/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>49270788
What the fuck is wrong with this whore?
She should be grateful for the opportunities given to her.

>>49270788
i will unironically oshi her once she leaves the black company, only thing stopping me is not wanting to pay 99% to cliquesanji's yacht

>>49270788
Sudden vacation for 2 weeks coming in 3....2.....1.....

>>49270870

>>49270870
fuck off sister

I hope to god that Selen leaves the company one day, and she can offer Pomu and Rosemi freedom. Having to pay out of pocket not just for this, but for other things like their VRchat worlds/chibi models, let alone organizing other events, there comes a point where staying just isn’t fucking worth it.
She’s not even growing her own brand after a while, only the company’s since they’re now leeching off of her.

>>49270788
art contests are a fucking scam anyway and she can yell all she wants about compensating artists while paying out 5 guys she likes and wasting time of everyone else

Selen, please, you are still in time, leave that shitstain of a company, should have done that when they blocked your attempts to collab with Hololive for the longest time.

>>49270788
This is from 2 days ago, she's not leaving anytime soon. Also I don't see why any of that tweets would be termination worthy

>>49271079
It's sad not seeing her appreciated for the effort she puts in.

>>49271115
In the case of ultra shitty companies like Nijisanji EN, yes they are a scam because the company originally put in their terms and conditions that even if you don’t win, they can still take your fan art and claim it as theirs, using it in the future without any sort of compensation. Something that Selen as an artist and as a supporter of artists, very much was likely not okay with.

>>49270788
>Selen comes up with the contest idea, management tells her that she can do it but they can't do prizes, Selen still goes along with it and only offers prizes after it blows up in her face
100% Selen's fault

>>49271161
she broke like 12 nijisanji rules there
-she broke a rule
-she displayed intention of breaking a rule
-she showed no remorse for breaking the rule
-she refused to learn about not breaking the rule
-falsely claiming she didnt break any rule
-asking a manager about what rule she broke
etc etc

>>49271341
>they can still take your fan art and claim it as theirs
Any examples

>>49271079
>but for other things like their VRchat worlds/chibi models

those things dont get used for shit they just accumulate dust.
All selen does is throw money at things and take credit for all the work, like the time she used other people's code to make a shimeji and then claimed she coded it from scratch.
Then theres shit like her talking pomu into wasting money on an ugly pixar-ripoff looking 3D model that pomu never uses and selen rarely uses because it looks so bad
Selen needs to stay in this black company. Its a perfect fit for her.

>>49271669
Always been the case
https://event.nijisanji.app/guidelines/en/
>At the point in time that you publicize the Contents derivative works, then you will be deemed to have given approval regarding our Company and a third party designated by our Company to use the derivative works pursuant to the methods set forth below:
>(1) Use on live transmissions and SNS, etc. (also, there may be instances of carrying out trimmings or deformations, etc. of a degree that does not damage the identity of the product).
>(2) Carrying out official distribution or turning into goods (also, upon carrying out turning into goods, we would like to hold consultations in advance).

>>49271079
>and she can offer Pomu and Rosemi freedom.
The problem here is that I don't think they would ever be able to set a foot on Hololive even if they tried. Pomu is a Nijisanji fan to the core.
Selen, although she did attempted to audition for Holo, she's unlikely to be able to pull a Luna situation out of her ass
And Rosemi would need a miracle because her past history before NijiEN could be troublesome to make her a safe entry.
IdolEN will provide them with the necessary equipment, Phase are probably not going to be much different than NijiEN in terms of growth, in the hypothetical case VSPO decides to make an EN branch Selen could go it (despite having been BTFO in Vsaikyo)... and Vwhorejo can go fuck off.

>>49271796
that isnt a exmaple

>>49271815
>Pomu is a Nijisanji fan to the core
More like
>Pomu did her homework before debut and then conditioned herself to be a Nijifan to keep it organic

>>49271882
Nigga you got into Vtubing with HoloEN, stop fishing for info.

>>49271079
>Having to pay out of pocket not just for this, but for other things like their VRchat worlds/chibi models, let alone organizing other events,
This is all stuff that's normal to basically all vtuber companies though? Members organizing events they want to do and personal projects being funded by the members aren't something that is unique to Nijisanji.

Selen should have just done what Pomu did if she wanted ideas. Make a post in members asking what kind of outfit people would like to see. Then she can just pick from among the popular concepts there and management will pay for everything. Instead she does some contest that causes artists to bitch and whine and costs her thousand of dollars while essentially achieving the same thing Pomu did for free and without dramas.

>>49270788

Selen, Pomu, Rosemi and Maria leaving to HoloEN would unironically save HoloEN.

But it's never going to happen.

>>49271815
I don’t think Selen offering them freedom even includes needing to bring them with her to something like HoloEN. And probably for the best too, since if they do make it there it feels extremely probable that some talents like Enna will try to guilt them into bringing her with them, and then the cycle repeats all over again.
It could also just be as large indies, with the ability to play what they want without the dumbshit Japanese game permissions. It’s a lot more risky yeah, but it’s not like NijiEN does much for them as it is. The company can’t even brag about the ability to take indies and make them a star on stage right now since AR Fes fucking died not even 2 weeks after it was announced.

