/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Yes out of his own pocket. Next question.

>april 1st
Based retard OP

>>45856824
For Cover that is nothing. Also, kek to all the retards who thought Twitter wouldn't be able to sustain itself just by making those stupid blue checkmarks into something you pay for.

>>45856824
Holos use less Twitter than other corpos.

>>45856915
Twitter intentionally does this shit so if the backlash gets too bad they can go "it just joke" and then push it out a month later when everyone has forgotten.

>>45856824
homos only

>Twitter being run into the ground by a megalomaniac authoritarian
>Tiktok going to get banned in the US
So what social media site is HoloEN going to move too?

>>45856824
>implying the idols get paid
>implying yagoo doesn't blow the entire budget on cocaine and child prostitutes
>implying Mori doesn't live in a dumpster outside Kojima's like Oscar the Grouch

>>45856824
how is it even possible to make twitter worse than it already was?

>>45857266
>>Twitter being run into the ground by a megalomaniac authoritarian
>posted from my iphone

>>45857266
Elon thought he was buying a business, not an insane ideological echo chamber for retards like you anon.
Really, it's just a blue checkmark which used to be given out based on politics but now is even handed, how stupid are you people?

>>45857266
they should just host their own imageboard

>>45857451
projection & seethe

>>45857266
Cover is making their own social media

People really are trooning out over muh blue checkmarks huh? When being called a blue checkmark was always an insult.

>>45857471
>Elon thought he was buying a business
He just wanted to see grimes' dms and make everyone like his tweets.

>>45857266
Kill yourself communist piece of shit and fuck off back wherever you came from

>>45857506
>posts which are entirely innocuous are actually 'seething and coping and dilating', in anon's deranged worldview

>>45857837
choke harder on elon's cock faggot

there is no april fools in businesses retards

>>45856824
$1000 a month isn't that much considering they will get priority ranking in the feed. Businesses spend way more on way dumber things.

Anybody who unironically defends Elon is actually braindead.This isn't defending the previous moderation as the site sucked back then but it's actually genuinely worse. Go back to your NFTs and paying alpha male red pilled youtubers for social media classes you insufferable faggots.

>>45857266
Facebook

>>45856824
No. YOU will pay it with your donos paypig

I don't follow any of the Holo people on Twitter but they do appear in my recommended pretty often. Council more so than Myth so a lot of good that checkmark does.
Besides, why does it matter if more people see your tweets if they're just "people"(bots). Waste of money.

>>45857591
Unironically this. It's going to be so shit, I can't wait for the screencaps.

Download holoplus.

>>45858625
>This isn't defending the previous moderation as the site sucked back then but it's actually genuinely worse.
Yes, not being able to send death threats to people you disagree with politically without getting banned must really suck sister.
>Go back to your NFTs and paying alpha male red pilled youtubers for social media classes you insufferable faggots.
So true sister.

>>45859075
Never argued for the first one. Elon is guilty of the shit he cries over and does it with impunity now. Please get that semen out of your face.
>so true sister
Holy shit, do you actually pay for digital monkeys or give andrew tate or his wannabes money? Jesus christ, neck yourself you zoomer faggot.

>>45859075
To the privileged leftoid, evenhandedness in dealing with everyone feels like the worst authoritarian tyranny.

At first it was blue woman seethe; now it's blue checkmark seethe.

>>45857471
Sounds like he is more retarded than what he looks.

>>45859472
Elon cried about doxxing over public jet info and then in the same night tried doxxing and falsely framing a guy he almost ran over as a schizo who was "attacking muh son". You're literally retarded

>>45857266
twitter was dyingbefore elon bought it
he is trying to save it

>>45858625
It’s significantly better in my experience. It’s somewhat worse for SJWs used to being able to ban anyone they don’t like.

>>45856824
Imagine paying for Twitter. Just lmao.

>>45859619
it must be rough for you now that you can’t ban people as easily for accurately identifying your biological sex.

>>45857471
Elon's a moron but he's not that clueless. He bought twitter because of how online he is, not because he thought it was a judicious investment.

>>45857471
>Elon thought
The problem is that he didn't. And that he famously does not do this.

>>45859075
>Yes, not being able to send death threats to people you disagree with politically without getting banned must really suck sister.
This has not changed since his acquisition of Twitter. What are you even talking about?

>>45861040
Where do people like you come from? You honestly think this? How can you be so confidently retarded?

>>45861536
I don't know either. I don't really care for elon and I think teslas are kind of shitty cars but spacex is fully legit. A company straight out of sci-fi, the rockets work, the booster recovery works, etc. he clearly knows what he is doing, at least in that domain

>>45857266
You should go back to r3ddit and stay there. Your wound will always fester.

>>45856824
Musk said everybody from a company will get verified

>>45862016
Ironically spacex is the one he has basically zero involvement with.

