/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I did not mean to hit submit...

nice subject line idiot LMAO anyway botan sex

>>49198384
Let this thread die as I goto sleep in shame

Daigo Umenanora
https://youtu.be/we8pocYTlgY?t=89

https://twitter.com/Sajam/status/1656545591600766976
https://twitter.com/Sajam/status/1656545591600766976
https://twitter.com/Sajam/status/1656545591600766976

Thread in shambles!

>>49198342
>No subject in OP
Do we let this thread died and try again or just post through it?

>>49198969
let the thread die

>>49198342
live

>>49199421
Nigger

>ctrl+f /fig
>read thread
just make a new one

>>49198342
>[YouTube] Analysis: Getting Better at Fighting Games (embed)
>[YouTube] Analysis: Why mashing doesn't work (embed)
>[YouTube] Analysis: Why mashing does work (embed)
>embed
I fucking hate everyone who keeps fucking up the link when they make a thread.

Is it true?

>>49201682
yes.

>>49198461
Get Junior.

>but what is an idol
Figure it out because this is this thread's filter. This is the one question at the core of this thread.

If you allow everyone in threads in vt become astroturfing grounds.
Trust me, /asp/ is filled with 0 views desperate for any chance. You will have vschizos with pngs shitting the thread, and worse of all, it will drive viewers to become chuubas.
It is better to have no general at all than schizos breeding grounds.

On that topic, seems like the first OP accidentaly set up the rules of this general:
1- discuss Idol vtubers
Vtubers can be disussed as long as they are part of a corpo, we're part of a corpo, or Idol larp at least. The three in the op fit those caracteristics.

2- discuss hololive fighting games
Everyone else is fair grounds as long as they are playing IS

So is this thread about fighting games or Idol showdown?
Neither: this is a thread about idols and fighting games.
Wvt and fgg can full those roles if you want to discuss no idols.
This thread is a beast like no other, the Anti /lig/
They serve indies, this place serves corpos. They play several games, this just one genre. They love whores, we love idols.

People calling each other bad last thread and no lobby code to be seen, this thread's culture is already shaping up to be disappointing

>>49203436
On that topic, last thread did bring up an interesting point: this thread is mostly for newbies who just want play their waifus.
FT10 or discussions of " good" are better fitting for /fgg/, for that it's better just to go there.

What is an idol? Someone who tries their Best with a smile. What is an idol? Some who wishes to improve at all costs, and inspire others to do as well

Want to compete? Do what the Yuri poster says and train a newb. You will be his manager and he is your Idol. You will brag about how much he improved.
The measure of a man is how he treats those below him.
Help someone else rise, and rise with him. This is the spirit of Hololive, and should be the spirit of this thread: You cheer behind cuties who suck at videa and see them become better.

>>49198461
Get these whores away from my funny haha commentator internet man. No but seriously though fucking learn the game first before you setup a tourney mori. No one wants another jump king speedrun fiasco or tree sentinel speedrun

>>49203931
shut up nigga

>>49203921
I don't think this thread will stay exclusively about a single fighting game but the baseline of Idol Showdown should nonetheless will be used. Some compromise is necessary for a new general's longevity to sustain it once the hype dies, but as long as there's hype it should be used as the formative mold.
Other vtubers are welcome yes, but just keep an eye on astrosurfers. /lig/ dealt with it by gating it with numberfagging (they themselves care little about it but just use it as an excuse to filter). One of the telltale hints of astrosurfing is namedropping a list of chuubas and multiple posts mentioning the same "block" of people. Coincidentally, they may share a single discord such as the /asp/ one.

Also can we make a new thread?

>>49205082
I am the usual baker and I say let this one be for now, people can find it by typing /fig/ anyway
Besides it is nice to see someone else fuck up besides me

Also Good Morning guys!

>>49198425
The will to press triangle

Shuba gaming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyr7nWnneRA

>>49205767
Could Shuba be a good fighter or assist?

>>49206160
i could see her as having interesting moves, rushdown perhaps?

>>49203062
>Anti /lig/
That gives me an idea actually

>>49205767
dis duck doing strings
>>49206160
technically she runs an MMA club, so she should be like the mentor character in training

>>49206404
Actually he should have a head shaped like a fig all things considered

Botan players are really kawaii, she needs less merch.
Poi spam is so fuckin sugoi

>>49203931
Who can actually narrate this tourney that is acceptable for unicorns?
Who is the top tier female fighter, that korean girl who showed her feet?

>>49198416
No

>>49201682
I don't care if my oshi is low tier in a fighting game wth

>>49205082
> Lig dealt with it with numberfagging

That caused all sort of troubles as well as tourists from numbers, the corpo method is better because it is not like dedicated fighting players have that much viewership in the first place.

Hotashi is a 3 view for example, and fighting game vtubers would be a niche within niche, dying hobby for a dying gente.

>>49207666
>Low tier
You mean " she is trying her best"

Subaru seems coachable Hololive x Topanga collab when

weirdly, Shuba is I think the only Holo that looks like she's actually playing a fighting game. doing a basic string, actually backing off, waiting and blocking. and she got stuck straight into vs. instead of wasting time with boring CPU shit. sasuga tomboy energy.

