/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Finally, i got Yuul done. Now to work on the ensemble pic.

>>4373734
God damn you're good at this

isnt yuul supposed to be a boy? why is everyone just drawin ina in a labcoat

>>4365269
Ina said she will draw the PCs.

>>4373734
Extremely cute. I wish she could keep those takodachis with her in the actual game. Like pets or summons in DnD, you know.

>>4375248
I know what you mean anon, it would be pretty cool. Also thank god i managed to finish these before the canon designs came out.

>>4375126
People drawing what they're used to, probably.

>>4365650
I recommend reading the Wormwood scenario in Gehenna, the literal only that stops Caine from being forgiven is Caine himself.

I think the white wolf Systems are more beginner friendly than DnD or similar because you basically just add dice to your pool instead of having to weigh 3d6+3 against 1d20+1 and such. Then again I only ever played DnD videogames so I might be misinformed

>>4367422
>forcing everyone to be humans and a lack of race variance really hurts the roleplaying
DnD's interpretation of a races encourages you to choose stereotypes and so hurts roleplay even more
>just playing dungeons and dragons
And nothing hurts roleplaying aspect as much as retarded DnD class system.
I don't se how "make anything you want" is worse than "pick that race and class, have semi-forced stats and play your roleplaying game as a vidya"

>>4375126
Nobody knows yet, I don't think any of them have specified the character's gender

>>4378351
Pretty sure both Kiara and Gura specified that their characters are girls

>>4378417
Yeah Tiara and Mysterious Dark Lady. Watoto and Yuul are both most likely male.

>>4375126
I'm not sure actually. Did she say something about that?

Yuul and Watoto won't escape schizos lack of meds for Iname https://twitter.com/noedelsgeest/status/1399004246276644869

>>4383233
>took "goblin-like" in description literally
...they should do something faster, this starts to irritate me.

>>4377705
>encourages you to choose stereotypes
Only if your not creative or unoriginal

>>4373734
Nice

>>4385012
>Only if
Always. It says right there "muh elves are slick so they get agil bonus and dwarfs sturdy so they have const or some shit". There's some grudge that most of players in d&d pick "human fighter", but motherfucking game literally enforces you to pick a default human if you want anything unique in your actual roleplaying backstory or character, because custom races come with predefined stats/skills bonuses. On top of that "classes" which you must pick are, officially require from your backstory a lot for themselves, like "a monk characters supposed to come from some shaolinshit monastery" or "druids must be in squares or something", classes basically are your backstory and to play them fully as you want you first need to tell official setting to fuck off. But moreover its literally vidya gameplay mechanics make it worse, because for not to suck in combat you NEED to minmax, you NEED to go by builds, because that's how the game works, because if you pick a half-orc for your mage instead of a gnome - he will be weaker, because if you want to play some sorcerer in melee - he will suck since of a fucking d6 die.
So if you really want to roleplay in your game, just pick a one that's actually good with it, instead of TTvidya

Are there any good TTRP campaigns on youtube to watch while we wait? Excluding Critical Role, I can't stand half the people there.

I don't see why human only would hinder roleplay, a lot of media and real life are human centric and they're fine.

>>4386458
>for not to suck in combat you NEED to minmax, you NEED to go by builds
so you need to learn how to play the game in order to win, what's wrong with that?

>>4386938
if your idea of enjoying tabletop is winning combat encounters with a a party of optimal builds and a shallow characters then i'm glad I don't play at your table

>>4383233
GOBLIN LIKE DOES NOT MEAN A LITERAL GOBLIN CHRIST HOW IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND

>>4387029
I never played tabletop actually, but playing Wizardry with friends sounds fun.

Ina is probably going to draw their characters after the story progressing a bit, canonicalizing what they look like.

>>4387498
She said she's going to do it before the game starts, and also there'd be an intro video uploaded to each channel over the next month which should solidify everything,

>>4387498
She will do it before the first real game, probably.
Also, the designs might even be released sooner than expected, Ina doesn't really need more than a made-in-paint doodle to make a good design https://youtu.be/i_MZOV4hHUU?t=60

>>4386938
Not the anon you're replying to, nothing stops a player and GM from pushing a more narrative/roleplay focused game using D&D, but the game -by default- doesn't have a lot of rules supporting situations outside of combat, since by all means the focus of the game is fighting one way or another. That's not bad at all, since having a ruleset with an objective is great when GM and players are set on what they want!
The thing is, a GM can also easily adjust encounters so players who aren't focusing on minmaxing don't feel like they're being carried, but like I said if all players are well-set on the game's goal and bring each other together it's totally fine!

>>4386458
They actually changed that in the latest 5e sourcebook. You can now get any combination of stat bonuses on any race. Racial features stay the same.

Ame didn't look all too enthused being there.

Also, for a brilliant artist, Ina's character is so basic and uninspired. I fucking hate "CHAD" fucking chat.

>>4388383
>Ame didn't look all too enthused being there.
You missed the bit in the very beginning when she said that she was sleepy.

>>4388383
>for a brilliant artist, Ina's character is so basic and uninspired
I don't see crazy engineering drivers very often. Besides, let her play whoever she wants to play, anon, there won't be anything interesting without girls having fun.

>>4388383
Chad isn't a even real character and if he actually sees any playtime it will almost certainly be as the tutorial redshirt who eats shit in some horrible fashion

>Kiara puts in so much more detail and flair to her own character.

She's try-harding so much.

>>4389120
She's also the only player who played a TTRPG before

>>4389252
Well, she's also the one that plays the most RPGs. Granted, they are JRPGs, so the experience might not be transferable outside of combat situations. Watson is the one that seems to play more CRPGs, so she might actually do better in any area that doesn't involve fighting.

