/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I ain’t reading allat

Did Kanata and Nazuna fucking mindbreak her or something?
Where did this meltdown even come from? When her so-called "friends" are both pro-unicorn.

bitch is always right
even if she tends to phrase stuff in the most retarded way possible

>>46128066
People are assuming this is 100% kanata's situation since she talks to her behind the scenes, Kanata made a mengen stream recently where she's been comfy so far and didn't have a meltdown, so I think this is just Kson being a karen.

good riddance
china won

>>46127948
Lol ask the yuracoomies how kson "saved" their 2 views oshi

>>46128066
chammas pregnant

i bet shes depressed because shes hitting the wall while one of her former genmates has a stable relationship

/vt/ is the biggest case of "the hit dog hollers" I've ever seen

Wow kson is mentally ill
I will not support those who collab with men for fun, simple as.
Go cry about it, kshit.

She can be a vshojo slut and be on chaturbate, collab with nuxtaku, appear on trash taste etc. all she wants.
I don't owe her support or respect.

>>46128224
qrd pls

>>46127948
saving the 2 views?
how?
this is just an attempt to direct attention at vshojo by convicing people they are horrible to their oshi and they should let them do what they want just like shojo

>>46128492
Vshojo is exactly a case study in why you shouldn't allow males on stream.

>>46128594
She is drunk on the ego she got after quitting Hololive and joining Vshojo

>>46127948
>>46128497
>>46128066
She got rejected in an interview for Yakuza Like a Dragon and chinks have censored her on their Yakuza audition restream, and it unironically caused her meltdown.

>>46128503
I think she's basically saying that it's fine to not like someone or a vtuber being a slut and she personally think vtubers shouldn't be in a relationship since u can't put everything into your job but that people like marineschizo are on the rise and influencing public opinion so everyone is a schizo

>>46127948
shes basically just saying the mentally ill thirdworlders and retards on 5ch who are promoting biological sex segregation are getting more mentally ill

>>46128701
That's hilarious.

>>46128492
I used to think that most of thus stuff was just people shitposting, but these days it really feels like the schizos are actually serious.

All these seething threads also kinda prove her point.

>>46128503
very quick rundown
>Yura killed her career by becoming a kson groupie and offcollabing with her boytoys

>>46128147
For something that supposed to be Kanata situation, she seems to talk a lot about overseas fanbase.

>>46128757
No, we should radicalize further. We're not extreme ENOUGH.

>>46128757
Why would people be joking?
No, we really aren't interested in seeing males on stream. It's not a joke.

>>46128701
Wait she was in the interview because i couldn't tell from the 100 layers of makeup to make her look better

>>46128701
oh kek so that's what caused this. I figured she was going to lose, but that's pretty funny

>>46128066
She can't help but shit on the Japanese not validating her as an "individualistic" superior Amerimutt vtuber. Says Japanese should stop being unicorns and be like Amerimutts while ignoring Amerimutt trannies who cyberbully vtubers like Pikamee.

Don't want to say it but what she's saying here is no different from that of Amerimutt sjws on Twatter. Quite disappointed with her.

Really weird rant considering Nazuna basically praised her unicorns and gachis recently.
Does she hate her or something or is she still mad that Nazuna bailed on the minecraft thing that had males in it a few months back?

>>46128701
>>46128726
>>46128847
>>46128842
You need to attack the evil evil bugmen for doing that because you're one of them if you don't!!!!!!!!!!!

>>46128066
Too much Lean

>>46128701
Omega Kek

>>46128701
Ah, now it all makes sense. Top fucking kek.

>>46128503
Kson called out the unicorns for being shitheads, and now they're mad. Its all this is.

>>46128914
We should attack Chinese for being Chinese.

>you just HAVE to support vtubers who act like hoes and who constantly stream with guys
>why?
>well, because... because they're vtubers I guess

>>46128066
>one day ago she met with M*ri's RM

>>46128701
Sounds fake. Gimme the link.

>>46128701
It's funny because she could have fucking won it easily if she just kept her mouth shut about Taiwan, but no she had to OWN the noobs

>>46129026
>M*ri
>Even though her recent rant had more of pink cats influence than brapper the reaper

She's upset that she lost some people due to how much she trashified herself ever since she left Hololive.
Now she's full "you need to respect me even if I act like a whore" mode. She's seething people prefer to watch real idols.

>>46129049
You don't understand she need to because she just need to okay!!!!!!

>>46129046
>Gimme the link.
__________________________________I made it up__________________________________

>>46128969
>Kson went on a rant that make no sense and now people are trying to figure out what the fuck she was thinking
ftfy

>>46129132
seethe

>>46129093
>>46129132
BUGMEN!!!!!!!!!

>>46128718
>>46128969
I was asking for qrd about Yura not the thread but tks
>also
I disagree with kson, unicorn are fine atleast they become an anti

>>46128769
tks anon

>>46128701
now that i think about it, does holo still a nazi for china or it's settled down now ? (

>>46129026
Honestly this might be it. Mori ranted to her about tempus-holoen sitaution and she took it even further.

>>46127948
All true but holocorns can't deal with it.

>>46129279
Kson fat ass would fuck you

>>46128839
Depends on what you’re talking about. Ame being provocative on purpose or Kronii’s constant male collab spam? Yeah, that’s annoying. Unironically thinking that the Pekora minecraft collab is bad because it was hosted by the Japanese equivalent of dream? Of course normal people can’t tell if someone who’s “mad” about that is joking or not.
That’s the kind of disdain for males you’d expect from a rape victim or something. That’s really weird.

>>46128701
Holy shit, it all makes sense now...
I unironically lost all respect for her. She kept saying she was going to lead a revolution in the industry and she did nothing. And now she just had a complete meltdown, shitting on unicorns who are fans of her friends while never calling out the trannies who attacked pikamee and silvervale. Kson is the biggest disappointment in vtubing.

>>46129389
I know, I'm a hunk.

>>46128324
CAN YOU IMAGINE

>>46128503
> Yura from Prism used to do GFE
> Stop doing gfe
> hang out with Kson and her groupies
> eventually just straight up have male collab back when prism supposedly have no male collab rule (that they enforced poorly)
> get into ARK addiction and just play ARK every stream to hang out with kson clique
> play more ARK off streams and delay projects.
> travel to Japan (rrats say to have sex with Kson's boy toy groupies)
> NTR song cover collab with that one japanese male guy
In the end, Yura growth completely stagnated when it should have theoretically grown when collating with much bigger vtubers like kson and pikamee. To be fair, Yura is a bit of a bitch as well and maybe Kson just accelerate the process by egging her on. The rest of other events of Prism are also part of the cause but it's too long to list.

>>46128718
No she attacked corporations for having guidelines you should follow which means she’s never held a real job before if she thinks Hololive rules are slavery. It must surprise her that people are expected to be at work on time, follow the rules to not be fired and in some cases can’t date other coworkers you think she’d try to bring down society. Thinking women are whores is nothing new if a girl tells you a man visits her at night whore if she’s streaming at night a man is there whore. Vshojo/orbiters admit to sleeping around whores. Going out of your way to do a collab with a man whore. It’s not the collab itself it’s the fact you decided to take the effort to text him set it up and you’ll probably still be texting afterwards. Then surprise, as shown in many cases they slept together or start going out but never settle down so whore. You can like whores and you’re not a cuck unless you’re watching nyanners brag that he creampied her the night before. If you wouldn’t want to see people flirt in person why give people money for it.

>>46129410
Who cares about "being weird" shaming tactic

ITT bugmen still seething over BTFO of when she was in Hololive

>>46129410
The holo MC event thing was a nothingburger, they didn't even sit in VC with them
But I have no interest in normal male collabs and will not support any holos or vtubers who do those frequently

>>46129476
Same as Finana. Can't be sad about this.

