/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>48489677
Yagoo was waiting for Kson , silvervale and nazuna, pikamee and uto to return home

>>48489677
Yagoo's bi-curious phase

>>48489677
EN management was so incompetent that Cover headquarters decided to put a pause on any more hires in their female division and went right to the homos since the Niji ones seemed to be making a lot of money at the time. Not saying this was a smart decision, but it was the decision they made.

the talent pool is saturated with grifter and the mentally deranged

Chasing after that Luxiem audience

>>48489677
EN3 was food themed. Okayu ate them all.

>>48489677
Omega still cooking the worst lore that can surpass council.

>>48489677
There is no good talent left to choose from

>>48489677
Omega truly was the big decision maker for holoproEN and xhe wanted homos and allocated all resources of the branch towards them

This:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zAp8NOpVKU

Didn’t someone once speculate that a gaggle of /lig/ streamers (like Shylily) were going to be EN3 but something fell through causing that to be postponed and they debuted as indies instead?

>>48489677
they all failed the background check
every single candidate are toxic grifters who does not have any idea what Hololive is

>>48489677
They don't have a good way to evaluate candidates. With JP they are mostly relying on other talents vouching for new ones aka nepohire. With EN they can't trust existing talents, they can't trust their management, the entire branch is fucked.

>>48489677
EN is only given so many resources, and they used them all on the 2 homo gens. They overcommited to tempus because they thought would preform like luxium.
It's the only logical reason I can think of for the longest gap between generations in hololive history. HoloJP had 28 members by this point.

>>48489677
They need other corpo to graduate before they can conjure an ultimate IDOL.

>>48489677
cover has been training new applicants in an idol bootcamp in japan since Q2 last year.
you wouldn't want to know details, it's pretty hardcore

>>48490375
Is that how sana get in?

>>48489677
Everybody that auditioned had to provide their best performing stream in terms of noombers, and they were all react streams.

>>48489677
Because EN managment and Omega twatt want to copy nijisanji and do mixed gens hololive japan doesn't want to do that. EN managment has gone full rouge and want to change hololives idol image this is not a rrat it is a reality. Some of the girls agree and want the change some dont this has been known for awhile the infighting is real and hasnt stopped. Gura litterally has one foot out the door and might go the way of Coco because of all of this.

>>48489677
Euros either don't care about vtubers or don't donate like Asian countries and JP, due to this all the girls stream generally in the same kind of timeslot and they consider what they have decent enough coverage?

Who fucking knows at this point but some kind of assessment that releasing more girls will cannibalize their existing audience rather than expand it must have something to do with it.

>>48489677
Euros either don't care about vtubers or don't donate like America and JP, due to this all the girls stream generally in the same kind of timeslot and they consider what they have decent enough coverage?
Who fucking knows at this point but some kind of assessment that releasing more girls will cannibalize their existing audience rather than expand it must have something to do with it.

>>48489677
seeing how EN2 performed, they're scared that EN3 will underperform even further thus taint the entire hololive brand

>>48489677
they're still processing selen's application

>>48489677
I mean, have you seen the Niji circus?
Be happy Yagoo is taking his time or we'd have the same drama show by just shitting out talent.
Trust in Yagoo to choose the right people even if it takes time.
Besides, considering how big Hololive has gotten, who knows what kind of bomb auditions people are sending in to scar the people at Cover who have to check them all.

>>48489677
All the Vshojo girls are coming to EN3, that's why they left. It's a retaliatory strike at Kson

EN management are incompetent fags but I think the main issue is that the main branch are retards who are trying way too hard to be like the Apple of vtubing with their overall branding, and are afraid to add gens in general at this point, because all the branches slowed down and have basically stopped adding new gens at this point. They want every member to stay recognizable and shit and not oversaturate their brand unlike say, nijisanji, where they have a million members because they don't give a shit, and you look at 9/10ths of them and think, "Who????????" Unfortunately they're retarded and don't realize that EN should have been treated as its own brand (we can see evidence of this with dumb forced shit like umisea), and decided they reached critical mass some time after EN2.

The reason why homos keep getting spammed instead is because despite what anyone says, Holostars is treated as its own thing to some degree, and the brief explosion of luxiem made it easy for the fags at EN to justify chasing a new market, instead of defending the potential monopoly they had on another.

>>48490911
>seeing how EN2 performed,
Perfectly fine. Without COuncilRyS holding the fort down, and interacting with the Myth girls who do stream, HoloEN would literally be close to dead as a branch.
Where do you delusional faggots come from anyway? Do you think this is still 2020 and everything is great for vtubing post-Covid wave?

