/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

They're boring.

I never started.

>>50387915
picrel

Goddamn, NijiEN’s viewership fell off a rock after a year.

>>50387915
Watched the only one of those that mattered. Missing Pomu being an idiot in vr should be criminal.

>>50387915
Shit like this:
https://youtu.be/Vt60J6r-sHA

Saw "A", never left. JP only now though.

I didn't, Rosemi is cute

They lost their ability or interest in hiding that they are all Torontonian liberals who hate people like me.

>>50387915
Wrong board. You should've headed over to Bilibili, the ddoxsite or wherever sisters stay instead.
The majority of /vt/ will just say >>50388148

>>50388364
Ame moment

>>50387915
>What made you stop watching nijiEN?
Never did, watched few clips at the start, but nothing really caught my attention.

>>50387915
Aside from maybe like 20 people, nobody here had any interest in NijiEN, besides maybe Pomu, Rosemi, Elira and Petra. Majority of their audience is nyfco, which isn't surprising, considering majority of Niji talents are active there.

>>50388397
Ame is more based than all of NijiEN combined.

>>50388335
I don't get what is wrong with that? A girl having celebrity crushes...just like 100% of girls?

>>50387915
Her termination.

Too much drama

Pomu is too depressing
Selen and Rosemi are fine
Enna kept getting dumber and dumber and is probably where the rot started
Never spent too much time on anyone else, most of the other girls are dreadfully boring and I don't watch male vtubers

>>50388697
Pomu needs to leave that shit company.

>>50388577
They posted a clip of the girl literally no one watches

>>50387915
Even since Aia posted her pre-debut tweets

I still watch Pomu, Elira and sometimes Rosemi.

>>50388733
She does but its not like there's much of an alternative, Zaion had nothing to gain in Nijisanji and nothing to lose by leaving while Pomu get most of her audience there and still makes a shit ton of money

>>50387915
Finana educate yourself. Zaion drama. I seriously despise ch*nks and them sucking Xi's dick. Oh and their female fans, the worst of the worst. Makes Selen's fagoons like normal fans in comparison given how fragile she is. >inb4 list of Selen mental breakdowns

tl;dr most members have awful attitudes due to Niji's quality talent screening

NijiEN

>>50388697
I legit used to to enjoy Enna but she really fucking sucks now. Even taking all the drama aside she's just become really unfunny.

>>50388155
Nina is surprisingly decent.

>>50388895
She was pretty good when she was playing stuff like Detroit and Resident Evil. Her reactions to games combined with her incompetence were funny. But I never really cared much for her chatting, her I am so depressed and detached from everything and totally don't care front she puts up wore thin fast with me.

>>50387915
I still watch them
This board is chock full of consensus seeking pussies

>>50387915
Rent free

The fanbase, Zaion's termination, and the endless yabs they all have.

I still watch NijiEN the same people I always have Elira and Pomu mostly. Rosemi and Selen sometimes. Finana and Petra occasionally. Never really got into anyone past the first two waves.

Elira just released a new cover. It's good give it a listen!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCBuvMHw6T8

>>50388335
Damn she's genuinely insufferable to listen to

>>50387915
They're difficult to support. Even in an industry known for being fairly exploitative of both talents and fans Niji is genuinely something I'd rather avoid.
I'm a moralfag. So what. AnyColor isn't getting any more of my support until they dramatically improve. I just hope Sophia will hang in there. She deserves better than Nijisanji.

>>50387915
Same reason I stopped watching Holo and vtubers in general: too many restrictions, most of them are ungrateful despite having one of the easiest job on the planet and overall, they are just pretty boring. These days I rather just watch Jerma and Vinny.

It's because of the increasing number of female fans who like to ship and talk about the males.

>>50389815
>increasing number of female fans
Is this opposites day or something? Most of the popular guys have dropped anywhere between 5-7k viewers.

>>50388155
/thread

>>50390162
The ratio is increasing at least on this board
Like 90% of the nijiEN fans on this board are women now

>>50390162
Yeah, all the boys are down to like 1/3rd of their viewers compared to this time last year. The kpopsisters have moved on to Glave and that Thai boy vtuber group.

>>50387915
Pomu strong

>>50390555
its getting to the point where if things carry on like they are before long it will be the girls that are more popular than the boys, i think half of Luxiem only has a CCV of like 300-500 more than the likes of Pomu and Elira this month

I love Nina Kosaka, but its very hard for me to watch her now, knowing whom she associates with and that in supporting her I am supporting the 1%.

>>50390906
are you larping as a commie or something?

>>50387915
They stopped giving a fuck about male viewers and actively pushed us away.

So, I stopped watching.

>>50387915
Hearing the same pog/sheesh/based and other Twitch/Discord lingo "jokes" regurgitated ad nauseum regardless of which talent's stream I was watching got really annoying, so I started watching small corpo and indie chuubas instead. I still like some of them, but it seems like the company has gotten to be something like a clubhouse for VTweeters now.

>>50391127
>>but it seems like the company has gotten to be something like a clubhouse for VTweeters now
Depends who you are talking about I guess. If it's the males a lot of their streaming times have really fallen off. If it's the girls they still stream as hard as ever for the most part. You got people like Scarle and Elira sometimes putting in up to 50+hr weeks. Pomu and Selen or whatever often being 30+hrs a week.

>>50390162
NijiEN is kind of fascinating in this aspect. Manjisanji is usually law in that company, and while the male talents have gotten away with a bizarre amount of shit, the female audience somehow ended up being extremely fickle. I wonder if female unicorns are actually real and they just left after becoming disillusioned with the males being shipped with or flirting with females on stream, and the male talents going on more breaks than females in other corps do.
So now we're in a situation where everyone is unhappy. And that's not even getting into talents like Hex/Kyo/Luca who do not help the perception of male vtubers at all.

>>50387915
Discord leak revealed that they're all jealous snakes who deserve to writhe

>>50387915
I only really actively watch Maria, and slowly stopped watching the others. The amount of problems this (black) company has is taking away my interest.

>>50391460
Probably worth bearing in mind too that a lot of their audience that made them that popular could barely understand them. For most people, unless they are like deep in love with the vtuber, there is surely only so long someone you cant understand can keep your interest. I think the same kind of thing happened with EOPs and watching HoloJP to some extent. It used to be that many of their chats were full of English comments a few years back and not so much anymore.

>>50391351
I should clarify, I meant VTweeters moreso in regards to the kind of talents they seem to have drawn in. Some of them feel like very uppity, go with whatever the popular consensus on something is, and then be really obnoxious about it both on and off stream to show everyone how morally upstanding you are, even when you're incorrect, kind of people. Like with Finana, Kyo, that gay purple nigga whose name I can't remember, and Enna.

>>50387915
Stopped watching regularly after around Iluna. I think it was because of the breaks. Unironically I only look forward to Nina now if she's streaming interesting games; or if there are interesting collabs.

I watched pomu sometimes and was excited to watch her try AC7 but she was obviously forcing herself to stream it and pretending to like it when it was plain as day that the game was a chore to her and that kinda bothered me
Since then I only checked her first stream of death stranding and her having to mute the game right off the bat because of the music instantly killed it for me as the music is a very large part of what makes DS enjoyable so I just went back to watching twitch vtubers that don't have to deal with all that corporate autism

males

>>50391666
vtweeters is usually used as a term to refer to vtubers that are more active on twitter than they stream, i can see where you are coming from with those people i guess, although its never really concerned me that much because i never really bothered watching any of them

>>50391835
I understand the confusion, I should have specified a bit more. I was mostly thinking about the kind of mindsets and behaviors some of them have. I'm still subscribed to the ones that I liked, but dropped my memberships and I'm a dead sub, because it feels like there's always something better that I could be watching.

>>50387915
I don't support those who bend to the tranny agenda.

>>50387915
I was one of those idiots who unironically thought that Ethyria was the best gen they've ever released because I liked the edgy, crass and indecent jokes (and I still do enjoy these kinds of jokes occasionally).
My favorite was Enna.
Things started to get sour after the first males.
Interest was almost gone after the second male wave.
Completely stopped caring after the wigger let himself known.
Checked Zaion out because I was an unironic genshinfag (gachafag in general) and we all know how that turned out.
Went back to indies + HoloJP.
>muh unicorn
I don't mind male collabs, what I don't like is flirting and constant innuendos.
>have sex
I'm ugly and a dicklet, probably not going to happen.
>touch grass
I go out everyday.

