/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

botan sex

>>49046403
Speaking of frame data, that's a nice universal overhead. It's be a shame if you hit me with it.

>>49047039
Really is no fucking point to these things outside of ending rounds unless you have a projectile out huh

>>49046887
you should put the tourney in there so an american anon can go win some EN concert tickets i'm sorry i didn't mention it last thread lots of love goodnight OP

>>49047039
What in the god damn

>>49047132
I'd say Sora's would have a use but she already has a better overhead. I think most of them are plus on hit just barely, but it isn't good enough for combos without assist. Except this. I don't even know with this character.

i replied at the worst time
>>49047032
tourny vod doko

>>49047039
i've tried using suisei's for 214H oki but it genuinely feels like a worse overhead mix option in that case than point blank tk air special

Anyone mind going against me for 1-2 matches on NA?
I've only played a friend all day today and want to make sure I didn't pick up a weird habit.

Add Luna next or something something maya curse on everyone

>>49047611
Forgot my image again

>>49047504
Just annoys me because fumbling the M and H buttons and getting an accidental overhead is the worst part of having to play on pad or keyboard.

>>49047573
There was a twitter post for one where you can win a holoconnect ticket, thats all I know I'd say we should hold a tourney ourselves at the end of the month of something though

>Discuss Idol Vtubers
But what is an idol?

>>49047039
Makes sense because UOH is probably 0 on hit and block and someone said that grab is 1f startup, so no one is throwing out anything that's beating that
>>49047132
Universal overheads are nice for getting in people's heads, they're going to let you get free damage like 3 times then realize they should probably bother blocking high or mash, so then you start punishing that.

>>49047573
>https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1814104301
I've heard there were apparently 2 tourney this weekend but I've only seen this one

>>49047982
If it was 0 you'd be able to jump out, unless they're completely rarted and made pre-jump throwable.

>https://wiki.gbl.gg/w/Idol_Showdown
>Ayame has the best looking page so far
Of course

>>49048050
It looks like they probably did which would suck, or maybe only that super can

PSA for anyone using suisei
AlWAYS gattling 5M>2M in your combo if you want consistent combo from M into 5H. 5M is fucking buggy with inconsistent frame data and will drop the combo randomly, especially on crouching opponent (and even if you force a stand with 2s, somehow opponent will re-crouch mid combo)

https://twitter.com/yabu1/status/1655533327686959104

lmao

>>49047608
ok sure thing i'd be happy to play you

>>49048124
That would make it guaranteed on oki

>>49048055
Katana characters are very privileged

>>49048344
7EFD0FA2
do note the fact that im shit at the game

>>49048338
Absolutely dishonest daisenpai LMAO

>>49048338
this is the kind of dirty shit i want to see more of in this game

Any update from the dev yet?? So many Holomems is asking him to hurry up. Is he just another faggot releasing an unpolished game like Holocure dev?

>>49048338
The fuck is going on here? Is the A chan assist enabling some degeneracy?

>>49048554
Helps confirm the hit and also keeps Sora safe in the case they block high since that is one of the biggest weaknesses of IOH rising j.L in her regular oki setplay.
The real disgusting part is that this is all done from 0 meter at the beginning.

>>49048554
A lot of assist allow absolutely degeneracy.
Suisei has a true 50/50 overhead with the same fuzzy j.L>S or low 3M into robocco assist combo extension that will deal around 430 damage anywhere on the screen.

>>49048702
>>49048554
A Chan is not an assist btw but just a part of Sora's kit.

people are sleeping on the tengu stones assist and there’s no way it’s not gonna turn out to be nuts

>>49048829
Lmao, that shit is pretty whack then, as expected of a puppet character. Truly the most dishonest daisenpai

>>49048829
Yeah I know I just didn't know what to refer to her

Do you guys even play fighting games? My only fighting game experience is virtua fighter some 20 odd years ago. And I can't even get past the ninja guy.
I just downloaded the game since I wondered why the girls seems to struggle with the button input in the tutorial.

>>49048905
i'm a strivebab, personally

>>49048885
>puppet character
There are no puppet characters in this game (thankfully). Sora is just a setplay character and the fact that her projectiles remain active even if she is hit is especially dishonest i.e. even if Ayame super DPs in the corner oki setup she can't continue the combo followup after DP without getting interrupted by the delayed note explosion.

>>49048905
I'm a 2012 babby, mainly play Blazblue

>>49048905
Ive played Xrd 2 and some other games for a while. I want to wait until this games alot less janky before playing it too much

Christ I already said Korone is a completely pointless character given the existence of Fubuki but I still thought I'd play her a bit more because I already learned her and of course I get a Fubuki, eat shit to exactly the stuff I said was better, and on top of that it's like playing Dan against Akuma. Not only are her tools all worse versions, they're just fucking invalidated. Get punished for ending blockstrings with Yubi because the spin goes through projectiles, air chainsaw loses to both air spin and jB, round start 5H gets blown up by spin, what a fucking shitshow.

>>49048905
i played them all casually since the days of SF2 on NES, and Barbarian/Karate on the Amiga.
an entire apartment full of dudes playing winner stays on Tekken was the best shit.
But I still consider myself an '09er, SFIV is when i got a stick and saw the FGC for the first time, actual theory fightan, etc.
also netplay - but lets be real its simultaneously the most important thing that happened, but, the biggest curse ever put on this genre.

>>49048490
GGs game is pretty kusoge if you ask me though

>>49048344
>>49049528
I think the connection died, but gg I had fun. That marks the third time i've seen Botan and I still have no idea what to do. I do know I need to get better at inputting I think I hit L M H S way too early. But thank you.