>>48489677
one reasonable possibility that came to me in a dream
they had everything ready a few months ago, but one of them fucked up in a major way and got kicked out and then needed to start the whole process over to find a replacement.
The one who fucked it up? Believe it or not, it was your oshi, nijisister.

>>48489677
They were waiting for Nyanners and Silvervale to leave VShojo

>>48489677
If they're not announced by HoloEN Connect, somethings seriously wrong. I doubt they'll wait for two whole years after council.

Perhaps they're having trouble finding talent that hasn't streamed on Twitch in the past.
Surprisingly, that mori didn't have a Twitch account until she joined Hololive.

>>48490510
Anyone who claims Sana was a nepohire is retarded, she had the exact same resume as Ina but even higher-profile. They didn't realize that she didn't have the same ability to balance both jobs, not to mention she got fucked by youtube and Cover in such a way it wasn't worth burning her chinese connections to commit to Hololive

>>48490911
EN2 is performing well though. Can't say the same for other EN companies.

>>48491167
We don't need your social credit score approved takes here Zhang, move along.

>>48491038
Zaion

>>48489677
Cober sees the EN market imploding and rather hold and see what happens than spend more of their budget on getting more talents that may not pan out. Also ENStars and EN share the same budget.

>>48491277
I had to drop any Niji streams after that fiasco. I could not condone that mob behavior that management conditioned their audience into.

No one in EN2 has reached 1 mil subs yet

>>48491038
Zaion applied to both Niji and Holo. She was in for both but her dumb ass didn't tell either company she was two timing contracts.
Cue in Zaion raising hell in Niji to get herself fired as Cover tried to prepare EN3.
Cover got wind of it and now Zaion is out and blacklisted by both. That is also why she hasn't streamed yet. Its not unusual to have a clause in the contract where you can't stream in Vtubing companies after leaving but she pissed off both and they joined to not exactly sue her ass but to punish her.

>>48491277
Was their best talent, unironically. Shame they could not do anything decent and shot their own foot.

>>48490285
>shylily
imagine her holofes debut going off on tangents on how slimy her unwashed pussy is between songs

>>48489677
They don't want to oversaturate the market.
>But the homos, the popular demand
Releasing just one gen and then having a long freeze would be terrible, they learned from myth that having a gen by itself would put a lot of stress on them members.
Honestly it's a miracle that all of myth lasted as well as they did.

yagoo getting fucked over by lazy ENs was his "never do business with the chinese" moment but for westerners

>>48491167
A ching chong to you too comrade.
Sana was Ina's nepohire, and claiming that she had a higher profile than Ina is just ludicrous. The space negro was just way too chinkpilled, and not being able to play all the chinkslop gachas, and promote her "daughter" in the raincoat furry game was probably the "dead dog" and "hort back" she made up to just stall until omegalul just let her go.

>Cover taking an extreme risk-averse strategy by doing nothing at all as their competitors have been collapsing left and right
>Cover spent all their release windows in EN on Tempus in 2022 in an effort to compete against Niji's male expansion and they are on a waiting period before a new release again, autistically sticking to schedules due to ''giving new members room to breathe'' and trying to distinguish itself from Niji's shotgun recruitment strategy
>EN female talent pool is genuinely not enough for scouters and they are taking quite a while to find the perfect candidate
>Internal behind the scenes drama with the recruits and they are finding a new candidate (or multiple) again

Take your pick.

>tfw tempus makes more money than holoen so they scrapped en3 and debuts 10 more tempus gens

>>48489677
Not even a rrat. EN is just an underperforming branch

>>48489677
They did market research and understand that vtubing was only ever a covid driven fad in the west and is now a dying market.

>>48489677
Yagoo hates (You) because 4chan likes to hates on his bois

>>48489677
I’m sticking with Occam’s razor: they just haven’t found a group of five that they’re happy with. As for why, I think it’s a combination of:
>Fewer girls applying now that the Myth hype is dying down and several /lig/s have demonstrated that you can reach success without having to subject yourself to a restrictive corporation
>Cover themselves having high standards (understandable, considering the corpo scene over the last few months)

>>48489677
Management is worthless. It's no convoluted conspiracy.

>>48489677
homos are EN3 and 4

>>48491720
Yeah, so much money that they won't get custom merch in the future and why do you ignore the rest of tempus? You can't just pick the most popular member and say that the rest of tempus are not failures. Bettel gets shit views, but he's pretty good at begging for money to the point some of his fans complain about the constant attention on superchats and he's not the only borderline 3view to be good at begging for superchats. He gets beat by Scarle from nijien

>>48492398
Is there a posibility of Cover having 4/5 slots ready, but because of the wait time the other girls fucked off and then cover tries to get more girls, but they aren't getting the full set?

