/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>47416073
I expected them to have one gen every year, so I'm not surprised just disappointed

>>47416073
>600 days and still no one in Council achieved 1 million subs and thus gave Cover a reason to add a new gen
Bravo Council, Bravo Council fans.

>beg hololive for new gens
>bash nijisanji for new gens
why is /vt/ like this

>>47416073
Holohomos gen 78, take it or leave it

>>47416230
>new gen every 3 months
Bad!
>new gen every 2 years
Also Bad!
>new gen every 10-15 months
Probably about right for EN

quality over quantity

>>47416230
>Doesn't have a new gen for almost 2 years now
>Gets new wave like every 3-4 months
Idk. You tell me.

>>47416073
It's too late. All the good talents are gone. Cover literally took too long.

>>47416230
always greener on the other side. Unless it's EN and you're on JP.

>>47416230
Hate them both. EN was a mistake.

>>47416073
T3MPUS

>>47416230
>you either want one gen every two years or 4 gens a year
>no in between
I swear you people are autistic

I mean, unironically, I would not be surprised if Council and Myth basically taking a combined 300+ days off has made Cover think westerners are unironically too lazy to bother with another gen.

>>47416981
And they're not wrong. But if they learn how fucking contracts work then they can actually start making EN gens that aren't lazy sharts

>>47417034
Well, the thing is they're spoiled. Because a lot of the JP and ID girls, Noel, Marine, Pekora, Kaela, etc, stream often for no other reason than because they want to.

So, they probably can't imagine why the EN girls would be so collectively lazy.

>>47416634
They also ruined HoloEN by their attempt to mix it with males. The damage to their reputation is unrecoverable.

Gura would definitely be Mr Bean's oshi

>>47416073
Not only EN3 is overdue, now EN4 also is overdue

>>47417332
Because she only showed up for one season and still rides the clout years after?

We got EN3 ages ago dumbass. We're waiting for EN5

>>47417158
Other en corpos don't have this problem. So what's going on with the HoloEN branch?

>>47417158
I think the Chinese manager is sabotaging the branch from the inside. Nothing else makes sense.

>>47417450
Like that other anon said, probably no contract-based incentive to make them stream.

Actually too much talent freedom lol.

>>47416859
>>47417424
One day you guys will understand this.

>>47416073
get 1M subs first, then they will think about releasing a en3

>>47416981
Yet they released 8 boys in 6 months

>>47416555
You're getting neither

>>47417609
>Actually too much talent freedom lol
amazing
bravo kson

>>47417695
Well, yeah because the boys are Yagoo's pet project. He pushed for Holostars EN personally.

>>47417632
Futile task. Anons from HoloEN management will never understand that.

>>47417632
That may be how the company is structured because of JP audience, but they know the West for the most part doesn't have an issue with them and Holostars will have a much higher shared audience here. As a result, it would clutter up everything if they released hologirls EN3 too close to stars. Functionally, Holostars DID take the slots of EN3 and 4.

>>47416859
>T3MPUS
Tempus was clearly intended to be EN3 even if management got cold feet and wouldn't publicly say that. We are going to see Tempus 3 this summer and the only question is whether they debut before or after the holoEN concert.

>>47417996
>have a much higher shared audience here
While this is true you're comparing almost nothing to an actual, albeit small, number of people. Just look at their viewership nowadays and you see how the big ones are struggling to reach 2k while the runts are all 3view or barely above 1k. The shared audience is still very small at the end of the day and pushing them instead of EN3 at least after the first 4 will be a costly mistake for Cover when HoloEN still isn't in a place where they can have a couple of members missing and it won't hurt the amount of streams they have daily.

>>47418807
That's like saying Uproar is JP7.

>>47419309
>waste 600 days on a handful of 3views and a couple low 4views
>the shittiest girl in HoloEN gets more engagement and viewership than any of them on any given day.
>a majority of the fans even in the west won’t watch them
What a waste of fucking time.

>>47416192
Let’s be real here, if gura never blew up like she did, most of her genmates wouldn’t have reached 1 million either, when you factor out the fatass gura buff, council and myth are pretty comparable

>>47420067
Pretty much. I get that they didn't want Anycolor to dominate yet again the male vtuber market but they should've just went with the 6 they got at the beginning (it's been confirmed that one of them was Flayon, but I think we still don't know who was the other) and have an EN3 ready to debut in late 2022/early 2023. It would fall around the 15-16 ish month wait between gens both JP and ID had for their most recent ones and it wouldn't feel like Cover was betting everything on a bunch of guys believing things would be wildly different in the west. Now it's been 600 days since Council and who the fuck knows when an EN3 will finally drop.

>>47416073
If they don't get announced during the EN concert, then probably never.

>>47416073
>Begging for collabs
>Begging for EN3
The absolute state of holofans
They REFUSE to support their oshi

>>47416554
The funny thing its not like your asking them to do the for all eternity. Like, anon, how many gens should they have done that before slowing way the fuck down? Gen 6 maybe?

>>47420480
The second one was Bettel. Yeah, Cover only "success" of second batch of Tempus could simply debuted with first one...

>>47420480
It could have been different if they hired men that appeal to the West.
Alas, what could have been.

>>47420731
>hire people that sound like faggots to play characters that look like faggots
>”Brotubers”
But they were totally released to appeal to men, and not the same bugpeople that used to tune into a Vox ASMR.

>>47420576
Yep, that's now the next logical announcement date.

>>47420731
>hired men that appeal to the West.
Such men don't exist in vtubing

>>47416073
When your whores start streaming

>>47420625
For EN they should've debut at least 4 gens before starting to slow down. JP had 28 members at the same time it took EN to have 10 which is fucking insane, and since there's no fucking way we'll get 2 gens this year the comparison will end up being 32 (33 if you count Aloe) to 15 IF an EN3 happens this year.