>>49207529
in all seriousness Sajam is a handsome successful guy with a great nose, and yet i've never even known or heard stories of him with girls or ever acting like a playa, not even saying disrespectful/lurid things. he spent the entirety of late SF4/early SFV on and off a plane to commentate for Capcom, and others, and was professional the entire time. his only tete is with Steve. if he's not gay, then he's actually smart and keeps his personal life separate from FGC work, and hasn't let an ego drag him into any yabs.

he is basically as seiso as your oshi or even more so.
mostly what i see stopping it from happening would be when Cover contacts him to lay down some ground rules and he decides its just not worth the bother.

Man I swore to never use botan again but there was this toxic botan that was shit but still kept beating me so I decided to not hold back just this once and kicked his ass with botan. felt kinda good tbqhdesu

>>49201682
most of /here/ are unironically the least unhinge fans, what you have to look out for are the retards on twitter and reddit

>>49206930

Based Shuba.

How do you approach Aki spamming her good boy projectile? She shoots it out way too fast.

>>49208735
What character are you working with?

>>49208753
Suisui

>>49208777
sui's got difficulties with zoning, you can try doing staggered running and getting in slowly, and mixing up your approach from the air and ground with the big attacks.

>>49208735
Alt+f4 like a bad boy and wait for nerfs. In all seriousness though you have enough of a gap to keep dashing and crouch block when she shoots her next projectile, it's really tight though and you always have to look out for her teleport and muki which makes it even more of a bitch to get in. Also depending on her projectile you can jump in to close the distance, I forgot if it was good boy or bad boy but you can jump one of them from a far and duck one of them up close, you either have to guess or react to the audio cue which is also really hard. All in all, git gud or just plug.

Some sweaty Aki vs Coco if you haven't seen it yet
https://youtu.be/gNr1Jsmhzk0

>>49208370
>Seiso
So sajam is an idol? I might watch him

>>49209017
>he supports SF modern control

>>49209017
That shit looks grimy. It's weird that fucking no one plays Aki. That teleport stuff looks legitimately HnK Toki tier of bullshit.

>>49209189
>grimy
we say chou kawaii 'round these parts friend

>>49209230
What's the full code?

Grim= kawaii
Trying her best= UP
Sexy= mid (?)

>>49209230
I was so shocked at what I saw that even I couldn't hold back. I'll let the Aki mains and the Aki dev hate me, they'll never find out it was me.

Interesting.

Bros Ayame is unironically gentle as fuck and is the fairest character in this game and there's nothing you can do to convince me otherwise
>Oni flip is ~-5 on block
>Oni flip is not even an overhead
>Oni flip never fucking hits, you're more prone to get countered out of it
>Oni flip only combos on counter hit
>She takes huge risks when doing rekka because all hits are punishable
>To be safe she needs to spend meter, something that she relies on a lot more compared to the rest of the cast
>0 projectiles
>Whole nuech revolves around 2b, 2c, j,5b. All of her other moves are too stubby to use
>None of her air moves cross up so even if her combos give good oki the mix is only a low or a grave when other characters have an l/r mix. j.5c kinda mixes but it is really jank.
>Combo damage is fucking garbage, practical bnbs deal ~270 damage
>Very linear offense
>No disgusting shit like korone 5B, fubuki combo damage, suisei oki, all of aki, all of botan
I'll never stop loving playing her though, getting to combo out of exdp is just too funny

So I only know about how neutraling in an entirely different game works, how are they usually work for these kinds of games? Is it throw out your farthest hitting moves and try to follow up with something that knocks them down, then go in for oki and repeat until they get the advantage back?

>>49210752
>how are they
That made me cringe for some reason, how do they*

>>49210184
I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a shitty thing

Bonjour
https://twitter.com/LordKnightBB/status/1362644889343787008

>>49211402
Bitch doesn't even know how to play fighting games

https://twitter.com/WizardlyShoe4/status/1656676226218725377

This is pretty funny to me.

>>49210184
Well it is official, into the op she goes

>>49203062
>>49203921
I might add some of this, the guy from /ggg/ said >>48926095 it destroys threads.
No discord, no names, no fights: only idols and love
>>49205082
I don't like numberfriends that much and I think that might summon the wrong crowd. Not like dedicated fighting vtubers will ever have good numbers anyway. I think other vtubers should be welcome but remain the idol focus, there is no idol thread in /vt/ after all so we will be exploring a new niche

But what do you guys think?

>>49212278
I love idooools

>>49203921
>What is an idol? Someone who tries their Best with a smile. What is an idol? Some who wishes to improve at all costs, and inspire others to do as well
Coming from more than 50 years of Japan's history, that is not at all what an idol is.

>>49213719
So then, what is an idol?
Someone tell I have been asking literally since day one and have no proper answers

https://twitter.com/IdolShowdown/status/1656693223853809665
Patch incoming

>>49213645
I love /fig/dols

>>49213873
someone who has sex with a lot of old men

>>49214123
What kind of change will they do to the IPS?

>>49214226
That explains this then

>>49213873
Those hired by Idol companies
There problem solved

>>49213873
me
I am an idol

>>49215124
Can you prove it for those watching?

Poi does like 3x as much damage as it has the slightest right to. In general Botan's screen control is so absurd she should do less damage than everyone else, not way the fuck more, Korone can't even Yubi against her.

Oh except Fubuki just 214Ms through all of it jej

>>49217080
Lion of balance needs to be gutted in general.