>>48489730
this board would off themselves
I would love it

>>48489677
HoloEN management is full of nijiniggers sabotaging it from inside. That's not a rrat. That's a truth.

>>48489677
Mori ate them all!

>>48490026
Only idiots who don't go outside of /hlgg/ believe this

>>48489730
>EN
>Nazuna
not even Sub-saharan nigger is this retarded

>>48489677
My take? Cover is known to be stretched thin on the human resources side, and they havn't hired enough people to handle more streamers especially after they rushed out a second wave of Holostars EN due to how massively Tempus exceeded expectations.

>>48489677
they can't even tardwrangle the existing talents into streaming, no fucking way they add 5 more tards to wrangle

>>48489677
maybe they couldn't find enough good people to fill a gen in the auditions
no chuuba would wait for more than a year to debut even if it was hololive

>>48489677
>Tempus was HoloEN 3
>Couldn't find any talent they liked
>Still planning/designing theme for HoloEN3
negotiating contracts with HoloEN3 hopefuls
>Getting more staff to handle the increased EN branch size/establishing a home office for EN branch outside of JP(lol)

>>48492798
>Bettel
>Scarle
coomer market too powerful

>>48489677
>EN only has limited resources to scout
>wastes their resources on Tempus and Tempus 2
>the first one does badly, the second one even worse
>EN no longer has any resources to scout left

Have you seen the new en girls picked by the niji, phase, idol, eien, etc.? Lets be honest here. The talent pool is trash. Niji literally had to resort to hiring two Japanese girls for nijien. On top of that, the en vtuber scene is losing viewers everywhere.

Bad management as simple as that.
Sometimes there are no rrats. People in charge just don't care enough, or fall to hubris or ignorance.

>>48489677
the indies have no reason to join cover except if they're idolfags

>>48489677
>fall 2020 was EN1
>fall 2021 was EN2
>JP also had no new gen in 22
>what did happen in 22 was IN3
>Why is there no EN3 yet?
>2 from myth are their #1 and now #4
>The rest of myth also place high so why not more EN?
>That is just it though
>It is only myth
>They wanted another flash-in-the-pan like shitpost goblin and weeb wigger
>Instead Sana dipped and the rest have been beaten out by most of JP6 (that dropped after E2) and even Kubo
>Darkness and Kubo's rapid rise
>The testament of Rushia's numbers that still beat out contemporary talent such as all of EN2
>Goob's #1 spot
There is a formula that makes people uncomfortable, but it is on full display.
They have to find
>1.Some weeb OL
With
>2.A neotenic voice
That most importantly
>3.Does not mind engaging in what some might call the modestly morally defunct display of soft-core age-play.
There are very few in the world that meet all those qualifications.

>>48489677
Omega will be in EN 3 after his transition

I'm starting to believe the rrat that they have a policy in place that at least one talent in the latest gen must reach a million subs for the next to be greenlit.
If ID4 happens before EN3 that will basically confirm it.

How would releasing EN3 help with anything exactly? There is what, 70 talents in COVER?

>>48494984
it would generate a bit of hype for the fans
plus myth and council have new people they can interact with that they can look forward to

>>48489677
There are almost no good or yab free ENs with experience left to hire that would fit into the idol culture of Hololive

>>48492398
>Fewer girls applying now
Retard. Making it into Hololive is a golden ticket, if anything the amount of girls applying has increased dramatically since back then. Cover now has to sift through thousands of shitty applications made by twitch thots who just want $$$$$

>>48495286
Look at the recent debuts in other corpos.
Eien, idol, kawaii, phase. EN talent is dead.
I'm not going to say niji is the greatest ever, far from it, but taking JP ESLs is probably a better idea for cover than taking any further western whore.

>>48489677
You already know the answer despite it not being the one you want, you can either accept that tempus was EN3 or believe that they put EN3 on hold to invest on tempus, whatever makes you feel better

>>48494976
This seems plausible but at the same time Council should have come a lot sooner based on Gura's meteoric rise. I do think that Cover had unrealistic expectations for EN2 and then when it didn't perform, they figured they'd tap into the male market and they fucked that up too by being so 'cock'sure they settled on hiring 8 Tempus members before even seeing how the 1st 4 did.

>>48495341
I'm not saying there's enough good EN talent left, I'm just arguing the "fewer applications" point.

>>48489677
Cover gave up on EN3 after Tempus ruined everything. They no longer trust EN management and they realized the EN market is shrinking and full of retarded drama they don't want to deal with so there will be no new generations. They'll just let the EN branch slowly fade away.