>>47420714
Christ, so they already had all the 3 most successful members ready to debut but they still waited to get 2 more runts. Granted, they're doing better than Flayon but it was absolutely not worth it trading an EN3 for them.

>>47420869
The logical announcement should've been before the concert so they could lead the hype to it and do a watchalong. Right now we'll be lucky if we get any ID or JP members to watch it since it'll be rather early for them.

>>47420860
You know I did never get that grand part of their master plan. Cover had already left China, and they were moving into "EN" territory. To me it looks like they still had Sino on the mind and just browsed Twitter and Reddit for their "research" and called it a day.
I guess, at the very least, they tried.

>>47416073
T3mpus was meant to be originally EN3, it's in the fucking name, no amount of coping and seething will change that
It was supposed to herald a merge of Hololive and Holostars into one general banner in time for their IPO
This was also why T3mpus were originally meant to have six members
Pushback from JP and En members caused them to rightfully chicken out
They then shitcanned Omega and put JP management in charge of EN
EN3 will now be delayed until at least end of the year as a way to "punish" EN management for their dumbass stunt
The EN concert is just them throwing a bone to EN fans, don't believe the "EN3 will be a concert announcement" delusion
Leave it to JP corp culture to always resort to embarassment and exclusion as pressure
That's it, that's your rrat
>>47420480
Bettel was the other one you shitass, the Summer Triangle/Winter Triangle theme instantly gave it away
How new are you?

>>47417632
Holo staff tried to get the whole "Tempus is EN3!" meme to take root and not even the motherfucking Holo subreddit (of all places) were willing to play along. Pretty sure EN management has no idea where the fuck to go from here.

>>47421186
>How new are you?
I don't watch any of them and don't go on their threads to know about it? The red fag was obvious because of the gorilla manager memes, but the other one didn't had as much of a fanfare about it. Also take your meds if you think not debuting an EN3 is a way to "punish" the EN staff.

>>47421275
Well am I glad it fucking failed.

>>47421186
>T3mpus was meant to be originally EN3, it's in the fucking name
This is unironically schizo logic

>>47420968
>hire male vtubers for western men
>western men won’t watch them unless they have a propensity for sucking cock
>Vtubing is inherently sexual and a majority of the people that got into watching in the west did so because they saw a cute shark or a cute Ai dancing around or doing cute girl shit.
>Male Vtubers have to be more than sexually appealing to get male viewers
>they can’t do this because ????
>male Vtubers have to compete with every fleshtuber male that viewers already watch
>Female Vtubers have to compete with twitch whores at best.

WHY WONT MEN WATCH MY HOMOEROTIC FAGGOT TUBER SISTERS?!

>>47421186
>EN management makes a retarded decision
>fire the people in charge
>punish the remaining people that had nothing to do with the decision
This is so dumb, I believe it.

I still think them getting a new Gen together either right before the concert for a watchalong, or announce the new Gen at the concert makes more sense.

>>47421588
>sexually appealing male Vtubers
It's kind of a misunderstanding, I believe. Austin Powers is sexually appealing, but like most men it's not because of his outfit. It's how he carries himself.
Most female Vtubers brush away sexual things as well. I think in that way men get more freedom in who they appeal to.
Hiring men specifically to be sexy is the big mistake. That's not the appeal.
Any man with a modicum of spotlight can get a wife. I think the model only works as an initial draw in. When the debut is finished you have to ask 'Okay now what?' and that's what I think the aim should be at. Remember; most of Myth still set themselves apart by having actual talents outside of streaming.

>>47417158
>noel
she doesn't stream that much, she's comparable to people like fauna/irys/mori/bae
>>>>marine
ah, you're meming, she streams less than most ENs

The truth is that there are a lot of lazy JPs or JPs who stream about as much of many of the ENs. But there are more JPs to take up the slack.

>>47420044
no, the distinction in JP is stricter.
EN, however...

>>47422234
wtf did Pekora do to get 178k peak ccv?

>>47422475
hosted the pokemon tourney
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHXSfWeA1iE
https://vrabi.net/video/UHXSfWeA1iE

EN has completely fucked up managing what it had, dont give it more to fuck up. MAke EN actually function instead of throwing more guaranteed failures out

>>47416073

Hololive EN doesn't deserve a Gen 3 until they either shape up the talent they do have or clean house.

- Council didn't even come close to their predecessors numbers.
- To say the girls have taken advantage of the company and the consumers is an understatement. Almost to the girl, they stream 10 - 15 hours a week tops. Likewise, they barely average two streams a week.
- They don't pump out additional content outside of streaming, so there really is no excuse.

So the question I have to ask you is why would Cover go out of their way to not only hire talents, but management to manage them when what they have shows absolutely no work ethic?

>>47416981

Hit the nail right on the fucking head. Outside of Kiara, who is her own bag of shit for reasons besides her work ethic, the rest of them are a bunch of lazy fucks. Gura and Ina are especially the worst and should be immediately fired.

>>47417034

Agreed. The new people should be brought in with very strict content requirements and when it comes time for Myth / Council to renew their contracts hold them to exact same standards. If they don't want to, they can graduate. I think the absolute minimum a contract should require is 15 hours of stream and 3 streams a week, period. You're free to do more, but you WILL do that minimum. That's literally 37.5% of a typical work week hours wise, 60% of a typical work week day wise and we all know it's for infinitely higher pay than average. Hell, I'll even be extra gracious and say they can take a week off per quarter. That makes it so if they stream their required 3 days a week on Sun-Tues, they wouldn't have to come back until Thurs-Sat 16 days later. 156 days of work a year, minimum, by contract, that's all.