Any yuro up for games
I can play murricans, but the strings will be rolled back and wacky

>>49210303
I'm a fighting game ngmi but wouldn't oni flip being an overhead break her? Ì do wish she had a fast overhead option though

>>49212278
I don't mean actual numberfagging, but a set of parameters, spoken or unspoken, to gate who's included. It can be something lodged into the clear vision of the thread like /choc/ or /vrt/, or arbitary and byzantine like /anya-petra/ and arguably /morig/. I don't know how will this thread go on about it, since I'm just one guy, but I hope avoiding namefaggotry and thread "personalities" dominate while also not encouraging antis. The second part is important because while its okay to not like certain vtubers, someone who keeps screeching about them is most likely mentally ill and will bring down the quality of the thread (props to /vrt/ for example for welcoming kiki and telling dramafags to fuck off as its not retro-related).

>>49217080
>>49217128
How do you nerf botan without making her mains feel castrated?

Its over

>>49219042
There really is no way to do that, she has everything at her disposal so nerfs would have to remove a big chunk of her damage output.

Is there a point to Suisei's 2 meter super aside from mind games? How come other characters' 2 meter supers get affected less by damage scaling (if I'm not mistaken) at the end of long combos while suisei's hits like feathers.

>>49215751
I am doing my best... isn't that enough proof?
>>49218979
> I don't know how will this thread go on about it,
We will figure it out along the road I guess? I have no idea either. I came up with the idol thing on a whim.
> telling dramafags to fuck off as its not retro-related
Keep everything fighting game related then seems like a good rule.
Sadly I don't think we will ever have dedicated jannies to ever enforce them but we can try.

Fite me (eu region)
2B6DC52D

>>49199421

I'm new to fightan so I didn't know that a wired connection is essential to play and that the FGC hates wifi players. Now I understand why good players never rematch me...

>>49221609
an idol tries more than their best, don't they?

>>49221996
While rollback bandaids bad connections, its still preferable if you are wired to the internet. If this were fighting games before hand you'd be avoided like the plague

>>49201682
What you need to be aware of is that the vtuber community is an offshoot of the idol community kitbashed with the streaming community. Add in the anime avatar frosting and a zest of e-girl/e-boy, and you've got yourself a community that has the highest levels of mental illness. At least 85% of all vtuber fans have suffered from or are currently suffering from some form of mental illness. This is compounded by the isolating nature of watching streams which devolutes the mind of vtuber fans.

>>49222057
what do you want me to do...

>>49222291
and above all of them, the chuubas and viewers who go to 4chan are the most mentally ill

This might become the most schizo general since /infinite/...

>>49210752
https://sonichurricane.com/?page_id=1702
Classic bit of fgc reading.

>>49221833
Game crashed on your winning screen M, rehosting 68CF6792

>>49218979
>(props to /vrt/ for example for welcoming kiki and telling dramafags to fuck off as its not retro-related).

Do have any other tips from the history of vtuber threads that might help this one?

>>49222584
Thought you RQ'd and started watching cat's archive, maybe later

which song is eternal ocean based off?

>>49222401
To not give up, duh.

>>49222662
was unsure you winquitted, guess it's a stable game
ggs, hope we'll fight again someday, feel free to add me on steam if you remember my name

>>49201682
>slime villian from a kids movie about pollution

Unicorns, Schizos, Trolls, Homobeggars, Numberfags !

By your power combined, I'm Captain /Fig/!
Leave Dr. Manhattan to me

>still using the fucked thread
why?

>>49223118
it's funny

Thoughts?

>>49210752
>>49222564
Additional bit of info: a really important concept in fighting games is how "safe" a move is. You'll hear people talk how minus or plus a move is. This refers to how quickly you return to an actionable state, relative to your opponent, when this move is blocked - minus means your opponent will act first, plus means you will act first. The less minus/more plus a move is, the safer it is to throw out, because the less reward your opponent gets from blocking it. A very unsafe move will be so minus that your opponent can do basically whatever they want to you before you're able to start blocking again. Try not to throw out unsafe moves needlessly in neutral, as your opponent may take advantage if they block your attack.
As an example, Botan's 5H is -13 on block. If your opponent blocks it, they have 13 frames to do whatever they want before you can even try blocking or evading. That's longer than the startup of a lot of moves, so they'll probably hit you and then get a combo. Therefore, it's very risky to throw out in neutral.

>>49223118
You must live with your mistakes

>>49222291
Honestly I don't even think it's that deep
"Vtuber bad" is just a standard normalfag opinion cause it's new and different, so likewise they try to justify their hatred by blaming it on their vague monolithic mass "fanbase" strawman, "vtubers fans bad" but there's nothing really supporting this beyond repeating the talk point enough times till its taken as the truth or an extremely one sided misconstrued version of an event (Like Rushia getting terminated and dumbasses blaming it on her "having a boyfriend" rather than what actually happened her breaking NDA)
As vtubers grow more popular in like 5~ years all of these fags will pretend like they've been life long fans

>>49223118
Because I am not done mocking korone posters and their failed embeds

Who would fit in hit-and-run style?

>>49223180
I love my wife Ayame

>>49222757
I wont give up! I will bump this thread for months if I have to until it becomes stable!

I might be an inexperienced baker who misses the links but please support me in my quest!
Let's survive until we can go to /vt/ Budokan (divegrass)!

