/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>49334980
>Why are they trying so hard to turn this "friend speech" thing into a yab? She didn't say anything incorrect or offensive. The only people who could take offense are either incredibly insecure or false-flaggers with ulterior motives.

It's pretty retarded to think you need to give people a reality check when they are only here for some after-work escapism and want to enjoy their cute anime gf
Shut the hell up, do your job, get their merch and SC money and be happy

>>49334980
Too many parasocial retards in the fandom, same shit for mixed collabs

>>49334980
Because it fits in that stupid big head meme and nobody really checked the last few times.

>>49334980
/vt/ is full of gossiping no-life femcel hens who just want to have catty bitchfights and pretend they're stacies, talking shit about unpopular girls.

>>49335086
This

>>49335086
It’s also pretty retarded to get offended over someone telling you something that’s objectively true. You should work on your insecurity.

>>49335086
>how dare she set boundaries with her clingy fanbase!

>>49335086
>>49335146
2.434%

>>49335086
It was a bad move but the backlash was way overblown by disingenuous actors

>>49335178
I didn't tune in to get a reality check. I didn't ask for objective truths. It's objectively true that Fauna is just a regular uglier than her model woman most likely but we don't talk about that because not everything needs to be reality checked in vtubing

>>49335061
>the first reply is some njinigger whore
hmmm

>>49335244
Of course, like it always is. Fauna shouldn't even have addressed that SC or if she did, done it in a far less stupid way, but people are exaggerating a lot now

>>49334980
>Why are nijiniggers trying so hard to deflect from the death by thousand yabs?
ftfy

>>49335086
>>49335146
>>49335261
If you actually cared about escapism and suspension of disbelief you wouldn't keep posting new threads about it on cooldown
There is no explanation for this behavior other than mental illness

>>49335214
I hate nijisanji too, now what?, can't keep deflecting simpling

>>49335275
Does she have mods? It was really the type of thing that should have been caught.

>>49335086
this is too pathetic

>>49335301
Can you point me to one of these threads I supposedly posted?
I literally only came in here to respond to OP

>>49335301
>nooooo you can't discuss this thing because it paints my oshi in a negative light
Looks like your more parasocial than be, buddy

>>49334980
Imagine a wrestler picking up a microphone and telling you wrestling is fake?
We know it's fake. Everyone knows it's fake. People don't need a 10 minute rambling lecture for that. It's not a deflection. It's not grey names. Actual members who have been subbed for over a year were hurt. But she's drawn her line in the sand now and it's up to them if they want to accept it and move on or be in denial about it.

I'm not sure why this needs to be explained again. If people still can't figure this out, then I'm sorry your brain functions in such a way that explaining the obvious causes your brain to go the complete opposite direction.

>>49335308
Uh-huh, sure thing, nijikek

>>49335275
>>49335301
Exactly, just move on to the next chuuba if you want.

>>49334980
it's the faggots who can't stand the purity of her.
want to drag her down to kronii's mori's level.
we all know it's them cause in 1 day they just gave up. faggots/sisters with no motivation at all.

if you don't get it either you are an extreme autist or have never hit rock bottom

>>49335374
Wrestling is gay and stupid.

>>49335275
>done it in a far less stupid way
There was nothing stupid about it. It’s probably the most eloquent way she could’ve said it. Antis gaslighting the board into believing a nothing burger is the real issue here.

>>49334980
The biggest supporters for the idol who pay to consume her parasocial content probably feel weird about it, remember love and hate are on opposite sides of the same coin and the biggest antis are usually former whales. Imagine being a huge sports junkie and your team's star player takes about how shitty your city is, makes you feel weird about wearing their autographed jersey you bought at a premium.

>>49335427
Post your membership history

>>49335380
Anons need to turn into Vergil for simping, crazy stuff.

>>49335427
A good way wouldn't have given antis fuel to shit up the board for days.

>>49335427
It was definitely stupid. She even said she thinks it's this way for all streamers.
Imagine talking on behalf of all your holo senpais.

bitter nijisisters who want to distract from their shitty company

>>49335449

>>49335372
>hiding shitposting behind "le discussion"
Asses like you are the reason we can't have nice things.

>>49334980
>Why are they trying so hard to turn this "friend speech" thing into a yab? She didn't say anything incorrect or offensive. The only people who could take offense are either incredibly insecure or false-flaggers with ulterior motives.

>>49335427
>Someone asks if she considers saplings friends or simps
>"Well they certainly aren't friends!"
How was this an eloquent way of handling it? She literally chose the wrong answer

>>49335363
If you're here replying to the same threads with the same posts days later then you're obviously part of the problem

>>49335372
She's not my oshi. Literally just watch someone else, or pretend she didn't say it since you're already pretending it's not factually true of every vtuber

>>49335086
Is therapy too expensive for you, buddy?

>>49335507
Impressive

>>49335459
If a JP had said that, they'd be in massive hot water.
People wouldn't appreciate you speaking on behalf of how your senpai thinks with something pretty contentious.

OH NO SAPLINGS DON'T LOOK

>>49335507
Nice inspect element trick, bro.

>>49335415
And so is Hololive in the literal sense of gay and stupid

Simplings...

>>49335374
>uoooohhh wrastler didnt really get wrastled muh immerjunnn

Why do you defend these people?

>>49335560
Old Fubuki looked a little worse than I remember

>>49335404
If you don't get why people have an issue with it then you don't understood the appeal of vtubing

>>49335138
/vt/ IS just a bunch of women. Kek.

>>49335548
Post boobs

>>49335590
I'm sorry long sentences scare you and you stopped at the first sentence.
Since you're too lazy to read, i'm not gonna bother reading anything you have to write either past the first word.

>>49335459
It is true for all of her Hololive senpais. None of them are your friends.
>>49335461
Antis conjure narratives from thin air. Ame telling her stream to not bully any Council girls had anti threads targeting her on this board for weeks.