>>47417450

Most likely shitty contracts and shitty management who doesn't keep them on their leashes properly. They're a product to be sold and need to be treated like it.

>>47416230
>hololive good
>niji bad
simple as

>>47422620
shiiiet nigga

>>47423067
>the rest of them are a bunch of lazy fucks
Fauna, Mumei, and Bae seem to be pretty good at streaming regularly, no? Mumei took some time off but was giving updates almost every single day on why that was so it's not like she was ghosting like a pair of Myth members did
And despite an underwhelming start, CCV on council is pretty decent nowadays. Mumei nearly had 10k despite overlapping like 3 or 4 other streamers, including Gura

>>47416073
You could have pieced together your own "EN3" by picking five decent girls from indies and several different small corpos.
Good vtubers exist that don't have a blue triangle next to their name, you know.

>>47420250
Gura doesn't grant any buff, especially not now with her almost year of flakiness. Likewise, she literally partnered with Mumei, Kronii, and Fauna to make SNOT and they didn't see the buff either. Myth got into the industry with lots of buffs, but Gura isn't one of them.

>>47420480
Flayon was one of their potential first batch choices? Big oof there, he's literally the worst one out of all the guys hands down.

>>47421186
rrat harder. Stars and Live are two different branches, period. They're not meant to merge the gens at all. If they were truly trying to do something like that they'd go all in and make a mixed gender gen, period.

>>47423067
> think the absolute minimum a contract should require is 15 hours of stream and 3 streams a week, period. You're free to do more, but you WILL do that minimum. That's literally 37.5% of a typical work week hours wise, 60% of a typical work week day wise and we all know it's for infinitely higher pay than average. Hell, I'll even be extra gracious and say they can take a week off per quarter. That makes it so if they stream their required 3 days a week on Sun-Tues, they wouldn't have to come back until Thurs-Sat 16 days later. 156 days of work a year, minimum, by contract, that's all.
Unironically, a majority of the EN audience will call this unreasonable and unfair. It's amazing how fucking little work these girls are doing when what you said, a FRACTION of what 99% do, is a massive step up to the point of feeling impossible

Is there any reason people are opposed to frequent new waves aside from niji does it? If you don't like the new gen you can just not watch it

>>47423469
Retarded not even relevant take. He never said he didn’t do that. He said he wanted specifically an EN3 for Hololive. I’ve branched out myself and found some small corpos and indies that I enjoy on the occasion, but none of that matters because he’s specifically talking about EN3

>>47423723
For me, I want to know that when I look at "Hololive" or "Holostars" next to someone's name, I stand a better than average chance of them being a high quality streamer. Niji takes the shotgun approach of "Just fire as many out there and hopefully one hits."

I don't have the time or dedication to dig through a pile of mediocrity hoping to find the one gem.

That's not to say that I PERSONALLY find every Cover member to be entertaining for what I am looking for, but even the ones I absolutely hate, I can acknowledge that I can see that they are talented and someone else will enjoy them.

>>47423723
I'm not "opposed" to it by default, but I think there's an argument to be made about allowing a gen/wave time to settle. Niji has done some if its livers a massive disservice by throwing some new ones out to the wolves when the last ones still haven't even found their footing.
And it's more than just their ability as a streamer. It's about integrating with the rest of the branch, getting to know your senpais, and building "muh unity". I know niji cliques are a meme, but I genuinely feel like constantly shoving out new streamers causes the clique mentality by forcing hierarchies and groups to form. Meanwhile, in holo, they just integrate and become part of the big friend group

>>47423594
NTA. Tempiss definitely wasn’t an attempt to merge the gens, but people are going to feel that way regardless now because of the HOLOLIVEPRODUCTIONS bullshit that Reddit and EN twitter pushed. Even the faggots themselves say that shit so they can feel like they’re part of the club. It’s no mistake that people would think that EN is trying to break the mould with their retarded Twitter shit and word usage.

>>47423723
hard to support events and organize things when you have too many people and they're all at different stages of their career

Hard to vet when they're too frequent, greater chance of undesirable people entering and activisting everything to death, can already see this happening

One person's yab can fuck up things for other talents, one bad talent can screw up the work of a dozen others

>>47423723
it's psychological. less new talents = higher perceived value.
even if you know about this and it's not actually true, some people prefer it this way
also it makes it look like the company actually gives a shit about who they hire. if they don't care and hire anybody, why should i care?

>>47423649
People take their Oshi worship too seriously and will treat these streamers like gods. Gods who need to be coddled and treated like children. It’s baffling how many unironic “idc if my Oshi never streams I enjoy it when she does.” Even if their oshi streams once every blue moon for 2 hours. They eat that shit up. It’s just another type of mental illness.

>>47423020
>>47423067
Right now HoloEN doesn't have the luxury to fix it's problems and then debut an EN3. They need both a new gen and a new staff, the latter might be already happening when A-chan is now taking the role of "EN's A-chan" from Omega.

>>47423594
Flayon was the gorilla manager.

>>47423723
Having a constant influx of new blood is important in this business, but not in the way Anycolor does with Nijisanji. Hololive doesn't need 100+ members for a single branch, but taking almost 2 years to debut a new gen is not acceptable either.

>>47416073
The pool of EN candidates is so bad that there is basically no way to make EN3.

>>47424146
>kobo

>>47422234
Marine did tons of collabs, retardchama

>>47416073
why wont you just eat your homo veggies

>>47423067
>Council didn't even come close to their predecessors numbers.
Using what metrics? Subs? Are you going to compare HoloX subs to Gen 1 subs and say they aren't as successful because none of them have passed Matsuri?
>Likewise, they barely average two streams a week.
This is just blatantly false. The girls who do stream usually stream 4-6 times a week. Are Gura and Ina all of EN?