>>49048905
I got into them around the time tekken 7 came out. Before hand my only experience was playing T3 on my cousins ps1 and the soul calibur with darth vader and yoda on it. I was real into fighterz in the first year it came out

>>49049564
i stopped using after the first match but I'm fairly certain there is nothing you can do without meter if I do 5m 2s 5m s2. But yeah the key to doing these combos is letting the animation play out as long as possible.

>>49048905
I played BBCP and +R before moving to Rev2 and UNIST. Then I played DNF Duel and couldn't fucking stand the online shitting itself with lagspikes in the first round of every match and moved on to Strive.

>>49049654
*l2 not s2 please excuse gator brain

Feels a bit strange seeing pro players play a random fan-game

When next update?
Hopefully before SF6 release

>>49049654
>>49049741
Was that the gap closer one?

>>49048905
Only fighting games I've put effort into learning were Melty Blood Act Cadenza, Jojo ASB, and Tekken 7, still suck though.

>>49048905
Sf II's then MK64 then some soul calibur on PS2 then literally nothing until I won a raffles on twitch for KOF XV
I watched a bunch of guilty gear but never had any desire to play it
I feel somehow a holo game is the only one i would bother mastering sin e i recently became 30 and i feel too old for this online rank shit

>>49046887
i will not watch your 2view

>>49049811
There IS no gap 5m is plus on block so it's a loopable frame trap.

>>49049789
Not bloody likely

>>49049883
NTA but how plus is it? Can't someone just upback or backdash out?

>>49048905
KOF UM 2002, USF4, SF5, GGxrd, DBFZ, UNiST, BBTAG, Soul Cal 6, and Strive
A little bit of everything but I'm still mostly ass

>>49049874
When Coyo makes it to gen 3 in 2027 I will mock you for this choice
Hololive needs a dedicated fighter

>>49049883
>loopable frame trap
give me 5 minutes to find that in the fighting game glossary then 5 years to figure out how to deal with it next time I see it. but once again thanks for the games I never realized a fighting game could be fun and it's ruining my schedule

>>49049772
One of the funny things when watching a big name play this was MajinObama asking the dev weather he was from SEA or not

>>49049927
i'm pretty sure its either plus 1 or 2 you can backdash sure, provided you aren't in the corner. If you do backdash though her 5 h catches you since it moves her forward and stays active for about 5 years. My best suggestion against botan is to look if she tosses out 5m in neutral and slap her for it with either a long counter poke or a jump in since it stays active for so damn long. of course that's easier said then done when she has the best anti air normal hands down.

>>49050080
The best way to deal with it is do wait for a patch IMO, I've done testing with it and it seems like a legitimate oversight.

>>49050139
Fighting her on the ground is not that bad as Sora but it's when she obnoxiously just does j.2H is what causes me to suffer.

This poster specifically >>49038304 is a whore

Bump cuz dramatourist are spamming the catalog again

>>49048905
I am someone who "thinks they like fighting games" so I pick one every once in a while, probably beat story mode and never touch online.

>>49048905
I played mostly the single player mode, never went against online players
Skullgirls, BBxtag, does hisoutensoku counts?

>>49048905
As a kid I played the KoF series on a Neo Geo emulator, but I've never played fighting games online, even though I buy them when they're on sale
GBVS is/was on sale for $2 recently

how does a character like coco and a character like botan coexist in the same game?

>>49048905
Sure do, my main game is Tekken 7 but I've played a lot of 2D fighters like SF, MvC, DarkStalkers, Samsho etc. Can get kind of irritating if you're consistently getting slam jammed but once you figure out and counter what's been bothering, there's no better feeling.

I actually just had a dream about Idol Showdown and the last 3 characters were AZKi, Nene and Anya, what a retarded roster

>>49052124
Never saw Zangief's matchup against Dhalsim in SF2 or Iron Tager against Rachel Alucard in CT?

>>49052423
nta but zangief and tager was at least a real/functional character. its still a beta though

>>49052816
Coco isn't strong but she's definitely more of a character than CT Tager.

speedy board...

>>49055200
here, have an esl 2view playing the game
https://www.twitch.tv/lune_astelia

>Oshi is Miko
>Pick Suisei to make MiComet
>Never use Miko cause collab meter is tied to cancels
>Suisei sucks
Should I just switch to Korone for MiKorone or pick Sora instead?

what other assists make the universal overhead combo? I tried some and it looks like only Mio combos with it.

Tips for Suisei neutral?

>>49056244
Spam gunshot. That's her entire neutral, because everything else is either slow or unsafe.

>>49055945
Play Korone's Miko skin for double Miko
Or Ayame for the better miko

Miko in 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQowADdIYpY

>>49046887
>Suisei Shion colors
Based

>>49057351
kek

>>49057351
Botan is the sole reason I run orange woman assist. I don't even care that she's useless against Ayame.

Is it just me or is Korone's 6mm a little inconsistent. Sometimes the first hit whiffs at point black after 5m and sometimes they are able to block the follow up.

>>49057351
Finally some goddamn OC for the op

>botan got nerfed
it's fucking over

>>49058135
Such is life in week 1

How do you deal with the frustration of being combo stunned into oblivion? I'm keep grinding but every time I get hit by that epic 30 hit combo that leaves me unable to do anything for 20 seconds it tilts me and I end up making more mistakes and falling into yet another 30 hit combo that leaves me sitting there being a punching bag to 20 seconds

>>49055945
Miko is kinda useless for suisei. Best assist for suisei is robocco probably. I wanted to make suisei iroha but I can't find good use for her neither.