>>45857266
They are creating their own thing. Check last holofes vod

>>45862160
Source: DailyBeast

>>45862197
Source: SpaceX themselves, look up the weed debacle moron

>>45860695
I am a male and have never cared for gender identity bullshit. Elon is a retard and somehow worse than Jack. You can also still be banned for homophobia and transphobia under Elon so I don't get your point? Did Elon's cum corrode your brain?

>>45857266
Myspace

>>45858572
$1000/mo per talent sure is a lot of money though.

>>45862233
Is this another episode of "public company pays person millions of dollars a year to do nothing" reddit tier crybaby understanding of companies?

Not /vt/ related, jannies do your work.

>>45863009
Its $1000 +$50 per talent. Hololive has about 100 accounts, so about $6000/mo.

>>45863030
No I think it's another episode of "guy scoffs incoherently at imaginary person." What's even your point?

>>45857837
>sees someone make fun of a notorious lolcow
>calls them a commie
Holy fuck you aren't even a real human

>>45857266
They are going to force each talent to create the own Angelfire website.

>>45857451
>>45857471
>>45857837
>>45860244
>Imagine sucking Elon Musk's dick
>For free

>>45864480
Surely if I defend him a few more times on 4chin he will make me a billionaire!

>>45857266
Livejournal

>>45861536
He's right though. What kinda idiot pays 10x what a company is valued at in its BEST year ever.
Twitter before the buyout had grossed about 4.5 billion thanks in large part to advertisers who made up 90% of that revenue. Elon bought twitter for 44 billion which was incredibly stupid. Then, he started to chase off advertisers left and right to the point where the site was making 40% less revenue than before and even after offering massive discounts for advertising on the site, was still 18% less profitable during February, when they held the Superbowl, than it was the year before
The site breaks daily and even if advertisers want to post ads, they have no idea who to contact since musk can't keep up the costs of employees. He's basically been trying to get away with using stuff without paying for it but nobody is letting him do that.
It doesn't help that he tried picking fights with employees protected under disability acts and is battling several different lawsuits over his repeated misconduct in numerous different positions he's held. His blue checkmark system has driven other potential advertisers off the site as well since your average Joe is too retarded to know the difference between a fake and a real person/company and with this new system being implemented next month it's likely this will continue to happen because no advertiser is going to want to pay $1k on top of advertising fees to verify their legitimacy.

I honestly only use twitter for my oshi but at the rate things are going it's not gonna last long

>>45860523
>worse for SJWs used to being able to ban anyone they don’t like.
Now you understand why there is so much crying about Twitter lately. They lost the stranglehold they so desperately want.

>>45865199
Twitter hasn't gotten less woke, it's just gotten more retarded.

>>45864480
>Imagine hating Elon for no reason other than you have been told rocket man bad.

>>45865068
>employees protected under disability acts
Anon, women aren't disabled that is just how they are.

>>45865068
>but at the rate things are going it's not gonna last long

JUST TWO MORE WEEKS CHUDS

>>45857266
>megalomaniac authoritarian
Ah yes, someone who reduces the restrictions on speech is authoritarian. Any more genius takes, fucktard?

>>45860523
It's worse in several regards. It breaks once a month anymore with last month being down for an entire day and images completely breaking for several hours. Just yesterday or maybe it was the day before, people were unable to access quote tweets, people have been talking about how tweets are literally disappearing and reappearing and almost nobody likes the "For You" and UI changes that bring bookmarks and views to the front.

Instead of worrying about cover nijitrannies should wonder about their 1000+ livers who are going to be rendered even more irrelevant and left to die.

>>45865556
LOL, he just unbanned some people and banned others for wrongthink.
He's just as bad

>>45864480
See >>45857995

>>45865556
Hahaha This nigga. Now say something bad about Elon and see how long until you get banned.

>>45865556
He's banned people for perfectly permissible things that hurt his feelings, because he doesn't actually care about protecting expressive freedom.

>>45864851
I know this is really hard for you to understand because you probably see a psyche for pills for your brain problems to keep you employed at your meme job where you send out emails or whatever but 99/100 people don't think Elon has done literally anything wrong. Changing twatter so updoots can't infinitely come from actual bots so now people like Hasan cry about losing 'followers' is not an issue anyone cares about, outside Fagtown, population: (You).

>>45865699
>banned others for wrongthink.
You mean doxxers stalking his family pretending to be journalists? Those faggots?

>>45865529
Not two weeks, but I'm guessing before the year is up he'll have to sell it due to having to take out several loans with several different banks because he didn't actually have the 44 billion to pay for twitter. Best case scenario he sells it to one of his buddies in Saudi Arabia but that's likely gonna trigger a bunch of red flags government wise or he'll sell back to a bank while claiming bankruptcy which he already talked about potentially claiming back in November.
If any of the lawsuits come for fruition it's extremely likely he'll have to sell.

>>45865908
Yes that is exactly what they are referring to.

>>45865885
Most people don't have an opinion about this shit. And it's not like normies are based or redpilled, so don't pretend like you respect them as some font of wisdom or something.

