/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

they should also redesign his anxiety

>>51225088
>Vampire
Already a schizo thread. Take your meds.

>>51225088
Give him a Mr. Rogers look, sweater and all

>2.0 faster than IRyS got hers
grim

>>51225088
I mean his design is a straight ripoff of Alucard from Castlevania. I'm surprised he didn't get a redesign sooner. Wonder if he'll get a ponytail or will be more eastern inspired

>>51225088
>They realized he looks too much like Alucard. Why couldn't they get that right the first time? Fire the person approving these commissions

Just hope they don't fuck him over like they did Aruran

>>51226405
He will be sissified and you will like it

>>51225088
If you are teachers in economics at some uni you should follow this shit from very close, it's hard to find exemples that describe sunk cost fallacy as perfectly as than tempiss.

>>51226822
Holy esl preaching about uni when you're an uneducated faggot.

>>51226890
last time I cheked not every uni lectured in english angloid

>>51225088
How long it took for Irys?

>>51227128
From debut to update announcement to 2.0 update debut, around 504 days.

>>51227273
So twice as fast as Irys, there is definetly no favoritism

The girls should mass graduate and go their own way. Have your homos, Yagoo. Hope you choke on them.

>>51227453
irys had design overhaul. meanwhile these tempiss only had eyes moved to inch and more fluid live2d.

>>51227506
>possibly a completely new look
>>51225088

>>51225088
what's it with these no EN holos crying about their designs? IRyS, Magni and Vesper are nowhere near lizard Flare tier.
Kiara and Gura took their terrible designs and rigging and made it their own.

>>51227453
Irys was a lot better than this to begin with

>>51227453
year of the stars

>>51227453
not at all considering irys failed as a vsinger thus wasting all that money they invested to her. meanwhile these fags are given dogshit models and struck gold with the sisters. a previously unmined vein for cover.

>>51227480
And kill their careers? No way in hell would they do that.

>>51227853
>struck gold

>>51227982
>yellow turd

>>51226405
Aruran specifically asked for his fuckboy redesign and regardless of how much random anons who didn't watch the homos liked the old man model he was the least successful homo pre-Uproar so it wasn't that strange for him to want to change his looks. Of course the new model didn't actually help and now instead of having that unique and endearing old man model he looks like a generic guy, but no one screwed him over.

>>51225088
>He won't be ugly anymore
Brotuberfags.....not like this...I can't look at pretty anime boy characters it's gay...

>>51228134
>He won't be ugly anymore
dyrbi

>>51226822
lmao based, cover is like a gamble who keeps losing but they've already spent too much on it already so they keep gambling on the homos

>>51226822
They make a decent amount of money though. Look at the monthly charts and you'll see a fair few of them near the top of the charts, bettel in particular. Their views maybe "indie vtuber with a decent following" tier, aka complete failures to number schizos, but they do make bank through memberships.

>>51225502
Yes, there's no deadbeat vtuber mama and papa who doesn't care about him to delay it and no shitty manager who doesn't care about him to delay it. And?

>>51225502
Honestly I think it has more to do with redjuice being a huge faggot that needed months of negotiations because his original design was completely rejected by the girl using it

>>51225088
what's wrong about his model? I thought it's supposed to be ugly

>>51229861
Because he was never interested in being a yaoi faced vampire, he just took whatever model he was given so he could get into Hololive and YABBA DABBA DOO

>>51229490
IRyS already said that the issue wasn't Redjuice, it was management being completely useless and dragging their feet constantly.

>>51225088
I better see that 2.0 is a bulky beefy vampire

>>51229913
>he just took whatever model he was given
This applies to every vtuber under Cover except for Suisei

>>51229861
its ugly to sisters. its SOVL to everyone else.

>>51229941
Oh, okay. I hope she isn't just covering his ass

>>51230153
>its SOVL to everyone else
By "everyone else" do you mean his 1000 viewers?

>>51230191
nah his 2000 viewers

>>51230191
you say that like having 1k viewers is a bad thing

>>51227853
viewets that dropped because of tempus outnumber tempus viewers 10:1

>>51229456
yeah, and it almost make up a 10th of what they lost from ENgachis

>>51230287
It's definitely not very impressive

>>51230340
Viewers who dropped IRyS because of Tempus? What?

>>51225088
so he's gonna embrace he's inner fag?

They probably realized that having a Castlevania ripoff in a company that can't actually play Castlevania is a dumb idea.

>>51227453
You kinda forgetting that Irys Redesign was delayed multiple time. She said it herself that a lot of stuff behind the scene was dragging out the redesign.
I'm also positive the main reason Vesper is getting a redesign is mainly how much of an ovbvious rip-off it is from Alucard from Castlevania, I don't know what his papa was thinking. That is probably making Cover a bit nervous since Konami is shown not to be one that is shy from to sue anyone if they want to.

>>51230287
People still like to conveniently forget that being over 10 CCV puts you in the top 1%

>>51225088
vesper leaked the new design to me

>>51225351
That's like asking them to redesign irys and her chronic cause of s/u/bhuman.
It's just impossible.

>>51230705
same people sitting in /#/'s all day probably couldnt get 1 ccv to save their lives.

>>51230705
That's technically true because there's a million 12 year old kids who clicked the go live button on their playstation and are streaming Fortnite to 0 viewers but it's like saying that if you earn $1000 per month you're in the top x% of earner because of all the third world mud hut dwellers who don't earn any money - at the end of the day you're still fucking poor.

>>51230340
>ccv cope
bettel took the most superchatted holopro en last month. triple of the second place, it was his birthday month but he also ranked 3rd on march, which is irys and fauna's birthday month, only behind a couple of hundred in usd. tempusfags chat are also 90% green thanks to the sisters. they're most than profitable than you fags think kek.

>>51225088
Wtf. You wouldn't repaint the mona lisa! Leave Vesper alone

>>51230497
What? Didn't my Mori play Bloodstained rather early on?

>>51230463
It is in tempus. Only Magni and Bettel can match Vesper number wise, and both have to cater to fujos. Vesper is for other boomer men

>>51230172
After her manager completely ghosted her for several weeks, I believe it

>>51225088
Take your MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDS

>>51232155
Why were they so shit. Were they only managing her? That sucks.

>>51232155
I can see why the Tempus boys seem to always be on top of their managers now.. Regis straight up has his wrapped around his fingers. Heard too many stories of the girls managers ghosting them.

>>51232280
Then you got Axel doing anything he wants to and with his mane-chan. Lucky, she seems cute

>>51231450
It's always hilarious to me that other people think the boys can't be competitive in bringing in money. Like they believe they're some 2view streaming to their friends, their mods, themselves, and a half dozen bots instead of having actual support from people that find them enjoyable to watch. Antis are so obsessed with throwing numbers around but don't check the numbers that matter.

>>51228134
>he doesn't know

>>51229861
He doesn't like being scrawny. If anything he's more of an Aruran type (old version) rather than an Alucard ripoff.

>>51237326
>necrobumping this shitty thread

>>51237410
>bumping it again

>>51230497
>a company that can't actually play Castlevania
HoloJP can play Konami games.
NijiEN can play Konami games.
Why the fuck can't HoloEN play Konami games?

>>51243220
Because when they made an EN branch, it somehow didn't occur to Cover that Hololive ENGLISH needs permissions for the ENGLISH version of games.

>>51230172
Dude she got her kimono less than 3 months after the redesign. Fucking stop being so focused on him when there's infinite examples of the EN management being absolutely retarded, with the Project:Hope people being almost malicious in how they treat IRyS.

>>51229538
Honestly I think you're a retarded coverdrone. You don't even watch IRyS, stop talking about bullshit you don't know..

>>51232589

>>51225088
But I honestly like his current design :(

>not flinststone themed

why bother?

He deserves it, he takes Vtubing the most serious out of any Hololive talent. Fuck the haters. I knew Vesper before Hololive too, he is cool

>>51230287
there are no male indies that even hold numbers of 1k on stream anymore. Not even that shoto queer , only when he collabs with girls. So he tried to pretend to be queer to pander to that part of streaming, did not really work. Most of the large male vtuber indies are toxic and slip up too much, they are idiots, like Nux for example. Imagine if the nijisanji guys were indys, they would be like 10 to 20 view vtubers. it is not easy for guys

>>51230586
>Irys Redesign was delayed multiple time. She said it herself that a lot of stuff behind the scene was dragging out the redesign.
I don't have the best memory but didn't she pretty much said it was Holo's fault for not talking to redjuice for several moths? I remember watching a clip where she let it out laughing awkwardly.

>the main reason Vesper is getting a redesign is mainly how much of an ovbvious rip-off it is from Alucard from Castlevania.
Known info since day 1. Memes about can be found in /MAG/ general pre-debut lol

>>51246351
>So he tried to pretend to be queer
Shocking. Not surprising he's a twitch Vtuber ofc

I would consider this a blessing, since wasn't Vesper's design part of Omega's lore bullshit? It got canned months back and then Irys/Magni/Vesper are getting redesigns.

>>51247001
>It
dayum nigga thats kinda cold kek

>>51245286

>>51246351
>it is not easy for guys
Just be more entertaining. There are lots of dudes who managed to grow just by being good streamers without having to rely on drama, toxicity or being a manwhore. If male vtubers can't do this and are too tempted by the easy way out then it's more of a problem of them as a person and not because of their gender.

>>51246362
Yes, IRyS almost explicitly said it was management's fault and not redjuice's, and she defended him on multiple occasions. She even got her kimono a few months after the redesign when everyone expected it to only happen in 2024. Now nobody fucking knows why it took a whole year for the redesign to happen when Nene got hers in at most 3 to 4 months since she showed it 5 months after debuting.

>>51232155
>>51232249
>>51232280
I blame it on the fact that IRyS' manager is a literal person of non-binaries.

>>51226822
What about retards still pushing Trickle Down Economics? That policy destroys your economy but it's still being doubled down on for 40 years.