>>49058135
good
behead all poifags

>>49046887
> Previous

>>49058094
Maybe include most recent patch notes in the OP too next?

>>49057351
I thought this only works again A.I but my pvp experience told me different thing.

>>49046887
Is that a project Melody alt for Coco?

>>49058819
>Replacing Miko
I might as well play Sora/Roboco at that point.
Using Miko is non-negotiable.

>>49023017
Yeah I've liked it ok the little bit I've got to play. A little too ARC style in the button setup (I'm old, so I'm more accustomed to CAP/SNK layouts). I'm not super attached to Hololive IPs but I follow enough to catch the bits and such, and it seems well made. While I'm 50/50 on the overall art style it's still really good for a western doujin game. I hope it continues to expand into a VS style game, but that's just personal bias. Here's to hoping they make Calli into a SamSho 2 Earthquake style character.
Your oshi probably can't, but if you have an indie oshi, tell em to
>Install Fightcade for fun retro game collabs

>>49056996
>She picked miComet.
That's my oshi alright.

>>49058986
Throw me a link
>>49058986
yeh
>>49058878
Goddamit

Also Good Morning /fig/!

>>49060416
>Clap clap

>>49060416
>>49057351
Kek

>>49048338
Saw this coming with Sora's kit but I'm too stupid to find tech myself so I will now xcopy this shit.

>>49060354
https://steamdb.info/app/1742020/patchnotes/

>>49058721
go play DBFZ and you'll realize how good you have it

we'll make our own Holo Fighter, with ms paint and clowns.

>>49061085
> Get combo that carried you all the way to corner and end with like 2-3 cut scenes of super
> Now you have to block like 2-3 different mix up with assist.

So who do you think will be released as the final four playable and assist characters?

>>49046887
Isn’t the guy who runs this a creep?

>>49061924
You can probably deduce it from the dev follow list

>>49061924

Final 4? You mean 3 right? Well, one that is assured is Pekora, then the other two... I'm gonna guess Gura/Mori and Haachama myself.

With that said, with the success they're having, no way in hell they're gonna limit themselves to a roster of just 11.

>>49061312
>>49060806
>>49060416
Good stuffs today

Doesn't iroha completely destroy botan's neutral? Botans love to spam j.2h and iroha's assist basically controls the air

>>49060416
>most superchatted holo of her time
>has no problem building superchat meter
Dare I say it? KINO

>>49052408
Supa nenechi is a must tho

>>49061668
You don't even have to get hit, the blockstrings also last an eternity

>>49052423
Was dhalsim good in OG SF2

>>49062472
Using collab to counter one button. Are you for real?

>>49061312
Poruka...

>>49062682
I mean, it's an idea. Unless I'm just retarded, most collabs aren't that good in the first place and air control seems pretty important.

>>49062611
S1 on release A Gohan was some real shit lol
Though idol showdown has some janky as shit as well.
https://twitter.com/MakotoHikawa/status/1655087512132435968?s=20
I think the dev gonna have to remove air unblockable move eventually or more shit like this will probably get discovered.

>>49062472
>Botans love to spam j.2h
in what universe, all the botans I fight start with 4M into 5H into 2H into 214M, and then basically stand there if that entire combo is blocked

>>49062888
Botan doesn't need to be in the air to control neutral. Her grounded buttons are insane too.
5M 2H are both good. She also has a 5f low in 2L. She doesn't need j.2h, that's just the icing on an already stacked moveset.

>>49063054
I don't know about you but most competent botan's I fight against spam j.2h, it literally feels like Bryan's orbital from tekken. It has a lot of active frames, very fast recovery, combos on hit, safe on block, you can continue to pressure on block, great range, snuffs a lot of approaches

>>49057351
>This comic comes out
>Botan nerfed inmediately

Most influential thread

Who's the go to when I've mostly played Johnny/Litchi?

>>49062665
I don't know but I remember that match up really sucked for Zangief. I think it was like 8-2 or 7-3 in Dhalsim's favor

>>49063031
This feels like we are playing marvel now instead of unlockable on incoming its unblockable in the corner

>>49064146
Dev will probably patch it soon. I don't think modern fighting games should have unblockable set up. This seems to be fairly easy to set up for every character has 2H as air unblockable normal, which cause this issue in the first place. Any character that can end a combo that force an air tech in corner can force apply the unblockable with assist/collab. I think I saw a streamer doing it with fubuki using robocco assist

>>49063031
Stealing that shit. i love Suisei

/fig/ure it out

>>49061312
Being polka is suffering...

>>49061312
>dorya
I never knew suisei was a mishima...

>>49063393
Aki

>>49066319
She's live right now and no one linked her...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGq09ymdvYA

Korone is the strongest idol out of all of them

What the hell is going on in the catalog there are like three different shitstorms we are not even close to the 25

>>49067177
based poster

>>49064146
I think air unblockables are fine, but they should really remove auto tech in the air and make it so that you need to hold a button to tech so you can choose when to tech, or if you are going to implement auto air tech, make it so that you're invulnerable until you touch the ground unless you perform an air action after teching.

>>49065650
/fig/ma balls

>>49060416
I miss kaichou...

>>49067788
We have kaichou at home anon

>hear Botan got nerfed
>check out the changes
>it's literally just one change
I mean it's a good change but I was really hoping they'd actually add some fucking recovery to j.H and j.2H and make her 2L 6f instead of 5f. Botan niggers jump and mash more than Melty players.

