/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>48463669
kekson... not like this...

>>48463669
FREEDUMBS

>>48463669
>Kson
"CORPORATIONS ARE SLAVERY!!"
>Also Kson
"Anyone has a better contract for me?

>>48463669
Damn she is mindbroken...

>>48463669
It means their new contracts are probably shit and everyone is rejecting them.

Yagoo will make an offer they can't refuse.

>>48463669
She's being sarcastic. VShojo's contract conditions are perfect.

I mean...

... No cons, right?

>>48463864
it's been a month and still vt sisters have no idea what she meant
SAD

Why didnt she just make her own agency like Tamaki? She has the connections and money.

>>48463864
do your reps

>>48463669
Dirty whore.

>>48464259
Anon, she made it sound like VShojo was literally all she could have ever asked for. It basically is her own agency lol

>>48464143
she implies that vshojo talents can jump ship whenever they want if they have better options, which is true.
it's not that hard

>>48464424
All the shit talking aside, it does seem like she genuinely enjoyed Vshoujo until this latest round of contract renewals happened. Whatever the hell vshoujo did was apparently fucked up enough for 3 talents to immediately jump ship and then cause kson to openly announce she's looking for a new job.

I feel bad for her.

>>48463669

>>48464778
I can smell the copium from here

>>48464645
She said the English contracts are bad. She's happy with the JP one.

>>48464259
>She has the connections and money.
Eh, not really. Her first attempt at making merch in 2021 solo she got a bad deal. She learned a lot the hard way in her first year about doing sponsored events, pop-ups, etc.
Maybe NOW she has experience and connections to do something like that, but a year ago she didn't. Coming off of being Kiryu Coco, she had people's respect, but she didn't necessarily have connections with the type of boring operations people you need to run an agency.

The final piece of the "Why not make your own company?" question is that she would have to stream a lot less. She really just likes to hang out with her fans, build gunpla and play horror kusoge. People bitch about this-or-that chuuba not streaming enough, but Kson has streamed 11 times in the last week, mostly 3+ hours. Growing a new business is different from running an existing, stable one. It is more uncertain, more challenging, and requires A LOT of time from the founders.

>>48464647
>Wants to be a slut fleshtuber
>Dunks on Hololive for being conservative
Why do you feel bad? This is what she wanted

>>48464645
>company offers you a good deal since you're big and they want you in
>company makes the deal worse next year
No way, who could have seen this coming?

>>48464981
clearly on some alcoholic copium, full kek

>>48464981
I can't tell if she's taking the piss at vshojo or at vshojo antis

>>48463669
What happened? Vshojo had the best contract around which is why they could essentially hand pick their talents from the indie pool, did gunrun or whatever get too greedy?

>>48464899
Makes sense from vshojo's perspective. If they sort out the JP side they'll make way more money than if they keep lazy EN whores. Just don't kneecap them by making them stream on twitch.

>>48464978
vshojo clearly since everyone is leaving

>>48464981
My fucking god

Always room in JAV industry

>>48465278
does she not understand how PR works or is she just extremely drunk off her ass and is trying (barely) to damage control?

>>48464981
Yikes.

>>48464981
>>48465278
She seems to be pretty out of it... Dumb orange bitch you should have just stayed...

>>48463669
Kson sounds more and more like an overprivileged white girl the more I see her.

>>48465278
Anyone else remember when, prior to joining VShojo, anons would suggest kson should/was about to start her own company?
Look how ridiculous that sounds in light of these statements. Not to cast any shade on her as a talent but she is absolutely retarded from a business perspective.

>>48464981
>$1 million per month
>when she's getting mogged by Tempus
lol. lmao even

>>48464981
She only wants money. This was expected from her if you watched Coco

>>48464981
>>48465278.
She's really trying to twist it hard and make it look good for Vshojo, damn. Do they have a gun to her head?

Kson seems like a risky talent to put into a corpo if she is openly asking for a higher paying agency and contract while still in Vshojo. If she joins another agency will she just do the same thing?

>>48465593
>"if i was offered a better contract somewhere i would take it"
>wow you are retarded from a business perspective
?

>>48464981
Of course it's about the money. Gold digger behavior.

>>48465590
jap with big tits. do the math

>>48465626
There is no higher paying agency. She's insane.

>>48464146
THE COPE yeah, she's definitely playing 5D chess and is not just a greedy whore

>>48465815
Technically, there is. Hololive.

>Hololive is slavery!!!!!!
I'm tired of the freedom campaign, kson.

>>48465939
Kinda doubt that one is an option

>>48465723
>>"if i was offered a better contract somewhere i would take it"
>>wow you are retarded from a business perspective
This is the exact scenario that happened with her and vshojo and look where that ended up

>>48465278
YASSSSSSSSSSSS SLAY QWEEN SECURE THE BAG YO DEM HATAZ DON KNO SHIET

>>48465723
Rather than reaching out to orgs directly she is putting her current agency on blast. This is a bad business move because it raises a ton of red flags to any org that would be willing to give her a better deal. It also makes PR harder because if she does sign with a different org public perception will be that they just bribed her to join.

>>48465939
Too restrictive for her, she can't be a slut there

>>48465996
Of course, especially now that she left it. They made mistakes from time to time like not having good mods for her chat and isolated her as a pariah, but you can't say that she didn't make money there.

>>48465723
A big part of being in business of PR. Especially in the entertainment business.
If people are leaving your company en masse, it is EXTREMELY bad PR to publicly, unironically post "uhh... so anybody hiring?" on social media.

>>48465278
Why is there drama when half of the talents leave I don’t understand? Is she this stupid?

>>48466302
>t. never watched coco

>>48466332
she's not in PR though.
to offer a counter-example it's extremely retarded to not try to get another job before your company implodes.