>People acting like Tempus are a failure
>When their worst numbers still completley obliterate every indie
>When they're not only competitive with, but routinely beating NijiEN's males in almost every numbers ranking
OP is a fag that has never watched a stream, opened a thread, or done anything with their life except bait on 4channel.org.

>>51249396
A single EN3 member would do all of this and be much bigger than all of the 8 homos combined, and it's funny that you're comparing them with the same faggots who convinced Cover that debuting a bunch of failures was a good idea because they themselves lost a huge chunk of the popularity they had 1 year ago and nowadays are consistently losing to Council members who I guess "didn't do as good as they expected".

>>51226890
>American talking about education
It's like a blind person describing the colour yellow

>>51246351
>there are no male indies that even hold numbers of 1k on stream anymore. Not even that shoto queer
Lol

>>51225088
Ayo orc bros?

>>51225088
There goes the graduation rrats.
Kek.

>>51225088
Theyre gonna make him young like pizza papa

>>51226822
but enough about ID

>>51229913
>"people" still peddling this meme when he's literally a boy molesting fruit
Deep lore

>>51246351
>Shoto 4.5k
>Aethel 2k
>Kenji 1.5k
>Enviosity 5.6k

>>51225088
give my boi as akchemist-scientist coat so pippa can wet herself withh grampa

>>51225088
He isn't a vampire, he's a blood mage. He has specialised teeth to help him ingest blood and absorbs the life essence for his magic. He primarily uses the life essence to transform into a bat for transport convenience and to increase his brainpower and lifespan. His ears are elongated due to the flow of essence into his brain. His eyes are purple because of a bad reaction to garlic sauce as a child and he doesn't go out into the sun because he prefers to play FTL. Everything can be explained just fine and as you can see he is NOT a vampire.

>>51247741
>If male vtubers can't do this and are too tempted by the easy way out then it's more of a problem of them as a person and not because of their gender.
In their defense, can you really blame them? Most male viewers won't even humor watching male vtubers because: a. they assume male vtubers are always pandering to women or b. can't understand watching a vtuber for reasons other than jerking off. Being the most entertaining person in the world doesn't mean much when men won't click on you to begin with.

Was Nene a 2.0?

>>51255609
Skill issue. Just work harder to make people know you're not a manwhore and have interesting content to bring more viewers to your streams. Mecha flygon plays fighting games which almost no EN member does in any consistent way, but he completely obliterates any potential interest people might have on him with some of the worst game choices known to man for most of his schedule and he only plays fgs on some weekends. A similar thing happens with all the other homos who have some decent qualities bur completely ruin them with garbage streaming content that not even girls want to watch considering their current viewership.

>>51255695
If you consider a complete redesign a 2.0 then yes.

If they really want the fujo/yumejo monies you gotta give him a model with this sorta body type.. Doma from demon slayer is the same and he's super popular with women

>>51259307
this would be pretty based and i'd kneel hard if he got a remake like this

>>51225088
Predictions
>Less Alucardy because they are afraid of copyright issues
>He will actually be uglier

>>51250695
>A single EN3 member would do all of this
No shit Captain Obvious. Everyone would want to suck the toes of anime women.
>Failures
A bunch of failures that stuck around for 5 years is pretty amazing. You don't decide where the company goes unfortunately.

>>51257943
to be fair i don't think anyone in tempus has a reputation for being a "manwhore". they have the reputation of being a group of boys to watch if you are sick of manwhore chuubas.

>>51250695
Not all of your talents are going to be heavy hitters, most of them will do average and a handful will stand out and make tons of money (this is true for the girls and the boys). With Vesper and Bettel it's clear that the investment in Tempus was financially worth it even for just those two. You may not like it but if Cover numberfagged that hard half of Council, several JP girls, and all of HoloID wouldn't be here, because investors don't care about chuuba gender culture wars, just money.

>>51259782
We can only hope they have some idea of what they're going for
>>51259887
If he's a little uglier but in a more scruffy way I'd be fine with it, I know they're kinda locked in with the necromancer gimmick but maybe they could lean more into the undead aspects and have him conduct occult human experiments or some shit.. Although that's probably too edgy

>>51260125
you would have to be an inbred retard to say to investors that bettel should have to leave but mel and anya should stay kek

>>51260254
Vesper does have an actual interest in necromancy since i remember him going on a tangent about it during a zatsu. would be interesting if he was redesigned to lean more into occult shit.. fits his actual edgyness perfectly

>>51235653
It's always the /#/ fans that ironically seem to understand the least about how actual money is made in the industry kek

>>51260254
all I know is Vesper seems to be very happy with what he saw of his redesign and I trust his tastes in male designs but guess we’ll have to wait and see

>>51225088
What would Kronii think about his redesign?

>>51260429
no matter what he does she will mock him for it calling it now

>>51260403
You’d think if they knew so much on how to get /#/‘s they’d probably go out there and do it themselves. Easier to just sit on their asses and complain about everything

>>51259915
>>51260125
And by doing that and letting HoloEN fucking rot without a single new girl debut is hurting them more than having 2 somewhat successful homos. You retards fucking ignore how outside of the concert next month HoloEN hasn't had a single big event in more than an year and people are leaving. Paying people are leaving. If investors care so much about money why didn't they force Cover to also debut an EN3? There was literally no fucking reason to only focus on the homos for over a year but here we are, with only 3-ish member of them being somewhat of a success while on average they're still doing worse than most of the Niji faggots and their second most popular branch and the biggest EN agency is slowly decaying because of lack of new blood.
Also
>Everyone would want to suck the toes of anime women
Don't fucking act like you people don't treat male vtubers like a minority that should be protected and shoved on every single corner of the vtuber industry like they need diversity quotas. You can't let a single girl talk about collabs without going "but muh Tempus".

>>51260491
If you actually go on /#/ from time to time you know the faggots there aren't really interested in how the money is earned or how things break down, they are just horse racing with LoS nUmErOs to dick measure about whose oshi is better because of SCs and CCV (the two least profitable things).

>>51260429
>I hear they're gonna rework your chin
>Yeah I'm gonna look good
>I'll them to give you a triangle head.

>>51260626
You think like a gachafag or a nijifag kek, they don't need to constantly pump out new gens, the girls just need to actually fucking stream and keep doing interesting content to keep their branch relevant. Gura has done more harm by sitting on her ass to HoloEN than any homes have ever done. Schizos like (You) aren't real managers of real companies for a reason rumao

>>51260491
Right, they should all just become Gura, stream as much as Koyori does, and also be in Hololive somehow.
If any one of them fails to do that, then Tempus's garbage numbers (and their obvious negative effect on the girls' numbers) aren't real.
sis

>>51260626
After all the Niji bullhorn the cultural tide has changed, now most chuuba fans seem to actually prefer "slow and steady" debuts. We are in a post-ACCELERATE era of chuubas and only the most delusional homosexuals seem to think that this is a bad thing.

>>51260871
nigga the stars barely even collab with the girls why the fuck are they responsible for dwindling numbers? that's the fault of (you) not promoting your oshi enough.

>>51260626
>Paying people are leaving.
I don't know what reality your living in. These "paying people" are still prevalent in their streams. Membership gifting and SC donations are all there.
>There was no reason to debut homos
True. But what are they gonna do? They have auditions open for boys a few months after Council debuted so it looks to me they have a reason to do so. The hard fact here is that Tempus 1 was already ready while EN3 is having problem finding talent. ID3 and Uproar already debuted and I don't know what's going on in JP's end
>But they debuted Tempus 2 soon after
Don't get me wrong I agree with you. I think it's pretty stupid. Management believed that if Tempus wanted to grow on their own they needed another set of people to collab in their own circle. It sorta worked. Now all of Tempus 1 are above 200k and Tempus 2 are around 100k. But hey, no more spammed mixed collabs right? That's what a lot of the people are crying about /here/ and on Reddit.
>Don't act like male vtubers are a minority.
They are. And no. I don't think they should be protected. From a business standpoint their business market is far inferior to the girls' side. Anyone would see it as a failure but people who see it that way are no-brainers. Male vtubers are a niche and it looks like YAGOO is capitalizing on it after Niji imploded. Prism is attempting to do the same.

>>51260429
>Kronii making fun of Vesper
>Kronii beating Vesper in games and laughing at him
>Kronii making fun of Vesper
>Kronii causing Vesper to have a menhera breakdown
>Kronii causing Vesper to shout nigger on VC
>Kronii locking Vesper in a Flat Chastity cage and throwing away the key
>Kronii forcing Vesper to buy a self defense spear to protect himself from Kronii (did not work)
>Kronii making the Yaba Daba Doo meme to destroy Vesper's image
>Kronii astroturfing with Homobeggar threads
>Kronii getting away with serial abuse
>Kronii manipulating /vt/ into becoming Holostars antis
>Kronii giving Vesper that smile as she sends her fans into a lust fueled rage and letting the Kronis run a train on her
>Kronii won't allow Vesper too coom until he beats her in Monopoly

>>51261439
are you just self inserting into Vesper?

>>51261571
Kronii please...

>>51261117
tempus was a smart longterm investment when you look at how much nijien has absolutely imploded. back when tempus first debuted i totally understand the confusion at the decision, but now people who think "i want to watch corpo male chuubas without constant drama and with more comfortable vibes" have something to watch. yagoo was a fucking oracle for this one even if they don't make as much money as the girls do desu

>>51225088
what are the chances he's gonna have a goatee for his new one?

>>51261439
Hey Vesper. Are you level 60 on WoW yet? I'm getting tired of grinding...

