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Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that she did nothing wrong?

>> No.4746608

>>4746566
If she did nothing wrong then why are we still posting about it?

>> No.4746613

>>4746566
Only if you admit that you did everything wrong and then delete this thread

>> No.4746660

>>4746566
True, the blame is solely on Cover. It was Cover's mistake to have hired her.

>> No.4746676

>>4746660
Based take

>> No.4746718

Gigguk did pretty good and she was super energetic, so it was a pretty good stream if taken in a bubble

>> No.4746729

you are right. we need to STOP victim blaming especially in regards to Grooming. the Abuser NEEDS to be held accountable and the attention must be brought off of the victim and onto the Perpetrator.
we need to be better than this.

>> No.4746743

>>4746566
desu most of the anger isn't that she did anything wrong this stream but that this stream is proof she's been doing something wrong in every recent Hololive-only collab

>> No.4746772

>>4746743
On purpose, probably

>> No.4746780

>>4746718
Give me context. What’s the issue with the collab with Gigguk? I’ve been out of the loop

>> No.4746783

>>4746566
Everything she did wrong happened outside this stream. This stream is just the ultimate proof that she doesn't give a fuck.

>> No.4746804

>>4746566
After watching her superchat reading and hearing her address some of this stuff last night I no longer hold a grudge. It was very heartfelt.

>> No.4746825

>>4746780
He's an anituber.
It came after a months of shit collabs with other members.
He's an anituber.

>> No.4746837

>>4746780
Mori has phoned it in on recent collabs, not tested anything out, been dead silent in some cases and forced others to cover for her
and then she comes out of the gate in an outside collab and clearly prepared and tested beforehand
combined with her member only stream bitching, she wants to collab with non-vtubers and outsiders to hololive desperately but management has been telling her no
they finally caved and let her do what she wanted

>> No.4746853
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4746853

>>4746743
No anon, she did nothing wrong.

My oshi can do no wrong, for she is perfect.

>> No.4746865

>>4746780
Months and months of Calli ruining collabs by either being apathetic or not taking the 10 minutes required to prepare the stream. Including a gura collab this weak where she took it up to 11.
Months of her promising she'll do better after passive agressively ranting against haters.
Then she collabs with a cringe ironic weeb cancer E-celeb. And suddenly she gives a fuck and is trying.
People justifiably wonder if she even gives a fuck about her colleagues and senpai who paved the way for her popularity.

>> No.4746867

>>4746566
This faggot has such a punchable face.

>> No.4746911

>>4746853
and this is why no one likes t. deadbraps

>> No.4746931

>>4746566
If she's more prepared and energetic in the upcoming collab with Ollie and Coco then unironically yes, because it means her being more active in this one was just her taking criticism from the last one to heart.

>> No.4746981

>>4746566
Mori needs to graduate.

>> No.4746985

>>4746853
I don't hate Mori. She's just doing what dumb wigger sluts do. Can't be mad at a skunk for stinking. I do hate the deadbeats though. They make a choice to be sniveling cucks.

>> No.4746989

Things would be better if anitubers didn't exist in the first place.

>> No.4747023

>>4746660
Calli would do better in a more ope company. Cover is slowing her domination

>> No.4747089

>>4747023
Yes. Let her year contract run it's course then move on. I wish her great success. Just somewhere else, far away.

>> No.4747141

I'd be fine if she collabed with 3D men if they were actual faggots, like gay lisp, occasionally mentions their boyfriend/husband, talk about girly things, and wasn't some figurehead for the obnoxious surface level tastes, mouth drooling anime fans, because I don't register faggots as human

>> No.4747146

>>4747023
It's like 3 months until her contract is up and after that she's free to try her luck with a new live2d and name in NijiEn they'll easily accept her.

>> No.4748129

>>4747023
Without Hololive, Mori is nothing. You people speak about some mythical talents she has but I'm not seeing even the slightest hint of that. Without being a vtuber she's just a random roastie doing random roastie things. Music? If she were good at that and if that was her saving grace she wouldn't be here. She's genuinely bad at being a musician and the only reason her songs got popular is because of ironic weebs and memes. Gura utterly mauls her in that category. They aren't even in the same league. If you are here looking for music you'd be listening to Gura's downright divine singing. Ergo, memes.

Her total disinterest in vtubing is palpable, obvious and disgraceful. It is an insult not only to her JP senpai's but to the other EN girls as well, who took this seriously and are fully committed. Mori LOATHES what she's doing and she HATES her audience, and I simply cannot understand how they don't feel her contempt for them oozing out of every word she utters. Meanwhile, Gura and Ame are almost in love with their audience, Kiara has hour long superchat readings where she includes absolutely everyone who donated and interacts with her viewers constantly, and Ina genuinely just wanted to make friends and get people motivated to draw.

Then there's the JP situation. She doesn't give a SINGLE FUCK about her senpais, doesn't even know who they are, and obviously has no true connection to weebery. And she can't utter a single coherent sentence in Japanese despite living there for who knows how long. Meanwhile Kiara is fluent.

What Mori is doing is cynical. She's using Hololive as a stepping stone, but she doesn't realize that this was the best thing to happen to her, and that her egotism, ways of the roast and entitlement will be her undoing. I am thoroughly disgusted by her.

>> No.4748317

>>4746780
Anitubers are fucking cancer

>> No.4748406

>>4748129
>Without Hololive, Mori is nothing.
Yes, we know. But don't fucking tell her that for christ's sake.
Mori you are the best wigger to ever wig and cover is just holding you back. Drop those losers and spread your wings. Somewhere else, I don't care where, just not here.

>> No.4748414

>>4748317
You mean epic

>> No.4748417

>>4746865
It's pretty clear at this point that she doesn't and it's clear she never has. She hates idols and she hates VTubers and only decided to apply on a lark because a friend (who actually likes VTubers) did it. I assume she signs another contract but I can easily see her in 2022 or 2023 deciding she's made enough money and enough people are aware of her roommate to leave because it's clear she's in it for the money and getting her name out there more than anything else.

>> No.4748493

>>4748129
My favorite thing is that Mori's whole thing is rapping and she gets BTFO by fucking Watame. Also her dismissiveness of idol rappers when I've heard idol rappers who BTFO of her as well.

>> No.4748519

>>4746566
Okay, people are going to call me cringe or whatever, but here it goes:
I watch vtuber to get as far away from iRL shit as possible. Real life sucks. People suck. I want as little as possible of either in the little free time I have. Vtubing seems like the perfect match for me. Its all mostly removed from iRL shit but still close enough to be emotional. And here comes Mori, who seems strangely disinterested in her peers, but keeps dragging this iRL shit back into vtubing for no reason I can discern. And as someone who lost more than enough hobbies to normie shit, that feels threatening. I don't *want* vtubing to become some iRL shitfest, with woke bullshit looming on the horizon. Vtubing as it is right now is incredibly comfy and soothing to me. Not very many forms of media are capable of delivering that feeling any more.

My two cents, I'll go and take my meds now.

>> No.4748555

>>4748519
cringe

>> No.4748640

>>4748519
I feel the same

>> No.4748665

>>4746934

>> No.4748676

>>4746780
She had a collab with Gura that was kinda shit for not doing technical prep beforehand and just kinda bullheading it. She caught shit for it and said she'd do better. So for her next collab, she did better. Only issue being it was with gigguk, and how terrible of a thing that is for you depends on how bad your autism is

>> No.4748700

>>4748665
Nice try cuckbeat, I'm reading NGA.cn right now and they're raiding aqua because she said hi to coco on minecraft. Not calli. They probably don't even know she exists.

>> No.4748850

>>4748519
Same. I suspect this feeling is more common than people realise, but it goes unspoken for fear of ridicule and abuse.