>>50392113
Fair enough I guess. Personally I've really been enjoying a lot of NijiEN content recently. I've always liked Elira's long JRPG and VN playthroughs her reactions to the stories and how engaged she gets in it all are entertaining so her ongoing play through of 13 Sentinels and her finishing of the Xenoblade 3 DLC recently were fun for me. And Pomu's playthrough of Heavy Rain was hilarious for me I was laughing so much through that, her playthrough of Death Stranding seems promising too besides it sucking that she can't play the copyright music in it. Rosemis GTA IV playthrough has been funny too when I have caught bits of it. There's been some good music stuff too recently new Lazulight new song, Pomu and Elira duet, Elira solo cover. I feel like I have plenty to keep me amused.

>>50387915
>Pomu over 2k on a game I've never heard of
>Doppio almost 1k, beating out Ren
>Aster above 500
The only sad one here is Aia...
Yeah, I'm thinking Niji is back.

>>50392799
>coombait buff game still below 1k
>some kusoge
FLOPSOLEIL averaged above 1k for all of them pre-dramabombs. That's a decline if anything.

Imagine them selling you an idea and the moment the idea is questioned, they flipflop around like some fuckin betas.

I would fuckin kill for my family if needed, they dont. Fuck em.

I watch Pomu and Selen often, and I've heard that they are in Nijisanji.

Love numberfags cuz
>Bae can't get above 4k on anything but meme games
>Kiara hasn't reached 3k on half her streams lately
>Mori can't reach 5k unless it's a fotm
>Ame rarely reaches 5k anymore
>Faunas last stream peaked at fewer viewers than her JP stream

Then if you check vrabi you can see that Kronii is down at least 1k viewers from where she was this time last year. Mumei is down about 4k (minimum) from this point last year.
The problem is far from Niji exclusive but I would like to point out that pomu as of right now has more superchats than any member of council and this month alone has pulled an additional 3300+ through streamlabs.
But I understand that numbertrannies stopped counting money as a means of judging someone's success because council started getting beat by a literal 3view, so take that as you will.

>>50387915
>Millie being a cock sucking slut
>Vox mentioning his masturbation habits and being a total manwhore
>Frequent new waves of boring livers
>Livers with irritating voices like Selen and Enna
>Pomu and others wanting to suck Luxiems' cocks
They're actually worse than Vwhorejo, I stopped supporting them even though I love nijiJP. I honestly hope they terminate their EN branch. Coombaiting disappointments.

>>50387915
I get that this is a hate thread and all but being serious the following
>parasocial fucks yab
>Luxiem being straight male repellent and taking over the company and killing off solo streams for a period
>secret group chat yab
>zaion termination and kyo backstabbing yabs
>general shitty small drama
I could list the 2% drama but I was already done with them after the zaion and group chat yabs which happened basically back to back. The group chat where a bunch of them thought it was a great idea to start shitting on each other publicly was punch one in a one-two punch combo.

>>50393137
I wonder how much they personally earn in total after pulling so much donations.

>>50387915
when they release ethyria. seriously who thought an entire group of wannabe stacies was a good idea.even started infecting lazulight and obsidia with their bitchyness.

>>50388170
You’re an idiot
Pomu’s first week went to as low as 190 viewers when she was playing Link’s Adventure

>>50387915
nina's debut marked the beginning of NijiEn turning into a twitch whore branch.

>>50393417
It's about 50/50. Which is better than superchats by far streamlabs has no cut so it's just pure money to both the talent and the company. According to Pomu it's a little bit under voice packs for revenue split and it's theorized that vps are about a 60/40 with talents getting 60.

Overall ccv is a useless metric but it's the only one numbertrannies have because nijisanji started outdoing hololive in every other regard. They stopped counting subscriber growth as a metric of success when luxiem debuted and reached 1 million subscribers after being culled multiple times and council still haven't. It's pretty sad when you have to move goalposts constantly because that's the only way you can win.

>>50393613
he's obviously talking about the past year
they've fallen back to pre-luxiem levels

>>50393705
I did stop watching after luxiem and Pomu hitting 2k on a zatsu was rare

>>50387915
I hated Kyo's voice so much the thought that he could randomly pop into anyone's stream made me stay away.

>>50387915
Went downhill fast after obsydia

>>50393902
Thought I would look at the actual numbers. 8/10 girls that were there before Luxiem have better averages this month than the month before Luxiem. Compared to the peak popularity last summer most of them have dropped viewers though Somewhere between like 500-1k viewers for most of them eyeballing it.

>>50392619
let me give you a fourth bit of advice, stop playing genshin you strange fuck

>>50388490
>their audience is nyfco
>>50388395
>wherever sisters stay
So the people shit talking my oshi is made up of jealous girls? mmm... I wonder how many of them are into hate sex.

>>50394858
before luxiem raids weren't existing on youtube

>>50387915
Is joining a corpo the ultimate signal that you fell off in your past life or didnt have the final steps needed to succeed on your own?

>>50387915
When they added males and the girls collabed with them

>>50393613
>>50393705
>>50394858
I did a little bit of research myself

According to vrabi she's lost around 1k viewers since last year, which certainly isn't a great thing but mumei this time last year was getting 10-20k viewers and lately can't even hit 7k without a collab or Minecraft.
Ame was hitting 7k minimum on her streams with some peaking at upward of 13k for stuff like Minecraft.
In the month of may, Ames top Minecraft stream didn't even hit 8k.

Pomu's top stream of may 2022 was mgs at over 4800, which is impressive but mgs was mainly greynames, a more accurate depiction would be her spicy food challenge at 4009. Her top stream this month was death stranding at a little over 3k. Even if you want to count mgs, that puts her at less than a 2k decline. In comparison, I'd say that the death of NijiEn has been greatly exaggerated and if anything, hololive seems to be hemorrhaging viewers. You can feel free to take the medians if you want but I'd put money on the math showing that hololive has had a far greater loss in viewership than any of the girls.

>>50395126
The girls in NijiEN haven't lost all that much. I would agree with you there. But the guys? Come on Vox was getting like 10k medians last summer and now he is at 2.5k.

>>50387915
Homo here and I stopped watching after Iluna took a shit all over the branch and the preferential treatment Kyo gets

>>50395239
wait what preferential treatment does kyo get? i seriously haven't heard this one before, like he doesn't get more merch than anyone else? he hasn't anything particularly special that i can see

>>50393688
For everyone's benefit, I wish there was a more holistic metric actual stats analyzers (not numberfags but people actually serious about this) could use to measure a vtuber's success. Something that does use ccv, but also accounts for subscribers (sponsors look at this the most), watch time (heavily weighted in the algorithm), superchats, streamlabs, merch cuts, sponsorships, partnerships, cross-promotions, and more. Because holding up just one metric as the end-all-be-all of success is just silly and myopic.
And I'm not saying this to be pro-niji or whatever, many of the NijiEN talent would still lag behind in a holistic measurement. But it would help to shine a spotlight on vtubers that have succeeded when all else seemed poor or against them, talents like Kaela and Scarle.

>>50395381
You expect too much out of the monkeys who populate /#/

>>50387915
they are nijisanji

>>50387915
Nothing, I stopped watching Hololive because they're boring as shit.

>>50387915
I still watch Pomu or Elira sometimes when they're playing a game I like. It was less that I stopped watching NijiEN and more that I never cared about a lot of the other members. Every time I'd look they're just playing a game I couldn't give less of a fuck about or doing some other content I don't like.

The general feel of NijiEN isn't really a comfy one. I don't care about a lot of these people nor do I like the way how a lot of them act. Every time I check out their debuts when they're new, it truly does feel like they just hired a bunch of people from Twitter. Like a bunch of teenagers who feed off of edgy or shit jokes and drama. I didn't like that feeling, which is why I never bothered keeping up with almost all of them.

Pomu plays a random singleplayer game and gets into it, it's fun.
Elira plays a random shitty JRPG nobody cares about and gets into it, it's fun.
That's it, I'm good with that. Any new potential NijiEN members would have to be somewhat quality for me to like them, and they haven't been able to get that with a lot of the newer members. Keep in mind that level of quality I'm talking about is a very low threshold to meet, and the newer members can't do it. I just don't care. Their humor, their style, their interests, it's all boring shit I don't want to invest time into.

>>50387915
I haven't nor will I stop watching them. Unless Enna, Reimu, Pomu, Rosemi and Maria all leave. And yeah this is with knowing about the 2% shit. I don't like it whatsoever.