>>51260777
I've seen nijiniggers being less antis than you.
>gachafag
Stop acting like you're a Stars fan because you keep misusing Shien's quote. The OG9 ASKED management to not debut new members until all of them had 3D. Meanwhile you have the HoloEN girls talking much more often about wanting kouhai but apparently they're also gachafags and nijifags according to your retarded argument https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQpvF2Q4oW0
>they don't need to constantly pump out new gens
It's been 2 years. How long it's enough for your highness to accept a new gen? Until one of them fucking graduate because they themselves got tired of Cover only giving a shit for the homos? Also at their third anniversary HoloJP had 32 members while we'll be lucky if HoloEN has 15, but according to you that was a bad thing and HoloJP should've stop by gen 2. We just have to ignore how if that was the case a lot of the members who were instrumental for Hololive's boom in the west and therefore HoloEN's creation wouldn't exist but I can't talk about holes in your retarded argument, can I?
>the girls just need to actually fucking stream
And here's the point that numbers prove that you're fucking retarded. Tl;dr HoloEN is horrendously understaffed and a few members being on hiatus for whatever reason affects the branch worse than an entire JP gen being absent, but that won't convince you because you're a genuine Holo anti just like every single beggar out there.
>Gura
Cool story, schizo.

>>51260906
We're actually on the let shit rot and never do anything era. Unless it's male vtubers, we need more of them and we need to shove them harder in the faces of people who don't want to watch them.

>>51261117
Gosh I feel like my brain is leaking from my head reading this shit.
>while EN3 is having problem finding talent
Source: your ass. Yeah, that makes complete fucking sense even if Myth and Council took 4 to 5 months from auditions to debut. For some reason Cover couldn't find 5 girls in over a year and half and didn't do anything to stimulate more people to audition for over a year. All the girls who debuted on smaller agencies? They're all irredeemable trash, worse than literally every single HoloEN and StarsEN member and shouldn't have even dared to send their auditions. Let's ignore how Axel was a fucking 1view tho, because the homos have lower standards so it doesn't matter if they were worse content creators than most girls who sent their auditions. But yeah, go on, continue to make retarded explanation to justify daddy Yagoo's retarded decisions, because it's not like you coverdrones don't do this on a daily basis.

>>51261738
Tempus isn't getting shit. The absolute majority of people who left Luxiem went fucking nowhere, otherwise 5/8 members of Tempus wouldn't be living in 3view territory.

>>51230391
>im a business man bros trust me
i honestly dont give a fuck, i just wanna know if he still gonna keep the vamp look. Go numberfag somewhere else

But I like his janky model. It has SOVL. Plus the sisters aren't coming back now to fap to sexy vampire man, that ship sailed when they spent ten dollars on the cheapest model and rigging they could find.

It's funny really, imagine if Ka-Ba had invested more into guys like Gamma and Vesper back when they were peaking, instead of taking notice a year later. Oh well. And then they suspended Vesper when he was averaging 4k CCV a stream, causing him to recline. They could have had something but now they've got whatever the fuck this is.

>>51225088
Get rid of my boy's yaoi chin, that's all that's needed

>>51261967
Nothing you say is proof that the homos impacted the girls numbers. The homos are too small to impact the girls numbers positively or negatively, many people who watch the girls don't even know the homos exist.
>HoloEN is horrendously understaffed
Then blame the management for being incompetent instead of seething about homos who have nothing to do with it? It's room temperature IQ behavior to come into a thread about Vesper's redesign just to cry about HoloEN (no one was talking about them).

>>51262222
Shrodinger's Homos arguments kek
>"the homos are irrelevant, no one watches them no one cares about them they might as well not exist"
>"the homos have ruined literally everything about vtubing i see theme everywhere all of the time"

>>51262169
hey if it looks like a woman, then she is a woman im just saying

>>51262353
that's pretty much every thread on this board, so much for being irrelevant

has there ever been a hololive/stars redesign that completely got rid of the original theme of a design? like if pekora got redesigned to not be a rabbit i mean

>>51262222
The complaints are about the obvious preferential treatment the homos are getting over the branch that actually fucking got the money to justify this retarded bet. Yeah, the homos didn't directly hurt HoloEN but Cover thinking they're a worthy substitute for an actual HoloEN3 absolutely did and you faggots insist there's nothing wrong with EN, or the girls are lazy (which is provable untrue) and they should just stream more even when there are timeslots none of them can fit because they don't have enough people to fucking do it or whatever other retarded cope you use to justify Yagoo's retardation regarding HoloEN.

>>51262492
Nene.

>>51225088
Did people not like his design?

>>51261967
>>while EN3 is having problem finding talent
People in these threads unironically think that small corpo girls aren't more talented than fucking Amelia or Ina merely because they aren't in cover/"don't get numbers". But then can't explain things like fucking Pipkin Pippa.

The reality is that the advantage cover had was a gap where no one was filling the void for chubbers and EN3 will be weaker in numbers. The only way the 'can't find talent' argument makes sense is if cover is aware they're losing marketshare and are looking for the best non-menheras. The reality, which no one wants to accept, is that EN2 never got past that 1 million subs line because Kronii and Sana decided not to be team players and they invested in ENstars 1 and 2 instead.

>>51262768
No one liked his design. people only liked him during his debut because of his personality but you could actually see people during his debut stream comment how ugly the model was. He and Magni were the least subbed Tempus members pre debut too

>>51227453
>So twice as fast as Irys, there is definetly no favoritism
Tempus getting a 1.5 redesign and 2.0 redesign in less than year had to cause some heated discussions in the EN branch. Ina and Kronii must have asked management some questions on why they don't have the same consideration for holoEN.

Only male vtuber i watch he's T9 because this bastard and he's friends are so fucking funny together
https://youtu.be/qoxMXPTx9TI?t=16m47s


Actually brotuber vibe ,just normal youtuber, and i prefer to watch them than TEMPUS any fucking day because they are simply more funnier and witty
Most of them are either Pngtuber or low-cost model and i don't even care
No coomer fujo pandering shit and they can do pretty much everything without a corpo breathing down their neck

Holostar need a reshape if they want to succed, as it is now nobody is going to watch them or seek them out

>>51262874
You were going so damn well but then crashed and burned on another retarded cope. If Cover truly gave an iota of a fuck about waiting for a member of a previous gen to reach 1 million subs they wouldn't have fucking made open auditions for EN 4 months after Council's debuts. Why the fuck would Cover do that just to not hire a single girl and waste the time of everyone sending their auditions? Are they that fucking sadistic, giving a false sense of hope to those girls busting their asses to make the best first impressions they can on their videos? If the answer is yes then Yagoo is a much bigger cunt than everyone thought.

>>51262671
It's not preferential treatment, it's Covers fault for giving the girls shitty managers that they constantly open complain about while the boys have relatively better management that they almost never have anything bad to say about. There is a real difference here but your brain has been too rotted by the Mongolian basket weaving forum and a fixation on chuuba dick to see the actual issue for what it is.

>>51261967
Not any of those anons but
>at their third anniversary HoloJP had 32 members while we'll be lucky if HoloEN has 15
Well yeah, it's a Japanese company. JP members are easier to communicate with, monitor, and bring in for things like 3D. It's the same reason why nijiJP is the same way.
>HoloEN is horrendously understaffed
ID has less members and doesn't have a streaming problem. Hell Tempus has less than either and has the exact opposite problem: they stream so much it's hard for them to NOT overlap outside of streaming at the asscrack of night in NA. Besides, Tempus already had a time where 3 out of 4 were MIA, so by your logic a second gen is perfectly reasonable.
>Gura
I don't see what's schizo about the largest member by a wide margin not streaming severely hurting the rest of the branch.
>We're actually on the let shit rot and never do anything era
Personally, I don't see what the huge deal is. ID already is just EN with a different brand. I could understand not counting JP because not everyone understand Japanese, but if someone's streaming primarily in English anyway they may as well be EN.
>Let's ignore how Axel was a fucking 1view tho, because the homos have lower standards so it doesn't matter if they were worse content creators than most girls who sent their auditions
Are you really confused as to why they hired men for an audition that was advertised as "for HoloStars" Besides, from my understand it's not like Ame was much better off pre-holo
>Tempus isn't getting shit
It's a fact that Bettel stole some of Nijisanji's paypigs

>>51263287
Yeah see there it is, you're not willing to accept reality that cover doesn't care about generations that can't make numbers. ID4 is right around the corner and you'll still be saying the corporation doesn't care about numbers.
>sadistic
Yagoo doesn't care about your feelings, all of those reddit memes about 'good guy yagoo' were made by a corporation in a backroom somewhere.

>>51263091
Ina and Kronii both have really solid models, and since they're Korean, I'm sure that doesn't help them.

>>51262492
aruran.

>>51225088
oh no

>>51263910
If the girls keep complaining about it, sometimes even on stream, and Cover doesn't do anything to help while giving decent managers for Tempus then it's textbook preferential treatment. IRyS had to fight for over a year to get her redesign while the entire Holo fanbase couldn't stop blaming redjuice, but somehow she still has the same managers who recently started ghosting her. Meanwhile the homos who don't even have a year under their belts apparently got lucky and were given some of the best managers in the company who are able to make things happen for them in record time. Once again, textbook preferential treatment.

>>51263970
>JP
Why are you bringing NijiJP?
>ID
They literally live in the same fucking country and share the same fucking timezone. Meanwhile EN is scattered around at least 6 timezones and they still manage to stream as much as ID who have Kaela and Reine literally carrying the branch regarding streamed hours.
>ID is EN
Yeah, when they stream outside of their normal hours, and that still doesn't fill the absolute void that is the slot between Kiara and Ina/Fauna, and when those 2 don't stream it's even longer.
>Gura
The largest member who never wanted to be on that position. Here's a clip of Fubuki happy that Pekora and Marine took her torch, which is something that will never happen in EN until Cover fucking debuts new people. I fucking guarantee you that the moment someone takes Gura's spot as the face of HoloEN she'll be back to a somewhat consistent streaming rate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27apdUYLqJc
>Axel
I could've used Watson, yes, but the whole point of that example is that coverdrones love to be smug about girls debuting on other agencies, calling them failures who would never pass the auditions while Cover has hired quite a few literal whos of literal whos that they would never call Holo/Stars material in their lives.
>Clown
He mostly stole paypigs from StarsJP, and the ones he got from NijiEN weren't enough to make him bigger than any of them. The math doesn't match and there were a lot of former LuxNox fans who either completely abandoned vtubers or found something elsewhere.