>>49335374
OK, now explain why your highly intellectual debate about why they shouldn't have said it needs to be repeated every 45 minutes for a week when every possible point was exhausted within an hour of the stream ending

>>49335560
Kek

>>49335573
>liking cute girls is gay
This is the kind of mental illness you get from watching wrestlers.

>>49335589
Don't make this a thing, please...

>>49335615
It's not even a vtubing thing. Ludwig would get a lot of shit if he said the same thing. He would never though since he is a better actor than Fauna.

>>49335523
Funny, Mori never felt the need to tell me she wasn't my friend.

>>49335560
FBK looks like she has seen some shit.

>>49335138
Femcels are not real

>>49335459
>>49335556
I don't get the hypocrisy. You are pissed for Fauna speaking on behalf of other streamers. Fair enough. That's your opinion.

But why are you speaking for everyone else? "People don't need a reality check". Why are you speaking for me faggot? Don't assume everyone has issues with it.

>>49335677
Retard I was calling the girls gay

>>49335632
Take your shirt off and look in a mirror. Bet your tits are small.

It's not like I think I'm actually an rl friend of a vtuber or that I'll ever meet them or become their partner or anything like that.
But at the same time I don't really feel keen on them going "we're not friends, I'm only here to entertain, you're nothing" to my face. There's a reason the majority of them don't do this and instead tell you (the fan) how they love you and are thankful to you and how much they love spending time with you.

This is meant to be a two-way street where both sides benefit. The viewers, many of which are lonely guys, feel like they got a cute girl here who spends time with them singing, playing games, chatting and whatnot while in return these dudes buy their merch, go to their concerts, send them superchats and support them. Both sides can be happy when all is over, there's no need to rattle the cage and upset the status quo by going all Marche on your audience.

>>49335696
but she felt like telling you this

>>49335725
I'd be scared if I have any, now onto yours sister

>>49335691
Anon, she lifted parts of her speech literally from that Ludwig video

>>49335700
Sure sis, but all those people calling Holos a bunch of whores and flooding the catalog with anti threads, those don't exist...

>>49334980
Why are you being so defensive about it?

>>49335702
Show me a single person that says "What I really want from a holo is for her to give me the cold and harsh reality and do away with all kayfabe"

>>49334980
Imagine if Undertaker during his final match would scream "Wrestling is fake btw and everyone who watches it is a manchild", he wouldn't be wrong but people who watch it are looking for entertainment not for a reminder, that's the reason why vtubers stream under an avatar, to sell an illusion, anyone who can't do it is garbage at his job, you won't see jp saying this shit, anyone who watches fauna everyday and says he isn't parasocial is lying or worse, he is an ironic weeb.

>>49335765
Sorry.

>>49335736
>how they love you and are thankful to you and how much they love spending time with you.
Fauna says this like every other stream

>>49335696
None of the other EN girls have either because its a stupid thing to say

>>49335736
Ogey but she didn't say
>you're nothing
and did in fact say she appreciated her fans and was thankful they spent time watching her

>>49335773
That doesn't have to with anthing, femcels are just not real. Plus, there are two (2) threads, both defending Fauna's actions. You're full of shit sis.

>>49335813
And she made it kinda meaningless by going "actually, ACTUALLY the truth is that no we're nothing, not even friends".
I'm sure she's thankful for you supporting her financially, but you mean nothing to her.

>internet celebrity tells you "We are not friends"
The only people who take offense to this are mentally children.

>>49335702
Because I'm not a part of a japanese idol company where my job is to make my audience happy and comfortable, nor am I speaking for you.
You're attempting a gotcha and it's a sad attempt at one.

>>49335736
Yeah I don't get how people get this simple concept, especially her

>>49335786
>cold and harsh reality
That's your subjective interpretation of what she said. I found what she said pretty wholesome. Don't speak for me or for others.

>>49335813
>>49335835
Then she was lying

>>49335780
BECAUSE YOU KEEP SPAMMING EVERY FUCKING THREAD ABOUT IT AND JANNIES AREN'T DOING JACK SHIT TO STOP IT

>>49335885

>>49334980
>incredibly insecure
Bruh you know where you at?

>>49335925
This is not even real, you can literally go and check. Meds, now.

>>49335903
How the fuck is it wholesome by any definition

>>49335870
She didn’t say that though.

>>49335925
You can Shift + Click to hide threads.

>>49335615
that's what I meant

>>49334980
It's what she wanted after all, you don't have to worry about watching her streams anymore, you don't have to worry about watching her perform at concerts anymore, and you dont have to worry about getting merch to support her. You can just watch her streams with no reason to attach yourself to someone you might consider a friend

>>49335972
It's pretty amazing how literally none of the people still complaining about this watched the stream. It's like 3 minutes and they've been posting about it for days, you'd think they'd have time

>>49335967
How about you try to find a clip of what she said, in full, rather than trying to parse what she said via threadreading?

>>49335972
You're right, she called her fans simps.

>90 posts
>31 IPs
Waffen-SisterS don't have a job, huh

Whenever things like these happen with western vtubers I wonder why it's so much easier for the JP ones to just go "of course, you're my husband!" or "I love you too! chu" and just let people be happy.

>>49335765
Really makes you think, huh?

>>49336045
She didn’t say that either

>>49335736
Anon those head pats, hugs, and chus are strictly professional.

>>49335861
>ITS JUST NOT REAL BECAUSE IT ISN'T OKAY?????
the archive has been unusable for the past few days because every time niji had a yab (which is pretty much a daily occurrence) a bunch of nijisisters kept spamming deflection threads.
you fucks did this shit with gura too, and then all the sudden there's a shortage of threads targeting her and instead gunning for Fauna, funny that huh?

>>49336053
Nah, I'm sure plenty of the JPs have told their fans to fuck off and stop pretending they're friends. I just can't think of any right now...

>>49336053
Western people are obsessed with having the moral high ground. It's the same reason they can't just enjoy fan service and have to constantly screech at titties in video games.

>>49336052
>"LE IPS THE SAME"
>half the thread are people arguing
Do you need people to cut your alphabet spaghetti for you too?