>>45857266
>banned
Will never happen lmao

>>45865963
Twitter is doing completely fine, you're delusional and/or coping. The share price is almost back up to where Elon bought it and this is in the midst of a goddamned recession when everything else is plummeting.

Keep huffing that copium tho. TWO MORE WEEKS

>>45865341
Rocket man good
Chief twit moronic

I don't give a shit about twitter or social media in general, but the whole way he bought it was beyond retarded - completely overpriced, on the hook for billions in annual loan interest, waived due diligence, wavered for months trying to back out of the deal only to finally cave in

>>45865908
>Publishing public information is wrong
I don't know what's worse, the fact you're an enemy of free speech, or you're doing it for free.

>>45866200
Twitter is a private company now you retard.

>>45866171
Yes that's my point- no one cares if your internet likes got disrupted, you manchild.

>>45866516
If they don't have an opinion, they don't agree with you, you moron. They don't care about Twitter, or Elon, or any of this shit. You do.

>>45865441
He is talking about Halli Thorleifsson, the founder of Ueno that twitter buy in 2021 and probably give him a premium, making him unfireable. First because probably the cost of his termination is very high, second because he suffers LGMD and sacking him calling because you think his illness is "false" is a bad idea. Even Elon know how stupid he was and promptly backtracked.

>>45858625
>>45859381
>Not one, but two servings of twitter buzzword soup
You tell em sister

>>45866200
Okay so lemme explain this to you
He paid over 10x what twitter made in its best year

Now twitter makes the majority of it's money through advertisers

Twitter has lost over half of its top advertisers in less than a year and is not gaining new advertisers to replace the ones it's lost and if anything is losing more advertisers because at this point advertisers literally don't know who to even talk to since there's been so many layoffs

Elon could not afford the bill for twitter and had to take out several loans in order to pay for it. These loans all come with interest rates that are pretty damn high.

Elon is on the hook now for several billion dollars in loans and stuck with a site that is generating less money than it has since the pandemic.

Do you understand why he's likely going to have to declare twitter to be bankrupt? He's not making shit off of it and each decision he's made has further driven advertisers away because literally nobody trusts him.

Also stocks are private, a majority of them are owned by musk who is using government funds for SpaceX to try to prop up the failing site.

I have spaced this out for you so maybe you can read it without your head hurting from too many words being located in one location. If you have any further questions I'd love to explain how marketing works to you since I literally work in marketing and our company was one of many that pulled out. It's not a large company but we now make more money advertising on Pinterest than we did on twitter.

>>45867335
>Spacing it intelligibly.
now he's just going to call you a redditor and pretend like that's a rebuttal.

>>45867198
It's such an unfathomably bad idea that several lawyers were in the comments section of halli ready to help him with a lawsuit because the payout would be extraordinarily high. They were like sharks who smelled blood in the waters, opening their hungry jaws, if you ever get that many lawyers telling you how much money you could be sued for, you know you fucked up and if halli doesn't sue musk he's either way too nice of a person or just a sucker.
We're talking about 7-8 digit figures

>>45867335
>Twitter has lost over half of its top advertisers
Oh nyo not the heckin' advertisers, the corporations that throw a fucking fit over nothing. This topic always reminds me of the Michael Phelps drama. Guy's a world class athlete and corpos all bail on him because they found out he does marijuana sometimes. Oh shit guys he smokes grass! How dare he! God I fucking hate uppity corporations.

>>45857266
>TikTok going to be banned
Don't give me hope

>>45857266
Truth Social

>>45867335
Go back to l3ddit, ax wound.

>>45867335
>repeating word for word hit pieces by leftist rags
Twitter was supposed to be dead a week after the totally super important engineering team left however many months ago. Dumb cunt.

>>45867745
Advertisers whether you like it or not are your lifeline in the internet ocean. When your site depends on advertising to be able to afford the servers it's ran off of and the office your employees have to work at losing advertisers is like losing blood and musk is bleeding out right now.
Twitter blue at best has bout 300k subs, that means it's making about 28 million a year give or take a few million dollars depending on regional pricing. Now we take into account that about 30% of that is gonna go to Google/apple and the rest is taxed.
Twitter reported in 2022 in it's 2nd fiscal quarter that it cost roughly 1.5 billion dollars to run which means that we're not even scratching the surface of how much it costs to run twitter let alone make up for the lack of advertising revenue

>>45868987
>make up numbers
>use disclosed information from previous management
>see, this is why blah blah blah
Retard.

>>45868814
Can you deny that twitter has lost most of its advertisers and is unable to get them back ? If you have some magical source that showcases I'm wrong I'll gladly see it. But even when searching for words like "twitter gaining ads" I can't seem to find any articles, even Fox news seems to point that twitter lost 40% of it's revenue in December.