>>50395699
>Rosemi, Maria
both got Luca'd
>Enna, Reimu
whores
>Pomu
out of content

>>50393137
Pomu only has more SC than council because she debut earlier and streams a lot more. On a per monetized video basis, she loses to everyone in council in SC except for Baelz.

>>50395236
Oh I don't disagree that the boys fell off hard but I'll be honest with you anon, most people /here/ never watched the boys in the first place. Granted though, the boys earned enough in their first year to where they have streams dedicated to dining on $5000 fish eggs. Luca alone gets several thousand dollar streamlabs donos every month and vox has over tripled the amount of superchats earned by council members.

Overall I'd say they just go on to prove how useless of a metric ccv is, but we knew that clear back when gura was getting quadruple the viewers of Kiara but Kiara was regularly earning more money through superchats.

>>50390939
maybe he's this guy?

>>50395236
vox’s asmrs have definitely fell off but his gaming streams were never popular. its better to compare last year’s mysta and luca to get a better gauge. even then, luxiem’s outfit reveals got numbers that show people still care about them, but no one is watching streams anymore. this is a general trend in vtubing as covid restrictions lessen and people go back to work

>>50395861
That's a whole lot of words to say that council have fallen off.
You can justify it however you want but at the end of the day, there's a reason why numbertrannies stopped counting any sort of metric that started to showcase the cracks in their "flawless" system

>>50396017
>luxiem’s outfit reveals got numbers that show people still care about them
they were botted, just like all the luxiem collabs
>this is a general trend in vtubing as covid restrictions lessen and people go back to work
the "covid" cope that doesn't exist for any of the JP streamers

>>50396017
no its definitely more than just asmrs most of his streams were in the 8-10k range back then

>>50396133
if it was botted then why would they ever lose viewers? they could still do the same shit now

Most NijiEN talent fundamentally fails to be "full package" for me. Nina Kosaka is probably the only one I'd say is "full package" for my tastes.

The Vtuber scene is overcrowded and there's no good reason to watch anything less than "great" streamers. On an S/A/B/C/D/F tierlist, I'm not just saying to ignore D and F, I'm saying ignore B and C too. There's more than enough S and A tier talent to completely fill every waking hour of your life.

There's a lot of B talent in NijiEN and that got them far but it's not enough8xxygh8xxanymore.

>>50396096

>>50395861
You're forgetting that NijiEN also uses Streamlabs, which for some livers (like Pomu) is thousands of extra donos a month not going towards that SC number. So if anything, that difference should be much greater.

>>50396192
>if it was botted then why would they ever lose viewers?
whoever is doing the botting only bothers with the collabs for some reason. They are also doing it to the holostars x hololive collabs. And they hijacked that one Niji channel for their crypto scam bullshit.

>>50396328
Yeah the difference is greater once you add in how much they earn from merch too right? The holo girls make way more...

>>50387915
Oh yeah, I did use to watch them years ago. But after graduation of the ones I watched, they just became irrelevant outside of making fun of nijikeks /here/.

>>50396133
Nta but jp just has a more loyal audience. As I've shown multiple times in this thread, hololive themselves showcase how much of the en audience in general has fallen off.

>>50391693
Shina want snu snu

>>50396315
>gets more per stream but still loses to a NijiEn member
Sorry m8 but you can find ways to cope all you want, but truthfully it just adds to the point that nijis death is about as far from the truth as you can get.

>>50396403
Depends, do you consider merch purchases a donation like SC and SL are?
If NijiEN didn't have SL, those donos would be sent in as SC instead.

I found vtubers more in line with my preferences. I still watch Nina, but I've dropped about three others.

>>50396518
the reason the Niji girls stream so much is because they earn less. The Nijis that actually do earn a lot (luxiem for example) has behavior quite similar to holoEN and streams much less frequently with long breaks

>>50395861
Streams more, therefore makes more money. This is a bad thing.

>>50395381
>>50393688
>Overall ccv is a useless metric but it's the only one numbertrannies have because nijisanji started outdoing hololive in every other regard
Why do Nijisisters lie that often? Even if we are to ignore CCV
>Less views per VOD
>Less views per streamer if you want to look at groups as a whole
>Much fewer merch sales if the leaked Selen's merch was an indication
>Lower total subs
and
>luxiem debuted and reached 1 million subscribers after being culled multiple times and council still haven'
CouncilRyS was, and is still being culled sub-wise on daily basis according to Irys.
I meant, sure, if you want to "win" by being the grinder group who prioritize quantity over quality, feel free to go ahead. There is a reason why nips tracking sites track CCV first and foremost.
People picked CCV because of one simple thing: it's a simple, easy to understand metric. WYSIWYG.
Leaving the cull asides - which is more favorable since Luxiem is much less culled than HoloEN or NijiEN females, mind you - 1 CCV = 1 person watching your stream. Higher CCV = more people are being interested your stream. Nothing more, nothing less - a great metric for the horse race, if you want to put it coarsely. That's also why Cover asks their applicants for their peak CCVs, not subs, views or donations.
Other metrics are either affected by multiple different factors so you can't just simply say "Oh, X is more popular than Y because X has better <metric> in general" without analyzing each and every factors; or simply don't reflect how popular a streamer is or how well they are doing at all (i.e: SC after we found out how corpo chuubas had been making millions from merchs)

>>50396133
>botting
rumao
>JP audience
the audience that watches EN vtubers are NOT the same as the JP audience and you know it. VTubing is still a niche in the west that is largely looked down upon, and western fans are known for their disloyalty, unlike JP. JP vtubing will never die because of how integrated it’s become in the content creation/gaming sphere, but EN VTubing is still its own bubble that people have already lost interest in. (I know small corpos are rising, but i mean that the 2020 popularity will never return)

>>50396701
Did you ever consider you might have the causation reversed? A fanbase only has so much money between them. Therefore streaming more will reduce how much you get per a stream as the same amount of donations gets spread over more streams.

>>50396893
the "covid" cope has been thoroughly disproven, the drop in numbers has no correlation to the ending of lockdowns at all

>>50396961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gBjiMSkZlM&t=16620

>>50396968
Either way, interest has dropped regardless

>>50397035
did you reply to wrong post? this isn't related to the conversation

>>50393653
Twitch whores pull better numbers these days

>>50397083
>top viewed NijiEN girl
>"can't afford a car"
lmao

>>50397129
That's just Enna's chink genes compelling her to donobait

I watch Doppio whenever he plays something interesting. I like games where he has to read. It is good for him to stream RFA but I am not watching. He's a good guy.

>>50387915
The whole zaion thing.

>>50397129
The conversation was about how much money people make per a stream. You were saying that people stream more because it makes more money. I was asking if that is really the case, a fanbase only has so much money between them, so you can imagine a situation in which streaming more just spreads out the same amount of money over more streams, like no matter how much you stream your fans only have so much between them to donate to anime girls. And your response to that was "lol enna says she is poor", its not relevant to the point we were discussing.

what do you mean? they all still have more than 100 viewers?
NijiEN is thriving.

>>50389742
Cringe. At least watch good fleshtubers.

>>50397495
tbqh they are all doing far better than i ever expected a nijien to do before nijien was a thing, based off every single one of their past overseas branches being a flop nijiin, nijiid, nijikrr

>>50396840
Luxiem got culled a shit ton and probably still are to this day. Ccv is a flashy metric but it doesn't really make a difference between the amount of money you make or how successful you are as a chuuba.
CCV may be asked for because it's an easy metric to use to filter 2views and 1views but as you said before the other metrics are all behind the scenes shit that we don't see. We see maybe a fraction of what everyone makes because the thing is even if we totally believe that a dramanigger who claimed to have insider information from a chuuba who got booted before she was able to sell merch, merch is far from the only thing Niji has to offer with a 50/50 cut through streamlabs, of which luxiem makes thousands upon thousands each month from, voice packs, which luxiem makes thousands upon thousands from, then we have things like convention appearances and meet and greets which sell out as soon as they're announced and sponsorships, along with cafe shit.
We have no idea how much any of that makes and never will unless we end up being chuubas ourselves.

CCV is a pretty useless metric, as are 90% of the metrics we see because it's impossible to judge a talents success based off of the information we're given.

But there is one thing that is definitely for certain, if you want to count CCV you should take a look at hololive last year in comparison to hololive this year. Almost every single girl in en has experienced a drop in viewers over twice that of NijiEn.