>>46128969
That's basically what it sounds like. Butthurt unicorns have this habit of shitting up the catalog when they've been called out. That energy could be used to go for a walk, or do pushups or like... shower.

/thread

>>46129591
Again with shaming tactics.

>>46129602
You mean what K-son is doing

Fuck Kson and fuck her white knights.

>>46128900
Funny thing her praise was that unicorns aren’t that bad and they shouldn’t be getting bullied like they are. Getting bullied is obviously unicorn 4d chess

>>46129697
BUGMEN!!

Why do shitty twitch whores think that they are owed anything
You act like a slut, behave like trash, constantly have cumsexcock talk and collab with dudes all the time.
In what way do I have to "support" you at all

>>46129726
Derpa durr hurr.

ITT seething unicorns and bugmen

>>46129844
No male collabs.

>>46129195
>seethe
Yeah that's what you're doing kek

>>46129591
>Kson completely humiliates herself
>pretend like unicorns took an L somehow
0/10 gaslighting effort. Try harder next time.

Collab with males? Not gonna watch you anymore. Seethe all you want but this niche will always exist and it will always be filled by someone.

>>46129591
Play devil’s advocate and ask why do you have to pay a steamer to do things you don’t like. If you didn’t want to see a pedo grooming kids you’d stop watching. If you didn’t want to see someone abuse animals you stop watching. If you don’t want to see gay men have sex you stop watching. The least schizo thing about a unicorn is that they stop watching when it’s not something they like. If you’re calling out the attacks that’s not unique to anyone there are all kinds of antis even spotless girls get antied and called whores.

>>46129986
NOOO!
You cannot have your own preferencesn
You HAVE to let me act as repulsive as possible and still support me, it's mandatory

Kson personally sitting on my face is the only way i will ever watch a Vshoju stream

Nyanners is a middle aged thot with a boyfriend
silvervale is a failed twitch thot
Zen is Gunrun

wasnt't there some blond big booba vtuber who streamed like 4 times?

Haruka is canadian

Iron is dying

>>46130089
im not sure what people expect from whoreshojo, a company that has a literal camgirl as a member and a faggot spic as its CEO

>>46130116
> iron is dying
Heh

>>46128701
kek this is fucking hilarious, what a shitshow, the subhuman chinks still seething about it and a washed up whore banned from china, brilliant combination

>>46129505
It depends of the rules and guidelines corpos has, one small innocent mistake and you are done, but in the other hand sometimes you have to break the rules in order to succeed and Coco/Kson was doing it that in Cover but there was CCP bots in there who gave her the boot.

>>46130181
I love that they are the face of vtubing in the west.

>>46128876
>She can't help but shit on the Japanese not validating her as an "individualistic" superior Amerimutt vtuber.
Good, they're fucking wrong.

>>46130276
americans corrupt and destroy anything they touch with their filth and depravity

>>46130181
the funny thing about Vshouju is that Mel the literal camwhore is the most wholesome member

thats how far down the whore scale that company goes

>>46129410
>That’s really weird.
Motherfucker, we're on an anonymous website watching grown ass women pretending to be anime characters and giving them money for being cute. Do you REALLY think we give a shit about being called weird at this point?

>>46130332
Same with China my friend... pick your lethal poison

I still don't understand where she got the idea from. Unicorns aren't a new trend. Niji JP has had a bunch of them since day one and did before Hololive. It's not the Japanese exclusive thing or an exported concept from it either, even though she talks as if it doesn't exist in the Amerimutt streaming scene. It's just the nature of vtubing/streaming regardless of country or nationality.

Idk why Amerimutts always become this binary and end up trying to force every foreigner to be like them, ignoring their own problems like cancel culture.

>>46128969
Pretty much. Any time you see /vt/ in a tizzy over something, you know it's good.

>>46130393
>Idk why Amerimutts always become this binary and end up trying to force every foreigner to be like them, ignoring their own problems like cancel culture.
Manifest Destiny is a hell of a drug that never wore off.

>>46130359
>mel, the honest whore
>kson, the dishonest whore
>nyanners, pic related
>ironlung, the cripple

>>46129903
>Yeah that's what you're doing kek
>no u

>>46130400
We're not extreme ENOUGH.

>>46127948
I don't know if it's the translator's fault but god her choice of words is atrocious. Unicorns are still a little minority it's not a growing trend or the standard, the fact that she is trying to do this "call to arms" against "weebs"(again wrong term but whatever) it's even more confusing. Is she against unicorns? Or against the corps that enable this behavior? I don't understand it's a rant full of buzzwords without any substance. I can get behind the message "don't go too crazy wasting your life and your savings over a png" or "don't try to dictate too much the work of other people" but I think that's a given and not even unicorns or gachikoi want this. She said herself the thing earnest unicorns and gachi want "if someone is serious about vtubing, they'd be putting all their time and effort into it", that's it, as a vtuber, an idol you should be a symbol, someone to look at up to. If I want to get relaxed I can always watch Watame, I want to watch her grow and support her, watch her in the spotlight despite all the suffering she overcame throughout her life. I don't want her to start doing 3d whoring for a fake sense of freedom. It's fine if some people chose to do the latter, and threaten or insult them on their spaces it's of course wrong. But don't expect my support or my blind respect, I tolerate you nothing more nothing less.

>>46130446
Mel is hilariously awkward when shes with other people

I have a soft spot for whores with massive tism

>>46130454
Kson's rant was objectively poor. Teased an important talk, wasted an hour on useless tangents and in the end all she had to say was harassing is bad.

She's smoking cock fr

What happened to Kanata? I don't think even catalognigs cared about the Minecraft shit. Was all the drama on twitter?

>>46130570
same honestly
i still hate her out of principle >though

>>46128701
That stream was terrible, seeing all those Japanese women alongside Kson really highlights the difference between Asian and western women.

>kson is Japanese
She's a western ho at heart anon. She is the type of women you find in some shitty Atlanta nightclub.

>>46129410
When you enjoy watching a vtuber and they bring a guest on that sucks of course you're going to be mad. That's true even if it's girls collabing with girls. The solution to this is for vtubers to communicate better with fans. Managing expectations is crucial in any business.

>>46130514
She's just salty many people out there have standards that make them uninterested in people like her who go all out "creative freedom"
Or in other words, she wants to eat her cake and have it too

>>46128701
>She got rejected
She literally had a photoshoot not long ago, retard

>>46130605
Actual fans hype for her Sekiro run.

I am seamen I cant read all that english
me think kson bad!!
GLORY TO CCP

>>46127948
Holy shit there's so much wrong here. First, weaboo was invented on 4chan and it is a derogatory term and should stay that way. Weebs are ignorant fucks that's the whole point. If they weren't ignorant they'd be called Japanophiles or just Otakus if you want to be generous.

Also, I don't know where she's seeing weebs gatekeeping each other. Maybe, /jp/, but that's it.

>>46127948
>Do NOT clip any part of this stream that makes it seem like I'm pointing fingers.
...Then don't point fingers?

>>46130735
this but unironically

>>46130689
Here we go again, /vt/ being the cancer that kills vtubing and rationalizing why it's actually a good thing.

Good job retard

>>46128757
Poe's law

>>46129602
Why is that guy banging into Kson?

>>46130770
seething bugman

>>46128701
Ha. That’s funny.

>>46128701
Wow. I guess she should have taken the same deal as Nyanners and just gotten her face on one of those cards.

>>46130890
it's also not true at all
the auditions aren't done yet and the "chinese censorship" was just a taiwanese site clickbaiting

>>46130605
>Was all the drama on twitter?
All the drama was from her dedicated antis from 5ch. But stayed only in that place. Kanata is the one that almost made it blow up out of proportion.

>>46130949
I see. Would be funny if true though, common anon you’ve gotta laugh.

>>46130798
Unicorns just don't want male collabs, everything else is Discord falseflag.

