/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

No, slavery is based and I will lead he revolution to bring it back to my country.

>>46120037
yes

>>46120037
Some 3rd wolder SEAfag is gonna see this and shit the pagpag he just ate in anger

>>46120037
Who? I am sorry I don't watch anyone who dips below 5k CCV.

>>46120037
But slavery implies the free labor? They're getting paid.

Chairman Xi, fire when ready

What the fuck is this about

>>46120037
Of course

>having rules to follow at your six figure job is the exact same as slavery

>>46120037
>I'm trying so hared to get rid of slavery my fellow weebs!
All she's done is become a flesh streamer and go on fishing trips.
Stop acting like the saviour of corpo V-Tubers, Everyone is tired of this act.

I hope she helps the Hologirls to become free like she did with Russia.

>>46120156
Who is this blonde bitch

I'm inclined to agree with her on a moral level, but considering all the shit going on in the world comparing authoritarian vtuber companies to slavery is over the top. Maybe something is getting lost in translation.

>>46120037
Oh nyo the girl has to put in the smallest amount of effort to keep her easy job?! The easiest amount of effort there is to not collab with males because literally no one likes it?! The horror! Women are something else man.

>>46120156
Good QA from business. Don't understand the point of Kson here.

Is she comparing herself to people who didn't had an option to be a slave? Did she just pulled a Kanye? She gets showered with money. Slaves only got less lashes from slave owners for doing their labor. What in the actual fuck.

>>46120037
Not a vtuber. Offtopic thread.

>>46120203
Women

>>46120351
Yea she's going full retard.
Since being rich apparently is suffering because you may have to sometimes follow rules.

>>46120125
Bend over faggot

>>46120037
What the fuck is she talking about? Nijisanji? Because Cover's so hands-off that their talent are practically on their own and girls like Gura can get away with not even streaming.

>>46120037
is she calling cover slavery

We desperately need a branch of all-asexual VTubers because straight girls can't be trusted

>>46120037
She is the one wanting slaves here. She wants audience to never have any expectations and just accept any stupid thing chuuba does. She wants them to be literally slaves.

>>46120506
Yes

I wish i was in slavery earning six figures.

>>46120618
Nah she doesn't want slaves she wants simps!
Remember the Simp don't just watch they dump mountains of money to the person no matter what they do for the faintest hope they'll acknowledge them
People here do remember what simps are right?

>>46120037
what the fuck is she talking about? it's a fucking job, if you act like a retard people will stop paying you, and if you don't like it just fucking quit, what fucking slavery?
what a fucking retarded entitled bitch

>>46120037
It's a metaphor, like calling someone a "corporate slave" or saying someone is "a slave to an ideology", etc.
Go be woke somewhere else.

>>46120259
Kson think corpo vtuber is slavery

>>46120037
Kekson is really the epitome of “you died a hero and still live long enough to become a villain.

>>46120712
I think we may be discovering she's a libertarian or being rich has finally gotten to her head.

There's no male ban in Holo.
There's no boyfriend ban (They wouldn't show it even if they had one)
This is just the audience Holo has attracted and profited and became popular from, These people also exist in Nijisanji but to a lesser aggresive extent.
V-Tuber is a parasocial medium by nature so it's normal that some fans will feel this way.

>>46120765
>>/#/

>>46120350
The west rules because of no rules, do not pay attention to the fact that people gravitate towards corporate vtubers because of the rules they're constrained by

>>46120783
What does any of this has to do with the topic of this thread?

>>46120733
>I have to request permissions to play games and this code of conduct says I can't talk about politics or act like a complete slut THIS IS LITERAL SLAVERY

>>46120037
COME KSON!!! I WILL ACCOMPANY YOU AND KILL ALL OPPRESSORS!!! SLAVERY SHALL NOT BE TOLERATED

>>46120872
Watch her stream you bozo.

>>46120037
Kson what the fuck are you talking about

>>46120947
No thanks lmao

>>46120793
Dude, if you're going to claim yourself to be Vtubing Jesus, you need the numbers.

>>46121009
You are not a Vtuber, Henry.

>>46121009
Jesus was a 2view, he only had a handful of followers, read the book retard

>>46120037
Was she drunk?

>>46120904
I mean.

>>46120947
>Please watch Kson, bro
Pass

>>46121060
I am not Henry, faggot.

>>46121067
What's Kson's crucifixion look like?

>>46121112
the graduation of coco

>>46121067
Says in the book he had thousands of followers but then he yab'd and was left with only 12. Then after he was terminated he redebuted and those 12 followers went about gaining him billions of followers.

>>46121067
No, he had many followers but only a few of them were membered and could receive menshi content. Unfortunately for Jesus they were all leakfags.

>>46120947
Nah, I'd rather watch some 2view then hear Mickey Mouse talk about retarded shit.

>>46121143
So post-crucifixion, she needs the numbers. See >>46121168

>>46120125
Argentinians are not white, stop already.

>>46120037
This bitch has an insane messiah complex, she is not changing the industry, she is not saving anyone, she will accomplish nothing.
>Following simple guidelines to make lots of money is slavery
RETARDED WHORE
>Saying this shit when she's friends with Mel, Noel, Mori, Kanata, Towa

She simultaneously has a point while also being an idiot.

>>46120783
>There's no male ban in Holo
>Fubuki literally sings along with the stars
Where do you "people" come from

>>46121189
fucking Peter ruined it for all the mems. even fucking KFP called him out upon his denial

>>46121319
Learn to read before calling me out ya fucking whopper.

>>46121319
retardchama...

I honestly think Kson's really cool when she's still in Hololive, What the fck happened to her?

>>46120459
Its not even like Cover was the worst company out there. There's leagues worse examples out there like WACTOR, and Anykara has its instances of full on black company leaking out in public view.

>>46120369
Kek, vstat kick her out of vtuber today. She as of now, not consider a vtuber.

>>46120125
Based

>>46120037
>Four score and seven cocks ago....

>>46121386
her ego increased tremendously

>>46121386
That's how she was all the time, but when she was a "slave" you just didn't see that.

Oh no they're such slaves to their millions they're swimming in how terrible.

Keep personal life and your vtuber persona separate, dont mix them or create a lack of differentiation between the two.
People have the right to watch what they want to and not watch what they dont want to. As a producer of content you either need to follow what your viewers want or die.

>>46121444
So she was a "slave" when she didn't do collabs with the Holostars, or was that just a personal choice? She sure missed a great opportunity to stick it to those "unicorns" she hates so much.

seething unicorns LEMAO

>>46121470
>die
No, you simply build your viewerbase. If you do not want unicorns just build your content to not cater to them and instead offer something else. It's that simple.

>>46120037
So this is what she means. She wants to wipe out unicorns.

>>46121335
Reminder there was only one leakfag and Peter wasn't it, he just didn't want the greys to shit on him.

>>46120350
No it's bad business in the entertainement world. Kson's point is that nobody has cared about Mirai Akari for years now.
You need to have a big degree of freedom for the chuubas for them to at their best or sometimes. Too much control by the company is counter productif: they play it too safe for not gain at all and sometimes loss

>if you don't like male collabs you support slavery
>talent freedom btw
Has she always been this bad?