>>49049311
they should have just made Korone Sonic

I also hope they adjust their damage scaling system. Botan getting like 50% for no effort when Aki needs to do this shit to barely not even get 50% is dumb.

https://twitter.com/UriParadise_/status/1655950282428403714

>>49067788
I miss kaichou and rushia and I will NOT apologize

>Super Korone isn't comboing from MChainsaw reliably anymore
Oh no my crutch...

>>49048905
I like fighting games a lot but I’m pretty casual when it comes to them. Never been the type to go into training mode to learn combos

https://twitter.com/ClearLamp_o/status/1655955027171893254

Aki starting to get more tech

Nerf her damage already hack devs.

>>49048905
haha lol no the instant I figured out how botan's combo goes I dropped out of training mode to go online to spam that one combo until the opponent dies or I get punished

Yooodayooooo!

>>49067099
Thanks anon. I will watch her.

The input reader in this game is trash. And they just had to make it worse by adding in directional shortcuts that share a same button as other specials.
Devs must be cheatbox players.

I'm pretty sure the devs secretly browse this thread.

>>49071323
>Secretly
Dev was literally in Shimadas chat yesterday where do you think he heard about her

>>49071503
>Shimadas chat
Is that a new nickname for a holomember?

>>49071595
no it's some random 2view that played idol showdown a while back and got linked here and the devs somehow showed up in her chat

>>49071706
>random 2view
Were they a funny 2view? I might check them out if they stream idol showdown again.

>>49070850
I really fucking hate that 212 inputs don't give 22 anyways. This game looks for the most precise inputs when it comes to 22s but when it comes to 236x you can do 16x and still accidentally get the 236 because....

>>49071854
It was a wild stream

>>49071854
She'll be streaming it again tomorrow at 7PM PDT

>>49071595
Apparently there are only TWO corpos in THE ENTIRE WESTERN SCENE that play fighting games regularly, I know this because I have been asking in EVERY GODDAMN THREAD to put them in the op and there is NOTHING

Coyo from Kemono friends is one of them and apparently Shimada was in Tsunderia before the collapse. That was Kana's company I remember her from hlgg.

Finally fought a Botan that was decent and I can see why people hate her. When they got me fullscreen I basically lost the game because they'd spam shots and grenades. It's also annoying how one of the better zoners has the best combo damage in the game and you end up at a huge health disadvantage when she hits you once.
But, whenever I got in their face they were basically dead, the only annoying thing at that point was 5M because it makes her hurtbox basically disappear.
I think Aki is definitely more busted.

>>49072732
Vtubers don't really play fighting games, the only one I've ever known who does is Shimada.

>>49073015
WHY DOES WACTOR HAS NO DEDICATED FIGHITING GAME VTUBERS THEY ARE A COMPANY FULL OF SPICS

WHY IS THIS GENRE SO DEAD

WHY DID STREET FIGHTER V HAD TO SUCK SO MUCH

WHY IS /FGG/ SUCH A HORRENDOUS PLACE

WHY DID THEY CHANGE BRIDGET LORE

WHY EVERYTHING I LOVE STRUGGLES

LIFE IS NOT FAIR

>>49048905
I only play single player modes in fighting games. (Mostly for the art/animation and hot girls. Fighting games tend to have the best animations paired with beautiful 2D and 3D women)

Oh cute, Aki's recording lines too.

>>49073641

>>49073229
>WHY IS THIS GENRE SO DEAD
I love FGs but no one should ever unironically pay 60$ (and however much for DLC) for one over games like Elden Ring

>>49072946
botan is stupidly busted. I can't reliably land her combo with the rifle yet and I still made six people ragequit by just landing an initial combo and just backing off and plinking them with grenades and mag dumps until the come to me and I can repeat the process. Even Aki, who from what I gather is supposed to be her natural counter gets her face melted by the 5M combo, it's nuts

>>49073830
I mean in theory you can get endless hours out of a fighting game because it has multiplayer, but yeah a lot of fighting games of late have very barebones singleplayer content so the people who don't want to grind ranked have nothing to do is definitely a factor, I've seen a lot of people interested in SF6 particularly because it seems more like a 'complete package' or a 'real video game' in their words and I can't really blame them.

>>49073641
Please keep good boy/bad boy in devs

>>49074184
I miss fighting games having story modes where you actually fight

>>49073888
Apparently Korone doesn't get hit by the low grenade when she's doing chainsaw and I think that's what helped me a lot when I was fighting her, her zoning on the ground was a lot worse because of that. I think the move is supposed to be projectile invuln but it's just not most of the time for some reason??

Also I didn't notice that the grenade toss angle depends on where your opponent is, the devs really do love Botan.

>>49075036
I once beat a Korone who was trying to come in from above by tossing grenades and watching them home in. I would’ve been infuriated if it was the other way around

How do I punish Botan? Her backroll is bullshit.

>poifags autopilot grenade toss
>reflect that shit back at them
feels good to be daisenpai

>>49073641
Nice.

Bump

>>49050514
hes right you know

>>49067537
My main gripe with this game is how completely shit and irrelevant teching is in this game, but I come from a soku background, so I might be biased

Can anybody get Sui 5M 5H to combo on crouchers still or does it always not work now

So have you guys looked at combo vids to get inspiration yet?

>>49078918
literally my entire day in game is me trying to replicate that one botan 15 hit combo in an actual match and failing

>>49078918
I looked at a few suisei clips to get an idea of what combos into what. I have a half baked suisei combo that does like 1/4 damage that I have no way to really end properly

>>49078687
Oh hey it finally started working and I remain with no clue what triggers it, but if they token nerfed Botan and didn't fix this shit I have to assume they don't know how

>>49078967
I got 5L>2M>5H>2H>214M>5L>5M>5H>2H>poi in a game the other day and felt very cool even though I know a lot of people can do it at this point

If you could add one Holo to the game and get to be the ideas guy for her movelist, who would it be?