>>47424123
>the latter might be already happening when A-chan is now taking the role
It is happening, there wont be an EN3 until they've fixed EN, we'll see how long that takes

>>47424259
I’d rather watch all of Pewdiepies old Hotwheel’s content with my eyes clamped open like I’m in. “A Clockwork Orange” then sit through 1 minute of a FaggotEN stream. Nty. I’d rather watch fucking markipliar make a onions scared face playing FNAF. I’d rather watch OneyNG pick his nose and make monkey noises. I’d rather go back and binge all of the cringe amazing atheist era YouTuber atheism debates. I’d rather watch VenomFangX talk about abortion. Homos get the fucking rope.

>>47424236
Everyone does collabs. Unless Marine did more collabs than streams on her own channel she still streams less than the vast majority of most Holos, including ENs.
I'm not saying Marine isn't valuable as a streamer. Just saying she's not a power streamer by any metric. Same with people like Suisei.

>>47424401
Than****
Markipliar onions*** face

>>47424288
But how fucking long they'll take to fix EN? If it takes a year better drop the branch and give up because the longer they wait the less people will be interested in auditioning. They already delayed for over a year and essentially ignored any girl who sent their forms in 2022. Why would any female candidate even bother with HoloEN when the chances they'll be ignore are increased tenfold not because of the competition but because the company couldn't be less interested in all of them and was more focused in shoving 8 faggots down everyone's throats?

>>47423067
>Outside of Kiara, who is her own bag of shit for reasons besides her work ethic
why? i always see this being said but why? is it because le chicken voice debuff or something else?

>>47424536
The darkest timeline is we get a new gen of homocollabing twitch tier Whores who applied specifically because they wasted all their momentum on 8 faggots….

>>47424640
i honesty don't understand the hopium on this board that en3 will save en as a whole. i'm not saying it'll be this bad, but the chances are that we'll just get another council. it's more likely that there will be another gura than something close to gen3 of jp.

>>47425095
Stop buying into memes, people just want EN3

>>47425095
I watch more council than myth these days so I would see that as a win

>>47425311
99% of myth fans watch more council than myth these days just by availability

>>47424285
We literally have access to the numbers and can see sister.

>>47422234
3 months, AKA 12 weeks:
- Fauna 3.6 streams a week, 12.1 hours a week
- IRyS 2.9 streams a week, 12.6 hours a week
- Bae 4.9 streams a week, 13.7 hours a week
- Mori 3.9 streams a week, 12.5 hours a week

Additionally, going to the twitter, you can find the rest.
- Mumei 2.4 streams a week, 8.2 hours a week
- Kiara 3.8 streams a week, 15.7 hours a week
- Ina 2.3 streams a week, 5.7 hours a week
- Ame 2.8 streams a week, 6.9 hours a week
- Kronii 1.5 streams a week, 4.9 hours a week
- Gura 0.5 streams a week, 1.3 hours a week

In other words, not a SINGLE one of them streams 4 days a week, let alone 6. The average is 2.86 days a week and 9.36 hours per week.

No matter how you cut it, those numbers are just absolutely pathetic.

>>47424285
>Council is actually successful if you ignore the fact a member left in less than a year and sub in the heavily promoted vsinger and only look at the last month when nobody streamed

Great argument, EN3 will do extremely well as long as you add JP Gen3's numbers to theirs too!

>>47425431
Why won't they hire full-time streamers?

>>47424590
The voice is the least of her issues. Her game choice, her hours streamed, her grating personality and how she always tries to be the center of attention / talking over people are just massive turn offs to me.

That said, I think she is one of the hardest working talents in the EN by far both in commitment, desire, and work ethic.

Seems Cover goes too far for the "quality over quantity" meme but their quality is still like shit

>>47416073
600 fucking days that's why I hate when people use the whole ''this isn't nijisanji'' argument to defend the lack of EN3, if you don't want a new GEN that's fine but the wait for EN3 is fucking nothing like trying to rush gens like nijisanji

>>47425565
You can look at the previous charts for council where IRyS wasn't included and you can see that the line barely changes for Council from the current line.
So again I ask.
>Council didn't even come close to their predecessors numbers.
What metric is this using? Subs? Ame has more subs than Miko because of the initial Myth subs blowup. Does this mean Ame is more successful than Miko?

>>47425095
lately it seems like cover is trying to fix EN. more streams, different types of content, a-chan doing english streams.
it would actually not surprise me if staff has been changed already. i cling to my hopium thank you very much

>>47425431
>In other words, not a SINGLE one of them streams 4 days a week
Bae is literally right there. I forgot that a lot of the girls were in Japan earlier this year which was low on streams, so that's my bad since it brings down the overall average. But if you follow them, you can see several of them putting out schedules that consistently have 4-6 streams a week when they're active.

>>47425583
Because they also want them to be able to do idol shit. Make them sing and dance and travel and so on. Although full time streamers could definitely learn to do that or have a history with that. But I do wish they’d focus on hiring some girls who’s main focus is to stream first, with projects being a secondary focus.

>>47425902
>lately it seems like cover is trying to fix EN. more streams, different types of content, a-chan doing english streams.
The only change I've seen is a-chan doing english streams and promoting more HoloEN main channel content. A welcome change but I dunno how much that will do
The rest is just people like Kronii and Mumei coming back from break, which they were going to do anyway.

>>47425687
“Quality over quantity” doesn’t exist anymore after they wasted so much time on subpar faggots. Where’s the quality in Fagon? Or the other ones so unpopular they don’t even get memed on here? Quality is a fucking meme.

>>47426162
Yeah, I'm so lukewarm on Bae that I legit just didn't look at her amount of streams, my bad on that.