>>46121552
Of course pretending to be a gf and making lonely men pay you is the simplest that takes the least effort but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

>>46121401
Seriously that's what's making me so confused as WACTOR is legit black company shit but having limited restrictions is apparently slavery.

>>46121407
>Kek, vstat kick her out of vtuber today
No way really? Kek if true.

>>46121279
If corpos putting restrictions on vtubers will eventually destroy vtubing, then I’ll gladly help. If there are no corpos in vtubing anymore, then vtubing will have lost most of its appeal.
Like, I really don’t care if someone’s in a corpo or an indie. Hell, I even watch indies sometimes. But I watch different vtubers in different corpos precisely because I like the choice. If everyone was an indie, all you’d see is people being “slaves” to the algorithm anyway as they just try to copy who’s popular. It costs money and requires risk to do something different that isn’t popular yet but could be. That’s one of the reasons we have corpos.
I don’t watch kson, though. I could never get into her while Coco was still in Hololive and I couldn’t find the appeal after Coco’s graduation either. Maybe she should think about that if she genuinely thinks everyone should be like her.

COCO LOVE
KSON HATE

>>46120194
Liar. You're not sorry at all.

>>46121552
>If you do not want unicorns just build your content to not cater to them
And then you take a financial hit because unicorns are big spenders

>>46121557
Kek what a retard

>>46121557
I mean Kanata was upset about her oshi getting married

Yeah, I support the slavery of all women.

>>46120037
it's sad that the retards have to focus on this so they don't have to deal with the main theme of the stream, which is the normalization of the toxic behavior of the Japanese schizo adopted by the foreign fanbase

>>46121688
i'm glad Kanata don't live with this atrocious being anymore..., i didn't expect Kikeson to turn out to be this rotten.

>>46120037
So if you keep supporting corpo vtubers(lets be real that what she's saying here) you're contributing to the death of vtubing? She says this while being part of the corpo of grifter whores who will dump vtubing as soon as they are bored and go back to being flesh streamers. Hell, Nyanners is doing it already.

>I will get paid millions while playing videogames from my basement AND I will also suck dicks on stream
>denying me that is literally SLAVERY you disgusting virgin incels now keep paying me
the reason why Hololive is so fucking popular is not because of the anime PNG on screen but because they don't act like average Twitch ethots. They play vidya and act cute instead of talking about sex nonstop and how much cock they got in their teenage years. And if this sounds like incel talk trust me, I hang around tons of brodudes while hiding my powerlevel and they are as mysoginistic and jealous as your average /r9k/ tard.
The yesmen and doormats on Twitter fighting to liberate the poor and opressed Vtubers are most likely the ones not getting any pussy and the ones that would get an "ew!" when meeting their oshi irl.
Personally I don't care about this crap, Hololive delivers a certain kind of content and I want it to stay the same. Adding dudes disrupts that content as proved by Nijisanji. It's strictly professional.

>>46121688
She had an outright stream of screaming and playing "Beat the Meat" then went on a break for a few days to "Mourn"

>>46120037
>reeeee how dare you expect me to follow rules for a job so I don't tank my companies future by scaring away investors reeeeeee
I can't wait for AI to fully replace women.

>>46121407
I that some unknown numbernigger site? lmao

>>46121725
she probably shouldn't be the one to argue this topic. its like letting a drugged out hooker argue for libertarianism

>>46120652
Which video.

>>46121687
>And then you take a financial hit because unicorns are big spenders
Yes so what?
No one is entitled to get money from internet strangers. This market is literally built on getting money from lonely single men. If you don't want them in your fanbase then just don't. You can't cry about unicorns and then cry about them not giving you money at the same time, that's bs.
If you want to make art no one wants to pay for then tough luck, that's most artists on the internet.

>>46121759
You faggots were told again and again yet you wouldn't acknowledge you were wrong. What was her talent before this, saying motherfucker on camera?

>>46120203
Wage slavery is a thing. In Japanese there is the term 社畜 (lit. company livestock), translated as corporate slave.
I am not defending what KSON said, I am just saying the concept "if they receive wage, they can't be slaves" is a bit outdated.
Imagine providing a home and enough food for your slave worker and call it a benefit, calculate the costs, put it on a salary slip, there you go, your slave has a wage.

>>46121335
>even fucking KFP called him out upon his denial
okay credit due that's fucking gold.

>>46121603
No, it's good business in entertainment. There's been various insanity on the internet over simple and trivial things, like baseball.

Having a way to deflect the blame off the entertainer and ensure the entertainer doesn't do something dumb is the best thing for the business.

See: Kson
See: Rushia
See: Pikamee

Should these have happened? No. But they did.

Does anyone remember back when pre-2019 vtubing was about anything but politics?

Good times.

>>46121779
>I hang around people like me and they all agree with me!
Woah, dude, profound.

>>46120037

Is it about that Rushia - unicorns war?
>>45969682

This form of media would not be the way it is today if there wasn’t a core group of people who actually enjoy the kayfabe and built up the system of expectations that kson hates so much (collabing with the other gender hurts your views, being yourself hurts your growth, etc.).
If you’re in vtubing because you can’t make it as a fleshtuber, maybe shut the fuck up and just dance like the monkey you chose to be. Is she jealous that some people actually enjoy this and can thus endure it enough to get way more success than Twitch indies who don’t want to do even the tiniest of kayfabe? This ill-planned crusade isn’t going to change that.

>>46120037
>Nooo you can't just work for a company and get a paycheck and salary!!
>That's slavery!

>>46121557
>I have no problem with reaping the benefits of gachikois.
>But when it doesn't benefit me, that's a problem.

>>46121688
Poor Kanata, she also referenced the marriage in her music video so I wonder if she ever got over it

>>46121759
>>46121688
>>46121802
probably the reason for the stream is because kanata is being harassed by the unicorns for participating in a stream where men participate.

>>46121890
Holos are in no way comparable to wage slaves. Every single one of them is financially set for life if they invest it well and they have the workload of a part timer.

>>46121976
dude unicorns are like 90% defending her for acting like an autist in that collab, stop gaslighting shit

>>46121688
>>46121802
Not sure that'd be considered "troublemaker" teebeehaitch.
Sounds more like the gachikoi part that >>46121557 says she's fine with.

>>46121655
She's gone

>>46120037
I see how it is. Kson the southerner knows that blacks had it too well under slavery, she's trying to bring back "indentured servitude" where Irish were slaughtered like flies.

The south will rise again.

>>46121976
Kanata dug her own hole. It was literally a nothingburger she had to escalate.

>>46121890
Write it in kana or romaji please I can't learn new vocab when it's in moon hieroglyphics

>>46121844
his 2 best friends are being harassed by unicorns, that is reason enough.

Where's the og video

>>46120037
>born in America
>muh slavery
like a pottery

>>46122039
He seems to be the typical sister/beggar, everybody is to blame except them.

>>46121828
It is pretty much THE number site in Japan now.