>>4384197
>>4387090
uh oh

>>4389905
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

the fanartists...

>>4389905
>>4389983
Let's just pretend they were very fond of an idea to draw amegoblin and it has nothing to do with the game...

I'm glad not too much can go wrong with Kiara's concept

>>4390110
That's not even the most improbable idea.

>>4389120
>narrates about her character the most
>it's just herself but more edgy
such a gamer

>>4390156
Rich victorian lady hunting things in her spare time sounds like a cool concept actually.

>>4390156
damn it looks amazing

>>4389905
Fanartchama.. prease... hunter characters are supposed to be human

At this rate people will draw their characters as fantasy creatures just to spite us.

>>4390862
>>4389983
>>4389905
>>4384197
>>4387090
Hypochromic anemia & Stahl's ear deformity
your move?

>>4391031
Once Ina draws the characters we'll be safe... right guys?
>inb4 some autists on twitter sperg about the canon design or some shit

>>4373734
Yuul cannot walk and Gura is blind? Why are they making characters that are so hard to play if it is their first time?

>>4378627
Yuul is a perfectly cromulent female name. I think I heard "watoto" being reffered to as "he" though.

>>4390386
I don't really see that outside of being ESL/gaijin, see her being Physical > Mental > Social

Holy shit the numbers just keep going up.

>people still drawing their characters as fantasy characters

if they haven't gotten the fucking memo by now, will there be a severe backlash when they start the game?

>>4391381
jesas I thought nobody gave a shit about WoD

>>4391381
whens the next stream?

>>4391390
Looks like they don't care much.

>>4391383
I doubt it, WoD has a unique aesthetic in it being gothic modern punk which I think is more popular than fantasy

>>4388383
>Ame didn't look all too enthused being there.
Tail end of a marathon stream, anon.
Honestly not entirely sure why she didn't just dip, guess Calli was just that persuasive.
Do note that she very openly and repeatedly said that it's 100% ok if they want to quit.
So if Ame's actually not down she'll trade places with someone else.

>>4391619
It was Gura that did a marathon stream.
Ame just has an absolute garbage sleep schedule

>>4390814
>Rich victorian lady hunting things in her spare time sounds like a cool concept actually.
Not only does it sound like a cool concept, it is actually supported by *SEVERAL* of the factions.
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Bear_Lodge
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Ashwood_Abbey
For example. Couple others could be vaguely modified to make it work.

>Yuri's Group
I think I know what compact Tiara will be interested in.

>>4391390
>jesas I thought nobody gave a shit about WoD
They will now. I honestly see this as a huge chance for TTRPGs as a whole. Vtubing has a giant-ass crossover with a shitload of other scenes so if we get a bunch of Vtube fans into RPGs it should eventually form a really deep and wide pool of people with a variety of talents and interests that nevertheless align a looooot in terms of personal aesthetics, desires and expectations.
That's something of a persistent issue with a lot of RPGs, in that peoople show up and want to play but are way too heterogenous in terms of interests, causing frictions, conflict and eventual dissolution.
If this momentum continues it could very well signal the beginning of a wholly new and unique breed of tabletop gamer that Gets what his party/GM are all about.

>>4391444
>whens the next stream?
July. We'll see more content before that though.

>>4390156
The rich victorian hunter look really works. Really lends itself to the "weird foreigner" feel her character is supposed to have

>>4377699
They 100% are. No million spells and thousand feats to choose. No hundreds of pages of monster abilities. It's very fast and simple to play.

>>4390990
Whatever, it will only last until first game. Unless they get kidnapped by Fae and turn into actual fantasy creatures.

>>4391390
WoD used to be very popular. It kinda died out due to WW being stupid.

>>4384197
>>4387090
No, fuck you. That little gremlin needs to be a goblin!

>>4392365
It looks more like what would be if each class had its own system. Million spells and thousand feats to choose, but are all scattered between those.

>>4392478
>WoD used to be very popular. It kinda died out due to WW being stupid.
Well that and goths died.
But yes also that.
Used to form a holy (?) triumvirate with Shadowrun and D&D.
Then WW succumbed to utterly horrendous leadership and disintegrated, and their relaunch limped along for a decade or more until they managed to pick up the pieces.

>>4390110
I mean someone already drew goblin ame for her outfit reveal

>>4392365
I only played exalted with a couple lads from from /tg/ but the nice thing is if you know one WW system you know all of them. Less mechanics, more rp

Ame confirmed the Calligula collab next saturday is TTRPG related

>>4396976
wut

>>4396976
Didn't know Ame would be collabing with a roman emperor

>>4397300
>>4397550
Calli + Gura

>>4397550
Calligula still streams, just not on YT anymore.

>>4394738
>Used to form a holy (?) triumvirate with Shadowrun and D&D.
Shadowrun was never even close to the popularity of the other two. WoD (or really VtM) used to be 'the' TRPG at its height. Even overshadowing D&D and making it try to imitate it. Thats why Sigil has factions, for example.
But yeah, WW being stupid killed it over the years and the Zeitgeist simply moved.

>>4391065
Oh she can walk, i just added the wheelchair because i thought it would she would be too lazy to walk, and that she would have an easier time running people over.

>>4398934
I don't particularly hold it against WW that they missread the general downswing in the RPG space as a specific failure of their WoD line. It was a reasonable assumption to make without the benefit of hindsight.

I'm really curious to see what Gura's character ends up being since it's from someone who hasn't had any exposure to tabletop roleplaying.

>>4412116
It's strange they'll go with her first, I think she needs more time and examples.