>>49271079
KuroKara will terminate the entire EN branch and Yagoo will poach all of them

>>49273221
"All of them" meaning Selen, Pomu, Rosemi*
Not the entire nijiEN LOL

>>49270897
Only retards give money to vtubers

>>49272694
Selens addicted to spending money for no reason.

>>49271815
>Pomu is a Nijisanji fan to the core.

Is she? She's just a turbo weeb in general putting most of people here to shame. She was going to underground idol concerts and molesting maids in Akiba. Also she knows a lot about Holo and pushed for collabs for a long time.

>>49273331
women be shopping

>>49271079
Pomu will never abandon Luca

>>49271079
Looking at how fast Twitch indie scene is growing and how doing one collab with Neuro can suddenly give you 3-4k stable ccv are corpos like Niji or Vshojo even necessary? Holo at least does all the 3d lives and shit indie streamer would never be able to do alone, but others? Idol is still growing nicely I guess but we'll see where they are in a year.

>>49273365
Lazulight is idols that say they aren't anyway lol
>new song gets announced
>art is them wearing matching idol outfits
>composer is michitomo knon for working primarily with idol groups like momoclo and composes songs for idol anime like pripara

>>49270788
Buying the mother of all yachts here, Jack. Can't fret over every harvested liver.

>>49270870
Holy evil corpo speech. Straight out of a video game parodying corpos as enemies.

>>49274215
Honestly though I don't think it's reasonable to expect the company to pay for that prize. Everything you see like this think what if 200 members all decide they want to do it too. If they pay for Selen they need to pay for everyone else too. So what if everyone decides they want to do a contest like this Nijisanji need to drop what something like $1 million on a load of art the majority of which is never going to be used for anything at all. They already pay for the actual outfit itself being designed and made, if Selen wants to do a contest for the design then that's on her.

>>49271079
>the Niji guys just do the bare minimum, placate their viewers and rake in the money by virtue of being born with a benis
>women like Pomu, Selen go out of their way to throw money at projects that get rejected all the time, try to expand and please their current fans by giving them something back and losing their sanity by not getting recognition and actually being invested in the hobby itself
it's both sad and hilarious if you think about it

>>49273727
I feel bad for the composer already.
Imagine trying to sell the idea that the /b/omu and Finana "The Country's Bike" Ryugu are idols.

>>49274574
>the Niji guys just do the bare minimum, placate their viewers and rake in the money by virtue of being born with a benis

Luxiem is a massive success only because they are the first EN male wave. Same shit as Myth. Other male waves are nowhere near as popular.

Also Luxiem already lost like 50% of their viewers and 2/3 of superchats.

>>49273489
Niji does tons of 3d lives? Admittedly not for EN yet but I think in terms of JP they do the most. They have 4 real life ticketed concerts next month alone. Hoshikawa has a solo live, Kenmochi has a solo live, VALZ have one and Ryushen has a solo live. I think Matsuri is even invited to Hoshikawa's.

>>49271161
>Also I don't see why any of that tweets would be termination worthy
This is niggersanji wer are talking about, they could always twist it into something like
>Tried to use unauthorized methods to obtain an new outfit for her model
>Spread missinformation to damage the company's reputation

>>49274695
Idols!
https://youtu.be/4OMLb5i8rio

>>49274746
>LOST
it's never there IN the first place. It's a well known fact that they're using bots

>>49271079
She actually might. Right with those tweets, she went straight to her personal Twitter, which she never tweets from and just said
>I'm tired.

>>49277160
Elira and Pomu sounds so good together karaoke duet.
https://youtu.be/Fzeb0S-OoGs?t=1774

Man, being a nijiENfag must be chaotic.

>>49270788
If you think she'd get terminated you're out of your mind. She's Niji's biggest bootlicker and would unironically suck Tazumi's cock to be able to stay one more week.

>>49277716
Now that you mention it, was she part of the entire Tweetline where they all went on over "I LOVE MY FAMILY" and shit?

>>49277609
There's a reason why their live viewer counts have been going down hill, it's been nothing but drama for the better part of a year. There reaches a point where being a fan just becomes draining after a while, especially watching your oshi increasing become frustrated and exhausted.

>>49277772
Nope. She doesn't need a gun pointed at her head to say that she loves Nijisanji.

>>49270788
Another thread No.9999 coping that "she will leave this time, I am very confident about it"

>>49277970
True, she just needs Niji to put her in some Apex tourneys to be satisfied and make it look she's a decent player.

>>49277970
The only ones that don't seem to be part of that image are Pomu, Selen, Alban, Yugo, Sonny, and Mysta/Shu. At least since this was around the time of Noctyx.
Petra I think tweeted her family love thing later.

>>49277160
Then incorporating the chant into their song organically like that gives it so much soul. Best EN vtuber group song easily. Absolutely iconic.

>>49277970
I still to this day don't know why people make such a big deal of this? Be happy together do some cute thing on social media about it. There's not really much more to it than that.

>>49271079
Who did you think made it possible for making the vtuber Selen Tatsuki popular in the first place you absolute retard.