Just a reminder that elon bent the knee when apple threatened to pull their ads and remove twitter from their store

Twitter and Tesla could both go bankrupt and Musk would still be worth 50 billion plus give or take. The idea he cares about “7-8 figures” is hilarious. That would be like your average American worrying about a 5-10 dollar fine. Twitter may or may not fail but it’s not like he has to worry about the stock price.

>>45869449
I can point you to an endless stream of articles stating as fact Twitter was at the brink of death like 5 months ago, that there's no way the site could function after firing as many employees as he did, that there were super engineering teams for which their departure meant Twitter will cease functioning within weeks.
At this point, it's not the people being sceptical about claims of Twitter's totes imminent death that deserves scrutiny. Back up your doomsday preaching.

>>45870025
If Tesla goes bankrupt the ass of Elon is going to be sued more quickly than a ice pop melt in the sun. Being know as the owner of Tesla is the only reason why banks lend him money.

>>45868987
>Twitter reported in 2022 in it's 2nd fiscal quarter that it cost roughly 1.5 billion dollars to run
Not after Musk got rid of the legions of superfluous thought police staff. Tech companies massively inflate their operating costs by showering their useless employees in free shit. Employee bathrooms full of cosmetics and hair products and other dumb shit like that got axed. Good riddance.

>>45870255
I honestly do not think Tesla will go bankrupt anytime soon. At this point in time. their battery technology is worth more than the cars they sell.

>>45869216
Okay so I'll walk you through these numbers
When you Google "how many people are subscribed to Twitter blue" the first result says 300,000, so you take 8 x 300,000, this gives you 2.4 million.
You take that number and you multiply it by 12 to account for how much yearly revenue that is, that's where you get 28.8 million.
Google and apple take a 30% cut out of playstore/app store purchases which twitter blue is.
This means that a good chunk of those subscribers pay 30% to their app store
And everything you make is of course, subject to taxes. If it's regionally priced this means they're making even less off of every purchase since it takes a lot more money to make up the same price and you often have to offer regional discounts because of that.
So even if we claim that musk has cut down on business expenses by an astronomical 50% since its previous owners and that still leaves us with a whopping 750 million dollars in operating costs alone.
Now you might say to yourself "well that's not so bad!" now keep in mind that he's on the hook for several billion in loans and even if he wasn't there's a 40% revenue drop since his take over which means he's still making way less than he paid for off of it since twitter was only ever worth 4.5 billion

>>45856915
Yeah but why are they announcing the joke in advance?

>>45856824
Retard

>>45870025
That's not exactly how money works. Elon doesn't actually have that much money most of his money is in assets and stocks, like all billionaires and an 8 figure payment is certainly not something he wants to do, he doesn't even want to pay AWS to keep twitter alive because he's literally bleeding money

>>45870545
>When you Google "how many people are subscribed to Twitter blue"
Two more weeks.

>>45870052
To be fair twitter has had at least one failure almost monthly from outages to images not displaying to 2fa breaking and eventually being paywalled, the "your API plan does not offer this" in 2023 alone there have been 6 outages in the entirety of 2022 there were 9

>>45857395
She moved a few months ago, did you forget, anon? Now she has a bigger and comfier dumpster in the alley behind the Gainax Studio.

>>45870849
Do you have any other method you'd like to share? Even if we claim that there's 1 million people subbed to twitter blue this still only adds up to 96 million a year which is still taxed and a good chunk of those are subbed through mobile which is an instant 30% loss. That's not even 1/100th of what twitter made in 2022 and most of that revenue came from advertisers which have been leaning

>>45871423
Leaving*

>>45870313
Anon, Elon needs to pay like one billion yearlu on interest to his loaners (the saudis or the banks, doesn't matter), because he didn't have the liquidity to pay for twitter.
>But, what about her Tesla shererinos?
That is the thing anon, you can sold shares indiscriminately without diluting their value. People only buy Tesla shares, because Elon fortune was in Tesla shares. When he no longers owns shares, people lose confidence and start to sell.

>>45857451
What even is your point retard?

>>45871423
I'm not going to lend credence to your backyard business analysis with made-up numbers because you retards have been screeching about the imminent death of Twitter every other week since Musk took over. Two more weeks.

>>45865341
I didn't dislike him until he stayed in his own lane.

>>45856824
Probably make the talent pay for it themselves if they want it.

>>45871707
You're more than welcome to do the research yourself and look into everything I posted. I haven't stretched the truth or given you any information you can't find from a multitude of different sources. If you choose to believe that somehow despite everything pointing out that he's been losing revenue and twitter blue isn't a good replacement, that's up to you but math doesn't really lie.

>>45859065
You know korean K-pop BTS have it own app and it still functioning till this day with a lot of members active.

>>45857266
Holoplus (Darknesss)

>>45867335
Seething tranny that your hive is getting flushed out by based Elon

>>45867335
Ah yes the walls are closing in on Twitter after they lost all their women and pajeets. How will they ever survive without paying 100 million a year in wages to literally worthless sacks of shit.