925827DA
any EU friends?

>>49224723
Worry not, i will believe in you forever and ever, you have my heart to carry with you.

>>49219042
By not making such a stupid character to begin with.

can i get some ekum bokums in the chat sheesh poggers

>>49224709
she is very kawaii (derogative)

>>49224777
she should be sexy

>>49224757
Wow it was laggy. GG anyway.
42E3907A
Anyone else?

>>49224723
Finally a cute baker worth supporting

>>49201682
are twitter trannies obnoxious moral busybodies? yes. that was your question, right?

>>49224899
GGs if I was even playing with anon.
I don't understand, do I need to press "Appear to search" to toggle it off, or does pressing it actually makes me appear in lobby? I can't understand.
B2B0C853 EU

>>49225307
Appear in search*

>>49223118
I'm no stranger to scuffed OPs.

>>49225307
By default you're in a private lobby when you make it

>>49222488
>chuubas and viewers who go to 4chan are the most mentally ill
lmao, no. Twitter has some nutjobs who put even the schizos here to shame.

The lobbies need to be reworked tbhdesu it's not like they're bad but they're lacking

>>49225155
and now leddits joining the fun

How much longer do you think this game will last until it's dead like every other kuso anime fighter?

>>49225734
I liked that black chuuba that had a mental breakdown and confessed to dreaming of fucking Hitler

What time does NA usually play?

>>49226227
Depends on how well they can keep up interest. New characters will keep people checking back once in a while, but they'll need to address stuff like making online better.

>>49226227
It will last a bit longer since it has the Hololive IP behind it and girls will constantly play it as it get updates
God knows vampire survivor is trash as a genre and Holocure is still around

>>49210184
NOOO!!!
>>49214265
WTF is IPS?

Can anyone translate this?

>>49227347
infinite protection system

>>49227388
>you guys
>it's been a while
>koko? why!?
>it's koko-chi
>i wanted to meet you guys after so long...
>...is just my excuse!
>i actually heard that i can legally beat the crap out of my "paisen"!
*tl note paisen is a dumb way of saying senpai
>oh, she's that kind of person
this took me 2,000,000 hours please subscribe to my onlyfans to support more half-assed translations like this one

>>49227575
Okay, but where is the link?

>>49226385
I'd assume 5PM to 1AM EST. That's when wagies get home and it covers both coasts.

>>49225307
Was about to stop at 1 AM. Thank you for games Fubuking. Very strong Fubuki.

>>49229066
GGs, I'm not really sure what my best abare button is with Fubuki, feels like As get outranged by Suisei 2m often enough and others feel too slow.

>>49210303
Kill yourself

>>49219042
You can't because they're going to be used to their dumb shit

>>49201682
I'm the Big Jack Horner of streaming audiences, why?

>Kurokami is a full screen reversal
>if you Kurokami against their Kurokami they just cancel each other out
What a fucked up video game.

>>49229237
Well, it was really rollbacky so I guess it was hard to test things out and just plain block. Sometimes I saw you do elbow, and then it would rollback and hit me with the elbow one more time. Also I feel like you could've spammed her spinning move a little bit more considering our condition, and frame trap me with it. But I don't know if it's that safe or not. Just feel like it would've hit me a lot of times just out of surprise.

>>49229237
you can probably just throw out a light tatsu
shit comes out fast

>>49229581
The elbow is probably not rollback, the animation when it absorbs/counters a hit and hits back just kind of looks weird.
Also not sure on tatsu framedata at all but it's true I forgot that it exists.

90% of my playtime has been against botans

I can't tell if the game is dropping my down back inputs or it's because I have to play on pad but I'm sure getting DSP'd a lot.

>>49226227
two weeks. Game is pretty unbalanced and online is unpolished.
I'm not shitting on the game, but for fighting games you pretty much have to come out swinging, no one has the patience to wait for the game to improve.
Also, I don't think there is much overlap between the FGC and vtuber fans. Dyed in the wool fighting game players will rather play an actual good fighting game and vtuber fans are happy just to watch their oshi mashing buttons on stream, they don't actually have to play to enjoy the streams.
It will be on Hisotensoku's level before long.

>>49229237
My fubuki has been being crushed by multiple characters at the standard neutral range, I've been having more luck with netural jump c, if they hit you you just get knocked down but if you hit them its a nice full combo.
>>49229581
Fubuki tatsu is not safe, her biggest weakness is that she commits very hard to anything. Except her launcher (2c) which she can jump cancel even on block.

>>49229987
Oh, I see, I didn't know that. It just looks so janky I thought it was a rollback lol. Your stagger pressure really made me frightened, I was mashing hard.
Compared to my understanding of pressure, I feel like I did so much fake shit it even makes me cringe. I am so tired of Sui-chan's 5M missing on crouching girls.

>>49230130
I have yet to see a single Aki. Not sure if I'm lucky or not.

>>49226227
It's not surviving past SFVI's release date
But at least it has rollback, that makes a small player base much less of a problem

>>49230337
wanna play my aki in like ~30 minutes?

>>49230191
soku is pretty alive for a game that old, i doubt this game will have that many players 15 years after release

>>49230191
>It will be on Hisotensoku's level before long.
so pretty active and huge community support?

>>49230500
I'll be kind of busy, I'll (You) you when I'm free.