>> No.4748993

>>4748519
I agree completely.

>> No.4748998
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>>4746566
>get shit on for her collab with Gura
>say she had low energy and was unprepared
>is concentrated, entertaining and prepared for the shadowverse stream since 8am that day
>people shit on her for having more energy collabing with Gigguk over Gura

We'll see if this continues into her future collabs with holos but I have faith in my boy.

>> No.4749044

HololiveEN even existing is wrong and calli is the real flagship for them and make hate her even more. High subs doesn't make you a flagship it makes you popular with children

>> No.4749087

>>4748700
>I'm reading NGA.cn right now
Chink detected

>> No.4749396

>>4748700
>they're raiding aqua because she said hi to coco on minecraft.
Didn’t that happened like several months ago? Why would it kick in now?

>> No.4749442

>>4749044
>Hololive EN even existing is wrong
Go back to /jp/ with all the other self hating weebs who will never be japanese.

>> No.4749654

>>4746780
There’s no issue, this board has collective schizophrenia

>> No.4749797

>>4746660
based

>> No.4749804

>>4746931
Maybe. Could be she just chose the exact wrong moment to get serious and it came off as an insult.

>> No.4749975

>>4746566
If her next Hololive collab is good she did nothing wrong. If it's again rushed low effort crap fuck her.

>> No.4750031

>>4748519
>Okay, people are going to call me cringe
Didn’t read further, cringe

>> No.4750096

>>4746566
Gigguks a blatant Kadokawa whore, so I'm fine laying all the blame on him.

What's this about btw?

>> No.4750125

>>4746660
/thread

>> No.4750174

>>4746660
kek

>> No.4750238

>>4746981
Agreed

>> No.4750626 [DELETED] 

>>4746660
This is what cover gets for hiring white women

>> No.4750770

Any sort of 3d collar with a vtuber is awkward and terrible. Whori must be reigned in.

>> No.4750931

>>4749396

Chink memory is sporadic.

>> No.4750989 [DELETED] 

>>4750626
Doesn't seem like a problem for the other white woman they employed.

>> No.4751478

>>4748519
I think this is what most people are thinking (the ones that are upset) but the meaning has gotten lost in all the shitposting/finger-pointing.

>> No.4751549

>>4748519
I related with this more than I thought I would

>> No.4752387

>>4748519
I'm indifferent to TT but I knew that I felt that something was very, very wrong about this whole thing Mori's doing.

>> No.4754422

>>4748493
You're saying Watame Roa'd Mori into not doing raps?
Gaddam, naisu rrat

>> No.4754659 [DELETED] 

>>4746566
Why is everyone up in arms about this? Because it was a non vtuber collab?

>> No.4754720 [DELETED] 

>>4750989
The only other white woman is Kiara so...

>> No.4754740 [DELETED] 

>>4754720
Aren't Ame and Gura white?

>> No.4754752

>>4748519
its cringe, but its the truth

>> No.4754759

>>4754659
because 2 days earlier Mori did probably the worst collab she's done tech wise, with Gura
2 of the biggest Hololive chasnnels collab and over an hour of it is Gura whining about lag or mori trying to get remote play to work because Mori didn't test beforehand
Then Mori goes to do a collab with Gigguk right after and clearly prepared heavily for it

people are annoyed she "got it together" only when Hololive management finally caved and let her do more western collabs with anitubers and twitch streamers

>> No.4754799 [DELETED] 

>>4754759
Yeah I should've just read the thread.

>> No.4754811

how do you say gigguk? gig-gook? did this guy really brand himself as a gook?

>> No.4754825

I can only forgive 5% of her sins

>> No.4754932

>>4754811
rhymes with cuck

>> No.4754963

>>4748519
cringe but also based

>> No.4755120

>>4748998
I don't

>> No.4755152 [DELETED] 

>>4754720
>Austrians
>white
I meant Gura.

>> No.4755153

>>4754740
>latinx
>white

>> No.4755164

>>4749044
I still remember when everyone believed the chicken to be the true gateway to cancer

>> No.4755235 [DELETED] 

>>4754740
>amé
>(((gura)))

>> No.4755286

>>4746566
Nothing wrong really. That was a fun stream.

In short, as this anon said >>4746743

People just want to point out that when Mori is doing a stream that she is heavily invested to (that shadowverse collab, TTRPG, music, etc.) she is 100% prepared, always. Not really a problem.

The problem these people point out are
>collabs with genmates, high chance to have technical difficulties
>saying she is restricted in a "bubble", doesn't even collab within that bubble that much

>> No.4755342 [DELETED] 

>>4754740
Depends on who you ask regarding Hispanic people.

>> No.4755353 [DELETED] 

>>4755235
>(((gura)))
really?

>> No.4755379

>>4755353
no, she grew up in the bible belt, she's southern baptist

>> No.4755397

>>4755379
Cope

>> No.4755423 [DELETED] 

>>4748519
Crinch and basedpilled

>> No.4755444

>>4748555
>>4750031
"Cringe" is not an adjective.

>> No.4755471 [DELETED] 

>>4755152
If you disqualify Austrians, would that not disqualify Italians too?

>> No.4755545

>>4748519
That's cringe man. Why are you losing hobbies because of normies? wtf

>> No.4755560 [DELETED] 

>>4755379
anon, I -...

>> No.4755600

>>4748129
based and blackpilled

>> No.4755607

>>4748519
I feel the same, don't know why normies call collabs with IRL people ''fresh and epic'' if you want normal streamers that much just go watch normal streamers, one of the things that made vtubing explode in popularity was the concept of a 2D character a well made design can literally grant you easy popularity why would you want to bring the opposite of that to your stream?

>> No.4755677

>>4748519
No one is pointing a gun at you and forcing you to watch the IRL collabs.

>> No.4755754
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4755754

>>4748519
>Vtubing as it is right now is incredibly comfy and soothing to me. Not very many forms of media are capable of delivering that feeling any more.
"All media is inherently political" is one of the worst, if not THE worst, ideological developments of the past decade. I 100% agree, being able to watch someone like Gura for a bit and forget about everything is amazing, and it sucks to think it might become like everything else

>> No.4755844 [DELETED] 

>>4755607
Those people call it fresh because their normal streamers are boring as fuck on their own

>> No.4755982 [DELETED] 

>>4755607
I feel vtubing is the halfway between real streaming and something else altogether, like watching an anime, but I can also get why people think the collab is yet another take on crossing genres in some fashion.

>> No.4756159

>>4755754
>"All media is inherently political"
Yeah where the fuck did this even come from? I don't get it.
What if I painted an apple. Is that political? wtf is that.

>> No.4756188

>>4746660
They hated him because he told the truth

>> No.4756207

>>4755286
How can 100% preparation be worth anything when it's only 5% of her time?

>> No.4756209 [DELETED] 

>>4756159
It's an excuse to inject your personal brand of politics into any medium.

>> No.4756216 [DELETED] 

>>4754740
>>4754720
Mori is either southern white or like 1/4th hispanic
Gura is ((White))
Ame is hispanic
Ina is Hapa or Korean
Kiara is the only pure blooded white

>> No.4756227

>>4756159
it is if you painted a red apple, republicunt

>> No.4756233

>>4756159
Yup, if you used a certain color, it will be seen as political, or even the act of changing the apple's natural appearance is enough to be linked to something like gender politics

>> No.4756260

>>4746566
She did 5% right, best I can do.

>> No.4756292

>>4756159
"Your selection of the apple as the topic of the painting is deeply rooted in white supremacism, due to reinforcing the fruit as the 'de facto' fruit of choice. This is in direct opposition to the non eurocentric world which may not have had apples in such prominence. We must challenge apples as the default state, do better and educate yourself."
If I remember right Feminist Frequency really spearheaded that charge way back when, but I'm sure the rot started in some academy somewhere.