>>46130798
>vtubing is being killed because some people don't want to watch whores who act like your average twitch trash
Tell us more

tst

>>46131058
Discordfags argument is weak because none of vshojo is doing spectacularly good

>>46130989
sorry but i don't find third world schizos writing fanfiction about an internet anime woman funny

>>46127948
Wtf is she talking about? I've NEVER heard the term weeb used in that way.

>>46130949
found the lying chink, i found the vid and its very real, like holy shit you chink bugmen still have this whore living rent free in your head? this is funny as fuck

>you're killing cars because you're not supporting Nissan
Okay

>>46127948
>Somewhere beyond my knowledge, the future of V-Tubers is met its end
Oh my god, I'm not reading the ramblings of a fucking narcissistic old lady who left Fubuki to deal with the Chinese antis by herself while she goes to Taiwan to do events and play the only popular Mahjong game on stream while Holo's can't play it because of her actions.

Fuck. Off.

>>46131132
>I've NEVER heard the term weeb used in that way.
Because she made it up. She's literally lying. Why do you think her drones are defending her so hard?

>>46131262
hello stabschizo
nice to see you here today

>>46128701
Fucking kek

>>46127948
Unironically as cancerous as China.

>>46127948
She came out with this after meeting Gura, I 1 thousand percent believe. This is probably Gura's whole rant about explaining why she doesn't stream as much anymore.

Kson is a lesbian in a industry where Korone has to pretend to be straight so i get that she feels she cant be herself and people are boxed up but whores ironically prove her wrong

Mel jerks off in an anime avatar and still has fans, is everyone her fan? no just like everyone isnt a fan of GFE nazune but she has her niche and thats fine

NO ONE will be universal appealing evevn people like Miko and GOOBa are annoying to some people

you cant please everyone nor should you try to force people to dig you

Learn from this autistic whore and be yourself

>>46128497
How is any of this mental illness? What she's saying is pretty reasonable

>>46128969
Pretty much. There's also a lot of ESL people on here who literally can't understand what she said and are just going off of whatever others are saying in smaller bites

>>46130605
Kanata takes anti fans who are trolling her threads as actual fans and then succumbs to them.
It's nothing new with her.

>>46128701
LMAO

>>46130770
Since she said weebs I'll assume she's referring specifically to 4chan and communities like it, in which case she is absolutely correct about the gatekeeping. Just wander into any thread on /vt/ and observe the culture warriors fretting about the dreaded trannies and twitter users invading "their" hobby and holding glorious Nippon up as the shining example of racial purity.

>I love the attitude of, "All that matters is that the creator he/herself is happy"

Hurr durr I'm a streamer and I should be able to do whatever I want with no regard for my my fanbase's wishes. If they stop watching me it's because they're bad people!!

>>46131417
>Korone has to pretend to be straight
>pretend
kys

>>46131446
She is, you can build your brand around collabs with men or whatever and no one will bat an eye.
Those who pander to GFE for numbers have to keep up or rebrand and lose fans, its natural that people that came for something else will not necessarily be interested in a different experience.
She is making drama about a niche existing.

so this is what menopause does to a mf

>>46131183
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV15T41167gU/
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1EP411f792/

>>46131576
Yeah, because not gatekeeping sure worked out well for western comics and the tabletop communities, right? Go back to twitter, you fucking faggot. You're not even being subtle.

>>46128725
>>46128757
>>46128969
>>46129279
>>46129591
>>46130400
>>46131446
>>46131502
So true sisters! We should pop our estrogen and go jerk our girlcocks together!!!

i have no problem with unicorns. but if your a unicorn and like gura which most of them do. you are unironically ruining the industry. atleast kson actually streams and puts effort in. gura literally dosen't give two shits about her fans and streams once a month at this point. but unicorns will tolerate this shit because she dosent collab with males and le cute shark.

>>46131680
if you actually read or listened to what she said you would know that she is "making drama" about that niche's fans harassing and insulting vtubers who do not cater to it

>>46131576
There is no weeb purity test here. I can't even think of anything more cringe than that.

>>46131680
Towa went that direction and her numbers are pathetic.

>>46131446
>What she's saying is pretty reasonable
She's assblasted because some people have actual standards and she's equating vtubing, which is one of the most casual jobs a person can possibly have, to slavery. None of that is reasonable.

>>46131576
>gatekeeping
Yes, we need a lot more of it. Speaking of which go back to réddit.

>>46131826
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
A false flag operation is an act committed with the intent of disguising the actual source of responsibility and pinning blame on another party. The term "false flag" originated in the 16th century as an expression meaning an intentional misrepresentation of someone's allegiance.[1][2] The term was famously used to describe a ruse in naval warfare whereby a vessel flew the flag of a neutral or enemy country in order to hide its true identity.[1][2][3] The tactic was originally used by pirates and privateers to deceive other ships into allowing them to move closer before attacking them. It later was deemed an acceptable practice during naval warfare according to international maritime laws, provided the attacking vessel displayed its true flag once an attack had begun.[4][5][6]

The term today extends to include countries that organize attacks on themselves and make the attacks appear to be by enemy nations or terrorists, thus giving the nation that was supposedly attacked a pretext for domestic repression or foreign military aggression.[7] Similarly deceptive activities carried out during peacetime by individuals or nongovernmental organizations have been called false flag operations, but the more common legal term is a "frameup", "stitch up", or "setup".

>>46131791
Gura's previous persona was the same way

sporadic streams and lack of effort

her unicorns are used to that shit

>>46131842
if you watch gura and think you have standards your kidding yourself. i hope you don't

>>46131889
Gura created kino for 2 years.

She just said that it's fine if fans don't like males on stream, but shouldn't force the chuubas to act in a certain way. You can just watch someone else.

>>46131842
>she's equating vtubing to slavery
no she's not

>>46131840
marine almost quit because of coco

>>46131943
No shit.

>>46131417
>Mel jerks off in an anime avatar
Yet she still the better one in Vshojo

>>46128701
That is very unfortunate.

>>46131928
>if you watch gura
I don't. But I can respect her for refusing to associate with males while also disrespecting her for not streaming.

>>46131977
Going the FPS coed streamer route hasn't worked for Towa. Males are not goof for numbers.

>>46131840
And whats wrong with that?

>>46127948
I don't believe people in entertainment should be lecturing other people or meddling in politics your job is to to make people kind of get away from reality not just drag us all into it I don't need that nobody needs that that's what Twitter's for

They work for a fucking company you dumb broad, Rules are natural this isn't some fucking playground where you can shout and scream as much as you want.
Holo has grown into a very popular company and with popularity becomes a reputation you have to maintain to get even more popular or to attract sponsors like any other regular popular company.
What fucking world is she living in? If they don't like the rules then become an indie but they won't because they're addicted to the money and fame that comes with Holo.

>>46128969
This struck a chord, because it's true.

>>46131791
Ah I see the retards are Gura antis
That explains a lot

>>46131943
this thread is a perfect example of what she said ironically. why comment on someone you don't watch? all this bitching when they can just ignore it and move on. holocorns have become the same people they used to hate those being the nijisanji antis that caused the holo caust

>>46132066
Male collab is dilutting the brand. It's number poison. Discordfags encourage male collab to own incels but won't watch them either.

>>46132035
unless you're a femboy

>>46132114
they're mostly bots at this point. nijiniggers are so buttblasted about people shit talking their awful company that they're going to destroy this board

My 2view oshi will continue to collab with males, shoot down gachikoi, not have a bf and be an honest person forever. Just because the trend is 2 faced whores doesn't mean shit to me. Even when a company mandates they appear consistent it just means it's an illusion.

why kson thinks her opinion on the industry matters when she herself breaks several foundational rules set by the OG era vtubers is a mystery to me

>>46132130
Not valid when it's encouraging creators to basically change their content.