>>49278487
Herself. Seeing all the shit lately, it's clear the livers get little to no support.

CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HER BECOME FULL MENHERA
Not shitpost, I just find menheras fucking hot, and yes I'd like to be murdered by them erotically

>>49270788
Selen at Idol would be a match made in heaven.

>>49278540
I really don't want to sound like a niji cocksucker but the nijisanji brand made her popular. This is not up for debate. Vtuber companies help the talents get a wider reach like this. It's also why vtubers themselves are putting up with the company's bullshit like Selen does here.

>>49278487
It was ultimately herself.
You seem to have forgotten that around the time of Obsydia debuting, NijiEN still wasn't shit. Bigger than your average EN corpo, but it didn't mean much since the Nijisanji brand meant practically nothing in the west. She was the one that grew ultimately even without the "buff" that Petra had in terms of model, even though Petra herself fucking wasted it.

>>49278487
Herself. She, Nina and Meloco are the only NijiEN that are enjoyable to watch.

>>49270788
>look ma I posted the same thing that's already been posted a dozen times and added my own retarded zero-effort take!
kys

>>49271918
this. pomu is the biggest niji otaku on the planet.

>>49278608
Same
>t. Former fandead

>>49278540
I mean I love Selen but she clearly didn't she was getting like 12 viewers average for 5 years straight until niji picked her up and she still would be if they didn't.

>>49278709
>the nijisanji brand made her popular. This is not up for debate. Vtuber companies help the talents get a wider reach like this.
It didn't. Nijisanji was barely known or even cared about in the west when they debuted. Lazulight only had 15k subs tops when they debuted. So whatever "status" Nijisanji had meant nothing since she was also helping the branch grow in the west and was growing alongside it.
It probably helped that Anycolor ran tons of targetted DEBUT ads for Lazulight/Obsydia/Ethyira, but that didn't mean much in the grand scheme of things since without having good talents for the first two waves, the company would've gotten nowhere.

Another Holobeggar thread huh? Selen isn't getting into Holo because she was already rejected along with the rest of the NijiEN garbage, try fixing your shitty company instead of being talentless in another.

>>49278036
why would niji do that when the rival corpo does it for them already?

>>49272155
Then what is the point of management? Why do they get any cut at all of the money yhese events produce?

>>49271426
Copy that all down in the Book of Grudges boys, we got her for good this time.

>>49278861
No, she isn't, shitposterfaggot. She's a general vtuber DD

>get same manager as Xsoleil
>things go to shit
One bad apple poisons the whole bunch. Graduation is not possible though. Selen will feel too much guilt for leaving Livers and dragoons that love her model.

>>49273278
Then I'm the biggest retard you'll ever meet.

>>49278716
Selen was only like 400 viewers ahead of the likes of Elira and Pomu pre-luxiem. She wasn't some love wolf making the branch grow singlehandedly while everyone else flopped like you're trying to make out.

>>49279618
It sorta depends though. There's a moment where eventually talents will weigh out the pros and cons of staying. Even if it's like Lulu where she isn't as huge as before, she still seems indifferent and pretty happy doing what she does without the stress of management.
And that seems to be playing video games until the sun comes up.

>>49279039
without the bobon apex collab she would have never started doing apex collabs with all the large names.
rpr never noticed her as an indie

>>49279484
There's lots of stuff they do pay for...? If Selen just wanted an outfit made she pays nothing for that because everyone gets that paid for. She wants to do some special contest on top of that then that's on her to fund.

>>49278540
>>49278716
>herself
Literal 2view when she was left to her own devices, which included genius ideas like pandering to vore fetishists as a tomato to bait donations.

>>49279039
No matter which way you look at it though before Niji Selen was permastuck as a 2 view borderline 1 view for half a decade. If Selen was able to make Selen popular then that wouldn't be the case she'd have had thousands of viewers before ever joining. Her personality and entertainment value and all of that have helped her make the most out of the opportunity but without Niji giving her the opportunity shed still be stuck as a 2 view.

>>49270788
Negotiation? "Fighting for it"? She's clearly HARASSING management, this is a complete disregard for the COMPANY. She should kneel and face termination.

t. leather tongued individual

>>49278271
because it happened after some yab.
And a mass tweet like that felt very forced and not sincere

>>49270870
>literal slopfagging

>>49271079
Why are fagoons always trying to drag Pomu and Rosemi into the diaper furfag's fuckups? Pomu and Rosemi are comfortable in NijiEN, and fully integradted into Elira's clique. They will never leave Nijisanji just because your retarded oshi fumbled yet another dumbass idea of hers.

>>49270870

>>49280425
Anon jealousy is never a good look. And you stink of it

>>49271882
>Pomu did her homework before debut and then conditioned herself to be a Nijifan to keep it organic
Pomu is one of the few truly OG vtubing fans in EN. She has talked from the beginning of liking all kinds of vtubers and even have merch to prove it. And her story of liking nijisanji tracks because she was even talking about them when she was an indie 2020 long before there was any NijiEN. Before even auditions of NijiEN

>>49280158
That was then. This is now. Niji is a debuff at this point. Her value as a talent is high enough she could go anywhere and people would recognize the laugh.