The 1 million requirement is real and the EN girl is stifling their own growth as a protest because they don't want new gen to dilute hololive fanbase

>>48489730
It would be pretty funny if he was waiting to poach his dream team or whatever.
It might actually be a rely good idea

>>48495742
>the 1 million requirement is real
plausible, circumstantial evidence
>EN girls are intentionally stifling their own growth as a protest
rrats have to be believable, anon chama. They have more to lose by stifling their own growths compared to having new kouhais that they don't want. Plus a couple of council already publicly stated about their desire for kouhais.

>>48491360
Yes, the whore who only streamed genshin and honkai applied to hololive

>>48489677
luxiem

>>48495358

>they figured they'd tap into the male market and they fucked that up too

Tempus is massively exceeding expectations. Vesper talked about it in one of his free chat streams, they got to one of their milestones that corporate was hoping they'd reach within a year in under a month.

If anything, what I think happened is that they only intended to hire 4 members as is normal for Holostars, but after Tempus broke expectations to such a degree that Cover called back a bunch of the people whom were shortlisted but they passed over in favor of the first four. You can tell that they weren't all brought on at the same time as gen 1 because Bettel's and Shinri's roommates were still streaming under their previous personas after Tempus debuted.

>>48500117
Your cope is months out of date

>>48489677
a sacrifice must be made, problem is, no one is willing

>>48501052
I want a refund of last 2

>>48489677
Investors
The market has declined majorly since the pandemic ended, but cover still uses subscriber numbers as a point of impression
If they were to release EN3 now they would reveal the current state of the market to japanese boomers, much like how council lagged behind myth

>>48501052
>doesn't explain tempus 2
>>48501126
>refund means you bought
did you just admit that you are a faggot, faggot?

>>48490375
They should get Fauna to nepohire.

>>48489677
even if they release gen3 only 1 of them will actually stream

>>48489677
EN market stopped being profitable. Now it's all about the JP branch. Simple as.

>>48489677
You know why, goy

>>48502087
It was a scam! They didn't tell me it will be males!

Waiting for VShojo contracts to expire.

They’re waiting for a few Myth to hit two million and some of council to hit one million subscribers.

>>48495251
Thats why they started a training program, as in they took 5 promising girls that never really had any streaming experience, and they build them from the ground to be the perfect EN idol chuubas. They are close to completion, just you wait. EN3 will eclipse the JP side in terms of idol culture because they were made solely for this purpose. No recycled JAVasmrtists, no twitch whores, just pure, untainted talent, raised and grown by cover directly. Yagoo's Primarchs.

>>48489677
They don't have enough talent acquisition/management asses to sit in seats and watch applicant videos for the Hololive EN branch, let alone to sift through the applications that come in from delusional children whose greatest accomplishment is that they were able to overcome their crippling autism long enough to submit a google form. My shitpost answer would be "T3MPUS / V4NGUARD though! :)"

All the good talent is taken.

>>48489677
council needs to hit 1 million. i believe theyve given up on this milestone, and that we're about to see a few more graduations in the coming week as they finally go into en3 prep phase

Their commitment to their hiring slogan "We are in search of unique dreams and hidden gems" means that they openly invited a metric fuckton of absolute shit to sift through

>>48489677
Yagoo always wanted holostars to be closer to hololive in popularity. Since the EN branch is smaller he uses them for testing his ideas.
That is why EN3 was delayed to debut Tempus and Tempus 2 with auditions for Tempus 3.

>>48495341
Phase is yet to debut gen 3.

>>48489677
My two favorites rrats are: there is something bad in the contract and no one who is passing auditions is signing on, or one of the models is downright atrocious and they cant get any applicants willing to use it.

>>48489677
I can tell you guys this since it won't affect the timeline but know that you are currently experiencing the last Gens of Hololive.

>>48489677
It's unironically Tempus fault
Their introduction effectively killed off the the EN branch of Holo productions
>originally HoloEN 3 was debuted so they could focus on creating two gens of homos in a row
>noticeable loss of total views for HoloEN after Tempus debuted
>considerable loss of views for individual EN girls that collabed with the homos
>even worse loss of superchat income for EN girls that collabed
>total decline of growth rate for every girl that collabed with the boys
>unprecedented unrest in the previously easy to please fanbase
>all this to gain a bunch of low tier male streamers
Imagine you're Holopro and you plan on introducing HoloEN 3, you know it will cost you in 6 digits to debut a new generation of girls then you look at the current state of your branch and you can tell that any new talent will be kneecapped before they even debut
Your expectation for profitability will be 50% or less than that of previous generations simply because Tempus exists. It's just not worth it right now

>>48489677
COVER is now filtering out anyone who isn't fluent in Japanese, having realized the difference in quality and work ethic from those who bother to learn it and those who don't

>>48506968
Mindbroken

>>48507612
Sure but it's true

lol

Every time I see someone blaming Tempus I know they're an ESL with no knowledge of the West. Western girls don't want to be Vtubers. They want to be Tiktok stars and Onlyfans whores. Third worlders like you guys only watch Youtube so you don't understand that.

