/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>45530659
Bae is unfair, she improved a lot compared to her genmates non-kiara

The Gura anti is still mad that Gura is more popular and successful than his oshi. Jealousy does horrible things to people. You gotta let it go

gets mogged this, gets mogged that. How about you mog your life and do something productive

>>45530659
Are you seriously comparing Gura to a pro dancer like Bae? Bae has such a lead on her that Gura will have a hard time catching up to her for the duration of her entire hololive career
You are retarded, her solo performance was great and she got the crowd pumping with her energy and song choice. Idols aren't solely based on their dancing skills

>>45530659
Yet Gura is more popular and successful. Where did that dancing get Bae? lol

proof pls

>>45531005

>>45530758
>she improved a lot compared to her genmates
To start with, she limited her potential at debut greatly because she was obsessed with becoming le chaos rat. She needed to play the character she was given and that mindset set her back. Once she took the limiter of false expectations off, she could finally show her real power.
I still remember when people said that Kronii would be good if she did the same thing, stopped playing this narcissistic character and became a great streamer comfortable with herself instead. But Kronii clings to that character as her safety net.

Idk, looks like Gura is doing pretty good to me.

>>45531086
That poster of her is sure, it seems to be staying in place, but you know that isn't really Gura right anon?

>>45531121
Yes, that is Gura. Tard

>>45531121
Gura isn't on the poster? What kind of cope is this? lol

>>45531149
No, is a poster of Gura.

>>45530905
Don't call them idols if they can't even do one of that two requirements

The 'dancing' debates are all hilarious to me, you see chuubas dancing like twice a year, my oshi could stand in one place for all I care. And well, she kinda did (Mumei), still amazing

>>45531149
>>45531250
>Chumkeks aren't very bright and too ESL to understand a simple sentence.
Shocked I tell you, shocked.

>>45530905
>>45531338
guess Suisei is dog doodoo then

>I got nothing to bitch about so I’ll just pull rrats out of my asshole for bait the thread
Kek

>>45531395
Suisei can sing and focuses her energy there, most of EN can't sing OR dance. You forgot the end of that sentence: >>45531338
>can't even do one of that two requirements
At least one is needed.

>>45530659
Just watch Kobo. She's blue, water themed, uoh, and actually streams. It's time to move on, chumbuds.

>>45530659
>Holofags are so delusional they think Cover would entrust 2 of the 3 whales of NijiEN to actually dance
You're basically asking "why did bae's skinwalker outshine gura's"

>>45531374
>you see chuubas dancing like twice a year, my oshi could stand in one place for all I care.
I always find it funny that Holoive fans always make the most convincing arguments as to why the streamers are not really idols and it is all a marketing gimmick to drive up sales.
The way they usually try to circumvent their own logic though is by ending with
>And that is why you can't actually define what an idol even is, it is a completely blank term which you can fill with comedian, entertainer etc. and yet still be one.
Have you considered the fact if you can't define what an idol is because few in Hololive fit the definition, however broadly you put it, that means they simply are not idols?

>>45531729
>NijiEN
Sister, you are slipping badly.

>>45531508
i dont speak indo

>>45530659
based

>>45531865
>singers
>dancers
>marketed for personality
>merchandise
>parasocial relationship with fans
Yep, it checks out. Hololive are idols.

>>45530659
Bae probably has been dancing and keeping herself fit ever since her highschool days, that's why she got the experience moving her body with great proficiency, and even choreographed her own solo performance, so of course she would look better dancing side by side with Gura.
The only acceptable argument to OP is still Gura didn't have to be the best performer, she never had to be at that level on stage because it's too much effort with too little gain for her so far.
Bae, on the other hand, had to prove herself at least to the corpo and nips and probably the gooks she's been cultivating, so she can get a chance for the spot in future 3DLives, because she's a performer who wants to perform. And that's pretty much it, she doesn't expect to get more from it no matter how good she is on stage, because we all know the majority of EN viewers don't give a single fuck about the girls' idol performance, they just want their entertainment onahole. Even though this board is plagued with schizophrenia and faggotry you would find the random anon on a horny thread to care more about their performance than the average EN viewer.
Just not this guy >>45531374

>>45531729
Nigger this ain't amateur falseflag hours we're having a decent Holo dancing thread no need to inject your gossip drama here

too bad bae is such a cum sock for the males or i'd watch her

>>45531452
>they fell for it
So it's the Shartgrazers trying to attack other Holos during Holofes? Worst fanbase.