>>50387915
them just generally acting like assholes, which made me feel like an asshole by association.

Numberfagging outside the containment thread needs to be a bannable offence.

>>50397696
This.

>>50387915
I was already getting bored during the Ethyria debut period, and the rush of collabs with Luxiem after that finished me off.

>>50396968
It really hasn't. The second lockdowns ended even hololive fell off hardcore. Hololive went from being consistent 5 views and making so much per stream that they turned off superchats for streams because the fanbases were warring over which country could send the most akas.
Nowadays EN has a total of one person who is a 5 view and she's also on break constantly.

>>50387915
I never was an avid viewer of NijiEN, and I never expected them to be some sort of HoloEN V2, but with every new wave things just got worse. Now instead of checking 1 or 2 streams a week, I watch maybe 1-2 hours combined in half a year. Why? It just feels like NijiEN is what you'd get if you combined Twitch culture, Fifty Shades of Grey, Twitter's cancel/LGHDTV culture, black company practices, a Mexican telenovela, and MAYBE threw in a few good people in the mix for shits and giggles. It just feels like they have everything I tried to get away from when I started watching vtubers, and it's not like they're doing questionable shit 24/7, but you simply don't know when shit's gonna hit the fan (again). And yes, I'm aware their business practice is "find a vtuber that fits you", but the problem is that you may be watching girls doing stuff and then the next minute a member from Luxiem pops into their DC (or MC server) right after his oiled up rape asmr and starts questionable conversations with them. There's simply barely any separation of content between NijiEN vtubers, and unfortunately, the "feel" their whole branch gives off is not a positive one overall. Conversely, HomoEN and HoloEN interactions (collabs) feel way more professional in that matter, and aside from 1-3 collabs a month and general management cross-branch shilling, they mostly keep to themselves which is good for both of their fan bases (except for beggars).

>>50398224
The one saving grace is that thanks to all of the complaints last year, and the death of the original Minecraft server, those impromptu male dropins have all but ceased to exist. Now if you're watching a solo Pomu or Elira stream, they've dedicated themselves to keep it that way. They tend to do a better job now of labeling open VC streams in their schedules too. The most you'll see of random dropins now are going to be with Pomu getting on VC with Nina whenever she's playing Metal Gear.

>>50397850
HoloEN declined because of Tempus, look at the chart. The moment Tempus is introduced, they start declining a lot.
NijiEN declined for similar reasons. The male audience started leaving ever since the males were introduced. However this wasn't obvious because of the massive influx of female fans. Recently the females fans have been leaving, so now we can see the wreckage that remains.

>>50397600
I thought I would look into the real numbers for EN girl recline in HoloEN and NijiEN from comparing this month to the same month last year.

>>50398439
The girls for NijiEN for the most part have about the same viewers now as they did before Luxiem if not slightly more though.
>>50394858

>>50398224
>but the problem is that you may be watching girls doing stuff and then the next minute a member from Luxiem pops in
Even at its worst this was never enough for me to see it as a major problem. The amount of times this actually happened in any individual girls stream you could count on one hand with fingers to spare.

>>50398665
Thanks anon. I was just guestimating but it really does look like hololive have experienced over twice as much of a drop in viewership in comparison.
Honestly both companies need to get their shit together before things get even worse

>>50398765
nigger you do know the raid function on youtube didn't exist before them right?
you know they get raided all the time now right?

took a while for the ndf to get here

>>50398926
As a day 1 Pomie, It was really bad for Luca barging into Pomu's streams at least. For the past year though, that has all but ceased completely and has been fantastic.

>>50398665
What the hell happened to Kiara? Gura doesn't stream, Ame had her "improve yourself" moment, Ina was also MIA for the longest time, Mumei has her personal problems, Kronii had her woman moment, Mori probably lost some due to Tempus collabs, but Kiara? What that orange chicken do to lose half of her viewers?

>>50388155
It really was great until this

>>50398665
What the hell happened to Kiara? Gura doesn't stream, Ame had her "improve yourself" moment, Ina was also MIA for the longest time, Mumei has her personal problems, Kronii had her woman moment, Mori probably lost some due to Tempus collabs, but Kiara? What did that orange chicken do to lose half of her viewers?

>>50399212
It wasn't really that bad though. Legitimately I think Pomu had a male come into VC when the stream wasn't already a collab beforehand at like 3 times ever.

>>50395841
i used to like Reimu until i found she's only Vox sidekick, i hate that faggot.

>>50388897
She needs to move from her house...

>>50387915
I still watch pomu from time to time but just the way that niji is. the whole enna group, disappointment with some of the members (elira,enna,the reaction to the situation about zaion) and overall how shitty the company is just made me slowly lose interest on most of the members.

>>50388148
This.

>>50387915
When they added males and now they’re almost solely who the girls collab with. A good lazusydia or all girls collab feels so much fucking rarer now. I still watch Pomu solo though occasionally.

>>50387915
i never watched nijien
i only watched selen
selen doesn't give a fuck about niji, i don't give a fuck about niji. i will only watch apex collabs

>>50387915
I never stopped. I only dropped Luca and started watching an even more retarded blonde (picrel) and Pomu.

>>50398224
As much as I don’t really like Tempus, I like how they’ve kept collabs with the girls a rare thing. Mostly satisfies both people who don’t like those collabs and people who want them to exist. Thing is with NijiEN, you’re more likely to get a mixed gender collab than one that’s not. It’s ridiculous

>>50387915
I only ever really watched a few of them regularly. I unironically fell off mostly because of how the community and company acts. I also got collab fatigue where it was 100 people to listen to in one call none of whom I could hear clearly. I was also never going to commit to watching and caring about 25 members who were released within months of each other, I've got shit to do and other vtubers I like already. It's a big ask.
And for as much drama and shit there is with other companies and indies it's bizarre how Nijisanji operates on another level of bullshit.
Still tune in for Pomu, Selen, Elira, Rosemi and Nina semi-regularly but it's dipped below a few hours a week at this point.

Everything went downhill after Lazulight.

When Elira recommended a feminist book as a 'must read'

>>50402733
I think you are confused. She recommended a gay romance novel.

>>50387915
Unironically Luxiem's debut.

I'm going to keep watching Pomu, Selen and Nina despite the drama and maangement faggotry that has now encapsuled NijiEN, just like how I will keep watching Ina, Kiara and Bae despite the EN branch being treated as second-class citizens in multiple ways and multiple members having a 'mask-off' moment one after the other.

At this point however I'm watching more small indies and corpos than either NijiEN or HoloEN at this point. Jp still seems fine however.

>>50403078
Big surprise there, the fujo likes gay romance.

>aia is lower than every tempus

>>50398665
Yikes, NijiEN girls already have low numbers and cant really afford much more drop before they become 3view. Not a single one above 3k wtf.

>>50404529
Be honest, even if some were above 3k, you would still be saying the same thing and move the bar up to 4k

>>50404604
Being honest here, I could have used 2k and say only 3 NijiEN girls above 2k, but I didn't.

>>50387915
Luxiem
>>50388155
tpbp

>>50398926
stop the cap sister

>>50404604
>>50404693
Love this interaction
> You're being arbitrary, you would just raise the bar if they performed better and still claim they were doing poorly
> Nigger i could LOWER the bar right now and they would still all be failing

>>50399051
>twice as much as a drop
You have to remember that hololive had bigger numbers overall so a larger drop in those numbers doesn't always equate to a larger percentage of the viewers lost. Even gura, the largest CCV loss in terms of size, has lost 17% in comparison to the rest of hololive losing 20% of their viewership overall with kiara very obviously leading the pack, rip. Nijisanji, while having smaller drops in CCV numerically had lower viewership overall, so they're running 30%, if you round up, 31% total losses with a number of people like finana out here basically running death camps in her chat.

>>50398665
Can you put that into percentages and rank them again?
3,6k doesnt hit as hard for Gura as that 3k for Kiara for example.

>>50405411
Still more fans are being driven away from HoloEN than are being driven away from NijiEN. I wonder why so many more fans are abandoning HoloEN girls than abandoning NijiEN girls, what are the HoloEN girls doing wrong?

>>50387915
I went into a Pomu stream a whole back and had to leave after she went on a tangent about Fulgur for ten minutes and I was left there asking myself 'who??' Same for the playstation showcase the other day when some unfunny fuck turned up halfway through.

