/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

10k-ish is probably the cap given the shitty timeslot and guerilla nature of the stream, plus Kiara overlap in a half hour.

I will never understand how people watch Kronii when she sounds like she doesn't want to be there 24/7. Shit's a complete buzzkill.

FUCKING SLAAAAAVEES GET YOUR ASS BACK HERE!

>>46411778
same, it's mostly the tits I think

>>46410107
I think there should be a metric where we divide hours watched and stream time to get the average hours watched. Is that a reliable metric to see the average performance?

>>46411778
By saying this you are admitting you wouldn't fuck a dead fish, meaning you are a faggot.

jewchuuba at 1.6k despite hitting 200k, looks like shorts audience is being filtered

so the April Fools joke is she return today instead of next week?

JP7 on the 27th.

>>46411837
I never left daddy~

>>46411778
i love women who doesn't want to be around me :3

>>46411879
1.6k is very high for jewcorp. might even be their highest non debut

>>46411778
big tits model

kinda new to the numbersshilling. for a corpo chuuba what is the standard for good numbers? what is good for a corpo male? indie girl? ENchuubas? niji vs holo? like seriously, what are the standards?

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *
>56,531: Toya (Nijisanji)
>54,244: Suisei (Hololive)
>48,577: Ririmu (Nijisanji)
>46,785: Fubuki (Hololive)
>39,849: Miko (Hololive)
>39,541: Kanata (Hololive)
>31,720: Sakuyui (Nijisanji)
>29,486: Yorumi (Nijisanji)
>27,514: Marine (Hololive)
>26,960: Fubuki (Hololive)
>26,727: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>26,561: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>26,308: Pekora (Hololive)
>24,456: Subaru (Hololive)
>20,498: Korone (Hololive)
>19,256: Subaru (Hololive)
>18,677: Chiroru (Indie)
>17,448: Ui (Indie)
>17,034: Furen (Nijisanji)
>15,489: Koyori (Hololive)
>14,851: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>14,741: Gaku (Nijisanji)
>14,148: Lui (Hololive)
>13,594: Noel (Hololive)
>13,566: Towa (Hololive)
>13,523: Okayu (Hololive)
>13,035: Watame (Hololive)
>12,999: Nene (Hololive)
>12,022: Nerumero (Indie)
>11,947: Met (VSPO)
>11,892: Iroha (Hololive)
>11,607: Towa (Hololive)
>11,117: Iroha (Hololive)
>11,113: Koyori (Hololive)
>11,075: Kobo (Hololive)
>10,776: Lauren (Nijisanji)
>10,762: Ritsuki (Nijisanji)
>10,729: Bae (Hololive)

>>46411930
it was around 2.4k yesterday iirc

what we need

I missed the arc but where does merchanon get his numbers from?

>>46411973
>big tits model
That didn't help sana.

>>46412024
The site itself.

>>46411879
200k times twenty is 4 million.
1.2k times twenty is 24k.
By your logic, Gura getting 24k CCV makes her a shitter as well. Also, you’re trying to mock a small corpo chuuba for being a 4view, do you even hear yourself?

>>46411983
Depends if JP, EN, or ID.

>>46411778
People thought that she's just like that all the time, so she was like depressed gfe. And then homo collabs happened...

>>46412024
idk Mr. Intern
you glow really brightly

>>46412055
Is that a new thing? Never knew they posted numbers

>>46412003
wasnt paying attention yday but fair. 1.6k is still easily over twice the ccv she got pre shorts and also over twice her genmates. wouldnt call it filtered quite yet when the 2.4k was a celebration stream

>>46411902
FUCCK YOUUU!

>>46412024
There was some bug in the website’s programming and you could find the figures through inspect element or something. Anycolor patched it already.

>>46411994
>sui slip
and its funny when niji always win if pekora not streaming

today is a nji win*!
(*)clearly botted by the end of the stream

Did people already talk about Ina going back to Japan soon?

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

>4/1 DAILY TALLY
10,729: Baelz (Hololive)
7,824: Luca (Nijisanji)
7,156: Kiara (Hololive)
5,226: Maria (Nijisanji)


>EN GOLDS FOR APRIL 2023
1) Baelz (Hololive) - 10,729 - Unarchived Karaoke

>PER COMPANY
1x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
1x: Baelz

>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
5p: Baelz
3p: Luca
1p: Kiara

>>46412064
That argument doesn't hold because she got most of those subscribers in the last month or so, you'd think they'd be more engaged.

>>46412187
yep anon she literally had a members post about it

>>46412200
Lucucks...

>>46412064
>IRyS 5k cripple gold
Fuck yeah show those Nijiniggers who's boss!
>Jewcorp over 1k
JFC what a fucking loser am I right guys?

>>46412200
>2023 EN GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
62x: Hololive
27x: Nijisanji
2x: Holostars

>PER STREAMER
9x: Mori
8x: IRyS
7x: Amelia, Baelz
6x: Vox, Mumei, Fauna, Ina, Gura
3x: Mysta, Pomu, Kiara, Kronii, Shu
2x: Selen
1x: Ike, Flayon, Alban, Elira, Luxiem, Finana, Millie, Luca, Regis, Enna, Rosemi, Hololive English, Ren

>2023 POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
76p: Fauna
65p: IRyS
60p: Baelz
59p: Ina
58p: Mumei
57: Mori
53p: Vox, Amelia
40p: Mysta
32p: Kiara
30p: Gura
29p: Luca
22p: Kronii
18p: Selen
17p: Shu
16p: Pomu
11p: Uki
10p: Axel
9p: Millie, Enna, Ike
8p: Finana
7p: Regis
6p: Elira, Rosemi, Ren
5p: Flayon, Alban, Luxiem, Hololive English
4p: Vesper, Fulgur
3p: Sonny, Hakka, Magni
1p: Meloco, Shinri, Gavis, Maria, Pippa, Nina

>>46412220
anon, shorts audience's conversion to stream is really low. They're good for increasing mindshare but it's going to be a massive challenge for them to stay and watch your main content.