>>45530659
I got to be honest with you guys, I don't much care for the dancing. I mean yeah it's nice watching them move on stage but I'm not gonna sit down and re-watch the same choreographed routine over and over. How about getting good at karaoke that I can play in the background while I work. Or ASMR I can sleep to. Or finding ways to make funny/riveting gameplay.

>>45531121
Ceci n'est pas une pipe dumbass

>>45530659
You're getting it wrong OP. It's not
>What went wrong to gura
it's
>what went right for bae
and the answer to that is that bae put in hard work and effort and it's paying off. as a bae fan I couldn't be happier for her. she is easily the most underrated vtuber in the major corpos.

>>45531865
Hololive are not idols, almost every one of them has an hours-long compilation of yabai language waiting to be made. Comparing them to real-life idols is hilarious. Completely different job. I wouldn't expect a Hooters girl to be pure even if she looked like it, though VTubing is definitely less raunchy.

>>45531024
MY GOD THATS HOT

>>45532225
Half the board is praising Bae now, half the board is calling her runt and her fans cucks. I can't keep up anymore, this board fluctuates like the New York Stock Exchange. In the end your oshi mogs someone 500 times a month and gets mogged 500 times a month too.

>>45532208
>Shartgrazers
Newfags just out themselves

>>45530659
Bold of you to assume any of this was actually them and live
Nobody would ever know the difference theres nothing to gain so prerecording everything just ensures no fuckups
Also why give somebody that will forever hide behind an avatar dance lessons

>>45532428
>half the board is calling her runt and her fans cucks
Well that one just has many factors to it, like schizos don't like it when they go to catalog and see all the Bae praise and how she one upped their oshis.
The few schizos of /HiRyS/ regulars that escaped their containment split to go out of their way to smear shit on Bae's success because they're still mad about BaeRyS till this very day, and also the fact Cover grouped IRyS with Mori didn't help.
The Brats on this board are generally very submissive, it could be a number thing, or they're just genuinely pretty chill as a fandom despite all the mating press posting, so they're easy to pick on without fear of much retaliation.
And also the one single schizo from global who snapped when he learned it was Bae who picked the TikTok song for Council unit performance.

>>45531508
She collabs with men.
No thanks

>>45532518
holy shit it really is suisei fans attacking holos.

>>45531086
oh so that's why she doesn't stream. she's on a fucking billboard.

>>45532428
I dont really care about her, her heccin' wacky aussie grill shtick isn't my thing

I only like Bae for her model. She could dance like Mori and I'd still fap to it.

>>45530659
They both did great. Best duo. Gura needs a sexier outfit. Gura isn't the type to be just satisfied. This will help push her.
Doesn't this song get better the more it's listened to?

>>45533378
Why in the hell would you want to be parasocial for Kobo? Besides, you're literally in a thread that's praising Bae

>>45530659
Imao brrats still don't know the rules of the game and think *lap dancing* is somthing that could be using for flexing
btw Gura will 100% be in the new mysterious big project and Umisea and shit, Her unannounced projects are stacked on the pile rn.

The rrat stole that fucking show. Gura had no chance. I can't believe how well Bae was singing. The way she peaked her voice was amazing. She is 1000% idol material. More than Gura.

Tbf Gura would be happy if her branchmates got more popular, less pressure on her

>>45534308
Blue Journey is about sad stuff based on the teaser they posted. I’m not sure if Gura’s into that.

>>45534845
Bae and Gura are on the same team.
Better to say Bae and Gura have put Nijisanji's talents into deeper depression. Knowing they will never perform like this. Nor will have a large crowd cheering them on. They rightfully have a reason to complain.

>>45535014
>sad stuff based on the teaser they posted. I’m not sure if Gura’s into that.
That is what Gura is into.

>>45535061
I like Gura, a lot. Bae was just better this time around. Gura's song choice was very mid.

>>45535108
>Gura's song choice was very mid
I prefer Bae's performance as well and I might just go a head and call it the best EN solo performance but that take ain't it my nigger Megu Megu Faiya Endless Night was unfathomably cultured from Gura. Sure she could have done better with a different song but her choice still remains as disgustingly based.