>>49280806
>no argument
I accept your concession fagoon

>>49270870
>your brain on chud
>literally bootlicking

>>49280363
After Zaion's leaks it won't be a surprise if it turns out that management forced all of them to make those "unity" tweets.

>>49280425
Even if they’re in the clique, NijiEN is such a poorly run company. They aren’t the underdogs or a start up, it’s black company all the way. I can’t support the talents knowing the money they make is sent to Riku and his shady management.

NijiEN is getting chae ara'd.

>>49275165
>not for EN yet
More like not for EN ever. The schedule for 3D is just full of JP livers doing their thing because their managers can just ask for some 3D segment and get it done in a couple of days, whereas EN have to fly in with all the scheduling issues and jet lag that that implies. The end result is that EN has to schedule 3Ds months and months in advance.

>>49280363
They explained why they did it though. They got some good news in a meeting they were all in and were happy.

>>49280363
>because it happened after some yab.
No it didn't.

>>49271815
If some NijiEN girls do leave. IdolEN would be a great deal for both parties. The girls get support they've been lacking and they still have coworkers for collabs and social interaction. Meanwhile the company gets clout from pulling in established vtubers audiences, and will likely do their best to make the new girls onboarding and management as comparatively better as possible. From there, it'll be way easier for more Nijigirls to leave, since they already know somebody in the company, would have tech and financial support for projects, and still retain company buffs

>>49281340
Yes, it did.

>>49281264
We'll see. Things can change. I mean technically theres only 3 people that can even use their 3D models at the minute for some random thing if they wanted to. So unless you have Lazulight goiing to Japan every month until people start getting more people get their models officially 3D is never going to be frequent.

>>49274477
Billion dollar company.
Approve projects dependent on budget and past funding for projects. If there's a surplus, approve more projects since they create viewer retention and serve as a draw for new viewers.
It's not that hard when you have as much money as Nijisanji does. But instead they spend it on yachts

>>49281600
The point I was making was if they say yes to Selen for this thing they are either giving her favoritism or they have to just hand over $5k to every talent every time they do an outfit reveal going forward. Then what if someone wants to do something that costs $10k or $20k should they say yes to that too? You have to standardize things when you are managing that many people or you are just going to end up with a huge mess off ever growing costs.

>>49279856
>There's lots of stuff they do pay for...?
Like what? The concert they cancelled? Their DEI department? The yachts? Two week old manager's salaries?

>>49281135
Even without any leaks it was obvious they're forced tweets because of how cringe they were and it kept coming one after the other

>>49281781
>The concert they cancelled?
Yeah definitely. They made almost every wave in the branch 3D models for that concert and recorded half of it then didn't even get the pay off in the ticket sales.

>>49281768
Niji knows most of their livers are too comfortable and/or lazy to actually set up an event with prizes. It's only go getters like Selen that give Anycolor problems. The company would rather her just stream daily and participate in the annual baseball and music things.

>>49279856
I've heard they talents pay for their own debuts. That's equally as convincing as what you're saying without proof

>>49281889
nta but if any streamer does a donothon within 3 months of debut it means they shelled out major cash for their own shit.

>>49281889
That's true though. If they want special stuff for their debut they pay for it. Nobody has to spend anything though.

>>49281543
I guess, but between the mishandling of the AR Live, OBSYDIA livers telling viewers not to expect their 3Ds any time soon, and the recent home3D retardation, I don't exactly hold much hope.

>>49281768
>someone wants to do something that costs $10k or $20k
If they have the budget for it and the proposal seems good in terms of numbers and draw, then yes.
This is how companies works, NEET-chama. You make proposals for things you want to do and present them to a board of mustachioed higher ups. If it benefits their pocketbooks in some way, they will give the nod.
Additionally, since Selen is an entertainer, she shouldn't even have to work on stuff like this. She should have been able to give the idea to her manager, and ler her manager wring out the details and present it to higher ups.
Nijicorp is so far from normal it's not even funny.

>>49270788
>pay stuff out of her own pocket
Didn't Selen also pay for the wrestling belt and shipping out of her own pocket to Enna who didn't deserve to win?

>>49279910
>>49280158
So you have to be stuck to a parasite of a company that's profiting off of the major role you play in their success? They only provided the spotlight with the sufficient costs and screening process.
There is a lot of people out there with talent that will never be recognized but it's not due to their own ability

>>49282132
>She should have been able to give the idea to her manager, and ler her manager wring out the details and present it to higher ups.
thats always how Selen does things

>have an idea
>have other people do it for your
>claim it all as your own hard work

>>49271161
It's Nijisanji we're talking about, ESL-kun

>>49281883
What? Are you being sarcastic?
Only Lazulight has 3D

>>49282254
No, Lazulight has 3D debuts. AR Live was going to be a 3D concert, meaning everyone from Obsydia to Noctyx were getting 3D too

>>49281993
>>49282015
I didn't have any proof that the talents paid but it sounded convincing. I'm not as invested to find out for myself but I'm not crazy to make claims I'm not sure are true

>>49282132
But the problem is if you are approving that for one person you have essentially approved it for 150-170 people. There is no good reason Selen should be able to do that special thing and nobody else gets it. So while it might seem like "oh its just giving Selen $x to do this" when you actually think about it your are committing to spending millions. Besides if this idea was being evaluated on its merits of making money then there is no way it would ever get approved. You are literally just spending $5k extra and getting nothing extra and above that which you would have got if you just commissioned someone. It's not going to make the outfit make anymore money by holding a contest about it. If you want to say it would drive more engagement or whatever by getting artists involved and drawing their ideas and posting them to social media then you could achieve the same effect just by doing the guess the outfit shit they normally do.