Just fucking read those titles too. If I could ignore that shit it would be fine, but they're so interconnected and become big parts in these girl's lives and career development. I had gotten used to a smallish group of friends with a cozy familiarity and in quick succession it exploded to this huge roster of people. More and more ugly shit keeps coming out each day that makes it hard to support them.

I just feel left behind. And it's irreversible. It's not like when Calli had an awful Jump King arc or whenever a vshojo girl goes on a react content streak.

>>50405458
Yeah super easy to manipulate data to work in your favor.

>>50405511
Tempus collabs and lack of streams

>>50398665
yike, SEAnogs, SAnogs and mutts really have the attention span of a gold fish

>>50387915
Hololive is a thing. Why would I have ever needed to watch Niji? They're simply irrelevant. And that's before all their drama.

>>50405607
Correct me if I am wrong but the girls at the top of that list don't do Tempus collabs.

>>50405552
Just look at Finana in that calculation. She is a 3 view and lost half her audience. And I am saying this basically as a Nijinig.

>>50389030
> I am so depressed and detached from everything
The irony is that I’m actually like this, which is why when I talk to people I try my hardest to actually give a fuck. Funny enough, it’s caused me to make friends with shitty narcissistic people at times. But after the last one I decided to be introspective and think about which of my past traumas have caused me to have mistaken assumptions about other people that made me tolerate behavior I really shouldn’t have.
If I were a vtuber, I’d talk about that. I’m sure the viewers would love to hear how an economics textbook helped me learn how to socialize better. Certainly more genuine and probably funnier than Enna’s schtick.

These threads always have the same people writing the same fakeposts where they make it glaringly obvious they're threadreaders with no actual horse in the race yet they diligently reply to every single one of these. Why?

>>50395334
Dude is allowed to tell his co-workers to post IRL selfies on Twitter, gloat about it, divert people from his Kyo account into his roommate account, shit on his co-workers on his IRL twitter, call male homo's pedophiles and call Enna's entire fandom cucks

Any other person would have gotten suspended for even ONE of those things

>>50404273
>out of top 20 EN vtubers, 7 are NijiEN
>/vt/ considers "dying"
If NijiEN is dying then all of EN vtubing is dying.

>>50395334
Kyo’s rm liked tweets shitting on Zaion when liking tweets that talked shit about the company was one of the reasons NijiEN gave for firing Zaion. I guess it’s not technically hypocrisy, since the charge wasn’t liking tweets shitting on a member, but the company. Though it’s still kind of fucked up that a talent gets less protection than the corpo, even if it is someone who’s suspended/about to be fired.
Also, Kyo made some jokes about Zaion during Hex’s birthday stream, I think. I believe he and Enna also stayed in the call for far too long and Hex had to hint several times that they should go.
I suppose all of that isn’t evidence that the corpo aren’t enforcing their own rules per se, but it is evidence of how much shitty behavior you can get away with if you get along with the managers.

>>50405511
>Still more fans are being driven away from HoloEN than are being driven away from NijiEN

Nigga, I already explained shit. That's not really how it works. When you're done watching "talents" your black company do you just go bash rocks together to keep yourself entertained?

>nijien talking about how their morale is at an all time low
>t-t-t-t-t-t-t-they aren't dying! nothing is wrong!

>>50406601
Gura

There's exactly One (1) NijiEN member I like and she's the only one I give a fuck about and care to watch. I'll watch her collabs too but sometimes the "NijiEN humour" makes me just click off the stream and then watch the vod later when I can just tap right arrow to skip.
The moment she leaves is the moment I'm free of NijiEN (JP is still good though to me.)
That being said I don't know if I'm contributing to a good cause by supporting her, not in the sense that I don't want to support her, but I don't want to support nijiENs continued existence.
I've come up with a few things such as direct gift mail to the office and what not, but after the whole 2% bullshit, it wouldn't surprise me if sending it to the office means she'll never see it at all.

>>50406533
That really is how it works though. HoloEN is losing more fans than NijiEN. Thousands more people have stopped watching HoloEN than have stopped watching NijiEN.

>>50397572
This may just be a rrat, but I think the difference is that Nijisanji entered all those other markets first (or were the only one to do it) while Hololive started their EN branch first.
My theory is that by Cover opening the door first, NijiEN could find a niche as the anti-HoloEN. Or that Hololive was the only corpo important enough to open the door and let smaller corpos (and Niji…) to have a niche. Or perhaps a mix of both.

>>50406601
Liver morale low because the company keeps on shitting the bed with retarded decisions, like how they handled Zaion's termination, the youtube strikes against false/khyo, completely fumbling the AR Live announcement, etc. Things that the livers themselves have no involvement in.

Nijifags have done so much damage the the community with all their small man syndrome, petty remarks and bashing of other communities. They think they could drive more attention and fans towards them by doing this but instead they just drive people out of vtubers as a whole.

>>50387915
>YAB YAB YAB all the time gets mentally draining, they reached me even when I spent less time /here/
>Constant flirting during collabs making me feel like a third wheel
>Guys appearing out of nowhere while watching girls' streams and derailing it for 5 minutes
>The obnoxious fujo fans
>Kyo
>Some of them (Pomu) sounding depressed as fuck while streaming
>All the black company shit
>One of my oshis got burned at the stake
It just isn't worth it at that point.

>>50406860
Them doing this also drives away fans. Causing management to make more retarded decisions based on numbers and public perception. Endless feedback loop. No Nijiliver has the balls to call them on their bullshit.

>>50387915
went into post-luxiem nijiEN expecting chronoir and rof-mao 2.0 but all i got were unfunny twitchfaggots and socially inept losers salivating at the thought of fucking their female coworkers. and then they act surprised when their fans fuck off to watch people who can at least pretend not to hate their audience

>>50406994
>>lool nijien is dying just look at their numbers
>actually holoen has lost twice the amount of viewers
>>well, uh, um, that's nijien's fault too!
bravo holobronies

>>50398439
>the girls can collab with whoever they want
Yeah, I know. And I’m fine with that because I’m not a unicorn. But the difference is that in JP, most of the girls are considerate of their fans and either make sure there’s plenty of what most of their viewers want to watch, or they factor in the recline beforehand and find ways to deal with it like Towa.
With EN, Tempus’ debut made it clear that some of them have no clue at all what it is people watch them for. I’m half tempted to think some of them seriously thought they could drop the avatar and still have viewers as long as the blue Dorito was still attached to their name.
Though desu I think everyone’s realized it now. But the fact that they had to go through the collab spam arc to figure that out and didn’t already know it from the start definitely turned me off. Bae is the exception to that, of course. Unfortunately she doesn’t get good views for reasons that I believe aren’t directly related to the fact that she collabs with males.

>>50406321
I mean if 2view and 3view small corpos aren't dead there's no reason nijien has to die. But they certainly are losing a lot of viewers. When nijien adds another wave to the pool it will hurt them.

>>50406796
31%

>>50407125
Nigger I'm talking about the community as a whole and was replying to the OP. Literally doing what I'm talking about in my reply. Stop having Holofags rent free in your head and focus on supporting your own livers first. If your efforts were more directed at supporting who you watch instead of watching who you hate maybe you would see more numbers.

>>50407242
What is this weird cope? "but muh percentages" its completely irrelevant to the fact that HoloEN is losing more fans than NijiEN is. That is a fact.

>>50387915
Still watching Pomu and Selen.

>>50388335
was this one the turbocunt sjw?

>>50405511
>>50406796
Makes you wonder to why NijiEN fans are more likely to abandon NijiEN than HoloEN fans abandoning HoloEN.
Are the NijiEN girls that boring?

>>50407331
What’s THIS weird cope? Someone with 10,000 fans is obviously going to lose more viewers than someone with 1,000 viewers if it’s an industry-wide thing. If the one with 10k ccv loses 1000 people in a year and the one with 1k only loses 200 people, that’s still worse for the 1k chuuba.
Are you a holobronie larping as a nijifag, or are you people really this retarded? Do you unironically think Anycolor’s stock price being higher than Cover’s is a win for them too?