>>4414799
I can see both lines of reasoning, fixing up her character first makes sense since it's the biggest mess right now.

>>4412116
There are three routs she can take if she is not (yet) good at roleplay.
1) It will be "Gura, but..." a safe option, can be boring, but one cannot really give what's not in him, and some of player personality will always slip in anyway.
2) More or less rip-off of one or more (fictional) character. That's what most anons are counting on i.e. unholy amalgamation of Vergil and Dante. Can be executed well or horribly wrong.
3) She have natural talent for it and will blow Mori and us away. I give her like 16% chances for it.

>>4412116
Gura had a really weird mix of ideas but you could create a coherent character if you wanted. Maybe her actual day job is courier/bike messenger. She has a sideline in doing jobs for a various shady characters since she can easily access locations by pretending to deliver packages. She’s stealthy since she sometimes steals items or information. If she gets in trouble she has a satchel full of stuff disguised as mail. Maybe she really does have a dark magical power since she’s 1/32 demon or something. Blind... well that might need a revision for a first timer. Remember all the holo girls now have almost a year experience being entertaining without a script and are already playing characters to various degrees.

>>4388227
I loved this change, and i hate that half of TRPG internet was like "muh orcs" and "fuck libtards and SJWs taking over our RPGs" without actually bothering to see what the rules changes actually do and what they can mean for gaming groups.

>>4417071


Maybe they're going from least hype to most hype?

Makes sense from a marketing perspective

5 bucks says they're saving Watoto for last

>>4418210
my personal interest towards this characters goes like this
Chad (npc) < Shady lady < Watoto < Yuul < Tiara

But I would prefer them saving Watoto and Shady lady for last just for the sake of giving them time to make sure the character is going to be at least useful for the party in some way and interesting to see the player roleplay as. fucking blind drivers man

>>4418129
I picture her as a runner from Mirrors Edge except that instead of rooftops she couriers stuff through hidden paths and the underground. Well, then there's the banjo but that can also be a hobby

>>4391390
This is the power of hololive

Setting accuracy be damned, just finished the complete ensemble of designs. (Chad is there as the storyteller, so his design is less fantastical.)

>>4420143
Chad also looks the most like his "player". ... Mori makes way too handsome of a man. Like, I'm suddenly insecure about my heterosexuality.

>>4368891
Wait a sec, leftmost is just Ratmode Jin. Mori...

>>4420330
RIP in peace beyblade man

>>4420143
Really overdesigned and generic. The only original thing about it is that Ame's head isn't a goblin head. Do your reps.

>>4420143
Cute supergura

>>4422153
My top spins for this man even in death.

>>4418129
Wait, is her character actually blind? I thought she said she would be figuratively blind and doesn't notice important details.

>>4426215
She was thinking about being blind for a flaw. Mori will probably convince her to drop that idea.

>>4420143
I like the lineart in the backgrounds.

>>4426675
>>4426215
blind and has driving 2 iirc, quite ironic

>>4389905
Holy fuck, someone star shooting these artists please, I just can't...

>>4391163
Yeah, I agree, 2 dots in composure is too high and 1 in manipulation's too low for it

>>4391605
Modern fantasy settings are generally more popular than classic fantasy. Just look at stuff like Fate or To Aru.

>>4396976
Weird to have Gura first.

>>4412116
I bet Cali will let her have a bit of magical powers. It's not really system breaking and normal humans can already pick supernatural merits.

>>4420143
So, is Gura just going to pick Dante or Vergil as her character's name? Or just look up a Greek or Roman name and go with something like Trajan or Hesiod?

>>4440410
But why greek?

>>4418302
>just for the sake of giving them time to make sure the character is going to be at least useful for the party
Fun character > useful to the party.
t. once became de facto party leader without being able to speak common

>>4441014
Because at the level the girls operate at, ancient Greece and Rome are interchangeable.

>>4441082
Have you tried not playing D&D?

>>4440410
I wonder if it will be just G.

>>4387860
D&D doesn’t stop you from narrative play. But it doesn’t help the table with narrative play.

D&D is fine if you want to play a fiddly dice combat game, but if you’re gonna play a narrative game play a game that actually supports the narrative instead of, at best, not getting in the way.

>>4441810
Yes. It's the same skill set either way, and the same type of character works in any game. Making the character fun to interact with is always a better experience than making them useful to the party.

No matter what you're playing, the GM can (and should) tailor the difficulty to the current state of the party, so you're always going to be "useful" if you're a good player. Might as well have fun while you're doing it, instead of just making the GM increase the difficulty to match you.

>>4442162
D&D has its origins in a fairly simple combat oriented system and despite all the subsequent additions and modifications never quite escapes its roots. Reading the first versions that straight up lifted Tolkien are pretty amusing decades later. There were basically no mechanics for anything but combat.

>>4441894
You know, that might actually work.

>>4432426
What kind of supernatural merits can humans get?
It sounded like Calli was alluding to true faith at one point when she was explaining one of the attributes or something, which I only heard about in the odd VTM:B thread.

>>4420143
>>4389983
>>4389905
>all these fucking morons who only know DnD when WoD is literally just our world except all the monsters are real and hiding in plain sight

>>4450907
I'm sorry anon. I really am. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me for what i have done.

>>4450907
People are just too lazy to look into what the setting is, I guess. And Gura was too lazy to figure out her character was supposed to be human.The latter might be fine though, they have time to refine things.

>>4456405
Part demon hunters are a big faction at least and that's kinda what she wants to do. You're not supposed to have those powers as a fresh Hunter but Mori can bend the rules as it's not going to be combat heavy anyways

>>4456517
There's no way to drop a Lucifuge into a fucking level 1 game.
That's a level 3 conspiracy

>>4450740
A lot of different things. Like being a medium, being bound to a cursed item or even having access to magic rituals.