>>49282254
Only Lazulight has their 3D models debuted. Everyone from Lazulight to Noctyx has them made though. Luxiem were literally in Japan recording their segments for the AR Live with all the waves in it. The 3D models for all the waves were already made for the AR Live before they cancelled it. They already spent all that money.

>>49282319
Even without the concert, they would all be getting 3D anyway, because they hit the 100k sub threshold for 3D within a couple months of debut.

>>49282392
>There is no good reason Selen should be able to do that special thing and nobody else gets it
This is exactly what happened to Zaion though.

>>49272864
>Pomu
>Rosemi
>Maria
No, thanks. We don't want Luxiem's cumrags.

>>49282379
I'm sure its true Millie talked about how much she spent on her animations and stuff. But the thing is that is completely optional. You can make just as memorable and impactful a debut spending fucking nothing. Pomu did her animations herself and I still remember her stuff more than people that shelled out on flashy animations.

>>49282254
Talking about Niji EN like they know about them. The cancelation of this AR Live impacted Niji EN for both the members and the fans. This shit was BIG, and fans had a couple or more months of build up getting tired of nothing getting announced. AR Live gets revealed, then canceled, and stops all momentum for the branch. Discord leaks, terminations, he said she said shit talking, none of that will do close to any damage to Niji EN as a whole unlike that one thing.

>>49282379
They all talk about spending money on their debuts. One of them said though that staff was confused why he paid for stream overlays out of pocket when they wouldve done that. Maybe it was Mysta or Alban? One of the boys.
niji maybe pays for what they think are essentials while everything else is paid by the vtuber.

>>49273278
show membership page

>>49273278
okay 3rd world country poorfag

>>49277313
Now this is just cope. They had a massive following in China and SEA but recently there is a million alternatives.

>>49280425
Yes I'm sure they wouldn't leave to get free 8k ccv and 3x more money.

>>49270788
How does she prevent an AI artist from winning?

>>49282239
No, because she's facilitating contacts, reaching out, proposing, and workshopping the concept. Her job should solely be streaming, she doesn't need the extra stress of projects
>>49282319
>>49282468
Why haven't they debuted the 3D models? Are they still operating on the "postponed" meme?
Geez, no wonder the Niji boys and girls were so distraught when it was cancelled
>>49282392
First of all, billion dollar company. They have the money
>There is no good reason Selen should be able to do that special thing and nobody else gets it.
Where did I say this?
>your are committing to spending millions
You aren't comitting to shit, you are spending money for projects when appropriate. You can always say no, citing time and cost concerns, and have them try to get back to you with a more feasible idea.
>Besides if this idea was being evaluated on its merits of making money then there is no way it would ever get approved.
Keeping artists engaged with Nijisanji, keeping Dragoon retention, and building up hype for another Selen outfit all seem like valid reasons to spend a measly 5k. Artists drag in new viewers and keeping good relations with them enables a working relationships where they can be counted on if there art is ever required for a project in the future.
Dragoon retention IS money. Memberships, superchats, merch sales. The longer you keep people ok the boat, the more money you make.

>>49282541
LMAO they barely interact with Luxiem outside mandated large collabs. Hell Selen interacts with them way more recently grinding shit like Overwatch.

https://twitter.com/Selen_Tatsuki/status/1657070051734982656
>playing apex with 2 professional Apex players
>"I've been doing so well in ranked, maybe I can be pred again!"
BOOOSTED BITCH

>>49283122
1) She's picking the winner herself, it's not a viewer's choice. Once she picks a design she likes, she can do her research on the artist and see if they do AI art.
2) This is only for a design, not the actual Live2D art itself. Her mama or another actual L2D artist will be making the actual model art.

>>49280810
First NijiENs debuted in 2020, before HoloEN.

>>49283231
bro no one's getting boosted to pred

>>49283231
Holy shit Selen. Stop playing Apex. Nobody fucking cares. We all know you're mid, so either play casually or drop it, just stop trying to larp like you're a pro. You set yourself up for disappointment so many times, it's like you're trying to become an lolcow.
Also, if I hear one more mention of Noc I'm going to become an anti

>>49283123
>Why haven't they debuted the 3D models?
Because of all the people who were in that 3D live show, only one actually lives in Japan.

>>49282541
>fagoon projecting
Diaper furfag had more collabs with luxsemen this year than those 3 put together KEK

>>49270788
Management was actually right on this one, though probably not for the right reasons.
By slapping a monetary prize on this event, she's inviting artists who were never her fans to begin with and are only in it for the money, turning what's supposed to be a fun fan event into a serious competition that's more about the thousands than herself.

