/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Ignore the falseflag OP

MOUSEY LOVE

>>4559451
like 90% of their annual budget goes towards the "talents not being a bunch of whores" expense

>>4559502
Blessed Watame for being the 10%

damn, Ironmouse looks like THAT?

>>4559451
Her face looks awful in that 3d model

>>4560921
Your face looks awful.

>>4559502
Holobased.

>>4559451
I can't. Western vtubers blow cover out of the water with models and rigging. Even a lot of indies like tsundaria seems better. What gives

Is it me or the waist area looks kinda, let's say like a typical One Piece female character?

>>4560921
Her face always looks awful.

>>4559451
OP you're a fucking faggot but still MOUSY LOVE

Why waste money on vtuber that will die soon? You aren't going to use that model again after they're gone unless for dark humor purposes.

looks like a koikatsu model with a custom head

Veibae’s model looks better than anything hololive has.

Code Miko is miles ahead of everyone

>>4559451
>3D≠better

>>4559451
Same reason costumes on the CW look worse than cosplay. Cover has to budget money for this shit, while ironmouse can just spend whatever she has at the moment on a new model

>>4559451
Based Satan conquering the hot tub category on Twitch.
>>4560921
Her face is cute. Your taste is just shit.

>>4559451
Susan, the Reverend Mother, disapproves the usage of swimsuits.

>>4560921
Her face on this model is fucking adorable, kill yourself.

>>4559451
If you think that model is good, you should fucking kill yourself.

>>4559451
It's really sad/funny all the Vshojo models look a million times better than HoloEN models

>>4561360
Commit sudoku, Jap.

>>4559451
>>4561366
anons dont lie to us... how much does vshojo pays you to shill their company and talents in this board by stating an apparent superiority to hololive?.

>>4561240
>>4561293
>chin is unnaturally pointy
>rounded babyface
>eye looks like it's pasted to the side of the head
>cute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNCtlunWezk

>>4561562
You just described the token anime style most vtubers have

>>4561027
>>4561220
Big fat F for Shin Umiushi

>>4560921
holosharts were mistake

>>4561599
What the fuck that was actually good

>>4561513
Absolutely nothing.

Hail the queen of Twitch.

>>4559502
more like yagoo's luxury prostitutes and cocaine

>>4562150
Yes.

>>4561949
>not subbed
how dare you

>>4559451
As a Holofag, I honestly can't.
They've given 3d Models to a few of their talents like Sora and Miko, but the model I've seen from Melody is much better.
I don't know how Mousey's model compares to Melody's, but it's a shame Cover Corp.'s can't keep up with VShojo's, or other twitch Indies's models.

>>4559451
Because Cover talents don't need gimmick bait to get people to watch their content. Vshohore on the other hand...

>>4562678
That's not a good thing anon. A lack of real competition is preventing Cover from being innovative. They're too comfortable and letting all the other VTubers supersede them in terms of model quality.

>>4559502
spbp

>>4559451
Unfortunately Hololive has always had kinda shit models. They've serviceable, but hardly acceptable with how big they are nowadays, and especially not compared to say, Nijisanji's 3D.
>inb4 "coping nijiniggers"
Holofag btw, just realistic

>>4559451
Why the fuck does she look like a koikatsu character

There is a reason Pegora and Marine is popular and it aren't because of their model quality. Using pretty high quality model to made up for lack of entertainment are for female twitch streamer.

>>4559705
Anon chama your obsessed meds?

>dying
>jokes about hell

>>4561680
You... you know Ironmouse is a trained singer, right?

>snuffy, an indie horny stoner, has a 2D miles ahead of anything holo has to offer
>said 2D is objectively worse than her 3D
What fucking excuse does Hololive have?

>>4561155
Just get enough of their voice clips and then have an AI do the rest so they can live forever.

>>4562547
>Giving whores money while not getting your dick wet

>>4563120
>small tech startup

>>4561949
>Queen of Twitch
>Twitch
>not even the highest of her corp
>not even subbed to her
>>4563120
>2D
>post 3D

You guys are really pathetic, this would probably work on the newest of fucks but not the exodus chads

>>4563231
Here's her 2D, which is 100x more expressive than your oshi. Weep for me.

