/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

She did a whole member stream explaining it. Basically she wanted to do edgy/lewd/vulgar content, cover doesn't want hololive to go in that direction. You won't see it mentioned much though because it doesn't fit people's rrats. Here's an excerpt that basically sums it up:
>[EN] Coco: It's just, no matter what we tried.... As I said before.... It's a difference in creative difference.
>[EN] Coco: Hololive is like, "I wanna do rock!" But you tatsunoko want country music.
>[EN] Coco: Like, I don't think I can sing rock happily. But they're like, "No, rock all the way!"
>[EN] Coco: So, the direction is completely different.
>[EN] Coco: This is just an analogy, of course.
>[EN] Coco: And even if someone suggests, "What if we do hip-hop?" It doesn't really resolve the issue.
>[EN] Coco: But we really do think lots about it.
>[EN] Coco: Of course, that was an analogy. I personally really love rock. I guess the analogy should've been the other way round.
>[EN] Coco: Of course, I can't get into details.
>[EN] Coco: It's really a difference in values. No one's in the wrong.
>[EN] Coco: I really want you guys to understand that.
>[EN] Coco: I made my choice because of my desire to make things fun for you. But in order to do so, things must remain fun for myself.

>>5062585
Here is the reason. Start on the 42 sec mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWzj6Qq2-PA

>>5062753
I really wish she had just said that in the first place. Coco does take it too far at times, so it's within Cover's right to say they're not okay with that. Without a reason, everyone's first thoughts was the bugmen.

>>5062753
>Cover is moving to family friendly
I was the first person to say that, and now everyone can see it’s true.

Capturing a western audience that may believe anime girls are for kids, is about marketing to kids. Hence making sure Gura reduces or eliminates her swearing.

>>5062753
Hey man, thanks a lot for answering. This really took a weight off my shoulders. The rrrrats were starting to get to me

>>5062585
Disney threaten her to sue for using that mikey mouse voice, simple as.

>>5062850
Well it’s a combination of the China situation + the move to family friendly, while Coco was in the way in both regards.

>>5062585
>>5062753
Yeah dude, creative differences, right.
That's what they always fucking say when they can't say more about it and want to leave without causing a commotion.

>>5063084
Kek

>>5062585
The except the previous anon mentioned should be enough for you to find the pastebin of the entire translation of the member stream in the archive. What he says is right fromm the looks of it. To give the schizodevil his due, she also references "that thing" at some points and there is clearly some stuff she does not want to or cannot bring up, but the matter of creative differences is the most logical and reasonable explanation I can think of, with the bonus of it coming out of her own mouth at that.
Cherish the fact that her VODS and memorabilia on MC will remain, as well as the potential for some people picking up her formats (Kanata mentioned she might want to do something like Reddit review, and Coco would help her offstream), and lastly, she will remain in the holohouse and keep all the friends she made.
Feel free to grudgepost me if she is somehow getting betrayed post-graduation. I beleeb that the sun will shine tomorrow.

>>5063119
There's a pastebin? I may be retarded for asking, but how do I find it?
On your last note, me too... The sun will shine on us again brother.

>>5062753
>Hololive going into a more family friendly route
>Still pretends that their biggest Holo doesn't exist despite being that way from day one
I don't buy this rrat for a second, I can assure you that when she overtakes AI, Cover won't even make a tweet about it.

>>5062585
>Has she told us already why she's leaving?
Yes but nobody wants to believe it and they make up their own theory.

>>5062585
YAGOO personally sharted in her cereal

>>5063119
Nevermind, found the pastebin. NajjZBpB

>>5063119
>creative differences is the most logical and reasonable explanation I can think of
It can be summed up by saying Cover views Coco as a liability, not just because of the China thing, but also because of her constant swearing and edgy-like humor. Cover wants peace with China and also wants to move into family content. This means Haachama is also a target. So expect things there to go badly there.

It’s not one or the other, it’s both. It’s getting China approval + family approval.

>>5063119
>Cherish the fact that her VODS and memorabilia on MC will remain

Never take this for granted. I'd suggest backing the VODS up anyway since Cover is in no way obligated to keep her channel up and can take it down if they wanted to anytime in the future.

>>5062585
based on what all her coworkers said she quit on her own, as in they and management begged to stay around
Coco mentioned creative differences and how she does not want to do forced content and how she wants to be her own boss
So basically she has so much in the bank she would rather live a new life of her choice rather than be a well paid wage slave who hates her job

>>5063284
Not only has coco explained it, you can see it for yourself in her recent streams. Now she's leaving she's completely unleashed, and as a result she now sounds more like a vshoujo member than a holomember (I'm not saying this to criticise her). The ame reddit review is a great example. Jokes about her bloody tampons and anal fingering, off the top of my head.

>>5063446
Coco did mention before that she cannot filter herself when she speaks english and she clearly said those things as a power move hoping Ame would flinch like Mori

>>5062585
She slapped Kanata in front of Haachama and Yagoo

>>5063530
Actually, Coco is similar to Kiara, in that she has less of a filter. She wasn’t trying to be mean to Ame, she was just joking around in a very unfiltered sort of way. Ame being taken back a bit while trying to play along was just because she was used to talking to the extremely filtered and restricted Holo EN. It was a different world, one in which complete broke Mori. Ame at least survived it.

The thing I don't understand is why she kept the reason in a member's only stream. What would be the worse thing that could happen if it's said in a public stream? Now people theorize a lot of things when it's nothing that serious but because she kept the secret to members only, there's people that don't know why she left and they grab every bit of info they can to build a reason and that's worse than saying the truth in the first place

>>5063446
So coco can't stop herself from acting like a gross e-thot, and cover got tired of it and told her to either tone it down or leave and join Nyiggers and her ilk in vsh*j*

>Ame at least survived it.
Ame talk nasty on stream are you a clip faggot parhaps?
The diaper joke was mentioned in her fishtank zetsu ofc ame can survive this and more.

>>5062585
fuck this lizard, hachama had to take an obligatory break so the bugmen wound't move to her streams instead.

>>5063619
definitely, Ame knew how to handle the banter, chances are that Mori lives in a positivity bubble and when Coco smelled
blood she went for the throat
Lets be glad though that that seemed to be a good wake up call for her

>>5063659
I mean Cover did not want her to tell anyone, including her coworkers until the day before her graduation
Chances are that its due to weird rules that limit some topics outside member streams

>>5063446
Christ, I hope she doesn’t join VShoujo, those bitches are cringe

>>5062850
Even if she said it clearly and in no uncertain terms people would still blame the zhangs for it, so I'm not sure it made a difference

>>5063747
Honestly though, it kind of shows me how bland Holo EN can get by contrast with Holo JP. To bad Cover wants to make Holo JP into Holo EN in terms of restricting content.

>>5063735
>Ame talk nasty
Ame is pretty tame by comparison to Coco. It’s actually like a night and day difference. I’m not saying that to pick a side, it’s just the truth.

>>5063859
That tweet seems pretty harmless, no worse than a lot of the shit on meme review desu.