>>4450907
It's a bit more gothic than modern world and crime is way higher but yeah, it's nothing like generic fantasy RPG. It's pretty close to Fate actually.

>>4391390
They don't, they care about the holos.

Tiara really lends herself well to fanart.

>>4465131
It's the most thought out design.
Also the most evocative with the bird motive

>>4465131
s-sugoi

The possibility of the girls fighting a Slasher who is just a Suisei or Haachama expy makes me smile.

>>4466736
>Cannibal killer who is eating humans and monsters alike

>>4466781
Don't give me ideas, anon, my mouse is hovering over the pdf right now.

>>4468029
https://youtu.be/ThIJaPsGBNw

>>4466736
That would be amazing.

>>4466736
>investigating disappearances in a snowy forest
>suddenly Next Color Planet as BGM

Okay, that would be one of the best moments of the year.

>Replays are not novels, but transcripts of RPG sessions, meant to both hold the interest of readers and convey the events that took place. They have proven to be popular, even to those who do not play role-playing games but are fans of fiction (including fantasy fiction). Similar to light novels, many characters and parties in replays have become popular as characters of anime. An example of such a character is the female elf Deedlit in Record of Lodoss War, who was played by science fiction novelist Hiroshi Yamamoto during the RPG sessions.
So this is a thing. Today I learned something new.

>>4468805
It's funny that haachama is not even a good prototype, but literally a full-fledged copy of the already existing character of this malkavian chick in vtmb

>>4465131
As much as i would like the artists to do their reps and realize WoD is a modern setting, i can dig that bloodborne'esque early 1800 style. People say Calli is trying to play pseudo bloodborne with this table after all

>>4470599
>spoiler
That actually makes a lot of sense

>>4418178
It is retarded that an orc and a gnome can have the same strength stat though.

>>4469571
yea it's pretty popular in japan

>>4473048
Why? If it's a wimpy orc and a bodybuilding gnome seems perfectly reasonable. Of course you have to enforce it with roleplaying

>>4473048
But people have been doing that for ages. Orcs have a +2 but you regularly have humans who can armwrestle an orc and put them in a pretzel as PCs even from character creation. It's nothing new

>>4470599
Tiara's just a really dedicated 1800s era cosplayer who dresses up like that after she finds out she has Bavarian noble heritage or something

gura is gonna change her character, she understood that she is a normal human, child flaw is in the table

>>4390156
>>4420143
>>4465131
It's a shame that the perfect concept art of Tiara already exist.

>>4389120
boobies

>>4420143
Based

>>4485356
Someone should tell her that her totally-not-Vergil character can work if she works on it with Calli. Rule of cool is first rule after all.
Oh and to switch merit to the one that acutally is the Devil Trigger.

>>4489490
hopefully mori will tell her as much when they start discussing her character.

>>4485356
That and she realized she was being silly for trying to think it was a fantasy dnd setting despite Mori saying otherwise multiple times. Looks like she's on the right track with things now.

>>4490330
To be fair, I think she was coming off a 10 hour stream. I'm sort of surprised she was even coherent.

>>4489490
I hope she won't decide to do it from the start even if Mori will allow it. That's not very interesting.

>>4490330
I knew that was the case. Dumb shark.

>>4490954
She had some sleep I believe.

>>4492678
She was still high off motivation.

>>4420143
This is amazing

>>4466736
>the party faces meets a powerful mage

>>4466736
There's so much potential shitpost potential.

>>4373275
>holo ttrpg thread
>already a general
I thought /tg/ refugees hated generals?

>>4494593
They are the lesser part of this general I guess.

>>4460032
It’s easy now that I had time to read the backstory. Lucifuge always has 666 active members at a time because they’re edgy. When one dies, another is recruited/inducted. Gura’s character is simply one who hasnt been recruited yet. Maybe she’ll have a mysterious agent shadowing her all the time. Maybe if the campaign develops she’ll be recruited. Anyway, just dont let her current character access castigations and other Lucifuge goodies and give her a merit that represents her demon blood. Done.

https://twitter.com/tempura_person/status/1399973017103470595

>>4495804
Ina MUST see this.

>>4496274
It's pretty great, even if it doesn't really fir the grittyness of WoD

>>4496328
It could be fun if yuul try to make one in game and end with a promethean

So next game doko?

I fully expect Ame and Gura to ruin this. They are simply too low IQ for TTRPG. If they can't finish a decent RPG video game no way in hell they can play this without going full retard or falling asleep.

>>4502348
I mean, Gura was falling asleep during the first stream.

>>4502242
Well there were theories teh Gura Mor icollab this week would be for the TTRPG but Mori just released her schedule and apparently it's River City Girls.
They are going to be doing one on one sessions though the month but no news on schedule.

>>4465131
Finished piece

>>4505679
Cute pirate

>>4505796
>pirate

>>4502857
>Mori just released her schedule
Where?

>>4494593
But /tg/ is 90% generals

>>4508522
Members post, was posted to /hlgg/

>>4502857
River City Girls is 6.4 and "Calli collab" is 6.5. Or is it timezones?

>>4470599
Tiara being some ubersnob living up an extremely outdated "lady adventurer" stereotype out of nothing but idle rich boredom is World of Darkness as fuck.
Just let her degen it up and she'd be the Ashwood Abbey poster girl.

>>4473048
A literal Tiny-sized pixie can become stronger than anyone can naturally become if it puts on a belt of giant strenght. Stats don't mean shit, but among the stats that don't mean shit, Strenght is the one that means the least shit.