>>51263992
>cover doesn't care about generations that can't make numbers
And the homos make numbers now?

>>51225088
please not another aruran
please not another aruran
please not another aruran
please not another aruran
please not another aruran
that was the worse downgrade in holohistory

>>51226822
>ESL chama....

>>51230826
you've never watched IRyS have you?

>>51265719
Vesper is comfortable in his ojisan-ess and doesn’t seem comfortable being portrayed as a pretty/fuckboy. I believe it won’t be a de age situation

>>51265112
>Why are you bringing NijiJP?
Because you seems to be confused as to why a Japanese company would have a preference for Japanese members. I mentioned NijiJP as another example of a Japanese company that's majority Japanese.
>They literally live in the same fucking country and share the same fucking timezone.
That has nothing to do with your original point or what I said. You said EN is understaffed, which I assume you meant in terms of talents, and I pointed out that both ID and Tempus have less that EN and don't suffer the same issue. If you meant understaffed as in terms of management, I don't know why you think adding more HoloEN members wouldn't make communication problems worse than they already are.
>The largest member who never wanted to be on that position.
Whether she wanted to be the biggest or not doesn't matter. As the largest member, her absence hurts HoloEN more than any other factor. The odds of another EN member of all people is extremely slim to none. Gura had her previous success, her model, covid, the novelty of being in the first western gen of any large corpo, even the baby shark meme. There's a reason why Council didn't replicate Myths' success sub wise.
>He mostly stole paypigs from StarsJP
The only StarsJP members with much in the way of paypigs are Gamma and Astel. Not sure what you mean by "weren't enough to make him bigger than any of them." If by "them" you mean StarsJP, he's always been bigger than them. If you mean Nijisanji, he only loses consistently to Vox. Bettel particularly, but also a lot of Tempus2, have a large Niji audience which you can fact-check yourself by going on vrabi and looking at the company breakdown on any given Bettel stream.

>>51266461
no one watch Irys

>>51266600
The odds of another EN member of all people beating her is extremely slim to none*

>>51266600
>Bettel particularly, but also a lot of Tempus2, have a large Niji audience which you can fact-check yourself by going on vrabi and looking at the company breakdown on any given Bettel stream.
So far they haven't attracted the hardcore ones but there have been more casual fujos.

>>51265719
If Vesper gets the fuckboy treatment I'll unsub.

>>51225088
This is the second time someone went into panic mode for redesign.
I can understand Irys, but Vesper? What you guys scared about?

>>51263249
>Holostar need a reshape if they want to succed, as it is now nobody is going to watch them or seek them out
So in other words get rid of perms? Loosen up restrictions? I don't know about coomerbait or fujo pandering since those guys don't do it but Cover is the type not to risk another perms apocalypse.

>>51266972
They're going to nerf his chin.

>>51225502
Either Cover hates IRyS (lots of evidence) or her artist is a bitch, which is behind closed doors. Or both? Either way, I like IRyS a lot so it's sad.

>>51266972
pizza papa trauma

>>51264196
...kronii is korean? I thought she was white.

>>51267181
did you not hear her speaking korean?

>>51266972
People are worried about Vesper becoming Arurun2, even though they're nothing alike aside from both being old. As far as I'm aware, Arurun was changed due to low merch sales and apparently being one of the younger StarsJP members. I've heard conflicting things on if he wanted it or management wanted it. Vesper embraces the fact that he's old and we know from Magni's tweet months ago that Vesper most like also isn't happy with how he looks. Considering what he was before Stars, I doubt he wants to be a young pretty boy.

>>51226822
Why it always some SEAgroid who posts garbage like this with broken english?

>>51267013
Perms aren't going away. Cover's a japanese company, so all members need to follow japanese law. HoloStars have proven many times in the past they're capable of getting solid numbers, it's just that most of them don't seem to have the drive to grow

>>51262492
Azki?
Aruran?
Flare?
Do those count? Maybe just Azki?

>>51265719
I legit don't know why they changed it

>>51267052
this.

>>51266600
>entire first point
It still doesn't make any sense to bring out the company that dumped 60+ talents in under a year. Cover had a decently reasonable growth of 32 members in 3 years and there was literally nothing preventing them from debuting an EN gen each year. If they followed the 11 months break between gens they had with Council then an EN3 would debut last July and an EN4 would be due to this month, and that would be a great help for the branch that desperately needs it.
>understaffed
My original point is that people feel like HoloEN is lazy because their streams are scattered due to the nature of them being a global branch, but even with only 9 active members they're still managing to stream as much as ID who are solely carried by Kaela who is a straight up eldritch horror and Reine who was the most dedicated streamer of ID before Lovecraft created that blacksmith. Tempus also doesn't have this problem because 7 of them live in NA, pretty much on the same timezone, and Axel is the only odd one out. Who would've guessed that having region homogeneity would contribute to a consistent streaming schedule, not like this is literally the reason why HoloJP has no dead slot even if they have members who stream half as much as the EN average.
>Gura passing the torch
It literally happened in JP with Fubuki and Aqua being way above everyone else until Sankisei debuted. There's a big reason for why people are putting so much hope in EN3 considering how all third gens, including StarsJP, were the ones that brought some of their biggest members of their respective branches. In StarsJP case it didn't last long because Kaoru got terminated, but if he was on a fast track to become the biggest member of the branch.
>paypigs
The same people who SC Astel are there for clown. Also even if not by much Bettel still loses to most of Luxiem and some Noctyx members as well, and it doesn't matter if Tempus 2 has overlap with NijiEN when the majority of them are struggling to leave 3view hell without raiding each other so they're still not collecting this funnel of former NijiEN fans that people love to say.

>>51267068
IRyS consistently defends redjuice and more than once implied it was management's fault.

>>51265112
>were given some of the best managers in the company who are able to make things happen for them in record time. Once again, textbook preferential treatment.
You're making this sound like those managers existed prior to Tempus and were chosen for Tempus.
No, those managers were hired specifically for and given to Tempus. It isn't preferential treatment when you hire for something and happen to get a good hire.
Those managers can't be reassigned either because they don't have training in handling the girls. Their training is based on the boys.

>>51268433
So Cover hires a completely new staff for the homos while the girls are stuck with the same incompetent retards they've been dealing with and complaining about since the very beginning and only very recently they started looking for new managers, almost 3 years since Myth's debut. Yeah, sounds completely fucking fair. Generally it's men who get the short end of the stick in situations like this but I always forget that male vtubers are the special needs children who need all the help they can get.

>>51268899
while the girls are stuck with the same incompetent retards
They haven't though? Kiara has been giving nothing but praise to jenma and mori with jchad for the longest time. Whether you wanna argue that the other girls didn't get under those managers is due to the understaff issue.
Also unless you can link to me that management hiring was closed specifically for holoEN, there's absolutely no way they're stuck with them. I'm more inclined to believe that they keep striking duds when hiring.

>>51269042
The personal managers are the only ones they praise (excluding IRyS who's now being ghosted by hers), while they always threw indirect jabs (or direct in Kiara's case) towards other parts of management such as their higher ups and the ones (or one) in charge of getting perms. Regarding them hiring more staff members I'm unable to find a single hiring call for EN staff member before this one, obviously excluding those that they did before Myth's debut, so there's a high likelihood that outside of people that they might've hired by recommendation of the current and already incompetent higher management they never hired anyone else. https://twitter.com/cover_corp/status/1649291882944663552

>>51250695
>A single EN3 member would do all of this and be much bigger than all of the 8 homos combined
maybe, but they earn money from different fanbases. you're forgetting that tempus unlocked the sisters wallets for cover. or maybe you know and you're just coping.
an EN3 will just divide the attention the girls get. there's no more room for growth for holo EN. no more covid, no more lockdowns. the magic is gone and they're not just as entertaining anymore.

>>51269652
>or maybe you know and you're just coping
>proceeds to spill the same cope that an EN3 will only hurt them
Sister Tempoop fucking annihilated the already minuscule audience your boys had and there were less people interested in their debuts than fucking Xsoleil who were coming after the absolute flop that was Iluna. For god's sake, at least pay attention to the faggots that you're supposed to support.

>>51269807
they still earn more money than you lamao

>>51269897
Oh wow, what a great comeback. You got that from an AI?

>>51269955
>didn't even try to deny that he does
>cope and seethe, wagecuck

>>51269992
Are you alright there, sister? Did the AI comment hit a nerve?

>>51269652
This is a huge factor people aren't talking about. New branches expand the audience while more talents under the same branches just dilutes the old audience. Not like a lot of people /here/ understand business economics well enough to get why diversifying your reach is a good idea.

>>51268408
>If they followed the 11 months break between gens they had with Council
Cover seems to have a trend with overseas branches where they debut two gens within a year of each other then slowing down. Again, overseas branches are harder to manage in general so comparing EN to JP doesn't make sense.
>people feel like HoloEN is lazy because their streams are scattered due to the nature of them being a global branch
People don't exactly call EN lazy, they call Gura, Ina, and Kronii lazy because of how common it is for them to just disappear. It doesn't help how common it is for the EN girls in general to get sick. With the exception of Anya, neither can be said for ID or Tempus, and even in Anya case she's streaming consistently again.
>It literally happened in JP with Fubuki and Aqua being way above everyone else until Sankisei debuted
Yes, record holders have been surpassed in the past, but the gap between Fubuki when she was at the top and new comers was much smaller than the gap between Gura and an EN newcomer. Gura is so far ahead because she essentially had the stars align. That doesn't just happen twice. It's not impossible, but it's also technically not impossible for even a Stars member to blow up and pass her.
>Bettel still loses to most of Luxiem and some Noctyx members as well
For the sake of arguement, I'm skipping May because it was Bettel's birthday month. Using April's data the only NijiEN males that beat him were Sonny (birthday month), Luca (birthday month), Hex, and Vox. That's not exactly "most of Luxiem and some of Noctyx." Yes, a lot of his paypigs, and fans in general, are from NijiEN. I can't confirm this, but I heard Doppio was hit the hardest which checks out since Doppio viewers are Bettel's largest NijiEN demographic followed by Mysta.