>>49078918
been watching kamone and that's practically how I got my korone and suisei combos desu

>>49079398
yeah I keep failing in the second 5L part, either I can't judge distance correctly or it's one of the nerfs they made to botan

>>49079678
I think you can also catch them after the wallbounce with other moves but I haven't tried it. You have to cancel into the rifle really quickly to make sure it hits them high enough

What kind of fighter archetypes are missing from the game, and who would fill those roles?

>>49079678
>or it's one of the nerfs they made to botan
No. They made one very minor change to the blockstun of 5mm. That's all they did.
A joke of a nerf desu.

So, I don't really into fighting games, but is there no real incentive to playing aggressively? Seems like everyone just blocks until you eventually leave an opening and then combo's out half your health without you being able to do anything about it. Obviously you can catch a sweep/overhead, but if you don't you are guaranteed to get fucked in return.
>inb4 skill issue
I am aware, hence the asking.

Please give cococchi air specials

>>49080129
this scenario is precisely why they made air moves unblockable anon

>>49079869
>>49079678
Just did a little testing and I think it's noticeably better to catch them with 2M

>>49079593
Mafia Kronii with a playstyle similar to Wesker from marvel 3

>>49080012
I assume Pekors will be some kind of trapper.
Chammers would make a good stance/install
Polka could probably fit as a mix-up
There's no puppet, but dunno who would fit that well.

>>49080129
Depends on the game. Blocking too much in this game is suicide. The chip damage in the game is real.
>>49038304 has a pretty good write up about what this game's meta seems to be like. It's early days, but lines up with my experience.
Sounds like you just need to be less predictable with your offense if you are constantly leaving openings that your opponents are able to capitalize on.
>>49080235
>air moves unblockable
?????

>>49080567
Stand blocking don't real

Until they buff movement options I'll keep playing Sora. Her keepout game is really strong at the moment against most characters. If Botan wasn't busted I'd say Sora would be the best character in the game slightly beating out Aki.

Aki has more fucked up neutral but her setplay isn't as strong and you need to be an execution god to play her well. Sora also requires above average execution compared to the rest of the cast but you can go for easy mode baby combos into oki and still do well.

>>49072522
>watame watamelon super
watamelon should be an Apocalypse style final boss

>>49080012
Maybe like a Big body non-grapple character? Like Abigail in SFV or seemingly Marisa in 6? idk who they'd do for it, if they went by actual height I guess reine or kaela are the fit, reine with the tonjok special could be funny.

>>49081051
Sana would be better for that.

>>49081130
Who?

>>49081033
This is just a plot to try to trick me into suffering through BlazBlue mid-combo dashing and I won't fall for it.

>>49079593
Probably Ina, making her Dhalsim-like with slow, floaty movement, long reach tentacle attacks that are easy to spam but equally easy to punish, takodachi projectiles and void-related shenanigans.

All in all she'd be pretty trash.

>>49080012
Unga Bunga charge character ala blanka and charlotta, Luna
Stance character, Iroha.
A little bit of everyone charater ala Mokujin and Seth, Roboco

>>49081130
better? maybe. not funnier, though.

Any particular suggestions for a brainlet to get decent with Sora?

dream buffs for sui-chan (she needs them):

>fix whatever the fuck is going on with 5M where it breaks combos on crouchers
>make command grab special cancellable so that the cost for whiffing is a bar instead of a full fucking second of recovery
>make 3M gatling into 3H
>make universal overhead not complete and utter dogshit that's not even useful in 214H pressure

>>49082595
>>make 3M gatling into 3H
That would be insane.

>>49082691
if may can have it, sui-chan can have it. as it stands, 3M does literally nothing.

>>49080129
>>49080567
The game is still fairly offense heavy and fast pace. Once you get to players who are good at pressure and good at mix up, you don't want to have to hold block against them. The game doesn't have much defensive option relative to how strong the pressure/oki is. If you are going a better projectile character, you have to aggressively control and take space so every projectile they throw have some risk. You'll start to see players who will take miles if you allow them to even get close to your face. Then, you'll know exactly what I mean

>>49079593
watame
-attacks by winning games of janken
-builds meter by planting watamelons
-super is ui beam but can only be used when ui mama isn't looking (she stands in the background cheering watame on but occasionally looks down at her phone)

>>49082595
>>49082691
Just make it knockdown and be + if you hit the opponent at max range. It's a slide, it should do these things at the very minimum

Also please buff the range of her normals so she has more shit to do than 2M in neutral. I don't even care if they nerf 5M's frame advantage on block as long as they make it hit further away than point blank

>>49082941
It's kinda ridiculous for Suisei because her 3H can lead to a meterless full combo into a hard knock down. 3M is a bit niche but it does have its use in spacing and movement. You can convert 3M into combo with some assist.

All I want for Suisei is 5M to always be + and a reversal. I would even accept it always being minus and a reversal.

>>49083315
I see no problem with 3M being able to lead into full combos

>>49083315
>setplay character can do setplay off a combo that's punishably minus if it's blocked and is therefore a high risk gamble
bro..............

>>49083603
Give Suisei Gord's 5C too

>>49083151
In theory she has 6H as a long range move, but a hop kick is much more limited in functionality in a game people don't use crouching normals much.