>>49230337
You are lucky. I got to play with some random good Aki and she is way too overbearing. The most frustrating move is her teleport. It's almost impossible to block on reaction.

any EU chads?
C0D5C8DC

>>49230603
ok!
try not to be too late tho

>try virtual frontier
>hey this doesn't seem to hard
>Act 2
Oops.

>>49230311
Yeah I gave up on even trying a cheeky jump c to low/high as your antiairs were on point so stagger it is.
Having watched Kamones stream and his Suisei I feel like you did the Suisei stuff well so it was scary on oki everytime.
Though I feel like you can be more liberal with Jump S, on oki, on neutral, everywhere. That shit is potent.

>>49227388
There's an english version in the artist's twitter replies.

>>49222983
Change the logo for a broken hololive one

>>49230890
cute

>>49230806
So true, it's just I have Ayame PTSD since 90% of Sui-chan's moves miss on her (especially when she crouches), so I don't feel comfortable throwing this ever again. Need to overcome my fears somehow.
P.S. and Aki-I-won't-let-you-play-neutral-Rosenthal PTSD too.

Every new thing I learn about Coco makes me think, what the fuck. If she uses a grounded command grab against you during a combo and you're mashing, the combo scaling is reset. Look at this combo, the scaling goes straight from 0.9x to 1x and it only reduces to 0.75x. I don't even know if it's applicable, it's just weird.

>>49231293
Yeah at that point it just becomes a player/character check if they can deal with it or not.
Maybe Fubuki 2h can blow it up but with me piloting her, no chance yet.

>>49230778
>playing for the first time
>figure out Ayame's loop in 5 minutes of practice
>go for a virtual frontier run
>make it to act 3 and then an invisible Suisei shows up
I actually think I could have gone farther if I didn't take Ame's items.

>>49231537
coco is such a braindead character

>>49232357
she needs it though, she's bottom 8

>>49232357
What's the highest IQ character?

>>49232568
Ayame ofc.

>>49222092
I play perfectly fine even on wifi as long as I stay in my own region. I do experience slowdowns and other issues when I play against people a region or two away from me. Will using a wired connection let me play seamlessly even with faraway people?
NTA

>>49232731
Yes 100% it would be better for people who are faraway and it'll be even better for connections with people in your own region. Rollback is good but its not a miracle worker sometimes

>>49232595
Uhm based.

>>49232889

>>49232568
Korone, probably. She doesn't have any sauce. No neutral skip, no infinite pressure, no absurd buttons. Maybe I'm just saying that because I haven't played a good one though.

>>49232595
There's some truth to this. Ayame is retarded but you still have to know when to be retarded and cancel your completely unsafe on block 2H into 22H.

>>49232595
>>49232889
>>49232993
Why are Ayamemains so smug today? Did you oji-san not give you rape correction today yet?

The more this game gets labbed the weaker ayame seems in comparison with the rest of the cast. I just want to have fun with her run animation man...

>>49232595
>>49233109
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Ayame. The neutral game is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of when to throw out a DP most of the interactions will go over a typical player's head

>>49233607
Glad I'm not the only one. Players also got better at dealing with her bullshit.

I just want to use Ayame because she's tiny and doesn't wear panties

>>49234160
>doesn't wear panties
FINNA MAIN AYAME

>>49224723
>Until we can make a divegrass team
Honestly based, you have my full support.

>haven't played the game since the second day
>too afraid to go on now knowing i'm going to get destroyed by botans

>>49230693
Ok I'm free now

>>49235122
Imagine having ladder anxiety for a game that’s still week one

I’ve run into like two Botans in 15 hours and dunked on them both, don’t be a baby

>>49232998
>No neutral skip
air chainsaw

>>49235713
It can easily be anti-aired

>>49235122
Botan is not scary if you get in her face

>>49231114
lol perfect

After playing against another Coco, holy shit. This is what I've been doing to other people? This is horrifying.

>>49230568
Dude is asking if the game will be
>dead like every other kuso anime fighter
of which Hisotensoku is definitely one.
Safe to say he won't consider it active or 'huge'.
It great to be passionate about old games, but lets not lie to ourselves and others about the realities of these games.

can i get a QRD on playing coco? bnb, important moves, gameplan?

>>49235644
Oh shit, sorry. I've been playing with friends.. I might be on later.

>>49237003
bnb = hover over Botan portrait on Character Select Screen
important moves = hit confirm button on Botan and choose a collab partner
gameplan = spam whatever the fuck you want, learn an optimal combo and use shopping kart when in trouble.
There, now you've mastered this game.

I hate Botan's 2H so fucking much.

>>49236455
I have a number of times been fucked by Botan waking up with low sniper stance when I try to pressure with a standing normal.

>>49237003
Game plan is pretty much knock the opponent down, then terrorize them with command grab mixups. Most of her moves are necessary so it's hard to break it down to just a few, but her combos aren't complicated since she doesn't have extended combos for the most part, a few are just hard to time since they're 2 frame links. Most combos are just anything into 2H-22M, adding in more if you have SC meter to cancel into 22L. The other ender is 3H if you're not close enough to hit with 2H.

>>49222564
Bookmarked, thanks!

>>49223306
Guess the studying part will be coming from finding out which moves are safe then, which for Korone I'm guessing are 5L, 5M, and yubis?