Want to see the Western crop of vtubers? Look up "english vtuber" under Twitch and see how most of them have tags under their streams that say shit like "autistic" and "LGBTQIA+", and they swear constantly.

Holopro isn't going to recruit that.

>>48495358
>could be that the million requiremnt is the first of many. So after Gura blew up, there was other things that needed to happen before they could greenlight EN2.

In which case, even if an council girl crosses a million tomorrow, then it would still take a year for EN3.

The vtuber bubble has popped in the west. Twitter has moved on from the constant clip posting that made chuubas like Korone, Coco, and Marine popular in western circles. Interest is waning in EN branch markets. It might not be a good idea to make another EN generation so soon unless interest picks back up.

>>48506673
>there is something bad in the contract and no one who is passing auditions is signing on
plausible, the bar got so high because they don't want girls that are too complacent about not streaming, either that or there's a clause that requires them to be cocksuckers for the boys out of desperate saviorfaggotry

>>48489677
Because Coco picked Myth herself
( She and Yagoo even hinted about it)
>>All Myth members acknowledge Coco before debut unlike to other Jp senpais.

And Omega fucked Council up

HoloEN3 dead because of chink and Coco's graduation.

>>48489677
Tempiss literally was EN3 and EN management expected all the holoEN fans to accept them but that wasnt the case so their plans had to be packpedaled and now theres this huge gap if you pretend tempiss was originally intended to be seperate from the girls and believe the shills defending it.

>>48489677
EN female market is already saturated so they are taking their time until the competition stop to shoot on their feet by ACCELERATING
>But tempiss
They are an experiment that kind of work at the beginning but now not stop reclining so I doubt we gonna see more males in a while

Tempiss

>>48489677
2 of them died between being accepted and debut announcement. We were actually only a couple weeks away back in November/early December but their deaths came days before they were supposed to be announced.

Maybe died is extreme so you can substitute it with breach of contract or some scandal like sexual harassment.

>>48489677
You won't buy the blu-rays.

If we get jp7 or id4 before en3 I think it’ll be safe to say it’s not happening

>>48507029
Hmm, let's look at everyone from EN that knows Japanese, shall we?
>ina
>no streams, prioritizes artist job over chuuba duties, hates doing dance reps, anger issues ('member the guilty gear collab? Cause I sure do 'member)
>bae
>homo and tempiss collaber, (((party girl))), concentrated zoomerism
>kiara
>MEMEMEMEME, constant underdog syndrome, blunt and abrasive in more ways than one
>sana
>back hort, puppy hort, loved zhang money more, wasted a HoloEN spot
>irys
>dumb as fuck, vsinger with no control over her own music and doesn't try to change that fact, preaches one thing but "does" another ('member THAT Pokemon stream?)
>mori
>lol, lmao

>>48515966

>>48516517
I accept your multitude of carefully crafted counterargum- oh wait.

>>48489677
I'm still breastfeeding them, sorry. I'm too fond of the sensation of them sucking on me titty to let them debut yet.

>>48501052
kick out every homo and release 8 gens full of cunny

>>48489677
waiting for enough vshojo to graduate to poach them as revenge for kson and nazuna

>>48489677
All that indies that are hololive material were either already gobbled up by other corpos or want to stay independent.

>>48501052
replaces uproar with ID 3

>>48491167
>she had the exact same resume as Ina but even higher-profile.
QRD on this?
What was Ina's resume? and how was Sana more high profile?

>>48489677
they asked this simple question during auditions and it hard filtered 100% of the candidates:
do you plan on streaming 40 hours a week?

>>48489677
they only hired council to be gura's UwU playmates
they only hired sana to be ina's collab partner

but those plans fell thru when they realized they couldn't control western women from being grifting whores

>>48489856
This is most likely what happened, they are now shilling EN3 auditions, remmeber how many fucking indies were /here/ saying why cover never bothered to watch their auditions? they didn't watch shit because they were focusing on homos.

>>48489677
honestly? the bar has probably been raised, its why its taking too long.

>>48489677
There's no new talents left or way too many normie ass girls applied and they're stuck reviewing thousand and thousands of applications that go nowhere.

>>48523435 (me)
yet again, holojp started with only nepotism, walk ins and "why not?", and now those girls are the biggest there is.