>>45532706
Brats as a fanbase aren't real. It's just a catch all term for all the other EN and JP fanbases who watch Bae when their oshi isn't on.
That's why they seem submissive since Bae is just their second or third place.

>>45535108
>Gura's song choice was very mid
I was as excited as the crowd. That was no mid cheering.

>>45532024
well if you can't sing/dance we call it whore

>>45531024
Thats some street styles dancing
Do you think she has experience prior hand?

They were the two top performances, but Gura does seem to have edged out a victory.

>>45531121
Tatanga tanga din eto no.

>>45531288
>>45531383
I'm the ESL? You are the fucking ESL retard you thought I meant Gura was taking the picture. Learn fucking English. I never said or implied she took the picture. Holy fucking ESL tard

>>45530659
Moona, Ollie, and Risu completely mogged the entire EN branch.

>>45536172
I thought she was a professional before joining holo. Backup dancer or whatever, I'm not really certain.

>>45536457
what in the autism is this

>>45536457
You have to be kidding me

>>45536457
>ayame that low
this isn't accurate

>>45536172
She has a lot of experience. She also made her own choreography because she is used to street dance

>>45536457
Okayu is the loudest?

>>45531508
no thanks

>>45536875
>>45536951
>>45536967
be grateful to number batman

>>45536967
>>45538083
No, the smaller number is better.

>>45536172
she's talked about how she used to be into hip hop style dancing, i think she even went to dance school.

>>45538368
Gura wins again. But but but the rat....lol.

>>45531024
This doesn't even look special to me. I've seen strippers dance like at the titty bar. I don't see what everyone is impressed about

>>45538083
I think the smaller number is better but I'm not sure why. The guy didn't explain it

>>45538532
Also a huge fan of BTS.
BTS became popular from being a nobody because of their choreography and their ability to actually dance.

Bae was great, but isn't Goddish kinda Laplus' song?

>>45532706
>And also the one single schizo from global who snapped when he learned it was Bae who picked the TikTok song for Council unit performance.
This is quite funny, since they needed to pick a song that Fauna was even capable of singing whatsoever. Blame the board's favorite chuckling vegan uwu girl for nerfing the entire trio's performance.

>>45538641

>>45538678
>but isn't Goddish kinda Laplus' song?
What a weird board narrative this is. Laplussy sang a cover of someone else's song, she does not own it just because you happened to hear her cover months ago.

>>45530659
>What went wrong for Gawr Gura?
nothing

>>45531024
This is good dancing ?
You see this shit on tiktok all the time lole
Whats next calli is actually a good rapper?

>>45538674
Bae is not that big into BTS, she's a bigger fan of Blackpink, she's more of a fan of groups like Big bang, girls generation, PSY and EXO

Why care if she doesn't stream? The only negative is that people who want to do in-gen collabs are fucked over (Kiara and kind of Mori) because she's impossible to get ahold of past the little stint in Japan. Past that, he lack of streaming doesn't do anything to someone who doesn't watch her or care about her.

>>45538710
I thought the group performance was really good? Were there people who actually didn't like it? It was the perfect song for Bae to pick knowing she was working with Kronii and Fauna who aren't great singers, no offense to them otherwise.

>>45530659
https://youtu.be/edYKgbXlFgY

funny

>>45540555
I thought it was good too, cute little song sang in 3 distinct voices

>>45540591
mating press

>>45536457
>numberfagging loudness
How miserable do you fucking have to be

>>45541383
Cope, Gura #1 once again.

>>45535061
That's the proper mindset to have desu

>>45541470
I like Gura, not every response is fucking coping. This is degenerate regardless of who's 'top'

>>45541605
>enter bait thread
>complain about the only mildly interesting post.
Anon, I...

>>45536457
I can get behind this kind of numberfagging

>>45540591
People here love to shitpost and forget it isn't a compition, you don't have to compair every single liver to another. You can just enjoy the ones you like.

>>45541879
>liver

>throw shade at gura
>get a bunch of (you)s
Everytime

>>45539969
As likely the only person on this board who has sat through an entire Twyla Tharp Dance recital, yes, that is good dancing. (tbf, I was only there for the Phillip Glass scored portion)

>>45531121
imagine the cover seethe after paying for this and gura only streaming like once every other month for 61 minutes

>>45539969
the bar is extremely low, shes surrounded by a bunch of weaboo autists who just about manage to wave their hands to the beat

the fact shes mildly skilled, makes her a fuckin whale in a small pond

>>45543109
Based Glass enjoyer.