Botan mashing.

>>49239170
One other thing to keep in mind when it comes to safety is also range, gatlings and your opponent's options. If I had to think of an example, Suisei's advancing axe attack is -4 on block. However, most characters don't have a frame 4 attack. So while Suisei in that instance does lose her turn if the move is blocked, she can block before the opponent can hit her, making it still unpunishable even if it puts her in a bad spot. Korone is actually a great example for gatlings and cancels, because let's say she does a H move, which is unsafe on block. She can cancel the H move into Yubi to be safe on block after using an unsafe move. With how blockstrings in this game work too, unsafe moves can be made safe if you hit someone's block at a long enough range. So let's say you do a blockstring that leaves your opponent at about 1/3rd of the screen away and finish it with a move that's -14. Just because it's -14 on block doesn't mean it's punishable on block at the right ranges, because your opponent might not have a frame 14 option that can reach you. So basically, it's a lot more than just about the raw safety numbers, you have to account for more. There's also stuff like whiff recovery and whiff punishing, but I just wanted to add the stuff about block safety.

>>49240130
Good write-up anon, I feel like just looking if it's + or - is a real easy trap to fall into

>>49240130
Very cool, so I'll have to keep in mind the opponents options too then. Many thanks!

Anyone else having problems connecting their ps4 fightsticks to idol showdown? For whatever reason my TE2+ is registered as a controller in game but can't provide any inputs. Tried switching to ps3 mode but it didn't help.

>>49240646
Mine works fine, I had issues with Steam not assigning it inputs in steam's Settings-> General Controller Settings - > Define Layout at one point so maybe check there but I haven't had any issues with the game itself

>>49209363
>>49224840
So is sexy actually mid I don't understand

Finally, beat frontier with the chains, time to pick the special stage every time I go online.

How do I watch replays?

>>49242404
You don't, unfortunately.

>>49242631
RIP. Got into a mirror and the guy I was playing did some frame traps I wanted to learn.

Here's a short description for two of the vtubers mentioned in thread if op wants to add them
Nadeshiko
twitch.tv/nadechama
Comfy witch with an obsession over GBVS and other anime fighters
Rie Himemiya
youtube.com/@HimemiyaRie
Cute princess who recently picked up Strive, has played Idol Showdown on stream

>>49241914
I don't know, the tweet was only Chou kawaii (Aki Tier), Kawaii (Broken), Trying their best (Mid), and Gentle (Low)

>>49232998
>No absurd buttons
This is one of the most retarded buttons I've ever used in a fighting game and I'm glad she has it

>>49242811
Thanks, I will add them
>>49234625
I already thought just now it might be funny to have just the brazilian shirt team as an uniform
Or maybe argentina?
Captain will be "Brazilian Ayame on a Wifi"

This combo would most likely be impossible to pull off in a real game, but it's cool. Does about 880 damage.
https://streamable.com/ysdds3
It requires your opponent to air tech after each j.H and only costs 2 meter. (3 meter if done at round start position like in the video)

smash is a fighting game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EByP1V2LhY

>>49236262
her 22S is a dash that goes really fast. Costs a meter though

>>49243650
Might as well ask you, what's the best thing to do after air chainsaw? I saw people getting a grounded combo into sweep after it but I can't figure out what the sequence is.

>>49245188
Well it is in the op
>>49243816
Are there any pics of an Ayame wearing a brazilian shirt like this?

>>49209017
>lord diaphone is playing this

also is there a discord? can't find any damn online matches

>>49245346
Dug through the archives and this is the best I could find

Man this game would be good it if it was actually good.

>try to jump in on Ayame
>oops we forgot to make her crouching hurtboxes tall enough to actually hit with a jump in, free indie game please understand
>at even health in round 1
>Ayame has three times as much meter because nobody thought maybe a safe rekka should have less meter build, the same way nobody thought maybe a projectile you can have 3 of live at once should do less damage than other special moves

The real pisser though is that the quality of connections has rapidly degraded into Jive "4 bars trust me bro" territory.

>>49209017
he mentioned a tourney, anybody know where the sign-up is?

>>49241698
Fixed it. Thanks

>>49246055
Brazilian Ayame
>>49222983
Captain fig
>>49208511
Professor Sydney

Which one is the best mascot for this thread?

>>49247135
>/fig/ legion of doom

>switch to Kiara assist
>Botan actually becomes way more manageable
Why can't I escape from orange woman?

>>49209017
how are these two characters in the same game?

>>49247939
She's the only reason I use her. It also has hilarious interactions with Kanata.

>>49246363
Small indie company please understand

>>49246363
>a safe rekka
Newfag at fighting games here what exactly is this? I usually get my shit stuffed back into me if I don't land my rekka

>>49245240
Personally I just do air chainsaw>2H>j.5M>air chainsaw because it's easy
What you're probably looking for though is 5M>6M~M>3H after it
In order to hit it you have to delay your 5M a bit after air chainsaw so they bounce up a little higher

blonde suisei if you're here good games man. Sorry about the connection.