>>4391745
While there's no way Kiara would go for Ashwood "Rape vampires to death for the lulz" Abbey, it is a funny concept.

>>4450907
They heard "goblin-like conspiracy theorist" and "dark modern fantasy TTRPG" and went "...goblin....fantasy TTRPG...? Dungeons and dragons?"

>>4512652
You will play Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition.
You will purchase all new digital books.
You will subscribe to D&D Beyond.
You will support trans rights and Black Lives Matter.

>hurr my oshi streams more than your oishi! Kiara best girl hurr
Nobody cares KFP schizos. She was still last to reach 1M which means she is the least liked person in EN. She is seething about this so hard you can hear it in her voice. What a failure. Imagine simping for Kiara
Here let me redpill you about your Oshi you retards:

She gets random schizo attacks out of nowhwere because she is mentally ill:

https://streamable.com/jc7jd9
https://streamable.com/jc7jd9
https://streamable.com/jc7jd9

The reason for that is because she got raped as a kid. Here is proof / her confession:

https://streamable.com/ig8oay
https://streamable.com/ig8oay
https://streamable.com/ig8oay

For EOP retards: She tells her fans that she is in fact not pure. She tells them she got raped. She is defiled. Forever tainted. She is filthy and retarded and mentally ill.You KFP schizos simp for failure like her absolute top kek

Since then she has a rape, humiliation and exhibitionist fetish. See here:

https://streamable.com/45zujc
https://streamable.com/45zujc
https://streamable.com/45zujc

Kiara WITH NO MAKE UP EXPOSED - Check 7:50 she intentionally fucks up her eyes

https://streamable.com/wblcnl
https://streamable.com/wblcnl
https://streamable.com/wblcnl

THIS is your Oshi. Abused, retarded, mentally ill girl with no future. Cope and seethe you stupid fucks. Spam your egg memes all you want it won't save her
I'm in the process of making a documentary about her past life and her failures. So you have something to look forward too.
Auf Wiedersehen!!!

>>4517460
Enjoy your vacation, schizo doxfag san

Did doxxchama just post his shit in an unrelated thread? Is he spamming the board or why isn't he in a kiara thread? Sounds kinda stupid to post doxx in an almost dead thread that is only barely about her.

>>4510825
It's timezones.

>>4391381
>>4391390
They saw the clip of Kiara "feeding" Ina and Gura and wanted to see more.
I'm already oddly drawn to established youtubers playing ttrpgs, so I was totally into it though.

>>4517629
He's been posting in all the threads, honestly I'm not sure why the mods haven;t added his posts to the filter yet, he posts the exact same shit all the time.

>>4526097
Damn.

>>4450740
I wrote entirely too much. Will answer other questions or clarify anything below.

>What kind of supernatural merits can humans get?
Pretty much anything you could think of, although 2e has a better selection of them because it makes them their own category alongside Physical, Mental, and Social Merits where as 1e attaches them to other things.

1e stuff is basically limited to what are called "Lesser Templates", things like Vampires and Werewolves are Major Templates while things like Dhampir, Ghouls, Psychics, or Witches are Lesser Templates. Major Templates and Lesser Templates don't mix, but Hunters are a bit of a special case. They get their own core book but they're just mortals and can become a Lesser Template if they wish. I don't really expect any of it to come into play really though, outside of maybe the odd Merit or two.

As a brief explanation of some of the more generic types. Psychics get access to groups of Merits based around ESP, Mediumism, Pschokinesis, and Telepathy. They all do about what you'd expect. Thaumaturges get a big pool of merits but Thaumaturges themselves are split into "Traditions" and each of those get unique perks but only a selection of the Merits. Hedge Witches can do stuff like curse people, luck spirits, see auras, or scry, while Shamans get internal alchemy, psychic projection, or sacrifices. Both get to control weather, heal, or dream-walk though. Lots of over lap between them. Finally Witches get Gutter Magic of varying flavours. Each type of magic is a theme with 5 spells in it (Like a Vampire Discipline), there are three tiers of themes, and as they get access to a few more themes. Low tier stuff is like Fortune or Hearth, high tier stuff is like Space or Time.

If you want to see more details you can check out all the 1e and 2e lesser templates here.
http://wodcodex.com/wiki/Mortals_and_Lesser_Templates

For 2e it's basically just a huge amount of them covering everything you can really imagine, and then a load of lesser templates too. Lists of all that here
http://wodcodex.com/wiki/Merits,_Mortal_(2nd_Edition)

>True Faith
This is an oWoD concept, it's not really doable in nWoD although you can flavour supernatural merits as such. As a refresher, or for those not in the know, True Faith is basically the manifestation of total conviction in a belief. Pretty much any religion can spawn a someone truly devout enough to manifest it. Mostly it focuses around not succumbing to supernatural mind altering effects, warding off vampires, and various minor miracles. It's mechanics differ from game line to game line but that's the general idea.

But the whole cosmology and metaphysics of that doesn't really apply in nWoD, and even less so in CoD/nWoD 2e. There are Hunter Conspiracies with faith based powers though, like the Malleus Maleficarum who have holy rites called Benedictions that grant all sort of boons. That's only similar in flavour, not in effect. There are other religious magics too. The blood rites of Theban Sorcery and Crúac from Vampire, pretty much everything a Mummy does, Werewolves often have a religious bent to them, and so on. The major difference is really that True Faith isn't ascribed to a single religion or practice, it's universal among all of them. The religious practices of nWoD are, for the most part, just for singular religions.

>>4494750
>Lucifuge always has 666 active members at a time because they’re edgy
It's not because Lucifuge is edgey, but White Wolf. It's not a thing they actively try to do it's just how it works. If someone is recruited then someone dies, and vice versa. It's mystical self-balancing.