>>49335967
Is it so hard to imagine that people might have different interpretations?

>>49336141
Marine did

>>49336178
Proof?

>>49335427
Saying anything at all is retarded
Chuubas ignore supas all the time, why acknowledge this one?

>>49336141
Which EN has told their viewers that?

>>49336099
>"Are saplings friends, or simps?"
>Goes on a 5-minute rant about how saplings are not friends
What am I missing here?

>>49336211
Woman moment
She just had to show off her intellect

>>49336141
People will probably try to claim Suisei did, but she didn't say what Fauna said. She said that you shouldn't expect to ever have a chance to actually be with her and that nothing would come from it but you're free to gachikoi for her.
>>49336178
No she didn't, that is also wrong. Marine said that you shouldn't make your entire happiness in life depend solely on her streaming and being there and that you need to find other things that make you happy as well.
That's not even remotely the same.

>>49336053
They also break character to say "we are not friends" sometimes too. It's just that you don't understand Japanese enough to understand it when they do say it. You are either an EOP who only watches translate clips, or a beginner Japanese-learner who's like a child that only understands the grownups when they speak slowly or with a funny voice.

>>49336119
>Denial
>Bargaining (You are here)
>Anger
>Depression
>Acceptance

>>49336188
She said that she didn't want you to emotionally rely on her completely

>>49335459
>She even said she thinks it's this way for all streamers
Can you fucking retards stop lying for even a second?

>>49336119
Correct, femcels are not real. They're an impossible existence.
>the archive has been unusable for the past few days because every time niji had a yab (which is pretty much a daily occurrence) a bunch of nijisisters kept spamming deflection threads.
You know people can just go check it and call out your bullshit, right?
>you fucks did this shit with gura too
Who is (you) here? I'm a Soratomo.
>all the sudden there's a shortage of threads targeting her and instead gunning for Fauna
>people are targeting someone because she made a mistake rather than someone else who didn't? The horror!

>>49336178
That's not what marine said, retard

>>49336267
Again, proof?

>>49336246
And yet you will be unable to provide proof of it happening. Curious, no?

>>49336178
Stop falseflagging. She literally didn't.
Watch streams and stop reading threads.

>>49336091
I mean her oshi is NL and she definitely seems like the type of person that watches Ludwig too

>>49336313
Ironic. Considering half the the thread is misinterpreting what Fauna said.

>>49336246
Mind linking some of those moments? I'm sure it'll be a breeze for you.

>>49336231
That it was a freaking 10 minute rant

>>49336337
How do you interpret this >>49336231

>>49336337
I think we both have a very different definition of irony. But if that butters your bagel, you carry on.

>>49336244
>Marine said that you shouldn't make your entire happiness in life depend solely on her streaming and being there and that you need to find other things that make you happy as well.
That's basically the same thing that Fauna said. If you defend Marine but attack Fauna, you are a hypocrite. A big, drama-obsessed, yellow-fever hypocrite.

>>49336231
You’re missing the functioning part of your brain for one.

>>49336143
It's just feminism that ruined western women

>>49336337
The start wasn't even the worst part of her rant

>>49336292
https://youtu.be/EIRcUI-arkY

>>49336267
Which is quite different from stating "we are not friends"

>>49334980
Because Fauna might be one of only a handful of good EN chuubas and everyone is only supposed to eat tranny propaganda and not enjoy anything good.

>>49336420
Yes.

>>49336388
Marine never said anything about not being friends, stop desperately trying to desperately equate them. Marine's take applies to friends too, you shouldn't rely on your friend to be the savior of your life

>>49336278
>im a soratomo
>the soratomo in question

>>49336384
Hey that's a good start. People can have different definitions of "friend" too. But don't let that discourage you from shitposting.

>>49336399
So you have no argument? It's fine if you resort to insults, but it doesn't make you right.

>>49336508
I created the original ONE PERCENT thread but you do you sister

>>49336277
She literally said it though, look at the transcript or watch it again

>>49336277
You're either a pathetic fan trying to gaslight people or a retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgCHZbylmus&t=12168s

>>49336346
>>49336304
>Proof?
Learn Japanese for 3-4 years and watch streams.

>>49334980
By her own admission she will never like you, OP

>>49336388
God fucking damnit, why are people like you as thick as mince and manage to omit the part where the guy who asked was saying he couldn't be happy without hearing her voice and she found that dangerous? If I told my best friend this right now, he'd likely say the exact same thing.

It's absolutely nothing similar in anyway to Fauna who got a troll superchat asking if we're her friends or simps and instantly got "real" and said they're not friends.

>>49336388
>That's basically the same thing that Fauna said.
It isn't and you have room temperature IQ if you think otherwise.

>>49336484
Shut up, you drama-obsessed weeaboo. Watch Fauna's stream instead of echoing what you read on /vt/.

>>49336561
She likes me enough to show only her best side to me. And that's enough.

>>49335641
KWAB

>>49336399
Cope.

>>49336559
"Reps" is not an argument

>>49336559
Why can't you provide a single example of it? Could it be that you're wrong?

Marine
>devious enough to not directly say she isn't your friend
>instead merely implies it
>has plausible deniability

Fauna
>naive and honest enough to actually come out and say it
>nijiniggers will forever falseflag as saplings to attack her

>>49336608
I watched it and she explicitly said we can never be and should be friends

>>49336484
>>49336587
>>49336600
You will never be Japanese.

>>49336608
>weeaboo
Do you have any idea what board or site you're on? I swear, Twitter is not sending their best.

Dear wrestling fans,

I am writing this letter to apologize for my recent actions that broke kayfabe and went against the tradition of professional wrestling. I understand that kayfabe is an essential element of the industry, and it is what makes it unique and entertaining for all of you.

I know that by revealing the scripted nature of the matches and storylines, I let down many of my fans who have been following me for years. I realize that my actions have also hurt the integrity of the industry and caused disappointment among my colleagues and wrestling fans worldwide.