God I need to learn an actual bnb instead of spamming armor grab kek

>>49248624
Ignore him. Her rekka isn't safe, all hits are actually massively minus and punishable on block. It's a mindgame on whether or not she'll finish the string or do something else like cancel to 214L which makes the move safer. Some creative shit you can do is only do the first hit and run up to grab if you conditioned them to sit still during rekka, do all hits then cancel into exdp if you notice that they always punish the last hit, delay the hits of rekka and hit confirm into a combo with 22L if the second or third hit hits and you have supacha meter, etc. The move is pretty cool and has a high risk and high reward because you are always punishable with rekka. Rekka does allow some degenerate shit like 2M > 236MMM which deals like ~320 with 1 supachat meter so make sure to practice your confirms as well.

>>49246363
>try to run some sets
>the lobby says the ping is around 10 ms
>match starts
>230 ms

Aside from balance changes they really need to fix the ping indicators. The game is fun jank but I'm getting tired of the eternal gauntlet of Botan and Ayame with brazilian wifi because both the players are fucking iliterate and can't understand why the game might be fucked on their end and the lobby ping doesn't work for shit.

https://twitter.com/JWonggg/status/1656676665387520000
https://twitter.com/JWonggg/status/1656676665387520000
https://twitter.com/JWonggg/status/1656676665387520000

>>49249252
Only problem with it is that it's pretty hard to punish it anyway because apparently there's no input buffer for blocking. Which means you have to time your mash right or your input will get eaten up.

>>49249134
>so they bounce up a little higher
Oh that's why it was dropping? Because landing 5M sends them immediately straight to the ground with no room to add more moves.
And yeah I want to do the complicated stuff because I'm finding myself completely zoning out otherwise from sheer boredom.

It's why I play Aki too because I'm doing something every second of the match.

>>49249605
they need to add an input buffer, I can punish Botan's shopping cart but it's inconsistent as fuck.

>>49231537
>jH. 5L link
is this a one frame or am I retarded? can't land her dogshit meme combos lord have mercy

>>49249596
The FGC do be trying to get paid.

>>49249860
It only works on counterhit. Also depends on the opponent's height, so Ayame is the easiest character to hit with jH combos because she's so short. I don't blame you though, this character is fucking deranged. I just learned her super grab is a fucking combo starter, the 2 bar one. But only if you charge forward momentum by using her flight immediately after a forward jump. I feel like I'm going insane playing this character because she has so much unintentional meme shit like this.

>>49249732
I've been put off from trying anything complicated for combos because anyone who's not Aki or Botan scales pretty hard

>>49250244
I just think it's fun. I don't really care about scaling or risking drops.

>>49249221
a little bit of a side tangent from your post
The current neutral game is potentially concerning ngl. There's little to no defensive maneuvers besides simply being more offensive and no airdash is fucking huge for movement. I'm already seeing a lot of games turn into minutes of footsies before someone frame locks you with pop off combos and fucks a quarter of your health. The only characters close to defensive are the zone-lockers who will make a point to keep you away anyways. Wonder how things will turn out

>>49249955
Doesn't Justin work for Nvidia or something

>>49249252
I honestly don't even remember typing safe lmao ignore these nuts

>>49249596
What time is the tournament?

https://twitter.com/IdolShowdown/status/1656872073787064325
OST playlist just dropped

>>49251371
>big red beat

>>49250212
Yeah you're telling me, and I thought I was hot shit because I could handle BlazBlue combo trials but fuck me Coco is weird
>236S combo
is this the one that supposedly combos with the otg buttplug? how do these autists find these routes

>>49250655
there's at least instant block, but yeah this game badly needs an airdash or else the neutral will get real stale real quick

>>49250655
>game made kof players
>no hops, no rolls
>literally a game about anime vtubers
>no airdash, no double jump, just one super floaty jump
i guess you can drift your neutral jump like you can in melty but it doesn't feel any useful

>>49251921
*game made by kof players

Anyone NA want to play?

>>49250655
This game does not need an airdash, it's not even built like an airdasher.
We do need another defensive mechanic though, even KOF has a guard cancel I don't know why this game doesn't.

>>49251864
I don't know how the full combo works, I just know that flight gives you a charge of momentum when used immediately after a forward or backward jump. And it lets you do bullshit like this, but I dunno how to continue the combo further aside from another fire. I'm sure someone else can do more, but you get the idea.

Why are discordfags the way they are?

>>49252744
oh shit nice, yeah I can get that to link. I'm guessing you can SC in 22C to continue the usual bnb loop after fire? or is there not enough meter for that

>>49253792
It's hard to combo off of fire from that distance with some sort of SC, both 22S as a cancel and 22H as a cancel. I've been trying it for a few minutes to no avail, but my timing might be off.

>>49253891
not even with mio punch?

>>49252460
>no guard cancel
>just a parry that gets you SC meter
>yet you can spam loop offensively using super cancel upon contact
one-sided as fuck
>>49251060
what even *is* the tournament? I've been out the loop in the main circle of vTubers and barely even know how the actual holo chuubas have been interacting with the game outside of some hags I like. Are the details for the tourney even out?

>>49254004
With an assist it'd be way easier, but at that point you're reaching 4 bars, either that or you'd use the SC for an assist instead of the fire. But I always use the orange women team and Kiara's not really a combo assist.

>>49251555
Hell yeah! Unironically my favorite track when labbing.

>>49249596
they should also try to find someone who can speak words because they don't breath through their mouth.

>>49254094
it doesn't even exist yet, just Calli saying she'd like to seek perms for it around end of June-ish. she was talking to Kiara who also said make it more casual like having a Zako Cup and a random select tournament.