>>49283355
Selen my beloved don't listen to this shitter, your choice of game is SHIT (you should play RTS or at least a fighting game, 1v1 is where it's at, fuck zoomers and their team games), but there's only glory in trying to reach as high as you can until you're nothing but ash. THERE IS NO SHAME IN DEFEAT SO LONG AS THE SPIRIT IS UNCOQUERED

SELEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up6Nxg17opQ

>>49283123
>Why haven't they debuted the 3D models?
This is just speculation based on facts so take a lot of it with a grain of salt I guess but here goes.
There are a number of factors in this really. Think about how they did Lazulight they had all 3 of them in Japan at the same time for around a month to record their 3 3D debuts so they could all show up in each others. So if they want to do Obysdia next and follow the same format they need to find a time when they can get all of them in Japan together for 3 weeks or so. This can be difficult to do with 3 people all at the same time depending on circumstances, but probably even more difficult at short notice. It has to be Obysdia next because they follow the order they got 100k for 3D reveals.
Next thing to think about, is what the calendar actually looks like or should have looked like. Lazulight 3D debuts fiished airing at the end of January right. Then they were trying to work on AR Live but that got cancelled at the start of Feb but that probably should have gone on all that month with various members recording their stuff. Then in March you are probably hyping people for the event or whatever don't want to show 3D models so close to the live event reveal and lose hype for the event maybe. Then April last month we should have had the big event. So if everything went as planned we wouldn't have had 3D debuts for their models individually yet.
Another thing to consider is that the Anycolor 3D studios are extremely fucking busy, like people talk about it being booked up months in advance kind of thing. Last year they had to invest in opening a whole new 2nd 3D studio because the one they had was literally booked out 24/7 for like half a year or something. So you think about it you have all this recording time booked in for various waves to come to Japan for a week and do their songs for AR Live, then the event gets cancelled. You have a load of free space in the studio you need to fill ASAP so instead of doing stuff you weren't planning to do until probably the second half of this year and thus aren't prepared for at all like Obsydia debuts you just move forward the stuff you had planned in second half of April, May, June to take up that space.
So to put it simply 3D studio is extremely busy, it can be hard to get 3 people to be able to be in a foreign country for months at the same time and the way the scheduling worked out are probably the reasons why we dont have any more 3D reveals yet.

>>49278709
People check someone out because of the brand giving initial exposure, however you're a genuine moron if you think everything after that isn't the talent themselves. Selen herself started well before nijisanji had a large footprint in the EN market, she's one of the reasons it grew in the first place. Show some damn respect to the people that deserve it, because it sure as shit isn't the company.

>>49283123
>You aren't comitting to shit, you are spending money for projects when appropriate. You can always say no, citing time and cost concerns, and have them try to get back to you with a more feasible idea.
So you are saying you would be perfectly fine with it and wouldn't complain at all if Niji management said actually Selen you can't do that $5k idea because we don't think you make us enough money to justify you doing it but Vox said he wants to do it too and we think we will say yes to him.

>>49270788
Poor laughing dragon

Come home, Selen.

>>49283682
Lmao, have you seen the legal term on that competition? Good artist with a chance of winning wouldn't join it due to how shitty the term is without some sentimental attachment to Selen/Niji

>>49284117
Weird hypothetical, but I'll run with it.
In that situation, management could go a lot of different ways:
>5k is too much for both you and vox, lower the pool and we'll do 2.5k for the both of you
>you just had a new outfit, we don't think the new outfit reveal buff will be as effective right now, ask us later
>vox has the same idea, let's have you two do a collab competition where the artist has to draw a male and female variant of a costume. You'll both get the models for them. Prize pool stays the same.

>>49283682
>she's inviting artists who were never her fans
So she can get exposure to not just those artists, but the people that follow them?
How retarded are you to think that's a bad thing?
Would not be surprised if you were Niji management, the thinking is so incompetent.

>>49284616
You are saying its ok to do it for one person and not to do it for everyone else.
>you are spending money for projects when appropriate. You can always say no, citing time and cost concerns
In that kind of situation where who gets to do a project is being assessed in that way you suggested it seems inevitable that there will be instances where the members who make the most money get things that Selen won't be allowed to have. That is the point I am making here. They might assess it not to be worthwhile for Selen to do this $5k project and say no to her but then say OK to Vox, Hex, Luca, Pomu, Shu to do the same idea because they make more money to justify the cost than Selen does. And you are saying you would be fine with Selen getting that kind of treatment? I think a lot of people would think its unfair.

>>49284734
I'm not optimistic enough to assume this will get attention from artists big enough to have any effect on her audience.

>>49270788
Can someone explain the outfit ticket thing to me?

Sounds like it's another lottery like model updates (which are pathetically minor by the way)
But she also mentioned that if she doesn't have a design by a certain date, she loses it? What the fuck is that?

>>49270788
She will recoup the investment once Niji creates merchandising based on those costumes and she gets her % of it.

>>49285255
It's not a lottery. It's a token. You get the ticket you can spend it on a costume. How exactly they get awarded tickets we don't know besides its based on merit. People speculate that its stuff like hitting milestones or achieving certain targets or whatever agreed between the liver and their management. I would assume what it takes to get one depends on what is realistic for the member in question to achieve otherwise small members would never be able to get outfits but they can.