>>50406994
>>50407277
It always cracks me up when people come into threads like this, specifically posted to invite people to shit on NijIEN, and start acting all righteous and indignant and holier than thou accusing Nijisanji fans of being the bad guy for apparently picking on other communities so much. Complete and utter lack of any self awareness.

this has to be a LARP
nobody can be retarded enough to fail to understand losing 900 fans and going from 1000 viewers to 100 is many MANY times worse than losing 1000 and going from 5k to 4k
hell, it's much worse than losing 9k and going from 10k to 1000

in one case, you can rest on the laurels of what you've achieved and still have a financially sustainable future
in the other, you have to find a day job quick

>>50387915
I haven't stopped completely, but the whole Zaoin saga really disillusioned me with the entire company. The 1%, the stealth suspensions, and the incompetent snaky management left a horrible taste in my mouth that lingers when I watch a Niji stream. I can't help but wonder if the chuubas I watch are being treated poorly behind the scenes. It doesn't help that a few of them are clearly disheartened by how poorly things are managed.
>inb4 you didn't use the term "livers" so you must be a holobrony!
I watch who I like. That's all there is to it. I don't care about company lingo.
I feel like I'm at an impasse where I want to cheer up and support the talents, but I'm not able to do that without supporting that shitty, grossly incompetent company.
Anycolor intern, I know you're reading every one of these posts. The viewers that have stuck around for this long don't care that there are male/female collabs, the behind-the-scenes drama, or even that the merch is standardized. All of that one is able to ignore or click off of. No, viewers want to see the talents better supported. Give them bigger cuts. Make good on your promises both to the talents and the fans. Crack down on in-fighting. Prioritize your current talents over pumping out wave after wave. You'll get happier talents making better content as well as satisfied fans.

>>50407575
>>50407552
But HoloEN is losing more fans than NijiEN. They must be doing something really wrong if more people are leaving them with how terrible NijiEN is right?

>>50387915
The constant new waves killing my intrest and the complete breakdown of the illusion of that these streamers are friends with each other.

Having Uki in every damn collab

>>50398665
Jesus Christ why Kiara lost so many?
Normally for top to bottom the lose should be proportional to how big you are. But Kiara has the 2nd biggest loss despite being the smallest of Myth.
For comparison Kiara lost twice what Cali lost despite both being from 6k

>>50407331
Why are NijiEN viewers being filtered faster than HoloEN viewers?

>>50407551
Always playing the victim card. Oh sweet little nijisanji fans are always being picked on by these other bullies! It's never our fault!

>>50388591
FREE MY NIGGA COUNT SCAPULA RIKU

Noctyx happened

NTR content

Enna video-calls with Kyo every day, and she even fell asleep with him on video-call
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkd3wT7rQEs&t=22393
Enna does a bizarre stream with Kyo where she repeatedly asks him sexual questions, does furry-sex roleplay, and does orgasm-moans for him. She asks Kyo about her breasts and sings his wave-theme in a sexual voice.
>>>/vt/thread/S49639503#p49642825
Enna does an NTR stream with Kyo and he calls her fans a bunch of cucks. She says "they enjoy it"
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5TnS9vgUaM&t=2874
They hold hands on stream, while in her bedroom.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2th8u38gUM
After this stream, she liked a bunch of NTR comments and even posted one on twitter saying it made her laugh
>https://twitter.com/EnnaAlouette/status/1605295362771628032
In a later stream she talks about getting drunk with him and how he carried her home and put her in bed.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt9TUQQsDFo&t=8141
Kyo repeatedly calls Enna "babygirl" in a flirting moment
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jr-VlWTmxU
Enna does a sex-voice for Kyo and asks him to fuck her. He does a shota-voice for her, and she implies that it made her wet "I was kinda getting itchy somewhere".
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4mT9YuYoeQ&t=8802
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4mT9YuYoeQ&t=10676
Enna spanks her ass for Luca and does a sexual-voice for him
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBdDQdCzcTI&t=18775
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBdDQdCzcTI&t=18848
Enna flirts with Luca and agrees to drive around Australia with him in his car. They also plan a disneyland date together
>>>/vt/thread/S38348322#p38351629
Enna asks Hex to choke her and sends him a sexual voice message
>https://twitter.com/EnnaAlouette/status/1600292918215860225
>https://twitter.com/EnnaAlouette/status/1611186240547586054
Enna goes partying every Friday night and often talks about it on stream. She's usually tired for her Saturday-morning streams because she was up late on Friday night
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_NCgPCYyZM&t=1098
>https://twitter.com/EnnaAlouette/status/1649450705714028545
Enna constantly flirts with Diego
>>>/vt/thread/S49923972#p49930146
>https://twitter.com/PrettyPatterns_/status/1661158144020545537
Enna promises to give her chat "virginity updates" for when she loses her virginity
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKyWsLWHEEQ&t=12240

>>50407681
He says in a thread specifically created to invite people to shit on NijiEN. Like I said complete lack of any self awareness.

>>50407705
hello ennaschizo

>>50407447
Serious attempt at an answer: I think NijiEN viewers were just always less committed. The average viewer who’s willing to watch male collabs is also probably more likely to be a tourist that gets bored and leave. And also, remember that this is literally the company with the “parasocial fucks” yab.
But even beyond that, they act a lot more like fleshtubers than HoloEN members do. Which means they’re more replaceable. Look at this board and see how many chumbuds seethe at Gura no longer streaming instead of just quietly switching oshis. It’s a classic inelastic market in economics. Nijisanji doesn’t have that. The “you’re not supposed to commit to the company, just watch the one you like” ethos contributes too.

>>50398665
> Fauna is the only one who went up even if slightly.
Jesus. No wonder the sisters were DESPERATE for anyything to use against her.

>>50407642
People are twice as likely to leave NijiEN than HoloEN
Seems like NijiEN is twice as horrible as HoloEN

>>50407642
There’s an industry-wide recline. And yes, everybody acknowledges HoloEN fucked up too. Stop derailing, faggot. The argument is that NijiEN has fucked up worse, which is what you’re trying to hide by acting retarded.

>>50407714
Oh and you think these threads created to shit on NijiEN sisters are completely unprompted? You think you're just sitting in your own lane and people are sucker punching you out of nowhere? Like I said, victim complex.

>>50407884
>an industry-wide recline
there literally isn't. There is only a decline in two specific companies: HoloEn and NijiEN.
These declines are happening in a different pattern, for different reasons.
HoloEN because of Tempus.
NijiEN because fujos got tired of the guys being crazy fucks

>>50407705
Lmao poor aloucuck got cucked so hard he dedicates his time hate-watching her in search for timestamps...
Let it go man, either you move on or you'll eventually become a closet cuck to Kyo NTR

>>50407885
Also, baitposts by attention whoring schizos tend to get called out for being bait. The fact that so many non-unicorn anons and anons who still watch one or two people but wrote off the others are responding says a lot.

>>50407984
imagine watching NijiEN at this point, they're openly doing NTR content

>>50407661
cause it's a cherry picked number over a single month
Kiara's average in 2022 was under 5k

Courtesy of numberniggers, hololive lost 50%+ of their viewers since 2021.

>>50408117
Forgot to link the post: >>50068631

>>50407705
My god. At this point, Enna’s audience is probably 1/3 tourists who don’t care and/or don’t watch every stream so they think it’s just a bit, 1/3 people who share Enna’s shitty sense of humor and think it’s funny, and 1/3 actual cucks.
I don’t give a shit if a vtuber has a boyfriend or not, but I’m still going to get annoyed if it’s shoved in my face and leave.

>>50408117
HoloEN*

>>50408223
Seems it's not in the archive anymore: >>/vt/thread/S50063015#p50068631

>>50407444
Yes.

>>50408071
Imagine watching a vtuber for fun. I mostly watch singing streams so what do I care.
I'd rather have them sing with males on stream than them needing to hide the fact that they actually have a bf.

>>50407551
Poor widdle nijiniggers never did nuffin

>>50407331
I know your fucking around, but I really have nothing better to do right now. Consumer behavior is reflected by size. If you have 10,000 viewers and you lose 1,000 vs you have 1,000 and lose 500 then 50% of lost viewership is much more impactful than losing 10% due to the size of the consumer base. One is much larger than the other not in terms of sheer numerical value but proportion. Hololive always had a larger consumer base, so that means there are more people that are going to do a certain thing or react a certain way when things happen. Whether that be the streams become poorer in quality, or there is a trade off to watching the stream, or the streams increase in quality the fanbase going to change their behavior. If only 10% leave then this is rate at which the consumer has decided something else is worth their time, regardless of the total number of consumers that have made that choice. Same goes for the one who lost 50%. This is the rate at which they lose viewership at any size if behavior is the same.

If we scale Finana to Gura's size then she loses 10,780 CCV.
21019 --> 10240 over half the consumer base in total decrease in size which would be disastrous. This is the Nijisanji rate.
So, there you go. You got me sperging out over numbers.