>>46132186
And that's why she will always be 2view

>>46128701
Damn, that sucks for Kson. I really mean that

>>46128147
What the fuck does Kanata hve to do with overseas fans? Kanata has one of the lowest kaigai fanbases in Hololive because most of her content is internal Hololive gossip

this is all because yagoo decided to create "idols" instead of "entertainers"
that's it, that's the whole thing, japanese people are going to japanese and retards outside japan will follow because that's what a japanese would do. What's done is done, japanese idol culture works in japan because it's only in japan, nothing good can come from making that line of thinking a global thing. Are they going to stop when some of their talents gets killed? because it's going to happen eventually, with "idols" it always does, virtual or not.

>>46132186
>not have a bf
>be an honest person
smug anime face

>male collabs kills your numbers
>nijisisters
lol

>>46131889
Her rm also streamed with males.

>>46132220
Yes, it's by choice.
Everyone is happier this way.

>>46131998
because beyond being a coomer she seems genuine

I get sick of ironlung trying to marry conner before she dies and silvervale talking about how many arab cocks she sucked that week

i can deal with mel but she really shines in collabs with non vshoju members

>>46132259
Everyone's kaigai audience is minimal to begin with. Trend's over.

>hololive literally has a not so secretly married chuba who is currently inclining hard in views because she just produces content and doesn't act like a whore
>I don't like where vtubing is heading guys

Dumb fucking cunt, if Rushia wasn't a psycho the whole thing would have blown over

>>46132264
Keep seething Kson bootlicker

>>46132114
the truth is being a anti? you guys are literally enabling a lazy content creator who puts no effort in whatsoever. what kind of example do you think that sets for other vtubers? if every vtuber was like gura vtubing wouldn't exist. it would just be a platform to shill merch.

>>46132307
shes the only likable member

>>46132326
>>hololive literally has a not so secretly married chuba who is currently inclining hard in views because she just produces content and doesn't act like a whore
???

>also some of them get attacked even if they interacted with males in their past lives
Time to cancel gura then, no one interacted with more males than her

>>46132264
lmao this faggot is delusional

>>46132401
https://kemono.party/patreon/user/20136640
https://coomer.party/onlyfans/user/projektbutt

>>46131998
>>46132307
Consistency is better than anything else.
If people know exactly what you are they will respect you.
If you're wishy washy or lie about stuff then people will get mad.
If Mel started bashing coomers for being horny they would get mad at her, but she knows whos she is, she knows her content and she's honest about it. That's all she will ever need.

>>46132399
Gura created kino.

>>46132268
Her reasoning is justified, everyone says she acts the same way in private, has years of consistency now, and when asked about anything gives an accurate answer.

>>46132264
It was A-chan and Sora's idea.

I'm glad Holo left China and I fucking hate Kson.

>>46132264
I won't buy your Amerimutt comics or cartoons full of gays and trannies and ugly women anyway. Fucking garbage

>>46132035
Towa gets plenty good numbers, maybe not the strongest in the company which is a hard ask, but she’s not some absolute shitter you say she is, unlike Matsuri for example.

>>46132196
That's what happens when a bunch of drones glorify her and go yaaaaas queen slay whenever she says anything retarded like she did today. She feels it validates her opinion and therefore she is right.

>>46132177
They have their own board now. /vt/ is healing.

>"unicorns acting schizo and attacking vtubers is bad"
>five bump limit seethe threads and counting
I fucking love this bitch

>>46132264
Enjoy your whores Nijifaggot

>>46132411
was it that bad? i think she only collabed with her boyfriend at the time and a friend

>>46131840
Towa was forced into that direction because of the yab.

>>46132577
How about opportunistic clipwatchers who jump onto any chance they can get to shit on unicorn-friendly vtubers? Are they bad too, kson?

>>46132326
It's generally about expectations. When a chuuba shows honesty, then people don't care she's dating someone or is married. Look at Choco, she's spending half the time in her member streams talking about dates she had and nobody minds it.
People were pissed at Kronii for lying or setting her audiences up for no-male content when she said she's not going to collab with Tempus.
Kiara straight asked what they think about female x male collabs and decided to go no-male route.
Mori has never said she's not going to collab with males, so whenever she collabs with tempus, almost nobody minds it.
It's mostly about honesty and setting up expectations of your audiences.
Well, and there are fucking schizos too, but that's a whole other story.
>>46132401
An honest whore will always be better than a dishonest prude.

>>46129049
ching chong cao ni ma

>shows her actual face all the time
Her opinion on vtubing is worthless

>>46132316
Only holoEN is dead because they're lazy. The number of foreign fans going back to JP has increased. Fubuki even has a live translator for them now

>>46132639
>nope they're fine!

>>46132639
Are those clipwatchers who shit on unicorn chuubas in the room with us right now, anon?

>>46132642
only good post in this trash heap

>>46132639
yes, she wants vtubers to be able to do whatever they want without being harassed by weirdos
that's the thing you people still don't understand, she loves all kinds of vtubers

>>46130770
>weaboo
Weeaboo has two “e”s in it.
You should lurk for at least two years before posting.

>>46132723
>watching manlover Fubuki
I prefer Watame, Miko and Koyori

>>46132639
Yes. Just like unicorns shitting on vtubers for collabing with men is bad, non-unicorns shitting on vtubers for not collabing with men (as long as it's their choice) is also bad.

I watched the stream and am not retarded so feel free to ask me any questions you have.

>>46132723
Hololive became more famous for having weirdo fans.

>>46132742
Yeah, actually

>>46128492
too many retarded seanig posting here. Truly worst board on this 4chan

>>46132577
I know right?

>>46132822
>I watched the stream and am not retarded
There is no place for you in this thread, anon.

>>46132742
Unironically yes they are

>>46132642
Nah Mori had a membership meltdown when asked about a heads up about male collabs. She definitely cared and so did a majority of her viewers.

>>46132822
Then how come she didn't say that?

>>46132828
Only among seething Nijifags who are upset that virtual idols smashed the Nijisluts. CGDCT will always reign supreme. Nobody has any interest in twitch thots with anime avatars

>>46128701
Only thing I got from watching this is how different she looked when next to prettier Japanese women.

>>46132897
She did say that.

>>46132577
>Let me jump on this non issue for clout and villify unicorns for something they never did
Thanks Kson

>>46132955
Quote?

>>46132822
i agree completely. if your not a unicorn leave the unicorns alone and let them enjoy the streamers they like. if your a unicorn let non unicorns enjoy the streamers they like. simple as

>>46132815
>Watame

>>46127948
I'm trying to find any way to take this as anything more than the ramblings of someone with a superiority complex, but just can't. Just a whole lot of her claiming her opinions as fact

>>46133032
And her yesmen will say she is right

>>46132797
Both spellings are accepted newfriend.

>>46132529
go back

>>46127948
Kson has fucking lost the plot now, she is trying to be Vtuber Jesus but she is employed by fucking vshojo

>>46131417
Pretend lmao

>>46132956
>Kson: I'm sorry if I'm kinda all over the place today.
>Kson: It's just that there are those around me who're in the thick of this but can't speak out.
>Kson: So I asked if I could say it on their behalf, and they said yes.

>>46127948
I know her numbers are declining lately but there's no reason to go on unhinged tangent like this un provoked.

>>46132991
Unfortunately too many people on both sides of the issue now see it as an ideological battle that needs to be won

>>46132085
>They work for a fucking company you dumb broad
since when does cover ban male collabs?

>>46133254
Can't fence sit on this one. Either collab males or don't.

>>46132956
>villify unicorns for something they never did
Come on man, we both browse this board

>>46133382
>Either collab males or don't.
menhera can and will do both

>>46133423
Can you point to any example of any vtuber actually getting harassed for male collabs? Twitter trannies talk big game about this supposed harrassment but I've never seen a concrete example. The only recent harassment has been Pikamee getting harassed by the people who hate unicorns for playing the wizard game.

>>46128701
Zhangs I kneel...