>>5063831
Cover was hiring someone in PR. I hope they find someone decent enough to tell them that they're fucking retarded for doing these type of things that, instead of helping, do more damage to the brand than the truth

>>5064047
Yeah I'm not sure what the big deal is here.
I guess the "uwu" is not super great? You put an unflattering image of ProzD so we're supposed to think him looking ugly means noone should interact with him ever?
As far as I know ProzD is harmless, did he join BLM or something?

>>5064047
ProZD is a massive faggot & so is she
Her & Nyanners might as will be doing collabs with Game Grumps or making guest appearances on Craig of the Creek
No thanks to that shit

>>5063402
I highly doubt Cover will ever be let back into China, they quite literally executed the entire china branch. you then kept the talent that infuriated your chinese base for almost a year with tons of investment in her such as 2 new outfits and even a live2d update. As much as many nationalistic chinese are creatures that harassed her there is probably small amounts that loved Hololive still and even Coco but cannot speak their mind and now those ones might even be against Cover after they suffocated her out with a changes in company content direction and essentially sealing her in collab ban hell. If Cover somehow in someway ends up going China again I will fucking drop Cover on the spot however even if I see it a impossible but who knows maybe theres enough money that somehow slicks the gears in china to let them back in but i fucking hope not.

>>5062753
What a fucking subhuman im glad shes gone

>>5064296
>I highly doubt Cover will ever be let back into China
That’s not entirely the point, but is part of it perhaps. The main point being that they want peace with China. They want to be left alone. Then if possible, they will consider marketing to them later.

>>5064296
This. Something I keep coming back to is the nene remodel. They changed her design and delayed her 3D for months, just to remove any hints of china from her model. I find it highly unlikely that they would be purging chinese influence to that fine a degree, only to then go back on it a couple of months later.

>>5064345
huff carbon monoxide, bugman

>>5064345
Braid your queue, chankoro

>>5064446
Ignore communist posts, anon.

>>5063718
Anon actually talk to a girl. A fucking real one please.

No more of this thread, she said shit on stream but we have no idea if its the entire truth or not. This fucking discussion is getting tiring

>>5064484
anon is so far gone that I doubt even his mother would talk to him at this point

>>5063741
>Imagine victim blaming two cartoon girls.
Neck yourself and blame the 5 cent army.

>>5064484
>>5064533
>anon talk to a real girl, they are all dirty mouthed whores with no class!

Not making a good case, here. Why do you think people watch hololive? For the same exact shit they could find a random twitch skank doing, just behind an avatar? Hololive is popular because they don't act like typical trashy women.

>>5064149
If they want a decent PR person then they'll have to hire a western person, or at least someone who's not japanese, because they are absolutely retarded at talking to people

>>5064197
He's a normal dude, and btw he is married, and his wife is also a weeb. Anon's just salty.

>>5064683
(You) Clearly don't watch Hololive or understand Japanese.

>>5064803
Hiring a western pr company means jumping on every social justice campaign that gets any amount of traction.

>>5064823
You stan the Game Grumps too
Maybe watch some Markiplier or JackSepticEye
Fuck that faggot shit

>>5064996
for a company that profits off gay relationships that aren't just pretend stuff among their most popular talents

She's not leaving for ONE reason.
>Content restrictions
>Harassment
>Other members getting spammed
>"Protect my smile" possibly depressed

Coco is leaving in the best possible way, defending management and thanking her genuine chinese fans who always followed even before the taiwan thing.
She made sure her channel and twitter stay up and untouched, something that doesn't usualy happen.
She'll be in Alternative.
Other Holos will be able to talk about her without problem, "Coco" isn't banned, if Fubuki visits her she can talk about it on stream.
She'll probably be named every now and then on twitter by another member if they hang out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im-PJY-0tyg

She's leaving the door open because she hopes to return someday, but only if the conditions for her return are met.
What could those conditions be? god knows, but i'm almost sure "content restriction" isn't the be-all and end-all for her.

I've followed her since before she joined hololive, and i can tell you she values the friends she has in hololive even more than having the freedom to make all the content she wants, before the Taiwan thing started she had taken a break from Asacoco and began streaming more games and utawakus because she was burned out from it, (she started making asacoco at 11-12pm and often finished it 1 or 2 minutes before she went live at 6AM, she did that for 5 days a week), that break was LONG, it's like she had to force herself to start doing it again.

>>5065359
ngl I wish I had your optimism

>>5065359
yeah this is the conclusion i came to sometime this morning after everything we have heard, i havent followed her nearly as long. its helped me cope with her leaving since its actually in her best interest especially if that last point is true.

>>5065359
oh i see she is returning after the NWO takes over

you eat ze bugs
you live in ze pod
you will watch coco
and you will be happy

>>5064846
I do both of those, redditor.

>>5065743
Coco the agent of ZOG is unironically not a bad rrat as rrats go. Certainly entertaining.

>>5064803
Would they really need a PR from outside of Japan? I think a good PR is above the typical japanese autism, at least I hope it's like that

Another thing, stop thinking "creative freedom" means being able to curse, it's nothing like that, she didn't really curse that much in asacoco, it was more about poking fun at the mistakes of others (and herself).
Pretty sure nobody even knows about Kanata's show that she tried 2 months ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hgrua5hxWU

It had to be canned after 2 airings and it was basically asacoco but without any jokes or edgy content.
Imagine Kiara's Holotalk but without an interview, just clips and general information about the talents, a show that has only 1 objective, to promote hololive.
She couldn't make it because showing any kind of content about another holo needs to go through the manager of each girl.

Kiara wouldn't be able to make Holotalk under holoJP management conditions the way she does right now, she would have to spend time with the manager of the guest and go through the entire thing to see if the manager wants to change something because they are the ones in charge of protecting the image of their talent.

>>5065359
I'm definitely less invested than you are, but this rings true to me. I very much doubt it was any single factor that made her come to this decision.

Likewise, it looks very much like both she and Cover would like for her to be able to return. I wouldn't necessarily expect it... but I also wouldn't be surprised if it happened. Maybe even sooner than we might anticipate, you know that old saying about absence making the heart grow fonder.

>>5062850
Can't blame them. That event was what set this in motion after all.

>>5065359
I can definitely see her returning, no reason why but I can see it happening.

>>5066008
I'm pretty much taking this position as well. Although I do believe management has had it in for her, due to her unsubordinated attitude.
I doubt she'll go on and make her own agency, but I'll definitely keep an eye on her other account, just to see what she does.

>>5062585
>>5062753
Creative differences is definitely one of the reason but the chinks was definitely another
Here is another excerpt
>[EN] Comment: I don't want you to graduate! / Coco: I don't really want to either!
>[EN] Coco: But I do want you guys to know that I ran the race as best I could.[EN] Coco:
>[EN] Coco: If only "that thing" didn't happen.....
>[EN] Coco: But I guess there's no point going over "what if"s.

>>5065359
I believe it.

>>5065359
only reason i believe the depressed portion is other holos mentioning they couldnt convince her to stay and i feel if she confessed that to them they'd realize there isnt a point in trying to keep someone in a dark place where they are and hope them moving on leads to a bright future. and looking at the rest of these points
>content restrictions likely never be resolves as cover is still growing and only gets stricter
>harassment may slow down over a long time
>other members getting spammed could be alleviated through youtube feature implementation
>protecting the smile until she can smile again without forcing it and getting over possible depression
3/4 big known issues are solvable but i doubt Cover itself will ever be fixable unless they stagnate or recline.