>>4532536
>True Faith is basically the manifestation of total conviction in a belief.
I don't know why my first thought was a Qboomer repelling vampires by waving his Trump-headed dildo at them. Fucking /pol/ is rotting my brain.

>>4534984
a fervent believer in capitalism can repel vampires with a credit card so you're not far off.

>>4536282
That hasn't been the case since 1st edition. Every subsequent edition only has examples for faith in the divine

>>4537143
to be fair do you know anyone who believes in capitalism that fervently?

>>4537456
Qboomers

>>4537456
Qboomers

>>4536282
Just to back up what other anon is saying. This is V20's stance on it.
>While many mortals are more or less devoted to a belief in some form of higher being or purpose, only a small number have the burning zeal, the profound conviction that can protect them against creatures like vampires. Note that, while most vampire legends portray the Damned being repelled by crosses and the like, Faith can manifest in any religious form

>>4536282
>>4542144
I don't get why we're talking so much about things that don't exist in nWoD. I guess you could give a vamp a weird bane like that but there are far funnier banes.

>>4542670
Mostly because oWoD lore is actually interesting and gets ported all the time to nWoD games so people sometimes forget that it isn't a native part of the nWoD setting.

>>4391064
>inb4 someone else does something I'm doing right now
The irony

>>4542144
To compare v5 keeps the same line of reasoning only giving religious examples.

>>4542727
I don't fucking get people who say that oWoD's lore is more interesting. It has a lot sure but 90% of it makes the actions of playable characters largely irrelevant and nWoD has plenty of fascinating shit.

I could read about the ecology of the Shadow forever, ditto for the God-Machine's Infrastructure, the Abyss, the idigam, the Dead Dominions, so on.
For one example, there's a Dead Dominion in the Underworld where it's basically endless mecha fights/Battle Bots except with soulsteel and ghosts formed into killer robots.

>>4542983
Mostly because there is such a thing as oWoD lore, sure 98% of it is irrelevant for a given chronicle and you're free to drop or change whatever you don't like but it enables players and storytellers to have a baseline setting with which to start.
Meanwhile nWoD/CofD suffers heavily from the toolbox approach that does not establish an overarching setting.
Now obviously the oWoD approach can be a problem if you run into grognards that don't understand what GM fiat is and insist on the books being 100% true in all games but you don't want to play with those in the first place.
And that's not even getting into the fact that a lot of WoD material is specifically written "in-character" similar to wh40k

>>4543145
>that does not establish an overarching setting
Guess the entire books dedicated to things like the Astral Realms and the Shadow don't exist then?
Even the 1E cores go into quite some detail, main exception being Hunter and it still tells you a lot about Hunters, just not the supernatural because Hunters by and large don't know shit.
How much have you actually read?

>>4542670
VtR2e has a super fun system for banes. Doesn't sound like you're familiar so I'll explain it. If you are, well I'm sure someone else might care a tiny bit.

Basically, when you lose dot of Humanity you can opt to take a Bane (This is in addition to Clan Banes). When you do so you gain a Beat, which is 1/5 of an XP but XP costs don't scale in CofD so that is worthwhile, you also become unable to lose Humanity to the specific Breaking Point again, but each Bane you have imposes a -1 penalty on every following Breaking Point. So if you lose a point of Humanity to something like impassioned killing you can take a Bane and then be free to do all the impassioned killing you like but all other transgressions are harder to resist losing Humanity to. It's a very fun system. You can only have 3 of these Banes total too, so it's not a way to just totally ignore all Breaking Points.

Banes all tend to function based off of the inverse of your Humanity score (10 - Humanity) so the less Humanity you have the worse they effect you. I think that's a pretty genius bit of design for VtR2e as Humanity is about how human you are, vs the moral strictures of oWoD, so the more monstrous you become the more your weaknesses hurt you. Just like with sunlight. Additionally lots of them tend to draw from all sorts of vampire myths, which is a really nice bit of flavour and in-universe justification for those myths. So obviously holy symbols is one of these Banes. This is how that one works.
>Symbols of faith and devotion weaken your character. When touched by such a symbol, or when acting against someone brandishing such a symbol, his dice pools are limited by his Humanity dots.
This one isn't inverse but still gets worse as your Humanity drops. So if you have 3 Humanity and someone brandishes a symbol of faith at you your dice pool can only ever be 3. Which in most cases would be a massive drop.

The full list of them is; Bells, Blood of the Unwilling, Crossroads, Face of Hunger, Grave Soil, Hated by Beasts, Holy Day, Invitation, Open Wounds, Plauge of Purity, Rat King/Queen, Repulsion, Symbols, and Webs. Happy to explain them.


>>4542727
I was only talking about it because someone mentioned True Faith, and even then not because they know oWoD it was just something they heard about for Bloodlines. The oWoD setting is infinitely less fun than CofD's is. I'd much rather be talking about all of that. CofD is chock full of interesting setting stuff, like every single splat has loads of fun ideas going on. I've no idea how you could really think it isn't interesting to be honest. I get liking one more than the other but to fully dismiss either is kind of nuts IMO.


>>4542963
Ah, I was pretty sure V5 didn't have a True Faith write up so I didn't go and look. Thanks.

>>4494750
>>4533449
What the second guy said is true, it's for mystical reasons that said the Lucifuge still aren't exactly nice.
From the book
>Thereare 666 agents of the Lucifuge, no more, no less. One dies, another joins. One joins, an agent dies.