>>46128066
https://youtu.be/ScVSeQ4UswY?t=1311
> "The type of idol that's tightly bound and restricted, are the true idols" that type of (thinking) is becoming normalized.
> and the type of idols that act more freely are being called whores
> nowadays a lot of VShojo girls are being called whores
> I mean yeah, there's a lot of vshojo girls who put out their boobs and stuff, but I realized recently that those type of girls are becoming more hated nowadays.
It's about Nyanners, Veibae and their fanbase leaving them after the bf reveals.

>>46133248
It's not Kanata and it's not Nazuna, both of them planted their flag firmly on the pro unicorn side so who is she talking about?

>>46127948
>She the Jesus of Vtubering and saving the 2Views!!!
ESL-chama...

>>46133032
How does your post make any sense in the context of what she just said? Did we read the same thing?
>>46132991
You're not using the words right. Kson said she was fine with gachikoi fans, but it's unicorns that are always shit-stirrers who complain and feel entitled. Unicorns, by their very definition, cannot leave anyone alone.
Replace the word with gachikoi's in your post and it becomes more true.

>>46133568
Holy shit lmao. Then it has nothing to do with "unicorns" and it's just Kson seething over the fact that 50% of the viewers of female streamers only watch to sexually fantasize about them

side note
is Kson even able to speak on vtubing anymore?

shes mostly a flesh tuber and left the biggest company she was ever in, shes in vshoju the same way Nazune is...a satellite that beyond merch isnt really part of it

shes the same niche as people like Saya and Asuka who stream on japanese twitch and do unboxing

this girl left the industry she doesnt dictate how it evolves

Just do a lesbian 69 stream with Kiara and call it a day Kson

>>46131417
>lesbian
kson got into her favorite game series because of a previous bf. Not even under a different name it was in an interview There is no way she isn't at least bisexual.

>>46133248
Damn it Kson, quit trying to sacrifice yourself for others.

>>46132642
This. Customer service is all about setting and managing expectations. And make no mistake, Hololive is a service job.

This thread is extremely ESL to the point it doesn't feel like 4chan anymore
You retards should just start cursing each other out in whatever fucking retarded asian language you speak so you can finally eat a 3 day

>>46133675
Yea shes probably bi or businessexual as in she will fuck whoever gets her jobs


Kiara is gay...unless you pay

>>46133568
I mean, vshojo girls are whores, what exactly am I supposed to say here?

>>46133785
>Kiara is gay
DYRBI?

>>46131791
> Kson thread
> Gura seethe
rent free lmao

>>46127948
man reading this is a trip. am i stoned? ive never considered weeb as possibly a neutral or even a positive connotation

>>46133511
Anon... ctrl+F "whore" in this thread
>>46133568

>>46133665
stop watching clips you fucking mongoloid
like 95% of her content is her playing games as a vtuber

>>46132408
The Dancer

>>46132742
in this very thread, yes

>>46133856
>ESL seething about gura out of nowhere
every time.

>>46133855
I buy that a german mutt in japan had to do some weird shit to get by

Kiara is just the new applemilk84

>>46133867
But...Vshojo whores ARE whores. That isn't because mean old unicorns are attacking them it's because they talk about their filthy period shits on stream and the time they took a cum shot to the eye. Surely you don't think behaving like an actual whore on stream should have zero consequences for the reputation of the streamer?

>>46133568
This make sense

>>46133776
You read poorly translated texts as well. If you want to enjoy fully Anglo stuff go back to re*dit.

>>46133590
Kson used every single buzzword wrong.

>>46133993
no one suspected old maid nyanners to start dating at her age


girl should be married by now why break the femcel pattern when you hit the wall?

>>46133867
>Stick a vibrator in your pussy and have it activate when people send donations
>"wtf why are people saying I'm a whore"
You can't be fucking serious anon

>>46134098
How about you get an education and stop posting on my website

>>46133120
>Both spellings are accepted newfriend.
There is only one correct spelling of weeaboo, you retard. Misspelling weeaboo is one of the fastest ways of outing yourself as a retard, up there with the faggots that mispronounce sage.

>>46133867
How the fuck is talking shit about someone here harassment? This isnt a feedback platform and if you treat it like one then thats you being absolutely retarded.

>>46134140
This is a Japanese website, Anglo trannygger.

>>46133856
same canned response every time with no argument.

>>46129219
If youre hoping hololive is coming back to china its not going to happen, bridge burnings are a permanent thing when it comes to china (or until the ccp gets removed)

WHo in the flying fuck is using the term weebs to describe unicorns? At best the term is still used by a casual anime fan to a friend who watching something more than the BIG 4 or whatever and at worst it's used as a term to make fun of someone who's fully in on anime or some other Japanese thing. I have no idea where she'd be seeing this other than this place.

>>46127948
TLDR: Whores mad people dont like whores.

>>46134158
Old boomer alert.

I don't really get the impression that being a unicorn is becoming more popular because of some kind of weeb pissing contest
It's not even really a uniquely japanese idea

Why were Coco streams so much better than Kson streams?

>>46128701
>china so deep in japan's ass that even a game approved by their crime lords won't depict a woman for saying taiwan wasn't theirs
once
this level of retardation makes the famine of mao look like well considered and coordinated brilliance

>>46133805
https://youtu.be/ScVSeQ4UswY?t=1379
This is a long-ass sentence, in one breath she says -
企業とかスポンサーに忠誠を誓って自分の意志を完全に打ち消し人生すべてをアイドルとして男の影をすべて消し自分のよくをすべて消しやってる子こそが
すべてのヘイトを我慢し文句を一言も言わずやってる子を応援することこそが新のweebである
そしてそういうこを視聴している俺達こそが正義みたいなのは。。。文化を滅ぼすで!
> The girl who gives all their loyalty to the company and sponsors, turns her entire life into "idol", erases all traces of males.. not just males I guess, erases all their own desires, the type of girl who works like that... who tanks all the hate without a single complaint, cheering that type of girl is the "new weeb".
> And the "we" who watch that type of girl is "right"...
> That type of mentality will kill the culture of VTubing!

(original rant ends, continuing with just the translation for next part)
> Really! Just cheer on for whoever you like. Please! That type of cheering (the one stated above) will only become a negative for us (私達, VShojo I assume)!

Her entire rant is basically her getting scared that "idol VTubing" is becoming mainstream and "in demand" by fans, causing newer chuubas to be put into that "idol box", emulating Hololive, and killing all creativity, since her fear is that anything that's not copying Hololive will eventually fall by the wayside.
Problem is, anything that's not hololive eventually ends up in twitch whore tier coomerbaiting, nothing "creative" has come out of the non-Hololive chuuba industry in the past two years, and the creative types outside of Hololive like Mayuzumi are leaving the hobby in droves.

She's blaming the exodus on Unicorns when she should be asking why there aren't any creative chuubas coming up with new and interesting content nowadays... and if there is, maybe she - with her huge clout - could highlight them, and incentivize creativity in the hobby.
If she cared that is...

Will /vt/sisters ever get over her?

>>46134234
Yeah it's a submission dynamic.

>>46134272
They weren't. She just had the excuse that Cover was restricting her talent freedom back then for why they were shit

>>46134235
No one does. Clearly one of the vshojo girls started whispering in her ear about how terrible these “weebs” are treating them.

What does 5ch thinks of this?
I'm more curious about their reaction because holos and yagoo actually check that place.

>>46134235
She introduced the concept of weebs in order to talk unicorns. It's was just a device to get to the conversation she wanted to have. The fact you can't pick up on that very simple rhetorical device is a little worrying. nobody picks up 'weeb' from 4chan in this fucking decade

>>46134225
I'm not interested in mudsport, pig

>>46134253
Old but correct.

>>46134297
I love drama.

>>46134235
KSon clearly went into this stream with zero planning, because I felt like she was trying to introduce the word "weeb" to the Japanese audience, but just ended up using it to reference foreign chuuba fans... and then 5 minutes later just went back to calling them "kaigainiki" again.