>>5065359
Perfect comment. You've cleansed by Rrat infested soul.

>>5063119
inserted into the book of groodges

There's always the independent route for Coco, just like ProjektMelody, but under a completely different original character; though that is probably going to make things difficult for her and hololive.

Yagoo still thirsting for that wet dream of managing virtual idols or what?

>>5065359
I believe it to. Look at this girl >>5066502

>>5063438
this is an important point. store everything about your oshi both fanmade and official because in 10 years the archives will be dying, the artists ashamed of being associated with you deleting their old content and the only people you can trust to never let go is autism blackholes like this. But only if you keep her in your heart and hard drive

>>5066762
>There's always the independent route for Coco


she is already streaming on her third account

>>5065359
at the bottom of this rrat infested sewer, a spark of hope

>>5066779
Within two months, she will be reduced to a loss statistic, a meme about how "we could have saved her" like Delta. After the first few days where her name got spammed everywhere in Kanata's, Suisei's and other Gen 4's chats, eventually, they would get sick of it and calling out chat to stop asking about her all the time because it made them feel inadequate.
Those that followed her roommate will either drop off once their saviorfaggotry isn't enough to force them to watch a 3D woman's streams or fully turn into Ka_son's simps, forgot that she was Coco the Vtuber for a time.
Slowly and surely, she will be forgotten even by (You), a mere memory of a better time on the Internet, like tears in the rain.

>>5065359
When HoloCN announced the graduation dates of their talents. They were given one month of full SC earnings until the due dates. Does the same apply to Coco?

>>5066863
we do not forget
we are legion
EXPECT US

>>5064200
How is ProZD a faggot? He's a redditor sure but his anime content is pretty harmless.

Seeing how a good number of vtubers are all at least some degree of crazy, i'd think it would be better if yagoo just abandoned the notion of managing something akin to akb48 but virtual, and just let them be themselves within reasonable limits while either hiring or having dedicated fans become stream moderators whose only purpose is to delete toxic asshats in stream and super chats
but alas, cover seems hellbent on ignoring the fun and endearing aspect of their girls being crazy...

>>5062585
YES SHE DID LURK FUCKING MOAR ITS BEEN SEVERAL DAYS AND ITS BEEN DISCUSSED IN A MILLION THREADS ALREADY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NIGGERFAGGOTS FUCK

>>5063084
top kek

>>5067063
hellbent on getting sponsorship money.
sponsors want clean and sterile environments to sell their product
cover/hololive being so popular is also the death of its soul

>>5066836
>10 years
Did 2019/20 teach you nothing? Panda woes, at the very least? We have less than a year before shit collapses on itself.
Hoard everything, and then hoard some more.

>>5067063
The thing is I feel like Yagoo is too kind to manage an idol agency. The real world idol industry is ruthless and relies on exploitation and strict rules to keep their talents in line and manage their image. Yagoo is described as easygoing so talents like Marine or Haato will always get in and slowly corrupt his dream by pushing the limits. Then as they attract more viewership due to being more provocative the other talents will start copying them to try to keep up. It's hopeless trying to maintain the seiso idol image, at best you can just cultivate an idol like Ai-chan who pushes the limits of being vulgar in the "cutest" way possible.

>>5067259
Anon, Yagoo himself is just a persona. In the end, Cover is run by a committee.

>>5067318
It still holds true though, if Hololive doesn't wanna be a black company then trying to be a seiso idol group is impossible unless literally all their talents are just Sora clones. The management are overzealous in how they control the girls but somehow still not as evil as the real idol industry, otherwise Marine would've been fired years ago.

>>5067063
B-But those AKB48 sponsorships...

>>5066341
Honestly, I've been wondering why this form of graduation isn't standard. Mothballing all of the old content instead of deleting it is both easier on the fans and leaves the door ajar for a potential return. It's not hard to see the potential upsides.

>>5067396
>using "black company" unironically
Really, anon.

>>5067526
Typically talents don't really want their old archives to remain after they leave the company as someone could use it to dig up dirt on them if they move on to something else and they no longer have any way to remove their past.

>>5067396
marine is a co-owner with fubuki.

>>5063735
Ame just swears and gets "angry" for clippers.
Coco does injecting drugs into your ass and another chuuba sniffing it from there and getting high from it
Its as the other anon said - night and day

>>5062977
And what Cover will do for making gura pander to kids? Graduate Ame? She doesn't give a fuck about kids, and slowly she is becoming more like her past life only excluding alcohol

>>5062753
I respect her for leaving.

>>5062585
TLDR: Not China's fault, she wanted to leave herself, now stop bringing this up.

>>5066008
How do we have holoJP management being so anal about everything, and then letting Aloe stream her model somewhere else, let alone with no supervision?

>>5067835
HERfag relax already, that era's over.

>>5068088
But they didn't though, Aloe and the model are gone

>>5068070
bait? anyways taiwan #1

I don't understand the family friendly push. Is it because HoloEN blew up so fast so they assume it's what the audience wants?

>>5068088
This was before the taiwan incident and before the new "board of directors" was formed

>>5068268
How is HoloEN family friendly in any way. Ame's debug has her drugging the viewers. And all of Kiara's streams is gaybaiting and talking about lewd stuff

>>5068148
>>5067835
One of these days you both will kill yourselves

>>5064296
Anon that's too reasonable and rrats won't have it any other way. Rrats are so bad even fags on kiwifarms called them retarded

>>5068360
Watson Concoction is a pretty weak part of her character. I was glad she brought it up in meme review. Kiara is really the only one who pushes the envelope and I think it's because she just doesn't give a fuck. Everyone else is pretty milquetoast. I guess Amelia curses if you want to consider that less than family friendly.
HoloEN feels like kindergarten jokes when something mildly suggestive happens and they're like "uh oohh, yabeee!" or they allude to saying a "bad word." Don't get me wrong though, they have fun streams it's just different.
Hell, I was surprised Gura and Amelia even kind of roasted Microsoft as much as they did today. Most of the jokes were softballs but it was more than I'm used to from them.

>>5068268
The audience doesn't want this obviously, but YouTube yes, sponsors yes and investors also, it's the curse of getting popular

>>5068582
This. The audience is a product that's sold to advertisers and data collectors.

>>5068582
You can get away with a lot more on YouTube than Hololive seems to let off. I always thought that was a strange reason given. However, it does seem like the rate in which Holos get shat on by YouTube is disproportionately high compared to other channels. Maybe they really hate Holos or something.

>>5066480
they were in an indirect way because the spergout was the impetus for Hololive to restrict its content. The spammers probably didn't help, but the biggest impetus was the market loss in all likelihood. Cover doesn't want that to happen again, so its being overcautious, without considering the differences between the Western and Chinese markets (namely,its virtually impossible to get 'kicked out' of the western market from their position as Japanese streamers). This tonedeafness probably comes from the 'compliance committee' they set up in the wake of the taiwan situation.

Alternatively, they have put these restrictions in place now for another go at the chinese market, but that can only be proven by future events, and strikes me as unlikely with how they were already treated.