>>51270044
ai dont have nerves

>>51270398
Also Niji talents don't get fucking paid and the company itself pockets most of the money. No matter how much or how little money the Stars are making in raw currency they are probably making tons in actual profit compared to that, and that alone probably makes it worth it

>>51270398 (me)
I made an oversight with Vox's April numbers: it was both his birthday month AND his first outfit reveal month. Only Hex had nothing special happen in April.

>>51270290
And we saw that happening instantly with Tempus, meanwhile Holox did grow HoloJP's audience and all the 5 members are now very integrated with the rest of branch and are some of the best hires Cover got, especially compared to the homos.

>>51270398
>overseas branches cope
But they still debuted 8 EN Homos faster than every single foreign branch. Weird how they gave them this treatment while they waited almost an entire year to expand HoloEN when they were THE biggest vtuber group in the entire world. Or maybe it's just me paying too much attention to Cover's retarded decision.
>lazy cope
You must be completely blind to not see how people call literally everyone but Mori, Kiara and maybe Rrat lazy. Even Fauna gets hit with it once in a while when she takes her rare breaks. Also Ina had a 3 month breaks and pretty much came back to her old streaming rhythm, so I don't know why you're singling her out in particular, and you definitely don't watch ID since you forgot how Risu is almost their Gura.
>not impossible for a Stars member to blow up and pass her
Roru. Rumao even. That insane line of thought aside HoloEN will never have someone becoming the new face unless new members debut because none of the current members show any interest in taking her spot, but I guess with people like you coddling Cover's stupid decisions there will never be a chance for her to pass the torch for someone who actually doesn't mind being on the top of the branch.
>clown again
I'll trust your word, but that still will never justify dropping any plans to grow HoloEN just to have a single person who can be competitive against NijiEN in the sc department which isn't even Cover's main focus. Bettel might pay for himself with that but there's other avenues that are much more profitable for Cover and with his dwindling audience and glacial sub growth there will be a time when his whales' pockets will dry out and there won't be new ones to take their spot which is something that's already happening, but I guess having 5 months of paypig milking is a much better investment than adding more girls to HoloEN's severely burned out and increasingly busy roster, even when the girls themselves are asking for it.

>>51271269
This was taken from April, and with exception of Vesper, all are healthy in the membership department as well as SC's.
Vesper got a ton more SC's in April to justify his shit memberships.

>>51271543
Dude 90% of their memberships are gifts. You really think Bettel's 3008 gifted members will watch any of his members streams or buy his merch or come back after it expires? Outside of Choco's recent stream the only Hololive member who had such a high rate of member gifts was Watame and it was still only around half of her total members, while Tempus here are all propped up by a handful of whales working double time to keep them relevant. There's no way you can look at this graph and think this is a healthy sign of their fanbase outside of them having paypigs with deep pockets.

>>51271543
makes sense. vesper is the only one that didnt gain niji viewers after the 2nd gen debuted

>>51271807
Is the most important factor not money?
Is that not what anons both ITT and outside of it have been arguing this entire time? That Tempus doesn't generate money, and infact has caused losses for the company?

>>51271269
Nigga just say that you don't like the fact that they released Tempus 2 before EN 3, no need to make up all this bullshit

>>51272025
They don't care about actual money, they are mad about Tempus existing and only talk about money when it fits the narrative (and in no other context)

>>51272025
The money they're generating does not justify not debuting an EN3. They're not a replacement for a new HoloEN gen, even if what they're getting might justify their existence. Cover had literally nothing preventing them from debuting both an EN3 and the homos last year outside of their own retardation, and now HoloEN is hitting all time lows because fuck all is happening with the branch outside of a paywalled concert and Tempoop made a lot of the early Hololive tourists leave their audience because, you guessed, it's been almost 2 years since the last HoloEN debut and for some reason Cover really thought it was more important to drop them less than 6 months after the first group.

>>51272076
Literally no one but you retards liked that and it's you faggots who keep using bullshit excuses to justify this baffling decision. Yeah, the homos get money, so what? If they're so successful why don't Cover keep spamming this garbage since according to you cunts they're now super interested in a metric they never gave much importance in the past and apparently that makes them more important than HoloEN? They did push for their auditions a third time before the second group debuted, so Cover was actually considering getting more failures to add to the branch before even thinking about hiring a single girl.

>>51271269
>muh 8 homos
Well, ID1 already existed by the time Myth debuted, meaning there was already 8 English speakers, and with ID2 debuting a couple months after, 11 English speakers. Between Mori, Kiara, and the 6 IDs already knowing Japanese, there are tons of ways for the new EN branch to interact with JP. Guess what? Holostars doesn't have that. Axel is the only bilingual member of the entire branch. Obviously they're going to release a second gen so quickly when 3 out of 4 can't even speak to their JP senpais, on top of the fact that Flayon and Bettel were already hired potentially with the first gen.
>t-they stream! i promise!
If you're taking random anons shitposting as "everyone" sure. People here don't buy the "tummy hort" excuse mostly because of Gura, Sana, and Kronii spamming it. I mentioned Ina because it was only after Gura started streaming 1 a month that Ina was able to pass her in total number of streams at a little over 500. Amelia has over 800. Assuming they only stream once a day Amelia has streamed for almost a year longer than her.
>Risu is ID Gura
Risu's number of streams in May: 18
Gura's number of streams in May: 2
>J-just one more gen! Surely there will be a second Gura!
Retard-chama, Council can't even hit 1 million, let alone 4 million. There are hardly any HoloPro members with half her subs.
>B-but EN Would've been more profitable!
Okay and another JP would be more profitable than EN. Almost all of HoloX are all in the top 20 most superchatted in May out of all Japanese channels. Guess how many HoloEN are in the top 20? Zero. And yes, playboard counts EN as Japan. By your own logic, EN3 still shouldn't exist and Cover should invest in another JP gen.

>>51272465
Considering that one, it costs them barely anything to hire, two there were already 6 / 8 designs ready since Tempus first inception with 2 more coming within 6 months, three the hires for girls is lacking (Look at literally any other smaller corpo and tell me those would be good hires for EN, they aren't btw, ranging from crude to crass to vulgar to doesn't fit the hololive name)
Lots of anons claim that tourists left because of Tempus when that simply isn't true, girls like Kronii already reclined before Tempus was ever first brought up.
And what's EN3 going to do? Sure, revitalize the branch for about a month or two like any other debut, and when the novelty wears off, you'll have 5 more girls eating the already thinning audience?

>>51267893
EN has it but they're limited in what they do which is what got Vesper in trouble and StarsJP only recently got spurred to do something about it.

Death to homos.

>EN is le bad because HoloX has a huge shilling campaign!
>EN3 would be bad because (insert faglogic here)
In reality, HoloEN just needs a whip to correct their course, including whoever was previously denying Nijicollabs to reimplement that standard. Very much of their problems can be attributed to an utter lack of cohesion.

>>51273257
>including whoever was previously denying Nijicollabs
it used to be niji...

>>51272800
>muh ID
ID lives on a completely different timezone which is the one thing fucking killing EN when they're scattered all over the fucking planet. Good fucking luck organizing collabs between the NA living members and the ID ones, these will always end up with one side fucking up their sleep schedule.
>lazy cope
Then why aren't you complaining about JP? They have more members who are consistently MIA and more member who stream less than the EN average. By that retarded logic they should get the brunt of criticism when they have more people who stream just as much as Gura, Kronii and Sana.
>Risu
Cool, she still the one who streams the least in ID and Gura used to stream more than her before the hiatus arc
>gens cope
Because Marine and Pekora were there since the beginning, right? Because Suisei was a Hololive member since her debut, right? Because Koyori didn't debut 4 years after the agency started, right?
>profitability cope
Then let's nuke all of EN. It's clear that JP is more profitable so they should just fire everyone from HoloEN and StarsEN and keep focusing on HoloJP. It's the biggest chunk of their business anyway so nobody will care if they drop the western market. You sure won't going by your logic.

>>51272901
Goddamnit, it's this retarded tribalism once a fucking gain. If the girls out there are garbage the homos Cover got are below garbage and are only performing better because of the big blue dorito on top of their heads and don't you fucking dare try to deny this. Only Margni's rm was somewhat popular with all the other 7 homos being at very best low 3views and if any of them debuted on those small corpos they wouldn't get nowhere close to the numbers they got by having their name associated with "Holo". And the homos are experiencing exactly what you're so fucking hopeful that will happen with an EN3 with their average viewership plummeting since the debut of the first 4 faggots. Just be fucking honest and say that you hate HoloEN because you cunts are bigger antis than actual antis. Every single time this discussion comes up there's always a small platoon of you faggots using every cope in the universe to justify EN3 never existing but being completely fine with Tempoop dropping less than 6 months since the first batch and absolutely annihilating their small box.

>>51273663
>the homos Cover got are below garbage
NijiEN is to the left, anon.
>only performing better because of the big blue dorito on top of their heads and don't you fucking dare try to deny this
Yes? Same as the girls minus Mumei and Gura.
Try to tell me Mori would be better without big blue dorito. Try to tell me Fauna would perform better.
>Only Margni's rm was somewhat popular with all the other 7 homos being at very best low 3views and if any of them debuted on those small corpos they wouldn't get nowhere close to the numbers they got by having their name associated with "Holo".
Name another corpo not Niji that's recruiting males in EN. You literally can't besides Holostars and recently prism.
Also, Bettel was also popular as his RM and Flayon was prob better as his RM than he is as Flayon.
>And the homos are experiencing exactly what you're so fucking hopeful
I never said they weren't and I never said it was a good thing. But you thinking EN3 changes anything is just a big of a delusion.