And two of the sample backgrounds for a Lucifuge hunter depict them torturing and brainwashing the new member and potential recruits are given the choice to either join and get a bullet in the head.
There's reasons for that as otherwise well, someone with literally demonic powers is very likely to abuse them, enough that the Lucifuge prefer to not take chances.

>>4543527
I was actually bringing up that system of banes when I said "funnier", poster specifically said credit cards which would be a stretch to fall under Symbols, like even billionaires don't quite worship capitalism.

>>4544070
Oh, my bad. I assumed the first Anon you replied to was the one I was backing up. Didn't think to check, so I thought you were talking about Clan/Bloodline Banes.

>>4476165
What do gnomes max out at height/weight wise? No way even a bodybullidling gnome would be comparable to orc strength ever.

>>4544967
Str as a stat isn't just "how much can you lift", and lift weights are modified by size. A lower Str medium creature can move more weight than a small creature with higher Str.

>>4545208
That's stupid. If the stat is relative than having it measured by a score with a consistent bonus is meaningless. While I get that the stat bonuses can be restrictive to character creation, there should be some ground rules and the stat bonuses were good for that.

>>4545551
All stats are relative to something. Like I said though, more to it than just lift weight. It's as much about prowess, training, and your ability to exert yourself effectively as it is pure output. Stat arrays being divorced from races don't remove all the "ground rules" either. Races are more than just stats.

>>4545551
I don't understand the complaint. It's not like you couldn't have an orc with lower strength than a gnome even with consistent bonuses, it was just less likely (and less effcient, as a player). I guess bonuses set a baseline but like, PCs are always exceptional, why not there too?

>>4532536
>and even less so in CoD/nWoD 2e
Which isn't really relevant because we're getting HtV 2e around 2023 at this pace.
Last update was in February and the only update was "Update in two months! :)"
Unfortunately the company making it is filled by the same sorts of people whose only sense of joy is trying to control what fanart people draw of Gura by endlessly shitposting the tags.

>>4547013
It's plenty relevant. More games exist than just Hunter.

>>4546052
Orcs at their smallest are the size of high school linebackers. Gnomes at their largest are the size of ten year olds. Without magic bullshit, even an exceptional gnome shouldn't be stronger than an orc unless the orc is crippled just by the nature of how physics and biology works even with hand wave fantasy nonsense. It's an extreme example but its kinda retarded if the system doesn't account for that.

>>4547149
And lift weights are modified by size. Everything else Str is doing isn't relevant to the size of the creature.

>>4547149
I mean sure, but divorcing stats from race at worst exacerbates that problem, it didn't create it. It's not like gnomes had an upper limit on strength or anything, they just lacked a bonus. If anything this is more of a problem with stats as an abstraction in general.

>>4547013
The last update for it, less than a week ago, included art work. Art is really the last bit left for backer copies. IDK why people always have to be such pessimists about stuff. It's obviously coming out.

>>4547554
>IDK why people always have to be such pessimists about stuff.
I'm not pessimist about 'stuff', I'm pessimist about Onyx Path's ability to corral their ADHD-riddled, poly-drug using (one of the writers I used to run a game for regularly abused their sleep drug prescriptions alongside with dissociatives and weed which led to CONSTANT melt-downs, leaking shit from the staff servers onto /tg/ and one instance of stealing upwards of 80 thousand dollars from an RPG translation project to buy a full stable of then-current consoles, a TV, a shitload of drugs and lodgings in a place they couldn't afford), perma-unstable staff into delivering things on time.
Because there is a proven track record of them not being able to.
There was a projected Hunter/Slasher supplement my writing group was assembling several things for because they had an open submissions call 7 years ago that to this day has not manifested.
These people are *awful* at keeping to schedules.

So when are they playing again? There seems to be zero new info.

>>4551478
They said during character creation that the actual game wouldn't start until July (which feels WAY too long, frankly), but I thought the 1-on-1 intro sessions were supposed to start this week so who knows.

>>4551529
No info about them also. WHENNNNRR

>>4548395
Oh you were just snubbed and are bootyblasted. Makes sense now you've explained it.

>>4551529
I feel like the Mori/Gura collab was supposed to be that but they changed it because Gura is so unsure about her character and needs time to change it. The only thing that makes me doubt that is how illogical it would be to start with Gura. Kiara or Ina should be first to give a strong example for the others.

Calendar-wise, if she doesn't start by Wednesday it's going to bleed into July, which might be okay depending on when they schedule their first session.

>>4553374
No, we never submitted it and a lot of it eventually made it into various other games. I'm simply pointing out the timelines involved.

>>4553503
Mori's extended break might have also fucked up setups a bit>>4553503

I really really want to play a WoD campaign with you fuckers. I can't help but feel it'd be a disaster though.

>>4494750
>When one dies, another is recruited/inducted. Gura’s character is simply one who hasnt been recruited yet. Maybe she’ll have a mysterious agent shadowing her all the time. Maybe if the campaign develops she’ll be recruited.
UUUUUOOOOOO~!!! (ToT )
Grooming Gura for the Lucifuge!!!

THE PUBLIC MUST KNOW
https://files.catbox.moe/r7tfzh.mp4

Post #mythtape material.

Yuul Aggressive Driving
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er416Ad3R1g

Bad Watoto:
>>4389983
>>4389905
Good Watoto:
>>4556297

>>4389905
THICC

>>4505679
cute!

So has anyone uploaded any porn to the #mythrape hashtag yet?

>>4470599
I mean resident is technically also a modern setting, but they still manage to work in a posh vampire lady without it feeling jarring.

>>4573741
Really, a series about zombies and bio weapons suddenly throwing in werewolves and vampires isn't out of place?

>>4573741
You could kinda say the same about Metal Gear Solid.