>>4563264
My Oshi has way more subs and views than Snuff every will now kneel for me

>>4563449
>popular movies are usually crap
>popular music is usually crap
>popular tv shows are usually crap
>popular vtubers are usually...

>>4563449
And Pewdiepie, Dream, and xQc have more than your Oshi, should you kneel to their fans?

>>4561047
She's a fan of One Piece and it is a one piece swimsuit, so probably intentional.

>>4563615
>popular = bad
You need to go back
>>4563658
I never stated who my oshi is

i'd bang that rrat

>>4561680
Anon, she's a classically trained singer. She just started dying at some point.

>>4563658
I don't even know who those people are.

>>4559451
I don't watch this retard. Why do I care?

>>4563830
It doesn't matter who your oshi is, they have fewer subs than those people thus proving they are inferior by your retard logic.

>>4563658
Just fuck off. Go away.

>>4564315
Sorry that you got exposed while trying to numberfag. Lemme guess, cumshart?

>>4564653
I just came in like 5 minutes go. Go away. Piss off. Don't come back.

>>4561220
That doesn't make a lick of sense in this context.
There are good reasons, but you haven't used one.

>>4564696
Don't give in. Attempt to find a resolution, or at least look good doing it.
For instance, is it possible that Hololive is investing their money elsewhere?

>>4559451
What get's me is that the VShojo 2d models have the ability to add accessories that will follow the models, while the best Hololive can do is have static image overlays that aren't aligned most of the time.

>>4565388
Yeah, I actually get the feeling that's one of the reasons Mousey prefers her 2d. She loves wearing her derpy glasses and Jotaro hat.

>>4564752
But that is the correct reason. Budget dictates how everything under a company is handled.

Just for the sake of reference:
>Smart Suit Pro: $2,500
>Smart Glove: $1000
>3D Model: Depending on how they're sourced, it could be a fixed or ongoing cost. Not cheap.
Now multiply this by however many Holos there are at the time and you will start noticing how expensive this can get. Remember that they also have support staff behind the scenes, royalties and license fees to pay.

They are probably also allocating money into other project that we have no knowledge of (like Hololive Alternative).

>>4563066
>>4564050
First time seeing vshojo, I thought they were all trained sluts

>>4559451
idk about the cover part, but personally i believe this was the peak of her design and dont understand why she ever bothered changing it from this one to something else

>>4561027
And those western vwhores are still light-years behind the lowest of the Holos.

>>4559451
I find the amateurish rigging far more appealing and comfy.

>>4559451
And this 3d model still looks shit compared to models some Holos have

>>4565388
It's a feature of Vtube Studio, Cover uses their own in house software. They haven't updated it in a while, probably focusing resources somewhere else. They can license Vtube Studio but it'll likely cost them a very significant amount of money.

>>4559502
based

>>4559617
wtf i love latinx's now???

>>4561366
She literally looks like shit

Are you niggers retarded?

>>4565922
i'm a holo supremacist but you're still a numberfag

Cover uses some proprietary software that still can't compete with other 3rd party offerings. This also explains why it's just recently that the home3D models cover has can track hand movements while other agencies have been doing it since last year.

>>4566126
To be fair to them, they had one the best software especially in the early days until vtubing started to pick up and more third party options became available. VTube Studio was pretty shit until around midway last year. Cover slowed down development to focus on the entertainment aspect and their own rapid expansion.

>>4566425
Kinda interesting seeing hololive spark up the development of other vtubing softwares while their own software is lagging behind. Only now they start recruiting people to update their software, it's a shame though that they still prefer JP applicants.

>>4559451

For better or (mostly) worse, you need to be as inventive when you are the market leader. You can see that with the recent pokemon games. People are still going to buy your shit even if it is half assed.

>>4566653
As someone who works as a developer for a Japanese company...well, Japanese developers are just not very good in general. I've had to work at half or third speed just so I don't get too far ahead of my team, and even then it still happens so I get assigned more work. I've had to remind my current team lead during a code review that you can't assign a null value to primitive data types...

>>4559451
Cause nobody really cares about who has the best model, zentreya had a shit VRchat model for the longest time and he was still killing it, same with mousy and her big head one, if it depended on the model itself then all of vshojo would have been swept by froot.

>>4559451
Every update made her worse. Her very first model is still the best one and by far the worst is her newest titty monster lady.