Never forget what sisters did to Fungus' stream.
/NijiEN/ planned this. Here is one of their posts immediately after the suspicious drop >>46339740

>Kronii guerilla karaoke way outside her timeslot could very well mog Bae's 3D karaoke yesterday that had a frame up for hours.
Really hard to lose mindshare once you have it apparently, homo collabs or not.

>>46412100
is it though when we have m*les from small corpos that can easily mog that number?<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>46412100
well this is gimmick April fools stream
>>46412064
yesterday was pippa vs this girl
objectively speaking pippa yields more off her 200k than this girl
i am not mocking anyone

>>46412220
It's an audience she got off shorts, getting engagement from that type of subscriber is extremely difficult. Don't expect her to incline to Pippa level overnight, these quick sub inclines have happened before and the actual viewers subside fairly quickly. It's still better than nothing but it's not a magic bullet.

jesus why is she so bad?

>>46412291
I agree, but I'm not the one who tried to make some shitty comparison between the jewuuba's CCV and Gura's.

>>46411424
She has a hard time getting new fans due to her hours and being a bit outside of the box since she doesn't do anything with first army. March was good to her and she has picked up a bit though.

>>46411983
>what is the standard for good numbers
Comparatively of course, both to other chuubas of their kind as well as their own past selves, Yoshika getting 2k on karaoke would be great number but Pekora getting 2k would make people think of foul play

>>46411690
is she aiming at Gundou's head?

>>46412064
Jew shills here to defend Rin. It’s funny you chose gura over kiara who has a million and caps at 7-8k. Almost as if that same math equation doesn’t track for others.

>Kronii's completely guerilla karaoke is at almost 9k after just 15 minutes
>On track to reach around 13-15k
So it's not the timeslot, it's the streamers and / or their content choices after all? Clearly there are EU VTubers audience in this timeslot<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>46412321
no one cares about bae

>>46412321
So homo collabs mean nothing? No way? What about bae? Kek

>>46412317
That does kind of look like a classic botting jump, but to what effect? Why bot a random 2k stream?

>>46412321
Which is why Mumei and Kronii will always be Council's top dogs

>>46412409
This thread does not operate like that at all.

>>46412392

>>46412321
Don’t look at kronii’s merch sales.

>>46412291
I scrolled past a short with a few million views but the videos on that channel only have a few hundred views. The conversion is really low. Obiously people that watch "shorts" are not into long form content

nevermind jewba actually got 2k and it just dropped to 1.8k what the fuck

>>46412424
>EU VTubers audience

>>46412460
Nijifags should stop comparing themselves to holos then<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>46412321
Not to mention she's only a bit better than Fauna and Ame. Life isn't fair.

>>46411690
My batter can hit your balls.

>>46412245
Are you pretending to not see why getting the gold is praised

https://youtu.be/Yt_xLbfjtcI
Peak story arc

>>46412321
Isn't it also essentially a comeback stream too?

Kiara's just fucked man. Timeslots aren't her problem.

>>46412277
>the ones with the most golds are the runts

>>46412422
by your calculation rin is even more impressive. 200k 2k should equate to kiara getting 15k

>>46412291
>shorts conversion is really low
agreed but maybe she should move to tiktok. loads of smaller chuubas and homos outview her simply due to tiktokfags being more engaged

>>46412424
It's the weekend numbnuts

>>46412321
Audience conversion rate is pretty low though

>>46412460
Anyone with 2 braincells does. Are you just exclusively reading shitposts?

>>46412277
>76p: Fauna
>65p: IRyS
>60p: Baelz
COUNCILRyS CHADS!!!!! WE ARE WINNING!!!

>>46411690
Kys baseborefag no one watches your sport

>>46411778
9 months ago it was depression now its a job after she unmasked the community that grew under her.

>>46412498
Who are watching Kronii, then? She doesn't have the Chink audience buff for this timeslot. Are all those 10k+ just late night JP + SEAfags?
(and even in that case, why don't they watch Kiara?)

>>46412578
tiktok doesn't pay. It doesn't really matter how much views she gets and it'll be even harder for them to follow her to youtube.

>>46412220
>>46412291
>>46412341
Watame switch format from shorts to videos last year. She basically said that short viewers don't seem to watch anything else.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>46412424
It is a weekend so people that usually have jobs and schooling in the Western hemisphere will be able to catch these streams which are in the morning for them.

>10K GETTO MOTHERFUCKERS

>>46412650
It’s the weekend. NA are awake and not at work.

>>46412650
>anon doesn't realize its a saturday so NA can easily watch
baaaka

Easy fucking 10k
EN first army is back baby

Wtf is kronii's problem? She could streamed 2hrs before mori and given her a fat funnel but no lets stream 30mins before kiara and cuck her numbers for no reason

What will chicken overlap do to clock's numerals?

>>46412650
>why don't they watch Kiara?
Why did you feel the necessity to ask this question?

wtf when did they add a 4chan bot and why are people actually engaging with it?

>>46412650
Japanese are, going through her participents in chat you see a lot of kronies who just wait all day for Kronii then a wave of kanji.

>>46412650
I can't speak to the existence or nonexistence of the Euro audience, but it's Saturday in NA so that probably means more available watchers there.

>>46412538
I'm having a really hard time following all of the story arcs in the current Minecraft server.

Just Pekora Tower and the NePoLaBo secret Society feel really well covered, but that's mostly by just 1 clipper each.

>>46412549
I think a lot of people have watched her or seen her in collabs at one time or another and simply decided they don't want to watch her. I don't really know what she could do at this point other than the oft suggested and ignored "drop the chicken voice" or not stream JRPGs. It was a little concerning seeing Playboard on her homepage since the only thing she could really be using that for is checking out how much other people get in SCs.

>>46411983
Depends on what you're looking to do with the numbers.
Chuubas can survive on 100CCV if at least 20% of them are whales that donate regularly.
For the purposes of this thread, 10k is usually considered a "good" stream due to being in the tally.
This goes down to 5k for the cripple tally (EN/ID etc., all the non JPs).