>> No.4756381

>>4747023
>slowing her domination
Ah yes, she was really hitting that momentum in her previous life before Cover got in the way cuckbeat. Fucking hell you guys are delusional

>> No.4756401

>>4748519
Just watch anime if you hate irl shit.

>> No.4756415

>>4746566
Not at all.

>> No.4756434

>>4748129
Based take

>> No.4756461 [DELETED] 

>>4755235
>>4756216
>gura is jewish
whut

>> No.4756484 [DELETED] 

>>4756216
Huh, is Gura jewish?

>> No.4756565

>>4755754
>you need to keep all real world things out of my view so I can be sheltered in a little bubble
literally the worst thing to come out of the last century are pathetic fags like you who wrap themselves in escapism to avoid reality

>> No.4756639 [DELETED] 

>>4756461
>>4756484
>he doesn't know

>> No.4756676

>>4749654
And is also getting raided by discords hard the past two weeks. Sad!

>> No.4756689 [DELETED] 

>>4756461
>>4756484
Is that why Kiara constantly bullies her?

>> No.4756758 [DELETED] 

>>4756159
>What if I painted an apple. Is that political?
By itself: no
Put into context: possibly

>> No.4756780 [DELETED] 

>>4756565
the world doesn't have to be politics 24/7

>> No.4756787

>>4756565
>Hurr durr I'm going to replace actual craftsmanship and artistic intent with trite ideological propaganda so that no one can criticize my work, and if they do I'll just brand them with whatever the smear of the month is
Neck yourself

>> No.4756858 [DELETED] 

>>4756216
Is Kiara possibly the most attractive out of them all?

>> No.4756884

>>4756787
take your meds

>> No.4756968

>>4756758
fuck off libtard

>> No.4757004

>>4756565
What's so bad to enjoy something that doesn't have all the crap other mediums have?

>> No.4757057 [DELETED] 

>>4756639
Gotta be roommate shit, because she's never aluded to anything about judaism and I'm pretty sure she doesn't honor the sabbath by working on saturday.

>> No.4757103

>>4755754
>>4756159
Insofar as any art is the product of a society and its social relations, it also reflects that society and its social relations

>> No.4757106 [DELETED] 

>>4756968
What I said wasn't political at all, yet you drew a conclusion about my political affiliations. Hmmmm.

>> No.4757129

>>4756565
this doesnt really make sense. are you saying they should be at some kind of rally instead of watching a stream? if you're not suggesting that be performing actual actions, which would be the only real alternative to being sheltered, like you wouldnt be suggesting that do performative stuff only, because that wouldnt mean or do anything, then, like, should they just be getting told that things are bad ... all the time?

>> No.4757283

>>4757103
A reflection of a society does not necessarily need to take a political stance. Reflections of the world in which a piece is made can focus on pieces of the core human experience without taking a stance on what should be "done" about it

>> No.4757407

>>4748519
cringe, grow a spine pathetic manbaby
t. not a woke hobby infiltrator

>> No.4757512

>>4746660
fpbp
/thread

>> No.4757570

>>4757106
you write posts like faggots on twitter

>> No.4757751 [DELETED] 

>>4757570
So what you're saying is, that put into the context of your knowledge about twitter and how people write there, you were able to put a political spin on a non-political statement.

>> No.4757780

>>4746780
No issue honestly

>> No.4757861

>>4748129
Mori sounds super based now

>> No.4758274

>>4748129
>And she can't utter a single coherent sentence in Japanese despite living there for who knows how long
Based shit right there, who has time to learn a useless language

>> No.4758361

>>4746566
I defend Gigguk.

As much as a cringelord he is, is not his fault that Mori doesn't give a literal damn fuck about Hololive. So yes, she did everything wrong. I can understand for her to threat the rest of the holos as "co-workers" which is totally fine, but it is an insult that she gives a fuck when she is trying with someone outside of Hololive and not with the company that is elevating this literally who. Normies like Gigguk, and they are in their right to like him or wahtever people wants, what is not CORRECT and no one should ever defend, is Mori's behaviour towards her own holoEN workers and holos.

>> No.4758386

>>4746837
>but management has been telling her no
you'd think they'd go out of their way to prove management wrong

>> No.4758585

>>4748129
>Without Hololive, Mori is nothing
Everyone thought that HoloCN would do poorly without Cover but they're doing much better as indies now. The same would happen for Mori if she went solo plus she gets to keep all her profit and own her avatar.

>> No.4758612

>>4758361
I think this is the right attitude to have. I mean who the fuck cares if people like Gigguk or not? Some people do and that’s fine, they can watch the collab if they want. What this collab was, was fucking terribly timed, like she couldn’t get at least one collab with a genmate where she wasn’t putting in zero effort, before she did this one with a relative outsider where she was actually enthusiastic? It’s making her look worse. Extra sucks because I thought that the stream was pretty good.

>> No.4758690

>>4758361
not true, gigguk hates hololive and he's probably the one manipulating mori

>> No.4758694 [DELETED] 

>>4756858
Not with that jew face

>> No.4758707 [DELETED] 

>>4758585
Okay chang.

>> No.4758784 [DELETED] 

>>4756858
>>4758694
Kiara is pretty attractive.
Mori's cute but her wigger fashion is a huge debuff.
Ina has no pictures that aren't fake but she strikes me as a boyish butterface.
Gura also has no pictures that aren't fake.

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>>4758690
>anyone, let alone Gigguk
>manipulating CALLIOPE, FUCKING, MORI

>> No.4758903

>>4748519
based

>> No.4758965

>>4754759
>Hololive management finally caved
why did they cave?

>> No.4759073

>>4758707
refute it

>> No.4759097 [DELETED] 

>>4756858
all of them are very pretty, if not beautiful in their own rights. I prefer Gura and Ame though, but Mori's body is 11/10

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>>4758784
>Ina has no pictures that aren't fake but she strikes me as a boyish butterface.
Ina is cute!

>> No.4759135

>>4746566
>now that this inch forward has been taken, can we just accept it being taken?
>now that this inch forward has been taken, can we just accept it being taken?
>now that this inch forward has been taken, can we just accept it being taken?
>now that this inch forward has been taken, can we just accept it being taken?
>now that this inch forward has been taken, can we just accept it being taken?
Sure. That's how it always happens.

>> No.4759617 [DELETED] 

>>4758824
You do realize she is ultra self conscious right? Pretty sure alot of chads tapped her newfound body after she was showing it off so she'd "fit in"

>> No.4759618

>>4759103
Ina, I know you're here lurking. Maybe not in this thread, but MAYBE in this thread. Use your stacks to buy a real premium chair, get rid of the DXracer for the love of god. Your fat ass will thank you for it.

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>>4757283
This is a very narrow view of "political stance". The social realists of late 19th century and early 20th century wrote about the plight of the working masses in Europe, America and Japan, usually without an outright call to action, but their purpose was still political.
Even the most objective observer still observes from their own subjective point of view. A more modern example would be how American media, both fictional and "factual", is dominated by urban perspectives. Rural life is rarely depicted and heavily stereotyped, because the people who make and own the media are overwhelmingly coastal urbanites.
Contextualising art with questions like "Who, how, why" is a perfectly fine methodology for investigating the relationship between society and the media it produces, even if right now it means gay american culture wars over "representation".