>>45530659
I wonder if this will have a siphon effect and convert some chumbuds into brats. Bae is the closest thing to a fellow kusogaki rival to Gura and after these performances could see a small (~1-4%) changeover amongst the fans already cooling on Gura of late.

>>45543109
Phillip Glass is great.

Honestly, why did people expect Gura to dance better than Bae? Dancing has never been her area of expertise, singing is. I thought that's been obvious since the start. She's NEVER shown any sort of real dancing chops, even during her 3D live and other streams.

And yet you think she's supposed to out dance someone who dances for fun and exercise and has been doing it for years?

Of course Bae was going to mog Gura. She mogged the entire fucking concert, both days. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone, on either day, that came close to matching Bae and her dancing.

Anyways, Bae was amazing. She literally stole the show in my opinion.

>>45544157
I'll be honest with you if singing is Gura's strongpoint she needs to do some work on reinforcing that as I feel like after this Fes she might be 3rd or 4th at best in regards to singing amongst EN now.

>was watching pic related instead of the concert
I regret nothing

>>45532035
>Gura didn't have to be the best performer, she never had to be at that level on stage because it's too much effort with too little gain for her so far
Based and true, Gura will always be number 1 no matter what, all of this dancing craps that Bae can pull won't get her anywhere if she's not on the caliber of an entertainer like Gura

>>45544276
This I can agree with. This is something I've actually noticed recently. But both Gura and Ina aren't the singers they once were when they debuted. I don't know the reason, maybe they took it more seriously back then than they do now, but both of them have taken several steps back in their singing ability.

>>45545645
Gura used to do a lot more karaokes that she'd take time to practice for, both because she didn't know the langue so she'd have to get the phonetics down and because she wanted to 'do better'. Now she doesn't give two fucks about streaming or real practicing. She did get some training for FES, but it'll be the usual routine for the next 9 months until FES is around the corner again.

>>45544339
Based

>>45531338
>>45531865
Whatever man. I'm here for the cute girls. If you want to seethe about what constitutes a "real idol", then be my guest.

>>45536457
now do lightsaber color counts in collabs to tell me who is more popular exactly.

I mean you are comparing the one who performed better than anyone on day 2 to her ofc she's not as good but she's a close second maybe third at least for me. Her song choice and singing were good and her coreography too was not that bad.

>>45531395
>>45531452
>Suisei cant dance
Uhuh, try again.
https://youtu.be/KJ97zeA1G-Y
https://youtu.be/pHWn8lXepZc

>>45531026
>But Kronii clings to that character
You sure that's just her vtuber "character" and not the personality she already associates herself with?

>>45531024
slay

>>45531338
What requirement? Being good at dancing or singing is NOT a requirement to be an idol.

>>45538083
>>45538641
"db from PEAK"
So the numbers are how much QUIETER it is than the max recorded during the event
No idea why they chose that metric kind of retarded but oh well

>>45540260
>OG fan
Based

>>45531024
While her movement are indeed really sharp(which is a good indicator of someone that can indeed dance) this isnt even the most difficult part of her choreo(which she put together herself.)

>>45550050
it's flawed because it doesn't factor in audience fatigue and the energy of the song.

>>45532428
>this board fluctuates like the New York Stock Exchange
This board is so volatile even cryptocoins are more stable.

>>45531026
>He doesn't know

>>45536967
>>45538083
>>45538368
>>45538641
>>45550050
This is measured in dB Full Scale, where 0 dB is the peak loudness a digital system can put out before distortion. Those measurements are supposed to be negative numbers; the crowd loudness reached -8.211 dB for Gura. The retarded numberfag who created the list forgot that so it reads like dB Sound Pressure Level, which measures loudness in real life.

this board proved me that people can make drama out of anything

>>45542647
He’s not wrong though.

>>45536696
reine was the big surprise for me she's so good on stage

>>45536457
HAHAHAHAHA. GURA WINS AGAIN!!!!

>>45543892
>be loyal to person that literally never streams
>"mmm, maybe this irrelevant shit will make chumbies swap"
Are you retarded? The only thing that will make chumbies drop Gura is getting pussy irl