>>49271815
What makes you think they have to jump ship to another company?

>>49285275
>"5 designs will be picked and will be awarded $1000"
>$5k/1% = $500,000
wtffff kek

>>49285449
She mentioned that if she loses this ticket (which is fucking stupid), she wouldn't have another "chance" to get one for a long time. Which makes it sound like a lottery

>>49285518
Being real about it Selen earns more than $5k a month in memberships alone. She has 54 emotes and you need at least 5000 members for that.
$5 x 5000 = $25,000
-30% for youtube=$17,500
half $17.5k with anycolor = $8,750 pre tax to Selen

>>49283682
It would’ve been perfectly fine as a goofy contest, like predicting new outfit designs, if it wasn’t for the fact that Anycolor originally put in their legal terms and conditions
>Btw even if we don’t pick your outfit, we still get to own the rights to it and use it any way we see fit. Can you click agree on this Google doc form saying it’s okay that we just did that?

>>49285777
its 100% not a lottery you are reading too much into the word chance

>>49285798
Cover's new financial disclosure reveals they paid in the neighborhood of $80 million in merch-revenue to their talents. Whatever Selen is earning at Niji is a pittance compared to what comperably-sized streamers earn on Twitch or in other companies.

>>49286027
What does that have to do with what Selen is getting from her membership?

>>49271079
>She’s not even growing her own brand after a while, only the company’s since they’re now leeching off of her.
This, it feels like because seh is still standing with relatively high CCV while most other nijis have seen large declines now she's suddenly important again to staff so worked to the bone.

Niji is just like that, if you're a 3view they're just leave you be not expecting to get blood from a stone but if you're a hit they would surgically graft you to your computer if they could to take advantage of your popularity.

>>49286085
Not only are her viewers being suppressed by being at that company, but her revenue is too.

>>49285979
I don't really think I'm reading more than what's there in the phrase. It suggests that there's a specified point in the future where the chance to get a ticket happens.
If it's merit-based then the element of chance shifts to timeframe, not acquisition.

I won't discount the chance she just spoke poorly, but what she said doesn't imply the tickets are a merit achievement. Particularly the part where they're time-limited. And earned reward that has to be cashed in with rapidity is not much of a reward at all.

>>49273278
Based.

>>49273278
>t. poorfag

>>49282731
>think are essentials while everything else is paid by the vtuber
They pay for basically nothing. Zaion's leaks already said that she had to pay her debut out of her own pocket and because of that she was in the red not so long after she started. Not to mention that she got fucked over with her first Genshin stream because it got in private, and couldn't recuperate herself as soon as she could.

>>49286157
>feels like because seh is still standing with relatively high CCV while most other nijis have seen large declines
I think your idea of what the numbers look like is a bit out of date? Selen isn't even in the top 5 girls so far this month.

>>49286366
Selen literally said its merit based.
>Selen Tatsuki 【NIJISANJI EN】
>im pretty sure mysta talked about how our new outfit works with a merit ticket system
You are reading too much into the word chance. She likely meant chance as in she might not achieve her next milestone to get one for a while.

>>49281135
i'm pretty sure that's the case because i think they did it again somewhat recently

>>49285081
Okay? Be a pessimistic fag then, I don't give a shit.

>>49286643
They didnt?

>>49270897
Yeah, I'll concede that Selen will be good, only if she isn't held back by that clique infested shithole

>>49286475
People are stupid wasting so much on debuts seriously. I remember Pomu's debut from 2 years ago more than Zaion's and Pomu did her whole thing herself.

>>49286682
Nah I'm pretty sure catalogfag posted about it but it wasn't as cringe as the one everyone knows

>>49286850
I actually follow them rather than reading threads on 4chan about them.

>>49285060
So nobody should get anything unless everybody gets it?
You sound like a communist.
The opportunistic and productive members of NijiEN should be rewarded with support given to their projects. Obviously there are other lens to look through than the moneyman's monocle. Talents who have an opportunity for growth and want to do so are just sitting on their hands, waiting to make you money. Supporting those who are already big works too, but it's really on a case-by-case basis.

>>49286899
So you are fine with Selen getting turned down for things because she doesn't make enough while Luxiem get given lots of things?

>>49271079
EN3
>pomu
>selen
>rosemi
>miori
>????

>>49271079
>>49271815
>>49272864
>>49273272
>>49280425
>>49282541

Fuck Pippa, fuck Rosemi, don't fuck or trust Lumi

>>49286952
Ah, you didn't read my post. Well, pet me repeat myself.
The opportunistic and productive members of NijiEN should be rewarded with support given to their projects. Big or small, moneymaker or no.
Talents who have an opportunity for growth and want to do so are just sitting on their hands, waiting to make you money.
Supporting those who are already big works too, but it's really on a case-by-case basis.

>>49287129
You've just completely changed your position then? Before you were saying its fine to say no citing costs and the only spend when its appropriate.