>>49083566
Lol I'm 100% sure 5M being plus while standing is a glitch. Every other 5M is - on block and it's ridiculous for slightly forward moving 5m to be plus a block. Just look how cancer Strive Sol was due to his 5M. -9 is more consistent with other 5M in the game. I do wish the 5M can combo into 5H but realistically, you just have to go 5M>2M>5H for consistency.

>>49083889
That shit is short as hell
You're better off randomly 236Ling than pressing 6H

>>49083874
axe isn't long enough for move like that. They'll probably end up giving it to Mori if they end up putting her in

>>49082595
You want command grab to be special cancellable on whiff? You are insane.
>whiff command grab into orb
>they block in the air and you 2H them for free
This is literally inescapable without an invincible reversal or burst

>>49084335
>You want command grab to be special cancellable on whiff?
yes

>>49082595
That's a lot of stuff. I play Coco and all I want is for her armor moves to actually function before I ask for anything else.

>>49083991
You did not just compare Suisei's 5m with Launch Sol's. That's retarded.

How do I stop panicking and mashing buttons whenever my opponent does shit? I feel like a retarded caveman whenever I lose while doing it

>>49083839
It's a different game because air mobility in gg is a lot stronger.
Suisei's 3M is not that unsafe because it can still be special cancel. It's not that good of a move only because 2M exist and 2M is just really good and a better alternative to use in most situation. Imo, I still don't think it "need" a buff because it's fine having niche moves like that because it can still be used to for some niche movement purpose. It is only annoying when you misinput into it while trying to do something else.

>>49084964
gotta assess risk more carefully. there's a time and a place for ape mashing, and it's when you're low, they have a lot of meter, and you need to play desperately to try and coinflip a win. if you're paying close attention to what kind of resources they have, you'll be less inclined to panic burst or panic mash when you don't actually stand to lose that much from eating a combo.

>>49084545
It would be if the 5M is plus on both crouching and standing for suisei like the anon asked for. That's why I think the +4 on standing block for suisei is a glitch. I think sol 5M was only like +2 or some shit like that on release. +4 on block is fucking HUGE for a 5M.

Ina is live...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZe_4CMy1tQ

>>49084971
I'd say 3M does need something going for it. I mean it's -8 on block and a special cancel isn't going to save you when you can just mash against whatever she special cancels into aside from a super command grab. I mean for fucks sake some characters can punish it on hit.

>>49085343
She streams?

>>49085381
Anon, this is her third week back on a schedule.

>>49085381
I mean, she's just eating now.

Luna about to get fuzzied to death.

https://twitter.com/sakuemonq/status/1655728991612043269

>>49084971
I want to add that suisei's 3M is like Elena's slide in SF. Elena also has long fuck limbs that can combo so the slide wasn't a major move as it doesn't reward into combo but it still add on top of her kit as a utility niche.

>>49084964
>game with massive roster
Only if...

>>49084964
Don’t be afraid to play multiple rounds against someone who kicks your ass and pay attention to what you’re doing. Eventually it’ll start to set in what moves are or aren’t working based on the situation.

>>49085369
I think making it + on hit would be nice and reasonable enough

>>49085222
The range isn't even comparable. Also, Suisei's 5m whiffs on crouchers outside of point blank range. Can't count the amount of times I have dropped combos because of it.
Just because they are both + on block and forward advance doesn't make the two normals at all comparable. If it really was meant to be - then the Devs are dumber than I thought. That normal would be literally unusable.

>>49086424
I'd say neutral on hit would be fair. Or at least make the advantage variable. Most slide moves work like that, they're less punishable if you hit with them later. It's kind of odd that this one has the same frame disadvantage no matter the distance.

>>49086519
It would still be a dedicated anti-air, but that's a questionable niche in a game with universal 2H and so few normals. Sora's 6A is a similar "why is this even taking up an input" situation because her 2H anti-airs everything.

>>49086519
It's fine for a gatling-able M to be -. That's usually the case for most M move. Maybe it can use a slight hitbox buff but that's it. Strive Sol's 5 M was an exception and that's why it ruined the game for a long time.

>>49080463
>>49079593
If there's a dragon install character, I want it to be Nenechi

Fellow Doogs, do you jump H just to hear Korone sneeze even if you get punished for it? Cause I do.

>>49086756
It would suck as one. Both her 2H and 5M's lack the hitboxes to be reliable AAs. Also, it's air blockable.
>>49086774
Either is fine. I prefer a hitbox buff than keeping it + if I had to choose. It's the notion that the normal is comparable to Sol 5s if the bug was fixed that I had an issue if.

Do any anon's have tips on how to actually get the enemies into a combo as suisei? I'm not sure if im just retarded but i just have to rely on them just not blocking a hit for some reason or another.

>>49087240
Tick throws. 2L is 0 on block and leaves you are the right range to command grab. You are dead if you whiff it though.

thoughts?

>>49087609
i think this owl not sexy AT ALL

Wah is a bit uncomfy right now SO i think i will stay here

On the other hand Ina seems to be having fun so maybe she will stick around. She really loves Hololive even now.

why am i not surprised hoshimachi's are the biggest downplayers in the thread and write entire pages of retarded buffs she needs and say shit like 'a low slide should be +", all while getting away with it because the casual playerbase doesnt know any better and are too busy complaining about any mediocre zoner being too good
in a game with 0 defensive options or movement too kek

>>49088174
>Wah is a bit uncomfy right now
nonsense it cant be that bad

>>49087609
owl brain

>>49088225
gotta secure the buffs somehow

>>49087609
Reminds me of playing Sonic Heroes on PC but not having a gamepad so I had to hit Y and B on the keyboard to swap characters

Coco is a whore.