>> No.4759953 [DELETED] 

>>4756858
Kiara from what i can remember of her Roommate is fucking gorgeous, and if she failed as an Idol in Japan it is only because she looks like a woman and not like a child. She tries so fucking hard and she never got any love back before hololive. KFP FOR LIFE

>> No.4759962

>>4755754
And yet if we've learned anything over the last decade, it is that it WILL be completely tainted and ruined by said real world. It's inevitable.

>> No.4760128

>>4749804
That's what I meant, yeah. If she's better for the next one it was bad timing. If she's not she might still just be demoralized from the response to the gigguk collab or something, but it's more damning

>> No.4760133

>>4746566
She literally did nothing wrong. Cover has repeatedly used Mori to beat their retarded gachikoi into submission. I hope she does more so that chuuba are bo longer terrified of collabing with the holostars.

>> No.4760193
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>>4759716
Allow me to rephrase, my issue is primarily with the preachiness and lecturing tone political stances in modern media. There's nothing wrong with pointing out a problem (presuming it's appropriate for the tone of the content). There IS something wrong with adopting a stance conveying "Well if everyone was just as smart as I am and just did what I think we should do, everything would be perfect."
Modern media lacks depth in it's handling of political themes and references, which is the core issue. This is compounded when this "politically aware" messaging is forced into everything lest you find yourself the next target.

>> No.4760229 [DELETED] 

>>4756858
kiara hides under 30 layers of make up and she has fucked up teeth where the top row bends inwards, so no

idk if the photo is real but gura should be the most attractive, calli is factually a fat white girl, ame looks like a mutt, and ina is a generic average asian

>> No.4760265

>>4756159
Painting an apple specifically to make a point about not all art being political is definitely political. I don't even agree that all art has to be political, but in this case you'd literally be doing it to prove a point so yes, it would be.

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>>4746743
What you are saying is that Mori has intentionally been putting out bad collabs in order to break the back of management so she can now collab with smaller chuubas in need of a shot!

It should be no surprise that after this ENma finally allowed Ina to hang out with the JP monhun gang!

Sasuga Mori Sama!

>> No.4760354 [DELETED] 

>>4760229
>huge ass, titties and thighs with a thin waste is fat
are you retarded, my man?

>> No.4760372 [DELETED] 

>>4760229
I haven't seen kiara's roommate, but is it the type of teeth that are fucked up on purpose to be cute or does she need braces?

>> No.4760375

>>4760315
I appreciate that image with that post Anon, good work

>> No.4760407 [DELETED] 

>>4760354
fuck, thin waist

>> No.4760414

She played shadowverse. That shit is unforgivable.
t. deadbeat

>> No.4760434

>>4746566
The answer is to break a buck

>> No.4760488 [DELETED] 

>>4756858
Kiara has crooked teeth and is a chinlet

>> No.4760780

>>4756159
culture wars really just fucked everyone up, and now society gots bad tunnel vision on politics. one side pushing for things to be more overtly poltical and the other pushing for things to be more overtly apolitical. politics is just one of many lenses to view things from, but somewhere down the line people became so obsessed it became the only lense they viewed things from. everything is political but politics aren't everything

>> No.4761033 [DELETED] 

>>4760372
by this point, she'd either already had or is currently using invsialign/braces

>> No.4761414
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>>4760193
liberal arrogance, political messaging as cover for shit media and market forces pushing for financial safety (remakes, attention economy etc.) over innovation makes this a really awful cultural moment, in the mainstream at least

>> No.4762348

>>4756159
to unironically answer your question: in 'everything is political', political is invoked not as political when we mean political parties running for office, but rather power over another (financial standing/class, race, et cetera) -- micropolitics.

is painting an apple political? it doesnt refer to any political party, but one may question: why particarly apple? why not other fruits? whether the decision is intentional, unitentional, serious, or ironic, the immediate choice of fruit informs of your background, and your painting reproduces this.

does this mean people should go crazy over small shit i.e. on twitter? fuck no. the point is to be aware and know the exchanges happening in society, not to be exclusionary based on individualist micropolitics--because the latter defeats the purpose of wanting collective change (if that is one's goal). sjw's and american left miss the point completely, and make identity politics a rallying point. imo people making politics their identity over literally anything else makes it disingenuous.

>> No.4763053

What she did wrong was let Mori's roommate take over her vtuber persona. We get it, her roommate is tired of being a virtual idol so instead of streaming something her roommate wants to do just take a day off. Enma needs to wrangle her roommate in and start asking 'Is this something Mori Calliope or her roommate would stream?' before putting this into a schedule. Weebs watch vtubers to get away from reality not to watch anitubers or to hear their roommates opinions on things like LGBTQ and SJW shit.

>> No.4763341

>>4760414
Shadowverse is the best CCG besides Magic

>> No.4763360

>>4746566
5% cope

>> No.4763448

>(Deleted)

>> No.4763485

>>4763360
100% aka

>> No.4763551

>>4763053
when did she ever talk about lgbt and sjw shit

>> No.4763680

>>4763341
>>Shadowverse is the best CCG besides Magic
Since when?

>> No.4763692

>>4763341
>mfw the absolute state of CCGs means this isn't a completely laughable opinion
YGO is a mess, Magic has been bad for almost a decade (on top of the woke shit), paper alternatives like Force of Will are dead in the West, Hearthstone is run by fucking nu-Blizzard, and Runeterra is run by chinks. Some days I feel like Shadowverse keeps chugging on through the sheer negative inertia of how fucking terrible the genre is at the moment.

>> No.4763707

>>4763551
My point is just no roommate stuff should ever be posted under the Mori channel. I only give that as an example cus westerners r more prone to getting this shit shoved into their faces.

>> No.4764192

>>4748129
I don't think she actually HATES her audience, but it's obvious she has very little interest in Hololive beyond exposure and money. We've gotten Kiara talking many times about how she gets sad because Mori is mostly unresponsive to her both on stream and off as well as the 10-20 clips of Mori just being absolutely shitty or disinterested towards things Kiara is doing or talking about. On top of that, her lackluster performance in any Hololive related collab really adds up and makes me dislike her.

>> No.4764271

>>4764192
mori took kiara on a $30,000 vacation as a going away present. she obv doesnt hate kiara

>> No.4764459

>>4746566
If Mori had sex on stream, it wouldnt phase me cuz im no incel

>> No.4764521

>>4763053
Her roomate doesn't stream.

>> No.4764592

>>4746566
There's never been a good post that started with "Now that the dust has settled..."

>> No.4764824

>>4764521
I don't care if her roommate streams or not she can take a day off. Playing Shadowverse with Gigguk is something she wants to personally do and has nothing to do with Mori. She can do all her roommate crap offline she doesn't even have to stream it.

>> No.4765303

>>4764824
Why do that, while you can earn MONEY doing that?

>> No.4765438

>>4764271
Where'd you get that number from?

>> No.4765461

>>4749804
The issue is that she has autism, please understand.

>> No.4765465

>>4765303
My rrat is that she has given up and Hololive after all the yabs and is going full steam on promoting herself, not Cali but herself as much as she can without breaking Cover guidelines. She's planning to graduate and then move into regular streaming, maybe join some Trash Taste spij off with Sydsnap.

>> No.4765574

>>4758824
She's an autist, autists are incredibly east to manipulate if you know what buttons to push.

>> No.4765637

>>4748519
"lost hobbies to normies"
grow a fucking pair of balls, faggot

>> No.4765695

>>4765303
cus shes gonna start creating yabs and her fans will start feeling she is being disingenuous to her character that she signed up to play as. Yes she will make money cus her most loyal deadbeats are gonna simp no matter what, But guess what she got 1k dislikes and they came from somewhere so its not like she didn't pay a price for streaming with Gigguk. She will start losing her more casual fans and her numbers will eventually drop if she keeps doing more roommate streams under Mori ch.