>He's not making shit off of it and each decision he's made has further driven advertisers away because literally nobody trusts him.
He's moving from an advertising based model to subscription. Twitter blue is valuable now and he's going to make corporate accounts pay through the nose for their platform whether they like it or not.

>>45857266
>Twitter being run into the ground by a megalomaniac authoritarian
I really like how many Ls the troons have been taking lately.

>>45856987
its revenue is down 40% year-over-year and only being kept afloat by Saudi oil money where are you even getting that?

>>45858625
>paying alpha male red pilled youtubers for social media classes
Kek. Only gullible incels fall for this. Imagine defending that "alpha males" on the internet and buying their products.
At least I'm incel only on 4chan. It's free.

>>45866738
not him but you obviously care about this shit and should just stop posting if you don't, it's offtopic garbage

Hating Elon doesn’t mean he’s failing. Unless something has changed recently there are more Twitter users and it’s on track to be profitable. 2 things can be true Twitter isn’t failing and Elon is a billionaire clown

>>45857266
? The elevens were very pleased with the changes Musk made to twitter. He only pissed off the far left and the far right, which is pretty much exactly what he said he was aiming to do

>>45876488
>its revenue is down 40% year-over-year
Twitter is private now anon, you can't get data on it's revenue since Musk took over.

>>45857266
Reddit

>>45857266
Japan celebrated after Elon bought Twitter because it revealed they had a literal cabal of feminists who were controlling what trended and pushing political shit to everyones feed. When they got replaced it switched back to anime stuff overnight.

>>45876455
Are you retarded perhaps.

>>45876455
Sister, this is an L + ratio moment for you

>>45876969
>Troons lose their favorite site for pushing propaganda
What's the issue here? It's a good thing.

>>45876082
I've literally explained this but $8 a month before taxes and cuts isn't enough to keep the lights on man. And I don't really think too many corporations are gonna be keen on paying $1k a month plus advertising fees.
I've done the math and even 1 million users paying USD (which would be about 1/63 users in the US) paying that wouldn't even amount to 1/100th of what twitter made in its most profitable year ever before taxes and wages and other expenses.
Twitter since then has burned bridges with nearly half of those advertisers who caused it to be profitable and all sources indicate that it's been losing money since the buyout.

Now on top of the money it's losing, it was never worth 44 billion, of which Elon owes about 20 billion dollars with interest back to the people he took the loans out from. I'm really not sure why it's so hard to understand that twitter is a terrible purchase and purchasing it for 10x it's worth was a terrible idea

>>45876949
Japan originally celebrated but now I see a lot of Japanese complaining that their feeds are filled with politics and their art isn't reaching the same people it used to if it is able to be seen at all due to the increase in bugs on the site

>>45878086
>And I don't really think too many corporations are gonna be keen on paying $1k a month plus advertising fees.
This is a win / win since it gets all that corpo garbage off my feed if they just fuck off.

>all sources indicate that it's been losing money since the buyout
"all sources" being tranny journalists who are fucking seething over the fact Giga Chud Elon took over the platform. I would not take their unsubstantiated statements seriously, what makes you think they have any insight into the financial situation of Twitter even putting aside their obvious ideological bias?

>I'm really not sure why it's so hard to understand that twitter is a terrible purchase and purchasing it for 10x it's worth was a terrible idea
It fucks the leftists over and that's what matters. Without the ability to arbitrarily ban conservatives off the platform they lose debates.

>>45878334
I Didn't realize that literally every site including Fox news was ran by trannies. Trannies must truly be dominating the internet.
It's not hard to know when twitter literally reports it's earnings per quarter even after being privated. Stop being a /pol/tard for a second and realize that nobody wins in bankruptcy

>>45857266
Truth Social

>>45878648
Anon have you read the news in the past few years? It's literally just a small group of blue hairs screeching about white people being evil and how we need more niggers. You won't get anywhere if you're still actually reading that shit

>>45878704
Based

>>45878774
I again am amazed that Fox news is entirely consistent of blue haired people along with literally every site. Between trannies and blue hairs there is no hope for someone regular to work anywhere since they now run the world apparently.

You don't even have to go into a news site you absolutely retarded /pol/brained buffoon. You can find shit about how poorly twitter is doing from any site that reports on revenue but surely every site on the internet is ran by these trannies and blue hairs, even this one!!!!

>>45879036
>muh fox news
Channel for boomer cucks

>>45879036
Twitter doesn't report revenue since the takeover. The last financial report posted was for 2022 2nd quarter, the quarter before the takeover. Any information you're getting since is speculation.

https://investor.twitterinc.com/financial-information/quarterly-results/default.aspx

>>45879036
I'm currently going through articles that claim there was a drop in revenue and there's absolutely nothing from Twitter itself. It's all 3rd parties and anonymous sources.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jan/18/twitter-revenue-drop-advertising-squeeze-elon-musk

>The company’s daily revenue was down 40% year-over-year, the tech newsletter the Platformer reported, while the news site the Information said staff were told more than 500 of Twitter’s top advertisers had halted spending since Elon Musk bought it in October.

https://twitter.com/ZoeSchiffer/status/1615519936805482496

A fucking substack newsletter. It's fucking amazing what you retards will swallow just because it's on a news site.