>>48466072
It ended up.. with her in Vshojo? And she's happy with her contract? I don't get it.
>>48466134
>>48466332
>muh pr
The contracts are clearly bad. What's the point in pretending they aren't?
If she said otherwise you would call her a shill who is shitting on Hololive. If she tells it like it is she's a dumb retard whore. Can't win with tribalists.

>>48465462
>does she not understand how PR works
of course not, she barely went to college, she learned that is more profitable to show your tits on cam, than studying

>>48464778
>>48464981
>>48465278
>Yeah I'm going to give the best conditions to the one that's most liable to fuck off at any given moment

>>48466487
She could just say nothing because she's a massive retard who can barely write a tweet without causing a misunderstanding

>>48466487
>Can't win with tribalists.
I think she can't really win in this scenario since she was an indie that went into a lesser corpo for seemingly little reason or benefit. Plus its hard to really look good when multiple talents are jumping ship at once.

>>48464778
probably thinks about men the same way

>>48466462
>>48466487
>don't manage your personal image, or your organizational image, just say whatever enters your mind on social media
Thanks business geniuses.

Someone save Miguel Gato from kekson please

>>48465278
She's not wrong, people trade jobs at companies in irl all the time and it would actually be refreshing if the vtuber world was like that also. Do people not have enough reading comprehension to
understand this?

Getting trolled by the translation again?

>Cons: Nothing!

>>48466632
she has two degrees, phasemonkey

>>48467112
Sure but people don't announce this for the world to see generally because letting your potential employer know this for certain beforehand is a really bad idea

>>48467089
She has an announcement stream in less than 12 hours, only time to wait and see.

>>48467129
translation is accurate
only problem is >>48464778 which should be "change jobs to the place that pays most" but that's obvious

>>48466769
Then you'd say "her silence is deafening" and make fun of her for "avoiding" the issue. You've done it before while stuff happens while she's asleep. I know how you guys work.
>>48466910
>for seemingly little reason or benefit
She got several significant benefits and in exchange they take basically nothing from her. She had a whole stream explaining it.

>>48465907
nigga, she said something that is fucking normal.
I myself have changed jobs several times because other companies offered me better pay or more benefits.
I guess it's like that for everyone unless you're a loser who's still being supported by your parents.

>>48467380
We worship corporations here sir

>>48467012
anon her organization is kson she's not an employee

>>48465441
I can only wish

>>48467380
Not hololive = bad

>>48467297
Yeah because no one gives a fuck if Jimmy at target is now at Walmart. They are public figures, music celebrities or ceos announce this kind of stuff and no one really cares. There's no drama of "that ceo must hate every single coworker at his last job" it's just business and it should be standardized.

>>48467377
>Then you'd say "her silence is deafening" and make fun of her for "avoiding" the issue. You've done it before while stuff happens while she's asleep. I know how you guys work.
Damn how awful, some shitposters in a taiwanese basket weaving forum would make fun of her for not saying anything. Certainly worse than her japanese and english fans asking her what the fuck does she mean with her tweets and having to do damage control about it.
You're right, it was a good idea to tweet

>>48464778
>>48464981
>>48465278
lol I fucking love her I don't see why people are upset this is hilarious

>>48467677
>music celebrities or ceos announce this kind of stuff and no one really cares.
The average person doesn't give a shit, the company's stock crashes or investors pack their money if anything that makes a bleep in the radar happens

>>48467380
Bruh, don't pretend like she's "just changing jobs" she went from one place to another, literally said "this place has no downsides" and then left. It's just funny bro lol

>>48465939
Mystic

>>48467416
I'm just saying, when I was a student I worked in a fucking macdonalds, do you think I would want to work there all my life after I finish college?

>>48467380
>tweeting about wanting a better contract, while still employed at the company
Tell me you never had a job, without telling me you never had a job. Lazy nigger.

NOOO STOP GIVING NYANNERS ATTENTION GIVE MEE ATTENTION

>>48467926
can you tell me what the drawback is without being a trivalistfag?
I also assume you know that EN and JP contracts are different.

>>48468381
She didn't say VshojoJP has no drawbacks anonchama, she said Vshojo period.

>>48465540
I think the only thing is that you usually don't announce you want to change jobs. Other than that, sure, whichever company gives you best conditions. And obviously big tubers bring some decent money, so they do have bargaining power.

>>48467380
really good thing she tweeted those for good optics, yeah?
the japs would love that

>>48463669
Talent Freedom
She can go if someone give her better contact.

>>48468789
It's always about the money only.
Thank god i don't have an oshi like this

>>48467267
her left boob and her right boob

>>48463669
>>48463669
wait.. but muh freeddoms..

>>48468789
Only Cover or Anykara can do that. Well, and Mythic I guess.

>>48468789
question is why she's being so public and open about the question.

by this point if any better contract showed up it could be negociated without making a fuss.

>>48468266
>tweeting about wanting a better contract, while still employed at the company
yes? Do you live in an authoritarian country or something?

>>48468871
your oshi is not given a choice lmao

>>48468523
EN had the same contracts when she said that. The new contracts that came out recently are worse, and she has publicly stated as much. There's no contradiction.

>>48468592
why don't you go to the tweet and read the Japanese comments?

>>48468523
?

>>48469270
thing is that it's about the vtuber fantasy setting built. if too much IRL drama goes in it can screw up enjoyment in any agency.

it could be done in a more discrete way. feels like red herring.

>>48468871
>>48469235
For damage control and also point out new light that is good way talents can keep IP for Vshojo.

I think Vahojo =/= VshojoJP now , They even have different CEO

>>48467380
Vtubing is not sports. You don't offer a skill that others don't have. You don't have a tremendously large fanbase, relatively speaking. You are nothing but a name and a voice.