> Corpo male
> Indie girl
> Niji vs Holo
These differ VASTLY between JP and EN chuubas, no straight comparison. Just lurk for a week or so, check the tallies, vrabi etc. and you'll get the general feel for it.
If you ask genuine questions without shitting on anyone, you'll usually get an answer from some anon about anything.
If you shit on someone while asking the question, it'll be a 50:50, sometimes you'll just get called retarded, but if you piss someone off in the right way you might get dunked on with the data that answers your question.
> EN chuubas
See above : 5k is considered "good" for this thread, but 1k is fine to have a comfortable life. 100 viewers are enough to survive off streaming.

seriously jewba numbers just went from
i didn't see any raids 1.6k to 2k to 1.5k

>>46412737
https://youtu.be/0i4VBhm81UU?t=176
What did you expect?

>>46412424
Its weekend + No LEC today so I'm watching Kronii

>>46412650
It's the weekend in America lol.

>>46412774
They are real posts.

>>46412810
if she was interested in SCs and members she would be using hololyzer

>>46412756
Literally nothing. Maybe slow her incline an imperceptible amount.

>>46411879
She had around 600 CCV before the shorts boom. So yeah gaining 150k shorts subs translated into a 1k CCV boost (at least temporarily till they find their new toy)

>>46412460
This thread has a shitposting population that's at least 30% during any time of day.
If you want to understand numbers, lurk for a while and figure out how to separate shitposters and regulars.

>>46412810
Could be looking for up and coming indies to groom as well.

>>46412806
You missed out on Gura Okayu arc

>>46412806
Sora's guild touches on a number of the smaller ones. Watame also also been tormenting Subaru with skull paintings everywhere.

SUCK ON THIS CLOCK DIDDIES

Haha, it's Pek*.

Anyone catch her recent peak?

>>46412883
huh?

>>46412737
Kronii might just be the last person who'd be aware of such concepts as a funnel, maybe even overlap.

Watching Chelsea and Kronii feels good lads

>>46412737
BASED. FUCK NIJIWHORE

>>46412894
For her own. For other people Playboard is a quick way to see what any vtuber got for an individual stream.

>>46412650
Well, it's a saturday in NA, so everyone who runs a normal schedule and is free basically.
Baka.

>>46412929
This thread is 10% number and 50% shitposters and 40% tribal shitflinging. Seriously less than 10% of the posters look at any of these numbers objectively without trying to attack others or use them in some agenda.

>>46412774

>>46412334
Pippa is a massive outlier. Comparing her with other small corpo chuubas is disingenuous because she’s on a completely different level. Also, Pippa inclined before she started making lots of shorts, so that’s another huge factor. I like Pippa (even though she’s not my favorite Phase member), but using her to compare other small corpo chuubas is unnecessarily provocative. Also, assuming you’re the anon I replied to, you didn’t even mention Pippa.
>>46412422
I’m not trying to say Rin’s sub to ccv ratio is amazing or anything, just that it’s not this ridiculously bad number. Kiara’s numbers are like that because she consistently delivers what her fans want. That’s a compliment to her, but it’s very different from someone who’s been doing this for less than five months and only got those new subscribers very recently.

>>46412474
I think it's gonna be an entirely different thing if holos like Marine or Gura starts spamming shorts tho. For example if one anon's introduction to Hololive starts with short content, the conversion might be similar to the jewcorp but if another anon already knew about Hololive but choose to watch another agencies and got recommended to Hololive shorts, I think the conversion might be better there.
>>46412578
Fuck no. Tiktok's RPM is absolutely terrible and it doesn't convert to the actual data that matters (youtube subscribers and potential stream watchers). Also the pay for youtube shorts is significantly better compared to that chink spyware.

>>46412810
It's mostly the games. She was doing better playing GTA than she normally does. But all she wants to do is play Atelier,fire emblem, zelda, and now metroid.
It's not fun, she could play more interesting open world RPG like cyberpunk, shadows of mordor, witcher, hell even hogwarts if she wanted to bait in more new viewers. But she doesn't do it so no one outside of the most obsessed KFP wants to watch every video.

>>46412810
IRyS had playboard in her top sites on her browser leak as well

>>46412774
Check the date.

>>46412810
Why would she use it if she can use hololyzer? And Kiara uses hololyzer.
She probably wanted to see her SC in euros. Or she wanted to see picrel.

>>46413086
maybe everyone in EN have<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

Fat clock tits

>>46413017
>Well, it's a saturday in NA
It's fucking Sunday can people hear not tell time anymore.

>>46413113
Yea, everyone in Hololive should be using Hololyzer for SC reading/tracking, because youtube's tools are actually pathetic since you lose SCs all the time.

>>46412658
>tiktok doesn’t pay
wrong, they have a creator’s program. multiple creators have gotten mansions due to them. better than cucktube who you still need patreon, marshmellow, and streamelements to fund your meals

>it is hard to transfer the viewership
wrong again. many music artists get viral songs and the success transfers easily to spotify. why not chuubas? look at plave. a month ago they were lucky to hit 500 viewers but with the viral videos on tiktok made their streams to be 5k. sure it is not a lot, but they have less subs than jewchuuba. if jewchuuba posts her shorts to the tok, she can double her audience. even 1% viewers going to her after a 1M video on tiktok increases her viewership by a lot.

>>46413086
IRyS was recommended to use it by her chat since they said it's better than socialblade to show subscribers for her endurance streams

>>46413192
Why would you just up and admit to being a SEAfag like this?

>>46413131
no, you get cunny

>>46411879
she's switching to an unarchived karaoke now, she's really trying to milk her newfound audience

>>46412538
Speaking of lie detector, Sora, Iofi, Ollie and Miko did a thing today
https://youtu.be/jR2vs6hLOKc?t=6399

>>46413192
You fucking triple-giga retard. IN NA.
IN
NORTH AMERICA.
IT IS CURRENTLY 11AM-2PM ACROSS MOST OF NORTH AMERICA YOU TIME-CHALLENGED GIGA-RETARD.

>>46413192
Timetravel anon?????

>>46413086
Probably numberfagging her SCs vs Fauna.