Funny when she works in a company that dictates what the talent can and cannot play and what platforms they can and cannot stream on.

>>46120037
I knew Coco was bad news as soon as I found out she was a westoid.

>>46122109
she may be pouring gasoline on a fire. it really is better to shut up sometimes

>>46122119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScVSeQ4UswY
And the entire mad ravings from her.

>>46121976
Or you know, another reasonable take would be, nazuna having a shitshow with her anti unicorn and she siding with her unicorn and being pragmatic with her decision. This happen yesterday or 2 days ago i think.

>>46122207
was she drunk or did mental illness finally got her?

Fucking slaves, get your ass back here!

>>46121890
If you no one is using force/violence to do something then is not slavery. Japanese salaymen are in that position thanks to their own conformism. And there are plenty of Japanese people that are their own bosses specially the ones living away from Tokyo.

>>46121867
>No one is entitled to get money from internet strangers.
Vtubers like Kson think they are. They tell unicorns to fuck off and then cry when their numbers drop because the unicorns fucked off. They want to be whores but not suffer any consequences for being whores.

>>46122243
Yes.

>>46121976
Its hard to tell if its even "unicorns" that are bothering Kanata or if its just a few antis/trolls just fucking with her. Unless the complaining "unicorn" names match up 1:1 with every single whale/oilbaron in her chat, I'm probably going to just assume its anti's/trolls.
Really its the anti-unicorns that are the worrying issue since they keep pestering Kanata over it, even Nazuna as of recent. It's not even like they contribute much financially to the streamers, usually 5-10 dollars or so every once in a blue moon. They always go "YAASSSSS QUEEN GO OFF" but they never stick around to support the chuuba after that, either in terms of view counts or donations for the chuuba to make a living.

>>46122039
>unicorns are like 90% defending
so the unicorns are defending her from other unicorns that are harassing her?
Wouldn't it be better if the unicorns didn't harass her in the first place?

>>46122082
You can't even copy-paste the word or use some add-on to help you?
You should also get familiar with methods to look up Kanji in case you can't copy-paste. Educate and improve yourself.

>>46122284
No one cares about fucking unicorns but unicorns.

>>46122307
Most unicorns will silently leave if they feel betrayed, They might leave a message but the MAJORITY will just go elsehwere, The trolls RP as Unicorns because it's fucking easy to imitate and people will percieve them to be the majority and that gets picked up by outsiders who believe it at face value.

>>46121960
>being yourself hurts your growth
Kindly requesting some elaboration on this part. Chubas are consistently cringe as shit on debut when they're focused on conforming to a role and hit their stride once they get comfortable letting the mask slip a little.

>>46122260
AAAAIIIIIEEEEE GOMENASAI
PLEASE ANYTHING BUT MINECRAFT

>>46121976
She's the biggest unicorn in hololive

>>46122243
Maybe she's on the Lean. After all she did met the Lean Queen yesterday

>>46122323
not only unicorns, anti-unicorns also harass her because she acts like an autist in that collab, something something disrespectful

>>46121890
Look for a different job this is the most retarded mindset imaginable imagine doing a service and getting paid to do it then bitching endlessly because the work is "hard" Jesus fucking christ Japanes people are autistic

>>46122399
>No one cares about fucking unicorns but unicorns.
So you're saying Kson's a unicorn?

>>46121725
What the fuck are we supposed to do about it? Watch shitty content we don’t like to stick it to the schizos? I genuinely do not give a shit about unicorns. Frankly, I think it would be nice if vtubers could both make a lot of streams and do the occasional male collab if they want without this board going insane. But in EN, “collabs with males” tends to be highly correlated with the kind of content I don’t like from vtubers, so most of the vtubers I do pay attention to just don’t collab with males.
So yes, even if corpo vtubing were “slavery”, I guess I’ll enable it because I prefer the content the “slaves” make. The fewer “emancipated” vtubers’ content start going to shit, the more likely I’ll be to support them. That doesn’t include kson.

>>46121557
I am not going to watch your streams if you stream with men and do nothing but flirt. If a friend asked me to come hang out and he brought a girl along and he did nothing but hit on her the whole time I would go home too.

>3 graduations and 2 terminations in 5 years
>get to take breaks any time for any reason
>still make a six figure income
This is EXACTLY the same as picking cotton for 14 hours a day and being forcibly separated from your family at auctions.

>>46121557
So she wants to wipe out Kanata? Wow what a bitch

90% of the money donated to vtubers goes to someone else. 35% to company, 35% as taxes, 15% to youtube, 5% to monkey. How are they meant to support their children?

>>46120920
As if Spartacus wouldn't also call her out on her own slavery tactics. He wouldn't ally with anyone but people as crazy as he is.

>>46122207
Huh. This sounds a lot more reasonable when not cherry-cropped.
Shocking.

>>46122323
Kanata's unicorns defend her from the unicorns of other talents (?

don't forget that they are all tribalfags.

Why is Kson always so retarded when it's about Kanata or Nazuna? There was literally no point to that shit beyond feeding the trolls.

>>46122687
>5% to monkey

>>46121072
Holo talents do a lot of lewd shit though i think the company accepts everything as long as it's not something retarded like politics which nobody fucking wants in vtubing if you do that say buy to your audiance.

>>46122724
>he unironically read all of it

>>46122771
For being peko monkey, Jill is richer than all of us.

>>46121976
She fucking isn't faggot watch stremes calologue nigger

>>46122687
Stop using Moris retarded unfounded graph for mathematical support on your argument dumbass.

>>46120037
VShojo Karen incoming. Kson about to emancipate her from that oppressive "waitress" job she hates. She's probably genuinely stupid/mentally unstable enough to do it

>>46122207
Way too long but literally nobody is talking about this shit on the Japanese internet. It's nowhere near a controversy. It's already getting a bit tiresome but she doesn't know of Amerimutt woke shit and its censorship at all so her criticism doesn't make any sense as usual. Simply it's completely out of date. She needs to update her mutt info. Otherwise honestly she isn't worth attention anymore.

>>46122534
>Watch shitty content we don’t like to stick it to the schizos?
Yes. We're all supposed to watch Kson and simp for her purely to prove a point and pwn da unicornz. That's how entitled, politics-brained westernized women think.

>>46122207
who the fuck this bitch think she is? the creator of vtubers? the creator of japanese culture? the creator of idols?
im being genuine here, really honest to goodness asking

>>46120037
>if vtubing isn't the way I want it to be, it's all over
what an entitled whore

>>46122307
No unicorn will unironically make a sciene over just being on the same servers as a male she didn't even participate in the end MC for some reason it's just flaseflagger and nijiniggers

>>46122554
Turns out, vtuber audiences all have different tastes and preferences! I too don’t like to be a third wheel. Even yuri if it’s overdone makes me feel like that, but the bar for when that gets annoying is going to be higher for me, a straight male who’s a weeb, because of course it is. But the main point is that feeling like a third wheel in general is annoying. If it happens to be in a collab where the two vtubers are opposite genders, of course getting third wheeled is going to be even more annoying to a lot of viewers because of the flirting.