>>48469270
....anon

>>48469480
????

>>48469280
Are you retarded? If your oshi isn't indie all of them work with contracts and they decide to renew or not.
If the contract is good they stay simple as that

>>48469388
Most are confused as shit saying "lol?" and other are saying that she shouldn't really tweet something like that. It's a retarded tweet, I don't know what way are you trying to spin this

>>48469557
>this is what holofriends actually believe

>>48464778
>>48464981
>>48465278
Man when I saw the first tweet I thought she was mocking the antis, like "yeah sure you can try to find better contract than ours lmao" but she's just being a bitch, a moneyhungry bitch

>>48469557
3D model technology, entertainment and happiness.

>>48465286
I'll believe this if Nazuna also confirms that the JP contract is good
Until then, I'll doubt it.

>>48464981
Is this bitch OK?

>>48464611
Which is why everyone is leaving all at once now that their contracts are up for renewal, rather in the middle of their contracts. Because they could jump ship whenever they had better options and weren't at all locked into a contract that would penalize them in some way for leaving, right?

>>48469796
This but she also generous when she want to help her friend so I don't mind it.

>>48469808
>Oh sorry none of those things matter compared to a good contract
t. Kson

>>48469542
well it's best explanation.

>>48467089
>Save
Michael Kitty deserves it.

NO
CONS

>>48467729
yeah to me it kinda feels like taking the piss

>>48467305
It's on Mikeneko so she won't mention VShojo

>>48470095
name a con

>>48464259
Because that’s work dumbass. You retards make it sound so easy but starting a company still takes work that a streamer, the laziest kind of content creator, would probably never want to do

anyone has a screenshot of a tweet or a clip where she said she was done with corpos?

>>48464981
Her manager yelled at her, didn't they?

>>48469796
your oshi spends all day streaming just to get a chance to say hi to yagoo.
She's definitely not in it for the money, is she?

>>48469980
VshojoJP give difference contract to Kson and Nazuna. They have difference CEO and policy among EN and JP.

Source : Kson interview CEO JP ( not GUNRUN)

What is even the benefit of joining and giving part of your income to VShojo? It doesn't like they do something the members can't do on their own anyway.

>>48470220
nobody does
it's something numbermonkeys invented when she joined vshojo

>>48470095
Vshojo" JP" no con

>>48469341
What's the difference this time? Where has she talked about it?

>>48464981
zero soul

>>48470265
>VshojoJP give difference contract to Kson and Nazuna.
Wait, is this actually true?

>>48470367
She said she can't give the details due to NDA but one of the ENs who left talked to her about the new contract and she said it was bad.

>>48463669
Imagine building a Corp that's considered one of the Big three in the west and then burning it down in like less then a week because you had some brainlet write the new contracts.

>>48470220
It's /#/ rrat for purposely shit to Kson.

>>48464981
once a traitor, always a traitor

>>48470602
>50 Hololive members betray their companies by leaving to become full time streamers with Cover = good
>Kson gets a job that makes her happier = bad

>>48470496
Yes, they just use " Vshojo" name but in personal detail they almost difference conpany.

>> difference CEO
>>difference CMO
>> difference contract

Well, they have same IT tech team lead by GUNRUN men

>>48465278
>People do the same thing in social life
Ah yes just what I wanted in my vtubing, hypergamy.

>>48470925
no, not that part.
I'm asking if Kson and Nazuna, both part of VShojoJP, have the same contract or not.

>>48470349
Technology

>>48471020
Same contract as each other, yes. Same as the EN contracts, no.

>>48471020
She did't talk about it but she hint about why Nazuna can't stream in Youtube.

>> Third Party
>> Not from Kson and VshojoJP
>> must be from Twitch or Hololive

I think Nazuna are reatrd enough sign contract TWITCH's partner and can't stream in Youtube for " better cut"

>>48463669
No talent
No freedom

>>48471329
Twitch partners can stream in youtube

>>48465278
>>48464981
I'm actually confused why I'm supposed to be mad at this
>"Yeah we can leave our company if we want to, I would too if someone offered me a better contract lol"
>"Why are people thirsty for drama? People leave their jobs for greener pastures all the time IRL"
Like not only is this a tepid statement but it's also totally in line with her philosophy about corpos

>>48471020
I think not the same
Nazuna has contract to stream in Twitch only and has better cut.

Kson get worse cut but can stream whatever she want

>>48470925
>different company
>exact same scouting practices
VshojoJP will cease to exist this month

>>48471416
That mean Hololive.....involve...

>>48471466
mentioning this publicly is not a good look for the company. Basically just looks bad because vshojo clearly has an atmosphere that doesn't create loyalty, the desire to stay that a strong brand and a friendly environment would engender. Unlike Hololive I might add.

>>48471521
Anon..... shut up if you don't know anything. They plan for debut more 3 members this year.

I mean VahojoJP side not EN

>>48464981
Imagine being her manager right now, kek

Personally, I hope vshojo survives and starts actually recruiting to fill the empty slots. Every new member they get is less of a chance that a vei wannabe ends up in another corpo.

>>48471466
It's just a bit tone deaf when the company you're part of just lost three of its four biggest streamers in the space of a week
At any other time, it would have been fine, but why now?

>>48470550
>considered one of the Big three in the west
Only by Vshitshow orbiters, no one else even considers them on the same level

>>48471546
Not either because Nazuna said she HAD the choice to stream in youtube. If anything it's most likely vshojo themselves and everyone is simply doing damage control

>>48470174
Nux was one

>>48471712
Mamane is fine

>>48471795
nux isn't in vshojo as far as I am aware

>>48471694
Whoaaa 3 more members after an entire year, that will offset Nazuna announcing her leave tomorrow by 2

>>48471750
>> Third party.