>>5068360
You can still watch HoloEN without the "Age restricted" warnings or member-only chat. One of Gura's stream got age-restricted due to frequent cursing. If you go to twitch, top chuubas are age-restricted.

>>5068858
That stream did not get restricted due to cursing. It got restricted because it displayed a man being disemboweled. I think I know the exact clip you watched that made you think that, too.

>>5068504
Gura and Ame are very close that they enable each other.

>>5064390
>They want to be left alone.

If you're talking about the spamming, and this was an actual reason, then cover management is composed of literal retards, as the remains of those spammers are simply going to move on to another holomem target, that being Fubuki. Even 5ch and 4ch can see this.

Wouldn't put it past them desu, but I think at least Yagoo would intervene in such a situation if that was a driving factor

>>5062753
It's not just about vulgar content. Cover has all holos on a very tight leash now. Even Kanata and Pekora who are extremely family friendly have had projects shut down by management. The thing is Cover is becoming more and more preoccupied with assuming control of the brand's image and Coco doesn't fit their ideal portrait of a holo idol.

>>5066341
If she does return, its going to break records again. The return of the dragon queen... it would be glorious....

yes I know the thought is almost as delusional as those aloe return dreams, but i will not take meds and will continue to dream for now

>>5069356
Kanata and Peko were working on a snuff film. I'm not surprised they got shut down.

>>5068735
Youtube allow a lot of things but sponsors are a sensitive bunch who are always ready to pull out at the slightest hint of bad PR.

>>5062585
>Or is it still up to theory?
what with a simplified chinese translation of her graduation and her last live being on the ccp's 100th anniversary - a MASSIVE insult - i'd say it's all but confirmed

>>5069514
literally anything is a massive insult to chinks

>>5065752
Then you'd know that all the Hololive talent is various levels of pervy and crude. Some are just able to hide it better than others. Even Sora has hinted at some risque shit, face it the only reason skitsos hate on Vshojo is because it's "dubbed" vtuber and you cunts finally understand how cringe your oshi is.

>Shut up
>Take your meds
>Enjoy your fuckin chubas.

>>5066863
/vt/ will never forget, You can bet your ass on that. We will remind them for decades, because we're fucking autists.

>>5062753
this exact reasoning was posted on /vt/ before she did her members stream. Huh I wonder why she even knows about the management narratives when nobody's talking about it but /jp/ and /hlgg/

>>5069356
>Pekora
>extremely family friendly
Don't tell me that people are taking the Hero of the Children stuff seriously.

>>5069710
I don't know what Pekora you've been watching, but she is easily one of the most family friendly holos.

Is everybody a newfag or does nobody realize that the start of the overzealousness was not the chink arc, but the holocaust?

>>5069356
>Pekora who are extremely family friendly have had projects shut down by management.
that project involved making a live concert with hololive holograms but they consider it risky

>>5069912
I've heard 10 different versions of this project and never saw a single source.

>>5069859
Nah, Holocaust only caused permission paranoia. The Taiwan shit is what caused a full blown paranoia.

>>5069912
Risky as in potential controversy or risky as in expensive with no guarantee it'll make it's money back?

>>5062585
She has an NDA on her ass, what do you think?
even if time passes she would have moved on already and probably never reveal the real reason.

>>5069952
risky as nips getting sick of japanese cold and corona

>>5069859
What does game permissions have to do with Coco's restricted content?

>>5066863
“I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe,” Coco says. “HoloLiveCN on fire off the shoulder of HoloLive moments. I watched New Year's Eve countdown stream in the dark alone in my room. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.”

>>5070002
I think he might be talking about the change in Hololive as a whole with them becoming tighter.

>>5064296
Yeah, maybe things will be different in a couple of years or so but if Cover attempted to get back into China any time soon there'd be backlash from both the CN antis (who won't have forgiven or forgotten by then) and the JP/EN fans (who would see it as a betrayal of Coco.)

Beyond that it's a little awkward to try to (re-)expand into a market where the platform you do all of your business on is banned- that's a major reason why it made sense to pull out of China rather than sacrifice Coco to appease the antis in the first place.

>>5070002
It's around that time that Cover started giving a shit about what holos can or can't stream in general. It was not too long after the first permissions shock that Asacoco got its sanitization check requirement, leading to its first break. The first big sign that Coco's content was in conflict with what management wanted.

>>5069482
Dunno, sponsors seem to give other idiot streamers a shitton of money. Should be even easier for Cover to negotiate deals since they're a company but they're Japanese so the language barrier is probably painful.

>>5070227
The problem is what image they're trying to sell their product as. Cover wants to get into the idol market, so they have to play by those rules.

>>5070142
>It's around that time that Cover started giving a shit about what holos can or can't stream in general
Asacoco 1.0 was cut a whole 2 months before Holocaust because retards on twitter thought that hanging PPT was a suicide joke you newfag sperg.

>>5070334
I said first permissions scare, for a reason. The holocaust didn't just happen out of nowhere. It started with a few random streams being privated here and there.

Once cover gets genshin permissions next month you'll know why

>>5069710
She is super loud and obnoxious at times but behaves like a perfect cartoon character in and out of character. Of course there is more depth to her when she talks about serious stuff but that is definitely not a defining trait of her. You will see her most of the time super engaged with her chat and having a blast playing cool games

>>5062850
COVER HATE

>>5069514
How can it be the CCP's 100th anniversary when they weren't in power in 1921?

>>5066863
>Slowly and surely, she will be forgotten
Nah. Kiryu Coco perfectly encapsulates the recent vtuber boom, the reasons for it, and its epicenter -- 2020, western pandering, and hololive. It even fits its decline if the content restrictions really do squash the creative freedom of vtubers in general because Susan finally noticed this subculture. If there was a 4 Kings Era, you can call this time period the Dragon Era and most in this hobby would understand what you mean.

If this is true then its clear why haato has been having so many problems lately. If it pushes her to finally leave as well, it may cause an awkward aura among the talents. I know ame likes to be creative with her streams and I hope this doesnt take her aback.
Hololive has felt so comfortable until very recently and it worries me that this might be the first nail in the coffin. Cover needs to be careful because if the talents dont feel safe to create content and leave, or stop working as hard, hololive will grind to a halt. Its a fine line with making the talents want to stay and produce good content and making the sponsors want to stay but they need to find it and stick to it if they want to stay relevant.

>>5062753
Based Cover pushing for more a more idol experience.

I must say there are two things about her leaving; A trigger and the catalysts.

The TRIGGER is most likely restrictions, impediments or delays to what she wanted to do asacoco the most visible thing but I believe she wasn't CONVINCED to leave at that point. You see, having a ton of good friends and being respected in your niche must feel fucking good, placing myself in coco's shoes.
The CATALYSTS are "minor" things like management being japanese no one wants to take responsibilities so they have committees for everything, slowing down anything that needs a compromise like acquiring permissions for a game or licensing a song to cover or having a fucking scrutiny department that avoids rhombus gura... and things outside of Cover's control bugs existing. Thus I think coco MIGHT have stayed longer even if she was forced to not to be another vshojo

>>5070668
Even if that means not making as much money as they could. but now im sure thats out of yagoos hands and into the share holders and committee members hands.

yagoo had a dream. and it sucks that other high level management might ruin it for everyone.