I also don't doubt that there are currently a few of them who are streaming 4+ streams a week, but if that is the case it's a change from the literal last 3 months of their streaming, which again, the numbers show as much lower. I also get that Kronii had surgery and she was out because of that too.

Likewise, the numbers will most likely be going back down again shortly as the Connect the World tour will be hitting and therefore the "We need to practice for it" will come back. In other words, just because they've temporarily been doing more doesn't mean they are in any way, shape, or form ACTUALLY going to stick with it. I stick with what I said; they ARE part time streamers, period.

>>47426323

How in the fuck do you mentally justify them being as part time as they are and putting out literally one or two songs of a concert once or twice a year? Are you seriously sitting there trying to go "Yep, they work 30+ hours a week behind the scenes that we just don't see all for those two 5-minute songs we see them perform on stage so it's okay!"?

>>47426612
>Likewise, the numbers will most likely be going back down again shortly as the Connect the World tour will be hitting
Imagine if they had a new Gen that could pick up the slack and stream in their stead.
Too bad it's impossible for Cover to debut new female EN chuubas.

>>47426736
No I’m just trying to think as to why they don’t hire full time streamers. I don’t believe for one second that any of these girls outside of maybe Mori are as busy as they say. I also think most of them are lying a majority of the time as to why they can’t or won’t stream as often as they could, if that helps? In short I also believe that they’re just being lazy Whores that know they can get away with it.

>>47426795
We’ll get 4 more guys to fill up the dead air. Our wish will be granted. A faggot for every time slot!

>>47425431
Considering Kiara was in Japan for the first few months of this year her hours streamed is impressive.

>>47426982
>they’re just being lazy whores that know they can get away with it.
Give em an inch and they'll take a mile. Everyone has enabled this behavior from staff to fans, this entire situation was completely predictable when hiring western whores. They really need to just axe the fucking branch and focus on their domestic audience and market.

>>47421275
My personal rrat is that their vetting process is actually stringent. Maybe it's taking longer than expected to go through apps and come up with a full gen that doesn't have yab machines.
They've done a pretty good job of it up until now, compared to some other vtuber agencies cough.

>>47427178
Almost all of them were. The fact they were in a different country though is a REASON for the lack of streams, but it sure as shit isn't an EXCUSE for the lack of them.

Try and pull the "I'm on vacation but still pay me" at your job, see how well that flies.

>>47422234
I am okay with Suisei's stream time because she went on the First Take and many other stuff.

>>47416192
HoloX only recently barely reached 1M subs as well. I think waiting for 1M subs is just a stupid tactic if true.

>>47427523
Sana probably made them be more demanding in their audition process. There’s also a good chance they’ll never hire a pro artist again.

>>47427941
True, and it's Sana who dragged council anyway. They basically started with a stunted gen of 4 members

>>47427973

I wouldn't be surprised; both Sana and Ina have proven / are proving to be incompatible with actually streaming. If they want to hire professional artists, stick with them as talent mamas.

>>47427973
>Sana probably made them be more demanding in their audition process
I think this is basically confirmed because it was after Sana shit the bed that the new audition requirements were posted here

>>47427973
Looking at Ina and Sana. Cover would be retarded to hire another artist who’s main priority will always be on some gacha or anime shit. Sana was such a bitch she wouldn’t even do drawing streams. Idgaf about any Holo’s secondary job.

>>47425869
>You can look at the previous charts for council where IRyS wasn't included and you can see that the line barely changes for Council from the current line.
It clearly does, council is way below myth for most of this, what kind of schizo cope are you on?

>>47427549
You mean paid leave?

>>47427549
>Try and pull the "I'm on vacation but still pay me" at your job, see how well that flies.
I can do that because I'm irreplaceable, important people jobs arent like wagie jobs, sorry to break this to you

>>47428206
Council is also way below Myth for most of this chart, >>47424285 my main point is that adding IRyS changed nothing about this, you can check the numbers to see they're about the same since IRyS falls around the middle of Council performancewise.
The Myth dive around August 2022 is still present, which just goes to show that the main difference Myth has is the presence of Gura's ridiculous numbers, and without her their numbers rapidly sink to about or sub-council level. Ina also has this effect to a lesser extent.

>>47428485
I'm not talking PTO, I'm talking literal "Yeah, I am just going to go on vacation instead of working because I can and you're still going to pay me. When I decide to actually work is up to me."

>>47427973
>>47427523
EN has always been experimental to see what actually works. They pulled in an artist, a failed idol, a music memetuber, a wannabe youtube voice actor, a rapping wigger, a 4view fps junkie, and an asmr 4view to name most of them.

They basically only picked 4views or people with over 400k subscribers for nearly all of them. Unsurprisingly with holo council when they picked more people with lower subscriber numbers the growth wasn't as good as when they picked the youtuber with more than a million.

>>47427973
You can tell by her model that she was a literal afterthought though.

Honestly I have to give credit to Cover, they probably realized that the vtuber boom is settling a little so churning out new gens is just going to lead to a generation that is a total flop like current Niji gens, which might be good for short term profits but it harms the brand long term. Most corpos don't have that sort of restraint because the soulless investors are always looking to extract as much profit as possible until the well is dry and barren. I think you can reasonably expect at least one more EN generation eventually, but it's going to be heavily curated group of four or five. Working on your talents that are struggling or getting fatigued is a lot better to me than rolling the vtuber gacha over and over hoping for an SSS talent.

>>47417450
Basically if you look at: >>47430217
Unlike nijisanji, holo en was constructed to be mostly made up of people who never played many video games, and in their previous channels/streams didn't play any games. It makes sense why just can't do daily streams of playing games.

I think they just don't like video games bros.

>>47417450
Hololive has the worst permissions autism, it would help if they'd stop that shit at least a bit.