I want to make it clear that I deeply regret my actions and understand the seriousness of what I have done. I take full responsibility for breaking kayfabe, and I promise to make it right by rededicating myself to my craft and respecting the traditions of professional wrestling.

I would like to express my sincere apologies to all of my fans and colleagues who have been impacted by my actions. I hope that you can forgive me, and I pledge to work hard to earn back your trust and support.

Thank you for your understanding.

Sincerely,
[Name of wrestler]

This post was powered by ChatGPT

>>49336644
ngmi

>>49336636
She didn't even imply it, she literally only said that you shouldn't have your entire joy in life depend on her being around.
That has NOTHING to do with "we're not friends and cannot be" in any way.

>>49336414
all I got from that is "become a whore so whenever I'm not around you won't feel sad"

>>49336636
Stop trying to project how you're green woman feels about you into Marine, simpling

>>49336608
>weeaboo
Strange insult considering what board this is

>>49336639
Yeah? Is she wrong?

>>49336636
Marine literally says you shouldn't stake your happyness on a friend either. Kys.

>>49336636
Holy shit this is olympic-level gymnastics right here

>>49336531
No, I’m just assuming you’re either trolling or genuinely retarded. It might’ve been a binary question but that doesn’t mean her answer was a binary one, she just rejected one of the answers.

>>49336420
But that's what friends are for? Emotionally rely on them? And let them rely on you? With balance, of course.

>>49336682
I'm not the guy saying it's the same. I just provided context. Good on you for coming to your own judgement.

>>49336662
Now make an apology for vtubers that broke friendship kayfabe

>>49336683
Show JP membership faggot, you won't

Come home

>>49336639
Did you miss the rest of if? Where she said she does a share a relationship with saplings and loves hanging out with them. She just doesn't consider it same as a friendship. Are you intentionally leaving that part out?

Are the posters here your friends?

>>49336688
She's wrong for saying it, yes. Some things shouldn't be said

>>49336639
>explicitly
More lies

>>49336636
I now understand why 90% of these board despises saplings.
They don't just act like children, they have the IQ of one as well.

Do you know why she can't even be friends with saplings? Do you guys know who Alphonse's brother is? There is no more place in her heart for saplings it seems.

Why are yellow-fever weeaboos so obsessed with turning everything EN does into a yab? It's not going to undo Hololive going global. You might as well find a smaller JP corpo to obsess about. EN will never leave, and you will never be Japanese.

>>49336760
Cry white Boy
DAS RIGHT

>>49336714
Yes and marine was saying not to just use her for 100% of your happiness aka no balance. You shouldn't do that with any friend

>>49336771
Hey, don't lump me it with these retards.

Most western women just don't get what it's like to be lonely.

>>49336714
I think completly is the keyword in that statement, Marine doesn't want to be the only thing her fans care about.
The same way you can rely on friends, but not to the point that you should make your entire existence reliant on them.

>>49336755
Ah so the relationship she prefers is farming money from her simps, got it

Not a good look in this thread so far

>But Marine said the same...
She didn't
>But she never said that she thinks this goes for all other holos and streamers too...
She did, linked above

>>49336760
Hit too close to home, friendless weeb? LMAO

>>49336755
It's pretty self-evident that the only reasons people would still be posting about this are they didn't watch the stream, misinterpreted it on purpose to shitpost, or can't speak english

>>49336822
I'm sorry, rare sane sapling.
But you have some unfortunate company to be around.

>>49336771
I doubt that Marine schizo is a sapling

>>49336836
They're naive and fauna thinks he reddit tier tips will work fly saplings to find friends if you're a guy. Woman really have no idea man

>Upset about not being friends
>It’s obviously about love
>Unicorns persist it’s about Freud ship

How the fuck do you friendzone yourself?

>>49336842
You don't actually understand Japanese.

>>49336822
Behead your fellow saplings and you shall be pardoned

The fragility of anons to get offended by something they themselves admit is true. You all must have lived a good life without any actual problems when this is the level of inconvenience you freak out over.

>>49336883
I don't even know if this is the marineschizo. i saw multiple people parroting this shit before a few days ago.
Saplings are bleating the narcissist's prayer right now

>>49336909
Fuck off, 2.434%

>>49336918
Correct, watching vtubers is a first world hobby. I'm sorry your genetically-inherited brown low IQ doesn't let you enjoy it.

>>49336711
She could've either ignored it, or simply sucked it up and said "Saplings are friends". That would have literally hurt no one other than the troll who asked the question. Instead she decided to get "real" and focus on the ABSURDITY of her being friends with her fans. If she felt as strongly about saplings being called "simps" as she did "friends", she would have addressed that too

>Friendzoning yourself with someone who doesn’t want to be friends

The absolute mental gymnastics.

>>49336918
People eat at mcdonalds and fully know it's shit. Doesn't mean they want you to go up to their faces and scream "this is shit, you should feel bad for eating it you unhealthy swine"
Reminding vtuber fans of all of this only being kayfabe and her not even considering you a friend which would be the lowest possible level (we're not even talking about lovers or husband) isn't needed

>>49336178
Telling a guy who sent her a message saying "I can't be happy without you, please marry me", that he needs to find his own happiness because she won't always be there for him is totally different than getting message saying "are your fans friends or simps" and going, "well we're not friends...".

>>49336845
>friendless as an insult
Back to whatever hole you came from

>>49336963
Calm down sis

>>49336976
> Correct, watching vtubers is a first world hobby. I'm sorry your genetically-inherited brown low IQ doesn't let you enjoy it.

>>49336852
Ohh I'm very well aware that they are not arguing in good faith. I'm taking one for the team and engaging with these retards so that they are contained here and don't shit up other threads.

You guys notice a pattern? Fauna went to college unlike the rest of EN that dropped out. She was probably poisoned by the liberal institution. Mumei is smart enough to not say it and Bae is a lost cause with the homo collabs

>it is the nijinigger!
Doesn't work anymore
>it is the JPnigger! >>49336789
Do you really think it will work? Saplings please see the truth! If you chose to bury your head in the sand in this regard you will end up like teacucks and Kronies!