>>49088381
It's being raided by catalog tourists with bait and we takos are squishy non cofrontational creatures

>Coco
Will green woman make it?

I may not watch your oshi takos but I will admit the short hair has made her very sex

>>49088225
I don't even know how to feel about Suisei. It's disgusting when she gets in. The only reason she doesn't struggle to get in is because 2M is a war crime of a move. But that's her entire neutral. That's all she does. I'd rather her have slightly better neutral options and make her a bit less disgusting when she's in instead of just shooting at my toes the entire game.

>>49088225
I'm a hoshimachi who don't think she need buff, even without the corner infinite abuse. She has a lot of crazy shit going on. Her only true weakness is the lack of reversal.

Is there actually any invincibility on Fubuki's M+H overhead or is this a joke?

>>49089087
I'm sorry bro, but I gonna shoot them toes. I play enough Ky in both xrd and strive to spam 2M in neutral all day.

>>49089335
Korones cute pixel butt...

Okay idk if anyone else noticed this or if it's somehow intentional but I swear to god I've seen sora's manually detonated projectiles persist between rounds and hit someone before the next round starts twice now, before the other player could even act, and that sure doesn't seem to me like something that would be put in on purpose.

This game needs a raid BOSS mode in which the streamer has 20 times the health and other buffs and tries to take down 10 challengers

In fact all modern games should had something like that this is the future look at cult of the lamb all games should be made with streamers in mind

>page 10 on an afternoon
This is the last /fig/ thread...

>>49088968
There's a green woman poster in game

>>49090098
That would be a really fun mode for games that have screen filling bosses like some of the versus series have (Apocalyse, Onslaught, whatever the fuck was the name of Marvel 2's boss, Galactus). Granblue is the one of the very few modern games with bosses like that, maybe the only one outside of the random indie game out there, and they also did raid events in the past so it could be cool if they added something like that.
>Street-Fighter-6-Ken
Kek.

>>49093088
Gotta keep it alive until SF6's beta.

>>49093088
isnt the weekend and theres been many yabs recently but we should be fine

>>49090098
Imagine going first and just solo Irys boss as a challenger lol

>>49079593
Mori would mix be a of Vergil's moveset and Trish's traps. Maybe Jedah Dhoma's projectile.

>>49084964
crouch block everything.
learn what crouch block doesn't beat (grabs, overheads and aerial attacks that require standing block)
i guarantee you as soon as you start holding block, you will start to see the huge openings inexperienced players leave with their heavy attacks. you will recognize the moments that allow you to get free hits in, even if it's not a crazy combo

>>49080012
Puppet, power up, a charging defensive type character, a footsie type character like Chun Li, a limb based zoner like Dhalsim or Axel Low.

>>49048905
I just got here but ive beenplaying Fighters since before they were a thing when i played SF1 as a kid and then SF2 when I saw a new game with the red haired karate guy and HOLY SHIT A GIRL Fighting games arent hard once you have gotten into them and the weirdness of motions becomes second nature to you. Some people dont even get that inputs are based on your side of the screen vs the enemy

>>49094550
>Puppet
Mio is the best bet with Hatotaurus. Maybe Luna using the lunaitos could work as well.
>Power up
You probably mean a character that needs to do an action that buffs them like Jam or some of the SF6 characters, but the first things that came into my mind was Shion being a Nine function.
>charge
I doubt we'll see a charge character but I think Noel might work with that archetype.
>footsie
I'm having a hard time thinking about anyone that could fit here.
>limb zoner
Maybe Ina with the tentacles

Still hoping someone knows the original song for Symphony of Sora. It sounds so good in IdolSho. The arranges in this game are all good, actually. The first step for creating a good game is to get a good soundtrack. Holocure also has nice bangers.

>>49084964
Accept you are going to lose. Accept that there is nothing wrong with losing and it leads to your game improving/ Calm yourself down and realize there is no penalty for losing a match in fighting games

>>49095037
No by power up, I mean something like Frank West in MvC3 or Jamie in SF6. A character that gets progressively stronger by sacrificing damage in combos for a power up.

>>49095450
Nevermind, I didn't read it all the way but yeah

>>49095327
The penalty for me is the idea that the guy who beat me might think he's better.

>>49047865
Those who wear the idol dress

>>49095541
Well he beat your ass didn't he

>>49095450
Yeah I knew that was what you meant but my mind laser focused on Nine-Shion. Since you mentioned Jamie I thought on Lamy also having a drunk meter, with ice based long range moves that get progressively wilder the drunker she is, or maybe try something Phoenix Wright-like with Watson.

I was playing Aki just to try to unlock her colors and now I'm hooked on sending people flying with Mukirose

>>49095777
That's why I don't want to lose

>>49096047
I was experimenting with Aki today too. Her Mukirose Kick just feels good. Especially comboing after it. She seems like she has some good tools too, but I'm not sure how to utilize them yet.

>>49095541
Why do you care if someone thinks they are better than you? Why would it matter in any way that would genuinely effect your life?

How do you unlock colors?

>>49096463
Beat arcade mode, beat virtual frontier, and play online.

>>49081256
Just make Ina Scharlachrot.

>>49096463
drop acid

>>49084964
Fighting games are kind of weird because you usually don't want to mash or you'll eat a fat ass frame trap but there's also this term called Abare that's exactly that. It's only mashing when your opponent might throw out a slower move that you could interrupt.