>>51273663
>Then why aren't you complaining about JP? They have more members who are consistently MIA and more member who stream less than the EN average. By that retarded logic they should get the brunt of criticism when they have more people who stream just as much as Gura, Kronii and Sana.
Not the two anons you've been arguing with but I'm going to home in on this one specifically.
Because I'm an English viewer that came here for the English branch and want to see the English Vtubers.
I literally could care less if JP evaporated tomorrow, that still won't make Gura stream more.

>>51273897
Bettel was fucking struggling and lamenting how he couldn't understand how popularity in the vtuber sphere worked, you fucking mong. And nah, NijiEN and the homos are exactly the same, couldn't give less of a shit about what you think about them. Regarding the girls yeah, every one of them got where they are right now because of the blue dorito, but your absolute tribalfag ass keep shitting on the girls from smaller agencies because you became a complete slave to Cover to the point anything that doesn't have their brand stamped on it is because they were never up to these made up standards you coverdrones try to push so hard. But hey, guess fucking what, some dumb redneck girl who got know for being a goddamn /here/tuber is now more popular than all the homos that apparently were the best hires Cover could finf, but I doubt you give a fuck about it when you're too busy sucking Yagoo's dick.

>>51273981
Cool, then go start bugging Cover to debut more girls because the ones that the branch currently has are actually fucking streaming but are incapable of filling all timeslots unless all 9 of them completely change their lives to revolve solely around streaming which was never Hololive's main goal.

>>51273663
>b-but what about timezones!
Nigger it's basically just Kiara by herself. Ame, Gura, Ina, Kronii, and Mumei are all in NA. Mori and Irys are in Japan, which has a similar timezone to Australia where Bae is.
>b-but what about JP!
Yes anon, because absolutely no one complains about Ayame. People complain about EN because those few members who barely stream make up a larger portion of the gen than the lazy JP members.
>B-but back in Gura's prime...!
Since you were the one to compare Risu to Gura, for fun I checked to see when the last she streamed at least 18 times in a single month was. It was January 2022.
>b-but what about-ACK
Want to know what all those girls you mentioned have in common? They're Japanese.
>>profitability cope
Anon, this is YOUR logic. You said Tempus shouldn't exist because muh EN3 profits. I'm only informing you that EN is no where even close to Hololive's bread winners.

>>51274470
All of your arguments could be resolved with one single thing: debut more girls. I don't give a shit if you think it won't help when it was exactly what Cover did with HoloJP and look where they are right now. HoloEN being a 9+1 women group for almost 2 years is fucking them up and there's literally NOTHING that you can propose that will help the branch at this point outside of just fucking growing the branch like they fucking did with HoloJP, but I guess this is too fucking hard for your peanut brain to understand.

>>51226822
It’s actually really easy to get examples of sunk cost fallacy that are simpler and more applicable to normal life

>>51274673
>t. can't read
Actually there's another thing that could resolve my arguments: have the lazy bitches stream. If you had any reading comprehension at all you would probably know that I'm not against debuting more EN gens.
>look where they're at right now
Inclining when they haven't had a new gen in almost as long as EN? That's the result of the talents caring and a thriving market, both of which EN lacks.

>>51231661
Bettel panders to Yumes, hardly ever fujos

I think their plan in the beginning was giving them shitty character. The redesign will bring in numbers.

>>51273663
hilarious how you whine about tribalism when shitting on holostars. its not anyones fault your favorite small streamer didn't make the cut for holoen. maybe they should become a face cammer instead

>>51246351
Who told you that?

>>51275007
Nigger JP has 35 people. If you really thing there's no difference between that and HoloEN's 9+1 you're fucking brain dead. Also good fucking luck making the "lazy bitches" stream when they have been doing this for almost 3 years while the branch barely fucking grew. Kiara is still fucking isolated in Europe because Yagoo has a hateboner for the continent, IRyS, Mori and Rrat only have themselves as reliable collab partners otherwise the have to depend on the other girls being available at very late times. The 6 NA girls are weird tho, I'll give you that, but regardless you're completely missing the fucking point of why growing the branch is so fucking important but, again, your peanut brain is too fucking small to have enough synapses to understand this. I fucking posted the clip of Fubuki talking about a topic not at all dissimilar to this and if you think she would keep the same energy to stream if HoloJP stopped at Gen 2 you're an immense retard.

>>51275236
It's more likely that your failures will do it first when Cover gives them the standard merch treatment.

>>51227453
>twice as fast
more like 5-6 times faster lol even faster than flare
Management really love sucking homocock, huhh?

>>51275354
my failures are doing fine and will be fine. its you thats going down a spiral considering you spent hours typing up paragraphs whining about men

>>51267248
But he's not a "young pretty boy" now? Why the change?

>>51275579
>whining about men
Come on, sister. Are you that mad that people don't want to watch your failures and just want Cover to give them what they've been waiting for almost 2 years?

>>51275373
Flare had to fight management for 28 months to get a 2.0 redesign but this still proves that Tempus guys can ask for a redesign and Yagoo will make sure they get what they want in less than a year. Have to wonder if what is going on with Gura on the holoEN side is related to other holoEN talents asking for redesigns that have been constantly delayed.

>>51275354
>muh noomber of talents
You heard it, boys. Yahoo should debut more HoloStars until one of them ignites their growth.
>been doing this for three years while the branch barely grew
Boy that sure sounds a lot like HoloStars
>Irys, Mori, and Rrat only have each other as reliable collab partners
Skill issue. Axel has no problem with collabing.
>incoherent screeching
All I'm getting is that you think growing a branch is important, but only sometimes, and only when it's something you like.
>Fubuki
You mean when Hololive talents had far less money and fame than they do now? No shit. Look at how many 1views quit. Fubuki had, what, 10 people with her in Hololive back then? There's about 50 members now. EN isn't alone like they were. This isn't comparable in the slightest. You know what you can compare to what Fubuki said? Tempus' situation, which you're against, almost like you don't actually care about the things you're saying.

>>51276086
>what’s going on with gura
In what sense? A stalemate between her and management? A hangup?

>>51276247
>Axel has no problem with collabing.
Doesn’t change a thing.

>>51225088
>Vampire
DYRBI?

>>51245173
BOING BOING BOING

>>51276247
Oh yeah, let's completely fucking change the focus of the company to the homos, because they were the ones who were responsible for making the brand popular. Let's also no forget that it was Tempus who grew HoloLIVE's presence in the west, not the girls. Every single achievement HoloLIVE got was because of the dudes, so they definitely should get more and more gens and be the sole focus of Cover moving forward. God you sisters are so insanely stupid. It's literally trying to sell vegan food on a fucking bbq restaurant. Also thanks for completely missing my point about Fubuki. I guess HoloJP truly didn't need more gens since everything was perfectly fine back when it was only Gens 1, 2 and half of Gen 0.

>>51276086
With Gura there are some aspects that are understandable for why management doesnt budge because she doesn't seem to stream at all or finish touching games she plays. But it also doesn't make sense why management doesn't greenlight more of her ideas considering she's frankly the company's mascot at this point, both in the west and Japan.
It shouldn't be that much of an expensive endeavor, especially since her outfits and merch pay themselves. Even though I dont hate Tempus Gen 1, any decision involving the girls would probably make its money back a lot faster and that's just a fact. It doesn't help that Tempus seems conflicted on just being dudes playing vidya or trying to appeal to fujos like JP Stars.

>>51276540
You do know EN also isn't responsible for making the brand popular, right? Once again by your logic EN3 still shouldn't exist. Everything you've ever said can be used in favor of HoloStars or against EN, it's baffling you still can't see that.

>>51276762
>EN isn't responsible for making the brand popular
Yeah, Myth never happened, Gura wasn't the first vtuber to ever reach 1 millions sub and the first one to beat Kizuna Ai, Mori's songs didn't completely explode in popularity back in late 2020 and all other shit Myth got famous for during their first 6 months. Just completely axe HoloEN, but of course keep the homos because they're super important for Cover's "market expansion".

>>51276843
>eop AND a newfag
Yes anon, who are Coco, Miko, and Korone? They totally had nothing to do with growing the western audience before Myth came along. No, EN did it all on their own from scratch! Truly an amazing feat!

>>51276970
NTA, but you can just admit you want EN gone, no need for the masquerading.

>>51276762
>>51276970
>You do know EN also isn't responsible for making the brand popular, right?
That's not entirely true anon. Yes, JP was growing greatly at the time thanks to tons of clips and COVID, but HoloEN was basically a powderkeg that sent the company to new heights since it basically exposed everyone, even normalfags to what vtubers are. Hell at this point, most people probably think of Hololive when they think of vtubers.
Which makes it more baffling that Cover did little to keep the fire going, especially last year when they revealed both Tempus but ESPECIALLY this year with Tempus 2, quite possibly one of the worst timed releases in existence.

>>51276970
I never said they were the ONLY ones responsible, ahochama, but to imply Myth wasn't as important as those members you mentioned is pure delusion that only a homoshill would think about. But for you faggots HoloEN is the enemy that must be destroyed, otherwise they'll keep showing how it doesn't matter how many homos Cover debuts they'll never get a Vox that becomes more popular than all of the girls, and I know damn well how painful this is for you.

>>51277060
>pointing out hypocrisy means wanting EN gone

>>51276843
>unikeks are literally just 2020fag ENtroons

>>51277154
>troon
No matter how hard you try to force this meme it'll never change how your homos were the first EN members to bring up pride bullshit.