>>49254094
You don't know what a tournament is?

Aki's sweep is a warcrime

>>49254959
>seeking perms for a fan-game based off of your own company
the shenanigans of legal procedures will always baffle me at times. Reminds me of overly cautious chuubas asking me if they can use the fan-music I made specifically for them in their streams, maybe I'm just retarded and am having huge oversight

>>49255094
it was explained to me that, for instance they had to ask for permission every time playing GGST, and would have to seek separate permissions all over for GGST tournament. not necessarily from the publisher even, but from Cover themselves - which is why Calli dropped that idea.
They've been super autistic ever since the Holocaust, as you can imagine.

Which pros are streaming this game? I need to steal neutral tech badly

959B0032
Come beat me up, I'm NA west, but I'll play against anyone for a bit.

I'll post if this lobby is closed or full of someone joins it.

>>49252053
you still here?

>>49256701
Yeah
1FBC2D39

>>49256859
damn I got work tomorrow otherwise I'd join.

Apparently there's a tournament tomorrow according to Diaphone, unrelated to the one calli is planning. Might just be an fgc only thing idk

>>49255856
I forgot to mention someone joined.

Anyway, lobby is closed now, ggs. Honestly probably should have ended it sooner with how late it is.

>>49257342
Thanks for the matches.

>>49256859
Just go ham bro no need to sandbag
I was fighting Aki earlier and then went to training mode to lab some counters to her strings
Would have liked for you to played for real

>>49257376
I was using this opportunity to try and find openings in her pressure.
That was kind of funny.

>Aki
Braindead
>Botan
Braindead
>Ayame
Braindead
>Sora
Braindead
>Suisei
Braindead
>Korone
Braindead
>Fubuki
Braindead
>Coco
Braindead
>Pekora
Braindead
>The other two mystery niggas
Braindead
>(You)
Braindead
>Me
Honest.

>>49257437
Considering she can't gatling her jabs into the same jab twice, her pressure is fake as hell.

So what's the correct way to play against Suisei? Alt+F4?

>>49257529
uuuuh based?

>>49257529
All fax no printer.

>>49247135

Is Kazunoko the best player in the world right now?

I've been playing for 7 hours straight. I think the last fighting game I did that with was DNF.

>>49258457
>dont say DNF

Pantsu.

>>49249252
>It's a mindgame on whether or not she'll finish the string or do something else like cancel to 214L which makes the move safer.
Damn this pretty much patched up one of my biggest issues when playing her. Granted I should be smarter about rekkaining into a block through muscle memory but yeah this is pretty nice.

Also Coco being immune to Ayame's ghosts on certain animations is lol.

Slow night, what are you watching?
Also what would you like added to the game besides characters?
Give the dev ideas they are /here/ after all

>>49259821
Shionyo as another teleporting zoner.

>>49259821
ino color for suisei

How busted are the most busted in Idol Showdown

>>49260182
watch the clips flying around in here
Botan, Aki and Coco are tier 0 from what I've seen

>>49259821
Watching joel make bulk bogan in the SF demo Also drawing suisei for fun. Gonna color her like cosplay 3 aka moom
Devs need to add a custom color editor like from KoF 13

>>49259821
Mori and her tokyo tips

>>49259821
Just shitposting

Devs should add the boss raid mode for streamers to fight all their viewers one after the other.
Stream integration is the future

>>49214123
https://twitter.com/WizardlyShoe4/status/1656698027485134849
Suisei's 5M getting fixed by the way

>>49260294
I thought coco was half non-functioning
but then again i'm a tourist

>>49260467
2views
And I second this >>49259821

I'm going to ask around in the AI thread for brazilian ayames do you guys want anything

>>49260978
Can I get uuuuuuuuuuh
Argentina luna and puerto rican ollie

>>49261037
why puertorican ollie?

>>49260679
She's the Megas XLR of the cast. Some of the time, her stuff will flat out not work or seem shitty and you will wonder how this character got past testing. Then the other times, she will pull out some sort of retarded glitch or gimmick no other character has and no one would expect and pull out a win out of her ass.

>>49260978
idk how but gentle ayame's and mor as fuck aki/botan please

>>49261157

>hit someone both in the front and the back with Botan jH
There is no reason this move should have ever existed

>>49261197
I see...

>>49261194
fuck I meant moe

>>49261238
If you need context, the guy is koefficent and he plays anime fighters and likes vtubers

>>49260535
I always thought that move was way too plus.

>>49258121
Kek

Can I actually combo anything into Suisei's 236S command grab super, or do I just have to throw it out in neutral after I've readied it?
Also how the fuck am I supposed to fully charge 22S super in a match.

>>49261831
saw a suisei charge 22S standing behind a miko lava pillar assist
when i tried to jump it he cancelled into 2H and i get punished
i also had no projectiles that could reach him because I was playing coco

>>49261831
>Can I actually combo anything into Suisei's 236S command grab super
Haven't seen anyone combo into it yet, only 236S 22S
>Also how the fuck am I supposed to fully charge 22S super in a match.
You don't, you use it to roman cancel unsafe attempts.

Hey guys
A bit early because I want to go to sleep
>>49262452
>>49262452
>>49262452
>>49262452

Good night guys! I love you!

>>49240130
Which characters have a 4 frame attack?