>Lax auditions = Better talents (with little to no content creation experience)
>Strict Auditions = Medicore talents (with content creation experience)
there's something strange going on here

-Council flopped
-EN management never managed to organize much of anything for EN, regularly didnt even bother about getting game permissions
-Homos piledrived already declining numbers into the ground
-JP management had to take over and will have to fix EN before recruiting more
-huge number of applicants are high risk hires they want nothing to do with

>>48489677
Cover is retarded and thought they could get their own Luxiem believing the EN audience would be much more open to accept a StarsEN. That sorta worked out during the first couple of months but then the numbers just went on a free fall with Vesper's suspension making things worse and the decision to hold off two of the already hired members to have another 4 man gen resulted in 3/4 shitters with one dude carrying the rest by pandering to a handful of whales who are already drying up, not to mention how it took Luxiem to lose popularity for Tempus to be considered "competitive".
>But there's no good talent out there
This is only true if you're a massive Coverdrone since you would treat some of the EN girls the same exact way if they didn't have the blue dorito stamped on their heads, and the majority of the Tempus dudes are much worse than a lot of girls out there.
>They're having trouble filling the slots
Then why they didn't shill the auditions just like they did 3 times with Tempus?
>They had a few but they bailed out
Could be true but only if they're absurdly incompetent. They managed to hold Flayon and Bettel in the bench for more than 6 months, if they can't do that with a couple of girls who are guaranteed to be much bigger on Hololive than the majority of agencies out there then Cover really should fire everyone in charge of the EN branch.

tl;dr It was pure retardation from Cover's part.

>>48489677
Indies probably don't want to be a part of Holo because once they do that their entire lives will be archived, PL and beyond and every mistake they ever made will be shown to their IRL parents because hololive has such kind (totally not psychotic) """fans""" that regularly SC their "forever Oshi" how they would have jumped off a bridge yesterday but saw they were streaming so they postponed it. They're all totally sane and a fan base everyone wants. None of them will ever pull an Oshis No Ko... Okay a lot of them will. Yeah it makes sense why no one wants to join when you think about it.

>>48489677
they're all dead. literally

>>48489677
They delay it one week every time a new thread about it gets made.

>>48489677
hololive en is dying, the hype is completely gone
the troon management in charge became depressed and suicidal when their precious men flopped hard

>>48522263
They missed a handful of good ones that gave up and went small corpo.

>>48489677
They got sick of all the zoomer girls barely streaming and going on months long breaks over petty issues so they're look exclusively for 30+ talents now
EN3 will be the hag generation but good hags are hard to find
Give it some time and we will get
>hag that's in denial about her age and tries to play a younger character
>dedicated mommy GFE chuuba
>literal milf that barely hides her children from stream
>weeb hag that wants to get vtubing because she watched anime since the 90s
>irl office lady turned OL anime woman

>>48489677
incompetency

>>48526462
You think small corpos don't get found out? They found one of the idol girl's boyfriend day one.

yagoo went on a secret mission to personally orchestrate the downfall of the competition with all of the yabs that happened. en3 will come this summer followed by jp7. trust the plan.

>>48491720
>10% of the viewers
>but there's 1 desperate whale giving them all the money
why are people like this

>>48489677
Tempus is EN3

>>48489677
Over saturaing the pool. Current gens subscriber count is stagnating, and pushing more gens would probably push them to declining.

What Hololive needs is more multitalented people showing their non-idol related expertise on stream. For example Baelz has the lowest subscriber count of EN, while being the best singer and dancer. You need more than that.

>>48533390
u keep hiring till u find the gem, polish it and keep it,
then u dump the garbage fake plastics
there's quite a few Dead weight EN right now.

>>48532847
One day.

>>48533390
Not debuting anyone for almost 2 years won't help with the branch either. Nobody wants Cover to be live Anycolor and push a dozen new chuubas in less than a year, but the branch desperately needs new blood because literally nothing interesting is happening.

No one's good enough to hire. Look at the dumpster fire bottom barrel shitter other corpos are grabbing. Its full of ethotts with drama and attitude issues.

I'd rather have no EN3 than shit EN3
Based yagoo agrees with me

>>48535228
Why does it almost feel like Yagoo isn't even real? He's become more like a symbol than a man who actually exists somewhere, getting ready for work at 5:00 AM, and wondering if he'll ever have enough free time to watch anime again.

pls buy her merch and watch her solo stream

>>48489677
Cover thinks the market is over saturated and wants all of the EN girls to have 10kccv before creating another gen.