>stars numberfags who can't stop shitting on the girls
>antistars numberfags who can't stop shitting on the boys
to an outsider you're both retarded, you realize? you're both so obsessed with calling each other failures to realize how alike you are, both cherry picking numbers that prove your point while ignoring numbers that show otherwise
the truth is that both EN3 and Tempus should have happened by now because they're both audience expanders and moneymakers. however, JP corpos are slow as fuck. there's still no JP7 and still no ID4 either btw
>but they had auditions-
yes, same as EN and still no debut. where are they? typical JP corpo speed.

>>51277105
Yes, Myth was big, but you can't pretend like everything Myth was able to wasn't because of JP setting the groundwork.
>>51277130
Yes, anonchama, I CAN imply they aren't as important as the ones I mentioned because JPs were the ones who built up the initial global recognition.
>S-stop talking about the girls! It hurts my feelings!
Spoken like a true faggot. Maybe you shouldn't start the shit flinging if you're this thin skinned. It won't change your hypocrisy, but you troonicorns are known for that, after all.

>>51276662
>With Gura there are some aspects that are understandable for why management doesnt budge because she doesn't seem to stream at all or finish touching games she plays
Homobegging nigger ignores her entire history and contribution to Hololive to defends his rejects getting undeserved favourable treatment over the girls. Shouldn't be surprised at this point.

>>51277594
NTA but I don't understand your point. By your logic both EN3 and Tempus shouldn't exist since they're both essentially building off the fame of the existing IP.
But you seem to be arguing in favor of stars and against EN3...when they're in the same position.
Just because the other guy is pants-on-head retarded doesn't mean you're not also being completely retarded and also a hypocrite

>>51277366
ID4 is still under the average time for new debuts after auditions, so you should be complaining about how long it took for Cover to put out auditions for them instead. JP7 on the other hand is not needed as desperately as EN3 is since HoloJP already has 35 members. Yes, they should happen and will most likely debut before the end of the current fiscal year considering Cover's most recent financial doc, but if there's a branch that could definitely go almost 2 years without a new gen is HoloJP not the anemic HoloEN.

>>51277594
Hololive isn't an one women show and Myth is just as important for the western expansion as Korone/Coco/Miko/Fubuki were for setting up the groundwork. If it wasn't for Myth Hololive wouldn't be as big as it is right now in the west, and if it wasn't for the JP girls Myth wouldn't exist in the first place, so both are equality important in tist dance unlike your homos who are at most background characters.
>troonicorns
And I'm the think skinned here. Sorry sister, but it wasn't any of the girls who brought up the retarded troon controversy with the wizard game. I know that you really wanted the orange sea to come back in the catalog but Kiara manages to be less retarded than your Korean softboy faggot.

>>51276662
>appeal to fujos like up stars
The fact that you wrote this sentence is proof you do not know anything about JP stars and their demo, stfu

>>51277742
I assume you haven't backread. That anon's original point was that Tempus shouldn't exist because EN3 would have made more money. I told him that by that logic, EN3 shouldn't happen because a new JP gen would make more money. Since then, he's been making similar arguments that would also apply to EN as well. I also think it's weird that it's been so long, but I'm also not losing my shit over it.
>>51277845
>hololive wouldn't be as big as it is in the west
Is that why the western branch is hitting all time lows while the JP branch is continuing to incline?
>troon controversy
Yes, it was really touching seeing Altare validate Kronii's identity. Maybe EN3 will bring in more they/thems.

>>51278136
And why do you think the western branch is hitting all time lows? And it's not just the girls by the way, the homos are also on a complete freefall even when Cover is doing everything in their power to shill them as hard as they can. Also it's great how you have to resort to doxxing to defend your pozzed failures. Fucking pathetic.

>>51278136
>I assume you haven't backread.
Well no shit I'm not backreading the entire thing, I briefly skimmed this shit and this entire thread looks stupid and I could probably generate it via GPT-3. There's also a lot of really angry people who should touch grass
I'm out, peace. Enjoy your numberfag vs numberfag slapfight.

>>51265112
>>51268408
I don't think it's possible for any EN to surpass Gura's subs at this point. She's essentially half retired already. Gonna have to just move on.

>>51278279
>ccv dropping
>sub count stagnant
>Why do you think the western branch is hitting all time lows?
Idk call it a hunch I guess
>admits to there being a troon in EN
kek

>>51275802
He's a bishonen vampire. He wants to be an ojisan.

>>51278370
Not talking about subs. It's obvious that no one will pass her in that metric, but a new face for HoloEN means someone that can be as popular as her without the anxiety problem. It took some time for Pekora and Marine to pass Fubuki in subs but even before that they were still some of the most watched members of Hololive.

>>51278392
Keep going, doxxfag.

>>51278370
>ENs
hell, JPs can't pass Gura either
maybe this spanish guy can?

>>51278492
>2020fag
>doesn't know what doxxing is
Lurk 1000 years

>>51278555
This dude is a 3view, he just got stupidly lucky with the weird ass shorts algo.

>>51278571
Sure thing, doxxsister.

>>51276086
>Flare had to fight management for 28 months to get a 2.0 redesign
Well i guess homos definetly don't get preferable treatment at all

>>51278896
>nene got her's in 5 months
>aruran waited 3 years
AAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE THE RRATS ARE CRUMBLING

>>51225088
I hope this goes over like Aruran's where everyone hated it and he actually loses viewers over it. Shit'd be funny as fuck.

>>51279299
That's exactly what I thought when I first saw this thread.
Aruran's decision was retarded. His pizzadad model was iconic for him and looks good enough. No idea why he thought switching to generic zoomer model with nothing stood out. was a good idea

>>51279411
He got a new outfit that combines the best of both worlds. honestly one of the best male vtuber designs I've ever seen, shame that the damage is already done.

>>51280015
damn that's so fucking good. i'm afraid it's too late though like you said

>>51280015
OK, that's a decent compromise.

>>51275094
Magni didn't really even get redesigned, his face proportions were just fixed and he can take off some clothes now

>>51229456
Isn’t Bettle the one who goes in his pre stream chat to beg for memberships before the stream starts so it isn’t archived in the chat? He’s the clown one right?

>>51231450
"chat is 90% green" LMAO 90% of 30 viewers is still shit

>>51254661
When did he reveal he was gay? I'm not going to dig through his PL archives anon I'm not autistic enough

>>51225088
I thought he and Magni were on their way out?

>>51270933
Yep, all the arguments will always funnel to this.
Even with the sisters bragging about CCV numbers their livers get but Tempus will always better profit share. Better to have happy employees than having stressed out employees.

>>51272025
Tempus generate money, anon. Where do you even get that they're losing money?

>>51272465
>why don't Cover keep spamming this garbage
Why a nijisister always insist Cover to follow Riku's tactic of spitting out new waves every month?
Cover isn't stupid. They will take their time releasing new wave.

>>51225088
EN3...

>>51279250
Yeah, let's forget the big controversy that happened around that time that influenced Nene's redesign to happen much faster than normal, because surely you wouldn't want your narrative to be dismantled.

>>51284823
>new wave
You're not fooling anyone here, nijisister.

>>51284714
>I thought he and Magni were on their way out?
You know Coco still got a new outfit even when she already decided to leave? Some Nijis also got a new outfit for a while before they graduated.

>>51286093
If only.

>>51280015
This shit hurts. Fucking 11/10 design but it's too late.

>>51286093
Gibara...

>>51286093
lol just because Magni make videos for his old account doesn't mean he wants to quit. The money is just too good.
Also it's just what you want lol. Vesper is the biggest earner. Do you think people want to reject easy money?

>>51246351
Bettel is living proof that someone in Stars can pull 4 digits consistently you fucking cunt. And he doesn't even have to rely on outright pandering. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

>>51287122
>what is Coco
>what is Sana

>>51288370
>Coco
chinese spammers
>Sana
chinese gacha money and hated streaming

>>51288370
>what is Kiara
>what is Mori
>what is Noel
>what is Moona

>>51288447
My theory is Sana is too fat and don't want to workout to shed weight so she's not going to run out of breath in her concert.

>>51225088
Cant want for Soul vs Souless spam threads......

>>51225088
Gakuen handsome bros.....

>>51225502
Good irys sucks

>>51225088
hope he goes with the memes and gets a cave man outfit
would even go well with the spear chucking memes. And being a vampire its perfectly reasonable to have "an outfit from thousands of years ago"
YBDBD

Does /vt/ ever stop and think maybe homos are treated better due a possibility that management is biased and/or sexist?

>>51225088
is this preemptive response to possibly being sued by Konami?

>>51274353
>An anon misses Gura
>"BUG COVER FOR MORE GIRLS TO FILL MORE TIMESLOTS"
I don't honestly really give a shit what you all are fighting about, it's gotten too messy and retarded, it's just funny to think of people mass writing in to Cover Corp like "Cover, I enjoy Gura but I wish she'd stream more! Please debut her again in EN3!"

>>51226822
People in business are purposefully ignorant. A reasonable person sees Tempus as a failure when compared to Hololive as a whole, whereas someone in business will only compare Tempus with Holostar JP and see that it's a runaway success even though it's a money sink.

>>51295728
>management is based
Wtf I love them now

>>51295728
Isn't that fucking obvious?

>>51296491
Cool, Gura won't go back to having a consistent streaming schedule then. An EN3 is a chance of her trying to reach out her kouhai like she did back when Council debuted, but I guess Cover should strongarm her to stream because retards like you think HoloEN is fine with only 10 members. Maybe they should finally threaten to fire her if she doesn't stream, I'm sure you faggots would be sucking Yagoo's dick if he did that. Case in point >>51296760

>>51296491
HoloEN is fast approaching not having had new girls for two years. Two whole years. Two years. Shit's stale. There isn't enough people. End of story. It's funny that the anons here just focus on Gura when Ame has cut down her streaming to just only over the weekend. Shit's stale not just for the audience, but for the talents as well.
And especially with this absolute trash management where your game choice is limited, your activity is limited, and your ideas are limited. If you're going to put so many walls up, you best not also couple that with leaving the branch dead of fresh activity for two years.