>>46413192
>t. SEAnig

>>46412291
>>46412578
shorts viewers AND tiktok viewers have broken attention spans, they lose interest in things extremely fast. i don't see rin keeping this up for the long-term. also tiktok viewers are literal children, why would you want that audience

>>46413257
Wow I didn't know a tiktok intern is in this thread

>>46413192
LOL LMAO EVEN

>>46413077
I watch Kiara sometimes, but I can definitely see why she'd turn a lot of people off. The other day she was playing Metroid and spent a ton of time whining about the game and malding about dying a few times, and not in a cute way either. She could embrace the suffering like Noel or Kanata but she just comes off as bitchy most of the time, it's a personality issue that won't be solved regardless of whether or not she changes her voice.

>>46413314
Anon’s a SEAshart. How else do you explain it being Sunday for them and also not having the reading comprehension to understand “in NA”?

>>46413257
just focus on your indictment, Shou Zi. Fuck off nobody likes your CCP spyware

>>46413257
>5k
Nigga what.

>>46413042
>you didn’t even mention Pippa.
it should be obvious why brought up rin in the first place

So does this prove once and for all that EU hours = bad is a Myth?

>>46411983
Standard for those that are small is passing 1k and staying above it. If you’re in Holo or Niji it goes up to 5k on the EN side 10k on JP. Then you get to the main characters like Pekora Kuzuha Toya Miko anyone at that level, it’s like 15 altogether, anything below 20k is failure below 25 is underperforming and then anything above 30k holds a chance at gold. SC are occasionally checked, merch is usually checked mainly for shitting on en members not named gura. There are charts for median/average ccv, someone checks vods and there are graphs with trend lines of different branches. If you want to make your own graph with random metrics go ahead. Everything falling outside of these is probably shitposting.

>>46413192
Retard GOLD

>>46413301
with the whole guild thing, is Sora now part of the holobox?

>>46413614
>now

>>46413580
Impossible to say, it's rare to have a Kronii unarchived karaoke to begin with, but I will say that Kiara is basically the worst person to try and figure out if there's a viable audience in this timeslot for due to her inconsistency in STARTING in this timeslot and her dogwater content choices.

>>46413599
How many NijiENs can even get above 5k anymore?

>new tempus debuts
numbers?

>>46413580
This is literally her return stream

>>46413546
Based Kronii powergapping all those Nijishitters.

>>46413688
sub 5k

>>46413546
It's unironically not fair

>>46413580
Ina got 9k with an unnanounced stream a couple weeks ago while being overlapped by I think Kiara or Mori.
Think JP and EU of this time just hate Kiara and Mori.

>>46413674
they never were able to in the first place

>>46413042
Gura’s first 5 months was 2 million subscribers near 40k average to a 20k+ average

>>46413015
There's some of us who are here just to get /news/ and stay up to date about general industry related happenings and yabs.
We just shitpost in our spare time when nothing major is happening.

>>46413546
the time warden asserts her dominance...kino

>>46413257
Don't care, I want jewcorp to crash and burn because what they want is total destruction of VTubing as a whole. The CEJew "wanted to bring VTubers to Israel" and failed miserably at that (If it wasn't a ploy to get funding from the usual sources) Then he pivots towards the English speaking side and spares no expenses for them with AD spam and even claiming that other Corpo tubers are coming to them for help. (Subtly Implying someone like Gura is talking to them) I wouldn't doubt that Aviel is making these girls mention Gura just for the SEO optimization. I will not stand for jewish tricks ever.

>>46413706
-return return-, she did a random fucking return stream at 1AM PST where she let everyone know what the fuck was going on post surgery. She sounds perfectly normal today though, so she's definitely healed up well enough.

>>46413580
this is a return stream + unarchived karaoke it could have reached 20k in her normal time

>>46413546
It is insane to me that there are still this many people that care about Kronii and are willing to watch her, especially at this hour.

>>46412960
Saw Watame install those paintings and that's about it, where there any follow-ups.

>>46412959
Was there more than just that 1 stream?

she's gonna mog all Nijigirls soon then holoEN

>>46413580
They're not great, but I think we've been conditioned to think they're a desolate hellscape simply because Kiara and a handful of Nijis and Vesper are the only ones that stream there. If any of those people streamed at like 8 PM EST their numbers would still be kind of ass.

>>46413580
There is no EU audience, this is NA

>>46413580
It's an unarchive karaoke, return stream, first stream after fes buff.
15k should be the minimum

>>46413048 (me)
also receipt >>46412578

>>46412975
Blues keep losing.

>>46413813
filian reached 1M, will she reach it too

>>46413243
Her average video view’s dropped it used to be over 120k. Maybe they should ask fans to comment more and share like other youtubers

>>46413813
Nice shitpost larpe

It's morning west coast and just after lunch east coast but yeah it's definitely eu hours on a Saturday guys

>>46413804
I don't care about Kronii and I'm watching her right now.

>>46413813
>le infinite growth

>>46413860
For anyone believing that tiktokers make any sort of money, I have some great snake oil you should try out.

>>46412584
>Audience conversion rate is pretty low though
She replaced core fans with tourists.

>>46413919
Wow, the absolute fucking state of Nijisanji.

>>46413599
what about ID and KR? are they too insignificant to tally? and name one nijiEN that can even lick 5k

>>46413919
Dogshit google translate

>>46413839
Meanwhile Bae’s unarchived karaoke with 3D buff, celebration buff and HoloFes buff only hit 10k.

>>46413839
Eh it was with just 10 min notice. That’s a big hit

>>46413742
As they should.

>>46413919
草 bullying HomoJP because they assume he's a fan

>>46413301
I'm honestly glad EN didn't join the MC server, because they would have ruined it

>>46411983
For Holo EN girls anything over 5k is good over 10k is great. For EN Stars anything over 2k is good. For Niji EN girls anything over 2k is good. For Luxiem anything over 5k is good. For any of the other Niji EN males anything over 3k is good. For indies anything over 500 is good, over 1K is great. For Vshojo over 5k is good, 10k is great. Twitch indies anything over 2k is good anything over 5k is great. Japan is a whole different scale and much more complex.