>>46122902
Lol, no. Her behaviour and her attitude have shift 180 degree. It look like holo is her home now and with access to future mocap studio, you have to be retarded to graduate and missing that out.

>>46121407
When will it kick out Nyanners?

>>46122899
I did my own research on the subject with the help of japanese experts in the field during my stay in Japan. Take Fubuki for example. She's living in a cardboard box house under a bridge. I even gave her a few dozen yen to get her back on her feet. It's just the sad reality of vtubers.

>>46122207
Well good news to all you EOP in this board, she gonna make another same rant but in ENGLISH, so you can cringe in real time.

>>46121894
Anon, in the Vtubing industry if you don't let the entertainer do what they want in some mesure 1 you don't get a business because your chuuba will become a corporate "who?"2 they'll end up quitting.
Which is exactly what happened to Mirai Akari.
If every vtuber were under similar rules that she was: you'd get No Ai-chan, no Tsukino Mito, No Coco therefore no HoloMyth and therefore.
no Niji EN. The game changing individuals are always people that are pushing the limits forward.
Then again you do need some rules. Companies like Cover and Anycolor are a nice middle ground between what talents can and can't do. But if all of the sudden these rules become drastic like the ones Bamco put Akari under, these companies are done for.

>>46123061
I feel like mori was just looking for reasons to hate holo but wasn't able to find any after being in it for 2 years so she finally accepted it, there is definitely a dramatic shift in her attitude i think it came very late but atleast she learned.

>>46122207
Ok no nevermind scratch that I got to the part where she's implying "weebs are only acting like incels cuz they think they're SUPPOSED to!"
lol
lmao
That's adorable. So naïve it might as well be considered mental illness.
>>46122811
Nah I tapped out after the part I just mentioned. The unicorn bit was cropped from near the top.

>>46120037
It's the equivalent of Hollywood movie stars preaching down at the common man, acting like their wisdom is the most valuable resource on earth, and that they're not the most out of touch faggots on the planet.

>>46122955
Minor saviour complex with some slight narcism, please understand.

>>46122260
Fuck you leather man

>>46123234
>be Mori
>hate Hololive
>get closer to Kiara
>suddenly love Hololive
Have you remembered to thank orange woman today?

>>46123198
I cant find anything on her twitter saying that, and I'm not going to read that entire screencap, so I'm going to pray and hope she doesn't. Just let bygones by bygones, Kson.

Kanata reads too many anti sites so she just assumes they're fans when they're trolls mimicking fans.
I'm not saying everyone was super happy she was in the collab but it wasn't as bad as she made out or others.

>>46123355
>minor
>slight

>>46122929
And it turns out, that just makes a bunch of males talk the talk without walking the walk. I literally do not care when a vtuber collabs with males. I don’t even skip them, I don’t go out of my way to watch them but I’ll still tune in out of curiosity if it shows up on my feed.
I only leave when they start getting preachy about it and act like disliking male collabs is a moral failing. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that makes me less likely to want to watch them.
If a vtuber asked her chat if they’d be mad at her for collabing with males, I wouldn’t be able to type that wall of text above without sounding like a turbo autist. So the short answer would be “Probably not.” That’s the most honest and least parasocial answer you can give to that question imo. But you can imagine how badly it would be taken by a lot of homobeggars just because I refuse to promise to stay in case the content turns to shit. Which it does a lot of the time.

>>46123234
Maybe she finally realised that banging her head against the wall is just ruining the fun she can have while using Covers resources. It's just stupid to make your life hard for some completely useless fight.

>>46122534
maybe not behave like a retard
>mm..male collaboration
have you seen how unicorns go crazy because their oshi tweeted a happy birthday to a man?
or maybe you want a recent example on holo: kanata being called a whore for participating in a collaborative stream that included men.
that's the level of insanity we are at

>living rent free inside Kekson's head
UNICORNBROS WE KEEP ON WINNING

>>46123622
Based

>>46121725
>normalization of toxic behavior
What is that toxic behavior you're talking about? Not liking male collabs, thus not watching those streams? Leaving a dislike? Voting with your wallet by not giving them more money? Those are literally just personal preferences.
Now, if we're talking about forcing the content creator to act a certain way: constantly sending them messages in SC's, comments in VODs and tweets, that's different. Those kind of schizo behavior should always be ignored, sure, I agree.
Then there's the problem when the chuuba stops ignoring them and starts catering to them, thus, making it so they are at the whims of retards. If they do so, they can only blame themselves.
If she has a problem with the first and the third point, she's a retard. If she's talking about the second one: why is she even giving them attention? The best move is always to ignore them and delete their messages until they get bored and leave.

People conflate "saying something negative/constructive criticism to their oshi" with attacking their oshi.
Guess what: if unicorns aren't able to speak their mind, they'll just leave and watch any of the other hundreds of girls who pander to them. It's literally better for a Vtuber to keep open communications with their unicorns rather than just ignoring them or putting them in to a position where they feel the need to lash out.
And if it really is true that, according to Kson, more Westerners are becoming unicorns, then it stands to reason that learning how to constructively deal with unicorns will become even more important for EN vtubers or vtubers who can speak English

>>46123598
Yes. And when I’m not /here/ I shit on them for being schizos, because I genuinely believe they’re schizos. I don’t bother here because it’s a losing battle. Those people are schizos, the only way they’ll stop is through genocide, which is logistically unfeasible.
If the only way to stop them is to watch people like kson and nyanners, then there is literally nothing I can do.

>>46123598
>AFTER SHE MADE AN ANTI MALE STATEMENT
Thanks for telling us you're a disingenuous faggot.

Not gonna watch vtubers that interact with males. Simple as.

>>46123504
I can't imagine her actual unicorns still being mad after watching how she was there.

>>46121725
I find it so strange that people imply that unicorns weren't a thing in the west before vtubers. There's a reason ethots were and still are so prevalent.

>>46122929
>>46123764
you are very obvious nigger, go for a walk.

>>46120037
This whole talk was just her projecting really hard. I could probably find one thing if even that to agree with her on and even then I'd have to parse it twenty-millions times. This whole stream was unnecessary and now schizos are having a field day with it because of the people she's around and who she was.

>>46121696
First based post in the thread. Reminder that women were literal cattle for tens of thousands of years and the second we gave them rights, everything went to shit.
>Two World Wars
>Nuclear weapons and waste as a result of those wars
>Falling birthrates in literally every industrialized country around the world
>Mass shootings on a regular basis
>Men mutilating themselves because they think women have it that much easier
And more. We lived as farmers for centuries, but now every industrialized country can't even fuck enough to keep population growth steady.

>>46120783
>There's no boyfriend ban (They wouldn't show it even if they had one)
This is thing of hiding boyfriends/husbands is just a thing in general for almost all streamers.
It just hurts your income to remind your audience half (at least) of which wants to bone you that someone else is already doing that

>>46123894
from what I remember they were a mirony and it was fun to shit on them but now they are the norm.

>>46123598
This is exactly the problem. If you don’t like your oshi interacting with males that’s okay, just don’t take it out on them, that’s all Kson is trying to say.

