/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>50962474
>It's ai
Have a meltdown
>It's not ai
Have a meltdown
What now?

it's understandable her being upset over AI art due to her being a proper artist, especially when people don't properly disclose that it's AI art or they put it in the official art tags

At this point, any complaining about AI art feels like noise to me, 95+% of the complaining comes from a place of absolute lack of knowledge, just assuming "beep boop blorp, have your HD image". I've started to go out of my way to find/make LORAs of the artists that complain just to fuck with them.

>>50962474
To be fair this is probably touched up a bit by a human. AI couldn't have drawn the smaller details without smudging, and writing like the 02 is impossible for it.

T&C
> so we can share your stuff to third parties right?
> I agree

Why are these artists illiterate?

>>50962800
You'd be surprised man, you can make some absolutely indistinguishable shit just using inpaints and specific loras.

>>50962474
I mean it’s pretty obvious when you see her hand fusing into her hair, her thumb mangled beyond recognition, and her left tit looks like a fucking water balloon kek
Looks like shit

>>50962754
i still don't feel that getting the prompts right and tuning the model's settings (along with maybe a bit of touching up) should be compared to doing actual drawing

>>50962856
They draw and paint, but can’t write. Many such cases.

>>50962885
then what do you call inspiration and tracing?

>>50962474
I fucking hate shitty artists losing their fucking minds over AI when it's just another tool to use. As a person that can draw a figure with proper anatomy I like the idea of being able to train my own shit and use it to experiment, work on concepts, and even save time like jap manga artists do when they trace over 3D models. This doesn't mean I don't hate those faggots that think they're artists now just because they bleep bleep bloop bloop a shit prompt and shit out an uncanny valley piece of shit and think they just shat out the mona lisa.

Person in question she's sperging out about is an actual artist that can draw. Goddamn, would love to get into holostars and "innocently" trigger her into seething rage while talking about how cool AI art is.

Honestly that artist is hilarious. His 100 day art challenge posts are getting flooded with AI hate and he doesn't even bat an eye. Just keeps posting his AI art and every post gets like 50,000 likes.

>>50962474
>using company account to stir shit up
indogs are a mistake

>>50962918
>inspiration
Seeing something and drawing something similar with your own skills and eyes
>tracing
Art theft

>>50962639
>a proper artist
any person that draws anime is not, in any possible real capacity, an artist

>>50962964
Based. Effortlessly making artfags seethe.

>>50962980
>Seeing something and drawing something similar with your own skills and eyes
that's just your brains LORA

>>50962800
>>50962867
No it was touched up by a pro artist. Guy got called out because he entered a 100 day art challenge and used AI so that he can put out drawings like that every day. Apparently the AI stole someone else's illustrations and people started to notice it after another bigger artist points it out.

>>50962474
She's just upset that the AI didn't draw all their eyes too close together so thinks it all looks bad.

>>50962639
her having menhera toddler tantrums isn't helping

It's extremely hot though so I don't mind

>>50963005
What's an artist? Some hippy bitch that sticks leaves on a canvas with glue?

Iofi tilting about retweeting/posting anime pictures never stops being hilarious
She blares the horn like she's stopping some multi-million dollar art heist deal, but it's just some literal who reposting a picture they liked

>>50963005
Get a load of this edgy little boy

>>50963039
and it being not tagged as AI art and trying to pass as normal art was what got people riled up and got the post viral

i have never seen good artists seething about AI

>>50963132
>>50963180
>Defending anime "art"
I bet you also unironically persecute calarts, failing to see both styles are homogenized shells of their former iterations

>>50963132
BUT ENOUGH TALK
HAVE AT YOU!

>>50963260
The reason this became news was because another artist with like 300k followers got people to notice it.

>>50963260
Because real artists don't draw bug eyed, no nosed, slit mouthed, pencil framed girls and actually know human proportions

She should practice drawing instead of seething over AI on Twitter

>>50962474
Real artists dont give a shit about AI generated art.
The only people who make a stink about AI generated art are people who feel threatened, insecure, and inadequate about their own art while also having no understanding of what art truly is.

>>50963408
She seethes because AI produces art that looks better than hers despite all her attempts at improving. Relatable, but still transparent af

>girl who can barely draw dime a dozen anime shit
>Mad at AI that can draw dime a dozen anime shit faster and either better or similar caliber

Yup

>>50963135
>old woman yells at a cloud

>>50962942
AI niggers are subhumans though. They are like Chink sellers on Ebay or amazon. Spam their ugly cheap garbage everywhere to make easy money. They have zero moral standard. Chinks will do this more and more.

>>50962474
The artist is damn good tho
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/58152861
maybe he got hacked?

>>50962639
proper artists improve and know how to draw

>>50963860
Nope, he just started using AI on a whim because it lets him put out tweets almost daily..

>>50963710
Jesas, Iofi, calm down.

>>50962474
Every single month around at the same time, you get used to it.

>>50963964
Is this how she deals with period cramps?