>>49337018
The guy in your pic is more intelligent and productive than you swarthoid.

>>49336989
You are really insecure if you actually believe that.

>>49337020
he does it for free

>>49336662
YOU SEE HOLOLIVE...

>>49336989
What she said didn’t actually hurt anybody though. None of you watched her stream and you don’t really count as people either.

>>49337054
Sure, anon.

>>49337015
>nijisis calling others sis
lmao

HOLY FUCKING FALSEFLAGGING MENTAL ILLNESS
anyway ______1%___

>>49337000
>McDonalds tells you their food is bad
>WHY DIDNT THEU JUSY SAY IT WAS GOOD OR IGNORE IT I CANT TRUST THIS CHAIN FOOD STORE

>>49337040
Probably learned to give reality checks to men while taking their money in her women studies elective

>>49334980
You can't let these whores get comfortable giving "the talk" because when you let them you end up with another Ame

>>49337104
Only women wouldn't be able to take an obvious joke, so I was merely stating the obvious

>>49337000
It’s a good thing she didn’t say anything remotely like that then. Not that you’d know, since you didn’t watch her stream.

>>49337104
>deflecting to niji
Anything new, sapling?

>>49336723
What friendship kayfabe? I thought you want to pretend that they're your girlfriend/wife.

>>49337009
What does friendship have to do with marriage

>>49336989
Lying is not sustainable long term. She definitely could have put it in a better way that would not negatively affect people's enjoyment of the stream.

Ask yourself why 95% of holos don't do what she did and you'll see why it's a dumb idea that she said all that.

>>49337093
She said she thinks other streamers are the same too. Fuck your green bitch

The Sapling's Prayer:

Fauna didn't say we aren't friends
And if she did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not her fault you took it that way.
And if it was, she didn't mean it like that.
And if she did, you deserved it.

>>49337191
And? She’s right and you know that.

>>49337168
No I just want friendship but apparently fauna can't even pretend to do that. I know none of en is gfe and don't expect that

I’ll defend Faina from all these Snoys and Pc fags.

/thread

>>49337208
Quite literally pilpul strategies kek

Not gonna lie, I was hurt at first, but I got over it when I realized that she said it out of respect for us. She wants us to be happy rather than chasing after the unobtainable goal of getting close to her. Of course, I'd rather she didn't respond to that SC at all, and the wording wasn't as perfect as some would have you believe, but I've been watching Fauna long enough to know her intentions weren't bad. She does care.

>>49337191
Stop. She literally never said that and you're exposing the fact that you didn't even watch the stream.

>>49337143
>>49337154
You can't fool me, nijikeks. False-flagging as niji-antis won't work.

I noticed that Ayame was the only one in holoJP that doesn't get that close with her viewers. From EN side I can certainly feel that from both Fauna and Mumei. Ame arguably. Surprisingly Mori is not pushing away deadbeats like them.

>>49337236
>I want women as friends

Absolute fucking brain let. Get smacked by a truck door.

>>49337208
Not to mention somehow trying to tie it niji deflection as if company drama and talent drama are good smokescreens for each other. I fucking hate niji and their black company but I also think fauna is a retard for saying this

>>49337283
I made that meme faggot

>>49337295
Everyone knows. She knows everyone knows. Everyone knows she knows everyone knows. People still watch because she's cute.

>>49337236
This is a really dumb bullshit excuse. If you actually believe it, I hope you get treated for your mental illness.

>>49337266
Sapling your cope level is admirable

>>49337266
Silent majority chad I kneel

>>49337341
That is a sad cope, cuckling.

This nothingburger is starting to get boring. Anything else bad about her aside from being boring?

>>49337328
>fauna is a retard for saying this
I'm not denying that. But let's not pretend that this isn't blown out of proportion. When Kson dropped her 1% tweet, multiple Fauna bait threads were instantly created. You can call that coincidence but seems unlikely.

>>49337266
2. Bargaining

>>49337208
>>49337260
>>49337328

These threads reek of false flaggers.

>>49337347
I love when people I'm friendly with at work outright tell me I'm not their friend. Oh wait, no one does that because that means they'd be a rude cunt regardless of the truth

>>49337396
I'm talking about Ayame you stupid fucking retard

>>49337396
What are they coping about? people are still watching her because she's cute, no amount of femoid seething will change that.
how are your organ failures doing right now?

>>49337428
No, watch as the sister replying to themself until thread hit limit

>>49337428
>This nothingburger is starting to get boring
Why are you still here then?

>>49337451
What’s the %1 tweet

>>49337451
>>49337462
I thought it was 2%, where is the 1% from?

>>49337328
Unfortunately
>And if she did, you deserved it.
We are now here. It's a weird mixture of denial and deflection. It's sunk cost fallacy.

>>49337451
>blown out of proportion
No it is not. This is basically her "improved yourself" moment.

>>49334980
Think Op think
What happened to nijisanji recently? Yes a fucking yab of 98% black company

/vt/ unironically declared her as one of the worst ENs even if she did not collab with a male. Christ, and I thought schizo Kronies were bad enough.

>>49337518
>>49337524
https://twitter.com/ksononair/status/1656226203576188931
1-2% to be precise

>>49337451
or maybe because it just happened to be the morning of the vod when everyone got to see the clip or catch up on the vod. Not everything is a grand conspiracy. If they wanted to deflect they'd make up shit about covers management to make cover look bad. Fauna is only doing damage to her own rep not the company

>>49337500
I'm waiting for things to get spicy. So far, it's been all faggots arguing.

>>49337467
You've never had a job in your life. How sheltered are you?

>>49337462
case in point

>>49337266
I agree, she could and probably should have avoided the SC, but at least she showed that she cares. If she was only interested about keeping the paypigs, she wouldn't have said anything of what she said.

>>49337467
People at work probably don't call you mommy. She was just trying to set some boundaries.