In the end the Gura Calli collab is not the same as the river city girls collab. %%It's fucking cuphead.%%

In the end the Gura Calli collab is not the same as the river city girls collab. It's fucking cuphead.

>>4544070
>depict them torturing and brainwashing the new member and potential recruits are given the choice to either join and get a bullet in the head.
Then it’s PC choice and a future GM hook. Back to the original point. there’s no difficulty with integrating Gura’s Dante-like character concept, even with its shades of Lucifuge

>>4575954
They rescheduled RCG to next week

>>4573790
The werewolves and vampires are bioweapons. RE lore is to just call everything a BOW and be done with it.

>>4384197
>>4387090
desu I could see the goblin ears as a random stylistic choice. As long as they don't actually make him green, he's just a scrawny shifty human with weird pointy ears that nobody acknowledges in universe, like that lawyer from the start of Stone Ocean

>>4576939
Eh, they could, and they might, but I'd prefer if they made it clear he's just goblin-like in the sense of being sketchy, not anything fantastical.

>>4576823
Yeah the same way mgs used nanomachines to explain all the crazy shit that happened in the last few games, it still doesn't mean they aren't out of place.

So, who gonna bite the bullet and ask them today if they talked about RPG (I mean, we all know they didn't but conversation can be started, it's not like they will do anything else in Cuphead than die/have crypto zatsu in Phasmo).

>>4577252
Hopefully they'll just mention it on their own

Well ,no mention of when the sessions are happening but Gura did ask Mori if she could make a child character

>>4588960
>but Gura did ask Mori if she could make a child character
Oh boy, I can hear the "UOHHHH"s from here

>>4590002
Playing a child has a couple of interesting mechanical implications though.

>>4593842
Gura brought up sneaking into small spaces and such. Sounds like she wants to go full sneaky.

>>4588960
Oh, she's THAT player. Let's hope she can stop herself from magical realming

>>4595023
Gura has never played a TTRPG before so she really just has mishmosh of ideas and no plan on what she wants her character to be.

>>4595201
And that's fair, but I don't trust Gura to play a child without at least making some "jokes" that get a little too into her fetishes. I imagine Mori will turn it down regardless though, just in case the character gets, you know, violently murdered.

>>4594828
nWoD has a whole splat book on children, entitled Innocents. It's not super compatible with Hunter, and really functions best as it's own game, but it's neat.

>>4595642
Mori did mention that she played a WoD campaign where everyone was children. I guess it's that splat

>>4595023
Who is THAT player you /tg/ dwellers are alwais talking about

>>4573741
Yeah Lady D was peak WoD.

>>4602412
"That guy" isn't an RPG specific term, but it basically just means an irritating asshole that either doesn't understand, or does care, that their behavior is bothersome to others. That guy is the dude who always hits on other players characters even though they think it's gross. That guy is the dude that gets into argument with the GM when their stupid plans don't turn out amazing. That guy is the chick who constantly cracks jokes during tense moments and pulls everyone out of the game. That guy is the person who plays a totally evil PC and backstabs everyone because "that's what my character would do" ruining the game for others.

>>4603155
>or does care
doesn't care*

>>4602412
That Guy in general is what >>4603155 said, but I specifically meant someone who makes a fetish character in a game that isn't ERP. Mostly joking, although I do stand by the assessment that it would be a fetish thing for her. It'd be worse if they were playing Vampire though. Gura with an excuse to play a 1000-year old loli and even to make it sexual (because it's Vampires, that's always a LITTLE sexual) would be terrifying.

>>4603155
>>4604380
Understood, thanks.

>>4603155
Conversely, "This Guy" is that super-thoughtful player who increases everyone's enjoyment of the game, and whom everyone would be sad to see leave.

A thing to note, for the sake of clarification: making a kid character doesn't automatically tags a player as That Guy, but it sure raises a red flag if you're running a game and a new player to the group comes in with that idea. Of course, if you know the player and that they're not going to push some weird shit into your table, it's fine. Alternatively, considering we're talking about World of Darkness, where characters can die easily and terrible shit -will- happen around them, if the group is mature enough and they discuss things over to make sure everyone is on equal terms about that sort of thing, it's also fine. Communication is key, at the end of the day.

>>4606883
I'm not sure Gura understands how lethal the game can be, she's still thinking in terms of DnD

>>4384197
I keep imaging him as an even paler Gollum. Something like a Falmer from Skyrim but still recognizably human.

>>4620134
I always thought about Wattoto as looking like Nobby Nobbs from Discworld, the guy that wores certificate that says that he is, in fact, human.

>>4620134
I imagined a Quasimodo like motherfucker but way more sleazy

She can even have a little pointy ears, but as pointy as possible for a human, not fucking warcraft elves' head cannons.

>>4626921
Just make her a cosplayer who has fake plastic ears and teeth

Takamori 1 on 1 session confirmed for next Wednesday during her current memberstream

>>4630011
These hunters are very inconspicuous. I'm sure them sneaking into a vampires haven won't be noticed at all.

>>4630011
This one gets Watoto more than the others

>>4630011
mommy gura

>>4635371
Yeah, this one is good, albeit a little fat.

>>4634415
Who needs to blend in when you've got style?

>>4630011
I will breed that gura.

>>4636486
Hunting isn't exactly legal, and most people think the vampire you just fire bombed was a regular dude.

>>4634415
>>4640237
Disguises exist, right?

>>4648484
Disguise requires a skill, and then you're carrying around Tiara who is deliberately made to be as much of a sore thumb as physically possible.

>>4634415
maybe if they're hunting at comic-con

>>4630011
Okay, so watson's character is destined to have bad fanart then.

>>4373734
>>4420143
Awesome art anon