>>46413953
But why?

>>46413813
1 billion subs soon!

>>46413580
There's no fucking streams at these hours to make any sort of assumption at these hours, outside of rare streams that usually have bunch of big factors attached to them there's noone noteworthy at them

>>46413919
I fucking hate nijiniggers. Gan-chan doesn't deserve this.

>>46414075
She's singing.

Kronii...
she sang that she loves cock wtf.... why is she like this?

You know, I think Kronii's casual outfit is definitely superior to Fauna's after all
Sorry Fauna

>>46414020
How about comparing their birthday merch sales now ?

>>46414050
Fauna's tree is ugly but it's not THAT bad

I’ll kneel if Kronii gets pass 15k

>>46413257
You are actually dumb tiktok makes them famous and sponsors give them money. Tiktok payout is less than youtube shorts rn and that only gives 2000 for 200 million views. Exceptions don’t make the rule it working for one person doesn’t mean it works for everyone. All her genmates make shorts and they don’t even have a tenth of the growth<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>46413827
We actually already saw this with Kiara when she was in Japan, she streamed in NA times and her numbers were just as bad if not worse.

>>46414161
It's because of the neck. It's too massive.

>>46413813
She will never beat Pomu's sub growth.

>>46413919
Is that some Nijis clowning on a Holostar?

>>46413813
GURA KILLER

>>46413919
>55 (you)'s
HOLY SHIT

>>46414161
Yeah i love how it goes so well with Vesper's, it's like they are made for each other

>>46414170
Hey, it's a work in progress!
She should also honestly do a physical mockup of the thing in clay or something, get an idea of how to sculpt that shit 'cause right now she's winging it and it's gonna end up superwack.

>>46413813
Shades of the Niji infinite growth from last year.

>>46413941
It's all Euros watching they're just too poor to donate.

>>46413048
If gura actually starts doing shorts she would be too powerful

>>46414179
We've already stated it. It's all because of Gura. Honest to gods, I HATE EN management for not allowing Gura to just get some shitposty shorts out there early, because now that space has been monopolized by these goddamn leeches.

>>46414284
Yeah, let me just donate to someone I can watch 1% of the time.

>>46414218
Thank you. Now we wait for the curse to do its work.

Take me home country roads Kronii did not bleed

>>46414284
I just noticed that I rarely see Euro SC in Kiara stream. But I am seeing them in Kronii's karaoke. Do EU just hate Kiara?

>>46413941
Yeah man, just look at her massive EU gachi audience she built through over a year of consistent streaming at these hours!

https://twitter.com/nanashimumei_en/status/1642229347405926400

>>46413804
For a 1 stream per month event these are bad numbers

>>46414439
guerilla unarchived karaoke

>>46414404
Do you hate yourself?

>>46414439
>Kronii returns with karaoke
>Moom is soon
CounciIRyS is back baby

>>46414396
Kiara has built her box that has no effect on holoEN anymore

>>46413580
It has always been a KFP cope.

>>46414439
Very funny Mooms.

>>46414439
Nice jork, owl.

>>46412549
>Kiara's just fucked man. Timeslots aren't her problem.
She made her brand be a bad voice, bad stream choices and an almost desperate need for validation. She can change things up all she wants but it's going to take a year or two and a couple of viral moments to wash the stink of her old self away. Same reason it's going to take a while for Kronii to completely tarnish her brand after the shit that happened last year. Well, come to think of it, she kind of did already since she went from #2 in HoloEN to hanging around Ame-level.

On a scale of 1 to Vox canceling his ASMR because his bots died, how much is Kiara seething right now?

>>46414267
t.fauna

>lets samefags so my post doesn't get drowned and ignored

>>46414161
It's the tits, Fauna's tits are not accentuated enough in her casual outfit

>>46414396
Ah yes, the classic stagnating for 5min before the sudden surge out of nowhere...

>>46414404
The biggest lie Kiara ever told is saying that she streams at EU hours, good chunk of the time it's a lie, just because her stream rolls over to these hours doesn't mean people are going to jump into two hours old stream after coming home<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>46414543
refreshing playboard 20 times as we speak

>>46414543
Desperately messaging Kronii on Discord to redirect to her when she finishes the karaoke.

>>46414439
That’s at least semi-serious. Probably not streaming today, but Monday would be the two-week mark. Also, she could possibly set up another Mumei Radio stream if she’s not actually returning soon.

>>46413753
That’s because she’s in Myth, and Myth was the first ever group of EN vtubers anyone took seriously. Everyone who isn’t in Myth is never going to match those numbers and that sub to ccv ratio unless a second EN boom happens that’s even bigger than the first. And even if that happens, it’s much more likely to involve more than one corpo nowadays.
Yes, of course I’m a small corpo enjoyer and I like Idol. But I’m more than willing to admit that Idol is not HoloEN, and especially not HoloEN right after Myth’s debut.

>>46414530
Kiara would need an entire personality change to incline, that isn't happening even if she dropped the voice.

>>46412975
>losing to a team above them in the table
expected for a mid-table club
arsenalcahds we can't stop winning

>>46413919
ABSOLUTE
FUCKING
STATE
OF
NIJINIGGERS
NOT EVEN EN BTW

>>46414703
Man, I still can't get over Brentford is doing that well.

3k doryaaa!

>>46413919
Imaging if one of the Hologirls did this to a Niji. Niji fans would throw the biggest shitfit imaginable.

>>46412573
Yea and eien getting 200+ccv with less than 20k subs is more impressive my point is it doesn’t matter. First 6 months gura had 3 million subscribers 40k average before the change 20k average after. 2 years later she can still pull a 20k average and is barreling towards 5mil. Why are you comparing Rin now to them approaching their third year. You don’t even know if she’ll keep this up a month from now let alone a year. Ask around about Salome the new fastest vtuber to 1 million

>>46414783
>12.5k vs 3.1k
The power gap is real.

Damn Kronii just mogged Fauna's latest karaoke, and during EU hours of all things

>>46413919
Context?
Also, Hal wanted this tournament to be all fun and games. His dream is dead if fun is not allowed anymore.

