comedy world-wide.

>>52170997
>Koboniggers
Huh?
>Indonesian Altventurer
Here i fixed that for you.
Most of them know Altare from Kobo or clips from their interactions.
Most Kobokerz don't care about him even downright despises him. It's just the retarded underage SEA girls and their K-Poop syndrome which make them keep spamming shits.
The only thing they are useful for is as looping bots for Kobo's orisongs and covers.
Other than that they're the menace of her fandom, they're practically disowned especially Kobalt fangirls

>>52173035
I can assure no absolutely none of them were Altventurers. Most recently when Altare told them to fuck off with the begging they shat up his socials calling him a leech and 3view. And their nationality doesn't matter, these are Kobo's native fans. Both grown ass men and women. Whatever the rest of her fanbase is doing to keep these retards in check clearly isn't working.

>>52173035
>Most Kobokerz don't care about him even downright despises him
Yes that's the problem retard, her 60iq indo-nigger fans are literal locusts and actively shit on him for any given opportunity

>>52167622
Oh.
Rest easy, king/queen.

>>52169543
>>52169588

>chud

Opinion discarded. Oh wait, there's none here lol.

>>52170559
>Milord
>Regis

Retards. Get better material. You cant even get your refs right lmao

>>52173769
If you don't want to claim them then call them Kobaltniggers
>shat up his socials calling him a leech and 3view.
Dunno about this one. The clip blew up on many Indonesian social medias like kikebook and TikTok that even non-kobokerz also know about it. So I'm not surprised at all that he got called a leech

>>52173938
That's just Indonesians in general. Even non-kobokerz also hate him for a political reason. But you keep blaming Kobokerz for shits, so after the clip blew up Kobokerz are not defending Altare from LGBT haters anymore

>>52173035
Those people you're talking about makes up a third of her current viewerbase, they must be doing a really bad job at gatekeeping and disowning them if they somehow grew to that size.

dumb thread

>>52174690
Name? Jk

Hakka huh...

>>52115423
lmao, you think someone who is struggling to maintain 4view status has any bargaining power with cover? maybe if gura or miko threatened to quit they would give a shit but i seriousy doubt vesper has the ability to do that considering the amount of pull he has in the community (next to none)

>>52174653
>"Noooo anon they only make up 0.00000001% of the fanbase bro real hololive fans dont send hate to chuubas bro i swear"

>>52174114
I call him Milord because I love his tentacle rape asmr streams. He also stood in solidarity of LGBTQIA+ folx and supported the cause by not playing that incel chud game that the unichudcels were fuming over their girls not having perms for.

>>52174837
That's literally the opposite of what I said

>>52174957
>catalogue word salad
ESL chama I don't think learning your english from 4chan is a very good idea

>>52174996
Reading comprehension, retard

>>52174957
Your delusions are getting funnier each time, ESL-chama.
Continue skipping out on English lessons.

>>52175072
I was born and raised in Canada, sister.

>>52175072
Might as well be a word cloud at this point.

>>52172579
No what I meant is that the schizos who sent death threats to chuubas are the 0.1%.
There is a vast number of normal dudes who just dislike male collabs and instead of sperging out they'll just stop watching. Which is proved by HoloEN reaching their lowest point ever after the fags debuted.
Of course this goes against the narrative of the mentally ill sisters who again are more interested in btfoing them evil incels instead of supporting their talents.
>>52171152
>>52171381
>>52171423
>>52171513
>>52172529
Seethe. Say what you want but ever since your fags debuted HoloEN is at its absolute worst. Both when it comes to viewership and community drama.

>>52175138
>Canada
Damn, you aren't that one Tennessee retard.
Still there's plenty of ESL's born and raised in Canada so that's not really impressive.

>>52175138
why do you type like a SEAanon then? must be from quebec

>>52175190
Lot of Canadians have worse english than actual ESLs. Look at george saint pierre.

>>52175199
Idgaf about how I write on the internet

>captcha: KKYYY

>>52175189

>>52174837

I can't believe Vesper fucked YAGOOs wife and ONLY got a two week suspension. First he fucked Kronii, then he impregnated Gura so she had to stop streaming and he also did this.
When will they stop this fucking monster?

>>52175282
Please explain because I think you're genuinely retarded and think you have some sort of point.
Kobonigs are annoying the blue homo by asking for collabs right? Here I am talking about the Twitter troon idea of unicorn being a dude who harasses the talents and sends death threats to them for collabing with homos. How are these related?

>>52175596
They're related because both you and the kobonigger above try the same strategy of pulling numbers out of your ass to claim that the proportion of harmful retards in your community are only insignificant. I know it's a difficult point to comprehend for sub80iqs but please don't hurt yourself thinking about it too hard, anon.

>>52175077
Are you replying to the wrong person?

>>52175801
Sure whatever. Keep going on your anti unicorn crusade then.
But if you wanna talk about numbers and raw data keep in mind that your beloved homos are 3views who get regularly mogged by the IDs and even small corpos while HoloEN is at its absolute lowest point ever. Your witch hunt has done nothing but hurt the talents more than any unicorn ever did.

>>52176063
>drops the girls because they willingly participate in male collabs
>"omg look at how much you've hurt them, anon"
You are literal cattle. I accept your concessions.

>>52174653
>makes up a third of her current viewerbase
Source?
>>52175596
>Kobonigs
It's The Kobaltniggers
>>52175801
>pulling numbers out of your ass
Never done this. The one who pull numbers from ass is this anon >>52174653

>>52176185
>girls do content the fans don't like
>fans try to give feedback
>"just don't watch you mentally ill incel schizo unichud!"
>fans stop watching
kek, you're retarded

>>52176548
>>fans try to give feedback
I too give feedback to my oshis by shitting on their twitters and sending threats to their collab partners, anon

Its funny how these threads are just 2 autist fighting eachother.

>>52177235
No, 3

>>52112132
Let the sickly one die and throw it out, and get more of the ones that need less water so I can have even more miracle plants in my house

>>52103253
>favor the stars
would you want him to be constantly in contact with the girls? i know you wont want that