>>46121907
I started watching Hololive in the summer of 2020 and those few months before the Taiwan yab were pure magic. That was the loss of innocence moment for me personally.

>>46121907
No I dont. I remember /pol/ being all over Kizuna Ai and TayAI because "Virtual Women are better then real women and soon we will replace women with robots."

Most of thise fags are here now since nu/pol/ is all TECHONOLGY BAAAD. But no there was always politics involved with vtubing it just was just a different form. But there was also a determined effort to keep things apolitical.

Heck part of the appeal of vtubers in 2020 was that we could escape politics and not have to look at how shitty things were for a time.

>>46124224
They don't unless they go looking for it (egosa)

>>46124243
>nu/pol/ is all TECHONOLGY BAAAD
lolwat

>>46122284
>They want to be whores but not suffer any consequences for being whores.
they are women

>>46124243
>nu/pol/ is all TECHONOLGY BAAAD
Wait, what?
Are they agreeing with EU about Chat Control?

>>46124277
That’s part of their job though, to look up their fans opinions and interact with them.

>>46124358
Think more Uncle Ted

Kson a shit
VShojo HATE

Unicorns are silly but I take them over >I want to dismantle vtubing culture to save vtubing any day

>>46124391
Well, yes and no. If you're an indie you kind of have to, but if you're part of a corporation, they should do the egosa for you.

>>46122207
>Agency vtubers who obey their agency's orders without question
>I only know that things are very wrong
>Being an idol is not about obeying
>I understand how important money is for businesses
>Real Vtubers should all be obedient
>I can only say, that's seriously wrong!
Kson might have heard that one of her friends is thinking of graduation since this rant is clearly about hololive.

>>46124391
going to the slums of the internet to ego search yourself and then complaining when you can't handle it is retarded and not part of their job.

>>46120037
Thanks for the new nickname kson...Holoslaves!!!

>>46122207
What becoming irrelevant does to a mother fucker

>>46120037
I was just one of the lucky ones who has an oshi that likes being there.
That likes streaming and misses it when she's away.
I know it won't last forever, but I'm appreciating it while I have it.

>>46124455
>>46120156

>>46120037
>"hololive guidelines is bad just like slavery!"
>compare coco to kson
Women, am i right?

You all want to be Japanese business men so bad

>>46124795
Yeah clearly I would be better at it than a japanese woman specially since I already have a cock

>>46123598
>kanata being called a whore for participating in a collaborative stream that included men
Thank's for outing yourself as homobeggar/falseflagger. While scumbags like you harrasing Kanata, unicorns are protecting her. Jeez how seriously she struck your nerve with her "no males" statment, that you lying like that?

>>46120037
>muh slavery
Japan is getting what it deserves for letting the gaijin into their homes to spread their backwards "culture".

We fell in love with the thing she hates.
She's leaning on her japanese ancestry like that's all it is.
She refuses to accept that the format is what makes it popular.
I honestly still have a soft spot for her, but man she needs to move on already.

>>46124877
it's even the same size as a japanese man's cock!

>>46124391
Their job is primarily to entertain their audiences. Interacting directly with them isn't their job, but a way to make your audience feel closer to you (parasocialism), which in turn means they'll spend more time watching your content instead of someone else's.
Reading what they think of you? Yes, part of your job, or a job that you can delegate to someone else if you're not working alone, but one that should be limited to your own channel and the messages they send you in social media. Going out of your way to find what they think of you in other websites or checking out what your fans may say of you (indirectly) you is menhera behavior.

>>46124916
retard

>>46120156
Calling up for a collab and having it just casually happen the next day sounds nice and all, but it's terrible business no matter whether you're a company vtuber or indie--how exactly are you dividing up ad revenue, superchats, etc.? Is it just going to go to the channel owner? Well, then why collab with anyone on their channel? A 50/50 split would be more equitable, but absurd if there's a major difference in subs count or how many assistants one participant has to pay versus the other. These are the things that are being negotiated when a collab is proposed, it's not just arbitrary delay.

Enter FIRST clip of her stream
https://youtu.be/dG10qafGT9Y

>>46120037
Absolutely.

>>46124795
No, apparently I want to be a slave owner.

>>46122899
Wait, Mori herself made that graph?

>>46125050
no vtubers rev split on collabs you complete moron
it's an exposure thing

>>46125223
No, it’s a joke about how Mori didn’t realize that you don’t have to pay taxes twice on your income just because you’re an American who lives in Japan.

>>46125023
Point still stands. Unicorn are protecting her don't matter how hard you cope.

>>46125320
Did you somehow miss a shitstorm few days ago?

>>46125243
>no vtubers rev split on collabs you complete moron
Well that seems completely wrong. It's one thing if they pair up separately and just happen to be in each other's videos, but in cases where it's hosted on only one person's channel you can't just expect the other person to perform and not compensate them.

>>46124795
Is it true Riku whores out niji livers to businessmen`?

>>46125243
>exposure
Ah, so unpaid labor, then. Yeah, sure sounds like kson is "ending slavery" there. I think I'd rather have a manager who can at least work out some other sort of cross-promotion if that's the case.

>>46125481
They could just do it for future favors

>>46120037
so this is why most holoen doesn't stream
they feel like slaves

>>46120125
based

>>46125320
I don't get why people think unicorns are bad people.
I mean, look at miko and subaru, they used to collab with males, but look at them now, unicorns will be there to defend and support them.
When rushia's yab reach it limit, unicorns were the people who defend her. Like seriously, she only have unicorns on her stream now.
These homobeggars just begging for collab and the forget about the vtuber once they done with them, what a fucking parasite.

>>46125410
You mean pack of threads full of obvious baits which tried to color Kanata as hypocrite, in which unicorns said that she will not break her stance.

>>46125619
>I mean, look at miko and subaru, they used to collab with males
Wait really?
Examples?

>>46125643
I'm not talking about this board you mongoloid but jp side.

How many times does it needs to be proven? Kson can say literally anything and get away with it. Now say the tagline in your head “talent freedom”—good boy...also remember she’s lives there rent free and always will!

>>46125481
If you stream enough to make a living, then one collab won’t kill you. Also, remember that statistically, about half the collabs should be on your channel too.
It’s like the equivalent of being told you’re not going to get paid for hanging out with your friends over the weekend, but your wages are going to go up in the future because you hung out with your friends.
And if they’re not really your friend and you wouldn’t normally want to do it, then, well…leeching shouldn’t be fun or easy.

>>46125722
Same applies to 5ch

>Kson says something in japanese for japanese
>the catalog explodes
Unironically the most powerful vtuber

>>46125619
>Like seriously, she only have unicorns on her stream now.
Anon... You missed the entire Nazuna drama where anti-unicorns harassed her remaining unicorns and she needed to interviene.

>>46125797
And also for addition, unicorns here are somewhat different from 5ch? I'm sure not.

>>46125805
i blame pippa for retweeting the stream to her flip fanbase

>>46125805
>says stupid shits
>people feel offended and want to correct misunderstandings
damn...