>>4570030
Agree, honestly I kind of feel bad because it seems like she has a new reveal of some sort every month and yet they all feel off in one way or another. Original mouse is still best mouse.

>>4561366
Holy fuck, at least use a better angle that doesn't make her look like a discount Silvervale

>>4561240
>>4561293
Nah, Miko's is better.

>>4570030
>>4571751
I disagree and actually like all three of her current models. But you two might be happy to know she is getting S1 Mouse remade so it works with her current software, so it should show up again at some point.

>>4559451
This is something that really bugs me, why do hololive models look so bad? Gura's model is a joke, her face is shaped like shovel. Some are good though, Kiara got a really good model.

>>4572495
>Kiara
maybe from the front, the side movement rigging is absolute trash.

>>4559451
One of these was provided by the biggest (by far) Vtuber company in the industry, for the biggest Vtuber in the industry.
The other was commissioned by a former Twitch indie for her redebut.

Cover is getting complacent.

>>4573195
Maybe ensure that the talents behind the model actually have something to offer so that Cover at least will try to see them as motivation to improve

>>4573195
But that's not Nijisanji or Kizuna Ai

>>4559502
based

>>4559451
They hire shitty riggers. Just look at anya. The only good rigger is whoever rig Reine but still lacking honestly. Cover should fired whoever in charge of finding this 2D rigger.

>>4573195

send it to yahoo

>>4573969
vei and kiara have the same rigger, one looks like shit and with a face thats just sheered image, the other looks almost 3d.

>>4574119
Fr!? Damn! I guess they werent into it when rigging for Kiara.

>>4574211
veis debut also got pushed back multiple times for a total of 3 months because the guy had to do work for hololive in between or change things for her, so im guessing indies/vshojo have the freedom to give the rigger more time and tell him to change things till they are satisfied while hololive works on strict deadlines.

I agree OP. Sora's early model was waayyyy smooth and was really ahead of it's time. Even better than Kizuna Ai's. But nowdays it got downgraded to that weird ass big head she got. Sigh... wtf the designer thing making it like that baka

>>4559451
Mousey only has one good model and it was the first one, you're retarded and should feel bad for being such a retard.

>>4574211
Keffiy is one of the best in the industry, by far. They also worked on Watame (who had the best rigging in Hololive for a while), new Coco, new Akirose, and Ollie.

>>4574282
I dont see that as a reason to do a shitty job tho. I've seen many small indies/freelance out there who works of 2 or 3 commission and still do a far better job. Again Cover really should be more picky in choosing these illust/rigger

>>4574359
Nah they are all shitty with stiff movement. It's the talent's skill make good use of those shitty rig that make it seems like it's good rig

>>4559451
the cover cut goes to playing management, CEO pay and their one guy in their tech department who also does hologra
Any song or model is paid by the talent themselves so most of them who thing what they have is good enough wont spend what they have on a new model

>>4574427
Some stiffness is unavoidable, but Keffiy shines in making 2D models as versatile as possible, rigging bodies, cloth, and so on. Kiara has the best rigging in her gen, closely followed by Mori.

>>4559451
Because Vshojo models are all done by highly prolific Western 3D artists, with extensive pedigree. Silver and Mouse both got their models from theArtGun, who knows his shit far better than whoever's making models for Hololive.
Cover doesn't want to pay someone like him thousands of dollars, so they develop their 3D models in-house, with stiff rigging and barely any facial animation.

because hololive doesnt pay for 1 model every 2 years but for 3-5 models every few months.
retardchama...

>>4574828
Not a fucking excuse when Nijisanji have far more members, far more models and outfit and far better quality. Seriously, where the fuck all the superchat cut goes?

>>4573195
how much makeup do you think one can apply to the face before turning into a plastic doll?

>>4559451
There is no justifying it, half of vshojo has rigging and design that is as good as the top of hololive and in many cases better. Makes no sense considering Cover has been doing it's thing for years now and is absolutely loaded. Meanwhile shitty western vtubers can pull a top tier model out of their ass with few connections and a small budget. All I can assume is that they're either incompetent or complacent.

>>4559451
Every single mousey design is a dumpster fire

Cover doesn't have to use fancy models to keep peoples attention.

>>4559451
But they do actually have better models? It's a lot better now since there's a bit of improvements.

>>4574955
Doesn't Nijisanji hardly pay for anything? I remember one of their livers had to fund his concert primarily by himself.