Vshojo shouldn't even be considered a vtubing company considering theyre just letting their employees face cam and shit
Theres no character work, youre no different than any other variety streamer who uses a avatar part time on twitch so what makes you special to label yourself a vtuber if you dont play by the rules

>>46134288
>Problem is, anything that's not hololive eventually ends up in twitch whore tier coomerbaiting, nothing "creative" has come out of the non-Hololive chuuba industry in the past two years, and the creative types outside of Hololive like Mayuzumi are leaving the hobby in droves.
Yeah pretty much. If Kson wants to drive a new direction for vtubing good on her, I hope she finds something that works. But e-thots coombaiting with anime avatars is not novel, it's not interesting and it's actually antithetical to why people got drawn into vtubing in the first place.

If she doesn't like virtual idols then how about trying to come up with a better model instead of just whining that your lowest common denominator coomer pandering isn't really that appealing?

>>46134478
damn that strawman got fucking WRECKED

>>46134370
Very cynical and think unicorns are retards.

>>46133568
>nowadays a lot of VShojo girls are being called whores
Because they are whores? Particularly Veibae who literally talked about the time she got railed in Canada once and tends to describe every little detail of her sexual escapades.
>I mean yeah, there's a lot of vshojo girls who put out their boobs and stuff, but I realized recently that those type of girls are becoming more hated nowadays.
Only when that's all they have going for them.
>It's about Nyanners, Veibae and their fanbase leaving them after the bf reveals.
So what does this have to do with unicorns? Not wanting to jerk off to or fantasize about someone who is taken is normal.

>>46134525
>T-Thats a strawman
She's literally a member of the vtubing group who pride themselves on essentially being anime style onlyfans whores on twitch but ok broski

>>46127948
Unicornkeks your response?

>>46129008
Is there a problem with having sex? You must think so because you don't, and likely never have.

>>46134476
The exact problem with lack of company guidelines. Cover prohibiting talent showing any skin whatsoever is supposed to prevent this.

>>46134556
your falseflagging is too high on rage bait.. try to make it less obvious

>>46127948
So, where are all my "reddit dragon good" brothers?
Surely these brothers still support reddit dragon and she was right in getting cover out of the nasty ccp that spent a fuck ton of money on hololive right?
Surely reddit dragon sacrifice was worth it and that she wasn't a mistake from the very beginning?

In this episode of Kson realizes the nature of the women streamer audience

>>46134617
>vtubing group who pride themselves on essentially being anime style onlyfans whores on twitch
i like the way you put this

>>46134405
No, she very clearly equates the two the entire time and moves on to "Woe is me and us for not getting as many views! Please, watch us more because it's bad if you don't!". Fuck that whole thing, I hate it. I don't care if you have a boyfriend or whatever, and you can do whatever you want, but crying about people wanting to watch women who don't talk about their personal lives/romantic lives all the time on stream while in their vtuber avatar is just fucking stupid.

if it's longer than two lines I don't read it

>>46134603
Veiba has fans? this is the girl who bashed Filian and others for having a cuter voice saying "sure you can like the knock offs but im the original"

Veiba isnt just a whore shes a bitch

>>46127948
I read this entire shit and holy fuck... What went wrong?

>>46134669
Removing chink influence from Hololive was probably the only good thing Coco ever did

>>46134603
Real "women" experience is basically that. Infinite cock carousel left and right while putting every male down. Then she settles at 30.

>>46134213
I don't know if you're trolling or not but the shit you post here ends up on Twitter which every vtuber reads. This board is not a secret club. Containment breaking has been the norm for years.

>>46134739
>What went wrong?
Western women.

>>46133716
Her husband is Kiryu. She literally cannot stop.
She jumped into an active buzzsaw to save Haachama.

>>46134798
>ends up on Twitter which every vtuber reads.
Maybe they should start listening then.

>>46134617
this is what happens when you base your vtuber knowledge entirely on bait threads

>>46134798
I try to be as hurtful as possible not sure how that's a win.

>>46134317
This is the real reason they had to cut their losses and get out. If you kowtow to the demands that dictate how you handle your company then you are trapped by them. It would only be a matter of time until something else happened and they needed to repeat the kowtowing again and again.

>>46134708
Can you quote where she complains about her views? Sounds like you just made it up.

>>46134603
> So what does this have to do with unicorns?
She just brought up unicorns in the first few minutes for no reason, just like she brought up "weeb".
It's a very weird and directionless rant basically, but the point she's trying to make is
> please don't shit on people who like non-idol VTuber girls (like VShojo)
> please don't take the industry back to the 4-kings level corporate slavery with your corpo worship

>>46127948
Why does she think she has any influence or say in this? She's in Vshoujo and collabs with males. By definition she is in a lower tier of vtubing that I'm not interested in. Only chuubas who don't collab with males are the top of the line, the cream of the crop vtubers. The ACTUAL vtubers. Those who collab with males are just skinwalkers.

As usual, America doesn't understand anything and seeks to destroy something beautiful.

>>46127948
>and she'll say this again on english dub next time
the ride never ends...
clippers and drama channels are eating good this week

>>46134901
numberthirdworlders have to insert le ccv into anything and everything

>>46134288
>"idol VTubing" is becoming mainstream and "in demand"
Where the fuck has she been for the last few years? Even Nijisanji has these people.
They didn't suddenly just spring up out of no where, They were here from the beginning.

>The girl who gives all their loyalty to the company and sponsors, turns her entire life into "idol", erases all traces of males.. not just males I guess, erases all their own desires, the type of girl who works like that... who tanks all the hate without a single complaint, cheering that type of girl is the "new weeb".
This is ironic considering she named her 1st anniversary 3D live "Idol Declaration" She's just a massive hypocrite spewing her garbage again.

>>46134669
Nice try chink.

>>46134139
Melody not hiding what she is Anon

>>46134740
RIP Civia, the only good one that outshines all of HoloEN combined in terms of being an idol and a streamer.

>>46134901
>Can you quote where she complains about her views?

>>46134937
Eilene back then was more creative than all these whores combined.

>This whole thread.

>>46134603
>Not wanting to jerk off to or fantasize about someone who is taken is normal.
If you stop watching a girl and simping for her because she's a whore then you're being an evil weeb unicorn incel. Don't you know every whore is entitled to your money and attention and if you don't give it to her then you're literally committing ultra mega turbo genocide?

>>46134937
that's an extremely charitable interpretation of what she said, and if that's what she was actually trying to say then she failed

>>46135016
you're literally getting mad at the translator's own made up additions

>>46129568
Based. My male viewership is tied to fleshtubers and I’m not about to watch male vtubers, especially corporate ones, who aren’t allowed to be as creative or entertaining as the male fleshtuber. I have never been interested in watching an anime man as opposed to liking the gimmick of anime women streaming. So if a bitch wants to bring on the males I just gotta drop em and move on.

>>46134937
>4 kings time was, by far and with no argument, the most creative time for vtubers ever
>Vshojo is the least creative vtubing company possible
So she clearly doesn't actually care about being creative and just doesn't want idol-like vtubers to be the norm?

>>46133568
>act like a whore
>get called a whore
>does a stream with that Jap girl from the Yakuza auditions with a TENGA in the thumbnail and kson grabs her boobs and she kisses kson.
>why you call us whores.
lol.

>>46131262
I believe it was Coco dealing with the Chinese antis herself. I encourage you to go back a few years and check for yourself.

>>46135025
Bullshit, Yogiri was the only good one.
If not for Artia and the others the disconnect might have gone more smoothly, but spurring the Chinese to keep up their attacks in an attempt to save their own skin just killed any hope any HoloCN had of keeping their model and names.

How is the member who do cam shows the better one?