>>50963860
bro just stopped giving a fuck

>>50962474
She has every right to be pissed about it. OP is a fag.

>>50963484
>Real artists dont give a shit about AI generated art.
Until the clients who used to hire you stopped contacting you and starts training your style by using the works you usually did for them on their own.

>>50963939
I don't give shit about id, chink. AI is just a chinky knock off. Most AI niggers don't make stuff for fun. They want to make money by selling it like Chink sellers on Ebay. You can't easily search shit anymore bc cheap and ugly chink shit is already flooding in every genre.

>>50962639
>especially when people don't properly disclose that it's AI art or they put it in the official art tags
This is the statement that I agree with. I prefer human art over AI, but I hate it when they don't tag their prompts so they could bypass the filter and pass it as theirs. Very annoying.

>>50962639
I just enjoy the irony of how artists and programmers were so confident ten years ago that their jobs were impossible to automate and now they're panicking because their jobs are the first ones being automated.

https://files.catbox.moe/lmlol4.png
I like AI

>>50963860
Last real work https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/76067534 in 2019.
Then started spamming AI scenery & landscapes.
At least it's tagged in pixiv.

>>50964237
It’s still horribly, horribly obvious when a pic is AI, though, including OP pic

>>50964262
sus

>>50962885
If I showed you a gorgeous lifelike statue that touched you spiritually, but then told you it was manufactured in 1 minute instead of 10 hours, would that effect on you be diminished? It wouldn't.
The "vibe", of an artpiece is what matters, the process to make it isn't. I will feel the same je-ne-sais-quoi from a painting than from a highly complex AI proompt.
A whole lot of relatively big artists have taken AI as another tool, a masterwork artist from which to take inspiration. That's the only healthy interaction an artist can have with AI, complaining is self destructing and actively alienates (heh) the AI consumers.
You can make hundreds of "good enough" proompts in a couple of hours with a good computer, but to make those jawdropping images it takes hours if not days of tinkering with settings and redescribing your image just right.

>>50962754
YWNBAA

>>50963939
NTA, but he's right. Pixiv is currently plagued with AI-generated images.
On one hand, it's good because the obscure manga characters I like now have some good lewds. Plus the unpopular fetish tags have more content.
On the other hand, everything is inundated with the same style of AI-generated artwork, most of them haven't even been retouched to remove the shit AI artifacts

>>50964340
The AI stuff always looks like shit though

>>50964375
I don't intend to be an artist, I like proompting cute animegirls to gawk at or hot anime ladies to coom to, simple as. The fact your defacto answer is "HURR NOT A REAL ARTIST" proves how bad an 'artist' you are, to the point of feeling threatened by a retard with a half decent trashcan.

half the ai art i see is retarded artists whining about it. most of the people complaining about ai art breaks copyright draw mostly copyrighted characters. y cant they just post their own fucking art instead of whining. wow u make 1 drawing every 2 months.

>>50964479
That's cause most of the AI stuff you see is the "good enough" kind, not the hundreds of hours of effort "godlike" kind.
Same as a regular artist shitting out a decent pic a day vs making a truly passionate one once a week.

>>50964638
Except there’s literally never been a single AI piece I’ve seen that hasn’t looked like shit
Even the “godlike” ones look like shit

>>50962474
When she's in the frontline in the war against AI-based human-cloned robots you will think differently.

>>50962474
Why is the worst artist in hololive so annoying about it and plays "art police"? At this point she is just going out of her way to say "SEE SEE I FOUND THE AI LOOK GUYS HERE'S AN AI" like calm down girl the art is not even in tags related to you

>>50964237
>programmers panicking
If you're a pajeet code monkey, maybe
The difficulty has never been writing the actual code, it's always been parsing vague and downright contradictory PM requirements
PMs being utterly garbage at figuring out what they even want is not something an AI is going to fix

>last non AI drawing is Salami
https://twitter.com/HoDaRaKe/status/1536011759718629377
kek

>>50963039
>Apparently the AI stole someone else's illustrations
it literally doesn't work this way

>>50964850
it literally does

>>50964589
They COULD post their own work, but they’d rather wage a war than get to sketching.

>>50964714
I'm willing to bet you've scrolled past AI art you didn't think to take a second look at and were none the wiser.