>>51296829
>strongarm
NTA, I think they’ve been more than lenient thus far.

>>51296829
>hurting your "friends" careers to totally pown le evil management
Sasuga, Gura-sama...

>>51297998
Whose careers is she hurting?

>>51297728
People are completely unable to understand how important it is to debut new gens AT A REASONABLE TIME (gotta put this to protect from coverdrones who will bring "muh Niji"), not only for the branch's popularity but for the girls themselves as well. Fucking smaller corpos like Phase Connect and Idol now have more members than HoloEN in way less time, but these retards still believe HoloEN being only 10 members is completely fine and should stay like this forever.

>>51297835
And I think they've been fucking retarded to not debut an EN3 already.

>>51297998
>Gura
>hurting anyone
Are you some cunt from BVTM farming for content here?

>>51280015
no old man face with sharply groomed beard, no buy

>>51294552
Fag

>>51280015
feels like if he got this instead of that fuck boy tank top/big headphones model at first people wouldve been more accepting of the change

>>51298467
the face was the most distinguished part of the old model, though. losing that can't be made up for even with nearly identical clothes

>>51298097
>gura stops streaming
>en reclines
Who indeed
>>51298166
>>gura
>>hurting anyone
>made a post claiming gura is on some sort of strike, a tactic used in an attempt to hurt a perceived wrongdoer into doing what you want
So what's the truth

>>51298807
>gura stops streaming
>en reclines
EN recline has a lot more to do with them stopping playing Minecraft. Holo numbers are always the highest when they play Minecraft or doing some group activity of some sort, and EN has stopped for like a year now. There has been no revitalized group activity for the branch since Rust ended to replace it.
Also NTA for the second person you replied to, but I don't think that anon is saying she's striking. She's just completely unmotivated because shit's stale. That anon is saying we need EN3 to revitalize the branch. New girls. People start playing more Minecraft. Open VC starts popping off again like when Council debuted. Everyone gets motivated again, etc.

>>51298807
I never implied anything other than Gura being fucking tired and likely wanting kouhai or anything exciting happening in the branch to feel motivated again. Also if Gura not streaming is fucking with EN it's the fault of the other members who aren't stepping up to fill her hole. HoloEN is not Gura's show and her genmates should not content themselves in being secondary characters.

>>51296829
>"Retards like you think holoEN is fine with only 10 members"
And now children, you see how this anon pulls this out of his ass when the original message he was responding to was "Haha wouldn't it be funny if people took the 'BUG THEM FOR A NEW GEN' as a response to 'I MISS GURA'." Stop seeing boogeymen where there are none and take your meds, you unironic schizo. Not everything is an attack on your perfect plan that you would totally execute that would save HoloEN if you were the CEO, hiring manager, general manager, scouting specialist, head of marketing, etc, etc. No mental gymnastics in my original post, I flat-out stated that I don't give a shit what you retards are arguing about. It's a shitpost. Take off the defensive rage-goggles for a sec and have a laugh at how retarded 90+% of the fanbase is, because there sure as hell is nothing any of us is going to be able to do to change them or the company.

>>51297728
100% agreed, shit's stale as fuck and they need more people. It feels like should have gotten new people for HoloEN at LEAST 6 months ago, and even that feels like it's stretching it. New blood will always inject new life into an entertainment business, if nothing other than simply that it's new people to bounce off of, new personalities that are able to mesh with the group dynamic, hell, even new conflict, and (maybe) more people to actually push management to make non-retarded decisions regarding perms.

>>51299289
>>51299367
>she's not streaming because things are stale. She wants something
So instead of saying she's burnt out she uses her health as a shield? If she's truly this bored when there's dozens of Hololive members to play collab with and tons of alternatives she's never tried, then a new EN gen won't reignite her streaming spark for long. If Princess Gura needs new toys to play with every month, maybe she isn't cut out for being a corporate vtuber.

>>51300073
>you're a schizo
>proceed to agree word by word with my points
Nigger are you dumb, retarded or schizophrenic?

>>51300263
Cool, EN still needs another gen.

>>51300518
Agreed. Is EN3 enough? How long should EN4?

Nta btw

>>51299367
>it's the fault of the other members who aren't stepping up to fill her hole
gura found someone for that kek

>>51225088
Ah yes the design, that MUST be why tempus isnt popular. Better divert more money to them

>>51300263
Dozens of Hololive members? You know she can't speak Japanese, right? What tons of alternatives has she not tried? Collab with Tempus?
>If Princess Gura needs new toys to play with every month, maybe she isn't cut out for being a corporate vtuber
That's fine with me, anon. If she ever decides to graduate, I honestly look forward to it. I'll pack my bags and follow her.

Based on the clues everyone gave when they talked about it, I used AI to predict what his new outfit would look like

>>51279250
Nene did prove that Cover management can rush out a full model redesign in 5 months when they are motivated. Still the Taiwan yab that resulted in Cover closing down holoCN was an unusual political event. Not the same as Tempus casually getting redesigns in less than a year.

>>51295728
If the holoEN talents believe Cover is sexist that would explain a lot of events in the EN branch. Ina and Kronii certainly have reason to believe that.

>>51300900
>be in a japanese company for 3 years
>majority of your coworkers only speak japanese
>majority of fans only speak japanese
>"why would try learning japanese lol"
Yeah that's her fault. No one says she needs to be fluent, but with all the time she's taken off you'd think she'd be a little more proactive
>collab with Tempus
Technically that's one option. There's also other corpos, indies, and even the e-celebs she dick rides like MatPat.

>everyone and everything should be used to accommodate Gura

>>51254955
>OkCode 2.9k

>>51301747
Or maybe you cocksuckers can stop dick-riding Yagoo for a minute and admit two fucking years of no new girls is insane. But nah. It's all the talent's fault. Gotta yes man the nips in suits for some reason.
I'd encourage all the EN girls to leave and do their own thing when there's a throng of mindless drones that'd rather keep Yagoo happy than ever criticize him. Even Kiara is pining for more girls. But nah, everything is gucci according to you.
But maybe it's actually all great to you. Maybe you actually think HoloEN is in a fantastic place right now.

>>51301837
You're right, anon. No EN3. No debuts. This should be the end of the road for HoloEN in terms of members. That's literally all anyone is asking for but you sub-30 IQ apes are really offended by that request for some reason.

>>51300935
No....masaka..

>>51302209
>pointing out the things Gura could do instead of ghosting her fans = cocksucking Yagoo
i really liked your fanfic anon

>>51251568
Here.

>>51302855
Things Gura could do won't help the branch in the long run. Stop putting all responsibility on her shoulders when Cover should've had debuted a new gen fucking months ago. HoloJP doesn't exclusively depend on Pekora or Marine, why the fuck HoloEN needs to depend solely on Gura?

>>51302855
>pointing out the things Gura could do
the things:
>collab with males
>collab with Niji/Vshojo/random indies
>collab with e-celeb
Where in the hell did you even ride in from? Fucking graduate. Leave this shit behind. If you're going to concern troll, at least put some effort in it.
And never mind just awful suggestions. You're making them in stubborn defiance to just debuting new girls. Again, that's all anyone is asking for: new girls. We're 100% going to be more than two years out since Council debut and we will not have new girls. Why are you so against it? Why is management completely and utterly blameless in your eyes?

>>51303163
Anons were claiming Gura stopped streaming because things are stale for her, I mentioned the options available to her that she doesn't use. Gura isn't comparable to Pekora or Marine because Gura is the company's mascot and miles ahead of her branchmates, and the EN scene in general. Pekora and Marine are huge, but JP has a lot of huge members. Obviously EN should've had a new gen by now, but that doesn't change the weight Gura carries in the EN scene or the result her absence has.
>>51303287
>Gura just wants people to collab with. She's lonely :(
>ACK NO NOT WITH THEM THEY DON'T COUNT
Coverdrone spotted. Opinion discarded.

>>51303760
>Coverdrone spotted. Opinion discarded.
The sheer dishonesty is disgusting.

>>51303760
Nobody should be forced to carry any branch, especially if this is a role that the member in question never wanted. Hololive isn't a one player game and to think Gura has to do the job the other girls should've been doing themselves makes you the bigger coverdrone here, but I guess Yagoo should treat them like slaves whether they want it or not.

Why did this suddenly turn into a Gura argument? It's best if everyone just let her do whatever in her corner. Don't rely on her.

It's probably better off letting her fade off people's minds.

>>51303952
Anon, it's just a simple fact. Gura is a much bigger draw than, say, Kiara is. No amount of "not wanting it" can change that. That isn't being a "coverdrone," it's the truth. Just like how Kobo is (or was) a major draw for ID.
>Gura has to do the job everyone else should be doing
You mean like streaming? Like they've been doing?
>>51303937
There's no dishonesty there at all. Anon gave no reason for why outside collabs shouldn't happen outside of "terrible" therefore it's reasonable to assume he thinks "no blue triangle, no collab" the very definition of a coverdrone.

>>51304573
>There's no dishonesty there at all
No. Even merely suggesting these collabs would've caused a nuclear meltdown even like a year and a half ago, and you know this if you've been around. You know it. It would even now. But, what, things are so desperate that we should dig the bottom of the garbage bin now? Is this the narrative leddit is spewing or something, that Gura should play with Tempus?

>>51304573
You're the one acting like Gura should accept her role as the face no matter what when the other 9 girls could try harder to take her spot. Yeah, it's an insurmountable challenge for them but it's fucking obvious that Gura is burned out and would rather have Kiara's or Rrat's numbers and forcing her to do this shit won't fucking help anyone. It ALWAYS comes back to the exact same point of HoloEN desperately needing more people so they at least have a chance to find someone who can grow as fast as her, but Cover preferred to try their hand in getting their own Vox and completely ignore HoloEN pretty much on the cusp of when these problems started becoming painfully obvious.