It's not about Nazuna and VshojoJP anymore anon. They are first and second party. You can cut that possibility now because Vshojo should treaten Kson stream in Twitch only like Nazuna do.

It must be Hololive or Twitch

>>48471731
>kson wants vtubers to be able to own their own IP and move around as they see fit
>talks about it for years
>joins vshojo because they allow it
>regularly mentions how she likes vshojo because they allow that
>a few vshojo members exercise that ability
>"wtf why is she talking about this now?"

>>48471795
Nux create own company group

>>48471646
>mentioning this publicly is not a good look for the company.
Oh I yeah I get that, the joke is clearly her trying to damage control but she probably should've waited like a day or so
It's just weird seeing anons try to call her a "grifter" when her ideal state of the vtuber is industry is functioning like how free agents are treated in the pro sports industry

>>48465227
There's no 4D chess, anon. She's just dumb.

>>48472128
but hey, at least she's in yakuza, that's all that matters to her

>>48471878
Nazuna leaving are just /#/ rrat.
MKNK say she love Kson and place she live now. Ask MIKEFAM if you must but you should stop lying

>>48472057
It makes logical sense as to why she's talking about it now.
But is it good PR sense? Honestly, it isn't. The company who she praises for having the values that she wants is basically failing right in front of everyone's eyes. The most sensible choice is just to stay quiet, not drag any unnecessary attention onto yourself.

>>48472230
It's no way to can create good PR but she is trying the best she can do.

>>48472210
Nekofami here.
Stop speaking for us.

>>48472305
Your English is fucking atrocious.
The best thing thing to do is just stay quiet, like Nazuna is doing.

>>48465278
>I want the biggest paycheck and I'll go wherever that is
Okay, not the most flattering thing to say but reasonable I guess.
>People do the same thing in social life
What, so people do cold, calculating trade-ups in friendships and relationships and that's the same in her eyes as "just business"? That's actually getting pretty fucked up.

>>48465278
Whorejo is such a shitshow I'm glad its dead

>>48470726
We can see how happy she is

>>48463669
Kekson, more like chadson, gotta renegotiate for better terms or leave. The Vshojo ship is sinking, so you bet all the women are leaving.

>>48472401
She means in their personal lives, don't let her poor english mislead you

>>48472389
大変申し訳ございません, 私は日本人です
許してください

>>48464981
>I'll drop my corp for a bigger paycheck in a heartbeat
>>48465278
>I feel the same way about friends/romantic partners
SHE HAS NO STYLE
SHE HAS NO GRACE
THIS EX-DRAGON
IS A BIG DISGRACE

https://www.youtube.com/live/EEGDkFnGbms?feature=share&t=29062
>Jokingly complains watamates were going "ajimaru ajimaru" on habanai premiere
>"ajimaru I like but where is my original dododo?! uuuuuu"

https://www.youtube.com/live/EEGDkFnGbms?feature=share&t=29118
>gets angy, starts casting a dododo spell
>chat filled with dodododo.. she seems satisfied
>she looks at the time.. it's 7am... this moment reminds her of AsaCoco
>reminds her of the times where she grinded Watame No Uta before AsaCoco
>the nostalgia makes triggers the spell, reality shifts
>Vshoujo announces Nyanners leaving
>The 500 year wait gets cut down a lot

This is getting fucking ridiculous

>>48472725
If Watame spell can make her return.

Thank you

>>48472230
>The company who she praises for having the values that she wants is basically failing right in front of everyone's eyes
Huh? How do you figure?
>Kson wants talents to be able to freely leave a corp whenever they want
>Talents signed to said corp choose to leave
>"clearing this is a failing!"
Like, yea she's dumb for choosing NOW to speak out but they're clearly just practicing what she advokes for

>>48464981
At this point the only undeserved graduation/termination was Aloe.

>>48472936
This but she doesn't understand why they are angry to her too.

>>48472936
>Huh? How do you figure?
Usually, if a company loses 3 of its 4 biggest streamers in less than a week, that company's prospects are going down rather than up. On top of that, there's speculation about another streamer, Zentreya, leaving too.

>>48473044
>> Sana

Anon...

>>48473044
But I’m glad that she is kinda happy now with her own comfy community and her own projects

>>48472936
>3 out of 11 talents leave, in reality 10 since Hime doesn't exist
>with another few saying the contract is extremely shit, and also have the possibility of leaving too
>"The company is doing fine actually"

>>48473126
I think Zen will stay because she has strong bond with Haruka and like to change her Live2D frequency.

Zen is try hard member of Vshojo unlike Vei and pinkcat

>>48473332
>She

>>48473213
>> Chink mods treaten her if she collab with Ex- Reddit dragon.

Kek

>>48473126
You and most of the sisters on /vt/ are looking at this from a tribalfag perspective, as if it's "Kson's company". She doesn't work there, they're just a business partner. She has always said plainly that she's there because she values their business practices, if they change those values she's not going to turn a blind eye and stand by something she doesn't believe in.

>>48473422
?? I don't know what is wrong about my statement??

She look like more female than Teitter freaks to me

>>48473126
I'm actually kinda interested to see how they recuperate those losses since Vshojo has never really been in this situation before
Like when talents leave Holo/Niji it doesn't really matter cuz they'll just put out recruitment for another wave But Vshojo having to convivence indies to sign with them sounds like a harder task

>>48473510
I literally do not give a shit about tribalism.
I'm literally just saying that if the company is doing shit, you keep your mouth shut and ignore it. You do not make a bunch of Tweets hitting out at other companies and talking about how great your company is when the only other person in your branch seems fed up with the company too.

>>48473510
I found someone who really watch Kson stream!!