Do you think the girls talk to each other about what people say about them here and on other sites? Like, I can imagine Mori and Fauna sitting in discord chat being like "well FauFau, you really stepped in the shit this time. Hope things go better for you than they did for me and Ame".

>h-hey, at least she didn't collab with a male right?????????

>>49337568
I declare her the best. Only what I say matters. Fuck /tv/.

>>49337568
You need to stop taking shitstirrers at face value.

>>49337462
Ok I agree niji is a black company and stated their shitty cut too, why are you reminding me, simpling?

>>49335086
>when they are only here for some after-work escapism and want to enjoy their cute anime gf
Back when actual anime was the only option for escapism with an anime gril, did (You) think the CGDGT on the screen was your friend, let alone your gf?

>>49337467
On the contrary that could be a completely reasonable thing for a coworker to say if they wishes to establish boundaries, provided they put it nicely enough.
At the same time, it’s also completely different from an anime woman you will never meet telling you the same.

>>49337629
Can't do that when this shit has been cycling for the past few days.

>>49337614
Ah yes, the old “What are the false flag niggers on 4chan discussing” discord call Roundtable

>>49337666
Anime girls didn't sit you down and start talking about how escapism is unhealthy.

>>49337611
There was no need to, there wasn't a problem and all she had to do was ignore the troll

>>49337568
Drama-queens/false-flaggers are so desperate for a new HoloEN yab that they'll take anything at this point even if it's a nothing burger.

>>49337551
Speaking of things blown out of proportion…

>>49337666
Are you retarded? Anime girls in actual anime don't respond to you or have conversations with you

>>49337176
Some measure of lying is necessary if you're a vtuber
If she wanted to be completly honest she should stream under her real face and name

>>49337590
What job do you have where your coworkers state they aren't your friend? Everyone pretends, it's workplace keyfabe

While saplings are still coping, the fact that she think this entire shitshow is somehow the fault of the fan that sent her the superchat is hilarious.

The speech didn't change my opinion of her, but banning someone because of her own fault for responding to a $10 SCs with a speech is what makes me think she is pathetic.

>>49337629
Maybe jannies should do their job that they get paid to do then!

>>49337266
I like her but it was just really weird, this is the kind of speech you give when you're getting harassed or your fanbase is behaving improperly, but I don't recall saplings doing anything wrong to warrant this to be honest.

>>49337583
>morning of the vod
The Kson tweet was more than 24hrs after her MC stream.

>>49337666
Considering you think anime grills did ASMR videos or interacted with your audience, am I to assume that's your dose?

>>49337781
That's actually funny cause it means Fauna saw the backlash afterwards and then went and banned him long after the stream was over

>>49334980
>Why are holofagz so angry about oshi #24 dropping the parasocial act to remind them to stay in their lane and stop being cringe?
The mind races

>>49335178
so she can just say "hey im not actually an animu girl and despite being all lovey dovey with you on stream im actually in a commited relationship with someone else in real life and im only in it & giving you the time of the day for the money only you know that right" over & over on every stream on the basis that because it's the truth it's okay to say it?

>>49337803
Not really. It was a pretty positive and wholesome speech.

>>49335374
If the marks started taking things seriously to the point of stalking and harassing the refs?

>>49337568
please understand, the sisters were desperate to find SOMETHING to shit on Fauna about. same with Irys and the rigger nothingburger

>>49337781
t.the faggot who sent that superchat

>>49337721
Escapism is unhealthy, anon. It's the first step towards schizophrenia.

>>49337781
Are you serious? That nigger needs a restraint order

>>49337781
Where are her mods? Why wasn't the faggot banned before the stream? Why was the SC allowed to last?

>>49337780
>What job do you have where your coworkers state they aren't your friend?
Lawyer

>>49337847
Exactly. I don't really see that as him baiting either. If you wanna bait the streamers you go for red SCs especially for someone as rich as him.

>>49337568
Look, I like Tempus and I respect Fauna's decision in avoiding male collabs, but the fact that this is the drama that makes /vt/ seethe is hilarious.

>>49337803
Yeah this exactly, I might understand this type of speech if you have super creepy fans trying to get close to you and stalking you. I guess she's creeped out by the current state of saplings

When entire thread rages with unicorn behaviour it's normal but when streamer can't even display an illusion of being friendly background noise it's "hurr durr 1%", i know we aren't friends but i don't watch streamer everyday to be reminded about something obvious but for my own entertainment and escapism. Anyone who doesn't get that is just an ironic weeb, you don't want to watch a movie with shitty actors don't you? People say that Marine said the same thing but no she didn't she just said something simmilar without being yet another unproffesional EN vtuber who treats her fans as walking piggy banks.

>>49335330
>>49335427
Blame Youtube for creating the expectation that paying for a comment = getting it read.

>>49337892
Without escapism, there is no reason for vtubers to be a thing. They're not particularly skillful, entertaining or fascinating to listen to.

>>49337847
Probably, but there was a sapling that warned her about that schizo and she even replied

>>49337781
This dude is a troll, though.

>>49337924
The SC wasn't even bad. It was just her response and 10 min lecture that was stupid.

>>49337892
Stop doing literally anything other than working, eating and sleeping then anon.

>>49337924
>>49337781
The weird part is that he was banned once before in her chat then unbanned.

>>49334980
they are desperate because of 2%, even that doxsaugi was pissed lol.

>>49337898
He cucked when he payed others to tell he's sorry. Fuck Kronii.

>>49337898
>same sentences structure
??? I don't really see it. What is this schizo image?

>>49335086
this

>>49337892
Escapism is only unhealthy when you let it consume your life. I can't say that people on this board are particularly good at avoiding that but I still believe that there is a place in this world for escapism.

>>49338016
It's the fact that SC was sent that made the whole thing stupid. SC is a dramanigger unsociable autistic retard while Fauna is an idiot for biting the bait.

>>49337847
No, it's because her chat was immediately telling her to ban him afterwards. Fauna was just Pontius Pilate.