>> No.4765869

>>4765574
>autists are incredibly east to manipulate if you know what buttons to push
So basically all of the people in /vt/?

>> No.4766010

>>4765869
Have you not been paying attention to how certain rrats end up taking over the board while others end up rotting in a corner?

>> No.4766284

>>4763341
Define "best". Runeterra and Hearthstone are fucking horrible, but they're more mechanically complex than weebshit like Shadowverse. And as for fun factor, I'd rather have Sword Girls.

>> No.4766341

>>4763692
>YGO is a mess
spoken like someone who hasn't played yugioh since mid-link format

>> No.4766348

>>4746566
Gigguk stuff came at incredibly poor timing right after a controversy but Calli have yet to prove that she got better at collabs period and not only with anituber dudes that make her pussy wet, if she comes of like a fake bitch during this Coco collab today the rrat will be as good as confirmed for many people and not only here.

>> No.4766903

>>4746772
The sad thing is that she probably wants to do her holojob well but just can't force herself to give a fuck

>> No.4767140

>>4746660
h-holobased

>> No.4767330

>>4748519
>M-MUH SECRET HUGBOX
stop breathing

>> No.4767371

>>4767330
>Let me infest another one of your hobbies with my repulsive normalfaggotry! If you don't you're an incel!
Fuck off

>> No.4767417

>>4746660
>>4748129
holobased

>> No.4767482

>>4767417
You mean HoloBassed

>> No.4767824

ive had her blocked for months now, just do the same and you'll be fine

>> No.4767837

>>4748417
Well she was friends with that Vtuber "idol" that also likes connur and other TT dudes for some reason, now mori is going out drinking with Hime Hajime and probably ranting about Cover not letting her collab with whoever she want's even more openly than in those private streams. I see her in Vshojo when the contract runs out with different name but similar model, perhaps blonde hair this time?

>> No.4767914

>>4746566
Give yourself the sweet release of Death, Deadcuck

>> No.4768025

>>4767824
How the fuck do you block channels from youtube? I want to block clipfags.

>> No.4768084

I can't wait until V-tubing becomes a normalfag hobby and you incels run away. Kill yourselves if you can't find something else to do other than bitching.

>> No.4768102

>>4768025
I just have her blocked on twitter and unsubscribed on youtube so I dont know anything that goes on with her. Just keep on clicking the not interested and dont recommend channel button and itll eventually go away.

>> No.4768121

>>4768084
5%

>> No.4768154

>>4768025
you can block users from commenting on your channel, but you can set channels from popping up on your recommended by setting them up to ignore channel or Don't recommend this channel.

>> No.4768192

>>4768121
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/07/china/us-senators-taiwan-china-reaction-intl-mic-hnk/index.html

>> No.4768216

>>4768084
Nigger fuck off. You normalfags don't even watch streams. And that includes the fuckers like this
>>4768121
Who didn't even watch the full stream. Clipfaggots. All of you.

>> No.4768231

>>4760128
What if she tries to be energetic (no serious technical issues either) but it comes of as extremely forced and fake to the point Coco get's confused again?

>> No.4768241

>>4768154
>>4768102
That's nothing. They show up in the search. I have a hard time looking for Anya's channel because clipfags are higher on the prio.

>> No.4768243

>>4768084
>V-tubing becomes a normalfag hobby
It already is one.

>> No.4768276

>>4746981
just give her

>> No.4768346

>>4768241
I feel ya, last time I searched a chuuba, a doxxfag's came up first then 4 clippers who clipped the same thing but with different click bait titles.

>> No.4768401

>>4754422
No, I'm just saying that Watame's a better rapper than Mori. She's also one of the better singers in Hololive.

>> No.4768622

>>4748493
Rushia would beat Fraudlope Mori both in a rap freestyle battle and actual streat fight despite being shorter and asthmatic, change my mind.

>> No.4768681

>>4768401
Quantify what "best" means, anon. Mori is a specific style of j-rap I like exported to the english language. Find me another singer that does that and I'll listen to them too, and I tried looking. I still have Azki's playlist bookmarked and I have yet to check them all out.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRbKF4l1YzIPngmPmMyWj53GG30_Y1GRy

>> No.4768863

>>4748129
Dangerously based

>> No.4768899

>>4758965
Gigguk blackmailed them

>> No.4768911

>>4768681
Is the style "awful in every way"?

>> No.4769168
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>>4768911
https://youtu.be/EIbH2mmwqWA
https://youtu.be/F7r-p0Hv1u4
https://youtu.be/ABu0p8moLak
https://youtu.be/WpVQPtDOJNk
Dumb nigger. You don't see women and english speakers do these styles every day.

>> No.4769327

>>4746780
>Give me context. What’s the issue with the collab with Gigguk? I’ve been out of the loop
Slippery slope

>> No.4769362

The reason why there are so many shitters today is because a US senator went to Taiwan. Chinks are sperging across the world right now.

Death to China a

>> No.4769389

>>4746865
>if she even gives a fuck about her colleagues and senpai who paved the way for her popularity
this x100

>> No.4769606

>>4746566
>Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that she did nothing wrong
Nah, she clearly doesn't care about Hololive and only wants to collab with cringey people like critikal and anitubers

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>>4769168
I don't see a lot of women or EOPs doing Serbian polka either. That doesn't mean its good or worth copying.

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>>4748129
>She doesn't give a SINGLE FUCK about her senpais, doesn't even know who they are
Anon you are right, and i hate revealing this because she asked to keep in the stream, but in the latest members only, Coco said that she has become a lot more softer that when she started, and if that Coco would have been the one in the meme review with Mori, she would have beat the crap out of her, live and in front of everyone, which means that she perceived all of that, and contained herself.

>> No.4769820

>>4765574
more importantly she's a woman with huge self esteem issues, girl's like that sell themselves to ugly bastards for a new porse.

She also sees herself as this brave underground artist too good for this corpo shit and idols so she comes cynical or passive aggresive at times.

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>>4769732
Your subjective tastes in music do not decide what other people enjoy, nor have any effect on what people can create.
https://youtu.be/iYHC-_WnkiQ

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>>4746566
Of course she didn't. The laughs at the anal rupturing I've witnessed over the last day I will treasure forever.

>> No.4770017

>>4765465
she's going to join Vshojo 3 months from now mark my words, Hime Hajime will be her first collab!

>> No.4770021

>>4748519
HoloEN was a mistake

>> No.4770039

>>4758361
Again, she hates VTubers and idols; always has and has never made a secret of it and only started to change her views on VTubers around when she was auditioning for Hololive totally coincidentally. She treats her HoloEN groupmates solely as coworkers because she's not going to stick around and will bounce when she has the opportunity to. If she thought she'd be in a good position to do so after her contract is up (Japan typically doing 1 year contracts) she'd do it but I don't think she will just yet.

She doesn't bother to prep when collabing with her JP senpai as has been said and again, it's because VTubing is a job for her and nothing else. She doesn't care and is in it to get paid and as such I don't think she really has all that much respect for her senpai beyond maybe respecting their hustle. Someone said they could see her leaving Hololive to go to VShojo and I don't think that'd happen at all. When she leaves Hololive she won't go to Nijisanji or VShojo or Tsunderia. She'll just start streaming under her real identity and transition into being a "real" entertainer (not a phone baby one like a VTuber or an idol).