>>48473621
She's literally a delinquent. Not giving a fuck is her whole thing.

did someone pay this esl dude who's trying real hard to defend kson? or is it the bitch herself?

holy shit it's actually real
>Agents with better contract terms than Vshojo are always welcome to contact us LOL
>Vtubers should move on to a place that pays you at a higher price

>>48473170
Are you seriously claiming Sana's termination was undeserved?

>>48473803
Factual and based.

>>48473803
I think and feel she sacramatic shit talk to Vei and Pink cat more than Vshojo.....

>>48473803
Read between the line anon.
She use her subtle dark humour talent again

>>48473803
is part of her strategy and cope to change the vtuber world like the talents should be the one picking up corpos and not the corpos picking up the talents, jokes on her the big corpos notice shit like that and can see that it will just create backstabbing bitches that want some fast fanbase/a free model

>>48474092
>implying eveyone in hololive would just leave if they could

>>48463669
Can they really rebuild?

>>48474092
If you really not know.....
Kiryu Coco spent her own money for Kiryu Coco 2.0 and Himono Sensei's rigging.

>>48473803
Based Stacy

>>48474201
They must be burn to the ground first then we can rebuilt it

T. Senator Armstrong

>>48473621
>I'm literally just saying that if the company is doing shit, you keep your mouth shut and ignore it. You do not make a bunch of Tweets hitting out at other companies and talking about how great your company is when the only other person in your branch seems fed up with the company too.
You will never get money with that aptitud, that is loser mentallity

>>48473600
This and the Hogwarts fiasco is pretty much their "Taiwan" moment. Not to the same extent of course since they don't have an army of 50 cent bugs harassing them everyday, but this is the crossroad where they either emerge stronger than ever like hololive did or burn like so many other corpo and vtuber projects did before them (Upd8, Tsunderia, Cyberlive, Gamebu, etc.). And honestly, it's not looking good for them since their fans and the remaining talent aren't really circling the wagons.

>>48473803
I don't know if Kson is a gigachad or a gigatard

>>48474627
I don't see how tweeting retarded shit makes you money

>>48474841
>I don't see how tweeting retarded shit makes you money
that strategy only works because Kson is big, this will only be dumb if she was a small vtuber

>>48474656
>emerge stronger than ever like hololive did
Lmao, Hololive has hardly debuted any new generations since then because losing China hit their bottom line so hard. They had to debut HolostarsEN and it was a complete disaster.
They act smug and try to pretend they didn't need China but there's no denying it hurt them.

>>48463669
>>48464778
>>48464981
>>48465278
>>48473803
Reminds me a bit about how sports contracts work when a player is handed over to another team
watchers may think that a player should be just as diehard for "muh home team" as them but the reality is it is a Job under contract for players and in the end it is all just business and no body gives a fuck about loyalty or any of that faggot shit when it comes down to making more money
How is this hard to understand? Business is business

>>48475080
>They act smug and try to pretend they didn't need China
they don't

>>48475136
Vtuber hoes don't have value like trained sports ball players..

>>48475136
>How is this hard to understand?
/vt/ is the most underage board in 4chan besides /gif/

>>48475136
Did they also try to smear shit on their team while still being in it? You say business is business but this doesn't sound best for business.

>>48474841
There's a huge difference between tweeting something retarded and tweeting something normal that makes retards mad. What's happening here is the second one.

>>48475136
Have you seen a single post shitting on Nyanners for leaving vshojo? Pretty much everyone is blaming vshojo, this thread is just making fun of kson because of her previous statements about the company

>>48475494
>this thread is just making fun of kson because of her previous statements about the company
why?

>>48475345
kek facts

>>48465441
you seen her lately? kek

>>48475572
Kson said she likes their business model, which means when they change their business model and people leave, that makes her a liar or something.

>>48472725
AIEEEE WATAMAGE I KNEEL

>>48465441
Is there any JAV actress turned into vtubers instead?

>>48463669
haha... the vshojo contract has no downsides... haha...

>>48475781
There's unironic former JAV vtuber groups.

>>48475730
She massively shilled a company and the company turned to shit, put any other relevant person in her place and they would get made fun of as well, why do you think she deserves to be special in this regard?

>>48475781
actually there are several, go ask /asmr/, due to that stupid law that was approved in Japan many actresses left the industry and started doing adult content as vtubers

>>48475080
I'll give you HoloEN but JP is the strongest that it's ever been
>HoloCity
>Sponsorships that they never even sniffed prior to 2021 now going to them voluntarily
>HoloFes getting bigger and bigger
The new gens are definitely not stronger than the old ones but only because you're comparing them to the very peak of vtubers, not just in JP but in the entire world. It's like comparing greek heroes to the greek gods that spawned them. Still strong as fuck but mere mortals compared to the actual top. Also, that same logic is applicable to every corpo and branch outside of HoloID because they got lucky with Kobo and Kaela.

>>48472671
Fuck off larper

>>48476028
I dont watch alot of vtubers but that sounds interesting. Hope i dont fall too deep in this rabbit hole.

>>48475730
>>48475957
what1? no she likes this! this is literally the reason she join vshoujo, she wants for vtubers to jump from company to company while keeping the IP. Just like actors and sports starts

why would anyone hire a disloyal cheating whore like kekson

>>48475080
>has hardly debuted any new generations since then
Literally there's been 7 gen/branch debuts since September 2020. You're full of crap.
>CouncilRyS
>Tempus 1
>Tempus 2
>UPROAR
>Holoro
>Holoh3roes
>HoloX

>>48475957
Why would someone be made fun of for that? I shilled Blizzard when they were one of the best game developers and stopped when they became shitty. One of my friends talked about how good his sportsball team was until they made some trades and did garbage last year. Saying something is good when it's good doesn't make you an asshole if it turns bad. This is the weirdest board, it's like you aren't even people.