>>49284734
>paying with exposure
Typical nijiwhore behavior

>>49286850
The only things like that I can think of is a member will occasionally post a screenshot showing a group of them watching a movie together or watching the debuts together on discord that kind of thing.

even the "flop" talents at Cover earn up to $500k a year
>>49264758
Selen is in a company that panders exclusively to asian women, which undercuts the attempt of people like Selen to build an audience. Her "natural audience" (western men) is being driven away from the company, and it dramatically hurts her viewership. She could be easily more popular than Mumei.

Not only is her viewership being sabotaged by Nijisanji's female-pandering culture, but her revenue is being outright stolen. Her friend Mumei (who Selen is much more talented than) is earning easily over $1 million a year, or maybe double that. Selen meanwhile is throwing her own salary, to the tune of a couple thousand bucks, for an art project. Fighting management the entire way.
I mean even streamers like Nyanners are making millions per year on twitch.

>>49287515
fatty

>>49287515
>this is what Vshojosharts actually believe
3 graduations

>>49287573
>>49287844
Nijidrones aren't even trying anymore I guess
Literally only able to try and deflect

>>49287921
>He supports Nyanners
Based cuckCHAD

>>49271161
She's definitely going to grow her contacts. HOLOLive EN wants her badly. Selen better hope her contract renewal doesn't have some restrictive no competition BS where she can't Vtube for a year or so.

>>49287982
You think if she actually got a holo offer she wouldn't quit Niji immediately? I don't think she even has any friends at Niji to be honest.

>>49271426
>didn't speak in Mandarin Chinese to management, -50 social credit
SELEN SAVE YOUR RECEIPTS! Make sure you hold the power and leverage! And preferably exit gracefully before the company pulls some blackcompany bullshit and terminates you in an attempt to ruin your image and employability.

>>49287981
Thanks for proving my point

>>49271815
>And Rosemi would need a miracle because her past history before NijiEN could be troublesome to make her a safe entry.
I'll commit crimes against everyone who gives her any trouble.

>>49285798
Livers never mentioned membership as best way to support them, I think? So it can be that Livers get 10% from membwrships or something.

>>49288116
Not your boogeyman, Nyacuck
Keep being a cuckchad, bro

>>49287981
Why would a cucksanji sister have any problem with that?

>>49288059
All she really has at this point is Pomu, maybe Hana, Ike, Bobon, I think some of the JPs and Luxiem too.
But she couldn't nor should she be blamed for leaving, because Nijisanji as other people now rightfully recognize it, is a dumpster fire. From guys and girls talking about being swamped with offline work, Hana going menhera about whether or not she'd even get her 3D debut before they finally did it, the signs are all there and its about to fall down like a house of cards.

They probably have a non-compete clause, but its strongly doubtful that it's enforceable anywhere outside of Japan.

>>49288156
Nobody has ever mentioned what the get the most absolute amount of money from as a dollar figure in their pay packet. Only what they get the best percentages from. Pomu and Maria said they get the best percentage from Voicepacks and Streamlabs. The logic is as follows we know voicepacks is 50% from Anycolor official statement on it so that means streamlabs is also around 50% as they said those are equal percentages so it makes sense to assume they also get 50% of superchat after youtube take their cut because why would they get 50% of streamlabs dono but not 50% of youtube dono its the same thing. And youtube income is likely all pooled together and split out as one big stream of income so its probably the same across the board.
Streamlabs = Voicepack - liver gets 50% (little to no platform fees)
Youtube liver gets 35% - 50% minus the 30% youtube platform fees
Merch is below that

>>49288059
Just Pomu, if you really want to scratch then add Vox and Bobon
Then she gets along with everyone but just as your collab co-worker

>>49288517
Ok but Pomu should go with her. And besides, she also has friends on the other side, like Mumei

>>49288569
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g00kEcGh4j8

>>49287224
Reading comprehension, anon. She wanted these artists paid for winning. Anycolor wanted to pay them in exposure.
When I said exposure, I meant that more artists and their fans would be exposed to Selen because of the contest and might find her worth watching
>>49287195
>copy-paste my post
>so you've completely changed you position?
It's like I'm talking to an alien

>>49288811
Your position before was that it was fine to turn people down if you gave money to one person but not another form the same thing based on things like costs and how much money that spending will make you back. Now when I pointed out that Luxiem would get stuff that Selen wouldn't if it was assessed that way you are saying that actually it shouldn't be about money it should be about supporting those who show initiative and come up with ideas. So yeah you did change your position didn't you? From my perspective it just seems like you are flip flopping so that whatever the right way to do it is always the way where Selen gets things. Your idea of a fair way to distribute limited resources just seems to be whichever way of distributing them you believe would benefit your oshi the most.

Is it common to bring up the ticket? Certainly came out of nowhere.

>>49283355
based

>>49273278
the only completely justified reason to give money to vtubers was buying merch since you actually get something tangible out of it, but now realizing they barely see a fucking dime out of it in return then it definitely feels downright unethical.

>>49270897
She still gets most of her streamlabs donos anon. It's the merch that is paying for the yacht

>>49273278
It's ok anon, not everyone can live in poor countries like you

>>49285798
>$5 x 5000 = $25,000
You're assuming everyone pays $5 instead of paying in ARS or other kinds of fake money.