>>48536752
busy fapping to her porn, sorry

Cover is smart and realized the bubble is deflating, maybe popping before every other corpo. Better to circle the wagons around your existing gens and fortify them while keeping your reputation as the squeaky clean vtubing corporation until the proverbial fog clears up. You can disagree with the idea, but Cover is very clearly marketing themselves as the company that carefully chooses their talents like it's some high grade thing as the opposition to Niji's machine gun approach.

>>48502087
Tempus 1 was original going to be 6 members, (Bettle and Flayon were going to be a part) but Cover decided last minute to split it into 2 gens because of positive social media buzz near debut and so they held back on 2 of them and hired 2 other previously rejected submitters (Hakka and Shinri).
Basically everyone in Tempus has told some version of this story on stream.
(Flayon was the person making gorilla noises in the Raft stream months before debut, he also appeared in Altare's FF14 streams.)

>>48537252
Tempus existing and having 2 gens out disproves this

>>48489677
Dumb Management.Nothing more, nothing less

>>48489677
The soil was salted the moment they put men in. There’s nothing to grow, why bother?

>>48537372
Tempus is just them moving money around and still growing without potentially harming Hololive. Niji showed there's a market for EN boys, why not create an experimental Holostars EN branch while you're keeping your golden goose comfortable that you can keep far from the girls if things go bad?

>>48537561
>why not create an experimental Holostars EN branch while you're keeping your golden goose comfortable that you can keep far from the girls if things go bad?
Because that's not what happened
The golden goose tanked the moment homos were added to the mix and they're still not keeping them far from the girls even now

>>48489677
The existing girls keep on vetoing or telling management that holoEN doesn't need EN3 yet. They are really, really comfortable with the status quo, stream 5 to 8 times a month and still earn like six to eight times of my monthly income in one week. A new gen disrupts that and they'd be forced to actually give a shit to stop a mass exodus of their yesmen paypigs to greener pastures. And even if cover decides to debut EN3 they're going to bombard them with shitty advices like "take it easy" or something along those lines. So as long as their shitty behavior keeps getting rewarded, they're incentivized on holding off EN3 as long as possible.

>>48510564
I like the “Tempiss was EN3” a bit because then I can compare them to their girl coworkers. And when you compare the Stars to the girls then the Stars are major fuckup wastes of time and effort. Lmao

>>48539607
What makes you think they have any veto power at all? Waitresses don't get to veto whether management hires more waitresses.
>>48540262
Ironic and a little sad, considering that most of them seem to be putting in more effort than most of than the girls these days.

>>48540551
The stars could put in 100x the effort and stream 10x more than they are now and I will still turn on a fleshtuber or a twitch stream instead of giving them a view. Effort and hard work doesn’t mean anything if the main audience never asked for you and never wanted you.

>>48540551
The thing is, the minute you say Tempus are gen 3, you end up comparing them to Myth, and its not a comparison that does them any favors.

>>48541899
You could compare them to graduated Sana and they’d still be failures.

>>48489677
EN management just never bothered to get started on it because they're lazy and get paid the same regardless of the number of vtubers in the holoEN roster.

>>48489677
Waiting for Cover to go public.

>>48489677
Hololive is being very careful to let the existing talents grow and develop before adding new members. This is to avoid oversaturation and self cannibalizing revenue streams.

I personally think hololive should expand its scope dramatically. Bring in gymnasts, acrobats, standup comedians, writers, true professional level singers, actors, athletes, politicians.

I know this sounds crazy, but imagine bringing in famous people and give them a model and let them use it for a special showcase event, not full time members but honorary members similar to how universities give honorary degrees to commencement speakers.

Call it HoloCelebs. Bring in people like Shaq, Billie Eilish, Joe Biden, Timothee Chalamet, Simone Biles, Eilene Gu, Simu Liu, Dave Chapelle, etc. Let them come in for a day or two and interact and have fun with holomembers, promote their projects, you know akin to Saturday night live or late night talk shows, give a performance of their talents with a prepared 3d model. This would vault Hololive into the mainstream and bring in lots of eyes and money

>>48537561
>Tempus is just them moving money around and still growing without potentially harming Hololive.
-Tempus already done great damage to Hololive, particularly Hololive EN, what drugs are you on?
-Uproar make absolutely no fucking sense, they already tried and failed in Japan, at least Tempus was an attempt to match Luxiem. Yagoo went retard here.
-HolostarsJP was a fail attempt, those that stayed deserve some respect after trying for so long, they also understand their position in relation to the girls, unlike Tempus.

>>48489677
Council crashed and burned so hard that it drove yagoo to make terrible decisions like letting omega destroy EN with homos

Homostars exist because council failed and failed really hard

Do you guys have nothing better to do than crunching numbers?