>>49338077
the hero we don't deserve

>>49335086
this is why the parasocial shtick doesn't work on/for an EN audience, the actors themselves thinks it's cringe. they're too liberal for it. they're literally being showered in money on one of the easiest job they could ever have and all they do is pretend, AND THEY CAN'T EVEN DO THAT.

just do your JP reps and stick to the JPs.

>>49338016
It was one of his less schizo ones yet it had the most impact because of her response to it. Talk about fumbling it

>>49338054
Faggot faked that "message not sent" in youtube studio, he was never banned

>>49334980
Bae said she will be my friend, I don't care anymore and I have forgiven Fauna

>>49338095
I know that the guy is a troll, just saying in a vacuum the SC itself wasn't bad or worthy of a deletion

>>49337892
I assume you think that while you are watching vtubers everyday you are different, and it's suddenly not escapism?

>>49337924
>Why wasn't the faggot banned before the stream?
Ahahahahahahaha. Sorry I had to laugh. The answer is because that SCs is really not the issue. The issue is what Fauna said.

>>49335556
>People wouldn't appreciate you speaking on behalf of how your senpai thinks with something pretty contentious
And this is why western streamers are unironically better, they don't have to put up with retarded rules like that.

>>49338127
If you try and tell people that, they tell you "sumemasen last samurai go back to /jp/" because they can't be bothered .

>>49337568
There's nothing wrong with collabing with a male. The same people who sperg out about that are the ones sperging out about this.

>>49338127
Nah no thanks nijifaggot, I will continue supporting both

>>49338003
From these SCs it seems like it is just him going a little overboard. Sad to see there is no one screencapping the original SCs he was referring to.

>>49338171
I'm not trying to escape reality. I just watch vtubers on the side while I do other stuff like work or eating.

>>49338233
>NIJIEN exists
This is a joke right?

>>49338077
It's from /swarm/, after the Kiara/Neuro collab was announced he started going crazy, and probabily made that random twitter account to accuse Vedal (Neuro creator) of being a pedo. It is schizo but might be true

are there ANY EN holos that would call their viewers friends?

>>49338165
It's true but fauna has to take her rage out at someone else for her own fuck up

>>49338127
YWNBJ

>>49338327
Bae
Gura
Kiara

>>49338171
I watch Fauna because she has a great personality, and plays games that I like. I skip her ASMR.

>>49337568
I find this worse than a male collab, at least Fubuki will collab with a male professionally but keep the kayfabe and not have a woman moment where the immersion is killed

>>49334980
Fauna never had a big yab so the 1%ers are desperate to make something stick. Sadly for them, she gave full context on everything she said, so their shitposting only kind of works if they ignore everything after the first line, which was evident by how hard they tried to stop people from talking about it.

>>49338201
Streamers have to come up with responses on the spot. Superchats that intentionally bait them into giving responses that would be offensive are malicious no matter how you look at it.
Also you type like an autistic ESL schizo.

>>49338327

>>49338165
She didn't ban him specifically for the contents of that SC though. Unlikely. Cause she did read respond to it. Many saplings in her comments pointed out that guy is a shitstirrer and has caused problems for other Holos. Fauna replied saying she didn't know and probably decided to ban him after that.

>>49338351
So true, sis.

>>49338327
From the top of my mind, Gura and Bae have done so already, Mumei also doesn't outright say it but hoomans are pretty much her friends

>>49338241(me)
>>49338360
Like a moth to the flame

>>49338372
i wouldn't believe Gura even if she said it. Bae i could trust. im gonna try watching more Bae
either way im not watching kaira lol

>>49338444
as an avid brrat, you'll get used to her voice and zoomer antics.

watching the unikeks & saplings trying to defend fauna will never not be funny.
>Noooooo she didn't mean it that way.

>>49338327
None of them would outright deny it and that's the part that matters

>>49338496
so is Fauna the first?

Fauna, mangement, and/or her mods also banned a few of the commenters who voiced disappointment on the vod. So her only making an army of yesmen is I guess how she treats feedback

>>49338372
>>49338431
So is Fauna calling them liars? She basically is, isn't she

350 posts DORYAAAAAAA

>>49338496
Screenshot this

>>49335696
Because her antis talk to her directly.

Very organic thread

>>49338383
I also skip her ASMR because to me she was just "friendly" background noise but you can't pretend spending your time listening to streamer isn't escapism, i just want streamer to be proffesional without speaking obvious things that break my immersion, isn't this the reason why vtubers name their fans by nicknames, to pretend you have some kinship with your fans?

>>49338516
Yes and that's why there's a big stink from the 'parasocials' about it. For what it's worth, I don't think some level of parasocial is had and it can't be helped

>>49338402
>Superchats that intentionally bait them into giving responses that would be offensive are malicious no matter how you look at it
It is part of the job and it was a 10 dollar SC. The problem with her response is that she got "real" with her fans when the SC didn't ask her to do that. She is either stupid or this thing is on her chest for such a long time she picked a random SC to unload it.
>namecalling
Alright.

>>49336388
?
do you usually let your irl friends to be fully emotionally attached to you & solely depends on you to be their only source of hapiness? and if this isn't the case you dont consider them as your friends at all?

>>49338641
Parasocialism is what allows streamer job to exist without sponsors. Ironic weebs just like to say "parasocialism bad am'rite reddit?"

>>49338561
Thanks Fauna for being the Tank this time and suck up the drama sisters. You took one for the team.

Ah i see the sisters are still making these very organic threads
Oh well it's been a tough couple weeks for them.
The Zaion stuff, 2%, Selen graduating soon, probably wearing on them pretty hard.

>>49335736
>"we're not friends, I'm only here to entertain, you're nothing" to my face. There's a reason the majority of them don't do this and instead tell you (the fan) how they love you and are thankful to you and how much they love spending time with you.
The problem here is that (You) hallucinated the "you're nothing" part, and there is no contradiction between the options you present.

>>49338669
Even if the SC asks for that, she should know better than to give her entire audience a ten minute reality check lecture because of one troll.