>>48476256
>UPROAR
>Holoro
>Holoh3roes
are you unironically just making shit up?

>>48475080
>They act smug and try to pretend they didn't need China but there's no denying it hurt them.
They have literally avoided saying anything about it all. What's smug about that?
Or are you confusing the deranged bickering about "China" here on the 4chan veetee board with what Cover Corporation has actually said?

>>48476290
I was thinking the same thing. Updating your opinion when you learn new information is... normal? Intelligent? The right thing to do?

>>48476365
No. Lurk more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJp-wDy1W0g
And Holoro and Holoheroes are just the names of ID 2 and 3 respectively.

>>48476365
>UPROAR
Most recent JP Stars gen
>Holoro
Group name ID2 chose for them themselves
>Holoh3roes
Group name ID3 chose for themselves

>>48475572
She sold out all her credibility about wanting to be independent after quitting Hololive by shilling the absolute fuck out of vshojo and "talent freedom," even dragging her ex-coworker who was fired for being a full on menhera with her in order to virtue signal vshojo to her reddit fanbase who were convinced she was fired for having a boyfriend. Now that it's collapsing because of the shit management that everyone knew about, we get to point and laugh at her constant shilling, seeing that "talent freedom" ain't all it's cracked up to be

Am I the only one who unironically want these indie whores to give Hololive a try? Would be hot to see them having to follow strict rules and get whipped into shape plus to actually work for once in their lives

>>48476290
>I shilled Blizzard when they were one of the best game developers and stopped when they became shitty. One of my friends talked about how good his sportsball team was until they made some trades and did garbage last year. Saying something is good when it's good doesn't make you an asshole if it turns bad. This is the weirdest board, it's like you aren't even people.
Anon finds out that people make fun of others in the internet for their opinions. And you would have gotten shit on for shilling blizzard in /v/ or shilling whatever team on /sp/, don't even pretend you browse anything other than this board

>>48475840
Well, the last one they found agreeable at the time.. But this new one is apparently a different enough story that even Mouse is still undecided.

>>48476670
>the shit management that everyone knew about
How did you, and "everyone", know?
I'm not saying you didn't, I'm wondering how.

>>48476928
Vshojo has had a dozen of shitstorms and everytime management does literally nothing or it actively makes the situation worse, I don't see how you would defend management

>>48476670
Do any of you guys ever read these schizo posts and imagine an actual person trying to like tell it to you out loud? Like you are waiting to pick up takeout at the pizza place and you turn to the guy next to you and ask "hey, you heard about that vshojo thing?" and he goes on an unhinged rant clearly seething in rage and you have no idea what they fuck they're mad at and just nod and say "yea man it's a crazy situation" and then pull out your phone and pretend to be distracted so they don't talk anymore.

>>48476290
Unless your last blizzard game was Diablo 2, I'm sure /v/ would be ripping you to shreds for riding the blizzard hate-bandwagon only after the China pandering and sexual assaults came to light

>Kson has singlehandedly caused the downfall of not just one, but two vtuber corpos
Amazing. Will people ever learn their lesson and stop hiring her?

I don't know why you fuckers are happy with Vshoujo putting this shitshow. That was the only company with real chances of relaunch Pika or Mirai Akari.

>>48477120
Another episode of anon pretends he's normal while shitposting on /vt/, a classic but pretty boring at this point

>>48477441
I can't believe Gunrun put her in charge of writing the English branch's contracts instead of a lawyer or something

>>48477093
>I don't see how you would defend management
I'm not.
I don't know anything about them except that /vt/ hates them, and my question was not intended to imply support or opposition.
At most, I am skeptical that unaffiliated random people on the internet would know great details about a company's internal management practices.

>>48477504
I'm an antisocial autist, and even I can tell that people are way too invested in stuff to the point that it's creepy. They're anime girls who play video games on the internet.

>>48477120
>>48477721
I'm with you. I sometimes worry I'm a little too far gone, but then I see the posts here and am thankful that I appear to still be (relatively) sane, and (mostly) connected to reality.

>>48476928
I mean, there's absolutely no team cohesion in vshojo whatsoever. When you have one member being harassed by trannies, and another member seeing their coworker's harassment as an excellent time to virtue signal to the folks doing the harassment, it's clear there's no management presence to say "hey, this is a bad idea atm." And that leads into the other point of management being virtually nonexistent whenever their talent does do a yab and they leave the talent to fend for themselves. They advocate "talent freedom" but won't dare raise a finger defend you if you do choose to exercise that freedom lest it seem like they're taking a side on an issue. There was no structural foundation in vshojo due to the "talent freedom" mentality, and without a foundation, the vshojo house was always doomed to collapse eventually

>>48478100
Thank you for explaining.

>>48476928
Management allowed all of the talents to go on a crusade against someone actively working with and trying to help their company because Nyan had a menhara attack

>>48475136
You're completely not getting it. What Kson is doing is super unprofessional. Vshojo is nothing compared to a large corporate enterprise, but imagine if you worked for a large company and started telling everyone "agents with better contract terms are always welcome to contact me". Sure you're absolutely within your right to quit and move somewhere else - there's nothing wrong with that. But to broadcast it out to a gigantic public audience is an incredibly unprofessional way of going about it.
This isn't about wh𝘢t kson said, it's about where she said it that makes it so funny. Basically discrediting all of Vshojo to 750 thousand followers. Insane.

>>48477721
Wannabe normies should be the first put to the rope, they invite people in to ruin shit. Kill yourself

>>48477120
>Do any of you guys ever read these schizo posts and imagine an actual person trying to like tell it to you out loud?
I've shamelessly posted vocaroos of myself doing this to this board multiple times

>>48475136
If a sports person actively advertised to everyone that they were looking to leave their contract it would be considered incredibly unprofessional and damaging to the brand

>>48478377
why

>>48477479
Pika deserves better than the catty bitch whore vtuber group.