>>46414267
Fauna needs to play Minecraft more than just once a week, by the time that giant tree starts looking decent everyone might have stopped playing Minecraft again.

the fuck with this samefags.

>>46414880
announced 10 minutes ahead of time by the way

>>46414901
Yeah at the rate she's going it might legitimately take a year

Damn, Kronii does her monthly stream and suddenly clockfags run to /#/.

13k DORYAAA

>>46414880
returning karaoke vs normal karaoke

>>46414783
Cover is testing this timezone huh? holoEU3 soon.

>>46414983
GODnies run this thread, don't forget that

>>46415033
Anon... It's a weekend.

>>46412650
It’s the afternoon on a Saturday most people don’t have work. This is also her first karaoke after fes maybe people wanted more

>>46413770
Easy on the /pol/posting, retard. Your jewhate is frying your brain. Idol has this much money to spend because Israel and America are two of the only countries that have lots of loaded VCs and big tech scenes, and good luck getting burger VCs to pay up for anime girl streamers.
Also, Riro speaks Spanish, and Idol has said they want to keep branching into new languages. ES is almost certainly going to be one of those future branches.
Going off that, it’s much more likely that they’re talking about WACTOR than HoloEN. Not every dig against bad corpos is targeted at HoloEN, because everyone knows Cover is one of the better corpos out there.

>>46414983
You'll get used to it, can't wait for her next sub 3k sc reading

>>46414983
>run
just 3 are, the other ones are larping

>>46413919
Post the replies

>>46414983
SUCK ON EM

>>46414783
Hey, if Kiara is still BTFOing nijis even with a 1.5-2k gap, all is good.

>>46415017
guerilla karaoke vs long waiting room karaoke

>>46415035
Clockcucks don't even run their own thread.

>>46413919
Some Nijis are nasty people. It's no wonder their fans are so horrible.

>>46415064
I mean it's not like any EN ever streams during this timeslot during the weekend anyway.

>>46414880
Its the difference between the virgin debuff uwu voice Fauna and the chad ara ara onee-san voice Kronii

>>46415035
I won't

>>46415035
>GODnies run this thread, don't forget that
You guys should be buying her merch

>>46414694
Nah, Kiara has quite literally and permanently fucked her numbers over.

>>46413919
As excepted of nijis

>>46413674
It’s only luxiem and even thats not guaranteed anymore. Some girls can do it with single pov collabs with guys and karaokes

>>46413827

>>46415035
>>46249242

>>46413919
https://youtu.be/APKFOO1uoTQ?t=6275
> who is this "Hizaki Gamma"? - Areru
> is he a person from VSaikyou?
> Ratna Petit types "hizaki gamma san, who are you" into chat
> Areru says "if it's a listener, please leave", and types the same into chat
https://youtu.be/APKFOO1uoTQ?t=6298
> Gamma-kun is a VTuber - white hair dude clarifies
> Everyone goes あ。。。 and え。。。
> Everyone in the lobby leaves, topic successfully changed<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>46415264
shut up bot

>>46413919
Kinda sad

wtf kek
>>46409110

>>46415184
That's like saying AZKi is forever fucked
It's perfectly possible for her to incline, the problem is that she doesn't want to change

>>46414004
Kaela and Kobo only ones worth mentioning there was large drop for the rest sometime last year that good portion drop below 1000 now. Zeta doesn’t break 3k and KR doesn’t reach 1k. Luxiem can still reach 5k inconsistently

>>46414890
they saw Gamma(holostars) and didnt knew who he was, so they considered that he was a viewer and asked for him to be kicked

>>46415264
fucking nijinegros, they could've at least looked it up first before spouting stupid shit

>>46414890
Niji livers can't even remember the name of other participant/other vtuber
assuming that Gamma is a viewer, they told them to leave the lobby

>>46414004
We already know SEA barely contributes money-wise according to yagoo

>>46415093
>バチクソ失礼で草
>可哀想すぎて草
>可哀想
>失礼過ぎて草
>めっちゃ失礼で草
>やばすぎて草

>>46415423
Fanbase reflects the streamers.

>>46415353
Completely false equivalency.

>>46415264
I hope this motivates him even further to show a nobody who he is

>>46415353
Nope, she has ran out of opportunities to change change and incline, anon. Even if she wanted to change it's already far too late for it to make a difference. You're retarded if you think otherwise.

>>46415423
Tbh most Hololive fan wouldn't remember his name either. What is the black hair Homo in Uproar name again?

>>46413919
but areru wasn't niji

>>46414055
Nta, but I would also like to add that the standards for indies generally apply to small corpos. Anything over 500 is good, anything over 1k is great, and having a stream that gets over 2k is amazing. If you’ve gotten to 4views before in a small corpo, shills and antis are going to start using your face as catalog bait.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>46415538
Fuma.

More evidence kronii had the package to attract but not the mentality to use it

>>46415588
Ikea shark jew newest toy for 4view bait shit

>>46415460
KEK EVERYONE LAUGHED

>>46415605
>return stream
>karaoke
>weekend
Stop shitting up the thread, cluck.

>>46415605
She just wants to play her indie games.

>>46415605
I feel like that's been proven during her first couple of months. Her ceiling is still good, but man she could be so much more if she wasn't clinically depressed at all times.

>>46415184
It's possible to reverse, but she'd have to make major changes that I'm not sure she's capable of due to either skill or pride.

>>46415317
It's that time of the year....
>>46415353
Bro, that's entirely different. There was a whole buildup for AZKi's transfer out of INNK, and then she was heavily onboarded to the rest of the holoxbox in JP. That's not comparable.

>>46414834
this thread would have a good laugh and this is fucking funny too
especially funny seeing it come from holofans who don't want them to collab with their girls, but are pushing these shitters on other people in the industry

>>46415460
Gambatte Gamma, you'll make it someday

>>46415460
no one cares

>>46415538
I know about Gamma because he drew this.