>>47423067
I sure love when my oshi streams only like 10 hours a week so when they play a game I like they never actually finish it and then just move onto a whole new game the next day. Feels great man....

>>47425583
what good will that do? the "full-time" streamers will just not stream full-time once they get used to the life of being a holo. Cover can't threaten to kick them out, cover has no leverage or power they can use to force them to stream once they're in

>>47416073
Schizo rrat i just made up: Hololive EN's concert name, Connect The World is actually a hint of Cover's next goal: combining ID and EN under a worldwide branch to allow hiring outside of those two regions.

>>47431562
It's definitely not because IRyS came up with the name and she's far, far too stupid for any kind of hidden meanings

>>47431562
not happening. ID is doing well and it's global advertising for indonesia.
they are not all nobodies either, no way they'll get lumped together with the ENs

>>47427941
It is literally a single retard who keeps pushing that one million shit.
We'd have gotten ID4 last year if it was true.

>>47416073
not until council gets a million subs

Why would Cover even bother with EN? JP streams get world famous without speaking a lick of English and it is easier to communicate with them.

>>47416073
in 5 months

Council only now has casual outfits. IRyS still doesn't have a casual outfit. For whatever reason after Council debuted more than 18 months ago, they then slow walked everything that would have helped council grow during that early boom period. For comparison even though gura's outfit was abnormally late 9 months after debut, council should have gotten that around april 2021. So we're a year off from where they 'should' be, if cover considered their growth and hype a priority.

>>47416173
The logical assumption is that yagoo is yagay for tempussy and wants magni to grow from 200k subs to 2 million, to satisfy his ego.

>>47421173
>Christ, so they already had all the 3 most successful members ready to debut but they still waited to get 2 more runts. Granted, they're doing better than Flayon but it was absolutely not worth it trading an EN3 for them.
Bettel is an outlier I suppose but he's superior to most members of any branch of holoen right now in terms of superchats.

>>47424640
Unless Cover specifically asks candidates if they're willing to collab with the dudes and discard anyone who has a negative answer I think it's statistically unlikely given how half of the branch barely even throws them a bone and some of them are the current most popular members overall. I do think at least one or 2 will be friendly with them, but all 5 of them would be extremely fishy.

>>47425095
Both JP3 and ID3 helped their respective branches a whole fucking lot back when they debuted, with the former taking a little while before becoming the juggernaut that it is today and the latter having an instant success that translated very fast into the rest of the gen becoming the mos popular in their branch. One of the big problems with EN is lack of streams on key timezones and just more streams won't cut out unless half of them become like Koyori or Kaela and stream for ungodly amounts of time, and while a lot of people would love that to happen it at this point this is less likely than an EN3 having someone just like that. Also with 5 more people it makes it easier to organize decently sized collabs with needing ID to boost the numbers, and also it unlocks new opportunities with the current members who might find new partners to do things with that they couldn't with the current roster. Yeah, there's a chance none of this will happen and it'll stay exactly the same, but it's also completely insane to think things will drastically change if they keep the current number for longer.

>>47427523
That doesn't make any sense when they pushed the auditions for the homos 3 times last year while only ever mentioning the ones for HoloEN 13 months after starting the open auditions. If they're that stringent and couldn't find 5 girls they would obviously shill the auditions as much as they could to find more people like they did with the homos. Just accept that Cover wasn't looking to debut an EN3 anytime soon and hoped the reception for Tempus would be just as a big as any new HoloEN gen.

>>47443535
So one person manages to be a big success when 5 new girls would absolutely be bigger than the then rest of the dudes with the possibility of one or more of the them being bigger than the clown. It's great and all that the dude managed to bring a lot of fat whales but it's was still not worth it to hold his debut to get 2 more fags who barely have any presence.

>>47448808
>So one person manages to be a big success when 5 new girls would absolutely be bigger than the then rest of the dudes with the possibility of one or more of the them being bigger than the clown. It's great and all that the dude managed to bring a lot of fat whales but it's was still not worth it to hold his debut to get 2 more fags who barely have any presence.
Based on his monthly earnings he is out-earning all members of council, there is actually no guarantee a new generation of girls would be better monetarily, only in terms of subs and CCV.

>>47448978
And how well Council is fairing against the rest of the dudes? And how well he's fairing compared to Council after debut? You can't ignore how a new gen will always have their honeymoon period after debut and the clown managed to have a big one for Holostars members, but it doesn't mean that pushing for 8 guys in 6 months was a better decision than debuting 5 more girls around the same time.

>>47448266
EN's problem always comes back to laziness and lack of will to stream. 10 girls but Mori randomly takes vacations, then un-takes them. Gura streamed a bit and will probably go back to ghosting her fanbase. Ina I have no idea where she is. Kronii seems to have good weeks and bad weeks when she's not getting surgery. Amelia tries to make a schedule but then gets tired and dumps it. Mumei has longterm asthma and struggles to stream for long periods.

Without an EN3 they will always be subject to up to half the girls just vanishing 'on vacation' at random times, gimping them.

No one wanted EN3, they wanted starsEN!

https://twitter.com/omegaalpha_en/status/1548472552334376966?s=61&t=6rjoXqhKjrvCs7SKpCk2_w

>>47449073
Honeymoons don't last months.
>Debuting 5 more girls
Literally only works if the girls stream, Council had multiple members go ghost randomly about 2 months in.

Read their IPO, they want more investors before releasing another Hololive Gen

>>47449096
Exactly, and with 2 members pretty much gone for the foreseeable future it makes the lack of streams much more obvious, while JP can absolutely afford having people like Ayame, Aqua and Shion MIA because there's at least a dozen members streaming every single day.

>>47449136
And you still didn't give me the numbers the rest of the faggots have. Again, explain to me why their decision to not debut him with the first 4 just to grab the spic dude and the other homo was better than just making Tempus a 6 man gen and dropping EN3 at the time they dropped the second batch of dudes.