>>5063859
She said in her members stream that she had no desire to join any other orginization.

>>5070668
Haachama is the odd case you see? Marine behaves as she please to give an example. However, haato is the odd one because of another thing and that is herself. She is in a precarious position concerning her identity and deciding what the fuck she wants to do when she grows up. She is technically an adult but has drifted here and there since she joined gen 1. It is no wonder her videos are so weird and she couldn't handle being told no A toooon of times too
Her taking an indefinite break is a great chance for her to think about her life and what she wants to do with it because being a cute anime girl won't last forever. I trust she would have gotten a ton of good connections in the entertainment industry by now (three years yesas) if she were convinced to work IN the entertainment industry, chuuba or not.
In other words, saying AAAAAAAA COVER FIRST NAIL IN THE COFFIN makes me think you are not really a fan of haato. If you want another explanation of the same, consider the girls' freedom until now was because Cover had no fucking clue what to do with themselves. Until now. And if girls like coco and haato enjoyed freedom, it was because Cover wasn't doing the job they were supposed to, until now.

Of course, I would LOVE if they accepted the girls gimmicks as part of hololive's brand but it just didn't work. And about more girls leaving and cover getting stagnant, besides coco and haato, who else do you think will leave because they cannot say nasty stuff or do schizo videos?

>>5070814
Coco was actually perfectly fine with creative differences with management and even agreed with them. Or at least during that time. Right now she pretty much indirectly confirmed that when management made her antis mods it was the last straw for her. A shame really.

>>5070668
lol I remember when amelia said she asked jenma if she wanted to brainstorm ideas with her for creative streams and jenma told her she was hired to play games so just keep doing that. she didn't let it deter her though.

>>5062850
cuck

>>5062850
faggots like you is why youtube is as gay as it it thanks to that Susan cunt

>>5071208
God I hate Susan

>>5064149
Do you truly think a company of Old Guard Japanese and chink board members would do anything less than fire and dishonor someone that told them their 'way' wasn't right? It took 2 rice cookers and MacArthur to convince them their leader weren't Divinity...

>>5064345
changs are in no position to call anyone subhumans get nuked chang

>>5071142
>She is technically an adult
She's technically a minor in Japan.

>>5069981
>NDA
There is a time limit on that shit, bro
We will get the whole truth eventually.

>>5070900
Yeah, if she wants to keep streaming she could do well enough for herself independently, considering that her old channel immediately jumped by ~200k subs after she announced her graduation.

>>5067787
>Ame just swears and gets "angry" for clippers.
>Coco does injecting drugs into your ass and another chuuba sniffing it from there and getting high from it
>Its as the other anon said - night and day
Honestly, I would watch Ame if she was like Coco. But I don’t think management would allow it, or a Coco-like person in Holo EN Gen 2. These are sad times.

>>5066985
>redditor
>anituber
You made my point for me.

>>5071324
hmm... but do you have anything else to say? The post was kinda large. Also go watch polka's live2d update it's GREAT

>>5068148
You will be pretty angry if Gura did a Coco later and quit, because we know what channel she will go to, and the name she will resume.

>>5067585
Imagine, someone finds out you're japanese.

>>5071325
https://www.nishimura.com/sites/default/files/tractate_pdf/ja/74298.pdf
I am yet to find a source that says NDA MUST have an expiry date in japan

>>5062753
thot wants to do degenerate content to gain more simp bux

hope she dies,gawr is pure and wholesome

>>5071366
>I don’t think management would allow it, or a Coco-like person in Holo EN Gen 2. These are sad times.
Could you imagine the seethe on this board? They'd say it spelled the end of Hololive and start spamming about VShojo.

>>5071449
No, just kneejerk nitpicking. Also, Polka's update is good but it still feels weird to me for some reason I can't quite explain. It's probably just a matter of getting used to it.

>>5069752
Ah, an EOP.

>>5071514
Roger. Risu is kinda weird in my eyes, but I guess I was too used to how... I don't really want to say bad :D

>>5071532
Ah, the easiest reply when you have no argument. Not the case though.

>>5067787
>Ame just swears and gets "angry" for clippers.
well that confirm you dont watch ame she is very subtle with her insults

in this stream she managed to turn the table in the nips joke and call coco niples dark chocolate that was funny

Not one week later and people have already forgotten what their lying eyes showed them over the months. This is the sole reason why life in general is shitty. Nothing else.

>>5071499
>Gura is wholesale

Cope.

>>5071645
Gura is pretty wholesome. Only person I'd put her beneath in the gen is Ina.

>>5062585
She literally threatened to bomb the Chinese embassy before her graduation announcement. Do your reps, you fucking tard

>reason for leaving
some would say, her ikugai

>>5071590
Point, though I should think that'd be this
>>5071183
Also, if not- then how do you figure she's "One of the most family-friendly holos?" Mind you, she's on the upside of that, but 'one of the most...?'

>>5062585
She raped Yagoo

>>5071162
>amelia said she asked jenma if she wanted to brainstorm ideas with her for creative streams and jenma told her she was hired to play games so just keep doing that
Sadly, that’s probably also what management told Gura. I guess that is “safer” content, even if boring. Early on they probably thought Ame and Gura needed to be controlled heavily.

>>5071722
That would actually probably be yukigai because of how that verb nominalizes

But I liked your joke anon, sorry for being pedantic if it's not welcome

>>5071696
>Gura is pretty family friendly
Mostly, yes. The problem is when she slips up and says “cock”, or hints at other dark stuff. She is clearly having some difficulty maintaining it. Before Gura even said word for word: “screw the children”, after Mori was saying maybe we shouldn’t swear. Management probably had a talk with Gura afterward.

>>5071738
Most holos can't go for a full stream without making perverted jokes. That alone puts Pekora on the seiso side comparatively, since she's not a big fan of that. She's also very well-mannered, very good at avoiding giving out polemic opinions or touching on polemic topics, and the humor she brings to her streams is very traditional boke-tsukkomi based, not relying much on anything but the context of the stream itself most of the time. Even her foul-mouthedness doesn't go beyond a "that's not very polite" level. Also, she sounds like a character from a kids cartoon, but that's just an irrelevant bonus.

>>5071499
>pure
actually she is lewd

>>5072051
>actually she is lewd
I think he meant Gura holds back that part of herself. But yeah, she is the most lewd of all Holo EN, just clearly held back quite a bit.

You know, I actually wish Gura would go on Meme Review, because Coco would likely bring out that part more. Might get crazy.

>>5069356
>assuming control of the brand's image
I think this might become a bigger thing than most people realize. For example the Coco's "kon-doragon" introduction or whatever she says. It feels so weird and forced, like management literally went "you need to have this unique intro every stream for the brand". I can take management being like "Yo Coco, maybe don't talk about used tampons on your stream and the type of birth control you use" and say thats pretty reasonable, but shit like "use this opening" or "do these types of streams" just suffocate your talent. Coco is the outlier in that she's more extreme than typical, but I can see other girls (especially in EN), not being a fan of becoming so micromanaged and dropping out as a result.