>>46415420
Naruse Naru probably was the only one bothering to try googling his name, shame on the rest honestly. Hope Gamma could achieve something this VSaikyou.

>>46415605
>Let me just ignore how fucking buffed this stream is and pretend Kronii is still as popular as last year

>>46415264
https://youtu.be/APKFOO1uoTQ?t=6300
> idk the name that's why - Alelu
> Is it just someone using the name? - Ratna Petit
https://youtu.be/APKFOO1uoTQ?t=6352
> I don't know the name that's why - Alelu
> It's his fault for having a confusing name - Naruse
> Keep your name on properly! - white hair girl at the end (said because Gamma had his name in kana and not in kanji)
> I mean, they would naturally be asked to keep their name properly during the playoffs for vsaikyou right? Or else the live commentary folks won't understand - same girl (idk her name)

>>46415605
She will always be above Fauna, no doubt about that.

>>46415460
Ouch, that'd sting if I were him.

>>46415770
The only people who'd be getting better numbers in a comparable situation are Gura, Mumei and possibly Ina.

>>46415692
I've mentioned it before, but she'd pretty much need to go through ego-death and rebirth PLUS have a massive amount of people check out the new her in order for such a thing to happen.
Like, she'd legit have to almost actually DIE FOR REAL or something as dire as that, and then pull a Miko while she's at it.
It's...yea, I doubt such a set of events would ever happen, and I don't think I could even wish for such a set of events to happen to someone.

>>46415657
Yeah, pretty much. Rin and Yuko and Pippa…I’m fairly sure Lia has had several 4view streams as well, which would also explain why people have used her as bait as well.

>>46413742
Didn't Mumei also get dog shit numbers the few times when tried EU hours?|

>>46415793
Damn, nijinigger really are rotten to the core, from streamer to fanbase

>>46415793
The vtubers are just like their fans. When you fuck up blame someone else.

>>46415605
her commitment is as frail as her merch earning

Kronii mindshare status?

>>46415605
Can we talk about kronii’s merch sales now?

>>46415770
All of HoloEN has declined so that’s not saying much. Kronii’s ceiling is still good compared to her coworkers.

>>46415886
small but she has huge dickshare

>>46415765
Areru isn't from Nijisanji though

Why are unicorn niggers seething about Kronii's popularity?

>>46415793
Why deflect the blame for your own retardation? liver like fan, fan like liver

>swearing beeps in song = ccv goes back up
interesting<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>46415793
the arrogance

>>46415793
Oh right his name is in Kana too, combine that with barely 90k sub.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

Kneel to Kronii
Now.

>>46415538
I recognize the names of holostars but I couldn't pick them out of a line up honestly. The difference is, I'm not playing in a vtuber tourney asking people to be removed.

>>46414685
Very wrong vshojo existed before them and there was a few more decent indies. And you have it backwards Gura wasn’t big because of myth they are big because of Gura. I used to think it was just coincidence and circumstance but after seeing kobo and salome 100% she could do it again even debuting today. Look at her branch flounder while she remains consistent. Random extended breaks, no communication, twitter seethe, ecelebs seethe, small fries seethe and still yet to see any noticeable drop. The closest thing to a drop was the 3D showcase and that seemed like a branch problem than hers seeing as she reached a million and only Ina reached 500k.

>>46415949
'cause it proves that their precious faufau wasn't the top dog in Council like they've been spamming during Kronii's break

>>46415989
Vesperonii thread its over

>>46415770
>Guerilla in EU hours with 10 minutes notice

>>46415886
highest in EN after gura

>>46415863
She got like 6-7k for a zatsu.

>>46415886
Bigger than Fauna’s but less than Ina

>>46416027
Fauna hasn't and will never be the top dog in Council.

>>46415793
>Alelu, Ratna, Naruse
I dont know any of these 3... are they from Niji??<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>46415949
they can't cope with the fact that personality and entertainment value trump their weird ideals that no western woman truly achieve regardless

>>46415989
I KNEEL

>>46416027
Phrased like a shitpost but you can unironically tell that some saplings are a bit pained by the reminder

>>46415949
sapkeks and hookeks jealous

>>46415949
They hold a grudge against Kronii and have been camping the thread since fall to shit on her numbers to feel better.

Kronii's being very unhinged.

>>46415853
I dont think Lia hit 4view iirc (unless she did during that -thon stream that had the yab) their big faces are Pippa on yt and Lumi on twitch. Tenma under Pippa.

>Get good number once
>Start acting like they own /#/
Not even chumbud is this cocky

>>46416027
The top of council has always been Mumei. Kronii only had it for a short amount of time and Mumei has been the top for almost the entire existence of council. According to the median ccv graph at least.

>>46415989
i kneel kronii!
you're the most hardworking and creative holoen you deserve it!

>>46413919
damn fucking nijishitters are pathetic

NGL I like this unhinged version, it's realistic to the song's message<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>46416165
It's sisters falseflagging again.

>>46416004
vhojo did not exist before, a couple of their chuubas did but they were pretty scuffed before the glow up
veibae was the first blow up iirc and she was using a scuffed model where her outfit was a tracksuit and she was blatantly leeching holoJP, project melody was on fucking chaturbate, they didnt really become a thing until the fake cripple got a good model

So we are just gonna be getting raided by sisters every time Kronii gets good numbers from now on? It's still a Holo doing good at the end of the day so who cares.

>>46416004
>Good numbers are all because of Gura
>Bad numbers are branch problem
Ogey cumbucket

>>46416027
A streamer is as strong as their ceiling, and Fauna's ceiling is, well,....

>>46416110
Last two yeah, first is their coach, some pro Apex guy

>>46415919
I don’t understand why so many anons don’t get that A.) Kronii has a high ceiling and has the potential to be really popular, and B.) She’s wasted it by being her menhera-ass self.
I don’t even think very many people here are trying to say this stream is reflective of her usual popularity.

>>46413919
why would they know who this nigga is

>>46416067
>First public stream in almost 3 weeks

>>46416184
That's only because of kronii debuffing herself.
It's kronii > mumei > fauna >>>>>>>>>>> bae

>>46416165
IRyStocrats still camp this thread despite the fact that she's a 5-6k streamer, literally Kronii and Ame tier but with less mindshare.