>>50407705
You didn't stop watching them though ennaschizo. You literally spend all day every day obsessing over them and watch every single stream Enna does start to finish even on other peoples channels to collect material for your posts about her and sit on this board all day everyday talking about her.

>>50408544
All this coping isn't changing the fact that HoloEN is losing more viewers than NijiEN is.

>>50408323
here is NijiEN: >>/vt/thread/S50063015#p50069648
In short: GRIM AND GRIMMER

>>50408386
>needing to hide the fact that they actually have a bf
Why the fuck are you acting like this is some sort of oppression? If it were a fleshtuber I wouldn’t give a single flying shit. This is vtubing, they’re supposed to act like anime girls. Obviously, because it’s EN and “anime girl kayfabe” isn’t well-established in the mindshare, they’re not going to do that as well as JP (and probably never will). But how many anime have you seen where the main girl is in a relationship where her bf *isn’t* a relatable self-insert?

>>50408605
HoloEN has also lost more viewers than every single 2view ever. Congratulations, NijiEN is truly in rarefied company.

>>50396968
Nah, there were a lot of kiddies shitting up chats in 2020. They're back at school. and aren't watching streams.

>>50388155
This. Lazusydia can still deliver, but man, it's just not worth all the trouble.

>>50408679
NijiEN lost more fans than some unknown indie who was forced into retirement
what are they doing wrong that the 2views are doing right?

>>50408623
Not really, the girls as a whole didn't decline since 2021 unlike holoEN: >>50394858 Even that chart is showing that 2021 was hitting a lower average than now:

>>50408544
But it is retarded data points to try to extract any useful info from. May 2022 was basically NijiEN at its absolute viewership peak, shortly after Luxiem had exploded in popularity, of course it is going to look bad compared to that. It is like looking at Myths numbers in November 2021 compared to november 2020 and going "oh gosh golly Myth has lost 60% of their viewers, that must mean they suck now!"

Someone earlier in the thread showed the numbers the NijiEN girls had before Luxiem and it was pretty close to their numbers now, so it is more like the viewership has returned to "normal"

>>50408605
NTA, I just wanted to say that not all Nijifans are retarded like this anon here. I was the one who brought up the percentages in the first place. And as mentioned this is not a issue of Holo vs. Niji.

>>50408605
Hololive is losing more people total than Nijisanji, that was never even a question. But from the start of this little exchange my point was this was a poor metric to go by and if you wanted a better means to measure decline then taking the percentage would be the way to go, by this metric Niji has lost a larger percent of their viewer base on average than Hololive.

>>50407447
Doesn't really look like they are. In fact the biggest drop off in viewership for NijiEn is still smaller than 7/10 of the drop offs for the others. It seems like the average HoloEn fan is twice as likely to drop vs the average EN.
Of course that's only in the past year too, if we start to get myth involved things get even worse for HoloEn, vrabi doesn't go back to 2020 or even may of 21 but as October of 21 you can see that ame was still getting 11k people to show up for Minecraft. Her last stream of Minecraft didn't even reach half of that. And you can cope with percentages like
>>50405411
Did but overall it's a much larger drop in viewers, each one of those digits of ccv is a single person as
>>50396840
stated and you're looking at thousands upon thousands of people on a year to year basis completely lost vs at most less than 2k

I haven't watched Niji since the male waves started. Is Petra still alive?

>>50387915
This, happened not even a month after they debuted? if I remember correctly. Branded as for the streets immediately.

>>50408962
>by this metric Niji has lost a larger percent of their viewer base on average than Hololive.
Compared to last year only? Yes, but hololive lost a lot more percentage-wise since 2021. Most of the NijiEN girls are still doing better than their 2021 numbers.

>>50408993
she basically pseudo-graduated to do her masters degree in japan. She does occasional streams now but they're in partial-japanese. Nobody remembers she exists

>>50408993
Who?

>>50409070
>Most of the NijiEN girls are still doing better than their 2021 numbers.
it only looks that way because of raids. They are doing much poorer. Over half of them are in 3-view territory. Back then the only 3-view was Petra

>>50408962
>Niji has lost a larger percent of their viewer base on average than Hololive
Only in specific timespans. Widen the timespan a few months and HoloEN had a a bigger drop

This isnt me saying NijiEN is better or that HoloEN sucks or whatever. I just think this percentage talk is retarded and just the type of thing NijiEN coped about in 2021 when lazulight were slowly inclining from 1k by 50 viewers a month while HoloEN had like an over 10k average and was dropping viewers

>>50387915
>most of lazusydia are good
>ethyria is kinda tolerable (yes, even Enna)
>the rest would individually be shit even without considering their interactions
>I don't like APEX which rules out Selen for me
>Trying to watch Pomu, Elira or Rosemi while knowing they're trapped in the rest of this clusterfuck is just too depressing
God I wish Elira's clique just left the rest to burn in a trash fire and went back to their old arrangement, or better yet got backing from someone else, and that Selen would quit going menhera about predator status. I want so much to see an Elira Selen karaoke collab with full Big Dragon Energy. I also miss Coco a lot.

>>50399129
>the raid cope
lmao, Pomu, Selen rarely get raid, dump holobrony

>>50409305
Slight correction. Aia and Scarle also seem decent, but their chats seem way too close-knit to get in now.

This is what numbers do to someone's brain

>>50409305
>most of lazusydia are good
they became lazy and low effort, also whatever "friendship" they had is no longer present because Finana is mostly excluded
>ethyria is kinda tolerable (yes, even Enna)
you couldn't be more wrong. Every single member of Ethyria shipped themselves with a male member for popularity. They are the whore wave, and Enna is the queen of whores who does literal NTR content

>>50409389
only when you purposefully misinterpret them to cope and/or spread misinformation

>>50409175
2021 Pomu Minecraft: https://vrabi.net/video/Njk2Rmbic68
Nowadays: https://vrabi.net/video/rKXhwj4qr9g
2021 Elira Minecraft: https://vrabi.net/video/u4tsvW8gr-Y
Nowadays: https://vrabi.net/video/NMNh5oKHXZg
Only Finana actually lost viewers.

>>50387915
>made you stop
i never started

>>50409175
the faggot that keeps spamming replies saying their numbers are better than 2021 is completely ignoring every reply bringing up the raid function

>>50409305
lol, look at this cuck, if they don't want to quit then what are you gonna do?

holo beggar thread i guess

>>50409446
They are collapsing so obviously you can always draw a line backwards to some point in the past when they were at the same level.

>>50409116
Good for her. Do we know how she got along with the new debuts? I almost want to say she stopped giving a fuck and is doing what she actually cares about, which is moving to Japan and doing whatever it is weebs who’ve done their reps do.
God knows that “living your best life” doesn’t include “being part of NijiEN and streaming a lot”

>>50388364
>hate people like me
pot and kettle de gozaimasu

>Sophia
Thank god you EOPs fuck off from her stream

>>50409558
>Do we know how she got along with the new debuts?
she doesn't interact with the other members very much. She did an offcollab with Shu and Uki in a hotel room. And met with Luca in Japan

>>50392619
>gachafag
Yeah you're doomed

nijidefenseforce ignoring how their numbrs were already bigger than 2021 during their peak last year, but have fallen back down

>>50409639
Japan is well known for their trains.

>>50409617
>>50389545

>>50388148
spbp

>>50398765
I check them often and their views are way down. They peaked right before luxiem debuted.
HoloEN also went down after Tempus.
Some dropped more than others, the drop is often relative to the size of their audience. Bigger audience=bigger drop. But other factors can play a role too. Finana fucked up big and lost a lot more than anyone else despite a smaller audience.
Males are a debuff simple as. Even small corpos follow the trend Pippa lost like a third of her regulars after many male collabs.

>>50408753
This isn’t related, but I remember reading somewhere that there’s around 20k vtubers in the world total (this was like over half a year ago, so it’s probably higher now). Can you imagine that? There are more vtubers out there than the average HoloEN ccv.
When you think about that, no wonder there’s so many 2view shitters. The odds aren’t nearly as bad as winning the lottery, but it’s still crazy that so many people think they have a chance.

>>50409669
kek

>>50396294
Who would you consider S and A tier chuubas? Including all corpos and indies ofc.

>>50409703
>They peaked right before luxiem debuted
No they really didnt. Most of the girls peaked May-Sept of last year.