>>5071780
Gura also said she wanted to start making pre-recorded content like covers and meme videos. Dunno if that's on her or cover though. I know one cover she wanted to just record and throw up for fun she couldn't do because of permissions shit but later she just sang it in karaoke instead.
There's a long process with shit for Cover when independently you can just throw something up if you feel like it.

I heard she's pregnant with twins, I think she'll be a really good mother

>>5064421
>>5064446
>>5071246
Im not chinese you stupid retards

Also coco acts like a literal degenerate subhuman whore, she deserves to be on Vshojo

Kill yourselves

>>5072012
>Management probably had a talk with Gura afterward
Highly doubt it. Gura can swear as far as I can tell. She seems like she wants to but she's afraid to do it. Awkwardly throws out a curse word here and there to maintain her "edge" I guess, but she never speaks like Mori, Amelia, or Kiara.
It doesn't really seem like management stopping her though.

>>5072146
>You know, I actually wish Gura would go on Meme Review, because Coco would likely bring out that part more. Might get crazy.
I wish. She's got two more weeks of reviews, one is scheduled with Shion and the last one is not known yet so there's a little hope.

>>5072364
she is going full fujoshi in her third account

bossy kaicho was an act exclusive for hololive

>>5062585
You couldn't protect her smil

>>5063089
It should be pretty well known that that's what creative differences means. The actual definition is that two people/groups hate each other but still want to end the business relationship professionally.
That seems to be what happened here anyway. Hololive is obviously pushing harder for more traditional family friendly idol content and Coco isn't interested in having all of her project ideas shot down. The structure of the company will be fine for most talents but the unfortunate truth is that not everybody is going to be a good fit for what they're doing so they will take their creative energy elsewhere.
Feels bad that she kept referring to herself as a selfish woman for just wanting an environment with more creative freedom. She will certainly have it after the end of the month though, and her roommate's channel has exploded in subs. Will be interesting to see how things turn out for her as well as Hololive.

>>5072296
>Gura also said she wanted to start making pre-recorded content like covers and meme videos. Dunno if that's on her or cover though.
Gura flat out blamed Cover on one of her streams. She said that she would get an idea for an upload, but the time it took to get management approval was too long, and that she would lose interest and not complete it. I guess each element needed the okay. Gura said she needs to complete the idea right away, like when it comes to her.

>>5072364
kys

>>5072376
Management told them to reduce the swearing. We know this from Mori, who flat out said it’s what she was told. It might be more strict for certain ones like Gura. I don’t know.

>>5072364
(you)

>>5062585
https://files.catbox.moe/cqtm5c.webm

>>5072667
Why would she join hololive if she wanted to continue roommate activities lol

>>5072751
This comes from a fear of youtube demonization, which is something youtube absolutely does and is very fickle about because it relies on a very shitty bot to detect whether people are saying bad words or "coronavirus". Cover is definitely being sensible in this instance because they aren't part of Susan's inner circle of establishment media goons who don't have to follow the rules.

>>5072835
this confirm the yagoo group is controlling the ikue otani group

>>5072886
I don’t understand. Video uploads are done from time to time by many of the Hololive girls, and YouTubers in general, while adding variety to the channel. It’s also a good way to grow a channel because they get many more views.

Gura was just saying that Cover made harder for her. I guess it’s possible that Cover intentionally never got back to Gura because they didn’t want her to do channel uploads? That’s a crazy thought though. Yikes.

>>5062585
Chinese nationalists were already angry at the fact that Coco was bilingual and pandering to the Western audience. When Coco showed her Youtube analytics breaking down viewers by country, Taiwan appeared as her second-largest audience, which included both Taiwanese nationals and Chinese VPN users. This triggered a wave of Chinese nationalists using bots to spam Coco's streams and demand her graduation. When she returned from hiatus, her streams and everyone who collabed with her would be spammed with hateful and threatening language. This led to the HoloCN branch being dissolved, Hololive pulling out of bilibili streaming, content restrictions being put in place on Coco, and her eventual graduation taking place on July 1st, which is incidentally the 100th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party.

>>5072916
>swearing leads to youtube demonization
If some how, Mori swore so much on a video that it lost ads for it, it would still be fine because it’s a single video and she makes a ton anyway. It obviously seems more about sponsorships, children, and avoiding controversy. Swearing isn’t going to ruin anything directly, so Cover has other thoughts in mind.

>>5062753
Your post is detailed enough to make me think it's more than rrat, but doesn't mean she's being truthful on her end.

>>5073095
Chink fans are a fucking trip. There's a clip of Artia getting some big win in a game, Overwatch maybe, streaming on bilibili and she says something like "fuck yeah!" and her chat immediately scolds her for it. She says Coco-senpai can swear so why can't she, but they seemed to expect more from her because she was Chinese or something. Not a group I'd want to try to appeal to.

>>5071822
thanks

>>5064683
touch grass

>>5073192
They literally announced earlier this year that they are relaxing their demonetization policy to allow for "moderate profanity". Just because the algorithm is inefficient and doesn't pick up everything doesn't mean they actually allow people to swear like a sailor. Youtube consistently cripples content creators on their platform.
Of course Cover would want to protect the revenue stream from ads since it generates income over a long period of time through vod views.

it's weird seeing how corporate politics have changed youtube as a platform. for a little while hololive kind of reminded me of the old days but this shit isnt fun anymore. stuff was better pre-EN and pre china raid

>>5062753
>Cover doesn't want hololive to go in that direction.

https://twitter.com/houshoumarine/status/1404046963851423746
https://twitter.com/houshoumarine/status/1404046963851423746
https://twitter.com/houshoumarine/status/1404046963851423746

>>5073747

Expect that shit to get restricted real fast once the chinks and purists start chimping out.

>>5073747
this tweet offends me

Never forget Kaichou was a true....

https://files.catbox.moe/xwhifw.webm

>>5073747

>>5062585
>Twerking
>Shaving pubes on stream
>Reddit
>Vshojo tampons jokes
>Has a boyfriend
Remind me why Coco graduating is a bad thing again?

>>5073425
>Ame swearing as much as Coco would harm the channel.
No it wouldn’t, you’re just an idiot. If somehow allowing more freedom lead to slightly less income, it would still be worth it for most people. In fact, many more people could end up subscribing. For the most part, Holo EN has been in decline. It was sort of saved after the outfit stream, but is falling back into decline again. If anything, the bland family friendly contemt can get boring, causing less money as more people leave.

>>5062850
Why do faggots like you suck Cover’s cock so much? I’ll never understand

>>5073916
you're a faggot who browses 4chan all day yet loses his mind when a vtuber makes crass jokes

>>5073942
Because Cover keeps the hoes like Coco on a leash, if anything Cover needs to crack down harder.

>>5062753
sounds like one of those forced statements.
a few of the holos commented on a subscription spike drop as it is

>>5073982
Dilate tranny.

>>5074005

>>5074050
Vshojos thread is over there fag.

Yes, of ALL the Hololive talents, many of whom are either less stable mentally or physically than Coco, have taken far more breaks than her, are less successful, and despite most of which constantly pushing and pressuring themselves to provide a good stream through their ingenuity with likely some challenges to their ideas, for some reason Coco is the one who decided to leave, and just because of "creative differences"? Now that's some blue pill thinking.
>>5065359
This seems right.