>>46415918
Merch sales doesn’t matter when kronii still have great superchats number unlike bae.

>>46416165
It's the same people that shitpost with Tempus and Niji whenever they get good numbers.

>>46415995
If you watch Vsaikou or any of the Apex custom tournaments, you'll notice that they often ask for Random to be removed. Gamma and Uproar in general are very unpopular with non-hololive viewers.

>>46416264
takes a simple google before bullying someone out of a pro tournament
is he supposed to know every niji too?

>>46415692
>>46415845
Cope, she's done irreversible damage and has no chance of any possible future incline, she fucked up every chance she's gotten.

>>46415793
Nijiniggers really are all the same. Vtubers and fans.
>I fucked up? Well that's your fault not mine!
Imagine if a holo did this to a niji. They'd get mass reported, doxxed, harassed, get death threats. Disgusting.
>>46416110
Ratna and Naruse are.

>>46416113
>Kronii
>Personality and entertainment value
lmao

>>46415793
> white hair girl at the end
that's Naraka, same bitch who was seething about Roboco buying a house a few months back.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>46416150
Nah man, I like all of council so I was never schizo about Kronii
plus as long as she doesn't hit 14k I can cope with the fact that her karaoke ceiling is still lower than Mumei's, but we'll see if that holds

>>46416165
>Get good numbers in empty time slot
>spam /#/ that she’s EN #2
Sapkeks everyday

>Kronii's guerilla karaoke
Oh here comes the Kronii's thumbs up for Kronii's fans when she thinks they need some attention to remember her.

>>46416266
Yeah, with 10 minutes notice way outside her normal stream timeslot? Your point?

>>46416305
They're also very unpopular with Hololive viewers.

>>46416296
It doesn't matter why, it's the reality. whatever potential Kronii has, she wastes it. You don't get points for being stronger in theory.

>>46416305
Uproar in general don't collab with outsiders do they?

>>46416110
>Naruse Naru
NijiJP
>Alelu
(not affiliated, FPS)
>Ratna
NijiJP

Completely organic Holo vs. Holo. Are the drama sisters still assblasted about earlier?

>lolimoon top updoted
>no one dares say the "loli" word
ruru

>>46416004
>vshojo existed before them
Their initial talents did, not the company, Myth was Sept 2020 while Vshojo as an entity came to be by Nov 2020

>>46416150
Why would we be, Fauna & Mumei loves Kronii.

>>46416335
>also a nijinigger
Nijisanji really is a blight on the vtubing sphere.

>>46416150
I'm a hooman and I like kronii. Her streams are awkwardly fun

>>46416150
Yeah we hate Kronii

>>46416326
Eh the fact that someone from holostars got "literally who"d is just hilarious tbqh.

>>46416150
Only saplings are jealous.

>>46416422
congrats you aren't part of some bullshit forced war

>>46416246
ok then yeaa Alelu is not gonna who a holostar is especially someone who is new in vsaikyo
as for the Niji, who cares... they are irrelevant and are under so much stress everything is a competition for them

>>46416257
I don’t think menhera has too much to do with it. It’s content choice. Charisma won’t carry her if most of her content is bad indie games and supa readings.

>>46416297
They don't do this shit though, cluckie, stop shitting up my thread.

>>46416369
they do, atleast i know that Rio does a lot

>>46416165
Not as bad as IRyStocrats bragging about numbers because IRyS never does debuff streams.

>>46416316
Anon?
Did you not even read? I said that it'd take something as bad as fucking NEARLY DYING ffs, for all intents and purposes I agree with you, you dunce.

>>46415793
how the fuck from "wakarizurai dayo are" which mean "that was pretty confusing" turned into "It's his fault for having a confusing name"????

>>46416150
>hookeks
yep, this is a falseflagger

>>46416450
>nijinigger: sing diamonds city light
>some shark: what's that?

>>46416150
Not really. If Kronii is truly back I can finally get the Dying Light Pt2 collab. Also I wish she starts playing GOI for Council unity

Keep trying though schizocunts

>>46416335
Why the fuck would you seethe about that?

Organic Holo v Holo as always

It finally dipped below it. But Reine held a 1.3k-1k ccv during age restricted RE4R for 3 hours. Which is funny because her normal streams are usually lower then that.

>>46416489
They literally do but whatever

>>46416537
kek
gura's is funnier because it doesn't involve practicing for a pro tourney where they should be smart about this shit

>>46415863
More along the lines of the Ina/Fauna timeslot than true EU hours. The only real examples for this time of day would be the Holotori Gartic Phone, Kiara KeyWe, and Iofi collabs, which have so many other factors as to be unrepresentative of a regular stream of hers at this timeslot.

>>46416369
They did actually, blue one collab the most with outsiders, then black sometimes. I don't remember if white and red did though.
This is me remember from looking at Holodex btw.

>>46415793
>I mean, they would naturally be asked to keep their name properly during the playoffs for vsaikyou right?
The others did not even use their vtuber names at all. Why can't she just say "warui" or "suman"?

>>46416326
>Imagine if a holo did this to a niji. They'd get mass reported, doxxed, harassed, get death threats. Disgusting
First, none of the holo would do they, they are too kind
Second, even if they did, nowadays Niji fanbase apart from their top 2-3 are literally non-existent they couldnt do shit to drama channels

>>46416165
>anon falling for falseflaggers
no wonder the other threads say that numbers is the nest of the most retarded people in /vt/

>>46416541
she'd rather seethe at roboco for being well paid, than complain to riku being his slave<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>46416150
13k comeback stream unachived weekend karaoke, ye anon nice numbers

I have both kiara and kronii open
I have no idea what kiara is rambling about but kronii sounds nice today
the real gf exp

>>46416540
Why the fuck would you want a Dying Light Pt2 ? Every single 1o1 between those two (which is 2 stream btw) have been shit, they just aren't mean to stream together

>>46416512
Stop coping.

>>46416573
Ace Attorney #46 isn't a big draw?