>>46127948
>stop being an anti to girls with bfs
She's right, I completely agree, just stop watching them and see their numbers fall kek

>>46134478
In the golden age of twitch, i forgot who said that being a successful streamer, you need have one of three: be really fucking skilled at what you do, be really funny/personable/creative, or have your tits out. There are like one or two "skilled" females i can think of, like hafu, there are a couple really funny and personable women out there that succeeded without coomerbait, but the vast majority of female streamers succeeded by getting their tits and ass out, even the ones who succeeded because of personality and building a brand. If you are not bringing a unique and fun streaming experience, you will coomerbait unless you are fine with being a 2view. This is not unique to twitch, this happens in vtubing as well. Look at what is happening with VSJ and nijiEN. Kson's rant wasn't wholly about weebs or unicorns. It's about this
>>46134678
Ding ding ding
>>46135177
Also ding ding ding

Im not reading that because its longer the fucking bible, OP. even if i wanted to read the bible, it will be in vain, for god will never visit /vt/

>>46135242
That's the funniest irony in all of Vshojo

>>46135185
>>why you call us whores.
No idea.

This is probably about Nazuna and VShojo and then she's seen what's happened with Kanata and just added her own bullshit sprinkle about it.

Kekson hasn't changed a single thing except she's in vshojo instead of hololive, but everyone thinks she's wrong. If she made the same rant in hololive I bet everyone would be licking her fat dragon tits praising her for "being so brave"

>>46135194
Fubuki had a big Chinese anti problem too after she refused to bow down to the zhangs that wanted her to betray Coco, but it was no where near as bad and Cover wasn’t encouraging her to quit like they did will Coco via typical Japanese window tribe tactics.

>>46134288
>Problem is, anything that's not hololive eventually ends up in twitch whore tier coomerbaiting, nothing "creative" has come out of the non-Hololive chuuba industry in the past two years, and the creative types outside of Hololive like Mayuzumi are leaving the hobby in droves.
I honestly think we should just accept that the hobby, while not dead, is looking at it's shelf life in the eye.
The pandemic is over and many people have gone back into work full time or part time.
The world has opened back up and the time to spend on vtubers is just not there as it was before.
On top of that, we're seeing household names and legends drop like flies (Kizuna Ai "going on hiatus" essentially a sign the hobby has peaked) and we're seeing an obsessive over-saturation. It's like we're in the early 2010s again where EVERYBODY wanted to become the next big Let's player.
And now there's pretty much only two options now. A.) Go full idol or B.) Coombait and spam shitty brain rotting zoomer memes.

Hobby isn't dead yet but it's sick and it's not getting any better.

>>46135275
Kson is a pastor now....the pastor of anti-unicorns.

>>46135259
Yes, but a lot of the time the same women will complain loudly that people are assholes for leaving when they do do something like revealing their significant other.

>>46134732
She seems to hate every other vtuber huh? I knew she was a grifter that didn't actually care about vtubing the moment she didn't interact with the majority of the indie scene and barely collabing with anyone outside Vshojo unlike the other girls.

>>46135358
Let them seethe, they won't get their numbers back

>>46135016
I don't think her beef is with idol chuubing in particular (she reiterates many times that business is business), she's a bit schizo in thinking that mainstream chuuba fans favoring more "restrained" or "restricted" chuubas will lead to the end of "Freedom" within VTubing, or some such.
It's honestly a bit of a slippery slope fallacy, and calling out people who call a whore a whore is not the right way to address it either.

What happened to Coco?
How did it come to this?

>>46135438
Talent freedom.

>>46135438
Got Grima Wormtongue'd by Vshojo

>>46135398
>she's a bit schizo in thinking that mainstream chuuba fans favoring more "restrained" or "restricted" chuubas will lead to the end of "Freedom" within VTubing, or some such.
But the opposite has never ever been true, corpos and "restricted" vtubers have been at the top since the beginning, so her complaint doesn't make any sense.

>>46135317
Only unity fags. Day 1 I have been critical to EN saying it could never work.

>>46135398
>chuubas will lead to the end of "Freedom" within VTubing, or some such.
And where are these freedom chuubas? Get VShojo to sign them up if they exist, She's chatting bubbles like usuak.

>>46135538
She's bitching because she's on the other team now and making less/dealing with coworkers who are constantly complaining about dumb drama shit all day.

>>46135438
Coco is already seen as an outspoken and somewhat divisive person, but still remembered for her better days. As such she wants to help others and is willing to let herself get dragged through the mud for it since she already has people that hate her anyway. She isn’t always right or smart but she is always well meaning.

>>46135398
is not idol itself but rather idol chubbas are the dominating thing of the industry.
imo becasue vshojo hasnt done anything with their popularity.
hololive is a place of rules but also hardwork. dance, singing lessons,birthday celebrations.
if she wants people to not call vs girl whore OR AT LEAST THEY NOT BE COMPARED TO IDOLS vshojo needs to pull the same shit holo girls do on a semiregular basis.
kson and mouse both have had some form of lives but the rest arent interesting in ahving something simialr or of that quaity. You will get a collab with some fleshstreamers at most.

>>46135602
It's wild. I feel a bit bad for her, let those faggots who are truly upset speak up, it's their job/income that they're protecting. I'm not advocating for her to ignore everyone, but you don't have to fight every fucking crusade for everyone else.

>>46134798
lmao are you serious? If you really like wasting your time reading whats said about 'you' in here then dont take it seriously. If you do it is your fault.
Almost no one here goes out of their way to shit on your garbage stream. Thats a problem between you and the audience you cultivated.

>>46135538
the problem is inies are now on decline.

>>46132642
>when she said she's not going to collab with Tempus
Kronii absolutely could have handled that situation better, but what really gets people's goats about her situation is that it was a /here/ schizo who opened up the can of worms in the first place by falseflagging as a StarsFan asking for homo collabs, and contrary to popular groupthink, she said she was open to the idea if they asked her. She never outright said that she wouldn't collab with them; people just assumed after the previous year of her never talking about Stars in any capacity that it was very unlikely to happen.

>>46127948
>Watch whores talk about the most disgusting things possible and brag about how many cocks they have taken while also being a cunt to their fans or they will cease to exist!
Oh no, anyway.

This is about as useful as telling drug addicts to do better.
She fundamentally misunderstands why idols are a thing; its not that mentally ill men take a popular girl and force her to follow his standards; its that girls who would not be popular on their talent alone are groomed into and identity purposely tailored to appeal to obssesive men who will throw money at them just for enabling their mania.

>>46135602
Feels like she has a condescending "I know better" attitude. Like she hears someone having complications at their job and then just replies with "Just quit then" without giving much thought to the nuances of the issue.

>>46135291
She isn't coomerbaiting because she is masturbating

>>46135438
Where now are the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?
Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing?
Where is the harp on the harpstring, and the red fire glowing?
Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing?
They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow;
The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow.
Who shall gather the smoke of the deadwood burning,
Or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning?

>>46135918
I shed a tear

Seriously these niggers are mad because they were told it's wrong to harass their oshis?
Jesus

love you souchou
genuinity is getting kinda rare in this industry

>>46132890
>>46132642
>Mori has never said she's not going to collab with males, so whenever she collabs with tempus, almost nobody minds it.
Mori was already hated and seen as divisive long before Tempus, her stupidity there was just a drop in the bucket. Baelz would be the better example. Even there she got some grief for it and her numbers were terrible compared to other girls, but after how poorly Kronii, Ame and Mori handled things it made her look great in comparison.
>>46135729
Kronii’s problem was how she had a membership stream where she said one thing (only collab if they reach out, won’t stream my view, won’t interact on twitter etc) and then immediately changed her mind and flipped out at people who were upset by her doing it. Her handling of the situation let her mask slip and really made people hate her.

>>46136193
>because they were told it's wrong to harass their oshis?
that wasnt the main focus of the talk unfortunately.

>>46135885
>Like she hears someone having complications at their job and then just replies with "Just quit then" without giving much thought to the nuances of the issue.
Not the best example as she convinced other Holos like Haachama not to quit during all the drama.