>>50964553
You're the one seething to the point where you're going out of your way to mess with artists, not me
You're also projecting or at least assuming that I feel threatened by soulless AI art
And yes it's soulless, because it will never be something you expressed yourself, it will be something you took from a prompt, and that will never change. Even if you love how it looks, if you're not a soulless insect it will never be the same as the connection between vision and expression because those sensibilities are something any artist has been developing internally since childhood, you can only create copies of someone else's specific sensibilities

>>50963860
he's on the side that thinks AI is a tool to assist artists, but he just drank a bit too much AI koolaid and let it draw most of the pictures which got him called out since AI art is 100% ripping off copyrighted work if you let it generate all on its own
the people saying shit like "it doesn't save whole pictures!" and garbage like that are technically correct but functionally liars; the AI parsing algos routinely rip out almost entire frames or poses of existing works and keeps most of that data describing them intact, and if you're "unlucky" you might generate a picture that's a 75% ripoff of existing compositions but with a different character and colors

the real way to use AI as an artist tool is to compose the scenes entirely yourself and let the AI fill in colors and leaves and windows and shit

>>50965005
Nah
I haven’t

>>50964908
It doesn't keep a database of images, it doesn't act as a web crawler and grabs art out there on the web that matches the description, it doesn't cut and paste parts of existing art. It uses math to turn random visual noise into recognizable configurations. Explain how the AI model can steal an existing piece of art wholesale.

>>50965081
>t. least pretentious artfag

>>50965100
>muh copyright
have you faggots looked into the mirror? you are starting to talk like Disney now

>>50964237
kek you haven't a fucking clue how much easier AI is making my 6 figure salary programming job buddy, i literally sit on my ass all day and attend daily standups and use it do 80% of the boring shit i hate doing, while i do the 20% that it can't, and will never be able to do

>>50964340
>If I showed you a gorgeous lifelike statue that touched you spiritually
Is that statue animatronic or something? If a statue starts moving it's either ghosts or servo motors. That doesn't just happen in real life.

>>50964340
Examples of AI art that touches me in a spiritual level? Having a readily available supply of godly art that touches the soul like no other seems quite good.

>>50965167
see >>50965100

>>50965251
I accept your concession
But really, I don't blame you for wanting to save time, most people are soulless anyway and don't create anything of merit

>>50963290
>le SOVL, OLD GOOD NEW BAD
Shut up, bitch.

>>50965100
>if you're "unlucky" you might generate a picture that's a 75% ripoff of existing compositions but with a different character and colors
I guess every real human artist that draws a solo pin up of a girl in a bikini with her arms behind her head is just making a 75% rip off of every artist that did the same before them. I mean, it's the same composition with just a different character and color, after all.

>>50965391
It literally can't keep the data 'intact'. It's physically impossible.
An AI model trained on the Danbooru dataset is 4GB. You can put this on a PC with no connection to the internet and generate images. The Danbooru dataset itself is 2.7TB. The best compression algorithms today range between a compression ratio of 19% to 30%. If AI 'stole' illustrations you would be saying it has a compression ratio of 0.148% (!!!). Why isn't everyone using this revolutionary compression algorithm, then?

>>50962474
bruh that's definitely ai. can't be mad for iofi tho since it's been touched up

>>50965517
You don't seem to understand what you're saying.

Cool vtuber discussion

>>50963005
you are a fucking moron normiefag

I like Yopi’s huge fat ass

>>50962474
this shit is more pathetic than tracing

>>50965585
>>50965100
>the AI parsing algos routinely rip out almost entire frames or poses of existing works and keeps most of that data describing them intact
In order to determine if you have even the first clue about AI image generation, please explain to me what this attached image is and how it is related to AI image generation.

She doeas have every right to hate this bullcrap

I would pick any art, no matter how ugly, over some AI slop
Because I can see art for what it is, an effort made by a human with an intention

>>50965100
"hurr durr only technically correct" yeah that's kind of the only correct that matters when discussing how technology works. Most art, especially the shit that anime style artists draw, already looks 75% the same as a million other things that people have already drawn, and will continue to draw a trillion more times. There's only so many ways to compose "big tiddy fotm anime girl doing a mildly sexy pose" and AI distilling the most basic prediction of that concept down to something that looks like whatever some faggot draws, says more about him and his art than the AI's.

Also fuck copyright. None of the artists whining about this shit give a single fuck about it when they draw a copyrighted character without permission, and in fact they shit their pants whenever an entity like Nintendo or japanese horse mafia actually tell them not to, or god forbid pirate any kind of media like 99% of the population does daily. The classic "rules for thee but not for me" behavior of retarded petulant pissbabbies who don't have any kind of rhetorical leg to stand on.

>>50965811
>Talentless AIfag trying to look smart

ainiggers malding
the only chuubas who will ever appreciate your slop are desperate 2views

>>50965934
oh no no no

>>50966037
You didn’t answer his question, though.

>>50965975
This mother fucker defends AI!

>>50966053
>Depends on software to tell whether it's AI or not
Sasuga AIfags

One thing's for sure. I fucking hate niggers who say things like "What if there's an artist who crippled his hand and AI art is the only way he can draw now?! Are you going to deny his happiness just because you don't understand AI art?!?!" Yes. I deny that man's happiness. Such a worthless human being should be executed.

>>50966123
t. neet

>>50966082
Why should I, iit's trying to derail the point. Showing what could be a cancelled generation or a super low sampling steps doesn't prove that the model being used was not being trained using someone else's artwork / collective database

>>50966053
>puts an image to an AI to tell if its AI
We lost
civilization, high quality smart humans
Its all over
Zoomers are retards