>>47449303
ID4 soon

>>47416192
>meanwhile they released two homo gens since then despite neither having reached 250k subs

>>47450924
Yagoo is a closeted faggot and he would do anything to have more boys to groom and fuck under the Hololive Umbrella. Please understand.

>>47449136
The guy busts his ass spending hours in his prechat everyday to milk his gachis, when he doesn’t they don’t pay up. The girls just passively get SC while actively discouraging or even disabling SC. Mori did some member gift baiting in Kiara’s chat a week ago and got more member gifts in a few minutes than Bettel gets by chatting up his gachis for hours.

>>47426162
> I forgot that a lot of the girls were in Japan earlier this year which was low on streams
New Years to March doesn't feel real to me. All of Myth was in Japan for months and Council besides Kronii were there for a bit, and even she slipped her way in later on. And the Icing on the cake was that we had ID1, Reine, and Zeta in Japan at some point as well.

>>47451371
So the girls don’t care anymore about getting money from fans in that way but Bettel is milking this for all it’s worth atm. Respectable, but I will never stop thinking of the wasted time these two faggot Gen debuts were. I will respect his hustle though.

>>47416073
There is no EN3 becauase all audition waves so far have been full reject, maybe they found someone when they did the reminder that auditions are open but who the fuck knows, if nothing is happening after the concert then they really just cant fucking fi d 4-5 girls at all

>>47431196
>You're not guaranteed results
....that's a problem for every recruiter, scout, HR person in every field since forever.

>>47416073
jesus christ what the fuck

does cover hate ENs? What happened?

>>47416230
Hololive has dead air during EU and US prime time. Nijisanji doesn't.

The lack of EN3 can be easily explained:
>Cover wanted to give the boys a real chance, and releasing EN3 would overshadow them a lot
>The bottleneck of good artists and L2D animators is a big issue, and the main JP branch has priority over the rest
>EN Management clearly fucked up big time and there was a shift of power

And don't forget too that it has been 506 days since HoloX debuted and JP7 is nowhere to be found, the 4th Hololive FES and the new studio were a fucking huge investment for Cover and they probably wanted to have everything ready before bringing in more talents. EN Management doesn't seem capable of doing anything without the approval of the main branch, so I guess JP Cover dragging their feet had a direct impact on EN3 getting internally delayed over and over again.

>>47420250
>Gura
>Buffing others
Man you're retarded

>>47454028
That's a complete retarded cope and if they were that desperate they would do the exact same thing they did with the homos and shill their auditions multiple times. Cover was not interested in debuting an EN3 in 2022 and that's fucking obvious.

>>47457503
>>Cover wanted to give the boys a real chance, and releasing EN3 would overshadow them a lot
Irrelevant, by the 3 months it was obvious they didn't really share much of an audience, with the guys getting a minuscule increase in views when the girls stopped streaming and barely having decent numbers when they were the only ones live and the girls getting straight up nothing.
>>The bottleneck of good artists and L2D animators is a big issue, and the main JP branch has priority over the rest
This is stupid when these things are done months prior to their debuts, not to mention a lot of great western live2D riggers have entered the scene and Cover has used them multiple times in the past. Idol managed to get 5 models that were supervised by the girls themselves in under a year, if Cover can't do something similar they're absurdly incompetent.
>>EN Management clearly fucked up big time and there was a shift of power
The first half is the most likely theory since they probably believed the EN audience would treat Tempus as an EN3, which didn't happen at all and while they're doing better than StarsJP it's not really by much outside of SC and memberships, but then those who are doing well at those metrics are pandering hard to the whales. As for the shift in power, who knows? A-chan doing more shit with EN is definitely suspicious, and the last time that vtweeter faggot as active as at the end of September and he didn't come back for Tempus 2, so maybe this time he's finally gone.
>And don't forget too that it has been 506 days since HoloX debuted and JP7
You absolutely can not compare a branch that has 35 members with one that has 10. HoloJP can wait almost 2 years for a new branch because they're already at a decently healthy sized and rarely, if ever, have times where no one is streaming outside morning hours and even those sometimes have one of the psychos like Flare, Luna or Watame, while EN oftentimes has only 1 person streaming in prime time US.
>EN Management doesn't seem capable of doing anything without the approval of the main branch
And they approved 8 fucking guys in 6 months?

>>47416073
Luxiem killed Cover's enthusiasm for EN3 and now they're pathetically trying to copy NijiEN with two male gens coming out so quickly. Ina's nepo hire graduating and none of Council reaching 1 mil also had something to do with it as well.

>>47460541
And it took Luxiem to lose steam so that StarsEN could even touch them. Ironic.

>>47457346
HoloJP and sometimes ID have more presence in EU prime time than HoloEN.

>>47416073
Honestly, EN needs to prove they deserve another gen because so far, they are just continuing to coast along and make very little effort to do anything outside of their bubble. I mean, if are constantly having to use ID as filler members for events because every is "too busy" or "unavailable".

>>47450924
Homos were always planned to have 8.
Flayon admitted to already being around during the time the og 4 were playing raft back in october.

>>47457503
>EN Management doesn't seem capable of doing anything without the approval of the main branch
Thank fucking god. Just think what would happen if westerns had total control. Glad the japs are around to yank the leash, wish they'd do it more often!

>>47465722
ID was in the exact same situation, with most of ID2 working hard while ID1 was doing their own thing which most of the time amounted to nothing, and they still got ID3 who were an explosive success.

>>47465789
Homos had 6 of them ready when Tempus 1 debuted. They could have done just that since StarsJP1 also had 6 members instead of waiting 6 months to get 2 more guys who pretty much amounted to nothing.