>>45879589
Okay but with over half of their top advertisers leaving and with at most 500k people being subbed to twitter blue where do you think they're getting extra money from? Twitter blue would literally have to have over 10 million people subscribed to it to make up for that and I can promise you that there's not that many. You can say that all some conspiracy but it's pretty unlikely that the site is making even close to what it did last year which was already at a loss compared to the year before it. Twitter has never operated with a ton of profit and someone buying it for 10x its gross profits in 2022 is as retarded as you can get.

>>45880029
It doesn't matter to me. Elon bought the site to own Troons. It's good that a billionaire is using their wealth to promote good social causes in my opinion. The cost is well worth the benefit.

>>45880386
Man you say that shit but it doesn't really work when the sites just gonna end up in the hands of a bank anyway

>>45864339
Sometimes I wish Yahoo Geocities still existed

>>45860523
I don’t care for Americans shit politics but it’s so shit for artists now. JP artists are discussing where the fuck they need to go next because most social media are fucking bad (most settled into Pixiv but a lot still want Twitter to get better since it has better networking and a lot of companies still look for Twitter artists for work)

>>45857266
>>45865857
>>Twitter being run into the ground by a megalomaniac authoritarian
I love how people told you fags to be careful because one day someone who wasn't on your side would decide which speech is acceptable and isn't. Now that the shoe is on the other foot it suddenly is a problem. Get fucked commie. I'd rather live in a world where both you and me lose our rights instead of just me.

You act like that's much when most can get that from superchats alone.

>>45865885
Nigga even my third world country ojisans who don’t fucking know the internet is think elon musk approach to Twitter is retarded. The common opinion is “elon is a genius at engineering but bad at figuring out the internet hence Twitter failure” because being genius in a field does not mean I instantly become genius on others
> T. PHD in quantum science and I can’t figure out how to build a car

>>45856824
Of course, not that Gura and some others would want it. Hololive doesn't really need the blue checkmark.
If Yagoo has to pay $1000, the question should be would Riku pay $5000 per month? Shareholders won't like that.

>>45885974
Nijisisters applying their tribalism to real politics

>>45863436
That's less than the cost of one low rung employee. Simple operating cost for them and they probably get better ROI out of it.

>>45879589
you realize google's etc. advertising revenues have plunged too due to the bad economic enviroment? Advertising budgets in general have gotten axed.

>>45865068
Don't forget how he started messing with the code after firing everyone who knew what they were doing, proving himself to be completely inept and failing utterly to sound like he knew what he was doing.

And now he's phasing out 2FA with a phone number and attaching it to email instead, which is just ripe for abuse and identity theft. I just hope no bugs find out how to hack into my oshi's Twitter...

holos should just stick to youtube desu

Elon is too big to let Twitter fail. Whether it will still globally used as the main social website is another matter. It might end like tumbler, where only the far leftist still exists there (so Twitter will house mostly elon fanboys). But it might stay as a power house in social media IF Japanese artists decided to stay on Twitter. Tumble was big because it housed artists before it drove them off. Now, Japanese artists network and find jobs on Twitter, and if Elon was retarded enough to drive them off one day, the artists will flock to another website and most will follow them there, as most use Twitter for pretty art and anything else is a bonus. So either Twitter return to become big after Elon multitude live experiments on it or it devolve into Facebook

>>45887157
>firing everyone who knew what they were doing
I know right, how is Twitter going to survive when all the valuable employees like this fine young woman are gone?
https://youtu.be/qkQbHyLE6Tc

>>45887276
kek. the poor dears.

>>45887276
HR is not the same at the engineering team, anon. I know you've never worked a job, but this is an important distinction.

Ummm even the most high earning vtubers are only taking away 30k a year. I've been employed before so I know what I'm talking about.

>>45887395
No-one on the actual engineering team got fired though. Elon got some Tesla guys in to check how many commits people made over the past few months and cut the ones who contributed basically nothing. The rest of the firings were useless femoids and pajeets who were doing fuck all.

>>45887458
The pajeets were the ones who stayed though, because losing the job means losing their work visa.

If he hadn't fired most of his engineering team, we wouldn't get this gem.

>>45887157
>Don't forget how he started messing with the code after firing everyone who knew what they were doing,
I like how there's retards still repeating this after the claims that twitter would stop working "any second now" that journalists kept spamming never fucking happened.
I don't even give a fuck about musk. I just wish you fucking reddit retards would take your fucking reddit talking points back to lereddit and then fucking killled yourselves.

>>45887395
if you are really wanting to compare accomplishment i'm sure Musk's accomplishment are a bit more impressive than yours. He has worked rather successfully in a number of businesses.