>>46135143
I understand, but generally if someone is trying to say something they will usually say it, even if it's covered with 100 layers of misdirections, tangents and bullshit.
Those two points are what I felt she wanted to communicate to her audience the most, along with her growing fear of "idol vtubing" becoming the mainstream among western chuuba fans (who used to - according to her - be more supporting and freedom-oriented about what chuubas could do).

>>46136193
dishonest faggot

>>46128324
yeah me

>>46136193
Yes. That's one of the main points.

>>46131107
Then why are you here anon? It is basically what this site is for

>>46129453
Placenta eating stream.

>>46134678
After reading it, maybe she got into a quarrel with one mod just like that pic and vented out

>>46132399
Just keep falseflagging and homobegging her supas and her socials until she male collabs then I’ll drop her. You have some more work to do, ok buddy?

>>46133590
>but it's unicorns that are always shit-stirrers who complain and feel entitled
Yet its been literally the opposite with Nazuna most recently.

>>46130277
China fired her she didn’t quit. Haachama and fubuki just got a little hazing. She never broke any rules Rushia broke a rule and was terminated. The Chinese branch was terminated for agreeing with china, such a big surprise patriotism, but she was not fired she thought she was bigger than she is. Things are expensive and she’s not good with expenses so she ran to vshojo. As Kson she’s made multiple unprovable statements for 3rd parties and it always sums up to I’m great they love me but have no power to say being an anti is wrong. Holo/Niji joint statement against slander even small corpos having lawyers against slander. Being an anti is now not wanting to watch a stream anymore because it’s not what you like

>>46134678
My favorite is when that type of person sits there in denial and refuses to admit they watch the streamer because they want to have a cute woman pay attention to them. There's no way a decent chunk of vtuber fans are not of this mentality.

>>46134235
coco has a fucking dogshit understanding of western culture yet claims to get us. she doesn't. fucking retard.

>>46134646
fucking a dog is not hygienic, anon

>>46135344
The frustrating part is that there COULD be new things.
RTS chuubas, chuubas that play obscure games, chuuba groups playing legit TTRPGs, group co-op adventure games, and all sorts of stuff are just THERE, waiting for someone to come along and pick them up.
The idol-coombait duality is artificial because most of the current gen chuubas are in it for the clout, and naturally look towards the fastest way to fame.

Which is where KSon COULD make a difference... dumpster dive 2view channels that do creative shit --> feature them on your channel --> get more eyeballs on them, while also serving as content for your channel.
It's been two years since she's gone indie, and her interactions with indies has so far been -
> playing the same games holos do
> letting them do a watchalong of her subpar "idol concert"
> buying one of them equipment after they lost their house in an earthquake
All good things, but none of the chuubas features in any of these instances were "creative" in any way... watchalongs can't do shit to express creativity, buying a 2view equipment does no good if the 2view themselves doesn't show off anything creative with it and playing the same games holos do but with indies, is again only going to show your audience a lite-version of Hololive.

>>46136420
That particular "convo" was fake, actually

>>46127948
She really is huh.

So sad to see kson fall so hard. I was joking at first but I think porn might be a better answer for her.

>>46136743
she 100% would do it and then claim it's "empowering" somehow. more like she'd only like the fact that it'd piss off whatever 5% of her original tatsunoko remain out of spite.

>>46134775
Porn has irreparably damaged your perception of the opposite sex. I wish you well.

>>46133568
They are whores. If this upsets them then they can simply change their behavior, or learn to accept the label. Besides, what’s so upsetting about being called a whore when being a whore shows how much talent freedom you have? Isn’t talent freedom a good thing they should wear their titles with pride, dumb Whores.

>>46136632
>there COULD be new things
is an uphill battle
niche games dont trive on twitch and twitch enviroment needs you to leech of biggers persons.
onthe other side you need to do some really amaing work or marketing for starting on youtube. Kson cant save every 2view there needs to be a change of viewers behavior too.
not just "dont watch only idols" but rather "lets go back to watch girls playing games" which imo is the main issue. The streaming enviroment or culture moved away from streaming games.

>>46136856
and wouldn't you know it, a potential EN3 is what the majority of the fanbase is waiting for in order to resolve this problem.
indies could have squeezed in so many different viewers in the time it took since council debuted.

>>46136193
Is it not harassment when anti-unicorn/anti-idol faggots go constantly bug and pick on girls who don't do male collabs too? Swings both ways and in fact Nazuna and Kanata are taking more shit from western twitter faggots with toothpaste flags than they ever did from unicorns. The unicorns are the ones actually supporting bankrolling them and they are quite aware of it.

>>46136955
based kiryu

>>46136812
I honestly wish she'd just join Melody on the virtual camgirl thing. Her model is hot as fuck ngl and she'd be the first in the second legit virtual camgirl in the company.

>>46128701
more I think about it less can understand why she left
everything is the same but now she doesn't have Yagoo to save her ass for the zhangs and get alot of antis for dumb the blue dorito

>>46134254
It’s not cemented to one region. Vtubing is inherently sexual with a majority of the avatars in Niji or Holo or Phase or Idol or Stars or Tempus being made to be physically attractive. So when the time comes that intergender collabs come to those vtubers who made a lot of their numbers pandering to the opposite sex and/or homosexuals, people get pissy. I get it though. I don’t give a fuck about watching any male Vtuber unless they look like women because I never got into this shit to look at a dudes avatar. Sometimes it can really be that simple for the monkey brain.

>>46136615
>coco has a fucking dogshit understanding of western culture yet claims to get us.
Kson is an Asian-American from Atlanta, Georgia. She is Western.
She is right that being a Weeaboo and being a Unicorn are not synonymous, you can be one without the other. I do think that generally idols shouldn’t have boyfriends and should limit male contact, though it doesn’t need to be a lifetime gig. I also don’t think all vtubers need to be idols. But even the ones that don’t want to be idols, if they are seeking easy money via simpbux then that is their choice and they should be aware of which side their bread is buttered and who is buttering it.
As others said the translation does make it seem like her feelings were not entirely put together and she was rambling, but she was right about a lot of things.

>>46137184
People can simply not watch the male collabs if they're not interested though. The idea that the woman is now tarnished because of it is retarded and possessive

>>46137276
She grew up in the US but doesn't actually understand Western internet culture much. She's actually a prime weeb herself considering she didn't actually need to lean on her Japanese side so much but did, to the point of moving back to Japan and streaming only in Japanese. I've known Japanese Americans who barely can even speak the language. I've known ones (quarter rather than half however) who literally don't speak it at all. Coco isn't neutral here.

>>46137314
Some people don't like it when a vtuber willfully does something she knows her fans will hate.

>>46137394
Gee it's almost like mocking your customers or willfully dividing them up because you hate some of them is a bad idea. This is an impossible fact for most female streamers to comprehend, however.

>>46127948
Reminder that Jesus came from the chosen race

>>46136856
> rather "lets go back to watch girls playing games" which imo is the main issue. The streaming enviroment or culture moved away from streaming games.
Even that is limiting though. Vtubers had done game streams but it wasn’t the default of expectation. Kizuna AI had game streams but non-game videos too. Even Hololive was initially not gaming focused, that (and a nepotism excuse) is why they had a GAMERS generation once they realized the potential. Subaru has famously said that she didn’t plan on playing games at all initially and wasn’t expected to do so.

>>46135242
To my knowledge, Mel hasn’t given false expectations to potential viewers and fans alike. The other girls have. Easy as that. To not get assblasted by retards online all Mel had to do was not make any false promises or lead people to a false conclusion as to what the contents of her stream are.

>>46128701
Oh. That actually sucks.

>>46137478
You know why it changed? Because playing video games is pretty much one of the only interesting things you can do as a streamer, and the only thing really open to Hololive because they aren't going to react to Youtube videos or talk about politics