She bitches in her member streams about management not letting her do outside collabs and sure, I can get that being frustrating and I wish management would allow more of those too. But the fact she's more interested in doing outside collabs or prepares more and shows more energy doing things with an anituber like Gigguk while half-assing her Hololive collabs shows you exactly where her priorities are and where she's looking. People bitch about Ollie and Connor but you can watch Ollie and tell how much she loves Hololive and VTubing and that, naive is it may be, she probably sees things like that as getting attention for Hololive from more people and less about making herself a star. She tries hard to make all of her collabs entertaining and bridge gaps with her colleagues and even went out of her way to make an original song and small piece of animation for Astel's birthday. Would Mori do things like that for the other Holos? Doubtful.

I'm convinced that Mori's going to be the first member of Hololive to graduate simply because she wants to leave and not because of outside circumstances forcing it. Mori wants to be a "legitimate" entertainer and musician. Hololive and VTubing are a means to an end for her, not the end itself.

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4770070

>>4770039
>Worshipping corporations

>> No.4770568

>>4769791
I mean it's not like Calli would care enough to defend herself but it's clear something went wrong when you had Mori imitatiting a panic attack or stroke live for 45 minutes and Coco defending her shitty taste in memes on quite a few occasions I'm almost sure they talked before the stream and Calli said something about reddit memes being cringe and she wanted to show how she despise it but it came out more cringy than reddit.

>> No.4770611

>>4746566
Honestly I didn't care about it until i saw a few people in chat go "Oh Connor?" When they mentioned monkey which has literally never happened until the collab. It was worrying since is was a 6 month sub among a 3 (Or maybe 1 month?) as well, which they should know better from the rules. Hoping this isn't a trickle effect, because I came just to enjoy just Vtubers. I'd rather have people say PPT than some random person not directly affiliated with Hololive.

>> No.4771125

>>4770039
She will join Vshojo because she already hangs out with one of their members and Gunrun will pay for her new model and shit because it's potentially a huge boost for shojowhores even if ya boi is not really into coomerbaiting vshojocucks wouldn't care if she's not trying to collab with other members nearly as much or not doing that much at all because she will be concentrated on her roommates yt music channel anyway and use Vtuber model for occasional stream with gigguk or some other dude she likes since twitch aint the best platform for uploading music videos.

>> No.4771149

>>4746660
Extremely based and totally unbiased

>> No.4771154

>>4746566
I blame cover management

>> No.4771293

>>4771154
I blame 4chan for not showing EN management that EN fans can be just as crazy as 5ch narrative schizos, as a result EN whores convinced them that we can be ignored.

>> No.4771392

>>4770039
Can she even reach half the success if she ever graduate and go indie? She wouldn't retain her model or music and some people would only see her as a traitor. Yeah, she wouldn't give two shits about antis, but really, trying to grow your own brand would be hard as an indie streamer and won't be an instant success like HoloEN did. People like Gigguk or any other ecelebs only cared for her character and the giant fanbase behind it. They wouldn't care for her if she ever became an indie streamer.

>> No.4771487

>>4770039
>only started to change her views on VTubers around when she was auditioning for Hololive totally coincidentally
Yes because you would never change your opinion on something once you'd gotten experience with it.

>> No.4771536

>>4746660
Too fucking based.

>> No.4771667

>>4746660
They should've put her in VSingers instead. If there's no generation barrier for Myths. They could easily take out Mori for VSinger and debut 6 people as the new "Myths".

>> No.4772735

>>4746780
Mori and Kiara had a Shadowverse collab a while back, which was to feature a practice stream and then culminate in a match between them. During the showdown, Kiara absolutely destroyed her with an OP deck and basically left her seething in silence for the duration of the stream.
Fast forward a week and Mori has a Shadowverse stream that's not sponsored. She says she's on a mission to improve and play in a tournament, which will also have Kiara in it. She's pretty bad at the game, and needs training. This is where Gigguk comes in, who's already autistically played the game and hit Grandmaster in it last year. Figuring it's as good an opportunity as it comes, she asks him for a collab/training session, although I believe he's participating in the tournament as well. Despite being out of the meta for a long time and making some misplays here and there, he does a fairly good job sharing what he knows while cracking jokes. Mori manages to get some wins in at the end mainly due to Gigguk having shit draws, although they both bricked pretty bad.
Will Mori redeem herself or will she get humiliated again by Kiara? Will they even face each other? Will Gigguk appear again to mog them both because he's the only one who's actually not retarded at the game? Who knows.

>> No.4772801

>>4771392
That depends how would she approach her graduation from Hololive, part of her audience would certainly follow wherever she goes and no matter what she do but there would be also more antis than she ever had. If it feels like she's rude to the holos or dismissive even normie audience might turn against her and I can imagine this board would hunt for any shitty comment from Calli any sign of her being ungrateful to her company or genmates and she will provide some shit sooner or later comming from a mix of insecurity and butthurt.

She wouldn't exactly disappear but would never be as big as Morri either, perhaps 1/4 of that at best.

>> No.4772837

>>4771667
She's going to V-shojo in about 3 months.

>> No.4772966

>>4768192
holy shit is this the latest cope?

>> No.4773094

>>4772966
it is, been seeing it alot in anti-mori threads to derail most of it

>> No.4773263

>>4756159
yes if you paint it as white or black you are a racist in some or other, fuck burgers for ruining everything

>> No.4774217

>>4770039
She can't stay in JP if she leave though.

>> No.4774267

>>4754811
Gigacuck

>> No.4774272

>>4748519
Absolutely based take.

>> No.4774277

>>4769791
>Coco said that she has become a lot more softer that when she started

Anon is it archived? Because I'm joining Coco member stream just to hear her say it in her own words.

>> No.4774914

>>4771487
I could accept that her opinion changed if we weren't witnessing how seriously she takes collabing with, ugh, JP Holos versus collabing with OMG GIGGUK uwu

>> No.4775212

>>4768231
If she's trying she at least cares that much.

>> No.4775385

>>4774914
Well apparently she's doing more music collabs within Hololive and she did a few of those in the past so I guess we can believe her to some extent,.. They asked her to do the song for Alternative for a reason.

>>4775212
She will try to fake some enthusiasm for this collab I have little doubt, that 1K dislikes (Holo EN record btw) wasn't exactly subtle but the tragic part is she probably really wanted to care from the start but just couldn't force herself enough.

>> No.4775398

>>4746566
Sure

>> No.4775506

>>4774277
report back here if it's true

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>>4746837
>>4746865
Holy fuck, THIS is what all these thread are about? For fucks sake, please do as the picture says and you will feel all better

>> No.4776556

>>4775506
Joined. Just finished watching the latest member stream from the same day with Mori Coco collab. It's mostly Coco reviewing her early streans (asacocos streams). I don't think it happened. or if it does I missed it.

If the other guy can tell me the timestamp, I'll go back and watch it. For now I'd say 50-50 I missed it or it's false rrat.

>> No.4776690

I swear Mori, Kiara, Coco and Ollie are better off at Vshoujo anyway despite not talking about sex and body fluids as much or something where they can do whatever not underneath a brand

>> No.4777206

>>4776556
>same day with Mori Coco collab
Is that Coco's latest members only? Cause anon said it happened in her latest one and the mori meme review was two weeks ago I think.

>> No.4778210

>>4777206
>>4776556
Let's go anon I need the rrats

>> No.4778318

>>4777206
>>4778210
Yes, latest one. Joined because I wanted to hear it myself. I'm not rewatching an hour video. If that anon comes back and gives a rough timestamp, I'll relisten transliterate it here. If Coco said what he wrote, it's definitely in passing while talking about events from early Asacoco streams.

My bet is Coco didn't say it though (or not long enough for me to catch on). I'm still betting Coco didn't say it though. 54 out of 59 minutes is talking about memorable Asacoco events.

>> No.4778409

>>4748519
Based take.
I mean come on, if I want IRL streamers there are dozens out there on Twitch. Why you had to bring them here, in this cozy little streaming genre?