>>46122207
Is it me, the translation or is she barely making a coherent point here? It feels like she would benefit from sitting down and putting this shit on paper, just forming theses of what bothers her and what she intends to do (if anything).

>>46120156
>Isn't allowed to tweet, like or retweet on her whim
Holy fuck, shitposting aside, VShojo really sounds stricter than Holo in the dumbest ways. Or does this only apply to VShojoJP?

>>46120156
who does she work for? this feels like nitpicking

>>46125619
To answer your question directly, it’s because the schizos are the ones that grab people’s attention.
To answer it more broadly, most people will develop parasocial feelings to some extent for online content creators, but they’re self aware that it’s weird. Being a unicorn looks mentally ill to the outside world, and people enjoy shitting on mentally ill people because it makes them feel better about themselves.

>>46124712
A good portion of the rant was about unicorns, male collabs, whether a vtuber can have a boyfriend, business yuri, and idols. Kson can't say that she is talking about hololive but everything was mentioned except the name. Also her insisting that unicorn friendly vtubers might not be doing it by choice is some curious timing given the recent collab drama with Kanata.

>>46125937
Uh anon the blue text is Akari

>>46125713

>>46120345
the entire stream was just a seethepost about how she couldnt do stupid shit in hololive

>>46121386
she had guidelines to follow
>had

now I hope you understand better why the guidelines exist
it's to keep talents from going egoistic rampage every blood moon

>>46125937
that's akari saying that goofball

>>46125797
megami and SK are WAY worse than here since the IQ is higher and Japanese are much more skilled at language manipulation, leading to far more malicious false-flagging.
At least on this site, you can just read a post and call them sun-addled brownies. Most of the posts read like they're by the same terminal shitposter.

>>46125937
KEK that's the guest talking dude. I don't even remember he name of her corpo.
She announced her graduation last week tho so is probably coming to VSJP soon enough.

>>46125713
Here's another one. A lot of holos used to collab with males before Hololive got bigger tho. Also, Subaru collabed with Maimoto often. The big burly guy in blue.

>>46126038
>>46125937 (Me)
Oh fuck, turns out I'm retarded. Should've focused on finishing lunch

>>46126041
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>46125713
Subaru-Maimoto was big collab duo or trio with Ui. They even got called Ozora family.
Miko collabed a lot outside holo in early days and that includes niji males.

>>46120037
the entire stream was just seething, holo is taking off without her and she threw it away

>>46125619
As someone who's been an idol fan in several idol fandoms over the past two decades, nobody really likes unicorns because of how extremist and delusional they are. It's one thing being a typical gachikoi, supporting your oshi within reason, but unicorns are just on a whole other level of deranged.

>>46120156
i like how the replies to this post suddenl changed their tune compared to the reactions when it was posted on the Akari graduation sticky. would people really go as far as bootlick black companies just to stick it out to a whore that they don't like?

>>46120777
shes gonna become the elon musk of vtubers

>>46126048
>>46126171
samefagger who didn't watch the stream

>>46125937
The person she's talking to is wholly owned by a non-VTuber corp. Her situation is pretty unique in that way, because the company very obviously is not focused on running a VTuber channel and likely uses these procedures for all of its other business accounts. Obviously having to go through all the approvals isn't conductive to being an online personality, but basically all companies that are actually focused on VTubing talents don't operate this way.

>>46121386
She couldn't talk about this stuff as Coco, that's one of the reasons she graduated.

>>46125713
>>46126041
it's not like Miko is shy about it, she has gone on record that she knows some of her fans will get jealous over such interactions that's why she doesn't do it anymore

>>46121386
Kson is like George Lucas, a creative giant but only when she has people to tow her line somewhere.

>>46126347
Sure Anon sure it 100% not because she want to collab with Melody

>>46121627
yes but funnily enough it was holo rules that kept it from going full retard

>>46121557
>She hates Kanata

>>46126430
>the bus sign was saying the truth all along
I kneel

If she hate the Unicorns where all the streams with male vtubers

>>46126198
>unicorns are the naruto-runners of western weeb communities

>>46121386
It mean you need tards wrangler to deal with tards.
Look at kishimoto, now compare earlier naruto with samurai 8.
With earlier naruto, the editor is so strict. While with samurai 8 the editor is yes man.

>>46126198
The definition of unicorn has become muddy enough that many would consider "typical gachikoi" to be unicorns. People just use it as a pejorative.

>>46124054
>Two World Wars
because we didnt have wars beforehand i forgor

>>46120037
So this what happens when someone upsets one of her friends? Ohhhhh man imagine the sex, I bet she fucks like a beast ( I love angry sex )

ITT Nijicucks and Holocucks who mad for K-son telling the truth

>>46126561
It's a buzzword it's not real.

>>46121557
jesus, the divide between coco and kanata keeps growing wider and wider

>>46126198
>>46125980
Let's forget that time where antis try to attack nazuna remaining viewers>>46125849

>>46123234
When she realised that she’s able to buy a house because of Holo.

I get it though. People have idealised dream of a career, but most of the time its not like it will always come true exactly how you wants it

>>46121976
No one is bottering Kanata.
She made unnecessary clarifications towards unicorns and a lot of people made fun of her and the unicorns.
Unicorns are too fucking weakminded to turn over and become anti. They get hurt, cry alone, and then look for refuge somewhere else. Nowadays it's easier than ever to find a new gfe "oshi".

>>46121976
you are fucking retarded, these events happened far apart from each other
stop fucking commenting on shit you barely understand, jesus christ, it's annoying

>>46126561
The buzzword now is parasocial

Unicorns won't harass you (in public at least unless you visit 5ch and other summary websites), There might be the odd fucking schizo who sends you a stupid SC or twitter message but 99% will move onto someone who doesn't collab with males.
It's that easy.

When did she get a big ego to the point she Jesus of Vtubering?

I do think that she has a point where there's a large lack of freedom and I do think in the next couple of years we'll see vtuber unions unironically. But equating it to slavery is dumb

>>46126021
> Also her insisting that unicorn friendly vtubers might not be doing it by choice is some curious timing given the recent collab drama with Kanata.
Even if I were sympathetic to kson’s argument (and I kind of am, actually), what the actual fuck are we supposed to do about it? How am I supposed to know if a unicorn-friendly girl is genuine about it or not? There are people like Shondo who have past trauma who legitimately don’t want to collab with males. There are people like Kiara who don’t have any personal issue with it, but don’t think it would improve their content and isn’t worth it. And *maybe* Kanata wants to be able to play Minecraft without doing dumb shit with her camera.
I genuinely don’t know, but you can either take the vtuber’s words at face value or claim to “truly know” what she thinks. That last part is a shitty thing to do in case you’re wrong. And even if you’re right, she’s trying to protect her income stream. If she secretly hates unicorns but panders to them anyway, it’s for a reason.

>>46126663
>want to use hololive as stepping stone
>realize that she will only step down
At least she can thank kson for the realization.

>>46121557
Meanwhile Kanata: https://youtu.be/Ktk_EDLDPeY

>>46124391
It isn't. It's just human nature to ego search.