>>47416073
Who needs a new gen now? Genuinely. Who?
Let them do their projects learn nipponese get actually integrated into the culture and reach out.

>>47467097
Look at EN right now and tell me they're fine having 10 members. You won't be able to force them to stream more without any complications and punishing them for not complying will not work and only make a big part of the audience mad at Cover, especially if any of them decides to fuck off because of it, not to mention you won't get a Koyori or Kaela out of the current members because it doesn't fucking work like that. Also what projects? Unless the EN management got completely replaced and they killed the fucker who allowed Gura's first live to be the shortest one in HoloPro's history they won't have any projects green lit.

>>47449303
So they need more investors for a new EN gen but are fine with another ID gen and 2 StarsEN gens in 6 months?

>>47416230
Show a single post where somebody ever said Nijisanji should never again have a gen? Or a post where somebody said Hololive should release a new gen every 3 months? You can't? Then.... SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU BAD FAITH SNEAKY FAGGOT FALSELY DICHOTOMISING FUCK.

>>47416073
No EN3 until at least one Council(rys) member reaches 1M subs

>>47416073
LOS ANGELES

>>47474439
It's the standard post for any discussion about EN3 at this point, and I wonder if the people who keep pushing this shit are nijifags, homobeggars or just retarded fans.

Quality over quantity bros, we don't want HoloEN to become NijiEN.

AHHHHHH GIVE US THE FUCKING ANIME GIRLS COVER

>>47474530
It's over....

>>47474439
>>47476867
Case in point >>47477006

>>47477006
>we don't want HoloEN to become NijiEN.
too late

>>47466704
Hey now, those two extra guys make up almost 1000 whole views if you put ‘em together! For the stars that’s really good! For EN it’s complete shit though! But we’re supposed to view stars as successful as long as they aren’t half as shit as their failure branchmates in JP.

>>47416073
What makes you think HoloEN deserves EN3? Bitches don't fucking stream.

>>47421186
>It was supposed to herald a merge of Hololive and Holostars into one general banner in time for their IPO
Actual peak schizo moment

>>47482095
> HOLOLIVE PRODUCTIONS
> Look everyone! Hololive is more than the girls, and they’re a team under the same banner!
>The Blue Faggot uses the term HoloPro more than anyone else
Yah I can see where people would get the idea that Tempiss was an attempt at unifying EN. This isn’t Japan, and the people running EN are proven retarded. If people are putting any weight into the unity rrat it’s because of how shit HoloEN has pushed their Holopro twitter, changed their banners etc.

>>47482350
Hololive Production was the name of the agency since December of 2019, but you're right that they intensified the push for it with Tempus. Even so I doubt they would ever try this with HoloJP.

>>47479292
They're already on the same level of the "mid-tier" StarsJP members not even a year after the branch was created, and 3 months after the debut of the second gen. Shit's fucking hilarious.

>>47483252
>Even so I doubt they would ever try this with HoloJP.
They won't because EN is testing ground for this.
But not like they didn't do some moves on JP side.
Uproar just like Tempus was attempt to move on from Holostars branding.
Debut overlap ban just before Uproar 3D
New Year Live
All small steps that might be them trying to merge Homos into Hololive.

>>47423067
>>47423649
Not wrong from a worker perspective. For the company they're still bringing in money because people keep paying. They will only get called out if their growth stagnate and they don't generate an appropriate amount of revenue, even in these cases they would probably refrain from doing it because of their image.
>>47424590
>>47425667
Yes, it is. It compounds on top of other things, it's easier to watch a POS with a nice voice than one that sounds like a chicken. Vei is literally carried by her voice as one example.
>>47423995
There's no large group integration in Nijisanji, I think this has been true since the second wave of SEEDs. A debut have their douki and the friends they make while in there, unless they're like Lulu and can fend off mostly by themselves. There's some merit to this but it's hard to argue about it in this board.

>>47416073
They were supposed to debut with the homos but dropped out in incubation.

>>47488693
Yeah and none of this worked out. Only Rio managed to get "good" numbers on his 3D debut and he still lost to Roberu's by 2k viewers with everyone overlapping with him, while the other 3 all had sub 10k for a 3D debut. Tempus 2 debuts also overlapped with the early after-noon in Japan and forced a bunch of HoloJP members to delay their streams. Everything they did to pump up the Stars numbers only resulted in more people mad about their existence and barely helped them so hopefully these attempts were all short lived and they give up doing this, especially after Astel and Roberu have shown that the best way for them to grow is to just ignore the Holo bubble and reach out (or leech, if you prefer) indies or vtubers from other agencies.

>>47420250
She's taken a hiatus for a month and returned with a Minecraft stream in the JP server just when Council debuted. If anything she syphoned viewers to her kouhais.

>>47416073
No new Gen until you guys save Tempus's shit performance.

>>47490507
Fine I'll apply to tempiss.

>>47443292
Yagoo failed hard. Male Idols are in demand. Flesh Tubers are in demand even Nijisanji got some top bro livers. Holostars should have a bigger foot in the market.

>>47490626
I don't know. Omega was taking all the blame but for some reason I can see Yagoo's hand behind all this. Specially with his interaction with Magni prior and during debut.

>>47417643
Who from Council is near to this?

>>47490626
Luxiem is also dropping down in metrics outside of sc/membership because of their whales, but Holostars failed because they weren't the first ones twice and Cover never managed to get someone that could explode in popularity.

>>47490990
If it's CouncilRyS then IRyS is the closest one, if it's just Council then Kronii but Mumei is beating her in subs growth and will pass her soon.

>>47490853
Yagoo is too busy working on HoloEarth. The most I can see him doing is just being more enthusiastic about StarsEN because it might be seen a less creepy than with the girls.