>> No.4778436

>>4760315
Sasuga based Demi-poster

>> No.4778580

Garnt is not that bad.
Don't be surprised at all, she WILL collab with Charlie.
Watching vtubers is not some niche hobby.

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4778662

this is just like when the little boy gets jealous his babysitter is sitting for other kids.

>> No.4778769

>>4764192
>Mori just being absolutely shitty or disinterested towards things Kiara is doing or talking about
can you blame her?

>> No.4778847

>>4768681
That's the thing anon, I don't like J-rap. I'd rather listen to german-rap when I don't even understand shit. Even fucking uk drill is better than j-rap. I'll listen to Mori tho

>> No.4778953

>>4764192
Where's this "unresponsive off stream" thing coming from? If anything I get the impression that they're good friends off-stream and Kiara's sad that Mori cannot translate that to on-stream at all.

>> No.4778999

>>4778847
Again, that's literally your preference, not necessarily an indicator of quality.

>> No.4779177

>>4774277
Based if true

>> No.4779226

>>4772735
And who cares?
thanks for the summary tho

>> No.4779254

>>4747089
same thing I think about 4/5 of EN

>> No.4779271

>>4748129
Listen cumbud, Gura is average at best and you're just blinded by rhombus cunny.

>> No.4779311

>>4748129
>Kiara is fluent
She was worse than Mori in the last JP usaken minecraft and the little she did speak she was heavily accented and didn't seem like she knew whats going on that well. Fucking coco stepped in.

>> No.4779352

>>4748519
Finally a good post.
t. /a/

>> No.4779401

>>4765637
Go ask /co/ if they agree with you. Or /fit/. Or even fucking /cgl/. and /a/.
Normalfags (read: women) ruin everything, directly by being fucking retarded and indirectly through simps and whiteknights.

>> No.4779482

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrkNwjruz5k

>> No.4779551

>>4747146
Please, nijiEN was my safe haven

>> No.4779644

>>4779311
Do you actually believe this? Out of all the EN member she's the only one that actually speaks japanese. Do you think she's just been bullshtting her way through holotalk? There are so many things to criticize about chicken but her japanese skill definitely isn't one of them. Calli on the other hand barely gets together a full sentence.

>> No.4779696

>>4779311
>t. hasn't actually watched it
and do I need to remind you that it was an 8 people collab? you hardly need a single person to carry it, and even in this one Moona obviously spoke the least, since she barely understands basic Japanese.
also
>the little she did speak she was heavily accented
that's just retarded when you're comparing her to Calli. Calli literally has worse pronounciation than Gura or Ame who don't even know the language.

>> No.4779802
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4779802

>>4748519
>that feels threatening
For a good reason. That is how this shit starts. "Oh come on, let's collab with TT, they are based xD". And in 1 year you won't recognize Vtubing anymore. And don't you dare speaking out against that, just don't watch Mori's collabs!

>> No.4779917

>>4779802
I never realized this before, but that pic is basically just hipsters complaining about their media becoming mainstream and apprealing to the wider masses. kek

>> No.4780050

>>4779917
*hipsters complaining their media gets changed to an unrecognizable state to appeal to an wider audience that never engaged with the original to begin with

>> No.4780067

>>4747146
NijiEN feels more like OG Hololive than her and the rest of HoloEN though, so that's why I want distance from Mori. I think the vshojo fans would probably welcome Mori and the members of her extended universe though!

>> No.4780129

>>4779917
>>4780050
We're heroes defending our sacred arts from the atrocity of being enjoyed wrong.

>> No.4780136

>>4748519
Agreed. That's why i thought HoloEN was a mistake because i knew their audience would be filled with underage normalfag ironic weebs and avoided them.

>> No.4780147

>>4763692
>YGO is a mess
It was actually incredibly good and by far the best cardgame for almost 2 year
Post-Firewall ban untill the january 2020 banlist we had an incredibly high skill and fairly diverse meta (4 decks dominated but they all had different lists depending on the meta, and we had roque decks like BA and Prankids topping and even winning events)

Adter the january banlist the game has gone downhill again though, the highest skill play is normal alister and set 4 pass

>> No.4780163

>>4780129
As someone who has watched multiple hobbies go to shit over the past ten years-
Yes.

>> No.4780207

>>4780129
Again, everyone can enjoy the hobby in any way they want. But once the hobby has to change to accommodate new people, we have a problem.

>> No.4780250

>>4780163
What hobbies have you seen go to shit?

>> No.4780300

>>4780250
if you have to ask you havent been paying attention to anything.

>> No.4780301

>>4780250
Comics
Video games
Television and movies
Tabletop
Music
Off the top of my head

>> No.4780386

>>4780207
>Anyone can enjoy the hobby however they want, but once I have to accommodate knowing they're enjoying it wrong, we have a problem.

>>4780301
Applies to you as well, because I've been enjoying those all hobbies for a lot longer than 10 years and I'm still enjoying them the same as always because I'm not a bitch that cares what others fags do.

>> No.4780397

>>4764459
I disagree. That's totally incel behavior.

>> No.4780428

>>4780386
And you have no standards, so we can leave it at that

>> No.4780472

>>4780136
That’s really it though isn’t it? The vast majority of EN fans are people who don’t know anything about idol culture (not exactly surprising because it doesn’t have much international reach) and see it as a bunch of cute anime girls that they can interact with. They also likely got more into anime by watching Gigguk and his ilk, who helped give anime a wider western audience. So an EN vtuber who is a property of a Japanese idol company, doing a collab with someone like that, is in a way the sprinkles on top of the shit sundae. Or at least that’s my interpretation.

>> No.4780493

>>4780386
congrats youre the masses corporate wants to appeal to. I bet you have a big funko pop collection too

>> No.4780580

>>4779311
yea tiara are debuffed on the last usaken stream, its understandable, you know how numberfags tiara is and top 3 jp's earners are there, she must be nervous

>> No.4780663

>>4771293
I say go full 5ch once rrats are proven

>> No.4780680
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4780680

>>4780301
popular culture was a mistake

>> No.4780740

>>4780301
>Video games
Just avoid AAA bullshit. There are plenty of good games being released, especially if you look at japanese ones.
>Music
There's so much music out there at least one active artist shoud fit your tastes and even if that's not the case, the shit you already like doesn't get affected by new releases.
You sound like whiny faggot to me.

>> No.4780764

>>4780428
Sure, I'll take my lack of standards over crying in the shower for an hour because there's a sexually deviant minority or woman lead in a show I don't even care about.

>>4780493
Far from it. Are you implying that the only options are to either enjoy the most mainstream mass produced corporate shit presentation of a hobby, or screech on the internet that the hobby has been ruined by normies?
Sounds to me like you are all just really shit at your hobbies if you can't see that there's a lot more to them than their mainstream form.

>> No.4780785

>>4780740
>Just look for niche and foreign media bro
It's all so tiresome

>> No.4780830

>>4780764
I implied you had a big funko pop collection, but thanks for showing me your insecurity. Enjoy your npc entertainment. The only thing shit is your taste.

>> No.4780906

>>4780785
>Just avoid AAA bullshit.
Okay, I did, I found this little niche called vtubing which is really fun and I am enjoying it a lot. Do I wait until that is fucked too by the AAA crowd?

>> No.4780950

>>4780147
Monkeyflip isn't even really the best deck, though.
That's Tri-Brigade Zoodiac.

>> No.4780994

>>4770017
Blessed comment, all the deadbraps can go back to twitch and leave us alone for once.