>>46126796
>we'll see vtuber unions unironically
Streamers on Youtube and Twitch don't have one why would vtubers

>>46125619
>>46126041
>>46126118
>>46126155
I recently tried looking up which Holos have & haven't ever collyabbed and figured they were both on the haven't list.
So far that makes:
>all of Gen 0
>Matsuri, Fubuki & Aki
>Subaru & Choco
>Towa
Am I missing any? Not counting EN since the standard's different IMO (and a little hazy).

tst

>>46126387
I know. The anon was just wondering if there were any examples and I posted one. Like I said in my second post, she wasn't the only one who collabed with males back then.

>>46126792
Since she left Holo, She thinks her words hold weight for some reason.

>>46126854
because they don't have employers?

>>46124455
She probably went out to dinner with Kronii and Mori. That's my dumb rrat for the day.

>>46126855
Do you count Gen 3 getting hypnotized? Anyway count Laplus and Anya too.

>>46122806
Haachama is literal proof that cover had tighten their policies even with regards to lewd content.

>>46123434
ive thank orange woman for 2 years now, single handedly stopping EN from imploding

>>46126887
The only weight she got is the fat

>>46120037
No talent, No freedom
Hope she gets through her depression and suicidal thoughts nobody deserves this

>>46126961
My dumb rrat is that kson is using a relatively narrow set of experiences to paint the whole vtubing community in a certain way. Unconsciously, she probably realizes that having a certain personality that makes you genuinely want to act like a Hololive member gets you views and popularity, and she’s seething that her personality isn’t that.
Basically, she’s seething that what she likes to stream isn’t what we want to watch.

>>46126855
>>46127039
Oh FTR HoloID counts in its entirety KEK I figured that went without saying, it's essentially part of the branch's subculture by ths point.

>>46127148
You mean the freedom to act like an whore

>>46126814
>claim to “truly know” what she thinks. That last part is a shitty thing to do in case you’re wrong.

Based. I’ll just add that it will just send you spiralling into deep rabbit hole of thinking something happening behind the screens, on her every words, trying to read between the lines even though there are nothing over there.

Basically, I do support her in the sense that people should do things that they enjoy. But galvanising people to save “vtubing”? Man, I’m not invested enough, or have that much stakes on it.

>>46127157
Mine is that she's coping about holofes lol

>>46127148
>>46127220
Rent Free and cope and seethe

>>46122207
>I'm talking about the "unicorn" troublemakers.
>those who make their faves cry
What the fuck is this dumb bitch talking about? Trannies are the ones who harassed Pikamee and made Silvervale cry. And yet Kson didn't call them out at all. And now she wants to blame unicorns? Are you fucking kidding me? Unicorns are absolutely despised by normalfags, they have to go stealth and never reveal themselves even as they leave quietly every fanbase. I'm starting to think that women just genuinely hate men they consider to be "losers" in their head. Being seen as a "loser" isn't just a social death sentence, it is now a justification to be hated, hunted down and harassed. If this keeps going on I'll be completely done with streamers as a whole. I'm tired of this shit. I'm tired of their megalomania.

>>46126420
'One' of the reasons.

>>46127081
Haachama is lewd? She’s more of weird things enjoyer rather than lewd. She seems to be outgrowing that phase though and probably considering her future path.

>>46125937
Holobrony brainrot

>>46127321
Okay Kson cuck she is drunk on ego and thinking she helping 2 views when she never doing that

>>46126021
You just a dumbass anon who never watch kanata, she is an example of a unicorn herself, she mourn when her favourite seiyuu getting married, make a personalise original mv during her birthday to show her sadness of her loss with real life picture of her wedding photo. Kanata herself put unnecessary restriction without her fanbase or unicorn even ask her too. She an example of people who stick to her belief to the extreme.
And also to remind you that nazura also have a fallout with her fanbase, it lead her to chossing the unicorn side. This after seeing how the anti unicorn keep creating trouble toward her fanbase.

>>46126561
Gachikoi are basically yesmen or whiteknights they'll defend their oshi no matter what. I consider them worse than unicorns, since they're actually in love.

>>46127495
You mean the chumbuds because they act like Gura not streaming for weeks on end is normal and good

>>46120037
>vtubers
>slaves
I think this bitch needs a reminder of how a 9 to 5 job feels like.

>>46127325
Does anything in that wall o' text mention Pikamee or Silvervale?
I'm pretty sure she's talking about different instances entirely.

>>46122207
Weren't her two best friends in Hololive the unicorn and the unicorn lover?

>>46124243
so you saying anyone who didn't visit /pol/ and just watched the chubas didn't get a dose of politics with their entertainment?
shit negro why you gota agree with that anon in such a roundabout way?

>>46127573
She won't because think she ranting about her old job is helping Vtubers

>>46127573
nurses work longer than 9-5 retard

>>46120037
Ah yes, Kson 'dont bring the real world into vtubing' from vshojo.
While 90% of that company has 'talents' doing some sort of real world political activism, quite the hypocrite.
She will probably never understand why tardwranglers are necessary.

>>46126198
>saying unicorn bad
>anti unicorn attacking nazuna unicorn fanbase just because they hate unicorn
>nazuna being pragmatic said unicorn support her lifestyle and they stick by her side during her toughest years. She proceed to kick anti unicorn out of her fanbase.
Anti unicorn are the schizo.

>>46127608
They're slaves because the writing of a ego drunk think she the Jesus of vtubering

>>46127039
I wouldn't count the hypnosis, no. That's a professional hired to perform a highly-specific task, not a fellow entertainer who they're there to chat with extensively for content.

>>46127709
You don't understand tardwranglers are making Vtubers into slaves by stopping them from having freedom like her!!!!

>>46126222
the entire stream was
>unicorns are retarded and you should stream with who you want
>vtubers feel like slaves because they have to pass through diplomatic channels and follow rules
>there are limits on what you can say and do because you may discredit to company you work for

these are all issues she doesnt have a vshojo because its barely held together as is, anykara couldnt care less unless you offend stocks. she has experience at holo and these are rules holo genuinely follows, considering this is following holo fes and public stocks with the company starting to take off im guessing shes trying to get people to backpedal to vsj

>>46127546
Or the simple conclusion is, normal people work, touch grass and watch other thing when she doesn't stream, without being a schizo that demand them to stream everyday. Just face it anon, if gura stream you have no more shitpost other that calling her fanbase pedo.

From what I understood, she is saying that vTubers should not be chained to the whims of the most fanatic fans and companies that give into them. Fans should apreciate vTubers for who they are and not make outrageous demands like forbidding female oshis from collabing witb male talents.

>>46127580
Then why is she just shitting on unicorns out of nowhere? What happened? Did unicorns make someone cry recently? I genuinely don't get it.

>>46127877
>there are limits on what you can say and do because you may discredit to company you work for
Yeah like any normal job.....

>>46124455
>Kson might have heard that one of her friends is thinking of graduation since this rant is clearly about hololive.
The fuck are you talking about

>>46127877
Did she forget about indies existing?