>/vt/ never cared if a vtuber had a love interest until Mori donated to Conner's Twitch stream
>/vt/ never cared if a vtuber collabed with Males until Tempus appeared
>/vt/ never cared if a vtuber considered their fans "friends" until Fauna answered the SC about it
Wow, so genuine and totally not fabricated...

>>49338541
Yes, she's calling gura, kiara and fbk lying bitches

>>49338541
Indirectly, yes

>>49338623
Unless you also think that watching sports ball or reality TV is escapism, I can in fact deny watching streamers being escapism.

>>49338669
>trap questions aren't a thing bro

>>49338697
As long as the parasocialism doesn't lead to harassing/stalking/being creepy then let people live their illusion ffs

>>49338719
You first line is already so retarded, why even bother

>>49338719
Is this ironic?

>>49338541
>and I think it's the same for other streamers too
The most annoying part of her speech is saying that everyone shares her values or is lying

>>49336119
Shitting up the catalog is both sides' fault, quit flooding away the generals I actually care about.

>>49338719
You’re both helping retard. Now the next few hours they’ll be making fun of you for being a newfriend and all of your points being wrong.

>>49338396
no, there's still some issue with what she said in the full context. (not as much as they make it out to be, though.)
it's just kind of an insult to the audience, since it's so obvious. it also goes against her entertainer stance, it's too "real". an entertainer doesn't need to say that.

>>49338786
thanks to people like ludwig, that's what most people in the west think parasocial means now

>>49338719
troglodyte iq the post
/vt/ cared about all those things but there was no point complaining or speaking about them before the aforementioned incidents occurred. retard. kill yourself

>>49338786
As long as vtuber doesn't do gfe it's safe, besides saying things like "we aren't friends" won't stop creeps who think they are already something more.

>>49338881
>both
*not

>>49338747
>watching sports ball or reality TV is escapism
Yes. You're in denial.

>>49338541
No she isn't you retarded schizo
Did all of nijien get suspended or why are you 'people' shitting up the board again?

>>49338719
>/vt/ didn't care about aliens nuking our planet until they nuked our planet. Gotcha.

>>49338705
>>49338719
Wrost false-flagging ever
Asked to leave the thread

>>49338890
And it seems like she just ripped the points from his video and thinks they're applicable to a vtuber 1:1

>>49338950
>suspended
They call it a vacation or a mental health break.

>>49338923
Exactly, it was pointless to say and disillusion the harmless fans that did think of her as a friend

>>49338942
In that case I’d argue you’ve muddled the definition of escapism to the point that it’s completely lost its effectiveness as a descriptor for human activities.

>>49338950
She literally said other streamers are the same

>>49339007
Well Niji fan sure need a vacation at this point, from life that is

>>49338888
>I shouldn't be friends with my fans as Fauna because friends fight and stuff and I only want to show them my best side
Yeah sure what a huge issue

>>49338853
>>49338860
>>49338881
>>49338938
>>49338897
>>49338959
>>49338969
Go back to your drama-seeking discord and stay off this board.

>just calls everyone husband and kisses them
>no one is mad, everyone is happy
Others could learn from her

>>49338719
>>/vt/ never cared if a vtuber had a love interest until Mori donated to Conner's Twitch stream
1. Not true. I fucked you're oshi (yeah, me) was a meme.
2. Look at where Mori is now.
>>/vt/ never cared if a vtuber collabed with Males until Tempus appeared
1. Not true. Look at the archive. Homobeggar is a term predates vt.
2. Look at where Tempus and Kronii are now.
>>/vt/ never cared if a vtuber considered their fans "friends" until Fauna answered the SC about it
1. Not true. People wanted companionship from streamer even before vtubers exists. Most importantly Fauna is hypocritical for giving that speech considering you know what.
2. You know the drill. We will see if it is "totally fabricated" few months down the line.

>>49339084
Proof next thread?

>>49339132
Sorry I don't want others to get in trouble and make apology streams because they traced art.

>60 posters
>389 replies
really made me think
(clicked update)
>60 posters
>394 replies
REALLY MADE ME THINK EVEN MORE

>>49339154
Just because 1-2 random schizos posted it doesn't mean it was the board mentality.

>>49339167
>>49336554
watch it

>>49339218
The entire thread is people arguing with each other
If you have to think that hard, you may have brain damage

>>49339218
All me btw

>>49339218
>>49336148

We did it, bros! We defended HoloEN from the NijiEN menace!

400 posts DORRRRRYAAAAAAAAAAA

you retards are silly. just end the nuke this thread already.

>>49339129
You know, adding le random chuba pngs really doesn't strengthen your point when it's retarded, quite the opposite actually

>>49339233
Ok, now what? She literally says "and this goes for every streamer I think"
Imagine being someone like Okayu or Koyori or Lamy and then Fauna comes along and tries to speak on behalf of you about your relationship with your fans

>>49339231
Does this look like 1-2 random schizos for you?

>>49037486
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>>49078034

Look at how many of the replies there are. Does it look like 1-2 people samefagging to you?

>>49339308
No you don't you parasocialist fucks

>>49336244
>She said that you shouldn't expect to ever have a chance to actually be with her and that nothing would come from it but you're free to gachikoi for her.
How is that different?
>you shouldn't make your entire happiness in life depend solely on her streaming and being there and that you need to find other things that make you happy as well.
>That's not even remotely the same.
Yes, yes it is. People apparently acting that way is literally the exact reason Ludwig had to do his speech in the first place.

>>49339344
Oh hey it's you seachama, welcome back musta got hit with a 24 hour huh

>>49339325
Don't care, will keep doing it

>>49339104
how is that relevant to the audience?

>>49339129

>>49339337
Yeah I don't care if fauna broke friendship keyfabe with her fans personally but with that statement she's saying my oshi(gura) is a liar too

>>49339344
All me

>>49339344
>Does this look like 1-2 random schizos for you?
Yes, and you are especially schizoid.

>>49339344
Saving your own thread omegaKEK. These niggers keeping track of their shitpost to turn it in for foodstamp or something.

>>49339395
You'll keep being retarded?