>>45887458
Depends on how they manage their teams, there is a chance only the team leader commit. I am a team leader for a small software team in the company and it’s my job to review all my teams code and commit them myself. And if there is were something wrong with the code committed I am the one who get responsibility for it.

>>45887653
*accomplishments

>>45887641
It has stopped working, multiple times now. Including a failure of a variety of services tied to his attempt at trying to save money, such as that one time it let users upload entire movies.

>>45887784
>It has stopped working, multiple times now
Do we have a count on the number of troons who killed themselves over the downtime?

>>45887653
Musk can be genius at something while being fucking retarded at others. He’s good at managing applied engineering projects because he is a good engineer himself. But he is bad at understanding the internet so managing social media based site was bad of him (also applied engineering requires different skill set from software engineering, you see how he tackles software problems like they were fucking normal engineering problems (for example he wants to write the code for Twitter from scratch, which is fucking insane thing to fucking even suggest for site as big as twitter, but it’s smart if we’re talking about designing cars, doing it from scratch gives different insights )

>>45887919
the only reason he was able to afford twitter at all was because it has been stagnant in terms of its valuation since he went public. It wasn't a well run company before and the stock never appreciated. It was also effectively controlled by US intelligence and at least that's not completely the case anymore.

>>45888142
*since it went public

>>45887919
That's the thing, he is doing something. As you said, letting it go stagnant is the worst outcome. Despite all the setbacks, its popularity is still rising.

The predictions of Twitter's demise, are as valid as Russia's demise. Wishful thinking?

>>45887919
>because he is a good engineer himself.
Anon, Musk diploma is not engineering but a bullshit thing about business management.

>>45887653
Actually....about that
When you start digging into his stuff he kinda has a history of being an absolute fuckup, he's basically Mark Zuckerberg all over again and has a history of just buying stuff and
PayPal literally was almost even more fucked than it is because he was too stupid to understand how to use unix and wanted everyone to use windows servers and in general was causing so many problems that he was bought out at the cost of him being labeled as one of the head people of the project even though it was more functional without him
Then you have Tesla. Another company that was functional, he bought it and made it into a big deal but was later removed from his position as CEO and Tesla is struggling to keep up due to a failure to really keep up with competition and several investors are starting to think he's spending way too much time on Twitter to the point of calling him out publicly on Twitter about him being terminally online
SpaceX is literally government funded because without government funds it would be a black hole of profit.

He's less competent than your average 4chan janny

>>45888301
Yeah, I think he's just good at raising money by pitching products at his rich buddies and government contacts. Based on how he's handled Twitter, I doubt he actually knows that much about cars or rockets and just parroted what actual engineers told him.

Not to diss on him completely, of course, because they are big accomplishments that required a lot of effort and luck/nepotism to get the contracts.

>>45888142
Twitter was god shit before Elon and after it. I am going to be honest with you, I slightly like Twitter now because I don’t actually get fucking suspended over “suspicious behavior” ( I never fucking talked about politics in my fucking entire life I just made an account and went to follow my favorite artists then boom got fucking suspended). But elon promised he will fix all Twitter problems but he ducking barely fixed shit while made shit worse and that’s why he is a lolcow now. In terms of code development and performance, I can’t believe I am saying this but musk made twitter before to look fucking competent compared to his mess (at least before they have the audacity to beta test new features , now musk directly experiment (or he did tests but they were so inadequate) on the fucking user and making the website goes down on the process.)
But I guess it might be positive if you think about it on terms of features added, elon added too many features in short period of time (but they brought fucking millions of bugs with them) but old twitter barely ever added new feature (excuse is that they tested them throughly, I didn’t trust them before but compared to musk, their new features did introduce many bugs but at least not musk level)
So twitter is far more better for me personally because I don’t know how I can’t look not suspicious to the CIA

>>45888583
of course he was subsidized and well networked but he is still objectively very accomplished relative to the vast majority of people on the earth by any reasonable standard.

>>45856824
jesas christ its gonna be $5000+ a month for Cover. unless I read wrong that each affiliate they make costs an additional $50 from the gold checkmark.

I don't know if its worth it, especially where the homos are concerned. An additional 50 bucks of upkeep each.


>>45857266
HoloPlus

>>45865963
I wonder if the Japanese government would buy it, what with how the population is pretty connected to twitter.

>>45856824
Fubuki...

>>45888935
It's fucking over

My prediction: Japanese telephone carriers will find a way to monetize Mastodon and begin offering it as a service to their subscribers, and this will end up with brands like Cover operating their own Mastodon instances.

>>45867335
I don't care about the rest of this but

>who is using government funds for SpaceX to try to prop up the failing site.

there is no actual 'cargo carrying to orbit' spaceflight company in the US that isn't using government funds you mongoloid.