>>4574977
Well she did say she had dick sucking lips.

>>4575146
This. They don't really use their full 3D body that often aside from events. There's no much reason to set a larger budget for their 3D. I don't even know if a new Mo cap suit is a good investment since it could really botch anything they've done so far with their models. Better they start from the scratch with their own 3D riggings suited for regular streaming like those new hands from Sora and Miko stream.

>>4573195
I don't see anything wrong here. Gura's model earns her more money and subs/followers than Vei.

>>4575285
Even Gura's eyes are misaligned. There's a ton wrong with her model.

>>4559451
Cover doesn't give a shit. Example, Sora's base model being in a constant state of grimacing for half a year now. It got to the point where Sora almost never uses the old one anymore. On 30 recent streams, she only used it on 3 streams

>>4575285
She earns that in spite of having a worse model, not because of it.

>>4566018
Cover's tech support accessories though, they just don't seem to commission them beyond getting the model.
I assume all the holos use png overlays because it's something they can whip up by themselves in 10 minutes for a stream.

>>4561599
That was shit, sounds like someone who can actually sing but putting in zero effort. Souless.

>>4575324
Sure, but it's gonna get fixed sooner or later. The general audience doesn't seem to mind all that much and she still looks pretty cute with it.

>>4575543
That's not point. Cover should do better, full stop.

A model drawn by Kuroboshi himself, with proper rigging, looks better and more charming than 3D. Snuffy's 2D model looks better than her 3D, for example.

>>4559451
Anon... I am sorry but even hololive models looks better than this thing.

1. Why are there so many literal cock suckers who dislike Mouse's big ass titty monster model?

2. What's Mouse's reason to keep using the lower res models?

>>4575751
looks like a Nukige character

>>4575751
>demon form
more like skank form

>>4575751
I'm fine with the tits and even the lewdness, but the design is just boring to me. I WANT to like it, but I can't make myself.

>>4575751
She said she only wants to use it for special occasions. So expect to see it in a collab with Mori.

>>4562814
It's also not a good thing to chase model quality above all else either.
If model quality was the penultimate measurement of how successful and innovative streamers are, then the ones with the best models would be at the top regardless of talent. The fact is, much like AAA games that only tout next gen graphics, model quality is not what determines success in this industry. Ultimately it is the personality behind the avatar which determines the success of a streamer. Nicer models are just a nice bonus but is not necessary.

>>4575751
I miss her. Fuck /vt/'s general opinion on it, I love that model's expressiveness and detail.
>>4576101
Yeah, that's where I expect it to show up again since Mori tweeted at her about it a couple times also.

>>4577003
Same. Gremlin Mouse is charming, but that model is pretty damn gorgeous.

>>4575340
True. Sora's old model (although ofthen scuff) is more expressive and fluid than this one. Glad she got that casual outfits.

Cover = Pokemon
Why put in more effort or spend more budget when people will give you money no matter what?

>>4559451
I wish mousey didnt burn away all the money she makes in new outfits and models every week..

>>4559451
The models are fine. All of Cover's latest models are great.
The rigging on the other hand...

>>4575340
Roboco had that iussue for so long and it was jaring to look at. She got it upgradef for birthday finalyl so now she can properly express and not look creepy all the time.

>>4559470
Mouselove.

>>4577420
What else is there to burn the money on? Her parents take care of her healthcare, she makes sure to provide as much money as possible on that stuff. But some cash would always be left over, and she doesn't need clothes or fancy food, she never leaves her room. Vtubing is her life, so she wants to have as much fun as possible with it.

.>>4577420
>I wish mousey didnt burn away all the money she makes in new outfits and models every week..
Anon, there is nothing she can buy except healthcare. She doesn't need clothes, she can't go out. She doesn't need food, she can't eat. She can buy computer games, yes. But those really don't cost that much.

Mouse is in a situation where the only thing she can spend money on is "not dying as quickly".

I fucking hate Hololive models, when they turn its like thy are being skewed with Photoshop and their mouth tracking is god awful.
How the fuck multimillion company does worse than fucking indie western vtubers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShVnWiRus7o

Not even worse than vhores but fucking worse than independent literal who vtubers.

>>4561366
>implying
All mousey models are the first one are nothing but garbage. Thankfully mousey is still there.