>>5063741
Take your meds

>>5074005
Just don’t watch Coco then? If you think boobies or sexuality is evil, that’s fine, but not everyone thinks like you. There are others to choose from.

>>5064200
You will never be straight and white Anon

>>5074060
your oshi sucks and fucks penises on the daily and no amount of seiso roleplay will eliminate that fact

>>5074022
So you admit he has a point, and therefore all you can respond with are non-sequitur insults?

>>5065359
>coco leaves
>chinese collabs and promo deals kick in
>collabs and promo deals ease down over time
>coco comes back slightly altered and named Koko and more dragonlike
this is the only path to forgiveness

>>5074122
My oshi isn't in Vshojo fag

>>5074131
What point? Hurr durr you must like Amy Schumer humor. Fuck off fag and dilate. I'm not listening to unfunny reddit whore humor.

>>5073916
I'll ask you politely yet firmly to leave. Unicorns are not welcome here

>>5063965
>it kind of shows me how bland Holo EN can get by contrast with Holo JP.
That's really just Coco though (and haachama). Also, Ame was perfectly able to keep up with Coco.

>>5073916
Coco is an incredibly hard worker and content creation pioneer. She is highly respected by her peers in the industry. You are probably watching your oshi, assuming you even watch vtubers at all, because of the exposure, growth, and legitimacy that she gave to the medium. Her graduating is the final warning sign that vtubing is no longer the free form of expression that it once was, and everything that follows will be the same corporate, sanitized, soulless, China-approved content that is no better than what you might see on daytime television.

>>5074193
Unicorns run hololive, as seen by Coco and Aloe graduating. Seethe more.

>>5074177
You're managing to be entertainingly incoherent, I'll give you that.

>>5074198
I was watching vtubers before Coco even started faggot. Not everyone got into the medium cause of the reddit dragon like you did.

>>5074201
Well you're not welcome here. Go back to rreddit with your unicorn friends

>>5074201
You'll run it right into the ground.

>>5074228
>reddit
>unicorns
Lol, how about you go back. Reddit are the fags that hate idol culture. Seems like you'd fit in well there.

>>5074117
lol that's a new one for me

>>5074131
It’s actually kind of funny how people with his viewpoint always seem to have the lowest IQ. So much so, that it stands out from the rest of the thread. They are part of the “boobies bad” group.

>>5074255
I literally have an engineering degree faggot, seethe and cope.

>>5074286
Can you at least tell us which ones you DO like?

>>5074286
But you cannot seem to defend your position at all. It’s just all ad hominem.

>>5074255
>They are part of the “boobies bad” group
Well they still beat their penises to the pure Hololive idols until the skin is raw. Every day they write fantasies about how bad they want to fuck them. Some guys can't get off if the girl is open with her sexuality, despite the fact that they know in the back of their head that these are grown women who lust after other men.

>>5074342
What position? This is entertainment faggot. Everything's subjective. I find whores disgusting, you obviously like them, hence the disconnect.

>>5074286
>engineering degree
That explains it. Engineers are most schizo motherfuckers I've ever met

>>5074375
>I find whores disgusting
That’s your argument? I’m not sure what you mean by whore. That Coco is having sex for cash?

>>5074286
kek, go to bed Mohammed

>>5074372
It’s actually hard to say if they’re the same people in those threads. I think it’s possible they believe that behavior to be sinful, and try to prevent thinking in that way (like no fap people), they don’t want the girls to get them horny. Just a thought. Might explain why it makes them so angry? Don’t know.

>>5073916
>Mama marine is a saint
Hololive never were seiso to beging with

>>5073916
because none of those things are bad and "being like vshoujo" is just a vague complaint pulled out against things that I don't like

>>5071696
Come on bro you gotta pay for the membership streams. It's like Sen straight to the veins in a cuter needle.

>>5074702
>It's like Sen…
Not even close:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc2Q4d1DbRw

>>5073747
Conveniently ignore the fact that Marine never brings up the horny meme on stream anymore. Mori has agreed to cut back swearing. Matsuri doesn't play around with the Lolicon or pee jokes anymore. Haachama nearly had her schizo arc nuked entirely. There is a multitude of other YAB content that doesn't make its way into streams anymore. I suspect they are still in the process of dialing streamers back and they haven't brought the axe down on promotional materials that only end up on Twitter yet.

>>5074702
I've been memebered since day one but I haven't watched one of her members streams in a while. I think I saw the karaoke before the most recent one and before that the last one I saw was that drawing stream she did where she drew crazy frog's dick.

>>5074813
Based, once again, unicorns run Hololive. Better get used to it fags, Hololive was and is always an idol company.

>>5065359
Content restrictions - Yes - Also if you guys aren't paying attention in what the other girls have been doing. Nene 3D Idol concert. Vark Idol concerts. Okayu 3D concert, Aqua 3D Idol Concert. NEGIU Idol sub-unit creation with a fucking official Twitter https://twitter.com/NEGI_U_official, A-chan Teasing new original songs in the making, Subaru recording an original song, Luna and Marine participating in an Idol concert and the Hololive Idol Project Radio with Eng subs. If this isn't a brand push I don't know what is.

>Harassment
Yes. It drew a lot of attention to her. Micromanagement from Cover was obvious. I remember her manager freaking out when she said she will do a meme review with her Boyfriend. I mean, she must knew she's not really showing a real person but her reaction tells me that her manager is always on edge.

>Other members getting spammed
I see a little embarrassment on her part every time she collabs and the other person has to turn on members mode. But I agree that she puts firsts her relationship with the girls a lot

>"Protect my smile" possibly depressed
When you are boxed in and can barely move, getting depressed will enter in It's not like she can entirely blame Cover nor herself. It's just the state of things. She has the perfect pov of how things work on a management's perspective and as a creator's perspective. That's why she is like this. Haachama and how she reacts to the restrictions is purely her understanding of things on her own pov as a creator.

>>5074921
The girls are beginning to quit over it. I know to you that is good, but it is already having a negative impact on the company. Also no one could explain why it’s good for to have such extreme restrictions, only that the girls are “whores”

>>5074193
Remind me please, what's a unicorn in this context?

>>5075097
If it's good is a matter of perspective. The best allegory I can think of is when WWE went PG, many people complained that it made the content boring but there is no arguement that it turned WWE into the wrestling entertainment powerhouse that it is today. Hololive wants to be the WWE of the vTubing world and unfortunately, like WWE, family friendly is going to be needed for the next level of growth to get there.

>>5075097
there's this thing called akb48. girls quit all the time, they get replaced, life goes on.

The zhangs didn't win, the idolfags did

>>5062585
She's leaving because Chinese got butthurt about Taiwan

>>5075454
WWE is dogshit

>>5075653
Who's arguing it's not? But name me another wrestling promotion that can fill a stadium with 100k people.

>>5075454
WWE has been reclining ever since the Attitude Era.

>>5075700
That's good for them. I don't doubt anyone here knows Cover makes the decisions they do because they want to make more money. That doesn't mean people aren't going to say it's garbage.