>>48543419
I'm not a numberfag per se, but if I wasn't crunching numbers here I'd be crunching numbers for work or one of my hobbies. Just let me crunch, man.

>>48489730
Holobronies would fucking commit mass suicide if this was the result of EN3.

>>48536892
>>48532847
>>48505314
Some of you are really just the dumbest fucking retards.

>>48551846
Prove the market isn’t oversaturated

>>48489677
At this point I honestly believe the 1million rrat where new gens are only added when the previous one has at least one member that's made it to a million subscribers.

>>48489856
Honestly I don't think it was a bad idea to hire the first 4, they make a decent amount regardless of what autistic spergs have to say about the live views (500-1500 is fucking fantastic for general live streaming and enough to make comfortable wage of off if people are willing to donate, which holostar fans are). The problem was releasing 4 more of them and spreading the fans a bit thin. They've seemed to have bounced back though and most make a decent ammount. Flayon is the only one I'd worry about, income wise.

That being said, I don't know why the fuck they wouldn't release an EN3 at the same time.

>>48489677
When Yagoo opened auditions, he hired a fortune teller he found selling her services in the streets. He requested she read the fortune of EN3 and so she did as he asked. "I can see it" she uttered, "EN3 is fated for ruin."
Yagoo asked her in a worried tone, "How can I avoid such a horrendous fate, oh great fortune teller?" The fortune teller looked into the fortune again, seeing salvation at a single pair of tits. "Her name is Anon(me), you must hire her. She will not audition for 4 years and 6 nights but her voluptuous bosom will bring hope to your doomed venture."
Yagoo took these words to heart, seeking out the fated Anon that would one day grace the audition forms. It's my fault holobros, I haven't auditioned yet. Please be patient a bit more.

>>48552534
Aren't (you) the one making the claim out of the norm, so the burden of proof is on (you)

>>48552534
You're the one making the assertion you retarded tranny. You prove it is.

>>48553706
>That being said, I don't know why the fuck they wouldn't release an EN3 at the same time.
This is the biggest problem with the whole Tempus bullshit. Unlike all the StarsJP gen both Tempus halves debuted on alone without an "accompanying" Hololive gen, so even if they're a success on their own the way they debuted implies that Cover wanted to give them the premier treatment so they will inevitably be compared to Hololive. If they were treated like any other Stars gen and an EN3 debuted shortly after almost no one would give a shit about them, but since they were the only debuts for HoloPro as a whole in the last 12 months it makes this whole situation much weirder.

>>48489677
ID4 first

>>48489730
fpbp

>>48552534
easy: holobronies watch hololive. EOP holobronies in 2023 watch mostly holoEN. holoEN isn't oversaturated

>>48516640

"those" cult rumors are true you know, whore supporters n them

>>48489677
Because unironically there isn't any talent for it. I mean look at the EN talents currently, only half of them can even do the bare fucking minimum of streaming, which is like the one absolute job they have. With how much sick leave and absence there is, you'd expect the EN branch to be a fucking leper colony. And these are supposed to be like the best talents out there for the industry standard corp. Apparently streaming while not stirring up shit is a hard ask for women.

>>48489677
No one up cover minimun standard for HoloEN is passing auditions, simple

>>48489677
So....

There's probably a few factors but the underperformance of Council (RELATIVE to expectations) probably made them weary of rushing out a new gen.

Now things have improved for Council due to consistency and time to settle in, but there isn't necessarily a guarantee that a future gen will have two years to bed in without the media cycle upending their business strategy, so caution is appealing here.

Doubly so because indie/Niji and Vshojo have satured the female market quite heavily since 2020, so you're increasingly relying on brand power to cut through (and that's finite, especially without local talent/promo teams to ensure cultural awareness and relevancy).

Hololive is almost basically the business exception to the rule when it comes to cultural exports, since it's working almost entirely out of Japan, with little true connection to the western market, so this really cripples its ability to anticipate trends (ergo time and strategise a new gen debut). From a business perspective, they're almost a fluke.

Debuting a male gen conversely, is appealing, because you don't risk cannabilising your own market share and it's easy to look at Luxiem numbers and realise this is both an emerging market and a potentially big one. So Stars was an easier decision. A lot of people will point to anemic numbers as low demand but it could quite as easily be a knock on consequence of the above issues I've outlined with Cover's business model.

To that end, I can understand why Niji uses the model it does. It doesn't need to antcipate or push trends as much or tailor content/marketing if it just uses its raw corporate might to boost up a bunch of talents (marginally above the rest) and hope *one* will have the natural charisma/relevance to explode. (Though this has its own flaws too).

Anyway, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a Gen 3 this year. Probably between August-October. Only one new gen though. Fallow market.