>>46127220
>doing a vtubing collab with a male vtuber makes them a whore

>>46126887
> She thought that all "She changed everything!" and "She was my inspiration all along!" sob stories from her graduation were real and not just larping
roru

>>46127953
Yes because if the indie isn't part of the ingroup they don't exist

>>46127734
Perhaps both extereme ideologies are unhealthy for vtubing

>>46127734
>during her toughest years
...Weren't they the fundamental cause of the toughest part?
Granted; not the unicorns' own actions, so much as her projecting what they MIGHT do and going full retard herself.

>>46127325
Its sad and weird that she doesn't call out the Amerimutt trannies whereas she's now being mad at Japanese unicorns. It's sad that she's becoming a typical western centric dramaqueen.

>>46127908
>vTubers should not be chained to the whims of the most fanatic fans and companies that give into them
Maybe so but Holo would be nothing if they didn't sell themselves the way they did, Whether the fans, management or talent like it, That's just the cold hard truth.
I don't think everyone in Holo has to be like Kanata and they clearly aren't, Suisei/Towa/Matsuri/Botan have collabed with men some for work reasons and some not and still relatively successful so I don't know what kson is blabbing on about.
Kanata's problem is 100% self inflicted, Not even Rushia went as far as Kanata.

>>46127908
That's fair enough, but even Kson admitted that more and more Westerners were becoming unicorns.
It's fine for a streamer to do whatever they want, but if they disappoint their fans, they can't expect them to stick around.

I think Kson has misunderstood something all her vshojo friends are called sluts because they sleep around. You meet a girl she tells you she has man come in every night safe assumption there sleeping together.
It’s not vtuber thing women sleeping around makes them sluts. If they enter relationships with no intention of settling down slut. You call a spade a spade doesn’t mean you can’t like sluts but don’t say they aren’t. Vshojo all sluts, indie with guy in the background that’s not her brother tentative slut (some weirdoes do incest). Male collabs slut but more trustworthy this means she’s less likely to have a bf because any non idiot knows streamer girls tend to cheat with big streamers. It’s not slavery to not want to watch a girl flirt with a guy playing games if you wouldn’t watch people flirt irl why are you giving them money to do it, a view is also money.

She talks like she's the Chuuba Pope. Too many ENs kiss her ring and give her a big head.

>>46127908
In other word, she want a simp yesmen, she want her cake and eat it too. In normal world the customer/viewers have a freedom of choice, if you act like a slut which is your talent freedom, don't be suprise that your viewers also will use their freedom to watch other vtuber and donate to them instead.

>>46127908
Here's the thing: She should just say that. She doesn't need to talk about unicorns or whatever because it distracts from the point. Just. Say. That.

>>46127918
There was drama with Nazuna, yeah. Given that the unicorns involved were (apparently) predominantly kaigainiki it's probably about that.
Alternatively it might be about Kanata collabing with m*les but I'm seeing conflicting accounts on if she actually got any shit over that.

>>46127918
She didn't specify, but she's probably talking about the Kanata and Nazuma drama.

>>46128130
Because her fans aka yesmen will attack you if you say anything they think is heresy

>>46126796
>unions
Not gonna happen
Japan is like the one country in the world that is more anti-union than America

>>46122207
Based. If you have a problem with what she's trying to get across here you're either not paying attention, illiterate, or are part of the problem she's trying to bring attention to.

>>46127780
What about the minecraft thing today? For Pekora

>>46128280
Unions are communism

>>46127953
she has no influence over indies, they just make their own rules and decisions, if she tells them to reject unicorns and most do, a niche will form and someone will fill it anyway.

>>46127908
Pretty much what she said.

>>46128257
>Both cases of the chuuba defending unicorns
Weird angle for her to take if that's the case

"VTubers didn't land on the unicorn's horn. The unicorn's horn landed on us!" - KSon, 2023

>>46128115
Yeah but there's nothing that she can really do about that. More westerners are becoming unicorns because Tempus now exists and lines had to be drawn in the sand

What has this person done to try and preach to others like this? Give me a fucking break.

>A person who didn't collab with Holosta or rarely interact with males when she was in Holo is trying to lecture everyone about Unicorns while she was raking in the SC.
o I am laffin.

>>46128257
It's more likely to me she's talking about seeing Nyanners and Veibae, or vshojo in general, get hate, since a part of her rant was seeing how the unicorn mindset is taking root in the west and that being anti-unicorn pretty much flies in the face of what Kanata was trying to express in her drama

>>46128323
Haven't seen any of it yet, don't feel like I can comment until then. If it was like 2 hours of just the 5 Holos talking with each other and 1minute of exchanging hellos with dudes on other teams, no. I'd personally consider that retarded.
Again it's a matter of intent IMO. What's the entertainment value? If the stream was 99.9% CGDCT then that was clearly the point of the stream, a smidgen of loathsome MALE interaction is incidental and irrelevant.
It is a little closer to the bone than the hypnotist tho, IMO. The real brain-tickler is whether something like Suisei calling Roberu on-stream at her chat's behest counts. Since it only lasted a few minutes, but was something she clearly did not HAVE to do and actively made the effort for.

>>46128731
NTA but no. The MC asked Pekora, as the leader of her team, to go up on the stage to say a few words before the event started. That's it. After that there was nothing that can count as any real interactions at all besides Pekora and the others autistically running around out of nervousness.

>>46129216 (me)
Meant for >>46128323

>>46120125
So you're saying that even if YOU were made the slave?

>>46128259
So, pretty much populism with it's fair share of fascism?
hüh

>>46126854
Streamers don't have employees they're self employed.
>>46128280
Maybe so but I predict if nothing else they'll have to start offering some benefits such as health care to their employees. Realistically speaking there's not enough benefits to join a corporation right now
Vtubing as a whole has been down significantly in the west and while the promise of getting more traction might be good, its hard for me to say with a straight face that even a 3rd gen of hololive would be as successful as the previous 2

>>46129216
yeah and even then that can barely be called interaction
>usada pekora-san please come up here and say a few words
>pekora goes up on stage and says her piece before the event
>thank you very much
>walks off stage
that was it basically, just pure professionalism from both sides

>>46129962
T A I N T E D
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>>46126814
>Even if I were sympathetic to kson’s argument (and I kind of am, actually), what the actual fuck are we supposed to do about it? How am I supposed to know if a unicorn-friendly girl is genuine about it or not?
That is a fair point but Kanata acting like a caged animal would indicate that she does feel pressured to be unicorn friendly. Kson isn't just criticizing hololive but how much of the vtuber industry is getting too parasocial. That it might be a good business strategy but isn't good for the vtuber or their fans

>>46121557
Why do unicorns live rentfree in her head? To the point she wants to bully them? Envy?

>>46121067
3view you mean, he had hundreds of disciples
disciples =/= apostles
Saint Martha was a disciples couldnt be apostles because those are priests/bishops, and womens cant be priests

>>46121557
It's pretty interesting how she chose to go on a rant about this but said nothing after Pika got bullied because of Hogwarts.

>>46130456
Does the bitch not understand streaming as a whole is parasocial?