>>48463669
Vei said the contract wasn't good enough for her.
Kson is making a joke about that.

>>48478437
people type lol or attach a funny picture to a reply when I do it. party pooper

>>48477721
>and even I can tell that people are way too invested in stuff to the point that it's creepy.
Anon says on a hobby that relies on people on people being parasocial to a ridiculous degree and also defending the person who pushes that to the absolute extreme

>>48463669
>Nyan
Did Nyanners leave, too?

>>48478514
shame on you anon

>>48476028
What new law?

>radpuppy leaves vshojo
>6 months later 3 talents leave
Hmmmm

>>48476252
Cheating whore pussy taste the best

>>48478717
When does Puppeteer leave so they can stop doing those shitty corporate artworks?

>>48476724
Feels like dominance loss Tag

>>48477721
"HURR why do people on the vtubing board care about a vtubing company?" Fuck off. As for me, I just like laughing at vshojo.

>>48473882
are you seriously claiming it was? maybe try necking yourself.

>>48477479
I like Fiddle while Rome burns

>>48479318
Caring about something you like is fine, being a complete schizo about something you don't like is sad and dumb.

>>48478853
>THE STREAMER AWARD
holofags said this was a scam, but I didn't think it was true.

>>48479335
She refused to do her job so she was fired. They were kind enough to let her graduate rather than just terminating her and deleting her channel.

>>48479623
>being a schizo and sending streamer thousands of dollars is good
>being a schizo and wasting your time on a basket weaving forum shitting on said streamer bad
I've seen this argument everywhere and I can see this argument working on literally any board other than this one, you just can't pull that kind of card on this hobby

>>48475136
Look at Cristiano Ronaldo shit talking Man United. No competitive club in Europe wanted him after that. He had to go fuck off to the middle east. He's getting paid a fuck ton of money but he lost his prestige in the process and to a narcissist like him it's killing him inside.

>>48474073
...am I retarded? What am I supposed to see

>>48478100
>it's clear there's no management presence to say "hey, this is a bad idea atm."
I don't really keep up with vshojo but didn't their management tell them to NOT play wizard game on the basis that what happened to Silver would potentially happen, and then Silver did it anyways?

Wonder if the Yakuza devs regret picking up this drama fag now

>>48481596
In all fairness at least the yakuza gig wasn't through vshojo, it was because of her being a huge fan of the series for many years, and her inspiration to learn Japanese and go live there.

Welcome to Tempus3, Kson!

>>48464981
jesas other corpos need to open their eyes for people like KSON, fucking imagine hiring someone and that person goes
>YAYYYY I'M IN THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, but if someone gives me more money I'm gtfo of here just so you know no matter how soon that happens

>>48482123
bro she ditch Coco persona for a better contract for Vshojo
when Coco was
>Most superchatted vtuber at the time
>One of best selling merch from Hololive
Also Hololive notably very success with sponsorship and big vtuber event such as Hololive and now Hololive City, ain't no way whatver Kson did can outdo Coco

>>48481596
Wonder if anon knows what the Yakuza games are about

AAAAAA MAKE HER STOP OY VEY SHUT HER DOOWN

>>48482413
She put her happiness ahead of money

>>48482459
No kson, it's your nose

>>48482123
>>48482413
Yes the problem is not that she cares more about money than vshojo, fuck vshojo idc. The problem is she's whoring for the very thing she left behind to join this company.

>>48482459
mori reference?
kson think so about mori?

>>48482459
child carrying shoulders

>>48482714

>>48482413
That is why everyone is clowning her. She had everything but threw it away because of drama and she thought she could keep that success without hololive. So now when she tries to chase the bag everyone makes fun of her for throwing it away.

>>48463669
i don't disagree with her thought process, but no company will want to invest in you if youre putting it out there that you are just going to leave at the earliest convivence. imagine going to a job interview and pull this shit off, lol.

>>48482459
Kson, just stop visiting here for Christ's sake.

>>48482435
Wonder if anon knows that games are fiction but that the real people they hire can, and have, be taken out in the blink of an eye

>>48464972
So where the hell did Tamaki get the experience and connections? She was a fucking manga artist.

>>48482459
>it wasn't a joke
Uhhhh how do we deflect now fellow vshojo shills?

>>48463669
This tweet makes it sound like she wants to bail out of Vshojo but wont do it unless she has another guaranteed contract with another agency.

>>48482906
Tamaki actually has talents and freedom unlike kekson.

>>48482810
>t. underaged retard who doesn't understand how celebrities make money and think everyone operates by Japanese black company rules
No shortage of companies wanting to partner up with kson, keep seething chink

>>48475136
Vtubing is nothing like sports though, sport contracts work because there's actual winners and losers so the loyalty doesn't really matter that much as long as it brings the trophy home, meanwhile in vtubing people love members being respectful of the path their senpais created is the whole ''power of friendship anime'' but in vtuber form and that shit sells a lot, some small corpo can be recognized an amazing corpo just by making a good name for themselves as a group with the unity of leaving 3view hell

>>48464981
Her avarice knows no bounds in food nor money

>>48482953
of course she does just look at all of the tweets, kson still think she is some huge bigshot at the very top of the vtubing world. But kson need to understand that people are mocking because she isn't that big of a deal anymore. and is not worth even a 10th of what she was at blue dorito

>>48482810
Are you underage? Have you ever had a real job? You do salary negotiations in every one. I have literally told recruiters about other offers I had and how I would take them if they didn't offer more. They offered more. That's how business works.