>>45888895
It'll likely end up being used as collateral when he declares that it's bankrupt.
So it'll probably go back to the banks unless he receives a very very very lucrative offer of about 50 billion for it and nobody is gonna wanna pay that much for a site that made less than 1/10 of that in profit

>>45889032
Sure, I don't really see what that has to do with the argument at hand though. My point is that he himself is seen as a burden because he doesn't know jack shit about any of the businesses he buys and the only one that's doing decent is one that is being directly funded by the government.

>>45889019
It'd actually not be a terrible idea for cover, anycolor or any company worth their weight to get a mastodon service since they'd have direct control over it and could easily ban and delete stuff like doxing and harassment.
On the downside, it'd likely be sfw only so porn artists would have to find a way to interact with the community without showing what they're capable of

>>45888287
Social media unlike most software have the luxury to go stagnant for longer, since if you got large user base their content can sustain the website.
I understand where elon is coming from, he’s trying to solve the advertising problem as fast as possible, and I honestly think his ideas is good in theory. But his fast way of implementing things which cause a lot of bugs that harm content creators. And also there were stupid rules that you are not allowed to link to other sites which is fucking was retarded from Elon ( a lot of Japanese artists got suspended for linking their marshmallow and it was known in JP as the greate Twitter freeze, most of those artists didn’t bother to reinstate their accounts due to anger, this damage Twitter content and user base).
I think Elon’s idea work if he had a good software engineer in his company that can implement this features while having good understating of the code but Twitter is Twitter, it was never known for its outstanding code, and he’s bad at software himself so… (and no he can’t hire a new one if he doesn’t wants to implement the features fast enough, the good software engineer should be already familiar to the code).
So Elon’s fault is A) he doesn’t really understand software engineer B) Twitter don’t have actually competent workers to actually realize Elon’s vision C) He doesn’t understand what made Twitter popular (or the internet in general)

>>45889280
There were veterans he fired that had worked with the legacy code for years, so him not having competent workers was of his own doing. Unfortunately, highly skilled software engineers are expensive and he balked at the cost.

Extremely thinly veiled /pol/ thread

>>45889280
Realistically speaking what ideas has he really implemented that impressed you? Honestly he made it way harder to tell that businesses were legitimate and continues to do so with his update on April 1st
He allowed for longer videos to be uploaded to twitter at the cost of $8 a month but this just creates more stress on the servers since it now has even more to deal with when it comes to both compression and hard drive space which racks up the costs over time and for the most part I don't think anyone has any real problems with the shorter videos before hand.
He allowed twitter blue to type more but if you have an older version of the app the way he implemented this literally makes it to where you have to read the tweets in your browser
He brought ui elements that were previously hidden behind a click up to the front but a lot of users really didn't like this and to this day use extensions and older apps to get rid of it because it feels incredibly cluttered

Like I don't wanna be that guy but what exactly has he done thats at all been

>>45889971
It is but to be fair I do fear where I'll keep up with my oshi if twitter ever goes down. YouTube is unreliable as fuck and I don't wanna check YouTube every day to see if she updated something

>>45890037
R*ddit...

>>45889280
Elon is strange, while one moment he's egotistical, then another he can be humble. If an idea does not work out, he's not too prideful to revert it.
It's a good thing that there's no competition with better engineers.

>>45857266
Twitter isn't going anywhere.
If it gets too bad, Elon will just sell it off to someone else.

>>45856824
I think they already are, if you look at them all they all have had the blue checkmark for a while now, my guest is for the security feature.

>>45890507
There's a chance a bankruptcy court might end ordering a liquidation of company property to settle accounts. This means servers, real estate, office supplies, etc...

>>45889274
I think the Cover instance would be just for Cover employees. Fans would be on the telephone carrier instances, artists would be on the art instances.
The Cover instance federates only with the telephone carrier instances and selected art instances. To evade a block you'd either have to switch telephone carriers or go through one of the art instances.
The art instances will probably either self-regulate or else risk defederation by brands like Cover (which will cause them to hemorrhage artists who want exposure from major brands).

>>45857266
>t. everyone did not see the adverts during holofes where they showed off their own twitter-like application for hololive talents only.

yall idiots. they don't need twitter in about 6 months when this app is fully live and in english. they will still use it for expanding their reach and generating buzz, but if you just go to twitter for schedules and updates they'll have a lot of that there most likely.

>>45856824
Fucking twitter trannies. Social media was a mistake.

>>45857266
Truth social

>>45890507
No one in their right mind will buy twitter on unless Elon sells for dirt cheap. (Millions, not billions). Expect bankruptcy first.

>>45856824
Look the date, normie

>>45856824
>Yagoo gonna pay $1000 a month for his talents, right?
yes

>>45862960
I'm putting my oshi in my top 3

>>45856824
sure

>>45891006
I think you have talent.
Should have applied as NijiEN staff.

>>45858934
based

>>45865341
He is a conman. He thinks he's an engineer but he's just retarded
Where's the Tesla Roadster? Got his fanboys to pay 200k and 3-4 years later there is still no launch date
Where's the Cybertruck?
Doge to $1?

>>45857266
Hololy apps