>> No.4781010

>>4780785
>I have unusual tastes, why doesn't the mainstream appeal to me?
Refer to the last line of >>4780740
Yeah it's tiresome, but nobody should bendover backwards to appeal to you.
>>4780906
You can start complaining if the JP branch starts doing e-celeb collabs, until then you can literally just ignore EN and not give them any attention. Don't forget to do your reps.

>> No.4781078

>>4781010
>Find niche taste
>It gets popular
>Turns into something I don't like
>Get told to go find something else
Someone post the "Go find your own thing. Let us in to your thing." comic

>> No.4781083

>>4780830
Sorry I didn't know I was speaking to an ESL.
You should google what "implying" means, I'll avoid (try not to use) big words from now on.

You say that you have hard time finding good thing in hobby.
You think it's because they don't make good thing in hobby, because a lot of people like bad thing in hobby.
I look at thing in hobby, it is bad thing in hobby.
I keep looking for good thing in hobby, eventually find good thing in hobby.
I think you bad at looking for thing in hobby.

>> No.4781210

>>4781078
You can complain about it all you want but normies have the numbers and unless artists are willing to take a paycut to appeal to you, you'll be trapped in this infinite cycle of finding new hobbies and watching them go to shit. Either accept it or complain. Either way doesn't really affect me, I'll find my niche.

>> No.4781310

>>4781210
>Comes into discussion focused on critiquing the direction of media, asserts all critiquing is pointless and acts high and mighty because "I' don't care lmao"
Truly the highest of enlightened takes you have there Anon.
Also I think I'll do both, thank you very much.

>> No.4781319

>>4780906
>gaymin was ruined by normies!!!
>no it wasn't, just don't play normie shit, there's plenty of other games and always will be.
>ok but what about when the same thing happens to vtubers?!!?!?!?

>> No.4781462

>>4746660
Holofuckingbased.

>> No.4781614

>>4780067
I’m glad I’m not the only person who thinks nijiEN actually nailed the feel of JP vtubers better, I can certainly see vshojo accepting mori though

>> No.4781684

>>4781083
Are you capable of not typing like an insufferable faggot?

>> No.4781791

>>4781684
I tried but your (or their) ESL ass can't understand straight English. Insufferable faggot seems like the only language we can both speak.

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4782266

>>4770039
>mfw the rrats feels more believable the more I read this thread
What's even what anymore
4ch congrats on turning my brain into mush again!

>> No.4784392

>>4780301
Isnt it cringe and tryhard to be passionate about hobbies. Just do them ironically

>> No.4784543

>>4746660
Deadbraps fucking dies. Kek

>> No.4785020

>>4784392
>Isnt it cringe and tryhard to be passionate about hobbies. Just do them ironically
no it isnt you fag.

>> No.4785282

>>4780493
You say this but, isn't HoloEN doing that right now? Shedding hardcore fans like dead skin in order to appeal to a larger base of casuals and fair weather fans.

>> No.4785362

Reminder that we are 269 days since Calliope Mori debuted. If she's on a one-year contract, it's up in just over 3 months (96 days). They could reasonably be in negotiations for renewal right now.

That said, I've got the Mario Party collab on and it's actually good. She's not forcing herself and she still sounds a bit awkward, but she's clearly engaged with the game and trying to be an active participant in conversation. At this point I'm not confident in the "Mori doesn't care about Hololive" rrats. On the other hand, "Mori has been too dead to be an active member of Hololive" rrats will be on upturn.

>> No.4785623

>>4780301
its true that all of those things became utter garbage in the west due to woke shit and creators being absolutely creatively bankrupt. i was consuming both western and japanese for a long time, but now i only consume japanese stuff except for indie/underground music.

>> No.4785839

>>4785623
Isn't this the formula for most companies? Appeal to the fringes and hardcore audiences at the beginning, ride off their passion and money until profits hit a plateau, then in order to appeal to larger demographic they simplify the product....Isnt it a cycle? If you had your own vtuber agency wouldn't you do the same?

>> No.4788597

>>4746566
Does Gigacuck know about the BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP yet?

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4789662

>>4748493
man i wish watame made more music
i hope she gets better mentally and go back to that

>> No.4789878

>>4746660
based

>> No.4789981

>>4780136
ironic weebs are like 95% of mori's fanbase which explains everything really

>> No.4790036

>>4746566
More gigguk collabs soon, bros

>> No.4790063

>>4784392
Fucking kill yourself you worthless piece of frogshit.

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4790070

>>4746660
Deadbraps on suicide watch

>> No.4790638

>>4768241
I use the blocktube extension, it can block channels entirely. If I manage to end up on one of their videos (like if someone links it here and I try to play it embedded) it will just refuse to load. Also blocks comments using regex so you can filter out all of the retarded template memes that faggots post under every video. It's fucking great.

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4791351

>>4748493
>>4789662
Watamelon Head unironically has a better lyrical flow and backing track than any of Calli's tracks, change my mind

>> No.4793993

>>4755677
retard, grow a brain

>> No.4795097

>>4748129
AHHH, NAWROO HOWDOW NAY, ANON!

>> No.4796016

>>4746566
Stream today (mario party) was pure absolute Kino, I feel sorry for anyone that could not enjoy it.

>> No.4796479

I like pink woman

>> No.4797119

>>4748129
Holy based
Deadbraps can never recover from this

>> No.4797389

>>4778318

Congrats anon, you just got finessed into paying for Coco’s membership. That other guy is a fucking genius.

>> No.4797705

>>4770039
Anon, at least VShojo exists now. HoloMyth had an excuse, but now, there is no reason for the anyone EN speaker complaining they want absolute freedom to stay in Hololive anymore. Holo would instantly be accepted into VShojo.

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4798328

>>4796479
Based

>> No.4798811

mori's actually a genius most holos cant collab with men or you retards try to burn them down so she collabs with a huge faggot as damage control

>> No.4798827

>>4746566
im ~95% sure she did nothing right

>> No.4798860

>>4798811
5braps.....

>> No.4798881

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ9mH4YC6MY

he's coming after your oshi next

>> No.4798988

>>4797705
even Mori is smart enough to know getting tangled up with sjws is worse than any corporate cage

>> No.4799284

>>4784392
the cause of death of this website in one sentence

>> No.4800718

>>4746566
I love TT so much

>> No.4800801

>>4798881
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ9mH4YC6MY
>video reveals that he was a fan before EN.
OHNONONO UNICORN BROS.

>> No.4801356

>>4746566
Anyone have clips of this stream. I have no interest in watching the stream since I don't care for Shadowverse but I'd like to compare her enthusiasm to her Mario Party collab.

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4801540

>>4800801
>video was made in october 2020
double retard

>> No.4801656

>>4798881
>brown, mongo face, mongo pp
even i have higher chances at my oshi

>> No.4802547

I have the same issue with Gigguk and anitubers that I used to have with Korone, in that they aren’t inherently terrible people or make only terrible content, it’s just that they’re magnets that attract absolute retards. Mori isn’t my Oshi, she could suck a dick live on stream and it wouldn’t bother me, but it starts to become a problem when retards from Gigguk’s channel start migrating into her channel to watch her streams, and then start filtering into other streams that I actually do watch.

It’s already bad enough as is with the troglodytes in chat and snowflakes trying to force their memes on everybody. The fact most Japanese holos chats look like a comment section for your average reddit post is disgusting enough as is, I don’t need ironic weeb bullshit sprinkled on top of it.

>> No.4802628

>>4801540
>same video references Ai as well as past videos alluding to vtubers.
Admit that you're an ignorant ass, and you never watched him prior to TT.

>> No.4802922

>>4802628
>believing what a cloutchaser says

>> No.4802983

>>4802922
>Clout chaser.
>Same guy who swore off BBC for being a weeb.
If he really was a clout chaser, he'd be working for BBC and not be an anituber.

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