Can someone tell me who is actually above Kson in VshojoJP? Everytime I see it just looks like Kson IS VshojoJP, add that she always word like they are two different staffs. I think Kson gambled with her money and "bought" her part and turned into VshojoJP, that's why she is shilling so hard everytime while Nazuma doen't give a fuck.

>>48483160
It's crazy to think that she was at the height of her powers 3 whole years ago now. Where'd the time go?

>>48483281
>>48483038
Why are you samefagging?

>>48483329

>>48483038
But no company will give her more money than Hololive did with more freedom too, at least at her current popularity levels.

>>48483319
Nice rrat anon
I too believe that Kson is the same as Omegays(The blue Guy) hiding the fact that she is the VshojoJP Manager

>>48483038
I thank Coco for her service in leading Hololive out of China, but you rabid Ksonfags are incredibly obnoxious.

It's all about the money and not going back to a normal job. It has ALWAYS been about that, even for normal streamers and youtubers. It's always about the money. At some point people might start due to passion, but it eventually becomes about money. When the passion makes you more money than a normal job and you don't wanna kill yourself anymore because you escaped the grind, it becomes about maintaining that cash flow so you don't have to go back to that shit.

Just because kson is a fucking retard doesn't mean that what she says isn't true. It's all business and always will be, this is the same for every corpo vtuber and even the indies. You don't believe Cover created HololiveEN out of passion for expanding the vtubing scene to other regions and languages, right? they did it because they realized how it was gonna be profitable. And the girls that joined also joined for money. Money is the blood of this world, why are you pretending it isn't?

>>48483466
She makes more now than she did since she no longer has to give money to Cover.

>>48483038
Did you forget kson is japanese and lives in japan or something? And that she had an entire year without good offers?

>>48483663
>And that she had an entire year without good offers?
I think you are uninformed about that anon

>>48483663
You can't watch kson because Youtube is blocked in China, stop pretending you know what's going on with her

>>48483593
Uh actually HoloEN is the pinnacle of passion. They love being streamers.

>>48483038
>"No shortage of companies wanting to partner up with kson"
>constantly complains about being blacklisted by companies
huh
>keep seething chink
i dislike chinks as much as the next guy, but kson has always been a money grubbing whore.
>>48483281
you sound unemployed. try putting what she said on your resume and see if that will work out for you.

>>48483709
Illuminate my uninformed mind and pray tell me which big streamer company tried to scout her

>>48483870
you don't write salary demands on your resume you literal retard you talk about it at the interview

>>48464259
You make it sound so easy but NoriPro is a fucking mess

>>48483837
Yeah Gura loves streaming

>>48483593
>Money is the blood of this world
There is a difference between acting this out implicitly and explicitly. The former is normal, the latter is obnoxious.

>>48483903
A bunch but they are all traditional companies that take your IP so she wasn't interested

>>48483967
>talk about it at the interview
>"ill work for you but ill jump ship as soon as i can if a better chance arises."
good luck, dumbass.

>>48484090
>A bunch
You can count big vtuber companies on your fingers, what "bunch" tried to scout her?

>>48484048
if you are such a sensitive faggot you should go to twitter

>>48464778
>>48475136
Sounds like massive cope from someone that lost their actual circle of friends.

>>48484271
Any company that wouldn't hire you over something like that is a company that won't respect your skills, you're better off without them unless you have no dignity and just want to be a slave like most corpo vtubers.

>>48464259
Because she's dumb as a brick and has no business sense, if that isn't obvious

>>48484645
Stop posting, kson.

>>48484645
Stop pretending you've ever had a real job in your life. It's blindingly obvious you're faking.

>>48484747
Keep seething that you'll never be as successful as her.

>>48483160
She might have still had a shot if she didnt join a group filled with gutter trash whores. The biggest mistake she ever made was joining Vshojo and becoming the groups damage control dog. Your correct she really doesn't have star power anymore its sad to see as i was a fan at a point in time i bailed when she joined Vshojo.

>>48484802
t. retarded wagie 24/7 stuck on licking that corpo boot

>>48482459
Holy stop tweeting

>>48484596
You are a retarded nigger.

>>48484894
I gave you your (you) why are you so angry? If you don't want to get called out, next time you're baiting try to use even half a braincell. I know it's hard but I believe in you.

>>48477120
Holy shit anon, great observation and analogy, my bro. 100% is me

>>48484955
I won't call you retarded back because you'll probably start crying and pee your pants.

>>48483593
If it's all money money money why did Fubuki quietly sacrifice a large portion of her popularity base and half of her superchat revenue in solidarity with Coco in the aftermath of the Taiwan yab?

>>48485746
Talking about money openly like that is low class. If you cannot see that that's on you.

>>48486148
the lower class like you don't have the money to talk about it.
get a job and maybe you will become middle class

>>48469942
>Which is why everyone is leaving all at once now that their contracts are up for renewal, rather in the middle of their contracts. Because they could jump ship whenever they had better options and weren't at all locked into a contract that would penalize them in some way for leaving, right?
This needs to be highlighted more because people are stupid, especially vshitshow fans.

>>48463669
Why didn't this dumb bitch just stay in hololive? Literally all of her friends would have had her back and supported her and she would've been 100x happier and more likeable. Leaving hololive is one of the dumbest fucking decisions I've ever seen. And really just highlights how stupid she is. Case in point that now she bitches 24/7 about being unhappy with one thing or another.

>>48484826
>successful
Kek

>>48487317
ching chong for u too

>>48487317
Hololive offered her a shit contract

>>48482459
Since kson is here, you look pitiful next to the other much more attractive women in the yakuza contest.

>>48464981
>>48463669
Lying. KSON feels like either she's been paid to say this or someone else is on her account.

>>48487667
Talents can negotiate contracts in their favour massively, unlike vshojo it seems