>Watching Sajam stream
>Crying about Aki being too strong and Botan being nerferd, jokes that devs caved from peer pressure
>Check patch notes
>Literally all that's changed isn't she can't spam 5M for free-risk block pressure anymore
Fucking top tier shitters man

>>49096320
I need to figure out how to use her warps effectively yet and not just as an escape mechanism that gets me punched in the face. But yeah she strikes me as someone who would be the most annoying to deal with at her best

>>49096767
>sajam
Oh cool he streamed it? Guess I'll be seeing this in the next WIK

>>49096739
The more I look into fightan game shit, the more complex it gets. I always saw them as party games you play with your friends in the couch

Doodling this shit at work is fun tho, might do Aloe or Chris next, maybe a stage but no fucking idea which one

>>49096767
faggot

>>49079593
Ina
>Long Tentacle normals
>Multiple AA options
>Gimmick where she commands Takos with S
>Built like paper

God coco feels so ass to play.

>>49097126
These are really well done, what do you draw with at work?

Save Coco please it’s actual 1:9 against Botan and Aki. She doesn’t deserve this.

>>49097364
Literally just give her raptor move frame 1 armor
That would do so much for her lmao

>>49096767
to be fair Aki is pretty fucked up

>>49097451
If the devs insist on her bad frames they should triple Coco’s HP and double her damage. A solid mid tier

>>49096380
It makes me irrationally angry.

>>49097584
Speaking of which, are HP values universal in this game or is each character different?

>>49097238
Mouse and MSpaint (the XP one, I hate the new one)

WTF is this design? No wonder she got graduated

>>49097584
FUCKING. BASED. TAKE.
It's like, fine, make her ass in most scenarios, but I better be rewarded AT LEAST 400 damage on command grabs and 250 on normals.
>>49097700
Universal. Ayame should have 800 health imo

>>49097364
Botan MU isn't nearly that bad, but it's not good. But it's mainly tolerable because Kiara assist exists. Aki I don't even know because I haven't even fought one. Sora is probably her worst matchup that I actually tried. Maybe 8:2 at the worst, literally the only thing you can do against 6M is 5H as a whiff punish but it doesn't give a knockdown and you can't combo because Sora is too far away. Part of it is because armor in this game just doesn't work. Check this shit out, 5M has projectile armor, but it doesn't go the full distance because getting hit during armor pauses her in place, running out the active frames. It's even worse with raptor grab, because you eat the damage from melee hits, don't even reach because of the hitstop runs out your active frames, then get hit with a full punish combo on top of that.

>>49097904
Some Sora anon here literally beat me with nothing but the beam swords and projectiles. I literally couldn't get in. Sora is a monster in the hands of someone who knows how to play neutral.

HEY GUYS
Page 10 draws near
Anything you want me to add to the OP?

have any corpo vtubers played tekken?

>>49098669
https://youtu.be/_R0hbe8HZj0

This video shows important fighting game concepts anyone actually willing to learn fighting games should know.

>>49098669
Yeah the time and location for our date tomorrow I forgot to save it in my phone

I want to ask the actual sweat lords how do I get good?

I am playing Coco and I want to understand where's my limits and the character limits start. I understand if I want to win I must pick a top tier, but, I wish to ride out coco purely out stubborness.

Any advice? I learned to block WAY more cause of her, but I feel like I get juggled too hard or too many times I get beaten on neutral.

>>49098744
I know there's that one coyote vtuber that plays Leo

>>49096555
based arcanachad, I wish

>>49098844
Grappler players in general need a lot of patience and be very alert to the gaps in the opponent's play that can be taken advantage of.

>>49098844
With Coco, one thing that's really important is stagger pressure. By that, I mean intentionally leaving small gaps in your pressure to make them do something stupid. For example, Coco's 2L and 5L can be used to tick throw into a grab. However, if they're used to it, they will jump out. There's ways to counter it. If they block a 2L, you can wait very slightly until you press your next button. If you press 2L then press 2H a bit after, if the enemy jumps they'll get caught by 2H and you get a combo for it. 2H can also possibly catch people trying to mash out of your pressure, but watch the distance. You can also do 2L-2L. This loses to mashing because there's a 9 frame gap, but it resets the situation if they block, and if they jump you either get an AA punish, or you push them closer to the corner. And it doesn't just have to be done with grabs, you can stagger pressure anything to catch people thinking that your blockstring is over and make them scared to press buttons.

>>49098744
Rosemi I think. I believe she even did watchalongs of some tourneys.

>>49098844
getting hit is 200-330 damage 90% of the time, it's just how the game is. it's not much a poke game like Soul Calibur 2 or something, most hits will chain into full combo quite trivially here.
the truth is for a lot of people, you probably aren't blocking as much as you think. there aren't many active def. options in this game. but simply blocking is strong, since overheads are rather readable and reactable, and there's no combo from normal throws outside of some weird collab or kuso moments. Burst early and often, no point bursting when you have a pixel of health left in the round, unless its to stay in a match.

watch some half decent players like this guy is currently downbacking in the corner like a champ even as Aki; https://www.twitch.tv/kencyan_tqn

make sure you are doing the minimum of a BnB combo. you don't need to win to learn but it'll certaily help you win if you don't leave easy damage on the table. Scaling is strong in this game so a super optimized combo is much harder for not really much more damage than a simple launch and juggle.

obviously this advice might be a be different for Coco idk shit about her except she's a grappler, but still.
the more you play, the more the game will slow down, it's normal everything is happening at heartstopping pace when you are new.

>>49099275
Thanks for the idea. When it comes to thick throws, im a bit confused if the back and forward quarter circle grab inputs counts as command grabs, since I am confused how to apply them. The 236H one feels like it whiff always.