>>50409669
Ohh. Good one. Kek

>>50409414
>ethyria
You don't understand, anon. I dislike the later gens for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with >collabs with males unicorn bullshit.
>>50409486
>thread literally about people who stopped watching
>implying people ITT ought to be able to do anything about anything

>>50409836
They peaked with male fans before Luxiem debuted. Then they got inflated with a bunch of female fans while their male fans quietly left. Once the female fans vanished earlier this year, they are hitting rock bottom. I remember Pomu used to get like 35k views on all her streams. Her recent streams are getting like 20k-30k.
Even the 'Lazulight game show' only got her like 50k views.

>>50409540
Only Luxiem is collapsing. The girls (besides Finana) are still fine.

>>50409731
a model is stupidly cheap nowadays and i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these "vtubers" are actually just png tubers
but in any case, the number will probably go down, at least as far as actuve vtubers go
the boom is well and truly behind us, unless something REALLY crazy happens with EN3 or the new Niji wave, or some indie
but if fillian and the jew girls have already fizzled out, i doubt anything from the indie world can revitalize the western vtubing scene

and it's not the end of the world, 3 years in the entertainment industry is a really, REALLY long time

>>50409287
That's kinda it exactly. I love both NijiEn and Hololive but to pretend like it's a problem that exists solely within NijiEn when hololive went from 5 views to getting under 3k a stream is kinda ridiculous.
When you have to convert things to percentages to try to make up for the fact that 6/10s of the hololive members lost over 1500 viewers in the span of a year and have been in a steady decline since 2020, it's an extremely weak cope. Kiara herself doesn't even interact with males and has shown herself to be a strong streamer who is constantly ramrodding people behind the scenes has lost half her audience in a year....it's sad to say but honestly hololive is looking a lot worse atm

>>50409909
>>collabs with males unicorn bullshit.
anon, I'm not just talking about "collabing with males". The actually ship themselves with males. Like Reimu actually started a romance with Vox and even went to visit him in the UK several times. They even have a romance-collab planned later this week. That's not just 'unicorn bullshit' they are actually doing on-screen flirting and shit.
Millie does this the most, literally throwing herself at every single guy. Asking about their dicks, doing lewd roleplay with them. She did it with Ike, Mysta, Vox, Alban, Fulgur...I think even Sonny. She also encourages the other girls to be sexual with the boys all the time. Nina literally had to restrain her to stop her from calling Vox to ask about his cock during their girls offcollab (which was literally titled "girls offcollab" because offcollabs without males is really rare).
As for Enna....i mean wow. She called her fans cucks, did a bedroom-offcollab with Kyo. If you want to know more about all the shit she does: >>50407705
Nina is the one who keeps shitting on christianity, talking about communist shit, and threw herself at the boys. She attended the Luxiem offcollab and you can hear her talking in the next room while vox was doing his naked-bathtub ASMR.

So it's not just "collabing with males" they are actually doing sexual stuff with the males and flirting with them and stuff.

>>50387915
The unceasing stream of uber yabs

But how much money are Holo and Niji earning?

>>50388155
Those chink pandering creeps I get but what's wrong with Ethyria

>>50387915
the Zaion and merch bullshit
i'm not supporting a black company

>>50409964
>they are hitting rock bottom
Still doing better than 2021 though? >>50409446

>>50387915
Well I only really cared for Millie and it turned out that she's a whore.
Shame.

>>50388155
This but also the fact nijiEN has some kind of severely asspained combination of superiority complex thinking they're automatically in the right because they're the most co-ed - the types to say hololive is on the "wrong side of history" etc assuming that their social justicey ethics will prevail in the end. They also have an inferiority complex about people who openly pine for the Lazusyudia as this is tantamount to saying NijiEN was best when it was most-similar to HoloEN and this also goes directly against their motives/assumptions about how things "should" work.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if someone literally said that history is on their side in one of their various discord echo chambers. I will take a tangent here to rant a bit, that this is a common meme-ish line these days, but flatly an erroneous line of thinking - the assumption that fate inevitably bends in an arc towards justice, the assumption that you're as enlightened as can be and the only thing in the way of world peace is that not everyone else thinks like you. Asserting that you're morally superior in every way just-cuz or using "end justifies the means" type shit is exactly the mode of thinking even the most despicable bigots employ. Arrogance is the poison of humanity and NijiEN comes across as extremely fucking arrogant, which reflects in how they regard their audiences so fucking cynically as just marks to farm for BFE/GFE and otherwise to be snubbed and disregarded completely while they go horse around in the playpen with each other on-stream. It's a top down problem, Nijisanji as a whole is just like this.

>>50408748
Finana can deliver? What?
She is part of the trouble.

>>50410837
Also to add to that a bit because I didn't want to make literally a giant essay there, their recent morale problems coinciding with their decline in numbers, taken into consideration with how they terminated zaion with prejudice apparently seeing like her a scapegoat of some kind, look like they're in dismay that their assumptions did not prove true. "How could this be happening, twitter told us we're doing the right thing, oh no the incels are winning this is literally a disaster how could this happen? Oh this Zaion girl doesn't wanna play by our rules? She's enabling them, it's HER fault, slay her immediately"

>>50388155
TPBP
Nina especially was a fucked up hire considering her roommate.
I wish they stopped at obsydia or at least continued in that direction.

>>50409446
Now let's do the same for holoEN:
2021 Ame Minecraft: https://vrabi.net/video/NuMBNglZByo
Nowadays: https://vrabi.net/video/OwaJ2sHGc3M
2021 Kiara Minecraft: https://vrabi.net/video/hkCxCcRcbZo
Nowadays: https://vrabi.net/video/6I-nwfxtlqA
2021 Mori Minecraft: https://vrabi.net/video/TxepfYOKHNQ
Nowadays: https://vrabi.net/video/QsSh_Lscb6o
OOOOOOFFFFFF. The majority of Myth declined even harder than Finana.

>>50388897
>he doesn't know

>>50409446
>>50411115
PS: I didn't include Finana in this because she hasn't done any recent Minecraft streams, but she should've lost around the same amount of viewers percentage-wise as Ame and Kiara. Mori is the biggest trainwreck of them all.

>>50411115
Myth has mostly declined yes but it was generally of their own making for Mori/Ame. Kiara was literally never a huge CCV mark, almost never crossed 10k in her entire history for anything not a special collab. Ame's decline coincides with her starting to treat her audience shittily and driving away her goslings, coincidentally the same kinds of attitudes NijiEN has. Literally the same thing with Mori after her connor/lean arcs too.

I'm getting a vibe here, almost like the girls who act like fucking bitches to their viewers do eventually reap the consequences of their actions.

>>50411242
Do you think anyone in Myth has the same numbers now as they did in 2021?
Does than mean they all act like fucking bitches to their viewers?

>>50410343
>>50411086
The merch shit I already knew/guessed at. But the Zaion dogpiling soured me towards that lot entirely. They all revealed themselves to be thoroughly unpleasant people. Why the fuck would I want to watch cunts being cunts for my entertainment? I deal with enough of that shit at work.
>>50410837
I never formed the thought so concisely concerning this seemingly arrogant air they have, but yes that is a major turnoff. Some jealously towards the holos is understandable, but the sour grapes coping that leads to this sense you describe does not convince me that watching most of en is a fun pasttime.

>>50411355
not him, but from what I can remember of the shitstorms I've noticed in the catalog over the past 2 years:
>mori
>amelia
>kroni
>ina
>gura (not streaming)
all of the above names I've seen in passing as ʾbitches to their viewers" for various reasons or other. so perhaps if you looked at the other holoen's that don't have this rep and chart their relative decline you'd get a truer sense of things?

>>50412027
Also not him but I can at a glance easily say "mumei and fauna inclined" the past year. Irys has also held extremely-similar stats the past year too. Relative to the decline in so many others and people feeling that EN vtubing is on the decline as a whole? Someone who can still hold 2021 numbers no sweat is fighting the trend, and if the trend was more neutral instead of on a down ramp they might have actually-inclined.

>>50387915
I watched them slightly after Ethyria's debut to right before valentine's day last year. I never had a NijiEN oshi and just watched whatever streams I thought looked interesting. But one night at like 2 am with no interesting streams to watch I realized that I was essentially just ruining my sleep schedule for streamers I didn't enjoy that much so I dropped them.

>>50410838
When they stream as Lazulight, she's definitely watchable, since both Pomu and Elira tardwrangle her.