>>5062585
Biggie smalls and Tupac’s ghost came to her and told her to leave. Simple as that, anon.

>>5075596
these girls are marketed as an idols and people are surprised that idolfags run this shit.

>>5075794
doesn't know*

>>5075816
Not surprised, just disappointed. For all the Cover EVIL rrats it ends just just being the banality of the classic media company "welp business is too big now time to sanitize all our content"

>>5075816
Not really. Pretty sure Hololive attracted a lot of people who have never been into idol shit before. Most of their content is just playing video games and talking.

>>5075868
The reality is often boring and mundane. There are no big evil corporate men oppressing Coco because she's American or causing the Taiwan yab. Simply because they wanted to advertise the brands to pretty much all age group and thus sanitize it to the maximum.
Some Holo are okay with that since their content leans more towards chill, family-friendly atmosphere while some are juvenile but nothing above Shounen Jump level of edgy or sexual content.

>>5062585
im over it already. Coco is basically dumping cover because she's too ambitious.

Let's be honest...She's probably joining VShojo.

>>5075952
I mean they did beat the shit out of her in the most Japanese way possible. Placing heavy restrictions is what they do instead of just firing you because they want them to leave themselves. Capcom just did that shit to one of their longtime directors recently. I suppose that's why Haato is still with the company despite her constant breaks.

>>5075954
>Coco is basically dumping cover because she's too ambitious.
coco is nobody before hololive and she'll be nobody after leaving hololive, unless this >>5075954

>>5076043
*unless this >>5075985

>>5076025
To add on to this, I don't think it's because she's American. I agree that it's because of the direction they wanted to take the company in. It's hard to deny that the Taiwan shit was the catalyst. Cover lost an entire market and decided to put Coco on an extended punishment where she couldn't do collaborations in order to "protect" other talents.

>>5076065
>VSHOJO INTRODUCES THEIR NEWEST VTUBER. RYUU MOMO
>"GOOD AFTERNOON FUCKFACES!"

>>5076043
No see you don't understand. You're nobody. Coco will just have a reduction in audience size. There's a difference.

>>5062753
You need to understand. 6 year old Takeshi should be able to watch hololive without being exposed to vulgar things.

>>5076043
Also if she moves to twitch, the harassment will be easily handled.

>>5076115
Fuck Takeshi, specifically. He'll probably just end up getting herpes from a Soapland later in life anyway

>>5062753
Is this rrat real, please help me. I've been spiralling ever since her announcement and cant tell whats real anymore

>>5072012
If I’m remembering correctly, the full quote was “screw the children, I’m worried about youtube!” EN management only cares if it gives Susan an excuse to fuck over the channel, other than collab autism and the usual permissions bullshit.
>>5073192
>>5073930
Kiara is the most foul-mouthed HoloEN and she’s redebuted twice after youtube kept fucking with her channel. The algorithm is a crapshoot that’s guaranteed to screw you over in the worst possible way.

>>5076203
It's the only legit one as far as I know. Likely in combination with: >>5065359

>>5076254
I really don't think Kiara's channel getting shadowbanned and nuked had anything to do with that. During that same timeframe there were a few other completely unrelated channels that I keep up with who also got fucked and they have no vulgar content at all. There was some weird YouTube issues at the time.

>>5065359
Naruhodo

>>5065359
>>5069359
The Sora thing makes me think she may make occasional surprise guest appearances at special events although I think a return to a full time streaming career with Hololive is more-or-less impossible in the current climate.

>>5068360
>Ame's debug has her drugging the viewers.
The Watson Concoction hasn't been a thing since her debut. I recall she mentioned once that she got in some trouble because management was concerned about the allegory to drugging and it has barely been mentioned since. Asacoco also got cut in a similar manner.

I'm KFP and even I think Kiara seems to be holding back lately. Early on, she was talking about shoving Bananas in her ass and leaned ultra hard into the hard-gay shtick but the last month or so, she's been pretty quiet on those fronts.

>>5070644
4 Kings Era is known as 1st gen vTubing. Hololive and Niji are 2nd gen. I think Coco's departure marked the peak of 2nd gen vTubing. It will eventually give way to 3rd gen, whatever that ends up being.

Because she doesn't enjoy streaming for Cover anymore. Simple as that.

>>5076144
For YouTube its also just a matter of time. The question is twitter.

>>5076864
The industrialization of vtubing. Permissions are no longer an issue as they only ever stream partnered games and minecraft. No more graduations - voice actors are replaced on regular intervals without informing fans to ensure a constant stream of revenue. Streams are pre-recorded and checked by managers before upload to ensure quality. Only superchat reading at the end is done live. No conversation is allowed at any point between the vtuber and fans.

>>5076802
>>5076864
Corpovtubing is the new era, it's really not surprising, as every media/content/hobby that have potential to be monetized.

>>5073930
You will obviously ignore everything contrary to your own speculation so believe whatever gay shit you want to. Doesn't matter to me.

I'm going to continue believing that she's going to restart as an indie the day after her graduation, and have so much love and clout behind her that hololive can't afford not to collab with her, and nothing really changes besides she is happier and better off

>>5077529
Anon....

>>5077728
I'm doing my best to be positive and smile.

>>5077410
This is what they were before. They were all scripted and VAs are replaceable. It changed because the VA Kizuna Ai was being replaced. People reacted differently because they liked the VA and the avatar. That's why we have graduations and terminations because you can't replace the VA anymore. It's pretty much the same with Twitch where the personality brings in the crowd but with Vtubing, it is intermingled. the Brand, the personality and the Avatar brings in the crowd. 3rd phase of Vtubing is basically them attempting to push themselves into Mainstream media. Showing up more in big games, televisions, doing more concerts. Better 2D and 3D stuff. Just look at Polka's 2D update. that shit is legit.

>>5062585
Just see all the chinese deals that BY PURE COINCIDENCE the girls are getting, this >>5062753 is just a ocver up, it's more than obvious that Coco is getting killed for those delicious sponsorships, now go buy your redbull.

>>5066985
I didn’t care about this fat Asian POS until he went on a crusade against my favourite movie joker (2019).
He was unironically saying it’s going to cause mass shooting and all dumb shit but then when nothing happened by the start of 2020 he was saying things like Joaquin Phoenix was a dangerous maniac bc he kicked a bin when it wasn’t in a script (yes he says it unironically).
All I gotta to say to him, YOU GET WHAT YA FUCKIN DESERVE!!!!

>>5067526
There are no "standards". Some Vtubers graduate and leave their stuff. Others delete it. It depends entirely on the company's policies and/or the talent's wishes. Izumo Kasumi left her archives up when she graduated; Sephira Su did not - her company was folding. Some of the high profile indies that got into agencies obviously nuked their old stuff since they would be redebuting under a new identity. The old Domyouji Cocoa has her archives still up, the new Domyouji Cocoa is using her identity but on a different channel. For Hololive this is their first actual retirement that wasn't brought on by scandal or other circumstances.

>>5073747
i remember yagoo mentioning that marine isnt for kids, doesnt that mean that he accepts it? though i feel like there's a much higher power that prevents these things to go further.

>>5075097
>it is already having a negative impact on the company
Such as? Sponsorships are at an all time high.